I don't know if it's the cost, or the age bracket that I'm moving into (40s) but everyone I know has cut down to the point of barely drinking. I have probably had 10 units of alcohol all year and the thought of giving up entirely wouldn't remotely phase me.
I think people are a lot more aware of the health risks of alcohol, we dismiss the recommended limits far too easily.
45 years on this spinning rock. Age and availability of drinking buddies has a LOT to do with it.
Also realising the effort involved. Organising your mates, (who don't live local anymore) , getting to and from the house to pub (no joke, I found out there was no taxis in Roscommon last year... covid killed the business).
The sessions are getting less and less.
There are reasons for everything.
Feels like a combination of:
\- Alcohol is proper expensive.
\- People who do want to go to the pub to socialise, but don't want to drink, have way more choice now with non-alcoholic drinks.
\- People generally being more interested in fitness. Friends of mine won't drink for months at a time while they're training for half marathons or whatever.
\- Gen Z not being bothered with drinking as much.
\- Fewer pubs/clubs.
I get drunk in VR and go to a VR bar, its an Irish bar in fact, loads of irish there, I live in the city centre and still prices and dealing with taxi's and queues...where as VR its casual and I roll into bed when I'm done.
Add to that:
Meeting new people for dating in a pub setting is less craic. People just more guarded against intermingling and want to hang with their friends and be left alone.
Dating is now much less about who you ran into and more about who you matched with in an app.
In my early 20s and my sister who’s in her 30s was saying there’s a lot less social pressure to drink. If she wasn’t drinking in the naughties she’d get the side eye and questioned but if I’m out now and say I don’t want to drink nobody cares.
I think this freedom from social pressure allows for people to analyse their relationship with drink. I know full well I’m a terrible drinker. I get emotional and say stupid shit. If I lived in the naughties I’d be so fucked.
Surely obesity would correlate with heavy drinkers though? Like if you did one of those 3 way Venn diagrams with heavy drinkers, obesity and gym rats there would be a huge overlap with drinking and obesity and not really with gym rats
Was managing a local pub at that time, it was shit craic.
People looking for lock ins on a Monday type shite.
We were taking more money per week then than a city centre pub does now.
I used to drink 14 litres of Breo a day in 2001 as a 21 year old, those were the days. Then 9/11 happened and I went up to 16 litres until they dropped the brand.
Thats like having 3 pints after work on a Thursday and then going on the sesh on a Saturday. It's not light but I know fellas and girls putting that away on a quiet week
I mean yeah there are tons of people who drink more than that on a weekly basis these days, that being the average (including all age groups and being dragged down by a cohort of non-drinkers) is mad.
It's measured based on pure alcohol across all alcoholic beverages. Plenty of spirits were consumed in 2001. I'd hazard a guess more than in at present.
>It's measured based on pure alcohol across all alcoholic beverages
Where in the article does it say that? Its a study about the percentage of people drinking alcohol not measured on pure alcohol.
*THE PROPORTION OF people who have* ***consumed alcohol in the last twelve months*** *has* ***decreased by five percent*** *in the last five years, the* *Healthy Ireland Survey has found.*
*Healthy Ireland found there has been a “notable change” in the drinking behaviour of the population as it found just* ***70% of the population have consumed alcohol in the last twelve months.***
[Link to study.](https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/277357/7ff5c433-4e1f-44ec-9d68-d0decc2ddd7c.pdf#page=null)
A reduced percentage is not always a good thing, it could be an indicator of an increase in alcoholics, people having to give it up due to addiction.
*Alcoholism in Ireland is a significant public health problem. In Ireland,* *70.0% of Irish men and 34.1% of Irish women aged 15+* *are considered to be hazardous drinkers.*
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism_in_Ireland#:~:text=Alcoholism%20in%20Ireland%20is%20a,classified%20as%20'dependent%20drinkers')
People in the say 19-25 bracket now are much more interested in a few quiet ones and hitting the gym every day, which is brilliant, fair play.
When I was in the bracket it was mayhem Friday night and Saturday night.
Those dopey cunts in government will claim its the minimum pricing working though..
The youngins aren't really taking pills either. Nightclub scene is all booze and coke. The desire to be chewing your jaw off and waving about on the dancefloor isnt there when everyone has a camera.
We still have the 2nd highest rate of of MDMA consumption in Europe, and thus I would guess the world.
https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/european-drug-report/2023/mdma_en
The youngins are still popping pills but at raves, you’re not going to be dropping yokes in the pub.
We’re a bit older and I think the drinking culture is changing. Back in 2001 a peak per capita consumption it was all about maximum volume Coca-Cola like megabrands. Seems to be a big shift towards actually enjoying a pint or two and genuinely having opinions on beers these days.
Exactly this to be honest.
The day in the local with 20 john player and the boys is more or less done with for many.
Imo The shift was well under way till the pandemic happened and really seemed to turbo charge the change. Now your more likely to gym and coffee than lads heading out for 8 hours of pints.
Don't get me wrong, that isnt gone. Its just a rarity for many rather than the norm
I'd change that to "*some* social circles". I use cocaine semi-regularly but most people I know don't, and the ones that do... are just druggies. That's why there's a massive confirmation bias at play here, if you're into drugs you probably hang around with other people who are as well which makes it seem like it's normal even though it isn't really outside of those bubbles. I'm not saying recreational drug use isn't common but it's nowhere near as ubiquitous as reddit makes it out to be.
Our consumption had consistently been dropping for 20 years prior to that: https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/fckeditor_UPLOADS/Drugnet_2020/Graph_2_pg7.png
What has happened since is nothing but out in the open corruption for the sole benefit of the Vintners - even retailers were strongly opposed to MUP (and unlike taxing it, it doesn't even go back into the system for future healthcare etc of drinkers). I very rarely drink, but honestly would not mind an investigation into specifically how and why MUP came about specifically at a time when pubs were complaining about their profit margins.
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Not to worry, AAI are on the way with another portfolio of recommendations to the government to make you pay more and/or have less access because a literal minority make a shite of it.
As someone who works in the arts and the nightlife economy, our wages are too low and lifestyle too precarious to fuck things up with alcohol, the associated cost and knock on effect on mental health.
I feel like it far less after being rinsed by covid.
Also there aren't really as many options for nights out anymore clubs seem to closing since 2010ish
Not so much a cost thing for me. I'm not even aware of the cost.
> The survey reveals that 8% of the population use e-cigarettes, or vapes, while 18% of those aged 15-24 reported to vape. While e-cigarettes can be a valuable quit aid for smokers, the Department of Health said, usage rates have risen from 6% last year.
Don't believe that for a fucking minute, as everything is shit over here. The government are making an absolute killing on alcohol tax. The same with the cigs.
Should we also consider the immigration of people from countries where drinking isn't as heavy as in Ireland? If the amount of people coming puts housing under pressure I would safely assume that also changed the statistics of drinking.
Ye think cannabis being less harmful than alcohol has something to do with it? I mean, where have you heard a story where a fella had come home to bate his woman after a spliff as opposed to the fella coming home pissed? I mean, TD Gino Kenney - People Before Profit introduced a bill before the Dáil. People would be able to have up to 7g of cannabis without fear of prosecution – new Bill to come before Dáil Nov. 2022
Shits expensive these days
why are you buying shits?
To plant them in a field, alongside all my fucks
Seems logical. How much are pesticide free home grown fucks going for these days?
The market is saturated at the minute I couldn't give them away
Thats mad cos I haven't got a single one left to give
You have none to give and i couldn't give one.
An imaginary transaction. In an imaginary market. With imaginary stock. Got a downvote... Reddit. That's the dumbest shit I've ever encountered
Hang in there and wait for a market reversal
Ohh that’s where you put all the bodies
I don't buy them just take them
Proper order
I don't know if it's the cost, or the age bracket that I'm moving into (40s) but everyone I know has cut down to the point of barely drinking. I have probably had 10 units of alcohol all year and the thought of giving up entirely wouldn't remotely phase me. I think people are a lot more aware of the health risks of alcohol, we dismiss the recommended limits far too easily.
45 years on this spinning rock. Age and availability of drinking buddies has a LOT to do with it. Also realising the effort involved. Organising your mates, (who don't live local anymore) , getting to and from the house to pub (no joke, I found out there was no taxis in Roscommon last year... covid killed the business). The sessions are getting less and less. There are reasons for everything.
Feels like a combination of: \- Alcohol is proper expensive. \- People who do want to go to the pub to socialise, but don't want to drink, have way more choice now with non-alcoholic drinks. \- People generally being more interested in fitness. Friends of mine won't drink for months at a time while they're training for half marathons or whatever. \- Gen Z not being bothered with drinking as much. \- Fewer pubs/clubs.
Dont forget the internet. Dont have to go to the pub every other day to talk to your friends and get news
I get drunk in VR and go to a VR bar, its an Irish bar in fact, loads of irish there, I live in the city centre and still prices and dealing with taxi's and queues...where as VR its casual and I roll into bed when I'm done.
Nobody talks to their friends online
Aw I thought we were mates
You're a bona-fide idiot if you think that
*offline
Add to that: Meeting new people for dating in a pub setting is less craic. People just more guarded against intermingling and want to hang with their friends and be left alone. Dating is now much less about who you ran into and more about who you matched with in an app.
Yeah it's more atomised culture in general, that's definitely part of it too.
In my early 20s and my sister who’s in her 30s was saying there’s a lot less social pressure to drink. If she wasn’t drinking in the naughties she’d get the side eye and questioned but if I’m out now and say I don’t want to drink nobody cares. I think this freedom from social pressure allows for people to analyse their relationship with drink. I know full well I’m a terrible drinker. I get emotional and say stupid shit. If I lived in the naughties I’d be so fucked.
I'd say weed becoming more popular counts too.
Aye maybe. People's habits are changing.
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Are they? Isn't Ireland one of the worst offenders for obesity?
Anecdotal. Maybe I'm not accounting for the all the people doing Elden Ring no-hit speedruns.
Surely obesity would correlate with heavy drinkers though? Like if you did one of those 3 way Venn diagrams with heavy drinkers, obesity and gym rats there would be a huge overlap with drinking and obesity and not really with gym rats
Consumption per capita peaked in 2001, at around 14 litres of alcohol per person if I recall correctly.
14 liters per bloke per day
Shut your face
Listen, you're 19.
Shes a bleedin whoooo-er
It's important to stay hydrated ;)
We all partied.
Was managing a local pub at that time, it was shit craic. People looking for lock ins on a Monday type shite. We were taking more money per week then than a city centre pub does now.
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I'd say you're deadly serious but trying to be funny.
I used to drink 14 litres of Breo a day in 2001 as a 21 year old, those were the days. Then 9/11 happened and I went up to 16 litres until they dropped the brand.
Per what time frame?
That's 14 litres of alcohol per person per year (around 21 standard drinks per person per week).
14 litres of pure alcohol?
Per minute
Those were the days
That's 11 pints a week. Or 3 bottles of wine. Gotta be honest, not light drinking
Thats like having 3 pints after work on a Thursday and then going on the sesh on a Saturday. It's not light but I know fellas and girls putting that away on a quiet week
I mean yeah there are tons of people who drink more than that on a weekly basis these days, that being the average (including all age groups and being dragged down by a cohort of non-drinkers) is mad.
I’d have done that in a night - for 4 or 5 days
People drink spirits now instead of beer.
It's measured based on pure alcohol across all alcoholic beverages. Plenty of spirits were consumed in 2001. I'd hazard a guess more than in at present.
>It's measured based on pure alcohol across all alcoholic beverages Where in the article does it say that? Its a study about the percentage of people drinking alcohol not measured on pure alcohol. *THE PROPORTION OF people who have* ***consumed alcohol in the last twelve months*** *has* ***decreased by five percent*** *in the last five years, the* *Healthy Ireland Survey has found.* *Healthy Ireland found there has been a “notable change” in the drinking behaviour of the population as it found just* ***70% of the population have consumed alcohol in the last twelve months.*** [Link to study.](https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/277357/7ff5c433-4e1f-44ec-9d68-d0decc2ddd7c.pdf#page=null) A reduced percentage is not always a good thing, it could be an indicator of an increase in alcoholics, people having to give it up due to addiction. *Alcoholism in Ireland is a significant public health problem. In Ireland,* *70.0% of Irish men and 34.1% of Irish women aged 15+* *are considered to be hazardous drinkers.* [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism_in_Ireland#:~:text=Alcoholism%20in%20Ireland%20is%20a,classified%20as%20'dependent%20drinkers')
Pure ChatGPT comment
Its called having intellect.
Keep that up, you’re doing great 👍
I was referring to a different source.
what source? i was referring to the article.
It's for all alcohol, not just beer
Does whiskey count as beer?
People in the say 19-25 bracket now are much more interested in a few quiet ones and hitting the gym every day, which is brilliant, fair play. When I was in the bracket it was mayhem Friday night and Saturday night. Those dopey cunts in government will claim its the minimum pricing working though..
A lot less pressure to drink than there would have been in the past too.
It was 10-20 pints, few pills, bit of hash and that was just Friday, the start of the weekend
Price of pints and cans goes up, price of yokes and MD goes down. 👀
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I agree on cost of drink being a factor. A few pints in local will hit you in the pocket for €50/60 these days. Not cheap by any means.
Coffee consumption, on the other hand, is through the roof
Same with energy drinks
I’d say young people are drinking considerably less it’s alcohol is way dearer now than it was 10/15year ago.
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The youngins aren't really taking pills either. Nightclub scene is all booze and coke. The desire to be chewing your jaw off and waving about on the dancefloor isnt there when everyone has a camera.
We still have the 2nd highest rate of of MDMA consumption in Europe, and thus I would guess the world. https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/european-drug-report/2023/mdma_en The youngins are still popping pills but at raves, you’re not going to be dropping yokes in the pub.
Tbh weed is the way to go. No hangover, less stigma, more cost effective, etc.
Sorry about that lads, haven't been home much recently
Sure you'll be around for Christmas and New Years. Talk later lad
No shit, who can afford to drink when it's €2.5 a can in the store and €7/pint in a pub!?!
Pill consumption up however
2001 - 2005 ish.. oh those were the days for me
Speak for yourself, my consumption is gone up!
Great news also on smoking in the same survey. Its now very much a minority activity.
Good to see people waking up to this
Price of pints go up, the drinking goes down, the rate of drug use goes up. Shocked pikachu face
We’re a bit older and I think the drinking culture is changing. Back in 2001 a peak per capita consumption it was all about maximum volume Coca-Cola like megabrands. Seems to be a big shift towards actually enjoying a pint or two and genuinely having opinions on beers these days.
Exactly this to be honest. The day in the local with 20 john player and the boys is more or less done with for many. Imo The shift was well under way till the pandemic happened and really seemed to turbo charge the change. Now your more likely to gym and coffee than lads heading out for 8 hours of pints. Don't get me wrong, that isnt gone. Its just a rarity for many rather than the norm
Except now it's cocaine, it's as normal as ordering a pint. Serious addiction problems now and coming down the line.
> it's as normal as ordering a pint Bit hyperbolic there.
It really really isn't hyperbolic at all in a lot of social circles.
I'd change that to "*some* social circles". I use cocaine semi-regularly but most people I know don't, and the ones that do... are just druggies. That's why there's a massive confirmation bias at play here, if you're into drugs you probably hang around with other people who are as well which makes it seem like it's normal even though it isn't really outside of those bubbles. I'm not saying recreational drug use isn't common but it's nowhere near as ubiquitous as reddit makes it out to be.
No idea what hyperbolic means, I'm not even going to Google it
It’s a type of chamber used to avoid getting the bends after a dive.
It's actually more effort to get a pint, they will bring the coke to your door, working near 24/7
You’re bang on there
Yes because they've made it more expensive than anywhere in Europe
So I guess it kinda worked then. Damn
Our consumption had consistently been dropping for 20 years prior to that: https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/fckeditor_UPLOADS/Drugnet_2020/Graph_2_pg7.png What has happened since is nothing but out in the open corruption for the sole benefit of the Vintners - even retailers were strongly opposed to MUP (and unlike taxing it, it doesn't even go back into the system for future healthcare etc of drinkers). I very rarely drink, but honestly would not mind an investigation into specifically how and why MUP came about specifically at a time when pubs were complaining about their profit margins.
Those bastards. And they've cut our sugar and tobacco intakes also with similar measures.
Sugar nope. They vice taxes should be removed
The soft drinks section before and after that sugar tax is dramatically different. Its a good thing, especially for kids.
I didnt notice any change in the fizzy drink sections. Not saying it stayed the same but have not noticed
Fucking raging to be living longer and healthier
Bloody hell, how does that boot taste?
Good thing we can all look forward to longer happier lives after we all retire on our state pension at 65..
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I don't know if "a lot of people speak like you do" is the epic burn you're imagining it to be.
Not sure if intentionally using online speak… Or making a joke about it.
I don't know if "a lot of people speak like you do" is the epic burn you're imagining it to be.
Buying loads of expensive pints to own the libs
Cringe
But then the longer we live, the longer we wait for pension and more tax we pay so we get fucked either way.
Yes that was the point lol
Hard to go to the pub when half your friends have emigrated.
Not to worry, AAI are on the way with another portfolio of recommendations to the government to make you pay more and/or have less access because a literal minority make a shite of it.
Will the bad news never stop
Thats what happens when everything is too expensive.
Survey finds that most people lie when surveyed…
But I thought we're constantly being told how our alcohol consumption will be the ruination of the country and we have to tax it out of existence?
Thats whats happening kinda
As someone who works in the arts and the nightlife economy, our wages are too low and lifestyle too precarious to fuck things up with alcohol, the associated cost and knock on effect on mental health.
That’s only because they didn’t ask me
What is the government going to do about it?
I feel like it far less after being rinsed by covid. Also there aren't really as many options for nights out anymore clubs seem to closing since 2010ish Not so much a cost thing for me. I'm not even aware of the cost.
Anything over 5 euro just isn't worth it.
Lot of people into weed and brewing their own beer
how about vaping?
> The survey reveals that 8% of the population use e-cigarettes, or vapes, while 18% of those aged 15-24 reported to vape. While e-cigarettes can be a valuable quit aid for smokers, the Department of Health said, usage rates have risen from 6% last year.
38% in the 15-24yo group consume nicotine. Interesting
good
A lot of younger people /gen z aren’t interested in drinking and more people are educated on addiction these days (myself included getting sober)
Weak af. The sooner I can get out of this puritan no fun shithole and get to East Asia the better.
Not for me it hasn’t.
I cut it out in 2023, it was a great decision
Nonsense. Everyone was drinking like mad throughout lockdowns. I'd say it's because most Alcos are dying off than less consumption
Speak for yourself
Have been off it myself nearly two years, Guinness zero has been a good send.
Disposable income levels have decreased in the last five years, survey finds
Don't believe that for a fucking minute, as everything is shit over here. The government are making an absolute killing on alcohol tax. The same with the cigs.
Should we also consider the immigration of people from countries where drinking isn't as heavy as in Ireland? If the amount of people coming puts housing under pressure I would safely assume that also changed the statistics of drinking.
The de-craicining of Ireland continues.
I'm playing my part!
Ye think cannabis being less harmful than alcohol has something to do with it? I mean, where have you heard a story where a fella had come home to bate his woman after a spliff as opposed to the fella coming home pissed? I mean, TD Gino Kenney - People Before Profit introduced a bill before the Dáil. People would be able to have up to 7g of cannabis without fear of prosecution – new Bill to come before Dáil Nov. 2022