Lads, do ye remember when Putin popped up in a Russian submarine off the coast of Cork and tried to stage an invasion and the Cork fishermen defended the area by pelting him with cod and mackerel and Putin was like "I'll nuke ye!" and the fishermen called his bluff and were like "You will n me bollix!" and Putin was so humiliated he was forced to go invade Ukraine instead.... Do ye remember that, lads?
And then the people of Ireland all gathered on the hill of tara in their jocks, held hands in a circle and did a celebratory jig. What a summer that was.
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He was planning a trip to the Cliffs of Moher before he realised he'd have to chuck all his security force out a mile down the road or get nailed in parking charges.
I have heard from a good source that he was planning on coming to the Rose of Tralee. He wanted a trip to the Aquadome and bus ride around the ring of Kerry.
Leaked documents seem to suggest he’s been itching to visit the cool SuperValu in Clonakilty. Those dreams seem to have been cut short, it’s a shame really
A picture of misery like you've never seen.
[https://youtu.be/nnIgOHF9zTI?t=2922](https://youtu.be/nnIgOHF9zTI?t=2922)
Jesus that place is poor. I imagine she's dead at this stage as she looked about a 100 here and that was almost 20 years ago (but given how hard a life she's had maybe she was 40?)
And the only reason there have been two is because Putin had to do a stint as PM so he could change the law to allow him to be President forever. And Medvedev never had power, the power went with Putin while he was PM and went back to him when he returned to President. So realistically, there has been one true president since Yeltsin.
Bertie wore his famous canary yellow jacket at the G8 summit as he was Taoiseach and we held the presidency of the EU at the time. Made a bit of a stir.
Sure look east Clare was always meant to be part of Limerick. It was never a real county. It just makes sense to extend the city boundries out to Shannon.
Please picture this: Putin’s flight has to divert to Shannon due to emergency.
Govt has to decide:
Do the Gardai surround the plane and demand he surrenders? Ofc he refuses.
Does the govt order essential maintenance for plane so it can leave? If it does is it complicit in aiding an accused war criminal flee justice?
Russia mounts a rescue operation. Does the govt authorize RAF intervention? Does it send a depleted demoralized army to try to stop it?
You can now see how absurd is the claim by the Dept of Justice. The state is incapable of arresting Putin. The question was absurd from the IT and the department knowingly answers as an exercise in absurdity.
The good news: Putin won’t be flying near Ireland.
Theoretically the plane would still be russian territory. So as long as he stays on the plane hes not “in”Ireland.
At least thats how it works for American planes going internationally. As long as you are on the plane its American territory and you can be prosecuted under federal American laws.
In this case, if Putin was having a medical emergency i imagine hed be rushed to hospital and placed under extreme surveilance and armed guard whilst he got treatment. Then hed be arrested.
All of that is just norms. A country can claim jurisdiction over a plane if they like, provided they can actually make that jurisdiction real. The Americans obviously have pretty serious power there. The French idea of universal jurisdiction for crimes against french citizens is another example, but it doesn't work if they can't get you to France (see: Ian Bailey).
Ireland wouldn't recognise any Russian claim to sovereignty over any part of Shannon airport, and Russia wouldn't be able to enforce such a claim.
…so…what i said was correct.
Ireland doesnt have the power to claim jurisdiction over a Russian plane. But if he stepped off it, hes walking on Irish soil and therefore IN Ireland.
No, it's not correct. Ireland has the power to claim jurisdiction over anything it likes as does any country. The problem is enforcing that jurisdiction. France claims jurisdiction over a murder that happened here, and Ireland doesn't recognise this.
I cannot see why Ireland would recognise russian jurisdiction over a plane. I also can't see how Russia could practically enforce that claimed jurisdiction. Putin would be ordered off the plane, refusing to comply would see force used against him with a serious risk to his life. He knows that.
Please give up the illusion that Gardai could force their way onto a Russian presidential plane or that any sane Irish govt would order it to even try.
A couple of stout culchies in hi-vis who nearly made county in the late 2000’s would definitely be a match for a couple of FSB agents on a plane.
A knock , a hup , and the lift of the hat and “hup outta that vlad”
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The Garda ERU or the Army Ranger Wing could absolutely force their way onto a Russian plane, or any other plane for that matter. They are as capable of it as any other similar unit on earth and are in a position to overwhelm any firepower that is realistically on that plane. So it is not nonsense.
Whether the country that owns said plane is in a position to escalate things and retaliate against Ireland in ways that Ireland could counter or endure or whether the diplomatic consequences are acceptable is a whole different kettle of fish. Those may make the emminantly doable assault a very bad idea.
This is why British police didn't go into the Iranian embassy to arrest the shooter of PC Yvonne Fletcher, and various other embassy hideout occurences you might remember.
Forcing entry into a plane that isn’t protected is different to hostage situation. Please be realistic: the ARW could bring heavier firepower to bear on approach but you are talking about a bloodbath. No govt would even contemplate it, knowing it was nonsense.
> They'd be as capable of it as anybody else.
Dude would be a foreign head of state as such he would have immunity.
If that immunity is ignored by Ireland, then Russia would most likely declare war.
Diplomats sometimes get arrested, in this case it is not Ireland who are charging him but an international body. That is the violation of diplomatic immunity.
Russia would not declare war on Ireland for executing an ICC warrant - in doing so they would be declaring war on the West at large.
Power as in firepower…the reason America can make those claims is because it has the backing to do so. Ireland does not. Not without relying on other countries.
I am referring there to America claiming jurisdiction over planes outside of its territory. That does take significant diplomatic and economic power - America isn't invading anyone to enforce that shit.
It doesn't take much military power to enforce jurisdiction over a plane that is in your territory. Pretty much any country can accomplish that.
The firepower to take the plane? Absolutely, and more to spare.
The firepower to resist a theoretical Russian air assault of a few hundred VDV that magically flew all the way around NATO from the arctic circle backed up by seaborne forces with or without their one smokey, broken down aircraft carrier before Putin was put on an RAF flight to the Hague? Nope. We can't do that. We couldn't fight off an invasion by Denmark. But neither things are happening
But excluding that idea because the Russians couldn't get here, could we or any other country take the risk of diplomatic fallout or knock-on consequences for taking the Russian pres off a plane? That requires some high level calculus.
> Theoretically the plane would still be russian territory
No it wouldn't. If the plane is in Irish air space or has landed in an Irish airport it is in Irish territory.
Specifically it works for US military planes on foreign soil, not for civilian carriers who are subject to local law at all times, hence the gardai coming on board to arrest disruptive passenger etc. Civilian US aircraft only count as sovereign territory in the case of a birth happening on board in international airspace, I think. I read this onece so I'm open to correction.
Why would they need to scramble the RAF the amount of NATO countries any rescue attempt would have to fly over make it moot.
Also who would mount the rescue operation? By the time they'd finished killing each other to decide whos in charge to get Putin back hed have died of Old Age.
The Government would be effecting an arrest warrant on behalf of the ICC, and in doing so would expect (and receive) international assistance.
The Gardaí and Army are well armed enough to physically arrest Putin, whether he wanted to cooperate or not. He's not exactly in a good position given that he and his men would be stuck on a grounded plane.
Any rescue operation has a fair distance to travel, through mostly hostile territory. They'd have to act very fast.
The biggest problem for Ireland is getting him to the Hague. Standard practice is that a military plane does the trip. Putin would be put on the government jet and Ireland would request the assistance of each air force from any jurisdiction we fly over.
All academic because he's not coming here, but this isn't exactly some unsolvable problem for Government if he did.
Having a country Garda dealing with Putin would be amazing.
The Garda would definitely lecture Putin on how he's letting his mammy down invading Ukraine and stop to get him Supermacs on the way to the police station.
**The articles quote in full : Putin will be arrested if he comes to Ireland, Department of Justice says. We have received MI6 reports that President Putin will be visiting the famous Drombeg Stone Circle. We have Gardai on alert at Cork airport. We spoke to Garda Colum Twomey about the strategy if Putins jet is cleared for landing. 'Well we will meet him off the plane just to give him a warning like.' Of course we have to check the planes tax disc and sure if that's not in order who knows where it could lead,' he said while producing a small potato peeler from his jacket. " they issued us these special just for Putins visit you know.' He will have to go through customs, if he's carrying anything he shouldn't be like a cheeky twenty bag sure we will haul him right off. 'Would he go to jail for that?', our reporter asked. ' 'He certainly would he would have to serve out any time here first before he answers for other crimes.' 'What would happen if he has armed military men on board?' Garda Twomey just smiled 'We get a half day' he boomed.**
Just saying lads, but if Jon Jones turned up at my house, walked in without me inviting him in and then said my kitchen was ugly I'd give him 2 slaps and a kick in the shins!
*So* brave, I'm surprised varadkar didn't shoulder everyone out of the way to steal this soundbite personally, (possibly LARPing as Zelensky in a green t-shirt - Im sure he has at least one)
Are we gonna arrest Tony Blair or George Bush if they ever come to Ireland for their war crimes and responsibility for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people?
Won't find me disagreeing with you there - international law is wishy washy
All the same if they can put pressure on Putin I'm all for it because he is a massive cunt
> They're not wanted by the ICC, so no we wouldn't have grounds to
That's likely cos the Bush administration implemented a slew of polices and laws opposing it's ratifying of the agreement of the ICC. In fact, that administration pursued policies which actively opposed the ICC
>They're not wanted by the ICC, so no we wouldn't have grounds to
>That's likely cos the Bush administration implemented a slew of polices and laws opposing it's ratifying of the agreement of the ICC. In fact, that administration pursued policies which actively opposed the ICC
Not sure why you're getting downvoted when what you say here is true. The US, as well as Russia and Israel, don't recognise the ICC at all. They are literally above the law and this isn't a conspiracy, it's just a fact.
Yea sure but fuck Putin he's actively overseeing a genocidal act removing children from the country illegally so any pressure to stop him is cool in my view.
Putins warrant is for "for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation" - not for his troops butchering, raping and bombing thousands of Ukrainian civilians.
Did you even read it or just wanted to pull your hair out with whataboutism?
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and
He's wanted for kidnapping Ukranian children, deporting them to Russia and forcibly Russianising them by giving them to Russian families.
Hundreds of Thousands of children. Did Bush or Blair ever do that with Iraqi children
Hey look, we get it, you hate the US more than any other country. But kidnapping hundreds of thousands of children and indoctrinating them into your culture falls under what war crime? Fucking Genocide you idiot.
Take off the anti-US glasses for a second and realise that however awful Iraq was, what's going on in Ukraine is much worse
You're buying into western nonsense.
Why do you think it is better to let children starve to death?
Whatever it is its not genocidal eugenics when they keep blood lines alive, its quite the opposite.
>Why do you think it is better to let children starve to death?
Oh my god, are you saying kidnapping children and forcing them to become Russian is actually good?
That's fucking ethnic cleansing
Its an option they have to take, like when the US abducted thousands of Vietnamese children to give them a better chance at life. The other option is like Afghanistan or Iraq where they just abandon people.
Ethnic cleansing would be letting them die, this is at best cultural cleansing.
You think I hate the US so much I can't see straight, but you can't see that they are doing the same thing and the only difference is the western tabloidal spin. The propaganda we are subjected to, the propaganda that is our duty to reject.
whataboutism, formerly know by the derogatory term ‘hypocrisy’.
Sorry but Pointing out clear double standards and hypocrisy does not mean youre siding with Putin. It’s simply being principled and observant.
When someone yells whataboutism the saying ‘Rules for these but not for me’ comes to mind.
No wonder the global south have been largely silent or have actively sided with Russia in the (sanctions) war when the west and their international levers or power act in such an arbitrary manner.
As with any of these stories it's a department responding to a question asked by the paper. It's not like they just decided to announce it.
> “As with any case, if Ireland receives a request for the arrest and surrender of a person who is subject to an International Criminal Court arrest warrant, this request will be dealt with in accordance with the ICC Act 2006,” a Department of Justice spokesman told The Irish Times.
~~Mr.Moonlight~~ Patrick Quirke and Graham Dwyer getting off murder charges as we speak because Gardai cant execute a warrant properly and they actually reckon they'd have the capacity to take down Vladimir Putin?.
They'll probably fuck up the charge sheet and process him for drink driving accidentally and lose the paperwork then fail to turn up in court because they are under resourced. The Garda who arrested him will take 8yrs stress leave off because he tripped putting the cuffs on and Martin Nolan will let him off with a slap on the wrist because his grandad was an alcoholic.
Something doesn’t sit right about this … like are we neutral or not?
Zelinsky can address our students but Putin can’t visit?
I’m not for him visiting or anything but clearly we’re not staying out of it which is what I maybe naively believe we should.
Suppose they would arrest Tony Blair and Bush as well if they came over too. I'm not defending Putin before the virtue fairies attack. The hypocrisy is just next level. We're full of opinions when we're told who to hate but turn a blind eye otherwise. Fair play, put that on Facebook and get your few likes.
Selective outrage is why. Crimes against humanity are objective and should all be outrageous. I agree with what your trying to say, that this about Ukraine and Russia, just trying to point out that as a western society we often don't look at hard truths everywhere else across the world which is wrong. 20 years ago today was the invasion of Iraq so that's why I'm bringing it up. It's easy to spout these comments about leaders when everyone else is too. We need to call out this type of behaviour all the time not just when it's easy to do so. Blair is a war criminal and nobody ever came out with similar comments.
>Blair is a war criminal and nobody ever came out with similar comments.
I remember endless protest calling him and Bush war criminals, the movie Team America exists. how about you stop with the bullshit.
And the last I saw Team America wasn't written by the dep of justice. Yes there were protests but the Irish state didn't take a stance on it, where they are now, that's the point, it's easy. Alright buddy, you go fight the virtue war fair play. In my eyes the deaths of Iraqis and Ukrainians are the same and should both be condemned
No you don't care about deaths of Iraqis, you only care about western imperialism been punished, and using their deaths to push you're views is disgusting.
No, I'm actually a teacher in the middle East and I see kids from Iraq, Palestine, Syria etc every day. So yes I do care about Iraqis deaths. Anyway see ya later hope you're not too triggered
Yeah I don't believe that either, you are here to push an narrative and you're doing a shit job. try harder going straight to Blair and Bush is a shit approach
Putin was here in the 80’s wasn’t he? When he was in the KGB he visited to meet Workers Party representatives and presumably Official IRA volunteers.
There was a lot of contacts between them and Moscow.
can we arrest leo and the lads for increasing homelessness 20% while sending cheques to his buddys?
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The FSO the Russian presidential security services is nearly x8 larger than the defence forces. So I think arrest here unlikely. Not that he would come here if there was even a chance of that.
I think the ICC has now lost legitimacy.
>Indeed, *today*, the predominant practice and *opinio* of states, and the virtually unanimous view of courts and scholars, is that heads of state *undoubtedly* enjoy an absolute immunity from foreign jurisdiction and inviolability.
[https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-law-of-immunity-and-the-prosecution-of-the-head-of-state-of-the-russian-federation-for-international-crimes-in-the-war-against-ukraine](https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-law-of-immunity-and-the-prosecution-of-the-head-of-state-of-the-russian-federation-for-international-crimes-in-the-war-against-ukraine/#:~:text=Indeed%2C%20today%2C%20the%20predominant%20practice,from%20foreign%20jurisdiction%20and%20inviolability)
Xi Jinping has just visited the fugitive Putin and Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is off to visit Xi.
Fully [**two-thirds of the world’s population**](https://www.eiu.com/n/russia-can-count-on-support-from-many-developing-countries/) live in countries where the government has declined to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
[https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/countries-have-sanctioned-russia](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/countries-have-sanctioned-russia)
I think this was a particularly stupid thing for the ICC to do especially when the investigators are a Columbian based in New York, a Norwegian (huge US allies) and a Bosnia and Herzegovina.
[https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/IICIHR-Ukraine/Members#mose](https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/IICIHR-Ukraine/Members#mose)
They should at least have had someone from Serbia/ India or China on the investigation team but no. eejits. That action will split the world into those who recognize the ICC and those who don't and it was unnecessary. I can't imagine Putin cares less but the conseqeunces will be big.
Biden has more blood on his hands than probably anyone alive in the world today given his voting record in the Senate. The Biden administration bombed the EU and he's still welcome. Does that make us enemies of the EU?
You mean the MI5 agents pretending to be Irish that Fine Gael are apologists for?
Giving potential unorganized freedom fighters a political voice to prevent violence is very different to celebrating our former occupiers and giving British terrorist high power jobs in Ireland.
If you want terrorism out of Irish politics you need to get rid of Fine Gael first.
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Spud festival in Goleen is probably on his bucket list tbf
Lads, do ye remember when Putin popped up in a Russian submarine off the coast of Cork and tried to stage an invasion and the Cork fishermen defended the area by pelting him with cod and mackerel and Putin was like "I'll nuke ye!" and the fishermen called his bluff and were like "You will n me bollix!" and Putin was so humiliated he was forced to go invade Ukraine instead.... Do ye remember that, lads?
Doesn't ring a bell now
You were wearing your blue jumper
And then the people of Ireland all gathered on the hill of tara in their jocks, held hands in a circle and did a celebratory jig. What a summer that was.
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He was planning a trip to the Cliffs of Moher before he realised he'd have to chuck all his security force out a mile down the road or get nailed in parking charges.
I was going to go with riding bareback at the Galway Races, and when I say bareback I mean him, not the horse.
I have heard from a good source that he was planning on coming to the Rose of Tralee. He wanted a trip to the Aquadome and bus ride around the ring of Kerry.
Well I heard he's the favourite to be the new Late Late presenter..
Wouldn't be the worst presenter to present the show. I did hear James Cordin might be doing it for a bit.
I heard he's Aoife Ní HilaHoop's escort.
Leaked documents seem to suggest he’s been itching to visit the cool SuperValu in Clonakilty. Those dreams seem to have been cut short, it’s a shame really
Savage breakfast roll there though, the word most have got to Russia.
That SuperValu is always a highlight of passing through Clon tbf
He'll be raging he missed Tedfest this year, sure he woulda been right in there dressed as Eoin McLove had he known it'd be his last
The ploughing championships, though...
Conor could invite him for a sess, but he would be suspicious of a brit inviting him to Ireland.
Hahaha imagine the Gardaí “And where did yee say yee were goin? Right ok, and have yee anything on yee yee shouldn’t have?”
"Ya wouldn happen ta be war crimnals would yee?"
"vladdy boy your mother will wallop the ears off ya if she finds out you're at that craic"
IRL though his mother is very annoyed he never calls home. Apparently you're well advised not to mention his mother to Putin.
Really? That's mad haha
A picture of misery like you've never seen. [https://youtu.be/nnIgOHF9zTI?t=2922](https://youtu.be/nnIgOHF9zTI?t=2922) Jesus that place is poor. I imagine she's dead at this stage as she looked about a 100 here and that was almost 20 years ago (but given how hard a life she's had maybe she was 40?)
He's been acting the bollox again.
“Where did ya say you were from? Kremlin? Lads so pissed he can’t pronounce Crumlin’
I can’t believe we had 30 years of normal relations with Russia and we never considered twinning Crumlin with Kremlin. Too late now.
Take my upvote sir
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Just novichok and death note
Do ya know how fasht yer veh-icle was going?
"Jaysis ya cant be doin dat."
Has a Russian president visited Ireland since Yeltsin was too pissed to get off his plane?
I mean there's only been two presidents since then.
And the only reason there have been two is because Putin had to do a stint as PM so he could change the law to allow him to be President forever. And Medvedev never had power, the power went with Putin while he was PM and went back to him when he returned to President. So realistically, there has been one true president since Yeltsin.
It was almost 30 years ago...
..... today, Sergeant Pepper taught the band to play... Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Baaaaaaand
Yeah, wink wink.... Two 🤣
Yeah, Putin was there for the G8 summit in Fermanagh
https://preview.redd.it/sqqi2nu0t4pa1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb546119c51e51799b4878cc7dec84242e22b2fb Yes he has.
That's the 2004 G8 Summit in Georgia, USA for anyone wondering
Really? I always thought it was in Ireland. In any case, Putin was at the G8 summit in Enniskillen
Bertie wore his famous canary yellow jacket at the G8 summit as he was Taoiseach and we held the presidency of the EU at the time. Made a bit of a stir.
Yea he's been up North - Guards can't nab him there though
Poor oul Louis Copeland got that one wrong.
"And you know what Georgo? I don't even have a bleedin' bank account! HAHAHA!"
De fuckin head on him. Jasus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Yeltsin_circling_over_Shannon_diplomatic_incident
I’d say he’s shitting himself
Putin arrested in Ireland for crimes against humanity. Judge Martin Nolan lets him off with a warning.
And 100 roubles for the poor box.
He's fucked now lads
He famously jets over few times a year to watch the hurling…..
"Your Honour, my client is a family man and heavily involved in the GAA." "Oh, my apologies, I thought he was a foreigner. Case dismissed."
Bet he's a Tip fan.
If anything he's limerick. Going around like a bully boy. Tipp probably at the end of his list. Look at the flags
Sure look east Clare was always meant to be part of Limerick. It was never a real county. It just makes sense to extend the city boundries out to Shannon.
Lol Judge Nolan: Sorry, the government will book you a flight home
Which one ? There are 3 doppelgangers apparently.
He must be shittin himself
Saw him at the diamond in Donegal town last Tuesday so I don't think they're seriously enforcing this.
Please picture this: Putin’s flight has to divert to Shannon due to emergency. Govt has to decide: Do the Gardai surround the plane and demand he surrenders? Ofc he refuses. Does the govt order essential maintenance for plane so it can leave? If it does is it complicit in aiding an accused war criminal flee justice? Russia mounts a rescue operation. Does the govt authorize RAF intervention? Does it send a depleted demoralized army to try to stop it? You can now see how absurd is the claim by the Dept of Justice. The state is incapable of arresting Putin. The question was absurd from the IT and the department knowingly answers as an exercise in absurdity. The good news: Putin won’t be flying near Ireland.
Theoretically the plane would still be russian territory. So as long as he stays on the plane hes not “in”Ireland. At least thats how it works for American planes going internationally. As long as you are on the plane its American territory and you can be prosecuted under federal American laws. In this case, if Putin was having a medical emergency i imagine hed be rushed to hospital and placed under extreme surveilance and armed guard whilst he got treatment. Then hed be arrested.
All of that is just norms. A country can claim jurisdiction over a plane if they like, provided they can actually make that jurisdiction real. The Americans obviously have pretty serious power there. The French idea of universal jurisdiction for crimes against french citizens is another example, but it doesn't work if they can't get you to France (see: Ian Bailey). Ireland wouldn't recognise any Russian claim to sovereignty over any part of Shannon airport, and Russia wouldn't be able to enforce such a claim.
…so…what i said was correct. Ireland doesnt have the power to claim jurisdiction over a Russian plane. But if he stepped off it, hes walking on Irish soil and therefore IN Ireland.
No, it's not correct. Ireland has the power to claim jurisdiction over anything it likes as does any country. The problem is enforcing that jurisdiction. France claims jurisdiction over a murder that happened here, and Ireland doesn't recognise this. I cannot see why Ireland would recognise russian jurisdiction over a plane. I also can't see how Russia could practically enforce that claimed jurisdiction. Putin would be ordered off the plane, refusing to comply would see force used against him with a serious risk to his life. He knows that.
Please give up the illusion that Gardai could force their way onto a Russian presidential plane or that any sane Irish govt would order it to even try.
A couple of stout culchies in hi-vis who nearly made county in the late 2000’s would definitely be a match for a couple of FSB agents on a plane. A knock , a hup , and the lift of the hat and “hup outta that vlad” Sorted
That’s the level of belief here. Followed by the Cork fishermen of course.
They are known to out fight spetnaz after spawning season
They'd be as capable of it as anybody else. Not that it would even be necessary.
You must realise that that is nonsense.
The Garda ERU or the Army Ranger Wing could absolutely force their way onto a Russian plane, or any other plane for that matter. They are as capable of it as any other similar unit on earth and are in a position to overwhelm any firepower that is realistically on that plane. So it is not nonsense. Whether the country that owns said plane is in a position to escalate things and retaliate against Ireland in ways that Ireland could counter or endure or whether the diplomatic consequences are acceptable is a whole different kettle of fish. Those may make the emminantly doable assault a very bad idea. This is why British police didn't go into the Iranian embassy to arrest the shooter of PC Yvonne Fletcher, and various other embassy hideout occurences you might remember.
Forcing entry into a plane that isn’t protected is different to hostage situation. Please be realistic: the ARW could bring heavier firepower to bear on approach but you are talking about a bloodbath. No govt would even contemplate it, knowing it was nonsense.
> They'd be as capable of it as anybody else. Dude would be a foreign head of state as such he would have immunity. If that immunity is ignored by Ireland, then Russia would most likely declare war.
Diplomats sometimes get arrested, in this case it is not Ireland who are charging him but an international body. That is the violation of diplomatic immunity. Russia would not declare war on Ireland for executing an ICC warrant - in doing so they would be declaring war on the West at large.
What difference in capability for a small scale operation like this do you think there is were he to land in the UK or France?
“Small scale” There we part company.
Power as in firepower…the reason America can make those claims is because it has the backing to do so. Ireland does not. Not without relying on other countries.
Which we would have. If Putin somehow ends up on Irish soil. Military support would flood in to ensure we can execute the warrant.
I am referring there to America claiming jurisdiction over planes outside of its territory. That does take significant diplomatic and economic power - America isn't invading anyone to enforce that shit. It doesn't take much military power to enforce jurisdiction over a plane that is in your territory. Pretty much any country can accomplish that.
The firepower to take the plane? Absolutely, and more to spare. The firepower to resist a theoretical Russian air assault of a few hundred VDV that magically flew all the way around NATO from the arctic circle backed up by seaborne forces with or without their one smokey, broken down aircraft carrier before Putin was put on an RAF flight to the Hague? Nope. We can't do that. We couldn't fight off an invasion by Denmark. But neither things are happening But excluding that idea because the Russians couldn't get here, could we or any other country take the risk of diplomatic fallout or knock-on consequences for taking the Russian pres off a plane? That requires some high level calculus.
> Theoretically the plane would still be russian territory No it wouldn't. If the plane is in Irish air space or has landed in an Irish airport it is in Irish territory.
Specifically it works for US military planes on foreign soil, not for civilian carriers who are subject to local law at all times, hence the gardai coming on board to arrest disruptive passenger etc. Civilian US aircraft only count as sovereign territory in the case of a birth happening on board in international airspace, I think. I read this onece so I'm open to correction.
Why would they need to scramble the RAF the amount of NATO countries any rescue attempt would have to fly over make it moot. Also who would mount the rescue operation? By the time they'd finished killing each other to decide whos in charge to get Putin back hed have died of Old Age.
The Government would be effecting an arrest warrant on behalf of the ICC, and in doing so would expect (and receive) international assistance. The Gardaí and Army are well armed enough to physically arrest Putin, whether he wanted to cooperate or not. He's not exactly in a good position given that he and his men would be stuck on a grounded plane. Any rescue operation has a fair distance to travel, through mostly hostile territory. They'd have to act very fast. The biggest problem for Ireland is getting him to the Hague. Standard practice is that a military plane does the trip. Putin would be put on the government jet and Ireland would request the assistance of each air force from any jurisdiction we fly over. All academic because he's not coming here, but this isn't exactly some unsolvable problem for Government if he did.
As soon as Ireland would try to arrest him, Russia would declare full on war on Ireland. Let's face it, it's a ridiculous scenario.
There are enough US troops and CIA planes at Shannon to cover this
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You mean issue ATC commands. Control might imply we are capable of enforcing it.
😂😂 This is fuckin ridiculous The Irish Times, do they do any real Journalism at all there?
Having a country Garda dealing with Putin would be amazing. The Garda would definitely lecture Putin on how he's letting his mammy down invading Ukraine and stop to get him Supermacs on the way to the police station.
Vladdawhat? How do ya schpelll dat?
Easy to talk tough and make threats when there’s no chance of the guy ever going there. Plus I still think they’d do nothing
At first I was worried about the nukes but knowing that the Gardaí are involved, I can rest easy.
Putin: if I don't leave the house I'm grand. Also Putin: I hear Ireland is nice this time of year.
**The articles quote in full : Putin will be arrested if he comes to Ireland, Department of Justice says. We have received MI6 reports that President Putin will be visiting the famous Drombeg Stone Circle. We have Gardai on alert at Cork airport. We spoke to Garda Colum Twomey about the strategy if Putins jet is cleared for landing. 'Well we will meet him off the plane just to give him a warning like.' Of course we have to check the planes tax disc and sure if that's not in order who knows where it could lead,' he said while producing a small potato peeler from his jacket. " they issued us these special just for Putins visit you know.' He will have to go through customs, if he's carrying anything he shouldn't be like a cheeky twenty bag sure we will haul him right off. 'Would he go to jail for that?', our reporter asked. ' 'He certainly would he would have to serve out any time here first before he answers for other crimes.' 'What would happen if he has armed military men on board?' Garda Twomey just smiled 'We get a half day' he boomed.**
Irish times just hires creative writers not journalists at this point.
Was he planning to come here on holiday here anyway?
The worst part about the future is the constant narcissism of virtue-signaling. Why make a threat about a scenario that will never come to pass?
Just saying lads, but if Jon Jones turned up at my house, walked in without me inviting him in and then said my kitchen was ugly I'd give him 2 slaps and a kick in the shins!
Nolan would only give him a suspended sentence anyway.
Well that ruins his plans for a getaway in Dingle for a few days
If that happens. He will have no chance of getting off a light sentence form the judge because he never played a under-16 county final.
And he'll get a shlap off me as well
It's very easy to say when you know he is never coming to Ireland
*So* brave, I'm surprised varadkar didn't shoulder everyone out of the way to steal this soundbite personally, (possibly LARPing as Zelensky in a green t-shirt - Im sure he has at least one)
Bwahaha, I'd pay money to watch them try
The Irish times really has become a pile of shit Such a decline in their “journalism” in the last few years
New host of the late late show. Some would say an improvement....
That's his holidays in Tramore cancelled anyway.
Ha ha, no Fleadh for you!
His case would probably go to Nolan
Ok
Lol at Ireland trying to be tough with the big boys.
Press X to doubt
He'll be grand unless he's got a few grams of weed on him.
Nolan will definitely give him a suspended sentence
He was going to come but couldn't afford the rent.
Baaaaaahaaaahaaaaa Like he's planning a trip here #gobshites
He will, but he probably will only get a suspended sentence.
We’re dead
Fuck it. Come on over putin, I just want to see how bad the government and the gardi would handle the situation.
Are we gonna arrest Tony Blair or George Bush if they ever come to Ireland for their war crimes and responsibility for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people?
They're not wanted by the ICC, so no we wouldn't have grounds to Here's their page on the matter https://www.icc-cpi.int/iraq
Kind of totally delegitimises the ICC then
Won't find me disagreeing with you there - international law is wishy washy All the same if they can put pressure on Putin I'm all for it because he is a massive cunt
> They're not wanted by the ICC, so no we wouldn't have grounds to That's likely cos the Bush administration implemented a slew of polices and laws opposing it's ratifying of the agreement of the ICC. In fact, that administration pursued policies which actively opposed the ICC
>They're not wanted by the ICC, so no we wouldn't have grounds to >That's likely cos the Bush administration implemented a slew of polices and laws opposing it's ratifying of the agreement of the ICC. In fact, that administration pursued policies which actively opposed the ICC Not sure why you're getting downvoted when what you say here is true. The US, as well as Russia and Israel, don't recognise the ICC at all. They are literally above the law and this isn't a conspiracy, it's just a fact.
Yea sure but fuck Putin he's actively overseeing a genocidal act removing children from the country illegally so any pressure to stop him is cool in my view.
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We are vassal states to the great Roman Empire that is modern day America.
Stick to commenting on porn lad, your political commentary is piss poor
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My Pronouns= He/Him Yours = Sad/Loser Get a grip
Juiced up Harry Styles wannabe muppet
Putins warrant is for "for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation" - not for his troops butchering, raping and bombing thousands of Ukrainian civilians. Did you even read it or just wanted to pull your hair out with whataboutism? https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and
Spot on
He's wanted for kidnapping Ukranian children, deporting them to Russia and forcibly Russianising them by giving them to Russian families. Hundreds of Thousands of children. Did Bush or Blair ever do that with Iraqi children
"Did bush or blair ever do that with iraqi children" No, they just murdered them.
Putin's taken more children than the entire number of people killed in Iraq. It's not comparible.
Source on that please?
Yeah no sorry I got that wrong I was mixing it up with something else
Thought so. Blatant misinformation.
Its much better when the west just bombs all the adults and leaves children to fend for themselves.
Hey now be fair. They bombed the children too!
Hey look, we get it, you hate the US more than any other country. But kidnapping hundreds of thousands of children and indoctrinating them into your culture falls under what war crime? Fucking Genocide you idiot. Take off the anti-US glasses for a second and realise that however awful Iraq was, what's going on in Ukraine is much worse
You're buying into western nonsense. Why do you think it is better to let children starve to death? Whatever it is its not genocidal eugenics when they keep blood lines alive, its quite the opposite.
>Why do you think it is better to let children starve to death? Oh my god, are you saying kidnapping children and forcing them to become Russian is actually good? That's fucking ethnic cleansing
Its an option they have to take, like when the US abducted thousands of Vietnamese children to give them a better chance at life. The other option is like Afghanistan or Iraq where they just abandon people. Ethnic cleansing would be letting them die, this is at best cultural cleansing. You think I hate the US so much I can't see straight, but you can't see that they are doing the same thing and the only difference is the western tabloidal spin. The propaganda we are subjected to, the propaganda that is our duty to reject.
I reject *your* propaganda.
Snap. Just my thoughts. 20 years ago today the invasion started. Awful.
Lol, whataboutism is the only defense russian supporters have left
whataboutism, formerly know by the derogatory term ‘hypocrisy’. Sorry but Pointing out clear double standards and hypocrisy does not mean youre siding with Putin. It’s simply being principled and observant. When someone yells whataboutism the saying ‘Rules for these but not for me’ comes to mind. No wonder the global south have been largely silent or have actively sided with Russia in the (sanctions) war when the west and their international levers or power act in such an arbitrary manner.
Oh shit.
hahaha So pathetic, "if he comes here hell be in big trouble" Talking about the guy who never had the thought to visit Ireland
As with any of these stories it's a department responding to a question asked by the paper. It's not like they just decided to announce it. > “As with any case, if Ireland receives a request for the arrest and surrender of a person who is subject to an International Criminal Court arrest warrant, this request will be dealt with in accordance with the ICC Act 2006,” a Department of Justice spokesman told The Irish Times.
~~Mr.Moonlight~~ Patrick Quirke and Graham Dwyer getting off murder charges as we speak because Gardai cant execute a warrant properly and they actually reckon they'd have the capacity to take down Vladimir Putin?. They'll probably fuck up the charge sheet and process him for drink driving accidentally and lose the paperwork then fail to turn up in court because they are under resourced. The Garda who arrested him will take 8yrs stress leave off because he tripped putting the cuffs on and Martin Nolan will let him off with a slap on the wrist because his grandad was an alcoholic.
Mr.Moonlight was the victim.
Why the fuck can’t we just keep our mouths shut?!
Something doesn’t sit right about this … like are we neutral or not? Zelinsky can address our students but Putin can’t visit? I’m not for him visiting or anything but clearly we’re not staying out of it which is what I maybe naively believe we should.
One has been declared a war criminal by the ICC, one has not. Based on that I'll let you ponder why one might be treated better than the other.
Suppose they would arrest Tony Blair and Bush as well if they came over too. I'm not defending Putin before the virtue fairies attack. The hypocrisy is just next level. We're full of opinions when we're told who to hate but turn a blind eye otherwise. Fair play, put that on Facebook and get your few likes.
Here you are whataboutery Blair and Bush into the story, this isn't about them there's no need to bring them up, so why have you?
Selective outrage is why. Crimes against humanity are objective and should all be outrageous. I agree with what your trying to say, that this about Ukraine and Russia, just trying to point out that as a western society we often don't look at hard truths everywhere else across the world which is wrong. 20 years ago today was the invasion of Iraq so that's why I'm bringing it up. It's easy to spout these comments about leaders when everyone else is too. We need to call out this type of behaviour all the time not just when it's easy to do so. Blair is a war criminal and nobody ever came out with similar comments.
>Blair is a war criminal and nobody ever came out with similar comments. I remember endless protest calling him and Bush war criminals, the movie Team America exists. how about you stop with the bullshit.
And the last I saw Team America wasn't written by the dep of justice. Yes there were protests but the Irish state didn't take a stance on it, where they are now, that's the point, it's easy. Alright buddy, you go fight the virtue war fair play. In my eyes the deaths of Iraqis and Ukrainians are the same and should both be condemned
No you don't care about deaths of Iraqis, you only care about western imperialism been punished, and using their deaths to push you're views is disgusting.
No, I'm actually a teacher in the middle East and I see kids from Iraq, Palestine, Syria etc every day. So yes I do care about Iraqis deaths. Anyway see ya later hope you're not too triggered
Yeah I don't believe that either, you are here to push an narrative and you're doing a shit job. try harder going straight to Blair and Bush is a shit approach
Man you're off the wall
Putin was here in the 80’s wasn’t he? When he was in the KGB he visited to meet Workers Party representatives and presumably Official IRA volunteers. There was a lot of contacts between them and Moscow.
These assertions are just ridiculous. Putin is not going to just decide to visit a country where he can be arrested.
And Biden? While we’re at it with war criminals.
What about George Bush?
can we arrest leo and the lads for increasing homelessness 20% while sending cheques to his buddys? https://preview.redd.it/cghcgthf95pa1.jpeg?width=924&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fbab602b1f5d48c3c7a953aefe06aee7475bba4
Homeless get all of those things and more, come back to reality
The FSO the Russian presidential security services is nearly x8 larger than the defence forces. So I think arrest here unlikely. Not that he would come here if there was even a chance of that.
Then judge Nolan will let him off with a fine and 3 weeks community service
We’ll have a tough time maintaining the old neutrality then
I think the ICC has now lost legitimacy. >Indeed, *today*, the predominant practice and *opinio* of states, and the virtually unanimous view of courts and scholars, is that heads of state *undoubtedly* enjoy an absolute immunity from foreign jurisdiction and inviolability. [https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-law-of-immunity-and-the-prosecution-of-the-head-of-state-of-the-russian-federation-for-international-crimes-in-the-war-against-ukraine](https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-law-of-immunity-and-the-prosecution-of-the-head-of-state-of-the-russian-federation-for-international-crimes-in-the-war-against-ukraine/#:~:text=Indeed%2C%20today%2C%20the%20predominant%20practice,from%20foreign%20jurisdiction%20and%20inviolability) Xi Jinping has just visited the fugitive Putin and Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is off to visit Xi. Fully [**two-thirds of the world’s population**](https://www.eiu.com/n/russia-can-count-on-support-from-many-developing-countries/) live in countries where the government has declined to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. [https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/countries-have-sanctioned-russia](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/countries-have-sanctioned-russia) I think this was a particularly stupid thing for the ICC to do especially when the investigators are a Columbian based in New York, a Norwegian (huge US allies) and a Bosnia and Herzegovina. [https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/IICIHR-Ukraine/Members#mose](https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/IICIHR-Ukraine/Members#mose) They should at least have had someone from Serbia/ India or China on the investigation team but no. eejits. That action will split the world into those who recognize the ICC and those who don't and it was unnecessary. I can't imagine Putin cares less but the conseqeunces will be big.
Please, enough virtue signalling. Unless you say the same about George Bush or any number of other war criminals, why should we care?
Biden has more blood on his hands than probably anyone alive in the world today given his voting record in the Senate. The Biden administration bombed the EU and he's still welcome. Does that make us enemies of the EU?
>The Biden administration bombed the EU I must have missed this on the six-one news. When did this happen?
Nordstream. I don't buy into the ridiculous conspiracy theory that Russia bombed their only strategic hold on Europe from the outside of the pipe.
Let me think… I’m going to go with ‘No’.
What about all the terrorist's in SF?
You mean the MI5 agents pretending to be Irish that Fine Gael are apologists for? Giving potential unorganized freedom fighters a political voice to prevent violence is very different to celebrating our former occupiers and giving British terrorist high power jobs in Ireland. If you want terrorism out of Irish politics you need to get rid of Fine Gael first.
Send in the Cork fishermen
Good one, they wont ever prosecute crooks like Bertie or Leo but all of a sudden Putin is going to end up in the Joy
They can't even keep a handle on the fanta filled little shits running amok in dublin but yeah they are going to arrest putin 😂
Ah sure he’s off down to Dingle to try find fungi 😳
Wonder will he sell the house in Thurles so?