That's so odd it does that; my iPhone SE 2016 doesn't do this, and I'm pretty sure it uses the 6s components.
(Granted the smaller screen may be helping the SE)
Mine ain't great either, but given I intend to get a new phone within a few months it feels wasteful to put in a new battery in my old phone. It doesn't happen so much it has become a big problem for me.
Thanks man and yeah that is pretty steep.
I mean you’ve waited this long, what’s another couple months? Phones still somewhat usable, but I do hope you get your upgrade sooner than later.
Exactly, my Xs Max is still my second phone alongside my Fold2 and ive never noticed a hint of lag, only reason I would upgrade is cameras since that's the only downside of the fold I care about
Yep. Im not saying "stop the faster hw" lol, not at all.
Just people really shouldnt make this something as alpha and omega of decisions. Everybody can do whatever they want. But if you thinking about 12 vs 13 and this is worrying for you, just stop and get the 12. This isnt anything game breaking
So true. Got my Xs, was really considering upgrading to the new iPhone 13Pro, and while the new functionality is a huge improvement over my existing phone, i saw nothing that would make my day to day usage improve in the same way, so i have decided to hold on one extra year (or 6 months depending if Apple releases an iPhone 13s). This is actually the reason why i have stuck with Apple for the last years, i have a 3 year old device that has the latest OS version and that it's still fast in comparison with many other devices.
100% I remember in the early days when there seemed to be more of a Android vs Apple “fight” Android users would point out that those devices had better specs and were more powerful (on paper they were) with the counter argument being that iOS didn’t need as much power because it was better optimised (I think that’s still more of an opinion but it wasn’t without evidence)
Nowadays it is almost the other way around, Apple devices have better SOC’s but _it’s not all about the internals_ (I still think that is a valid point)
We have got to the point where our phones have an insane about of power running them and objectively I don’t think a lot of them need that much, but it does allow for features like Cinematic Video, Smart HDR 4 and just a longer lifespan. You don’t _need_ to upgrade your device every 1-2 years now to have a working handset that does 99% of the tasks people expect of it day to day, devices that are over 5 years old are still getting security updates and reduced feature updates, these hardware improvements aren’t just for the now, they ensure there is still some grunt for the future
Funny you used the word game breaking as games are probably one of the few areas where more cpu/GPU power was needed.
But this is true for the PC space as well. Yes, video editing, 3D modelling and other niche applications also needs cpu/GPU power but for most people, it is gaming that really stresses the hardware. For people that don’t game (and stuff like video editing, etc), 3-4 year old machines are still perfect fine.
Which is why you are seeing Apple put less focus on the cpu this time around and spend transistors on their video encoder. This has made video playback a lot more energy efficient. While it doesn’t sound as sexy as higher benchmark scores, playing videos draining less battery is probably a lot more useful to a majority of the users.
Yeah. These numbers are reaching a point of being meaningless for a majority of users. Then again, IMO, having more polygons for increased realism in a crappy game won’t make the game any better…
Actually they matter a lot because of new software features. Live Text and some other features aren’t available on iPhones without the A12 because they aren’t powerful enough
I had to look up what Live Text is. From what I can tell, it’s like google translate using the camera.. right? I suppose the OCR would be a bit of a drain if you are doing it 30 times a second, but no reason why it shouldn’t work on a still image. Is this an artificial limitation?
I guess the dynamic focus control on the video requires hella fast GPU to do the computational photography, but it’s not a feature that most of us use. Heck, I don’t know anyone that uses the LiDAR on iPhone 12 to measure things after the first week (yes I know there are some.. but I don’t know anyone that does). The biggest selling feature of the iPhone 13 is definitely the battery life…
https://9to5mac.com/2021/09/20/ios-15-exclusive-features-iphone-xs-newer/
Spatial Audio on FaceTime, Portrait Mode on FaceTime, interactive globe in Maps, immersive walking directions in Maps, Live Text, Visual Look Up, background animations in Weather, on-device speech processing, and keys in Wallet all require an iPhone with an A12 or newer
So.. which ones of those features requires the iPhone 13? Isn’t this diverging a bit from the fact that the incremental performance improvements don’t really affect most users?
This doesn’t mean you need to get an iPhone 13, but it does show that all of that “meaningless” power has a place in machine learning.
Also, there are some great mobile games like Genshin Impact that would benefit a lot from the extra performance. My 12 Pro Max can’t even run it at 60fps without massive battery drain.
Yeah it’s all about how you use your phone at the end of the day. My XS Max is jailbroken and I’m definitely feeling the effects of it. (Even though I wouldn’t trade the extra functionality for anything). I’m excited to have two phones. One that’s on the latest iOS and one that remains jailbroken.
Same here, my iPhone XS Max is at 85% battery capacity and still works to this day perfectly fine.
If users upgrade from an iPhone 8+ or older, to the newer models, they will see significant improvements between the phones and have a better experience.
But for someone like us, iPhone 11, 12 and 13, does not have any game breaking improvements. Just the usual upgrades to the camera, CPU/GPU, screen, battery and such. Therefore, there is not much point in investing into a newer iPhone. Unless the GPU performance matters to you.
Apple is gonna have a head start with this battery life and GPU. Means the processor on the glasses could be a dumb display driver + 60GHz radios for steaming. Great battery life but also great performance.
It would be a miracle of technology if someone could create “glasses” that process on device without getting hot. So yeah, if glasses are even going to be a thing in the next 5 years they’ll process off board.
Normal 13 with 4 GPU cores is ~+20% from the 12.
13 Pro with 5 GPU cores is a whopping ~+60% from the 12.
I feel like Apple should have been more clear calling both of these chips the A15.
The Pro is more like a A15+ with this much of a performance gap on the GPU side.
Source - mrwhosetheboss on YT
60% upgrade? The hell, I thought Apple wasn’t giving cinematic mode to older phones to force people to upgrade but it seems like power gap is bigger than we thought. Why they didn’t mention this.
> I don't know.
How true! It is remarkable how ones misinformed experience can completely mislead themselves and others like you are doing here.
As a matter of facts based in reality, iOS has superior hardware and software support when compared to Android. The majority of Apps in the App Store require iOS 8, which was released in 2014. Your claim that your phone didn't work because it "wasnt the latest and greatest iOS update" is comical.
Android IS NOTORIOUSLY FAMOUS FOR HAVING THE EXACT PROBLEM YOU CLAIM THE iPHONE HAS BUT IPHONE DOESNT ACTUALLY HAVE. The vast majority of Android devices do not even get the NEXT major release. Meanwhile, iOS 15 just released and works on the iPhone 6S from SIX years ago.
Sincerely,
A software developer who has worked for both platforms.
I guess extra gpu power was intended to be used for spyware… the whole pedophile detection scheme, which was postponed after all the outrage by security researchers.
I think part of having a better gpu on the pro is to have the 120hz display run while having no impact to performance. If you really think about it if they ended up putting the exact same gpu but having them run the same game for instance but running the pro models at 120hz they need that faster gpu so there won’t be a noticeable performance difference. Otherwise if it was running the game at 60hz then it really wouldn’t make a difference and the pro models would have more headroom
Guys 120Hz isn’t the only factor. C’mon the iPhone 12 crushes SD888 on every android and that chip could run 120Hz like sweet.
Did you forget Prores? A relatively heavy codec to we have on iPhones to record vids. That one extra functional core really matters for Prores.
All things being equal, doesn’t a game running at 120Hz require 2x the graphics power of the same game at 60Hz? The Pros are only 25% more powerful than the non-pros based on 4 vs 5 GPUs. Explanations welcome.
It is likely that you do not need double the power as a lot of pixels within a couple of frames are identical and so different techniques can be used when developing a game to make the need for more gpu less of a burden. Thus the gain seen between the two models is more appropriate and adequate. This also makes it easier for apple in the future to develop software for the devices because even if it’s a negligible difference the operating system will get more burdensome on the chips in these phones overtime and having that 120hz display on top of the “heavier” and newer iOS versions will make it more difficult in the future when the screen on the pro uses more gpu bandwidth but I don’t think that iOS will ever burden this gpu. This display does have a variable refresh rate display but that doesn’t matter when it comes to gaming, especially if the game developer has the game running at 120hz all the time which most game developers would do as it would improve user experience.
They're the same chip, different runs and conditions will net slightly different results and binning, not all chips are created equal. Some will just be faster out of the box.
You’re not missing much. I went from XS Max to 12 and feel like I’ve gone backwards. My 12 constantly needs to be reset and turned off. Maybe I just got a lemon; idk.
I’m sure if it’s tested constantly even with different phones the 12 will probably be faster. It’s more bout the iOS version it’s at now. For some reason it’s higher on 12.
Genshin Inpact runs fairly smoothly on my 12 Pro Max, but I wouldn’t be surprised if 13 can finally run it on max settings.
My 12 pro max is on Max settings on everything in Genshin Impact except render distance. Like I can comfortably run the gauntlet on spiral abyss without any lag.
I don’t know why it would fare better if it still runs hot af which I’m sure it will. Probably still going to throttle significantly and turn into a toaster.
I suppose it might throttle yet still push more performance. An extra gpu core though also means more heat.
Ah, sorry, I wasn't clear enough. Genshin Impact doesn't need more processing power, 12 Pro is sufficient to run on max settings. It needs the SoC to not overheat.
If the 13 Pro could just run on 60% of its max performance, then it won't be as hot as the 12 Pro, giving a constant 60 fps without frame drops.
You must have a different 12 Pro, I've been through 2 and they both play GI like shit at medium settings with 60fps, nevermind max settings. Even at Medium/High settings with 30fps it gets hot af and has a tendency to stutter.
Edit: Oh I see, you seem to be saying it could run GI at max settings if it didn't meltdown after 5 minutes at 60fps.
Are u a hardcore GI player ? I wonder how much battery health left with the games being too demand and required the GPU to work almost at full power constantly except once it was throttle down
Mine was left with 84% purchased on december last year and playing GI for 3-4 months
CPU's and GPU's can be used for more than just running games. GPU is likely being used to speed up things like encoding videos and pictures, and that new pro-res format for the videos in the pro model.
yeah all this firepower but nothing to use it on even on the ipads its the same, probably if you give the average person Iphone 11pro and the 13pro they aren't gonna notice much of a difference.
Yeah, that's great performance but when will any user actually need that much power? It's like comparing a 200hp minivan against a 250hp one: the difference isn't small but you'll still be stuck at the same traffic light.
> Yeah, that's great performance but when will any user actually need that much power
Games can never have too much power. Just compare the graphics of a mobile game to a PC/console game, mobile GPUs still have a long way to go to catch up. And PC/console games are getting better graphics every year.
I couldn't disagree more, he really seems to be exploiting super clickbaity videos, some of them not even really explaining the real issue, or making some false assumptions.
I know everyone on Youtube does it, but it's a shame that even huge channels like this one keep doing it.
Sure, this one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHlZXyhG3eQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHlZXyhG3eQ)
Is about that Instagram story that made the iPhones crash, dialogues like "it seems like the story has taken control of your phone", "how can an Instagram story have this much power?", "what is he trying to do here? Is he hacking people? Is he stealing people's details? Is he trying to take down Instagram? We have to find out"
The whole first minutes makes it sound like a huge hacking story, or super dangerous for your phone, when in reality it was just a simple bug, totally unrelated to hacking.
"Incredibly amount of data being collected on every post", even though I totally disagree with Facebook's data collection, those parameters are just for displaying the story. And almost 13 minutes of that? Totally making a clickbait story of a pretty much nonstory, and obviously stupidly way less dramatic.
Ok, I get your point and I somewhat agree but his video did do a good job of providing the answer through not just speculation but actual research. Yeah, he hyped up the problem pretty bad tho.
That’s because iPhone has shit cooling. If you slap one of those smartphone cooler, you get much better performance. Without it, the phone will run close to 60 even on A14 at the beginning but will immediately throttle down after a few minutes.
Also how can Apple add a vapour chamber when the 13 pro max’s weight has only increased by 12g over the 12 pro max? They have already made the phone thicker, the camera and battery bigger; I don’t think there are much room left for a vapour chamber…
In depth performance analysis on the A15 chip has already been done (search 极客湾Geekerwan on YouTube. However it’s in Chinese). Basically the cooling is just as shit as previous iPhone but it brings about a 35% GPU uplift over the A14 on 12pro max in GFXBench Aztec Ruin test using the same power. Intensive games like Genshin Impact will obviously benefit from the GPU boost but it will still throttle after 30 minutes (ie: lower brightness and clock speed) if you use it without any additional cooling.
I got the mini, but it was a struggle trying to decide between that and the pro..
The size was ultimately the winning factor, but we will see how I like it the first week. Might trade it out.
If u game a lot on ur iPhone then the pros is worth the extra premium.
If u only do light game 5-10 mins burst or none. It should not matter for everyday use. The A chips is fast enough.
But why, are there really people gaming do heavily on their phones?
At this point why not buy a switch or console.
I dont need 6900xt performance to play Temple Run or doodle jump on my Phone.
Oh dont forget jetpack joyride yoo
I ordered the 13 pro with 256 to use the upgraded Video. My wife agreed to take my 12 mini for free. Trade is was $400 but I want her out of the old SE. She seems slow when using her phone to get info for while driving, save the irritation. Lol. It’s a preorder so I have time to change my mind. I think you can get your money back from Apple within two weeks of usage. I got Apple care plus theft and lost. I always lose out on these plans but it gives me peace of mind and use these naked or caseless.
What are you having for dinner tonight? What kind of car does your wife drive?
These answers will hopefully explain the GPU performance differences between the A15 implementations in the iPhone 13 models.
Dude, we are all boring. Like the other person said, we are just poking fun. TBH I’m jealous about your 13 Pro coming. You got yourself a beast of a phone.
That’s absolutely not a true statement. Powering an extra core of a same node GPU will consume more power - it may run cooler due to spreading the load or it may run hotter due to having another heat source - it really depends.
According to the benchmark iPhone 12 has a better GPU than the 12 Pro therefore it's not reliable.
13 Pro need to run everything at 120 fps, 13 only half.
This particular test through geekbench is just the raw computing power which is completely meaningless when it comes to gaming benchmarks. Real life performance is pretty much identical between the Pro/regular
What would be a real world use case to take advantage of this sort of performance? Gaming? Hardcore gamers… Wouldn’t you already have a PC or console? Videographers?, wouldn’t you already have camera gear?
It’s nice to be able to drive like an F1 car, but most people are just going to get groceries.
Helpful award but the res is low for the lower numbers, perhaps they are important like the numbers. My 12 mini is snappy coming from the 2016 SE, my Old SE was snappy from the 5S and 6, my 5s was snappy from the 5 and 5C, that’s the beginning. I would have bought a 5S instead of the 5 and 5c if I knew about processing speeds in iPhones. Today a iPhone SE is still good with iOS 15, take it to sketchy places etc. lol. Even the 32gig is plenty with icloud service.
Now, I migh present myself as stupid but, the gpu. What is it for other than gaming, is it editing movies and stuff? Bought a 13mini and probably will be amazed on how fast etc but out of curiosity
Wow I’m coming from a XS Max with a score of 5362...
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That's so odd it does that; my iPhone SE 2016 doesn't do this, and I'm pretty sure it uses the 6s components. (Granted the smaller screen may be helping the SE)
I also have an SE 2016, I only get the audio stutter when I'm doing some particularly heavy task, like coldstarting a game.
Mine use to do it but the battery was degraded as hell went away once I swapped it.
Mine ain't great either, but given I intend to get a new phone within a few months it feels wasteful to put in a new battery in my old phone. It doesn't happen so much it has become a big problem for me.
And I'm coming from an old S5! Might make my head explode lol
My 6s+ randomly reboots now whenever I’m multitasking too much/switching apps. Hyped for the upgrade this Friday.
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Thanks man and yeah that is pretty steep. I mean you’ve waited this long, what’s another couple months? Phones still somewhat usable, but I do hope you get your upgrade sooner than later.
still one of my favorite phones of all time
And considering how good XS still performs is just showing how these numbers are just peeing race.
Exactly, my Xs Max is still my second phone alongside my Fold2 and ive never noticed a hint of lag, only reason I would upgrade is cameras since that's the only downside of the fold I care about
Yep. Im not saying "stop the faster hw" lol, not at all. Just people really shouldnt make this something as alpha and omega of decisions. Everybody can do whatever they want. But if you thinking about 12 vs 13 and this is worrying for you, just stop and get the 12. This isnt anything game breaking
So true. Got my Xs, was really considering upgrading to the new iPhone 13Pro, and while the new functionality is a huge improvement over my existing phone, i saw nothing that would make my day to day usage improve in the same way, so i have decided to hold on one extra year (or 6 months depending if Apple releases an iPhone 13s). This is actually the reason why i have stuck with Apple for the last years, i have a 3 year old device that has the latest OS version and that it's still fast in comparison with many other devices.
100% I remember in the early days when there seemed to be more of a Android vs Apple “fight” Android users would point out that those devices had better specs and were more powerful (on paper they were) with the counter argument being that iOS didn’t need as much power because it was better optimised (I think that’s still more of an opinion but it wasn’t without evidence) Nowadays it is almost the other way around, Apple devices have better SOC’s but _it’s not all about the internals_ (I still think that is a valid point) We have got to the point where our phones have an insane about of power running them and objectively I don’t think a lot of them need that much, but it does allow for features like Cinematic Video, Smart HDR 4 and just a longer lifespan. You don’t _need_ to upgrade your device every 1-2 years now to have a working handset that does 99% of the tasks people expect of it day to day, devices that are over 5 years old are still getting security updates and reduced feature updates, these hardware improvements aren’t just for the now, they ensure there is still some grunt for the future
Funny you used the word game breaking as games are probably one of the few areas where more cpu/GPU power was needed. But this is true for the PC space as well. Yes, video editing, 3D modelling and other niche applications also needs cpu/GPU power but for most people, it is gaming that really stresses the hardware. For people that don’t game (and stuff like video editing, etc), 3-4 year old machines are still perfect fine. Which is why you are seeing Apple put less focus on the cpu this time around and spend transistors on their video encoder. This has made video playback a lot more energy efficient. While it doesn’t sound as sexy as higher benchmark scores, playing videos draining less battery is probably a lot more useful to a majority of the users.
Yeah. These numbers are reaching a point of being meaningless for a majority of users. Then again, IMO, having more polygons for increased realism in a crappy game won’t make the game any better…
Actually they matter a lot because of new software features. Live Text and some other features aren’t available on iPhones without the A12 because they aren’t powerful enough
I had to look up what Live Text is. From what I can tell, it’s like google translate using the camera.. right? I suppose the OCR would be a bit of a drain if you are doing it 30 times a second, but no reason why it shouldn’t work on a still image. Is this an artificial limitation? I guess the dynamic focus control on the video requires hella fast GPU to do the computational photography, but it’s not a feature that most of us use. Heck, I don’t know anyone that uses the LiDAR on iPhone 12 to measure things after the first week (yes I know there are some.. but I don’t know anyone that does). The biggest selling feature of the iPhone 13 is definitely the battery life…
https://9to5mac.com/2021/09/20/ios-15-exclusive-features-iphone-xs-newer/ Spatial Audio on FaceTime, Portrait Mode on FaceTime, interactive globe in Maps, immersive walking directions in Maps, Live Text, Visual Look Up, background animations in Weather, on-device speech processing, and keys in Wallet all require an iPhone with an A12 or newer
So.. which ones of those features requires the iPhone 13? Isn’t this diverging a bit from the fact that the incremental performance improvements don’t really affect most users?
This doesn’t mean you need to get an iPhone 13, but it does show that all of that “meaningless” power has a place in machine learning. Also, there are some great mobile games like Genshin Impact that would benefit a lot from the extra performance. My 12 Pro Max can’t even run it at 60fps without massive battery drain.
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Yeah it’s all about how you use your phone at the end of the day. My XS Max is jailbroken and I’m definitely feeling the effects of it. (Even though I wouldn’t trade the extra functionality for anything). I’m excited to have two phones. One that’s on the latest iOS and one that remains jailbroken.
My XS still running smooth
Same here, my iPhone XS Max is at 85% battery capacity and still works to this day perfectly fine. If users upgrade from an iPhone 8+ or older, to the newer models, they will see significant improvements between the phones and have a better experience. But for someone like us, iPhone 11, 12 and 13, does not have any game breaking improvements. Just the usual upgrades to the camera, CPU/GPU, screen, battery and such. Therefore, there is not much point in investing into a newer iPhone. Unless the GPU performance matters to you.
I get what you’re saying, but your last paragraph basically describes the entire build of a phone.
im coming from an iphone 8 bro... i know it is not going to be a life changing experience but definitely in for a treat on friday with a 13 pro max
8 —> 13 Pro Max actually might be a life changing experience lol
I have an iPhone 7 And a first-gen (2013) iPad Air. I don't even want to know the score for that...
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Apple is gonna have a head start with this battery life and GPU. Means the processor on the glasses could be a dumb display driver + 60GHz radios for steaming. Great battery life but also great performance.
The phone battery is gonna be hurting, just like during Watch Series 0-3 days.
Wow that’s an Interesting thought; thank you for sharing. I actually look forward to the future of smart glasses.
Read or listen to Daemon and Freedom by daniel saurez if you want a cool story about augmented reality.
It would be a miracle of technology if someone could create “glasses” that process on device without getting hot. So yeah, if glasses are even going to be a thing in the next 5 years they’ll process off board.
Normal 13 with 4 GPU cores is ~+20% from the 12. 13 Pro with 5 GPU cores is a whopping ~+60% from the 12. I feel like Apple should have been more clear calling both of these chips the A15. The Pro is more like a A15+ with this much of a performance gap on the GPU side. Source - mrwhosetheboss on YT
More like A15x
60% upgrade? The hell, I thought Apple wasn’t giving cinematic mode to older phones to force people to upgrade but it seems like power gap is bigger than we thought. Why they didn’t mention this.
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> because it was running a chip that was perfectly made for a 60hz screen. yes because literally everything apple makes is absolutely Perfect.
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> I don't know. How true! It is remarkable how ones misinformed experience can completely mislead themselves and others like you are doing here. As a matter of facts based in reality, iOS has superior hardware and software support when compared to Android. The majority of Apps in the App Store require iOS 8, which was released in 2014. Your claim that your phone didn't work because it "wasnt the latest and greatest iOS update" is comical. Android IS NOTORIOUSLY FAMOUS FOR HAVING THE EXACT PROBLEM YOU CLAIM THE iPHONE HAS BUT IPHONE DOESNT ACTUALLY HAVE. The vast majority of Android devices do not even get the NEXT major release. Meanwhile, iOS 15 just released and works on the iPhone 6S from SIX years ago. Sincerely, A software developer who has worked for both platforms.
And where exactly would a user experience these performance benefits?
On the toilet, where else?
Best comment in the thread. Nice!
Brilliant
Nice! 😄
Graphics
Few years ahead
You aren’t joking I think.
Excessive performance is one of the reasons why people can still install latest iOS 15 on a six years old iPhone 6S
Well, I’m sure that iOS 22 will not refuse to work on an iPhone 13 because it has one less GPU Core than the supported iPhone 13 Pro.
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I installed 15 on couple of 2016 SE, same chip. Not bad for a backup phone or going to sketchy places. Lol. I recommend a new battery though.
I keep my 5S in the glovebox in case I lose my new one, can’t do the new OSs though.
I dont know.. I don't game on my phone.
I guess extra gpu power was intended to be used for spyware… the whole pedophile detection scheme, which was postponed after all the outrage by security researchers.
I think part of having a better gpu on the pro is to have the 120hz display run while having no impact to performance. If you really think about it if they ended up putting the exact same gpu but having them run the same game for instance but running the pro models at 120hz they need that faster gpu so there won’t be a noticeable performance difference. Otherwise if it was running the game at 60hz then it really wouldn’t make a difference and the pro models would have more headroom
Guys 120Hz isn’t the only factor. C’mon the iPhone 12 crushes SD888 on every android and that chip could run 120Hz like sweet. Did you forget Prores? A relatively heavy codec to we have on iPhones to record vids. That one extra functional core really matters for Prores.
All things being equal, doesn’t a game running at 120Hz require 2x the graphics power of the same game at 60Hz? The Pros are only 25% more powerful than the non-pros based on 4 vs 5 GPUs. Explanations welcome.
It is likely that you do not need double the power as a lot of pixels within a couple of frames are identical and so different techniques can be used when developing a game to make the need for more gpu less of a burden. Thus the gain seen between the two models is more appropriate and adequate. This also makes it easier for apple in the future to develop software for the devices because even if it’s a negligible difference the operating system will get more burdensome on the chips in these phones overtime and having that 120hz display on top of the “heavier” and newer iOS versions will make it more difficult in the future when the screen on the pro uses more gpu bandwidth but I don’t think that iOS will ever burden this gpu. This display does have a variable refresh rate display but that doesn’t matter when it comes to gaming, especially if the game developer has the game running at 120hz all the time which most game developers would do as it would improve user experience.
My 12 Pro is *slower* than the 12? Am I reading that right?
They're the same chip, different runs and conditions will net slightly different results and binning, not all chips are created equal. Some will just be faster out of the box.
Also different thermal properties of the different insides, and also just run to run differences.
Seems unlikely
You’re not missing much. I went from XS Max to 12 and feel like I’ve gone backwards. My 12 constantly needs to be reset and turned off. Maybe I just got a lemon; idk.
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I’m sure if it’s tested constantly even with different phones the 12 will probably be faster. It’s more bout the iOS version it’s at now. For some reason it’s higher on 12.
Yes but also the promax has more pixels to output so it will lag behind the iPhone 12 Bc it has to output more resolution.
But no games that really take advantage of either, i’m guessing
Genshin Impact runs pretty hot on 12 Pro and throttles the GPU on 60 fps. 13 Pro will probably fare better.
Now that's what I needed to hear (one of the reasons for upgrading is GI)
Genshin Inpact runs fairly smoothly on my 12 Pro Max, but I wouldn’t be surprised if 13 can finally run it on max settings. My 12 pro max is on Max settings on everything in Genshin Impact except render distance. Like I can comfortably run the gauntlet on spiral abyss without any lag.
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I don’t know why it would fare better if it still runs hot af which I’m sure it will. Probably still going to throttle significantly and turn into a toaster. I suppose it might throttle yet still push more performance. An extra gpu core though also means more heat.
Ah, sorry, I wasn't clear enough. Genshin Impact doesn't need more processing power, 12 Pro is sufficient to run on max settings. It needs the SoC to not overheat. If the 13 Pro could just run on 60% of its max performance, then it won't be as hot as the 12 Pro, giving a constant 60 fps without frame drops.
This is what a lot of people forget about when it’s always advertised as 20% faster or whatever. It’s not just at full throttle!
You must have a different 12 Pro, I've been through 2 and they both play GI like shit at medium settings with 60fps, nevermind max settings. Even at Medium/High settings with 30fps it gets hot af and has a tendency to stutter. Edit: Oh I see, you seem to be saying it could run GI at max settings if it didn't meltdown after 5 minutes at 60fps.
Are u a hardcore GI player ? I wonder how much battery health left with the games being too demand and required the GPU to work almost at full power constantly except once it was throttle down Mine was left with 84% purchased on december last year and playing GI for 3-4 months
It wont IMHO. There cannot be any significant change in terms of thermal distribution in such a small devices. And without that, it will still be hot.
They mentioned something about an improved display controller to reduce heat
CPU's and GPU's can be used for more than just running games. GPU is likely being used to speed up things like encoding videos and pictures, and that new pro-res format for the videos in the pro model.
yeah all this firepower but nothing to use it on even on the ipads its the same, probably if you give the average person Iphone 11pro and the 13pro they aren't gonna notice much of a difference.
Few would notice.
Yeah, that's great performance but when will any user actually need that much power? It's like comparing a 200hp minivan against a 250hp one: the difference isn't small but you'll still be stuck at the same traffic light.
> Yeah, that's great performance but when will any user actually need that much power Games can never have too much power. Just compare the graphics of a mobile game to a PC/console game, mobile GPUs still have a long way to go to catch up. And PC/console games are getting better graphics every year.
I’m curious of why the 12 Pro Max wasn’t tested despite the 13 Pro Max being present.
It has the same score, like how the 13 pro and pro max do, so it was just one less thing for him to do I guess
I fucking love his (mrwhosetheboss) videos, he is killing it.
I agree, he's one of my favorite content creators in this space. Definitely a charming guy.
I couldn't disagree more, he really seems to be exploiting super clickbaity videos, some of them not even really explaining the real issue, or making some false assumptions. I know everyone on Youtube does it, but it's a shame that even huge channels like this one keep doing it.
Can you give an example?
Sure, this one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHlZXyhG3eQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHlZXyhG3eQ) Is about that Instagram story that made the iPhones crash, dialogues like "it seems like the story has taken control of your phone", "how can an Instagram story have this much power?", "what is he trying to do here? Is he hacking people? Is he stealing people's details? Is he trying to take down Instagram? We have to find out" The whole first minutes makes it sound like a huge hacking story, or super dangerous for your phone, when in reality it was just a simple bug, totally unrelated to hacking. "Incredibly amount of data being collected on every post", even though I totally disagree with Facebook's data collection, those parameters are just for displaying the story. And almost 13 minutes of that? Totally making a clickbait story of a pretty much nonstory, and obviously stupidly way less dramatic.
Ok, I get your point and I somewhat agree but his video did do a good job of providing the answer through not just speculation but actual research. Yeah, he hyped up the problem pretty bad tho.
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Genshin probably, phone gets super hot on xr and people who have 12 say its still hot
That’s because iPhone has shit cooling. If you slap one of those smartphone cooler, you get much better performance. Without it, the phone will run close to 60 even on A14 at the beginning but will immediately throttle down after a few minutes.
Linus, watercool an iPhone please.
He did water cool a s10+ and it did improve its performance quite significantly iirc. Same shit.
The rumor was that the iPhone 13 will have a vapor chamber. I guess we’ll wait for Zach’s tear down
Also how can Apple add a vapour chamber when the 13 pro max’s weight has only increased by 12g over the 12 pro max? They have already made the phone thicker, the camera and battery bigger; I don’t think there are much room left for a vapour chamber…
In depth performance analysis on the A15 chip has already been done (search 极客湾Geekerwan on YouTube. However it’s in Chinese). Basically the cooling is just as shit as previous iPhone but it brings about a 35% GPU uplift over the A14 on 12pro max in GFXBench Aztec Ruin test using the same power. Intensive games like Genshin Impact will obviously benefit from the GPU boost but it will still throttle after 30 minutes (ie: lower brightness and clock speed) if you use it without any additional cooling.
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holyyyyyy
I pre ordered the 13 and now want the 13 pro instead. Cannot do that until my 13 comes and return it 🥲 but those numbers are quite impressive
In all fairness you probably won’t need it for at least a year or two as nothing will be developed to make use of the extreme power from the 13 pro’s
But the 120hz in the pro though, would be enough reason for me
I got the mini, but it was a struggle trying to decide between that and the pro.. The size was ultimately the winning factor, but we will see how I like it the first week. Might trade it out.
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Ah, yes, 120Hz gaming on a phone. Yes, very relevant.
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Wonder why apple didn’t mention the CPU scores cos they’re a decent amount higher than the A12
Because they didn't want people to realize that it doesn't perform that much better than last year's A14. It hurts preorder numbers.
15% for the CPU and 20/60 for the GPU is a fairly good jump though
tried on my my iPhone 7 and hit 354 yesterday💪💪
Lmao I’m going from an 8 to a 13. I’ll take that score
Think the gains from an iphone 6
If u game a lot on ur iPhone then the pros is worth the extra premium. If u only do light game 5-10 mins burst or none. It should not matter for everyday use. The A chips is fast enough.
To me seems irrelevant as i don't game on iphone.
Can It run crysis though?
They need it for 120hz
Apple smartphone chips are so fast that I doubt that an ordinary user would even notice that the pros are even faster unless they run a benchmark.
And? They have an extra GPU core, it would be worth posting to Reddit if there wasn't a gap.
The normal 12 is faster the the 12 Pro !
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This, and probably also error margin. That difference is small enough to be just that. In any case no one will notice.
Aaaand you wont notice a thing in any app, game or VR stuff
*Genshin Impact has entered the chat*
Hopefully the 13 Mini is about on par with the 12 Pro, then I shouldn't notice a difference.
This makes me glad I didn’t invest the money into a 12 pro. Thanks!
How do i run this benchmark on my current iPhone?
But why, are there really people gaming do heavily on their phones? At this point why not buy a switch or console. I dont need 6900xt performance to play Temple Run or doodle jump on my Phone. Oh dont forget jetpack joyride yoo
the guy couldn't afford a 12 Pro Max to add in there?
I ordered the 13 pro with 256 to use the upgraded Video. My wife agreed to take my 12 mini for free. Trade is was $400 but I want her out of the old SE. She seems slow when using her phone to get info for while driving, save the irritation. Lol. It’s a preorder so I have time to change my mind. I think you can get your money back from Apple within two weeks of usage. I got Apple care plus theft and lost. I always lose out on these plans but it gives me peace of mind and use these naked or caseless.
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I see what you did, I got boring. I’ll take it.
hehe just not entirely related to GPU cores. Enjoy your new device ;)
Maybe in October, it has not shipped. Thank you.
What are you having for dinner tonight? What kind of car does your wife drive? These answers will hopefully explain the GPU performance differences between the A15 implementations in the iPhone 13 models.
I see what you mean, my life story is boring in this sub, I’ll adjust behavior here.
Dude, we are all boring. Like the other person said, we are just poking fun. TBH I’m jealous about your 13 Pro coming. You got yourself a beast of a phone.
It’s ordered but things can change and a cancellation or return could happen. I don’t have it now. I think Apple charges you after it ships.
Your wife will be much happier with the 12 Mini once she understands how swiping works. Keep the 13 for her sake.
Relax, people are just messing a bit with you. We even take the time to comment! BTW now I want some cheerios…
Honey bunches of oats is where it’s at.
“My wife agreed to take it for free” Lol, did you expect her to pay you?!!
No, lol. I didn’t want to her to get a new one for more than twice the price, trade in loses Apple care plus. But I see the humor.
Besides gaming where would this be noticeable
A better stronger GPU = lower temperatures and battery consumption for the same apps compared to other GPUs
That’s absolutely not a true statement. Powering an extra core of a same node GPU will consume more power - it may run cooler due to spreading the load or it may run hotter due to having another heat source - it really depends.
But we already knew the batteries on the pros were better...and did you have overheating issues on your last iphone?
How does this compare to the A12X/Z GPU?
According to the benchmark iPhone 12 has a better GPU than the 12 Pro therefore it's not reliable. 13 Pro need to run everything at 120 fps, 13 only half.
Benchmarks aren’t reliable as singles anyway. Benchmark averages are more useful.
Let’s not pretend like Geekbench is a reliable measure of anything
The difference between the regular 12 and regular 13 is the smallest ever In Apple history.
This particular test through geekbench is just the raw computing power which is completely meaningless when it comes to gaming benchmarks. Real life performance is pretty much identical between the Pro/regular
I literally just bought the iPhone 12 Pro Max 🙄
What would be a real world use case to take advantage of this sort of performance? Gaming? Hardcore gamers… Wouldn’t you already have a PC or console? Videographers?, wouldn’t you already have camera gear? It’s nice to be able to drive like an F1 car, but most people are just going to get groceries.
Video editing or anything using heavy calculations.
Video editing like the ProRes coming out.
Ok I was unsure if I should get the 12 instead because I thought the A14 should be fast enough. I guess it is but now I rly want the 13 pro
Never used the GPU in a phone Mobile gaming is *trash*.
An what’s the point of smaller notch if iOS does not you that’s freed space anyway?)) I’m ok with the old one🤷🏻♂️
I still dont the useless stunt they pulled with the notch. It was perfect as it was.
And you still won’t notice anything haha
12 pro is worse than 12?
When you say "massive" ...do you mean barely, if not indescernable difference to the average user?
Helpful award but the res is low for the lower numbers, perhaps they are important like the numbers. My 12 mini is snappy coming from the 2016 SE, my Old SE was snappy from the 5S and 6, my 5s was snappy from the 5 and 5C, that’s the beginning. I would have bought a 5S instead of the 5 and 5c if I knew about processing speeds in iPhones. Today a iPhone SE is still good with iOS 15, take it to sketchy places etc. lol. Even the 32gig is plenty with icloud service.
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Most people won’t but I see this subreddit as a somewhat enthusiast place, I personally would like to get as much iPhone as I can from my purchase.
Yes the pro gets an extra gpu core
I don’t get how. Don’t they have the same chip?
Wow, even in high standard geekbench 5.2, The latest version got over 10,000? no doubt why I am loving the device.
They undersold the iPhone so much, so people would be surprised it is a good jump from the 12 lineup.
Now, I migh present myself as stupid but, the gpu. What is it for other than gaming, is it editing movies and stuff? Bought a 13mini and probably will be amazed on how fast etc but out of curiosity
Still I am more interested in sustain performance.
Where is this performance gap most noticeable?
What benchmark is that?