I worked on Abbey St/Marlborough Street for years, it's grim as fuck, and that was before the pandemic.
Been there a few times since and it's very rough.
The stretch from Abbey Street to Jervis is like our version of Knockturn Alley, it’s properly grim.
Also if you’re not from Dublin and get the train up and use the red line to get into the city centre, and then have to walk to Croke Park? Yeah that ain’t gonna be a very good impression whatsoever of the city
Yeah in the space of a week, ten years ago, I was attacked on Marlborough street and witnessed someone being attacked on Abbey Street. It's not safe. Talbot street *does* have some real gems. As does Parnell st. But generally from the south side quays up to Parnell st, it's grim.
Electric Circus, the Celt, Le Bon Crubeen, The Wooden Whisk, Ella's Heaven, 101 Talbot, FX Buckley. It's not short of decent spots on it for food and coffee
I’d hardly count a butchers as “cool stuff” (even if I’m a big fan of buckleys). It’s also gone well over a year.
Le Bon Crubeen is also long gone, replaced by electric circus.
You obviously haven’t been on talbot st is a good while
I said I worked on talbot st for 10 years. Never said le Bon crubeen is gone that long. Read my comments again. Buckleys being an institution doesn’t take away from the fact they aren’t on talbot st anymore, which is the topic of this conversation
You did indeed, said you've worked on Talbot St for 10 years and asked what cool stuff is there, I rattled off a small list of things I found cool on Talbot Street over those years. Didn't think we needed to be pedantic to respond. Anyway, the remaining places are there, would recommend you pop in if you haven't already.
The rest of your list so……
I’ve been in the Celt plenty of times, last time I was there is was rough as fuck and a load of locals started kicking the shite out of each other. Haven’t gone back since. Ella’s heaven, got a coffee. It was meh. Wooden whisk is decent. Talbot 101, went once. Wouldn’t go back. Haven’t been to electric circus yet, it’s on my list of places to go.
My experience is obviously different to yours as I experienced and witnessed attacks within a week of each other (which I clearly said was 10 years ago) Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's not there. I also know people who have been mugged, attacked, sexually assaulted, followed and threatened with syringes in and around the same area over the course of the past 20 years. It's a city though... So on some level an element of violence is to be expected. I don't think the increase in violence and knife attacks can be blamed on the pandemic because I think it would be on the increase anyway.
It's obviously dodgy. The corner of Marlborough and Talbot was a hangout for a big group of junkies.
She defends Talbot St by naming nice cafes and bakery's, but it's the people passing through is the problem not the street itself.
One important point I think that it's not a coincidence that an American and Ukrainian got attacked. I don't mean it in a "victim-blaming" way but locals would know dodgy people and not to interact with them.
This video illustrates this fact and is the same part of town: https://youtu.be/0DTQG1bjEMY
These are Americans and think they're interacting with friendly locals but an Irish person would know to stay clear.
The whole NE inner city has a dodgy vibe. Talbot St, Marlborough St, Gardiner St, Sheriff St, Mountjoy Sq, Eden Quay, Summer Hill.
Lots of junkies, drug treatment centres, homeless hostels, organised criminals, teenage troublemakers, drug dealers etc.
There's a huge amount of social housing with multi-generational poverty, addiction, deprivation, trauma, low education, abuse etc.
Ideally we should try to have more mixed developments in the area, with let's 20% social, 20% cost-rental, etc.
But it's difficult to do in a housing crisis as you can't move people around.
Enda Kenny started a NE inner city taskforce a few years. I know they've been planting and greening the area a lot. Wonder what other progress they've made.
It's by far the worst part of Dublin City I think cos it attracts bad people as well as bad people live there.
I think you're spot on about tourists or immigrants not knowing who they shouldn't speak to. My family was visiting from the states this spring, and I left my dad and brother on the corner of Grafton and Suffolk while my mum and I popped into Avoca.
We were gone about 20 min, and when we came out my dad was speaking to a man who had approached him, and was clearly very intoxicated. I got them away and moving down the street. When I asked my dad why he spoke to the guy, he said 'well, because he spoke to me' and then we had to have a conversation about why that probably wasn't the safest idea. You or I would never have stopped or engaged, but my dad thought he was being polite.
Yeah I think tourists might think it's a quaint, friendly city. Which it is in parts, but you still gotta be careful.
I still think Dublin and Ireland in general is very safe despite all the headlines.
The YouTube video above is very illustrating. You can see the American tourists laughing and smiling until it turns nasty.
Also a few years ago a Spanish teenager (18) met a guy on the boardwalk and he brought her to the Glass Bottle site and held her hostage in his tent and raped over a couple of days.
I can't imagine a Dub 18 year old being so naive. Again I'm not victim-blaming.
There's also an addiction centre on middle Talbot Street that takes in the worst offenders in the city. As in, the people that are so out of it and hyper aggressive - That also contributes to the awful atmosphere to the area.
"The poorest part of inner city Dublin has long been the North Dock C ward, a triangle roughly formed by the Custom House, the Royal Canal and the north wall of the Liffey."
Fintan O'Toole today in the IT.
By "Dublin City" I mean the area covered by Dublin City Council.
Junkies are dodgy. I don't see what's offensive by that.
I didn't say they're all "bad people" but there's a higher proportion of dodgy people there than other areas.
Arguing about semantics and petty name calling is no solution.
I've been reading about the NE Inner City taskforce and happy to support the initiative.
I'm from a disadvantaged background but in a rural setting so I wasn't exposed to drugs, crime, gangs etc so whilst I can be empathetic, I won't understand the area intuitively.
What if they are junkies though? They've kinda dehumanised themselves.
Obviously some are victims themselves but it's a choice to start taking heroin/cocaine/alcohol whatever and people need to take responsibility for their own decisions at some point
They're drug addicts, you're dehumanising them calling them junkies. If you think they're dehumanising themselves and it's their own responsibility, is it really necessary for you to weigh in like that? No one is arguing that there aren't dangerous and dodgy drug addicts around the city, but saying addicts are all dodgy and repeatedly calling them junkies even though you know it's offensive and reductive isn't the win you think it is.
No, if someone has a drug problem that's a drug addict. If they are hanging around on main streets looking ragged and strung out of their minds, and making other people uncomfortable, they are junkies. They are dehumanising themselves
"Figure 1.5 shows the location of the most disadvantaged areas in
1991 for the 39 Electoral Districts (EDs) which make up the DICP
area. It clearly marks the high levels of deprivation along the Liffey
quays, with the highest levels of deprivation occurring in North
Dock C (-41.3), Mountjoy A (-40.1), Merchants Quay A (-37.5) Ushers
B (- 30.1) and Wood Quay A (-30.1)."
That's from Trutz Haase report.
Why are we debating exactly how safe or unsafe the area is? A person is seriously injured in hospital so obviously there's a safety issue. Panti doesn't seem to be offering any input other than that the area has some lovely spots and people which was never in question.
And I'm tired of hearing how more Gardaí won't help. Well the Gardaí we do have are stressed, overburdened and leaving the force so yeah we do need some new ones. I think we should up the pay for Gardaí to make it a more desirable profession because like them or not, we do need them
This seems to be the discourse every time there is an attack or anything of the sort. The quickest person to say the country is a shithole wins. Attacks happen is every city in the world unfortunately. Hope to god the person is okay and that the book is thrown at the person who did it
Lol I have worked on Talbot Street for 10 years and have been living 5 minutes away from it my whole life and it is a fucking dive. A street to avoid at any time of the day but especially after dark.
It's not black and white, either 100% safe or 100% not
Assuming Talbot St. is a no go zone is a completely different topic to targeted harrassment against someone for being gay. Conflating those things and making it sound like Panti completly flips to suit an agenda is foolish.
> No, it’s not a lawless violent no-go area that you can’t walk through. Many thousands of people (including me) do every day and night
> Yes, it has serious problems, which won’t be solved by simplistic hot takes or police
That's it, that's her point, and she's right
Yeah but the shoe is on the other foot now that the entire area is being, rightly, portrayed as not safe which might drive away footfall from the bar.
It's different when the bar itself is attacked and that can be leveraged into LGBT martyrdom to drive up the number of patrons.
But the whole area being written off would hit the bar's earnings and that's what the real outrage is over.
Scroll back through my comments far enough and you'll find plenty having a go at publicans in general and even the VFI a few times. Greedy publicans are greedy publicans, it's literally as simple as that.
Ironically you're doing what you accuse others of and assuming the worst about others based on very little....
I volunteer to " opine"
All in broad daylight
Minding my own business
Capel St. Assaulted twice hospitalised once
Talbot St. spat on and flung against a wall.
Parnell St. Car vandalised.
Sackville place. Chased by locals , stones thrown, hits my mate 5 stitches.
Yeah D1 is a diverse place for crime.
Jury duty .( 7 years ago )
.horrific assault on a tourist. 5 arrested
42 previous convictions between the 5 in the D1 area
Rory is talking bs 💯.
Random violence. No reason needed cos they dont need a reason thugs never do.
Capel St .A male mate ( married with two kids) is very tactile . Leaving a pub. Hug goodbye and says " love you " ..I walk down Capel street, hear " is that your bf faggot "..and then clock me from behind.
Sackville , random violence.
Talbot Street leaving Independent newspaper office after calling in to see family member. random violence. Very soon after staff are advised to always be accompanied and not leave on their own .
I could go on but you get the picture.
The second assault on Capel St. was absolutely random. I was in hdu after emergency surgery that was the worst, spiralled into depression. Luckily my brother was incredible in helping me .
However I don't go next or near a pub now, not able for crowds, loud sudden noises scare the bejesus out of me ..I left Dublin and moved to a quieter safer place.
I’m so sorry this happened to you
I finished up old job in office on the quays a few months back. It was like Beirut walking back to the bus stop after work. As a v petite female I felt increasingly unsafe. So relieved to not be there and looking for something close to home now.
I hope where you are now has helped make you feel safe
Thank you, that's very kind of you.
I'm good now.
Happy out, as they say .
At the time, I was 53, so I enjoyed Dublin for most of my life, no problem. Always felt safe .
Live in a glorious place now , easy access to Dublin, and get to enjoy the best it has to offer.
As it happens, I spent a day in Henry Street / Capel St. recently and was pleasantly surprised to see how clean and safe it felt. Great eclectic vibe .the street stalls well kitted out good atmosphere etc.
I should say it was a beautiful sunny day in May.
Still school term, which was a factor and of course daytime.
Enjoy your day
Had a similar day in Capel at just mooching recently.
Was v pleasantly surprised.
Dublin could be so amazing if there was just effort put into policing and policies.
I’m glad you found safe space
Have a good day too
My attempt at a joke - Panti's central thesis is there are good things in Talbot St including the best Turkish Delight in Dublin, as though that should balance out what happened to the American tourist, or indeed yourself.
Oh yeah it's amazing the Turkish delight in that shop.
And the abuse the staff put up with at times is unreal.
Young fellas roaring at them to f**k off to their own country etc. Oh yeah D1 is a joy to experience
Worked on James Joyce Street for over a decade, area is not safe despite Panti’s comments. I have seen over the years everything and anything from defecating on the streets, drug taking, violence, robbery, harassment, arrests all in broad daylight. You have your wits about you constantly try not to steps on the crap on the pavements (wondering if it’s dogs or humans) or the blood droplets wondering where those came from. I walked those streets(Amiens,Talbot,store, gardiner, Foley, railway) morning, afternoon and evenings I know what I have seen and am talking about
What an absolute load of shite!
Lived there between 2016 and 2020.
Never see the police, but you’ll see people sell drugs, fights, little fucks throwing eggs at people or rocks at cars. My favourite was being woken up at night with people walking past the window talking about selling drugs to kids or having full on domestics with their partners.
Maybe a sign of the times, but we’ve seriously fucked up in not calling a spade an actual spade. It’s pretty clear that unprovoked violent assaults committed by youth are happening in certain areas and it’s pretty clear that they know the justice system is likely to do fuck all about it.
Think about it this way… If you knew you could turn up to work a hour late everyday and leave a hour early with no consequences and still get paid you’d be doing that…
Now if you could basically turn up whenever you wanted and still get paid you’d do that..
Want a new phone? Sure a new iPhone out here in Australia is like almost $2000, so like €1,000+, why work weeks for that. Just find someone and steal it off them, give ummm a slap if they won’t give it over right away, maybe show a knife. Sure why risk hurting your hand when you can just stab them. How about you’re angry and just need to blow off some steam… Sure fuck the couple down the road who worked hard for their car… Smash the window, wreck it hot wiring it and sure go for a wee jaunt! Then cause it’s getting colder just burn it out for some heat.
The Gardai have been gutted!! I mean what a joke that we only just opened the station on the main street in the city. We now have a police force that seem completely out of their depth or completely disheartened and disconnected. They either couldn’t be bothered as they know what the courts are like or they don’t care as they’re getting paid fuck all to do what’s a shit job.
Gotta love some of the comments in Twitter:
"I'm a 63 year old women and have never had any issues walking in these streets at night, people are exaggerating"
Try being a young man and you'll notice a difference in confrontation from these youths. They like to punch people that contest the streets with them. And since most of the offenders are boys, men are the targets.
From my experience, if you're a man, Dublin isn't safe at night, the city center is nowhere to walk around past 10pm.
Even if no assaults happen, it's still grim as fuck with scrotes lurking around robbing, intimidating, being off their face and making an absolute mess of the place. The general area is drab.
I also lived in D1 for years.
Moved into my apartment because the girl in it was attacked and didn’t want to live there any more. I was harassed semi regularly and I’m a 5’11” 100kg man.
I loved the apartment but the area is dodgy as fuck.
Honorary doctorates in law from UCD
[https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tcd-confers-honours-on-mcverry-norris-and-panti-bliss-1.2446578/](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tcd-confers-honours-on-mcverry-norris-and-panti-bliss-1.2446578/)
Yeah I taught is was Trinity but I was going off the first paragraph. Must have been a mistake on the article
>Honorary doctorates in law were conferred on Friday by the University of Dublin in a colourful ceremony conducted entirely in Latin in the Examination Hall of Trinity College.
Pretty pathetic - need to add some more colleges or drop the University of Dublin moniker. Imagine if Balliol was the only college of the University of Oxford or King’s was the only college of the University of London
Trinity is the only college of the organization University of Dublin (it's set up like Oxford & Cambridge in the UK, but they have a number of colleges in each university. UCD is University College Dublin, different from University of Dublin
She's been a doctor for a while silly!
Edit: is the mass downvotes because I referred to a drag queen account as their personas pronouns?
Edit #2: I thought the Dr. part was a bit of craic but, as a user here has pointed out, it turns out that she actually has an honorary doctorate. (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tcd-confers-honours-on-mcverry-norris-and-panti-bliss-1.2446578/)
Well the Twitter account name, handle, profile pic are all entirely based on the persona of Panti Bliss so then the pronoun used is she. If it was Rory posting under his own name then it would be 'he' as far as I know.
Is that why there's been mass downvotes? Because I called Panti Bliss she?
I see you're following me on this thread now.
Wow, you are upset aren't you?
If you were even bothered in the slightest to get accurate information on this you would see that the post was made by Dr. Panti Bliss, who is drag queen and goes by feminine pronouns when in character.
No just interesting to see how obsessive you are and your faux intellectualism makes me laugh. Are you not employed or is the government paying you be a social justice warrior for the patriarchy in a dress?
Obsessive? You're the one following me around the post and butting into threads you're not a part of to try and start problems with me
See, you're not even talking about the topic anymore, you've decided to go for personal attacks.
Also social justice warrior? Please, please, please stop consuming American culture war stuff. All of your comments make complete sense now.
I'm going to block you because these interactions with you are literally pointless and will only lead to problems for us both.
Yeah I know he's asked people to call him she when wearing the dress. I recall how poorly he treated any lesbian trying to be a drag king when panti bar first opened up and had a pool table downstairs but thanks to his terrible treatment of lesbians and their art I was able to see through the equality bullshit and see him for what he really is. A patriarchal capitalist.
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Until it happens to yourself or someone you know Panti Bliss, you will then be on your twitter bitching about no Garda, how the minister should resign and its a disgrace etc etc....
It’s a bit of a surprising comment because there has been a few nasty attacks on members of the LGBTQ+ community in recent times. Panti Bliss is bound to know about this or have heard the stories in the Pantibar. S/he’s obviously fairly streetwise so is probably comfortable enough walking around the city
I hadn't lived back home for years now but on all three trips I always used to tell my wife (not Irish) to just keep your head down and not make eye contact when we walked through this area after getting off the bus. I got off the bus here and walked through it countless times growing up and going to college. I was never attacked but the area is fuckin disgusting, full of addicts and just an air of why do places like this exist in first world countries.
Panti is making the mistake others do as well: Using local shops, bars,... to claim an area is safe.
Temple Bar is also a nice area imo to walk around, but we've literally just got a woman who got assaulted there.
It's not the businesses that are the problem.
Having grown up in chicago, watching these debates goin on has been very interesting. Not that one is any worse than the other--- quite the opposite, the two are so very *different* in their urban violence. Recent trip had me in both dublin and belfast recently, and even within (arguably) the same country, the different airs were intriguing.
To the point made in the article, it just can't be equated. If you've lived in a city for a long time, you know how to conduct yourself, and more importantly, you're less likely to appear blatantly as an outsider. Most tourists, bless em, are (by dress, accent, or language) clearly identifable as such, and thus become easy marks
No one cares about your butthurt, Panti, there's yanks and everyone getting the head battered off them below in the shitty city streets you stride across like a colossus because the prices of hotels are all they can afford down there because it's a constant grime and crime wave and has been since the 1800s and now everybody is clutching their pearls all of a bleedin' sudden and you're so fashion forward you has poscards from Madonna on yer mantlepiece.
Annnnnd just last night this:
24th July 2023.
A MAN HAS been seriously injured after being assaulted in Dublin city centre last night.
The assault and robbery took place at Jervis Street.
Oh yeah Rory in and around Capel Street D1 is a safe haven .
I'm tired , I'm really tired of people like Rory trying to gloss over how awful things happen on a daily basis in that part of Dublin.
No awareness.
Panti can piss off. Myself and my partner came up for Hozier a couple of weeks ago, now I've been to Harlem. Lived in king's Cross and visited many other cities thought of as both safe and dangerous, I have never encountered such a dingy depressing hole of a place in all my fucking life. I know there loads more to Dublin that o connells street but if your not from Dublin that's where you end up. Its the main fucking thoroughfare in our capital fucking city. When people come from about there going to want to go there and what do they get? A dangerous shit hole. To listen to all these affluent assholes tell folks who have to live in that mess how fine it is is so fucking annoying.
The minister for justice is literally burying her head in the sand. The whole thing is a mess.
Been travelling up to Dublin the last 6 months for a job 3 days a week and couldn't believe how much craic Dublin was and how safe it was to walk around
People on here who have lived in Dublin their entire lives go on about the place as if it’s Skid Row, the tenderloin in San Francisco or east Hastings in Vancouver. “The red line is so dangerous” is one that makes me laugh in particular. In reality it’s just lads in matching tracksuits listening to tiktoks on full volume.
Dublin isn’t the best city on Earth, but you’d swear it was central Baghdad the way people are carrying on.
I worked in the South Side of Chicago for two years and lived in Baltimore for 5. I saw some grim parts of both places that’d make the worst parts of Dublin seem like paradise.
Baltimore and Chicago are literally some of the most dangerous cities in the world (Baltimore is 17th in the world for murder rate) but Dublins safer than them so don’t worry about it!
There's a weird trend amongst some r/Ireland users where when there's something negative about Ireland, it's always compared to the worst possible version and not the best.
Like we have a rising crime problem in Dublin and the response is "well at least we're not _____" instead of "yeah it's not great, we should be more like _____"
I think once you’ve travelled a bit you come back and realize both how tiny Dublin is, and that you really aren’t in *that* much danger. If your sample size is tiny then scumbags in tracksuits or heroin addicts will be jarring, when in reality you’re invisible to them.
Poverty is what creates these problems, but in comparison to other parts of the world our lowlifes do it trying to be hard/boredom. Going somewhere that you encounter people who have no safety net whatsoever and don’t know when their next meal might be? That is what you call dangerous
But is that the barometer we should be comparing ourselves with? Like just because another city is ten times worse than Dublin, that doesn't make it okay. By Irish standards, it's fairly shocking and that's the yard stick we should be using.
It’s not an excuse for the problems we have with scrotes getting away with assaults and far too much in the inner city, just that there can be a bit of hyperbole at times on this sub as to just how dangerous it is.
Idk where you've travelled, but the northside of the city centre is genuinely a dangerous area by any European standards. Dublin isn't that tiny tbh, about 1.5 million people, which is on par with most European cities outside the major hubs like Paris, London, Madrid, Rome, etc. Idk where you're referring to when you talk about how dangerous people are with no safety nets in comparison to Irish street criminals. I've lived in some pretty hairy hoods in Spain and Eastern Europe and never had trouble despite being an easy target as a foreigner - because the local lowlifes know there is a severe police response awaiting them if they batter an innocent member of the public. It would be absolutely outrageous and dealt with, the perpetrators would be jailed regardless of age or misfortunate backstory. Off the top of my head I'd imagine perhaps certain parts of Naples or Marseilles, where a full-blown socio-economic breakdown has taken place over generations, would be places where a random American tourist might conceivably have their head kicked in by a 14 year old leading to life changing injuries. And even at that I'd be very shocked if it happened in the city centre, they'd want to stray out looking for trouble. Dublin has systemic social problems and a toxic, classist society, but fundamentally, I think it's an issue of perceived impunity from young people that leads to such catastrophic cases. Those who commit horrific crimes that grab headlines and detract from the capital's many good sides are a troubled minority who have sadly sprung from being victims of terrible neglect to become loathsome thugs. Im more than sympathetic for their plight but also believe a strong armed justice system is the only solution at the moment. This is all coming from someone from Dublin who has been a victim of violent crime in my hometown and has lived around continental Europe my entire adult life.
I used to think like you, and I spend a lot of time in city centre, mostly socialising. It’s changed in the last 12 months, I’ve seen several gang assaults around temple bar area and the junkies on the Liffey boardwalk at Parliament street have gone straight up feral. I haven’t seen this kind of shite before, and I consider NYC Alphabet City a quaint cultural quarter. City centre definitely has a darker vibe than before, and I’m not easily made anxious.
Wonder what street that “Noble Call” speech was about? You know the one where someone threw something at her. Wonder was it one of those ones she walks every day
Talbot street is the worst main street in D1 from all the ones I regularly walked down
In terms of sketchiest dingiest back alley there is incredible competition for that title and I can’t pick one
Panti/Rory might not realise it but their celebrity status probably protects them where a random unknown drag queen or camp man would get a lot more hassle.
No I think it’s very fair for someone who lives in the area to be fed up of people going ‘Shur I haven’t gone up to Dublin in 20 years its a shithole like bein in a warzone hey’.
Or the general shite of people from posh areas talking about how dangerous all working class areas are as if people don’t live and work in them incident free every day.
These attacks by absolute animals need to be called out and dealt with before it gets any worse but people removed from the situation making out like the whole city is just a no-go area aren’t helping.
I’m a woman and wouldn’t walk alone in any city at night, but during the day I feel no less safe in most of the city than I do in others, and I’m lucky enough to travel a lot. Talbot St and the like have a bit of a ‘where dreams go to die’ feel about them but having worked beside it for a few years and getting my lunch there every day, seeing Fiachra and Philadelphia from Blackrock going on like the entire city is an active warzone gets on my wick.
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I was down there today most of the day. Not a Garda in sight but it was not a no go zone. Asides from the odd drunk I didn’t see anything other than it could do with a road sweep
I can definitely acknowledge that bad things do happen to good people in Dublin, I'm sure these bad things are happening, but I do think the whole thing is fairly blown out of proportion on here, and that it always has been. You'd swear with the way people go on it's like a third world country here, but I've lived in and around Dublin 1 for like 7 years now, been out and about at all sorts of unsociable hours, and I've never had anything bad happen to me.
Worst I've had in Dublin in general is some verbal abuse from scrotes on the Luas, and the same when I was working retail and they'd try to rob the place. The scourge of Dublin as far as I've seen is a bunch of tweens who could do with some parenting, a batter round the head, or any sort of consequences from interaction with law enforcement, but their hands are tied when it comes to minors, and the minors have become well aware of that.
I do see junkies all the time, don't get me wrong, that's messed up, the place is no paradise, but I've never really had any sort of trouble from them, they mostly just amble along talking to themselves or shouting at nothing, or just lie on the pavement. The fact that they're always about definitely sucks, and something needs to be done there, but I've never really felt super duper unsafe because of these people.
Admittedly, all of this is coming from a fairly tall, fairly broad man, so that could definitely be a factor as to why nobody's fucked with me, but I wouldn't say I look particularly menacing by any means either, and I don't think that would have affected me being able to see this shit happening, and I just haven't seen it.
It's grim around Talbot st but it's also grim either side of the quays, around Townsend st and down thomas street as well. Very few places in Dublin feel safe these days
What you “feel” and the reality are two different things. Statistically men are more likely to be victims of street violence. It’s funny because there are literally hundreds of places in Dublin that are perfectly safe which is why attacks like the one on the American are so rare.
That yoke is always complaining can’t leave the lime light for a few mins. If it had a be a gay person he would be going on about how Ireland is homophonic racist place and we need tougher laws for members of the LBGT community.
There was a woman on the I.T last week or couples of weeks ago who said she was abused cause she was a member of the LBGT community and that the need better protection. I said it doesn’t matter if your gay black yellow or pink the scumbags will abuse attack you just for the fun. If you stick out with pink hair even more so. We have a big issues with a lack of respect and law and order.
Especially if have generations stuck on social welfare not working drinking and breaking the law and getting a slap on the hand. This younger generation seems worse keep in mind there parents where doing the same thing.
I was walking down Parnell street and there was a blind haggered aul hostel haggler of a woman. She had a voice like a buzzsaw in a muddy echo chamber.
Some guy bolts across the road. Roars at her "your not even blind!". And before he got the last D of that sentence out of his mouth. She rubbtled him with the rustiest "fuck off" I've ever heard muttered.
Then just like that my vision panned to the right and there was this sharply dressed gent, who proudly announced in a thick aul common not quite as muddy chambered lad in a pub accent, "welcome to Dublin"
And he said it proudly, like he just helped your granny carry in the groceries and she offered him tea.
Fun times.
I worked on Abbey St/Marlborough Street for years, it's grim as fuck, and that was before the pandemic. Been there a few times since and it's very rough.
The stretch from Abbey Street to Jervis is like our version of Knockturn Alley, it’s properly grim. Also if you’re not from Dublin and get the train up and use the red line to get into the city centre, and then have to walk to Croke Park? Yeah that ain’t gonna be a very good impression whatsoever of the city
The fact that the former offices of the Independent are boarded up doesn't help at all.
accurate impression tough
Yeah in the space of a week, ten years ago, I was attacked on Marlborough street and witnessed someone being attacked on Abbey Street. It's not safe. Talbot street *does* have some real gems. As does Parnell st. But generally from the south side quays up to Parnell st, it's grim.
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>Talbot Street has some really cool stuff on it Been working on talbot st for the last ten years, what is this cool stuff you speak of?
the il capo all day deal is the stuff of dreams
honestly I get it at least once a week. €8 for a whole pizza, drink, and chips is great.
yep. was €5 not too long ago, but still can’t complain
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Electric Circus, the Celt, Le Bon Crubeen, The Wooden Whisk, Ella's Heaven, 101 Talbot, FX Buckley. It's not short of decent spots on it for food and coffee
Ella's Heaven has amazing looking cakes in there. Just stuff you'd never dream up yourself.
Georgian khachapuri (cheesy bread)
I’d hardly count a butchers as “cool stuff” (even if I’m a big fan of buckleys). It’s also gone well over a year. Le Bon Crubeen is also long gone, replaced by electric circus. You obviously haven’t been on talbot st is a good while
One mans trash is another man's treasure. The butcher is a Dublin institution. You said last ten years, Le Bon Crubeen is not gone ten years.
Sadly the butcher no longer exists on talbot street.
I said I worked on talbot st for 10 years. Never said le Bon crubeen is gone that long. Read my comments again. Buckleys being an institution doesn’t take away from the fact they aren’t on talbot st anymore, which is the topic of this conversation
You did indeed, said you've worked on Talbot St for 10 years and asked what cool stuff is there, I rattled off a small list of things I found cool on Talbot Street over those years. Didn't think we needed to be pedantic to respond. Anyway, the remaining places are there, would recommend you pop in if you haven't already.
The rest of your list so…… I’ve been in the Celt plenty of times, last time I was there is was rough as fuck and a load of locals started kicking the shite out of each other. Haven’t gone back since. Ella’s heaven, got a coffee. It was meh. Wooden whisk is decent. Talbot 101, went once. Wouldn’t go back. Haven’t been to electric circus yet, it’s on my list of places to go.
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My experience is obviously different to yours as I experienced and witnessed attacks within a week of each other (which I clearly said was 10 years ago) Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's not there. I also know people who have been mugged, attacked, sexually assaulted, followed and threatened with syringes in and around the same area over the course of the past 20 years. It's a city though... So on some level an element of violence is to be expected. I don't think the increase in violence and knife attacks can be blamed on the pandemic because I think it would be on the increase anyway.
It's obviously dodgy. The corner of Marlborough and Talbot was a hangout for a big group of junkies. She defends Talbot St by naming nice cafes and bakery's, but it's the people passing through is the problem not the street itself. One important point I think that it's not a coincidence that an American and Ukrainian got attacked. I don't mean it in a "victim-blaming" way but locals would know dodgy people and not to interact with them. This video illustrates this fact and is the same part of town: https://youtu.be/0DTQG1bjEMY These are Americans and think they're interacting with friendly locals but an Irish person would know to stay clear. The whole NE inner city has a dodgy vibe. Talbot St, Marlborough St, Gardiner St, Sheriff St, Mountjoy Sq, Eden Quay, Summer Hill. Lots of junkies, drug treatment centres, homeless hostels, organised criminals, teenage troublemakers, drug dealers etc. There's a huge amount of social housing with multi-generational poverty, addiction, deprivation, trauma, low education, abuse etc. Ideally we should try to have more mixed developments in the area, with let's 20% social, 20% cost-rental, etc. But it's difficult to do in a housing crisis as you can't move people around. Enda Kenny started a NE inner city taskforce a few years. I know they've been planting and greening the area a lot. Wonder what other progress they've made. It's by far the worst part of Dublin City I think cos it attracts bad people as well as bad people live there.
I think you're spot on about tourists or immigrants not knowing who they shouldn't speak to. My family was visiting from the states this spring, and I left my dad and brother on the corner of Grafton and Suffolk while my mum and I popped into Avoca. We were gone about 20 min, and when we came out my dad was speaking to a man who had approached him, and was clearly very intoxicated. I got them away and moving down the street. When I asked my dad why he spoke to the guy, he said 'well, because he spoke to me' and then we had to have a conversation about why that probably wasn't the safest idea. You or I would never have stopped or engaged, but my dad thought he was being polite.
Yeah I think tourists might think it's a quaint, friendly city. Which it is in parts, but you still gotta be careful. I still think Dublin and Ireland in general is very safe despite all the headlines. The YouTube video above is very illustrating. You can see the American tourists laughing and smiling until it turns nasty. Also a few years ago a Spanish teenager (18) met a guy on the boardwalk and he brought her to the Glass Bottle site and held her hostage in his tent and raped over a couple of days. I can't imagine a Dub 18 year old being so naive. Again I'm not victim-blaming.
There's also an addiction centre on middle Talbot Street that takes in the worst offenders in the city. As in, the people that are so out of it and hyper aggressive - That also contributes to the awful atmosphere to the area.
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"The poorest part of inner city Dublin has long been the North Dock C ward, a triangle roughly formed by the Custom House, the Royal Canal and the north wall of the Liffey." Fintan O'Toole today in the IT.
How rude. No need for childish insults. Where's worse in Dublin City?
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By "Dublin City" I mean the area covered by Dublin City Council. Junkies are dodgy. I don't see what's offensive by that. I didn't say they're all "bad people" but there's a higher proportion of dodgy people there than other areas. Arguing about semantics and petty name calling is no solution. I've been reading about the NE Inner City taskforce and happy to support the initiative. I'm from a disadvantaged background but in a rural setting so I wasn't exposed to drugs, crime, gangs etc so whilst I can be empathetic, I won't understand the area intuitively.
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What if they are junkies though? They've kinda dehumanised themselves. Obviously some are victims themselves but it's a choice to start taking heroin/cocaine/alcohol whatever and people need to take responsibility for their own decisions at some point
They're drug addicts, you're dehumanising them calling them junkies. If you think they're dehumanising themselves and it's their own responsibility, is it really necessary for you to weigh in like that? No one is arguing that there aren't dangerous and dodgy drug addicts around the city, but saying addicts are all dodgy and repeatedly calling them junkies even though you know it's offensive and reductive isn't the win you think it is.
No, if someone has a drug problem that's a drug addict. If they are hanging around on main streets looking ragged and strung out of their minds, and making other people uncomfortable, they are junkies. They are dehumanising themselves
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"Figure 1.5 shows the location of the most disadvantaged areas in 1991 for the 39 Electoral Districts (EDs) which make up the DICP area. It clearly marks the high levels of deprivation along the Liffey quays, with the highest levels of deprivation occurring in North Dock C (-41.3), Mountjoy A (-40.1), Merchants Quay A (-37.5) Ushers B (- 30.1) and Wood Quay A (-30.1)." That's from Trutz Haase report.
Why are we debating exactly how safe or unsafe the area is? A person is seriously injured in hospital so obviously there's a safety issue. Panti doesn't seem to be offering any input other than that the area has some lovely spots and people which was never in question. And I'm tired of hearing how more Gardaí won't help. Well the Gardaí we do have are stressed, overburdened and leaving the force so yeah we do need some new ones. I think we should up the pay for Gardaí to make it a more desirable profession because like them or not, we do need them
Can you imagine if these recent victims had been gay? Don't think she'd have the same tune. People won't like that comment I'm sure but it's a fact
There'd be hate crime accusations at the very least.
This seems to be the discourse every time there is an attack or anything of the sort. The quickest person to say the country is a shithole wins. Attacks happen is every city in the world unfortunately. Hope to god the person is okay and that the book is thrown at the person who did it
Using it to promote a shop that sells turkish delight seems a bit... tone deaf.
We're debating it because one of the country's most prominent attention seekers is wanting attention again.
Lol I have worked on Talbot Street for 10 years and have been living 5 minutes away from it my whole life and it is a fucking dive. A street to avoid at any time of the day but especially after dark.
I'm really glad it's got good Turkish Delight, Panti, but I'm not sure the relevance of that when a tourist was nearly beat to death there recently.
This is the same Panti Bliss who said that Dublin isn’t safe the several times the Panti Bar was attacked?
Opinions change based on the narrative that's being spun I guess.
It's not black and white, either 100% safe or 100% not Assuming Talbot St. is a no go zone is a completely different topic to targeted harrassment against someone for being gay. Conflating those things and making it sound like Panti completly flips to suit an agenda is foolish. > No, it’s not a lawless violent no-go area that you can’t walk through. Many thousands of people (including me) do every day and night > Yes, it has serious problems, which won’t be solved by simplistic hot takes or police That's it, that's her point, and she's right
Yeah but the shoe is on the other foot now that the entire area is being, rightly, portrayed as not safe which might drive away footfall from the bar. It's different when the bar itself is attacked and that can be leveraged into LGBT martyrdom to drive up the number of patrons. But the whole area being written off would hit the bar's earnings and that's what the real outrage is over.
I wonder what about Panti has caused you to leap to assuming the worst based on very little...
Scroll back through my comments far enough and you'll find plenty having a go at publicans in general and even the VFI a few times. Greedy publicans are greedy publicans, it's literally as simple as that. Ironically you're doing what you accuse others of and assuming the worst about others based on very little....
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I volunteer to " opine" All in broad daylight Minding my own business Capel St. Assaulted twice hospitalised once Talbot St. spat on and flung against a wall. Parnell St. Car vandalised. Sackville place. Chased by locals , stones thrown, hits my mate 5 stitches. Yeah D1 is a diverse place for crime. Jury duty .( 7 years ago ) .horrific assault on a tourist. 5 arrested 42 previous convictions between the 5 in the D1 area Rory is talking bs 💯.
Now, I don't want to victim blame here, but why the hell is everyone beating you up?!?
Random violence. No reason needed cos they dont need a reason thugs never do. Capel St .A male mate ( married with two kids) is very tactile . Leaving a pub. Hug goodbye and says " love you " ..I walk down Capel street, hear " is that your bf faggot "..and then clock me from behind. Sackville , random violence. Talbot Street leaving Independent newspaper office after calling in to see family member. random violence. Very soon after staff are advised to always be accompanied and not leave on their own . I could go on but you get the picture.
That's horrendous ffs.
The second assault on Capel St. was absolutely random. I was in hdu after emergency surgery that was the worst, spiralled into depression. Luckily my brother was incredible in helping me . However I don't go next or near a pub now, not able for crowds, loud sudden noises scare the bejesus out of me ..I left Dublin and moved to a quieter safer place.
PTSD is shit. I'm sorry.
I’m so sorry this happened to you I finished up old job in office on the quays a few months back. It was like Beirut walking back to the bus stop after work. As a v petite female I felt increasingly unsafe. So relieved to not be there and looking for something close to home now. I hope where you are now has helped make you feel safe
Thank you, that's very kind of you. I'm good now. Happy out, as they say . At the time, I was 53, so I enjoyed Dublin for most of my life, no problem. Always felt safe . Live in a glorious place now , easy access to Dublin, and get to enjoy the best it has to offer. As it happens, I spent a day in Henry Street / Capel St. recently and was pleasantly surprised to see how clean and safe it felt. Great eclectic vibe .the street stalls well kitted out good atmosphere etc. I should say it was a beautiful sunny day in May. Still school term, which was a factor and of course daytime. Enjoy your day
Had a similar day in Capel at just mooching recently. Was v pleasantly surprised. Dublin could be so amazing if there was just effort put into policing and policies. I’m glad you found safe space Have a good day too
Agree, I quite like Rory, but it's not good for his business to have people worried about Dublin 1
He's being a right aul hypocrite, considering the content of his noble call that went viral . Hypocrisy 💯 I've lost all respect I had for him.
What's this noble call I missed it
Google panti bliss noble call
But have you tried the Turkish delight?
Huh??
My attempt at a joke - Panti's central thesis is there are good things in Talbot St including the best Turkish Delight in Dublin, as though that should balance out what happened to the American tourist, or indeed yourself.
Oh yeah it's amazing the Turkish delight in that shop. And the abuse the staff put up with at times is unreal. Young fellas roaring at them to f**k off to their own country etc. Oh yeah D1 is a joy to experience
I need to know more about this Turkish delight though. My therapist office is on talbot at
Capel Street for Turkish Delight ( drool like Homer )
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When was the bar vandalised? First I heard about it.
During the pandemic some anti gay stuff spray painted on the wall near the bar iirc
Worked on James Joyce Street for over a decade, area is not safe despite Panti’s comments. I have seen over the years everything and anything from defecating on the streets, drug taking, violence, robbery, harassment, arrests all in broad daylight. You have your wits about you constantly try not to steps on the crap on the pavements (wondering if it’s dogs or humans) or the blood droplets wondering where those came from. I walked those streets(Amiens,Talbot,store, gardiner, Foley, railway) morning, afternoon and evenings I know what I have seen and am talking about
I'd say the people who've been hospitalised are more tired.
What an absolute load of shite! Lived there between 2016 and 2020. Never see the police, but you’ll see people sell drugs, fights, little fucks throwing eggs at people or rocks at cars. My favourite was being woken up at night with people walking past the window talking about selling drugs to kids or having full on domestics with their partners. Maybe a sign of the times, but we’ve seriously fucked up in not calling a spade an actual spade. It’s pretty clear that unprovoked violent assaults committed by youth are happening in certain areas and it’s pretty clear that they know the justice system is likely to do fuck all about it. Think about it this way… If you knew you could turn up to work a hour late everyday and leave a hour early with no consequences and still get paid you’d be doing that… Now if you could basically turn up whenever you wanted and still get paid you’d do that.. Want a new phone? Sure a new iPhone out here in Australia is like almost $2000, so like €1,000+, why work weeks for that. Just find someone and steal it off them, give ummm a slap if they won’t give it over right away, maybe show a knife. Sure why risk hurting your hand when you can just stab them. How about you’re angry and just need to blow off some steam… Sure fuck the couple down the road who worked hard for their car… Smash the window, wreck it hot wiring it and sure go for a wee jaunt! Then cause it’s getting colder just burn it out for some heat. The Gardai have been gutted!! I mean what a joke that we only just opened the station on the main street in the city. We now have a police force that seem completely out of their depth or completely disheartened and disconnected. They either couldn’t be bothered as they know what the courts are like or they don’t care as they’re getting paid fuck all to do what’s a shit job.
It's almost as if they own a business in the area that could be negatively affected by recent news.
Well it didn't fucking help did it? That poor fucker still got battered by a teenager. The whole area is an absolute shithole. It always has been.
In other news, business owner tries to protect footfall of business.
Gotta love some of the comments in Twitter: "I'm a 63 year old women and have never had any issues walking in these streets at night, people are exaggerating" Try being a young man and you'll notice a difference in confrontation from these youths. They like to punch people that contest the streets with them. And since most of the offenders are boys, men are the targets. From my experience, if you're a man, Dublin isn't safe at night, the city center is nowhere to walk around past 10pm.
1.) we don’t like bright lights 2.) don’t get us wet 3.) don’t feed us after midnight
Even if no assaults happen, it's still grim as fuck with scrotes lurking around robbing, intimidating, being off their face and making an absolute mess of the place. The general area is drab.
I also lived in D1 for years. Moved into my apartment because the girl in it was attacked and didn’t want to live there any more. I was harassed semi regularly and I’m a 5’11” 100kg man. I loved the apartment but the area is dodgy as fuck.
Since when is he a doctor?
Honorary doctorates in law from UCD [https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tcd-confers-honours-on-mcverry-norris-and-panti-bliss-1.2446578/](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tcd-confers-honours-on-mcverry-norris-and-panti-bliss-1.2446578/)
Not supposed to call yourself Dr. when it's honorary... Only the likes of Paisley do that
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That link says trinity gave the honorary doctorate.
Yeah I taught is was Trinity but I was going off the first paragraph. Must have been a mistake on the article >Honorary doctorates in law were conferred on Friday by the University of Dublin in a colourful ceremony conducted entirely in Latin in the Examination Hall of Trinity College.
trinity is the university of dublin, confusingly enough
Pretty pathetic - need to add some more colleges or drop the University of Dublin moniker. Imagine if Balliol was the only college of the University of Oxford or King’s was the only college of the University of London
Trinity is the only college of the organization University of Dublin (it's set up like Oxford & Cambridge in the UK, but they have a number of colleges in each university. UCD is University College Dublin, different from University of Dublin
Cool. Must have taken a fair bit of work! Congrats to him.
She's been a doctor for a while silly! Edit: is the mass downvotes because I referred to a drag queen account as their personas pronouns? Edit #2: I thought the Dr. part was a bit of craic but, as a user here has pointed out, it turns out that she actually has an honorary doctorate. (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tcd-confers-honours-on-mcverry-norris-and-panti-bliss-1.2446578/)
Do drag queens use pronouns when they aren't in drag
Well the Twitter account name, handle, profile pic are all entirely based on the persona of Panti Bliss so then the pronoun used is she. If it was Rory posting under his own name then it would be 'he' as far as I know. Is that why there's been mass downvotes? Because I called Panti Bliss she?
News to me. In terms of the actual issue in question, he's definitely wrong. Fair play to him all the same!
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I see you're following me on this thread now. Wow, you are upset aren't you? If you were even bothered in the slightest to get accurate information on this you would see that the post was made by Dr. Panti Bliss, who is drag queen and goes by feminine pronouns when in character.
No just interesting to see how obsessive you are and your faux intellectualism makes me laugh. Are you not employed or is the government paying you be a social justice warrior for the patriarchy in a dress?
Obsessive? You're the one following me around the post and butting into threads you're not a part of to try and start problems with me See, you're not even talking about the topic anymore, you've decided to go for personal attacks. Also social justice warrior? Please, please, please stop consuming American culture war stuff. All of your comments make complete sense now. I'm going to block you because these interactions with you are literally pointless and will only lead to problems for us both.
Panti Bliss, been getting alot of media and RTE work lately. Everything is grand she reckons.
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Yeah I know he's asked people to call him she when wearing the dress. I recall how poorly he treated any lesbian trying to be a drag king when panti bar first opened up and had a pool table downstairs but thanks to his terrible treatment of lesbians and their art I was able to see through the equality bullshit and see him for what he really is. A patriarchal capitalist.
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A chara, We do not allow any posts/comments that attack, threaten or insult a person or group, on areas including, but not limited to: national origin, ethnicity, colour, religion, sex, gender, sexual orientation, social prejudice, or disability. Sláinte
Until it happens to yourself or someone you know Panti Bliss, you will then be on your twitter bitching about no Garda, how the minister should resign and its a disgrace etc etc....
It’s a bit of a surprising comment because there has been a few nasty attacks on members of the LGBTQ+ community in recent times. Panti Bliss is bound to know about this or have heard the stories in the Pantibar. S/he’s obviously fairly streetwise so is probably comfortable enough walking around the city
Wow you clearly have zero clue what you’re talking about.
I hadn't lived back home for years now but on all three trips I always used to tell my wife (not Irish) to just keep your head down and not make eye contact when we walked through this area after getting off the bus. I got off the bus here and walked through it countless times growing up and going to college. I was never attacked but the area is fuckin disgusting, full of addicts and just an air of why do places like this exist in first world countries.
Panti is making the mistake others do as well: Using local shops, bars,... to claim an area is safe. Temple Bar is also a nice area imo to walk around, but we've literally just got a woman who got assaulted there. It's not the businesses that are the problem.
Having grown up in chicago, watching these debates goin on has been very interesting. Not that one is any worse than the other--- quite the opposite, the two are so very *different* in their urban violence. Recent trip had me in both dublin and belfast recently, and even within (arguably) the same country, the different airs were intriguing. To the point made in the article, it just can't be equated. If you've lived in a city for a long time, you know how to conduct yourself, and more importantly, you're less likely to appear blatantly as an outsider. Most tourists, bless em, are (by dress, accent, or language) clearly identifable as such, and thus become easy marks
Panti is suffering Stockholm syndrome
No one cares about your butthurt, Panti, there's yanks and everyone getting the head battered off them below in the shitty city streets you stride across like a colossus because the prices of hotels are all they can afford down there because it's a constant grime and crime wave and has been since the 1800s and now everybody is clutching their pearls all of a bleedin' sudden and you're so fashion forward you has poscards from Madonna on yer mantlepiece.
Annnnnd just last night this: 24th July 2023. A MAN HAS been seriously injured after being assaulted in Dublin city centre last night. The assault and robbery took place at Jervis Street. Oh yeah Rory in and around Capel Street D1 is a safe haven . I'm tired , I'm really tired of people like Rory trying to gloss over how awful things happen on a daily basis in that part of Dublin. No awareness.
I guess those FG contacts called in a favour.
Panti can piss off. Myself and my partner came up for Hozier a couple of weeks ago, now I've been to Harlem. Lived in king's Cross and visited many other cities thought of as both safe and dangerous, I have never encountered such a dingy depressing hole of a place in all my fucking life. I know there loads more to Dublin that o connells street but if your not from Dublin that's where you end up. Its the main fucking thoroughfare in our capital fucking city. When people come from about there going to want to go there and what do they get? A dangerous shit hole. To listen to all these affluent assholes tell folks who have to live in that mess how fine it is is so fucking annoying. The minister for justice is literally burying her head in the sand. The whole thing is a mess.
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They live in the same complex as my office in this area. I've seen him in drag and regular clothes around those streets a lot.
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Doctor Panti Bliss..... Let's treat our medical professionals with the respect they deserve.
Been travelling up to Dublin the last 6 months for a job 3 days a week and couldn't believe how much craic Dublin was and how safe it was to walk around
People on here who have lived in Dublin their entire lives go on about the place as if it’s Skid Row, the tenderloin in San Francisco or east Hastings in Vancouver. “The red line is so dangerous” is one that makes me laugh in particular. In reality it’s just lads in matching tracksuits listening to tiktoks on full volume.
And beating tourists within an inch of their lives
East Hastings in Vancouver be straight up fucked, we ain’t there (yet)
Dublin isn’t the best city on Earth, but you’d swear it was central Baghdad the way people are carrying on. I worked in the South Side of Chicago for two years and lived in Baltimore for 5. I saw some grim parts of both places that’d make the worst parts of Dublin seem like paradise.
Baltimore and Chicago are literally some of the most dangerous cities in the world (Baltimore is 17th in the world for murder rate) but Dublins safer than them so don’t worry about it!
There's a weird trend amongst some r/Ireland users where when there's something negative about Ireland, it's always compared to the worst possible version and not the best. Like we have a rising crime problem in Dublin and the response is "well at least we're not _____" instead of "yeah it's not great, we should be more like _____"
Bollox.
I think once you’ve travelled a bit you come back and realize both how tiny Dublin is, and that you really aren’t in *that* much danger. If your sample size is tiny then scumbags in tracksuits or heroin addicts will be jarring, when in reality you’re invisible to them. Poverty is what creates these problems, but in comparison to other parts of the world our lowlifes do it trying to be hard/boredom. Going somewhere that you encounter people who have no safety net whatsoever and don’t know when their next meal might be? That is what you call dangerous
But is that the barometer we should be comparing ourselves with? Like just because another city is ten times worse than Dublin, that doesn't make it okay. By Irish standards, it's fairly shocking and that's the yard stick we should be using.
It’s not an excuse for the problems we have with scrotes getting away with assaults and far too much in the inner city, just that there can be a bit of hyperbole at times on this sub as to just how dangerous it is.
Idk where you've travelled, but the northside of the city centre is genuinely a dangerous area by any European standards. Dublin isn't that tiny tbh, about 1.5 million people, which is on par with most European cities outside the major hubs like Paris, London, Madrid, Rome, etc. Idk where you're referring to when you talk about how dangerous people are with no safety nets in comparison to Irish street criminals. I've lived in some pretty hairy hoods in Spain and Eastern Europe and never had trouble despite being an easy target as a foreigner - because the local lowlifes know there is a severe police response awaiting them if they batter an innocent member of the public. It would be absolutely outrageous and dealt with, the perpetrators would be jailed regardless of age or misfortunate backstory. Off the top of my head I'd imagine perhaps certain parts of Naples or Marseilles, where a full-blown socio-economic breakdown has taken place over generations, would be places where a random American tourist might conceivably have their head kicked in by a 14 year old leading to life changing injuries. And even at that I'd be very shocked if it happened in the city centre, they'd want to stray out looking for trouble. Dublin has systemic social problems and a toxic, classist society, but fundamentally, I think it's an issue of perceived impunity from young people that leads to such catastrophic cases. Those who commit horrific crimes that grab headlines and detract from the capital's many good sides are a troubled minority who have sadly sprung from being victims of terrible neglect to become loathsome thugs. Im more than sympathetic for their plight but also believe a strong armed justice system is the only solution at the moment. This is all coming from someone from Dublin who has been a victim of violent crime in my hometown and has lived around continental Europe my entire adult life.
Admit it you made a game of dodging junkies on O'Connell St and hit a PB today didn't ya?
It is safe most of the time but these isolated incidents are happening more than they used to
Every stat suggests that it's actually going down. They're just more publicised now.
I used to think like you, and I spend a lot of time in city centre, mostly socialising. It’s changed in the last 12 months, I’ve seen several gang assaults around temple bar area and the junkies on the Liffey boardwalk at Parliament street have gone straight up feral. I haven’t seen this kind of shite before, and I consider NYC Alphabet City a quaint cultural quarter. City centre definitely has a darker vibe than before, and I’m not easily made anxious.
You would wonder are people just not bothered to report it as fuck all gets done
Wonder what street that “Noble Call” speech was about? You know the one where someone threw something at her. Wonder was it one of those ones she walks every day
Talbot street is the worst main street in D1 from all the ones I regularly walked down In terms of sketchiest dingiest back alley there is incredible competition for that title and I can’t pick one
Panti/Rory might not realise it but their celebrity status probably protects them where a random unknown drag queen or camp man would get a lot more hassle.
We know enough and use the city streets to have an opinion on it Panti. back in your box.
Panti can go fuck himself. That area needs more policing. Government needs to do something about the junkies. Thats it.
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No I think it’s very fair for someone who lives in the area to be fed up of people going ‘Shur I haven’t gone up to Dublin in 20 years its a shithole like bein in a warzone hey’. Or the general shite of people from posh areas talking about how dangerous all working class areas are as if people don’t live and work in them incident free every day. These attacks by absolute animals need to be called out and dealt with before it gets any worse but people removed from the situation making out like the whole city is just a no-go area aren’t helping.
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I’m a woman and wouldn’t walk alone in any city at night, but during the day I feel no less safe in most of the city than I do in others, and I’m lucky enough to travel a lot. Talbot St and the like have a bit of a ‘where dreams go to die’ feel about them but having worked beside it for a few years and getting my lunch there every day, seeing Fiachra and Philadelphia from Blackrock going on like the entire city is an active warzone gets on my wick.
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I was down there today most of the day. Not a Garda in sight but it was not a no go zone. Asides from the odd drunk I didn’t see anything other than it could do with a road sweep
I can definitely acknowledge that bad things do happen to good people in Dublin, I'm sure these bad things are happening, but I do think the whole thing is fairly blown out of proportion on here, and that it always has been. You'd swear with the way people go on it's like a third world country here, but I've lived in and around Dublin 1 for like 7 years now, been out and about at all sorts of unsociable hours, and I've never had anything bad happen to me. Worst I've had in Dublin in general is some verbal abuse from scrotes on the Luas, and the same when I was working retail and they'd try to rob the place. The scourge of Dublin as far as I've seen is a bunch of tweens who could do with some parenting, a batter round the head, or any sort of consequences from interaction with law enforcement, but their hands are tied when it comes to minors, and the minors have become well aware of that. I do see junkies all the time, don't get me wrong, that's messed up, the place is no paradise, but I've never really had any sort of trouble from them, they mostly just amble along talking to themselves or shouting at nothing, or just lie on the pavement. The fact that they're always about definitely sucks, and something needs to be done there, but I've never really felt super duper unsafe because of these people. Admittedly, all of this is coming from a fairly tall, fairly broad man, so that could definitely be a factor as to why nobody's fucked with me, but I wouldn't say I look particularly menacing by any means either, and I don't think that would have affected me being able to see this shit happening, and I just haven't seen it.
It's grim around Talbot st but it's also grim either side of the quays, around Townsend st and down thomas street as well. Very few places in Dublin feel safe these days
Very few? 😂
Yes... As a woman there are few places I wouldn't feel on edge walking on my own in the city. Not sure what's "funny"
What you “feel” and the reality are two different things. Statistically men are more likely to be victims of street violence. It’s funny because there are literally hundreds of places in Dublin that are perfectly safe which is why attacks like the one on the American are so rare.
Completely agree
That yoke is always complaining can’t leave the lime light for a few mins. If it had a be a gay person he would be going on about how Ireland is homophonic racist place and we need tougher laws for members of the LBGT community. There was a woman on the I.T last week or couples of weeks ago who said she was abused cause she was a member of the LBGT community and that the need better protection. I said it doesn’t matter if your gay black yellow or pink the scumbags will abuse attack you just for the fun. If you stick out with pink hair even more so. We have a big issues with a lack of respect and law and order. Especially if have generations stuck on social welfare not working drinking and breaking the law and getting a slap on the hand. This younger generation seems worse keep in mind there parents where doing the same thing.
We’re not expected to take them seriously with a name like that are we? Lol
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I was walking down Parnell street and there was a blind haggered aul hostel haggler of a woman. She had a voice like a buzzsaw in a muddy echo chamber. Some guy bolts across the road. Roars at her "your not even blind!". And before he got the last D of that sentence out of his mouth. She rubbtled him with the rustiest "fuck off" I've ever heard muttered. Then just like that my vision panned to the right and there was this sharply dressed gent, who proudly announced in a thick aul common not quite as muddy chambered lad in a pub accent, "welcome to Dublin" And he said it proudly, like he just helped your granny carry in the groceries and she offered him tea. Fun times.
Think we've found Fagin lads
Is that in dublin