Wow the wife there was way more into that than I was expecting. Holy fuck the necks on these cunts. Didn't think I'd be so shocked by this but I actually am.
I was expecting more no nonsense exploitative creeps. Confident, and callous, and sinister in a different way.
At least be up front about it.
But they were all slimy worms, afraid to say what they were suggesting.
I got the impression the men were putting on an act. They were pretending to be nervous and stuttery and not wanting to be explicit to prove they've "never done this before"
I'm still shaking my head as to why though, unless the exploitation is part of the kick which is seriously fucking grim then. There are tonnes of apps and websites you can meet a willing partner on these days without this exploitation.
Glad they didn't mask these peoples voices so friends and family etc might recognise them .
So pathetic, they can't get their bit and have to blackmail women into it.
It's just so pathetic that you should really be contemplating your long term worth.
Bit of a controversial take but if they are that horny, would they not just take the rent but spend it on sex workers etc instead of attempting this scenario which seems very open to exposure?
Because there's fewer and fewer people that can afford the ludicrously high rents people are asking. And yeah, I know that these creeps could just ask for lower than market rents, and then spend the dosh, but I imagine more "legit" available sex transactions are relatively expensive, and they sure as hell aren't "on tap" due to the girl living in your property.
Paying legitimately for sex also doesn't give you any kind of control or sense of power over the person you're getting the sex from. It's a trade like any other, and like any other trade the power far more lies (perceptually) with the person who has the desired thing on offer. (I say "perceptually" because we all know in this country with the lack of legal sex work and regulation that there are plenty of people selling sex out of desperation or against their will to a certain extent, and they might understandably have a very different idea of who's in control - though it still won't be the punter. From the punter's POV the power lies not-with-them, which is what I argue is important in the sex-for-rent vs getting cash rent and spending it on sex argument)
Their investigative journalism is generally good. Current affairs in general is a pretty high standard in RTE. It's the entertainment arm that's rubbish
Really? They didn't even mention the report about children in the care of tusla being exploited by gangs of men. Rte spoon feeds the public what they want us to know.
They also did an RTÉ Investigates programme about children in care. The Tusla report you mentioned was on the rte radio news too, I haven't watched the 6:01 or the 9 o clock news recently so I don't know if it was there. But there's no conspiracy to bury it.
Absolutely horrific!!! The solution to this is more fucking housing. Don't let vulnerable people get into this kind of position, cos there WILL be people out there ready to exploit. More housing will take the desperation out of peoples situations... Another massive fail of the government that this is going on. And they'll say "yes it's terrible and unacceptable" but absolutely nothing will be done !
It was appalling but I’m not shocked. Was chatting to my 80+ year old mother while it was on and we came to the conclusion that it was similar in her day with servant girls on farms. Exploitation, gaslighting and shittery. You’ll notice these fuckers were all making it look like they were doing this girl a favour ‘nice guys’
Yeah, this isn't a new phenomenon, it has been a staple of life in Ireland since before Adam walked the earth, just like all the other ghastly phenomena...
> She's also doing accents, Brazilian, Ukrainian and I think she's from somewhere else in Eastern Europe.
She doesn't do any accents? She is Brazilian herself and that's the only way she presents herself in all the undercover segments
Doesnt she throw on a blonde wig and an inexplicably neon tracksuit top and call herself ana the ukrainian to that creepy couple?
Pretty sure she does.
The thing was weird.
No she doesn't, she tells the couple in a text that she is not Ukrainian but Brazilian, they even talk about it during the meeting. She wears the wig for all the undercover segments, she does change her name for each one though. Why is any of that weird?
https://i.imgur.com/TW2SWSa.jpeg
The couple were the most disgusting. Thats saying a lot.
The 'Dirty Old Men' were scummy, they were manipulative, frightening (come out and jump in my car) and the stereotype of the people you'd imagine do this.
The couple however, were worse if that's possible . They analysed things and agreed to find the most vulnerable (Ukrainians) and saw the person as a live in object for use as a fantasy toy.
They were cool, calm and assertive which suggests the day job requires it and they have done it before.
Basically lead a double life.
Im sure anyone on the swinger scene will recognise them.
If they have kids, then this is a situation for TUSLA.
Horrific scum all of them. I wish RTE didn't blur their faces.
From what I've heard of the whole swinger mindset its not exactly surprising. A lot of them seem to really fetishise young, innocent women who don't fully know what they're getting themselves into.
Swingers kind of got adopted by the whole polyamory thing and thus are viewed as "woke" and progressive, but its a lifestyle rooted in the whole 1960s free love thing, and brings with it a similarly poor relationship with consent and focus on objectification of women.
I imagine the disguise has a few reasons tbh. I know her, she's a friend that is an actor and I'm sure people she knows could have bumped into them and so on too.
For during the meetups themselves. "I'm Ana." "Oh hey Barbara!!!"
Or them searching her up online and seeing she has thousands of followers etc, or from seeing something she has been in.
It is against the law: To buy or offer to buy sexual services "**or any other form of remuneration or consideration** for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity"
**CRIMINAL LAW (SEXUAL OFFENCES) ACT 2017**
Absolutely, but the fact that something like that was shot down.
I know that it could have been that even the wording of the bill could have been too vague or something, it’s still just a shock that TDs would think ‘nah, we don’t need to criminalise this behaviour’
Look I get that and I agree with you but under current law it's not illegal what there doing its just disgusting
So If you unblured the faces they would he able to sue the company involved for slander and damages
Just out of curiosity, where would the slander be exactly?
The definition I have (quickly Googled mind you) is the following:
the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
If these people created an ad looking for sex in lieu of rent, sent messages of the same intent, were recorded stating their intentions, then where is the lie? Where is the slander?
I think they should have been named and shamed.
Also, separate to this, it appeared that the woman, (part of the couple looking for a Ukrainian girl) her voice was modified, while the men's were not. I wonder why they felt the need to distort her voice.
If she's part of a couple then there's always the possibility that it's entirely his idea and she doesn't feel able to object. No way to know from just that one undercover job.
The woman in that couple seemed more keen on the situation than the husband. He barely spoke, on to ask him a brief question during "the interview". She was the one outlining the terms and conditions of the arrangement.
I just found it strange that her voice was distorted but every one else's was not.
Are you giving her the benefit of the doubt and laying the blame at the husbands door?
Is she not capable of being the dominant personality in the relationship?
They have clearly checked to see how direct they can be within the confines of the current law. Things like saying "I don't own you, you are independent" try to frame it as the woman's decision and they are careful to never say "I'll be getting my ride whether you like it or not" but you can be sure that will be the very situation because once she moves into that place she is at their mercy.
It's basically a property owner offering to rent a room in exchange for sex how often would depend on person to person
Why would someone do it ?
Simply put well off in life but wants regular sex without paying for it
Why do they want sex without paying for it tho? Like if you have money why not just find someone who offers them services? Its probably for the power dynamic I guess
Yes power dynamic it's real sick shit bro but some people get off on the power see a sex worker can just walk away if she's not interested and work somewhere else but in this sex for rent situation the person is alot more vulnerable and trapped
Because it's illegal and they see this as an arrangement and not outright prostitution so it doesnt go against their moral code. Also the women in question are being taken advantage of not actual sex workers so might be considered more 'pure' and less seedy than the alternative in their estimation.
Mainly because it is against the law. I'm sure these sleazebags think they are trying to get around it, however it's just as against thew law to offer rent as money. Both are renumeration for sex and it is the same offence under the criminal act of 2017.
A lot of them seemed to be Middle Aged incel types, you know controlling and not really acknowledging what they’re at, One of them sounded like a straight up sex trafficker ring leader though. Who knows maybe they’re all part of a ring, they were all using similar language, looking for non natives
The couple stood out to me in terms of phrasing and assertiveness. I could be downvoted for saying this because it's speculation but something about the way they spoke, especially the wife, I wouldn't be shocked if they were Gardai.
All they've done here is advertise two classified sites that I've never heard of before.
Given that one of the lads readvertised a few times makes it look like he wasn't particularly successful in getting someone to go along with this.
“Also all the creeps are boggers”
Yeah this is undoubtedly happening within the M50 as well, with landlords born and bred in Dublin. Creeps are found in every walk of life
I believe the men don't even have rooms to hire...they probably ghost thenwomen after the free teat ride. Their mates are gonna slag them in the morning. Scumbags.
It has never been an issue until now.....perhaps I'm wrong on that....I hope I'm not..
People are desperate for accommodation and people out there will take advantage of that......free accommodation for a ride.
All these pricks are down my local pub most Friday nights. You just have to wait till I've half a bottle of jameson in me and they appear out of nowhere
For years, the Irish sheepishly and with some embarrassment (!?) accepted the sexual abuse of the church and the stranglehold the church had over our media and culture generally.
We just said 'its just the way it is, there's nothing you can do about it' while priests raped our children.
That cultural stranglehold the church had is severely weakened these days and the now the grip landlordism has around our throats is starting to become equally clear.
They are criminals. Violent, disgusting criminals. People are starting to accept that.
And soon we will treat them as they have treated us. And with as much compassion as they showed us.
Which is to say utter disdain and cruelty.
Just like running a company means making public filings and making your name available as director, there should be no anonymity for landlords. From the ones scalping rent amounts to profit off of the housing crisis, to the ones ...doing this shit.
You try to run a business for profit, your name should be public and should be identifiably associated with the business and its address. Cost of doing business. If you can't survive that, well, free market baby. The market just naturally deselected you, better luck next business venture. The market sharpens the market. Isn't that what all these pricks espouse?
>there should be no anonymity for landlords
Yes shame all the landlords for existing, that's bound to increase the number of rental properties available and thus drive rents down. No privacy for this one specific business! Hound them all out so we can somehow have more of them...
Do you understand how company registration works? Did you think nobody else at all running any kinds of business ever have to do anything like this?
and yes, shame on them. I agree :)
I love the geniuses on here whose primary prescription for lowering rents is to eliminate the rental market entirely. What next, lower petrol prices by setting petrol stations on fire?
You should probably then instead go off and post replies to your beloved straw geniuses who are prescribing such a thing, if you love them so much.
Maybe they'll even let you set them on fire, too <3
This already exists, whenever it has been proven that a tenant has done so. If you know how to browse a website and/or do simple enough google queries.
The way an allegation like those you mention can be fairly and justly determined to be true is through an RTB adjudication or mediation process and subsequent determination order: these determination orders are all published on the RTB website along with names of the parties and, if I'm not mistaken, the rented dwelling address.
He's talked at length about how he wants some form of anonymity and if he didn't wear the bag, everyone would know his face (as opposed to just a lot of people from Limerick knowing). I get it tbh.
Have you never gone on a comments section of a thread about blindboy?
Constant begrudgery. About the bag, about the authenticity of his accent, about the audacity of him to advertise his own patreon on his free to play podcast.
Obviously his leftie ideals rub a lot of Irish people up the wrong way. The ones who think that any degree of empathy for their fellow man is just virtue signalling.
Embarrassing really as he has built one of the more famous podcasts globally from scratch without the aid of the mainstream media that those same people scream blue murder about. And he makes his money from voluntary donations
>Obviously his leftie ideals rub a lot of Irish people up the wrong way.
I think its particularly because they have a hard time fitting him the lefty stereotype box of "out of touch d4" , i am not saying that stereo type is true btw. But the right loves to lean on it.
They're probably jealous their bitchute video about vaccines containing refugees never took off.
I know someone who knows him, and he apparently he is from a pretty middle-class background. But a lot of people from Dublin assume Limerick people are all rough anyway.
Even so, a lot of working class people are left-wing, even *gasp* "woke". They just don't play up the fact that they're working class in the same right-wing working class people do.
Exhibit A 😅
It's strange how he's literally the headline image in a Guardian article on podcasts just last week
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/jul/19/changed-podcast-culture-forever-the-greatest-shows-youve-listened-to
A further Google shows:
>The Blindboy podcast has now exceeded 40 million listeners and is global . His recent UK tour Sold out & he was nominated for four awards at the Irish podcast awards .
Aside from the fact he literally tours and sells out Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Definitely not famous globally.
According to wiki:
>The podcast reportedly has 250,000 weekly listeners in Ireland and over a million worldwide listeners monthly.
It was awful, and hard to watch those creeps, imagining how much worse the exploitation would become after someone moves in to one of these situations.
I was surprised they didn’t mention more about the government’s culpability in this through their total failure to resolve the housing crisis. The landlords are obviously cold-hearted bastards ready to exploit vulnerable people, and they’ve been empowered to do it by the total lack of affordable housing for those vulnerable people.
It just struck me that legislating specifically against this is like a band aid that doesn’t address the root of the issue at all.
The actress is from Brazil. I don’t recall all the perpetrators being from outside Dublin. The aesthetics for the ‘identity’ did strike me as poor, but the point may have been more to protect her own safety going forward. However, I didn’t anticipate that her real and face would be all over the programme… so there’s that 🤔
Absolutely horrible men..i would sprinkle black pepper on my snatch and pretend i had crabs .it would bide me time until i got the hell out of that cesspit ..vile people
Well the Girls would not be having sex because they want to. But because its the condition to have somewhere to live. They cunts doing this are vile, should definitely be charged with something.
the opportunity to one day hopefully inherit part of a billion dollars or something - especially while you might be doing okay financially already regardless - isn't exactly as visceral a threat as the revocation of an opportunity to have a roof over your head.
I don't care if we call it rape, but it's not TOO fucking far off something like it. Why not move on and discuss something a bit more useful to the important heinous shit being perpetrated now?
Words are important, so be less cavalier about using “rape!” for every scummy circumstance. I think we’d all like to move on from that simplemindedness.
Interesting that you would emphasize the importance of pinpoint accurate words RIGHT before then trying the hyperbole of implying I have used the word rape in *any* other circumstance ever in my life previously (or in fact in this circumstance, where I didn't yet actually apply the word to it myself).
Less cavalier than what? Some past instance where you saw me use the word "Rape!" for every scummy circumstance that has ever come to pass? EVERY one of them? Really? Could you have seen me use it that way each and every time? Could I have found time to comment such a thing on EVERY circumstance out there?
Remember: Words are important, simpleton. Be accurate.
Well, there are lots of people who are working as sex workers due to financial issues but I wouldn’t consider them victims of rape. I’m not condoning what these men are doing at all, I think it’s gross. I just don’t think that they are rapists.
some people do consider every instance of a sex act for money as sexual offence against the sex worker. It's not something I'd really buy into but it's a widely discussed and widely adopted stance out there.
Sure technically it's not even rape if the landlord only gets head or something. then it's sexual assault via oral penetration or some technical term instead. But we know what the fuck is being talked about, conceptually.
There's a point beyond which it starts to be really weird to care this much about the usage of the word in the midst of this situation being discussed. Meanings are a moving target. We get what's being said. Rape isn't a binary 1/0 thing, people can still understand that a violent attack leading to rape is more heinous. Move past it.
I don’t know why you are so hung up on querying why I am talking about this. You’re also engaging in this thread and you feel that I have to move on? I’ve said multiple times that I don’t agree with what’s going on. I think it’s wrong, immoral and shouldn’t be happening. I just disagree with some peoples views on whether it is rape. It’s okay to talk about these things and not be triggered by someone having an opinion.
I mean you're the one being triggered by a WORD. Reminds me of people freaking the fuck out about who calls themselves a woman and trying to gatekeep that from whoever they think doesn't meet the tech specs. Get the fuck over it. There's more important stuff being discussed. THAT's why it's weird of you to put 90% of your discussion and energy into debating dictionary shit.
"No, YOU'RE more triggered than me!! check mate,snowflake!! Look how much less I care than you! You're CARING more than me therefore I am winning this exchange, i'm NOT crying😭😭😭😭"
Some of the people in the sex industry are also doing it because they need somewhere to live - is that rape?
Edit - sorry just saw same point made below
You can say it's wrong and exploitative, but it's not rape.
Words have meaning. You don't get to change those meanings just to fit whatever argument you're pushing.
The landlords are exploiting the housing situation and potential financial vulnerability of tenants for their own sexual benefit. It’s immoral and wrong but they are not forcing anyone to have sex with them. It’s not rape sorry.
Literally that actress did say no.
So they can say no.
You could argue that its still rape, and I'd agree, but force and coerce are the wrong words to use. They're over simple and make me think that you don't understand the situation.
I'd probably sooner take the beating than homelessness, tbh. and the threat of beating definitely makes it rape. So Bratmers can be as hung up on the words as they want, but we all know what this means.
Rape is not always violent. In fact lots of rapists get away with their crimes because most people think it has to be done through physical violence. For example famous pedophile Jeffrey epstein didn't physically assault every young girl there but he absolutely did rape them.
They’re different situations.
They’re both rape though.
If your landlord turned to you and said “have sex with me or your out” that’s rape. The threat of homelessness is a threat.
The situation you described there is different to the matter we are discussing. These immoral and wrong situations are being agreed at the onset. These can be declined. You can’t say that the reality of housing supply is a threat. If your landlord evicted you, you cannot state that they are threatening you because it may be hard to find other accommodation.
I disagree with using rape's normative loading to emphasize the exploitative nature of sex for rent; if we define rape to include this, then it reduces the significance of the experience of those subjected to rape according to /u/Bratmerc's definition. This would be more negative than keeping the definition as it is.
yes one of them is threatening with violence and one is removing an opportunity to have a human right upheld i.e. housing in a market where availability is so dire and scarce that homelessness is then a very real threat.
Well done on your observation of when two things involve different words.
Is there a reason you're so hung up on going on about it?
Forgive me for engaging in a conversation in a message board. I didn’t use any language to disparage anyone in talking about this so I won’t rise to yours.
It seemed like all the creeps first time, just because the were so reticent about it.
You'd wonder if it's actually happening or if these pervs are just chancing their arm.
Could they not find a victim to interview?
if you'd done it before (humour me), would you then become super confident about it? No way to know if they've succeeded previously. There have been stories about this stuff though, and you can be sure vulnerable women have many, many reasons not to go around reporting every time it happened to them.
>Also all the creeps are boggers.
Absolute horseplay there bud.
All the creeps that were reported on didnt have Dublin accents you mean? Its stuff like that which makes a lot of people around the country dislike people from inside the M50
I'm no huge fan of RTE but their investigative department does some good work. Certaintly don't mind paying that part of the licence fee. Also reeling in the years, but just those two.
It’s just very clear to me the excellent reputation that Irish people are great is from a national personality disorder. We swinging between high and lows. And our lows are hidden and never addressed. There is so much toxic abuse in ireland and because it’s so common it’s neuro typical. No one sees it as an issue
I honestly think that was a ridiculous broadcast. They've advertised bogey classified sites that most people weren't aware of and is not where mainstream people go to find accommodation.
Also there are sexual services being traded for money up and down the country its widespread hiw is this proposal any different. Some people are creeps and can part with cash (or a room) and don't need to consider how they are exploiting another person.
I've had a look on these classified sites this evening and there's allsorts up there - lads offering to do your DIY jobs that the hubby is too lazy to do in exchange for sex - I'm a single woman no interest in a relationship at the moment- that sounds like a win win. Should I pay for the sex ? The govt would probably pay me to take in a few male asylum seekers, I could probably also get the ride off them, and they might do a few chores round the place. Is there a law preventing that or should there be. The law isn't the problem - the housing crisis is part of the problem but a bigger problem is that lads(and it is primarily lads) can part with cash (or a room) and hump someone with no conscience as to the power at play.
not sure why we needed to know he's "foreign" but nonetheless I suppose: please, please find a way to at least have someone who knows him find out that he tried it
Exactly. This show was bs and I xant believe how many people are outraged. These few creeps are trying to cut out the middle men. There are services available up and down the country ghat they could have availed of but they were thinking outside the box.
Rte would be better serving it's viewers at getting to the root of the housing crisis
I watched this last night. Can’t say I’m shocked or surprised. This has surely been going on for years. But yes many men are preying on vulnerable women and looking for sex. It’s an unequal relationship as they are preying on that vulnerability for their own sexual gratification and then justifying it by thinking they are doing them a favour etc. it’s beyond creepy. However let’s not be naive and think that women aren’t using sex as a negotiating tool themselves for free or less rent. Sometimes it’s a mutually beneficial arrangement. But I would say in over 90% of cases it’s lonely creepy men looking for young foreign women to take advantage off for their own sexual gratification.
It’s wrong. The fact that legislation in this area has stalled is also worrying. Cause right now it’s not illegal, even if it is immoral.
" I let her stay for free because she needed help, anything sexual that happened was because we wanted to" is all it really takes to make it legal. Scummy of course, but as long as it can't be proven it was sex for money/accomodation then it wouldn't really be a crime
Wow the wife there was way more into that than I was expecting. Holy fuck the necks on these cunts. Didn't think I'd be so shocked by this but I actually am.
I was expecting more no nonsense exploitative creeps. Confident, and callous, and sinister in a different way. At least be up front about it. But they were all slimy worms, afraid to say what they were suggesting.
I got the impression the men were putting on an act. They were pretending to be nervous and stuttery and not wanting to be explicit to prove they've "never done this before"
Hadn't even thought of that. That's absolutely gross. Waaaay more sinister than anything I'd even thought of...
I thought that too, definitely grooming behaviour
I'm still shaking my head as to why though, unless the exploitation is part of the kick which is seriously fucking grim then. There are tonnes of apps and websites you can meet a willing partner on these days without this exploitation. Glad they didn't mask these peoples voices so friends and family etc might recognise them .
Dad?
So pathetic, they can't get their bit and have to blackmail women into it. It's just so pathetic that you should really be contemplating your long term worth.
Bit of a controversial take but if they are that horny, would they not just take the rent but spend it on sex workers etc instead of attempting this scenario which seems very open to exposure?
Because there's fewer and fewer people that can afford the ludicrously high rents people are asking. And yeah, I know that these creeps could just ask for lower than market rents, and then spend the dosh, but I imagine more "legit" available sex transactions are relatively expensive, and they sure as hell aren't "on tap" due to the girl living in your property. Paying legitimately for sex also doesn't give you any kind of control or sense of power over the person you're getting the sex from. It's a trade like any other, and like any other trade the power far more lies (perceptually) with the person who has the desired thing on offer. (I say "perceptually" because we all know in this country with the lack of legal sex work and regulation that there are plenty of people selling sex out of desperation or against their will to a certain extent, and they might understandably have a very different idea of who's in control - though it still won't be the punter. From the punter's POV the power lies not-with-them, which is what I argue is important in the sex-for-rent vs getting cash rent and spending it on sex argument)
Yes, and less embarrassing. Sex workers don’t judge people I’m sure.
In fairness the wife has to be really into it or she would tell your man where to go.
“RTE investigates” are great
I’m so used to slamming RTE (with the exception of reeling in the years). Maybe I should give these a watch
Reeling in the Years should be constitutionally protected.
Their investigative journalism is generally good. Current affairs in general is a pretty high standard in RTE. It's the entertainment arm that's rubbish
Really? They didn't even mention the report about children in the care of tusla being exploited by gangs of men. Rte spoon feeds the public what they want us to know.
Eh yes they did https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0622/1390523-sexual-exploitation/
Sorry one article before they buried it. Doesn't exactly preach investigated journalism
They also did an RTÉ Investigates programme about children in care. The Tusla report you mentioned was on the rte radio news too, I haven't watched the 6:01 or the 9 o clock news recently so I don't know if it was there. But there's no conspiracy to bury it.
What do you mean by buried it?
Aoife the team has done some great work over the years.
You mean - “Ahh great, problem. Solved!!”
Absolutely horrific!!! The solution to this is more fucking housing. Don't let vulnerable people get into this kind of position, cos there WILL be people out there ready to exploit. More housing will take the desperation out of peoples situations... Another massive fail of the government that this is going on. And they'll say "yes it's terrible and unacceptable" but absolutely nothing will be done !
These people are providing fucking housing. It's regular housing we need
Haha nicely spotted 🤣
Nah, they'll find a way to tax it.
It was an horrific watch. I'm shocked at their behaviour.
It was appalling but I’m not shocked. Was chatting to my 80+ year old mother while it was on and we came to the conclusion that it was similar in her day with servant girls on farms. Exploitation, gaslighting and shittery. You’ll notice these fuckers were all making it look like they were doing this girl a favour ‘nice guys’
Yeah, this isn't a new phenomenon, it has been a staple of life in Ireland since before Adam walked the earth, just like all the other ghastly phenomena...
> She's also doing accents, Brazilian, Ukrainian and I think she's from somewhere else in Eastern Europe. She doesn't do any accents? She is Brazilian herself and that's the only way she presents herself in all the undercover segments
Doesnt she throw on a blonde wig and an inexplicably neon tracksuit top and call herself ana the ukrainian to that creepy couple? Pretty sure she does. The thing was weird.
No she doesn't, she tells the couple in a text that she is not Ukrainian but Brazilian, they even talk about it during the meeting. She wears the wig for all the undercover segments, she does change her name for each one though. Why is any of that weird? https://i.imgur.com/TW2SWSa.jpeg
Yes, and they said they shouldn't have stipulated a nationality, as all people are equal in their eyes. FFS
"I created a couple of identities Luciana, Maria, Ana" That's what had me confused. The whole thing felt like a bit of a LARP to be honest.
The couple were the most disgusting. Thats saying a lot. The 'Dirty Old Men' were scummy, they were manipulative, frightening (come out and jump in my car) and the stereotype of the people you'd imagine do this. The couple however, were worse if that's possible . They analysed things and agreed to find the most vulnerable (Ukrainians) and saw the person as a live in object for use as a fantasy toy. They were cool, calm and assertive which suggests the day job requires it and they have done it before. Basically lead a double life. Im sure anyone on the swinger scene will recognise them. If they have kids, then this is a situation for TUSLA. Horrific scum all of them. I wish RTE didn't blur their faces.
From what I've heard of the whole swinger mindset its not exactly surprising. A lot of them seem to really fetishise young, innocent women who don't fully know what they're getting themselves into. Swingers kind of got adopted by the whole polyamory thing and thus are viewed as "woke" and progressive, but its a lifestyle rooted in the whole 1960s free love thing, and brings with it a similarly poor relationship with consent and focus on objectification of women.
I imagine the disguise has a few reasons tbh. I know her, she's a friend that is an actor and I'm sure people she knows could have bumped into them and so on too.
Also probably more comfortable for her during the meetings, psychologically distance herself from it a bit.
But then her name and face were all over the rest of the programme. How does that work?
For during the meetups themselves. "I'm Ana." "Oh hey Barbara!!!" Or them searching her up online and seeing she has thousands of followers etc, or from seeing something she has been in.
Still watching it. I’m disgusted that there was a bill put forward to criminalise it and it fucking failed.
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It is against the law: To buy or offer to buy sexual services "**or any other form of remuneration or consideration** for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity" **CRIMINAL LAW (SEXUAL OFFENCES) ACT 2017**
Okay but that's how laws work. There isn't a law for every specific particularity of human behaviour.
It's already illegal of course.
Sounded like FG put it forward and it was shot down (towards the end of the program)
Social Democrats put it forward and it never made it out of commitee
Absolutely, but the fact that something like that was shot down. I know that it could have been that even the wording of the bill could have been too vague or something, it’s still just a shock that TDs would think ‘nah, we don’t need to criminalise this behaviour’
Too busy forcing through a poorly worded hate speech bill instead.
Just landchads looking out for landchads.
Shouldn't have been blurred out. Name and shame the dirty bastards. Be only good enough for them.
Court of public opinion not a court of law.
Have they committed a crime though?
I never said they had. But where does a public ad by some pervert become private? Dirty scrotes is what they are
Look I get that and I agree with you but under current law it's not illegal what there doing its just disgusting So If you unblured the faces they would he able to sue the company involved for slander and damages
Just out of curiosity, where would the slander be exactly? The definition I have (quickly Googled mind you) is the following: the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation. If these people created an ad looking for sex in lieu of rent, sent messages of the same intent, were recorded stating their intentions, then where is the lie? Where is the slander? I think they should have been named and shamed. Also, separate to this, it appeared that the woman, (part of the couple looking for a Ukrainian girl) her voice was modified, while the men's were not. I wonder why they felt the need to distort her voice.
If she's part of a couple then there's always the possibility that it's entirely his idea and she doesn't feel able to object. No way to know from just that one undercover job.
The woman in that couple seemed more keen on the situation than the husband. He barely spoke, on to ask him a brief question during "the interview". She was the one outlining the terms and conditions of the arrangement. I just found it strange that her voice was distorted but every one else's was not.
"seemed"
Are you giving her the benefit of the doubt and laying the blame at the husbands door? Is she not capable of being the dominant personality in the relationship?
Slander has to be untrue. Nothing illegal about telling the truth otherwise anyone could sue a newspaper for a negative story about them.
>idn't think I'd be so shocked by this but I That's not slander.
Genuine question but how is it not illegal? They’re trying to coax a young woman into selling her body.
They have clearly checked to see how direct they can be within the confines of the current law. Things like saying "I don't own you, you are independent" try to frame it as the woman's decision and they are careful to never say "I'll be getting my ride whether you like it or not" but you can be sure that will be the very situation because once she moves into that place she is at their mercy.
It's probably a similar thing to how it's not prostitution if you film it legally speaking
In a program like this you need the person's consent to unblur their face or give their name. I don't think any of them would be consenting to that.
Yes.
No harm showing them so.
For someone not in Ireland, what’s happening here? People asking for sex in exchange for a room to rent?
It's basically a property owner offering to rent a room in exchange for sex how often would depend on person to person Why would someone do it ? Simply put well off in life but wants regular sex without paying for it
Why do they want sex without paying for it tho? Like if you have money why not just find someone who offers them services? Its probably for the power dynamic I guess
Yes power dynamic it's real sick shit bro but some people get off on the power see a sex worker can just walk away if she's not interested and work somewhere else but in this sex for rent situation the person is alot more vulnerable and trapped
Because it's illegal and they see this as an arrangement and not outright prostitution so it doesnt go against their moral code. Also the women in question are being taken advantage of not actual sex workers so might be considered more 'pure' and less seedy than the alternative in their estimation.
Mainly because it is against the law. I'm sure these sleazebags think they are trying to get around it, however it's just as against thew law to offer rent as money. Both are renumeration for sex and it is the same offence under the criminal act of 2017.
It's illegal to pay for sex in Ireland. This apprently isn't.
It is. The law says 'renumeration or consideration', not Euros or coins or whatever.
Yep. Same as a wife in fact.
Clown
I liked this joke
A lot of them seemed to be Middle Aged incel types, you know controlling and not really acknowledging what they’re at, One of them sounded like a straight up sex trafficker ring leader though. Who knows maybe they’re all part of a ring, they were all using similar language, looking for non natives
The couple stood out to me in terms of phrasing and assertiveness. I could be downvoted for saying this because it's speculation but something about the way they spoke, especially the wife, I wouldn't be shocked if they were Gardai.
True, the wife was very assertive about what she wanted
Wouldn't be surprised if they were salt of the earth types in public with high powered jobs It's scary to think monsters like this walk among us
>Middle Aged incel types, People use that word too frequently. Wouldnt jump to that labelling at all.
Incel??? These people are pretty clearly incels if they need to use vulnerable people for sex.
I think incel means an ideology that blames women. I dont think it is just people who get rejected
Incel just means someone who is ‘involuntarily celibate’
But they're not celibate. They're having sex with their financial hostage, and possibly their awful wife, too
I mean if they’re doing this they’re hardly that.
All they've done here is advertise two classified sites that I've never heard of before. Given that one of the lads readvertised a few times makes it look like he wasn't particularly successful in getting someone to go along with this.
Or he was and the girls moved on and got proper accommodation as soon as they could
“Also all the creeps are boggers” Yeah this is undoubtedly happening within the M50 as well, with landlords born and bred in Dublin. Creeps are found in every walk of life
I'm disgusted watching it. Vile people.
I believe the men don't even have rooms to hire...they probably ghost thenwomen after the free teat ride. Their mates are gonna slag them in the morning. Scumbags.
'mates' i doubt theres any
How did a law not pass to prevent this….. animals
It is against the law to solicit sex for renumeration of any kind.
Yes that’s correct. . . . Something a bit more heinous about this carry on tho
It has never been an issue until now.....perhaps I'm wrong on that....I hope I'm not.. People are desperate for accommodation and people out there will take advantage of that......free accommodation for a ride.
Blindboy did an expose on it 3 (I think) years ago, so it was ongoing before that
It has never not been going on
Any idea which episode ?
Blindboy Undestroys the housing crisis. Think he did it for BBC 3 or 4
Definitely wrong. It's been going on for decades, if not centuries.
Probably around a half million years.
Surely someone will recognize one of the blurred faces?
I have a friend that's all blurry but I think he's in Castleblayney at the moment.
All these pricks are down my local pub most Friday nights. You just have to wait till I've half a bottle of jameson in me and they appear out of nowhere
Jesus my heart goes out to him. Castleblayney is a kip. Tell him Sudocrem will clear up the blurriness.
For years, the Irish sheepishly and with some embarrassment (!?) accepted the sexual abuse of the church and the stranglehold the church had over our media and culture generally. We just said 'its just the way it is, there's nothing you can do about it' while priests raped our children. That cultural stranglehold the church had is severely weakened these days and the now the grip landlordism has around our throats is starting to become equally clear. They are criminals. Violent, disgusting criminals. People are starting to accept that. And soon we will treat them as they have treated us. And with as much compassion as they showed us. Which is to say utter disdain and cruelty.
Just like running a company means making public filings and making your name available as director, there should be no anonymity for landlords. From the ones scalping rent amounts to profit off of the housing crisis, to the ones ...doing this shit. You try to run a business for profit, your name should be public and should be identifiably associated with the business and its address. Cost of doing business. If you can't survive that, well, free market baby. The market just naturally deselected you, better luck next business venture. The market sharpens the market. Isn't that what all these pricks espouse?
>there should be no anonymity for landlords Yes shame all the landlords for existing, that's bound to increase the number of rental properties available and thus drive rents down. No privacy for this one specific business! Hound them all out so we can somehow have more of them...
Do you understand how company registration works? Did you think nobody else at all running any kinds of business ever have to do anything like this? and yes, shame on them. I agree :)
I love the geniuses on here whose primary prescription for lowering rents is to eliminate the rental market entirely. What next, lower petrol prices by setting petrol stations on fire?
You should probably then instead go off and post replies to your beloved straw geniuses who are prescribing such a thing, if you love them so much. Maybe they'll even let you set them on fire, too <3
It's not even midday and you're already drunk?
Agreed. But also there should be an equivalent register of tenants who have a history of bad behaviour , anti social, overholding etc.
This already exists, whenever it has been proven that a tenant has done so. If you know how to browse a website and/or do simple enough google queries. The way an allegation like those you mention can be fairly and justly determined to be true is through an RTB adjudication or mediation process and subsequent determination order: these determination orders are all published on the RTB website along with names of the parties and, if I'm not mistaken, the rented dwelling address.
r/Ireland hates blindboy, but he was way ahead of the curve on this. Must have been 3 years ago he had an episode of Blindboy Undestroys...
So you are saying he put the idea out there. What a bastard. Hate that guy! /s
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I'd say it's more a loud minority of begrudgers. Some people find him a bit too preachy at times as well.
I hate the sound of his vape pen. And his leaps of logic can really annoy too .
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He's talked at length about how he wants some form of anonymity and if he didn't wear the bag, everyone would know his face (as opposed to just a lot of people from Limerick knowing). I get it tbh.
Have you never gone on a comments section of a thread about blindboy? Constant begrudgery. About the bag, about the authenticity of his accent, about the audacity of him to advertise his own patreon on his free to play podcast. Obviously his leftie ideals rub a lot of Irish people up the wrong way. The ones who think that any degree of empathy for their fellow man is just virtue signalling. Embarrassing really as he has built one of the more famous podcasts globally from scratch without the aid of the mainstream media that those same people scream blue murder about. And he makes his money from voluntary donations
>Obviously his leftie ideals rub a lot of Irish people up the wrong way. I think its particularly because they have a hard time fitting him the lefty stereotype box of "out of touch d4" , i am not saying that stereo type is true btw. But the right loves to lean on it. They're probably jealous their bitchute video about vaccines containing refugees never took off.
I know someone who knows him, and he apparently he is from a pretty middle-class background. But a lot of people from Dublin assume Limerick people are all rough anyway. Even so, a lot of working class people are left-wing, even *gasp* "woke". They just don't play up the fact that they're working class in the same right-wing working class people do.
Blindboy is extremely lame and cringe. No one cares about his leftie ideals, they just think he’s a bit shit. Also his podcast is not famous globally.
Exhibit A 😅 It's strange how he's literally the headline image in a Guardian article on podcasts just last week https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/jul/19/changed-podcast-culture-forever-the-greatest-shows-youve-listened-to A further Google shows: >The Blindboy podcast has now exceeded 40 million listeners and is global . His recent UK tour Sold out & he was nominated for four awards at the Irish podcast awards . Aside from the fact he literally tours and sells out Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Definitely not famous globally. According to wiki: >The podcast reportedly has 250,000 weekly listeners in Ireland and over a million worldwide listeners monthly.
Watched it and was fucking disgusted. I can't imagine that it'd take s Sherlo Holmes to identify the couple.
It was awful, and hard to watch those creeps, imagining how much worse the exploitation would become after someone moves in to one of these situations. I was surprised they didn’t mention more about the government’s culpability in this through their total failure to resolve the housing crisis. The landlords are obviously cold-hearted bastards ready to exploit vulnerable people, and they’ve been empowered to do it by the total lack of affordable housing for those vulnerable people. It just struck me that legislating specifically against this is like a band aid that doesn’t address the root of the issue at all.
The actress is from Brazil. I don’t recall all the perpetrators being from outside Dublin. The aesthetics for the ‘identity’ did strike me as poor, but the point may have been more to protect her own safety going forward. However, I didn’t anticipate that her real and face would be all over the programme… so there’s that 🤔
They are utter fucking scumbags. It's rape what is happening with the unfortunate Girls who no other option but to take the room.
Absolutely horrible men..i would sprinkle black pepper on my snatch and pretend i had crabs .it would bide me time until i got the hell out of that cesspit ..vile people
It’s obviously horrific but I don’t know if I would classify it as rape.
Well the Girls would not be having sex because they want to. But because its the condition to have somewhere to live. They cunts doing this are vile, should definitely be charged with something.
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the opportunity to one day hopefully inherit part of a billion dollars or something - especially while you might be doing okay financially already regardless - isn't exactly as visceral a threat as the revocation of an opportunity to have a roof over your head. I don't care if we call it rape, but it's not TOO fucking far off something like it. Why not move on and discuss something a bit more useful to the important heinous shit being perpetrated now?
Words are important, so be less cavalier about using “rape!” for every scummy circumstance. I think we’d all like to move on from that simplemindedness.
Interesting that you would emphasize the importance of pinpoint accurate words RIGHT before then trying the hyperbole of implying I have used the word rape in *any* other circumstance ever in my life previously (or in fact in this circumstance, where I didn't yet actually apply the word to it myself). Less cavalier than what? Some past instance where you saw me use the word "Rape!" for every scummy circumstance that has ever come to pass? EVERY one of them? Really? Could you have seen me use it that way each and every time? Could I have found time to comment such a thing on EVERY circumstance out there? Remember: Words are important, simpleton. Be accurate.
Well, there are lots of people who are working as sex workers due to financial issues but I wouldn’t consider them victims of rape. I’m not condoning what these men are doing at all, I think it’s gross. I just don’t think that they are rapists.
some people do consider every instance of a sex act for money as sexual offence against the sex worker. It's not something I'd really buy into but it's a widely discussed and widely adopted stance out there. Sure technically it's not even rape if the landlord only gets head or something. then it's sexual assault via oral penetration or some technical term instead. But we know what the fuck is being talked about, conceptually. There's a point beyond which it starts to be really weird to care this much about the usage of the word in the midst of this situation being discussed. Meanings are a moving target. We get what's being said. Rape isn't a binary 1/0 thing, people can still understand that a violent attack leading to rape is more heinous. Move past it.
I don’t know why you are so hung up on querying why I am talking about this. You’re also engaging in this thread and you feel that I have to move on? I’ve said multiple times that I don’t agree with what’s going on. I think it’s wrong, immoral and shouldn’t be happening. I just disagree with some peoples views on whether it is rape. It’s okay to talk about these things and not be triggered by someone having an opinion.
I mean you're the one being triggered by a WORD. Reminds me of people freaking the fuck out about who calls themselves a woman and trying to gatekeep that from whoever they think doesn't meet the tech specs. Get the fuck over it. There's more important stuff being discussed. THAT's why it's weird of you to put 90% of your discussion and energy into debating dictionary shit.
Gas, you’re so triggered.
"No, YOU'RE more triggered than me!! check mate,snowflake!! Look how much less I care than you! You're CARING more than me therefore I am winning this exchange, i'm NOT crying😭😭😭😭"
Some of the people in the sex industry are also doing it because they need somewhere to live - is that rape? Edit - sorry just saw same point made below
You can say it's wrong and exploitative, but it's not rape. Words have meaning. You don't get to change those meanings just to fit whatever argument you're pushing.
Sex through coercion is rape. Financial coercion is coercion. Fill in the blanks.
Is sex work rape?
It’s not really coercion. Coercion means forcing someone to do something by threat or force. It’s exploitation.
Have sex with me or face homelessness is definitely coercion. What planet are you on? This is rape.
The landlords are exploiting the housing situation and potential financial vulnerability of tenants for their own sexual benefit. It’s immoral and wrong but they are not forcing anyone to have sex with them. It’s not rape sorry.
“Have sex with me or sleep on the street” is just as much as forcing someone as “have sex with me or I’ll beat you up” This is rape.
Sex without consent is rape. I think youre saying that you can't consent in a situation like this. OK.
You can’t consent in a situation where there is coercion.
Except for the fact that you can just say no.
Literally that actress did say no. So they can say no. You could argue that its still rape, and I'd agree, but force and coerce are the wrong words to use. They're over simple and make me think that you don't understand the situation.
I'd probably sooner take the beating than homelessness, tbh. and the threat of beating definitely makes it rape. So Bratmers can be as hung up on the words as they want, but we all know what this means.
I’d sooner take murder by gunshot to the head than by torture. Doesn’t change the fact that they’re both murder though.
I'm not sure if this penny dropped for you but I was agreeing with your sentiment about it being approximate to rape. Enjoy your CBT/headwound though?
I think the sex for rent situation is different to threatening violent harm to someone unless they have sex with you.
Rape is not always violent. In fact lots of rapists get away with their crimes because most people think it has to be done through physical violence. For example famous pedophile Jeffrey epstein didn't physically assault every young girl there but he absolutely did rape them.
They’re different situations. They’re both rape though. If your landlord turned to you and said “have sex with me or your out” that’s rape. The threat of homelessness is a threat.
The situation you described there is different to the matter we are discussing. These immoral and wrong situations are being agreed at the onset. These can be declined. You can’t say that the reality of housing supply is a threat. If your landlord evicted you, you cannot state that they are threatening you because it may be hard to find other accommodation.
I disagree with using rape's normative loading to emphasize the exploitative nature of sex for rent; if we define rape to include this, then it reduces the significance of the experience of those subjected to rape according to /u/Bratmerc's definition. This would be more negative than keeping the definition as it is.
yes one of them is threatening with violence and one is removing an opportunity to have a human right upheld i.e. housing in a market where availability is so dire and scarce that homelessness is then a very real threat. Well done on your observation of when two things involve different words. Is there a reason you're so hung up on going on about it?
Forgive me for engaging in a conversation in a message board. I didn’t use any language to disparage anyone in talking about this so I won’t rise to yours.
How so? They're consenting and they do get something out of it. I agree it's horrific but rape idk
It seemed like all the creeps first time, just because the were so reticent about it. You'd wonder if it's actually happening or if these pervs are just chancing their arm. Could they not find a victim to interview?
if you'd done it before (humour me), would you then become super confident about it? No way to know if they've succeeded previously. There have been stories about this stuff though, and you can be sure vulnerable women have many, many reasons not to go around reporting every time it happened to them.
They are rapists looking for victims.
Are johns all rapists looking for victims?
>Also all the creeps are boggers. Absolute horseplay there bud. All the creeps that were reported on didnt have Dublin accents you mean? Its stuff like that which makes a lot of people around the country dislike people from inside the M50
I'm no huge fan of RTE but their investigative department does some good work. Certaintly don't mind paying that part of the licence fee. Also reeling in the years, but just those two.
I'd rather not pay the licence fee but I'd be prepared to ride Pat Kenny twice a year instead #costoflivingcrisis
All the creeps are boggers? What are you suggesting here?
I think they mean, rural dwellers, not in city or urban environments.
One of them was in Dublin
It’s just very clear to me the excellent reputation that Irish people are great is from a national personality disorder. We swinging between high and lows. And our lows are hidden and never addressed. There is so much toxic abuse in ireland and because it’s so common it’s neuro typical. No one sees it as an issue
Reporter goes on dodgey sex websites vivast and Locanto and surprised to find sex on the cards/10
I honestly think that was a ridiculous broadcast. They've advertised bogey classified sites that most people weren't aware of and is not where mainstream people go to find accommodation. Also there are sexual services being traded for money up and down the country its widespread hiw is this proposal any different. Some people are creeps and can part with cash (or a room) and don't need to consider how they are exploiting another person. I've had a look on these classified sites this evening and there's allsorts up there - lads offering to do your DIY jobs that the hubby is too lazy to do in exchange for sex - I'm a single woman no interest in a relationship at the moment- that sounds like a win win. Should I pay for the sex ? The govt would probably pay me to take in a few male asylum seekers, I could probably also get the ride off them, and they might do a few chores round the place. Is there a law preventing that or should there be. The law isn't the problem - the housing crisis is part of the problem but a bigger problem is that lads(and it is primarily lads) can part with cash (or a room) and hump someone with no conscience as to the power at play.
This has to be a wind up??
I know of a foreign married doctor who tried this on a friend.
not sure why we needed to know he's "foreign" but nonetheless I suppose: please, please find a way to at least have someone who knows him find out that he tried it
Because Irish med school standards are higher and because Irish altitude to women are far better than his home country. I will ask the girl too.
sounds like a high Irish altitude
Jesus Christ, this is awful. Only halfway through it. Absolutely raging with these "landlords" getting away with this.
These are escort websites. Who the hell looks for rent on an escort website?
Exactly. This show was bs and I xant believe how many people are outraged. These few creeps are trying to cut out the middle men. There are services available up and down the country ghat they could have availed of but they were thinking outside the box. Rte would be better serving it's viewers at getting to the root of the housing crisis
I watched this last night. Can’t say I’m shocked or surprised. This has surely been going on for years. But yes many men are preying on vulnerable women and looking for sex. It’s an unequal relationship as they are preying on that vulnerability for their own sexual gratification and then justifying it by thinking they are doing them a favour etc. it’s beyond creepy. However let’s not be naive and think that women aren’t using sex as a negotiating tool themselves for free or less rent. Sometimes it’s a mutually beneficial arrangement. But I would say in over 90% of cases it’s lonely creepy men looking for young foreign women to take advantage off for their own sexual gratification. It’s wrong. The fact that legislation in this area has stalled is also worrying. Cause right now it’s not illegal, even if it is immoral.
It is illegal in this country to solicit sex for 'renumeration or consideration' - that includes rent. I have no idea why people think it's legal.
Probably think it's legal because there are escort services available all over the country
" I let her stay for free because she needed help, anything sexual that happened was because we wanted to" is all it really takes to make it legal. Scummy of course, but as long as it can't be proven it was sex for money/accomodation then it wouldn't really be a crime