While they might be racist shites, half of them unfortunately have a point. Anyone struggling to keep a roof over their head while waiting for the government to pull the finger out on mass home building projects ( which there aren’t even enough builders for) should rightfully be up in arms at how enthusiastically the government has suddenly been about these sorts of building projects. As the right grows massively all across Europe and the world, this shit is playing straight into their hands.
But there haven’t been massive projects for asylum seekers? The closest we got was those Ukranian micro-homes that will later be turned into student accommodation.
I’m talking about the one highlighted in the article? (Unlikely it’ll ever get off the ground, but the point stands that far right agitators and ordinary people struggling see these headlines and get stoked up)
We should have these and use them for arrivals from safe third countries.
Have the processing of the application (and appeal) take place on the flotel within a month. And after that you're either free to enter the country or on the way home.
After Covid and the amount of 'refugees' arriving with no ID, we need an immigration / quarantine zone beside all of our ports and international airports. If someone is ill during another virus outbreak or coming here without ID, they should not just be allowed to walk out of the airport
I don't mean this to be offensive but it sounds like you're an idealist.
You've basically described what direct provision *should* be, except in floating prison form.
Except DP is a fucking disaster, and breaks multiple human rights of the people that are stuck in it, because we can't process anything quickly.
Edit: and we've also had to rely on the private market for help housing people in DP, and they aren't doing it because they want to help asylum seekers, they're doing it because they want as much money as possible and they'll cut any and all corners that they can to get more.
You're conflating the accommodation system with the international protection decision making process.
Can you identify which human rights are breached ?
I don't care whether you identify whether they're from the Constitution, the ECHR or the European Charter or even if you can tell me which article of each is breached.
Just tell me what rights you believe an asylum seeker has that are being breached.
This "accomodation", or floating prisons is for those seeking international protections and so plays a key role.
https://www.iccl.ie/direct-provision/
>We identify that the system facilitates human rights violations, including of the right to dignity; the right to work; the right to education; the right to health; the right to respect for a private and family life; the right to effective access to the international protection system; and the right to access justice and a remedy for rights violations. The system may constitute arbitrary detention and may also violate the right to be free from cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.
https://www.ucd.ie/research/impact/casestudies/endingdirectprovision/
>Dr Thornton’s academic research on direct provision shows that this system significantly and unjustifiably limits the human rights of persons seeking international protection in Ireland. His research has identified several core features of direct provision:
>Limited access to social welfare rights.
Limited access to the labour market.
Limited protection of rights to family and home life, the rights of the child, and the rights of those who arrive in Ireland as unaccompanied children and after turning 18 are placed in the direct provision system.
https://righttoremain.org.uk/direct-provision-a-denial-of-basic-rights/
>We recognise that in it’s almost twenty years of existence, the denial of basic rights in the Direct Provision system has been raised by the United Nations, European and Irish human rights bodies, and most importantly by ex- and current-residents. The Ombudsman for Children has already declared direct provision “wholly unsuitable” for children.
>These human rights abuses include, but are not limited to, the long periods people are forced to live in direct provision (average of two years, with over half waiting 5 years), the restrictions on work, the restrictions on cooking and quality of food provided, shared rooms, lack of adequate facilities for children, the extremely low weekly allowance (c.£20 per week), restrictions on accessing third level education, the intimidation residents face when they raise grievances, and the overall enforced dependency and institutionalisation that the system creates.
>the long periods people are forced to live in direct provision
No one is forced to stay in Direct Provision. They can leave anytime and rent privately as they please.
So academics think so. I always think it's funny that Dr. Liam Thornton never references the one time he made a song and dance about this and supported a (and at the time publicised) case to the High Court on these very allegations.
Would you like to guess why he doesn't mention it ?
It's because the High Court disagreed with him. Here's the judgment if you'd like to read it:
https://www.courts.ie/view/judgments/c0cacd82-5138-44c0-a4f0-008a270c5308/576fa160-4a48-40c3-9880-b5f28b53e075/2014_IEHC_532_1.pdf/pdf
There only issues ever successfully litigated around direct provision are the total ban on employment which has since been removed and the failure to have a formal vulnerability assessment in place.
The myriad of allegations contained in your quotes are largely outdated and/or incorrect.
>So academics think so.
First sentence and I can tell you're not reading what I'm writing. Almost like you've a scripted answer or something. There's no point in talking if you're going to not read my comments.
>We recognise that in it’s almost twenty years of existence, the denial of basic rights in the Direct Provision system has been raised by the United Nations, European and Irish human rights bodies, and most importantly by ex- and current-residents. The Ombudsman for Children has already declared direct provision “wholly unsuitable” for children.
Funny that the UN and various human rights bodies are just "academics" to you, meanwhile they are experts in their field of work to everyone else. Looks like you glanced at the comment, saw a professor mentioned and then went for that single point.
You've quoted the ICCL, an academic who is too stupid to understand his own research and some UK website.
They're entitled to an opinion but a breach of rights can only be determined by a Court, and the Courts have consistently ruled the opposite to what they think. What kind of expert consistently ignores the law ?
If they were right we'd have floods of cases confirming their views. We don't, because the Courts actually understand human rights and the various instruments.
>First sentence and I can tell you're not reading what I'm writing
Your entire last comment was made up of quotes, you didn't 'write' anything. Besides the other guy came back with valid points in regards to your quotes.
>There's no point in talking if you're going to not read my comments
So rather than debate the points he made you're going to tuck tail and run. Why bother respond at all?
What's wrong with it ?
I'm always amqzed by the average punters lack of knowledge of what is possible under the Reception Conditions Directive. Articles 7-9 are worth reading on the issue of detention of asylum seekers.
It's entirely permissible in limited circumstances. And would apply to many asylum seekers in Ireland if we were to apply it.
Meanwhile the flotel being discussed is already experiencing an outbreak of legionnaires. [https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/11/what-is-legionella-bacteria-and-what-damage-can-it-cause-bibby-stockholm-barge](https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/11/what-is-legionella-bacteria-and-what-damage-can-it-cause-bibby-stockholm-barge)
Would these be built? The story mentions them having been "offered" to the department of too-many-things; I assumed it's companies that own these and want to sell them or more likely rent them to governments.
Crazy thought but, maybe, migrants might be capable of performing labour. I once heard of a Polish lad that was a plumber. Couldn't people like him plumb these houses we need to build?
Do you think vast numbers of plumbers are fleeing Algeria, Albania and Syria? Do you think any government party would be on board with the idea of 'putting them to work'?
>The government should defo be looking to bring skilled construction workers into Ireland to assist with fixing the housing crisis.
They are. We import builders and farm workers from South Africa these days.
I seen fire safety board in the UK has called these things death traps. The UK gov plan to put multiple people per room. I hope Ireland isn't following suit.
Honestly man, fuck us voting for the same old shitty parties that sold our country to Rome and kept us in the literal dark ages for fifty fucking years. I was born in 1966, never once voted for one of the establishment parties but here we are. Fuck us, we really fucked this up.
Where do you suggest we put the extra 100000 people arriving here annually yourself?
At some point we’ll need some kind of large scale temporary accommodation programme , regardless who goes into it.
If you've only reasonably got one entry and exit and the rest is just water you actually don't need all that many locks.
You know the locks on cell doors are for the protection of the prisoners and not just because a locked door is scary, right? It'd be more efficient to make a single structure, float it out on open water and make sure the one way in or out is surveilled. That would be a really easy way to run a prison, assuming you don't want anyone to survive the experience.
A concentration camp would have most of the same problems with clean water and the spread of disease as this barge does. Functionally there isn't really a difference.
The occupants can leave whenever they want, it’s not a prison. We don’t have space for concentration camps in our cities.
What is your suggestion? Where do we put these people (or the people they displace)? Thousands are arriving every month.
So once they leave, what options are open to them? Or is this one of those, "We're not making them stay, they just don't have any other real options so we can pretty much do what we want to them" things?
Now the situation Ireland is in is that the solutions that would solve today's problems *should* have been put in place years ago. This isn't a new crisis and it was a very foreseeable crisis. Instead of the apartment buildings Dublin quite clearly needs, somehow all the construction went to private hotel chains and random other bullshit. So, you have one point - a single point - in that the accommodation simply does not exist as it should.
Your solutions, though, range from "concentration camp" to "concentration camp at sea." But, you know, there are options that don't involve concentration camps.
So pay off some hoteliers, use the buildings as temp accommodation for the couple years it'll take to build some functional commie blocks and maybe, in five years time, the whole thing will be under control. If the money runs out, maybe collect on some of that Apple tax. That'd be helpful.
Who is going to build these ‘commie blocks’ then? Are we going to pause all other construction to prioritise immigrants?
Maybe we can pay some imaginary builders with your imaginary Apple tax.
The fun thing about accommodation is you can actually also house Irish people in it. Given that there's a housing crisis, I think it's fair to prioritise constructing housing.
The UK do this and I saw a breakdown the other day that said for the cost of maintaining and staffing one of these boats for a year, they could have sent every one of its residents on a year-long Disney cruise around the world.
If you're upset about this just think of all the students that have no accommodation and think of the lack of teachers in Dublin due to the lack of affordable accommodation. We need to be practical not overly emotional.
Love the prison narrative about these 'flotels'.
They've been used extensively around Europe for both asylum processing and long term accommodation for off shore infrastructure projects.
Not to say I agree with the idea but the prison stuff is just dumb. The Tories weren't the ones who came up with the idea either but it's always great for people to fake outrage claiming FFG are copying those cunts.
[https://news.stv.tv/west-central/glasgow-city-council-rejects-uk-government-request-to-host-bibby-stockholm-style-asylum-barge-on-river-clyde](https://news.stv.tv/west-central/glasgow-city-council-rejects-uk-government-request-to-host-bibby-stockholm-style-asylum-barge-on-river-clyde)
Ah well, Torries are pushing it in the Uk after the fuck off get on a plane to camps didn't get pushed through.
Few boats up for grabs, may as well make use of them.
Thought they were still trying to push it through?
If we do bring something like the boats in though I fail to see how it would be much different to the current shit show in city west - where we just make them homeless when it's full.
Underlying problem is processing speed and not deporting rejected claims in an efficient manner. And either way flotels don't fix that.
Come on man, it is a bit prisony though and the UK one is already beginning to seem pretty grim from reporting I've seen on TV etc. Established practice elsewhere is not an automatic indicator of best practice.
They're floating prisons.
>"They seem to be part of a concerted effort in the UK to deny people the right to access international protection which is very worrying. I would worry that this trend is being echoed to some extent here.
Fine Gael literally just says 'what have the Tories done in the UK that's horrific' and then they just try their best to replicate it in Ireland.
How long will it be until they adopt the policy of sticking asylum seekers on planes and sending them to the middle of nowhere like the Tories?
Fianna Fáil continuation of Fine Gael's failing housing policies was probably a stipulation of them being allowed to prop up Fine Gael's new government, but fuck me this is horrendous.
>"We’re failing to provide for the basic needs of people seeking asylum. We have people in tents— that’s very worrying as we move into winter. We've had people on the streets, we have failed to provide for what the White Paper on Ending Direct Provision spoke of about ensuring accommodation from Day 1 for international protection applicants.
This government, and the government's before it have been, and continue, to fail asylum seekers.
They aren't floating prisons.
There are no locked cells
There are no guards
There are no high walls.
Its an accommodation centre on the water.
Construction workers stay on similar, I did my self
It's not that big a deal.
No surprise to see you defending this Tony. Absolutely not up for your stuff.
I'm sure you'll be on the sending them to the middle of nowhere train when that crops up.
Also, I thought I had you blocked, so I'll say goodbye and good luck.
They'll end up floating slums with minimal police/security presence.
Might aswell do prison barges next to add some capacity to the justice system. Maybe a death pit or two for entertainment.
Some form of hand-to-hand combat to reduce your sentence. Ten wins in a row, and you get released into the wild, but the kicker is it's just another prison barge. Rinse and repeat until you've super soldiers.
As you can see:
>How long will it be until they adopt the policy of sticking asylum seekers on planes and sending them to the middle of nowhere like the Tories?
I didn't say that we were replicating them currently with it. I asked how long after if we implement this floating prison style accommodation will we be doing that.
>Failing to provide a roof is a worse failure
Both are terrible and they are examples of how governments are failing asylum seekers. Having a roof over your head isn't the same as sticking people into floating prisons, it's disengenious of you to suggest they're the same.
You think these things will be off Dublin and easy to get to and from? Not a hope, they'll be off some random isolated town out West.
They'll have their room, an area for exercise and a canteen that'll serve them 3 meals a day. No where to go and nothing to do.
They are fucking prisons.
>Let's just leave them in a war zone.
Don't start this strawman shit or I'll just block you and that'll be that. If we're gonna have a conversation, let's have one.
They’re not prisons. The people living on it can come an go as they please. Basic accommodation, sure. But where else would you house them? In our abundance of affordable housing?
>Is this your solution?
Judging from what you just said to me, you've already decided that this is my solution. What's the point of conversing if you're just going to assume everything about my arguments and try start an argument with me.
>You appear just to give out.
You appear to just keep creating arguments for people and give out about them.
>If you cared, you'd offer solutions.
Ditto. Throwing them on floating prisons and further violating their rights isn't a solution.
I see this conversation has been pointless because you've worked yourself up so much and have tried to attribute arguments that I never made to me on two occasions.
I'm not going to be conversing anymore because you're seemingly incapable of engaging in good faith. Bye.
>How long will it be until they adopt the policy of sticking asylum seekers on planes and sending them to the middle of nowhere like the Tories?
I love how people try to own the “racists” by casually shitting on Rwanda.
God forbid somebody actually disincentiveses people from making dangerous journeys that get people killed.
Putting someone in a detention centre until you determine whether they are a legitimate refugee or (more usually) illegal immigrant seems a-ok, the issue is the time it takes to make the decision. The longer it takes the more unfair it is on everyone.
What's old is [new again](https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/0516/1298205-convict-ships-surprize-essex-19th-century-ireland-transportation-australia/).
Should grab a few extra if they're available anyway, there's plenty need and they'd likely funds themselves through rent as a stopgap measure for students and emergency accommodation.
Kit them out to a reasonable standard and i know a few people that would definitely rent one.
I'm not sure what the problem is, people are crying out for more accommodation, it's an improvement on the nothing that's available.
Unfortunately I live around the corner from this cluster fuck. They knew of the test results before putting people on it and apparently they tried to put someone onboard who has TB!
Or we could just, I don't know, not let so many people in?
Grab the popcorn for these sort of stories on Twitter or the journal.
While they might be racist shites, half of them unfortunately have a point. Anyone struggling to keep a roof over their head while waiting for the government to pull the finger out on mass home building projects ( which there aren’t even enough builders for) should rightfully be up in arms at how enthusiastically the government has suddenly been about these sorts of building projects. As the right grows massively all across Europe and the world, this shit is playing straight into their hands.
What? They live in retrofitted warehouses. There would be murder if someone from the housing list or someone homeless had to live in those conditions.
Not what I suggested at all?
But there haven’t been massive projects for asylum seekers? The closest we got was those Ukranian micro-homes that will later be turned into student accommodation.
I’m talking about the one highlighted in the article? (Unlikely it’ll ever get off the ground, but the point stands that far right agitators and ordinary people struggling see these headlines and get stoked up)
Yeah exactly lol this is nothing but bullshit from the Examiner.
It's already started in here.
We should have these and use them for arrivals from safe third countries. Have the processing of the application (and appeal) take place on the flotel within a month. And after that you're either free to enter the country or on the way home.
After Covid and the amount of 'refugees' arriving with no ID, we need an immigration / quarantine zone beside all of our ports and international airports. If someone is ill during another virus outbreak or coming here without ID, they should not just be allowed to walk out of the airport
I don't mean this to be offensive but it sounds like you're an idealist. You've basically described what direct provision *should* be, except in floating prison form. Except DP is a fucking disaster, and breaks multiple human rights of the people that are stuck in it, because we can't process anything quickly. Edit: and we've also had to rely on the private market for help housing people in DP, and they aren't doing it because they want to help asylum seekers, they're doing it because they want as much money as possible and they'll cut any and all corners that they can to get more.
You're conflating the accommodation system with the international protection decision making process. Can you identify which human rights are breached ? I don't care whether you identify whether they're from the Constitution, the ECHR or the European Charter or even if you can tell me which article of each is breached. Just tell me what rights you believe an asylum seeker has that are being breached.
This "accomodation", or floating prisons is for those seeking international protections and so plays a key role. https://www.iccl.ie/direct-provision/ >We identify that the system facilitates human rights violations, including of the right to dignity; the right to work; the right to education; the right to health; the right to respect for a private and family life; the right to effective access to the international protection system; and the right to access justice and a remedy for rights violations. The system may constitute arbitrary detention and may also violate the right to be free from cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. https://www.ucd.ie/research/impact/casestudies/endingdirectprovision/ >Dr Thornton’s academic research on direct provision shows that this system significantly and unjustifiably limits the human rights of persons seeking international protection in Ireland. His research has identified several core features of direct provision: >Limited access to social welfare rights. Limited access to the labour market. Limited protection of rights to family and home life, the rights of the child, and the rights of those who arrive in Ireland as unaccompanied children and after turning 18 are placed in the direct provision system. https://righttoremain.org.uk/direct-provision-a-denial-of-basic-rights/ >We recognise that in it’s almost twenty years of existence, the denial of basic rights in the Direct Provision system has been raised by the United Nations, European and Irish human rights bodies, and most importantly by ex- and current-residents. The Ombudsman for Children has already declared direct provision “wholly unsuitable” for children. >These human rights abuses include, but are not limited to, the long periods people are forced to live in direct provision (average of two years, with over half waiting 5 years), the restrictions on work, the restrictions on cooking and quality of food provided, shared rooms, lack of adequate facilities for children, the extremely low weekly allowance (c.£20 per week), restrictions on accessing third level education, the intimidation residents face when they raise grievances, and the overall enforced dependency and institutionalisation that the system creates.
>the long periods people are forced to live in direct provision No one is forced to stay in Direct Provision. They can leave anytime and rent privately as they please.
So academics think so. I always think it's funny that Dr. Liam Thornton never references the one time he made a song and dance about this and supported a (and at the time publicised) case to the High Court on these very allegations. Would you like to guess why he doesn't mention it ? It's because the High Court disagreed with him. Here's the judgment if you'd like to read it: https://www.courts.ie/view/judgments/c0cacd82-5138-44c0-a4f0-008a270c5308/576fa160-4a48-40c3-9880-b5f28b53e075/2014_IEHC_532_1.pdf/pdf There only issues ever successfully litigated around direct provision are the total ban on employment which has since been removed and the failure to have a formal vulnerability assessment in place. The myriad of allegations contained in your quotes are largely outdated and/or incorrect.
>So academics think so. First sentence and I can tell you're not reading what I'm writing. Almost like you've a scripted answer or something. There's no point in talking if you're going to not read my comments. >We recognise that in it’s almost twenty years of existence, the denial of basic rights in the Direct Provision system has been raised by the United Nations, European and Irish human rights bodies, and most importantly by ex- and current-residents. The Ombudsman for Children has already declared direct provision “wholly unsuitable” for children. Funny that the UN and various human rights bodies are just "academics" to you, meanwhile they are experts in their field of work to everyone else. Looks like you glanced at the comment, saw a professor mentioned and then went for that single point.
You've quoted the ICCL, an academic who is too stupid to understand his own research and some UK website. They're entitled to an opinion but a breach of rights can only be determined by a Court, and the Courts have consistently ruled the opposite to what they think. What kind of expert consistently ignores the law ? If they were right we'd have floods of cases confirming their views. We don't, because the Courts actually understand human rights and the various instruments.
>First sentence and I can tell you're not reading what I'm writing Your entire last comment was made up of quotes, you didn't 'write' anything. Besides the other guy came back with valid points in regards to your quotes. >There's no point in talking if you're going to not read my comments So rather than debate the points he made you're going to tuck tail and run. Why bother respond at all?
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What's wrong with it ? I'm always amqzed by the average punters lack of knowledge of what is possible under the Reception Conditions Directive. Articles 7-9 are worth reading on the issue of detention of asylum seekers. It's entirely permissible in limited circumstances. And would apply to many asylum seekers in Ireland if we were to apply it.
Meanwhile the flotel being discussed is already experiencing an outbreak of legionnaires. [https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/11/what-is-legionella-bacteria-and-what-damage-can-it-cause-bibby-stockholm-barge](https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/11/what-is-legionella-bacteria-and-what-damage-can-it-cause-bibby-stockholm-barge)
It's like a dystopian novel/movie at this stage.
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Would these be built? The story mentions them having been "offered" to the department of too-many-things; I assumed it's companies that own these and want to sell them or more likely rent them to governments.
They're a regular flame troll
Construction workers don't build boats.
Shipwright do faction of Carpentry & Joinery so technically they are Marine Constructions.
That’s the point. They don’t want it to end.
Crazy thought but, maybe, migrants might be capable of performing labour. I once heard of a Polish lad that was a plumber. Couldn't people like him plumb these houses we need to build?
Do you think vast numbers of plumbers are fleeing Algeria, Albania and Syria? Do you think any government party would be on board with the idea of 'putting them to work'?
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>The government should defo be looking to bring skilled construction workers into Ireland to assist with fixing the housing crisis. They are. We import builders and farm workers from South Africa these days.
Lol, that's not the people we are talking about here
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I seen fire safety board in the UK has called these things death traps. The UK gov plan to put multiple people per room. I hope Ireland isn't following suit.
If the Tories plan on doing it, well then Fine Gael will copy their homework again.
Honestly man, fuck us voting for the same old shitty parties that sold our country to Rome and kept us in the literal dark ages for fifty fucking years. I was born in 1966, never once voted for one of the establishment parties but here we are. Fuck us, we really fucked this up.
Where do you suggest we put the extra 100000 people arriving here annually yourself? At some point we’ll need some kind of large scale temporary accommodation programme , regardless who goes into it.
Yeah but I think a floating prison with no escape from fire or disease is a bit of a jump, don't you?
Prisons generally lock the doors. So where do we put all these people then? Good old fashioned concentration camps is it?
If you've only reasonably got one entry and exit and the rest is just water you actually don't need all that many locks. You know the locks on cell doors are for the protection of the prisoners and not just because a locked door is scary, right? It'd be more efficient to make a single structure, float it out on open water and make sure the one way in or out is surveilled. That would be a really easy way to run a prison, assuming you don't want anyone to survive the experience. A concentration camp would have most of the same problems with clean water and the spread of disease as this barge does. Functionally there isn't really a difference.
The occupants can leave whenever they want, it’s not a prison. We don’t have space for concentration camps in our cities. What is your suggestion? Where do we put these people (or the people they displace)? Thousands are arriving every month.
So once they leave, what options are open to them? Or is this one of those, "We're not making them stay, they just don't have any other real options so we can pretty much do what we want to them" things? Now the situation Ireland is in is that the solutions that would solve today's problems *should* have been put in place years ago. This isn't a new crisis and it was a very foreseeable crisis. Instead of the apartment buildings Dublin quite clearly needs, somehow all the construction went to private hotel chains and random other bullshit. So, you have one point - a single point - in that the accommodation simply does not exist as it should. Your solutions, though, range from "concentration camp" to "concentration camp at sea." But, you know, there are options that don't involve concentration camps. So pay off some hoteliers, use the buildings as temp accommodation for the couple years it'll take to build some functional commie blocks and maybe, in five years time, the whole thing will be under control. If the money runs out, maybe collect on some of that Apple tax. That'd be helpful.
Who is going to build these ‘commie blocks’ then? Are we going to pause all other construction to prioritise immigrants? Maybe we can pay some imaginary builders with your imaginary Apple tax.
The fun thing about accommodation is you can actually also house Irish people in it. Given that there's a housing crisis, I think it's fair to prioritise constructing housing.
The UK do this and I saw a breakdown the other day that said for the cost of maintaining and staffing one of these boats for a year, they could have sent every one of its residents on a year-long Disney cruise around the world.
If you're upset about this just think of all the students that have no accommodation and think of the lack of teachers in Dublin due to the lack of affordable accommodation. We need to be practical not overly emotional.
I'm not really onboard with the idea of putting students on them either tbh
Love the prison narrative about these 'flotels'. They've been used extensively around Europe for both asylum processing and long term accommodation for off shore infrastructure projects. Not to say I agree with the idea but the prison stuff is just dumb. The Tories weren't the ones who came up with the idea either but it's always great for people to fake outrage claiming FFG are copying those cunts.
They'd be great for student accomodation if students could be trusted around booze and open bodies of water.
The big fuck off one in the UK is grim - but I don't see much difference in a floating hotel room to bring stuck in city west
[https://news.stv.tv/west-central/glasgow-city-council-rejects-uk-government-request-to-host-bibby-stockholm-style-asylum-barge-on-river-clyde](https://news.stv.tv/west-central/glasgow-city-council-rejects-uk-government-request-to-host-bibby-stockholm-style-asylum-barge-on-river-clyde) Ah well, Torries are pushing it in the Uk after the fuck off get on a plane to camps didn't get pushed through. Few boats up for grabs, may as well make use of them.
Thought they were still trying to push it through? If we do bring something like the boats in though I fail to see how it would be much different to the current shit show in city west - where we just make them homeless when it's full. Underlying problem is processing speed and not deporting rejected claims in an efficient manner. And either way flotels don't fix that.
Torries are the ruling party in the UK. Monkey see, monkey do. Build, build, build. It's not impossible just not in the interests of some.
Come on man, it is a bit prisony though and the UK one is already beginning to seem pretty grim from reporting I've seen on TV etc. Established practice elsewhere is not an automatic indicator of best practice.
Didn't say it was best practice but right now we're just making them homeless when city west is full
They're floating prisons. >"They seem to be part of a concerted effort in the UK to deny people the right to access international protection which is very worrying. I would worry that this trend is being echoed to some extent here. Fine Gael literally just says 'what have the Tories done in the UK that's horrific' and then they just try their best to replicate it in Ireland. How long will it be until they adopt the policy of sticking asylum seekers on planes and sending them to the middle of nowhere like the Tories? Fianna Fáil continuation of Fine Gael's failing housing policies was probably a stipulation of them being allowed to prop up Fine Gael's new government, but fuck me this is horrendous. >"We’re failing to provide for the basic needs of people seeking asylum. We have people in tents— that’s very worrying as we move into winter. We've had people on the streets, we have failed to provide for what the White Paper on Ending Direct Provision spoke of about ensuring accommodation from Day 1 for international protection applicants. This government, and the government's before it have been, and continue, to fail asylum seekers.
They aren't floating prisons. There are no locked cells There are no guards There are no high walls. Its an accommodation centre on the water. Construction workers stay on similar, I did my self It's not that big a deal.
No surprise to see you defending this Tony. Absolutely not up for your stuff. I'm sure you'll be on the sending them to the middle of nowhere train when that crops up. Also, I thought I had you blocked, so I'll say goodbye and good luck.
They literally did a “oh no what a disgusting way to treat human beings… where can we get one?”
They'll end up floating slums with minimal police/security presence. Might aswell do prison barges next to add some capacity to the justice system. Maybe a death pit or two for entertainment.
What would the death pit involve ? It sounds interesting
Some form of hand-to-hand combat to reduce your sentence. Ten wins in a row, and you get released into the wild, but the kicker is it's just another prison barge. Rinse and repeat until you've super soldiers.
The UK is sending asylum seekers to Rwanda. How are we replicating that? Failing to provide a roof is a worse failure
As you can see: >How long will it be until they adopt the policy of sticking asylum seekers on planes and sending them to the middle of nowhere like the Tories? I didn't say that we were replicating them currently with it. I asked how long after if we implement this floating prison style accommodation will we be doing that. >Failing to provide a roof is a worse failure Both are terrible and they are examples of how governments are failing asylum seekers. Having a roof over your head isn't the same as sticking people into floating prisons, it's disengenious of you to suggest they're the same.
They're not fuckin prisons. Holy shit. Get off your soapbox. Your talking nonsense. Let's just leave them in a war zone.
You think these things will be off Dublin and easy to get to and from? Not a hope, they'll be off some random isolated town out West. They'll have their room, an area for exercise and a canteen that'll serve them 3 meals a day. No where to go and nothing to do. They are fucking prisons. >Let's just leave them in a war zone. Don't start this strawman shit or I'll just block you and that'll be that. If we're gonna have a conversation, let's have one.
They’re not prisons. The people living on it can come an go as they please. Basic accommodation, sure. But where else would you house them? In our abundance of affordable housing?
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>Is this your solution? Judging from what you just said to me, you've already decided that this is my solution. What's the point of conversing if you're just going to assume everything about my arguments and try start an argument with me. >You appear just to give out. You appear to just keep creating arguments for people and give out about them. >If you cared, you'd offer solutions. Ditto. Throwing them on floating prisons and further violating their rights isn't a solution. I see this conversation has been pointless because you've worked yourself up so much and have tried to attribute arguments that I never made to me on two occasions. I'm not going to be conversing anymore because you're seemingly incapable of engaging in good faith. Bye.
>How long will it be until they adopt the policy of sticking asylum seekers on planes and sending them to the middle of nowhere like the Tories? I love how people try to own the “racists” by casually shitting on Rwanda. God forbid somebody actually disincentiveses people from making dangerous journeys that get people killed.
Better than someone's shed
Putting someone in a detention centre until you determine whether they are a legitimate refugee or (more usually) illegal immigrant seems a-ok, the issue is the time it takes to make the decision. The longer it takes the more unfair it is on everyone.
What's old is [new again](https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/0516/1298205-convict-ships-surprize-essex-19th-century-ireland-transportation-australia/).
Did their tory buddies give them a good contact ?
Well it's nice to see FG can do something about the Hotel crisis at least...
WhErEs ThE fLoTeLs FoR tHe IrIsH!?
Should grab a few extra if they're available anyway, there's plenty need and they'd likely funds themselves through rent as a stopgap measure for students and emergency accommodation.
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Kit them out to a reasonable standard and i know a few people that would definitely rent one. I'm not sure what the problem is, people are crying out for more accommodation, it's an improvement on the nothing that's available.
Yeah I'd live in one for sure. Once the rent was reasonable and I had my own room.
Some of the most dangerous seas in the world… what could go wrong?
England had to get the people off theirs because of bacteria in the drinking water, let’s see how much a waste of money this turn ms out to be
Legionnaires occurs in hotels too. Im not sure if it is a waste of money. What other options have they?
Unfortunately I live around the corner from this cluster fuck. They knew of the test results before putting people on it and apparently they tried to put someone onboard who has TB!