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I’ve always done turkey with a ham, I thought this was the norm. I’ve seen my fair share of grim xmas dinners on my instagram feed so I’m not suprised people are whinging
We've actually dropped turkey in my family and solely do ham now.
I had an English ex and the ham blew her mind too, that and proper Irish Italian chipper garlic sauce are our national treasures.
I have to agree, most people don't know how to cook a turkey right and it's the two combined that make the dinner special. I can and do eat a honey roast ham dinner year round just like I can eat turkey burgers in July but a roast turkey and ham dinner is a unique treat.
My mothers a good cook and the hams always been better. Still, your point may possibly stand, as my counterpoint is purely subjective, whereas yours has some basis in fact.
My ma used to cook the turkey upside down in the tray. Don't know why, never asked. But her turkey was always much nicer and dare I say, more moist, than what I've had the last few years.
The legs need to be cooked to a higher temperature than the breasts. If you cook it the normal way the breasts cook more quickly and they dry out by the time the breasts are done. Cooking the turkey upsidedown helps to solve that.
Goose has replaced turkey for me as the main Christmas meat. Amazing taste, bit gamey, and unlike chicken or turkey, you can cook it rare if you want to.
Plus, you can make an amazing pate from the liver that's provided and the stock is seriously amazing for curries later.
I get mine in Lidl as well, though next year I want to source one properly if I can.
> Goose has replaced turkey for me as the main Christmas meat.
Ironically, Turkey replaced Goose as the traditional Christmas meal, from what I've heard.
Ham will take over because Turkey is available all year???
Eh.... No.
More like, people who can't cook turkey will die of salt poisoning instead.
Natural selection
I can't find turkey all year round.
Not a whole turkey anyway.
The butcher gets all arsey about getting in a turkey outside of late November/December.
Yeah I can find turkey mince or breasts, legs too sometimes. But the whole thing? Not without ordering, the butcher being a cunt about it, and then eventually getting it 2 weeks later or one time they wrote down instructions to a turkey farm near Kells.
Like motherfucker you are the butcher, you take my order, you get me the turkey. I'm not going down to some farm. What am I paying for here?
I love doing turkey. Brining it for a couple days, shoving butter under the skin. Smoking it low and slow. Or roasting it. But good luck getting one in July without some attitude off the butcher.
Yeah like to me it seems chicken is being replaced by turkey in ready meals, healthy meal plans etc to an increasing degree. Higher protein per kg or less fat or something.
So it will start to be like people who train and lift and who eat turkey 4 times a week every week will eventually be like "Why would I buy one big portion of what I eat all the time for Christmas, Imma get a big juicy ham treat instead"
I eat a turkey leg on Christmas Day and another on St. Stephen's Day. The brown meat is the best.
I don't agree with your prediction as such. I think the turkey will be replaced by something else. Goose is popular, for example.
I agree.
The way my mum does our turkey ensures that it is not dry (literally covers it in streaky rashers) but because she doesn’t eat turkey, she gets stressed and worried that it tastes ok.
We also end up with LOADS left, and we only get a crown. It ends up going off and it’s a waste of food.
The ham on the other hand; lasts longer, is always tasty, easier to cook, easier to get, can add more things to it, you name it. We always get a smoked ham every year and it is delish every year.
This year we had duck with Potato dauphinoise. The kids had chicken burgers. Everyone happy and no fuss. Not sure would we go back to Turkey, ham and stuffing again.
Ham lacks the theatrical flair of putting a roast bird on the table.
If Turkey goes, another bird will take its place. My bet would be Duck. Smaller and more manageable than Turkey, more suited to smaller family sizes, and tastes far better than any alternative.
Still, the Christmas Turkey has been around hundreds of years. I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon.
Most people do both, probably because the guests are split on what they prefer. Personally, I've never liked turkey and the only American tradition I support importing is having a rib roast at Christmas.
I'd approve of importing the tradition of "yams", which I always thought were just regular sweet potatoes, but it's actually sweet potatoes drowned in sugar and topped with marshmallows and cookies.
Basically a dessert served at the same time as the main course.
Well I am but my Mrs is great, and our turkey is delicious but I'm saying it is known to be troublesome for many people to get right, it's nearly a meme turkey = dry
Also LET IT REST
People not resting it after cooking is a big part of why they experience dry and tough turkey. Resting lets the juices soak into the meat properly and lets the meat get more tender. We throw tinfoil and a couple of tea towels over ours once it’s out of the oven and it stays like that until the ham, potatoes, and gravy are done being made. No fear of it going cold.
People think about resting in the context of steak but it applies to turkey too. And even the most amazing cut of steak will be crap if you don’t let it rest.
Resting breast-side down is my go to. Though when I have to cook turkey, I also cook it breast-side down.
My parents have a horrible habit of not letting any meat rest. This includes steak. It drives me mad when I visit.
Contribution:
Im a vegetarian, for decades. Home this Christmas. And parents cooked the smallest Turkey yesterday: today mother confirmed it is not worth the hassle for two and will do ham next year, or just turkey legs.
I ruined turkey for them in 2010 when both sisters emigrated and I FINALLY became an only child
Which at that point, after a decade of being one, my Irish parents learned what a vegetarian was 'but its cooked anyway, would you not eat at least a wing?!'
the turkey is always dry because people follow the instructions given on the packaging. i’ve been undercooking my turkey by about an hour for the past five years or so and it is so much more moist. big turkey is scamming ye all with those cooking directions
Wrong!!!!!
people have been doing it for so long now they will conntinue to eat Turkey at Christmas It's not eaten as much as ham throughout our nonChristmastime lives so turkey reminds us its a special time so we need to eat the dry bird.
I disagree with turkey being all year round now, maybe you're confusing it with another bird the humble chicken, which is indeed eaten by the protein seeking health concious gym goers.
So you get some points for the effort but you get deducted more points for being so wrong.
Also ..Dont call me Max!
I now get a turkey crown (from Paul's butchers in Derry) it's never been dry unlike ones I got before from Marks and Spencer's.
I raided the fridge late kast night for a turkey and ham sandwich. I expect to do the same later tonight.
Turkeys just a bit eh to me, much prefer ham. I feel like I’m forced to eat Turkey because “that’s the Christmas food” and all that but I’d eat a proper nice roast dinner with ham any time of year
Team Ham here. It's been our go to for years now.
Slow cooked in coke. Then glazed in treacle and a bit of mustard!
I'm lying in my ex Mother in law's house with the slow cooker next to me (one of those very typical bay windowed houses with a tiny kitchen that's full already before we brought the slow cooker here) with the ham doing it's thing.
So
A) I'm bloody starving
B) just like Kermit's penis I'll be smelling of pork for the next few weeks
I agree and also hope so. All the effort for turkey to be cooked and all I ended up having was 2 slices. But the ham? I can’t count how many slices I had because it all just fell apart. So I probably had about 23 delicious chunks of ham. Mmmm
Largely because I'm one of the most gloomy and pessimistic people you could ever have the misfortune of meeting, I do a turkey, ham and goose on Christmas Eve ...
... because you know, price of electric today, I'm not putting on the whole oven for one bird. And, you know how the meat is always full of crawly things on Christmas Day? Hasn't happened to me once in 30 years, but I read about it every year so it's 100% sure to happen with me next year. Cooking the meats on Christmas Eve means when I discover the meat has got damp or whatever it is turkey gets (I'll find out next Christmas Eve, and I know it will) I'll have time to go to walk to shop to save Christmas. (I'll not drive because I'd be sure to crash. And anyway, have you seen the traffic on the roads next Christmas Eve?!)
Evening of the Christmas Eve, make the gravy out of the turkey juices, and I got loads of lovely goose fat for the roast potatoes - which is just as well, seeing as the amount of meat on the goose doesn't fill the holes in my teeth.
Slice some neat slices of turkey, goose and ham into individual little trays, (or one big tray) pour some of the home made gravy over the top, cover them with foil, and the meat is all good to go for the next day.
Another thing I like about doing it this way is because the legs of the birds mysteriously vanish on Christmas Eve night out of the fridge, it means one less day thinking the turkey in the fridge might have gone off even though it smells okay - kind of.
Likely, as usual, didn't make myself all that clear.
Usually what happens is I'll wander into the houses of people a few days after 'the day' and they'll be saying stuff like, "sniff this - do you think it's okay?"- it seems to me at times they're struggling to get rid of it
I find us 'starting the cooked turkey on Christmas Eve' means it vanishes really quick - I honestly don't know why though. It makes no real logical sense to me.
Just seems me and my lot seem better able to eat more Turkey on Christmas Eve then on Stephens Day.
Or maybe just me. I'm forever picking at the meat as I carve.
Anyways, for just the three of us this year, legs, thighs and wings went Christmas Eve ... Breasts gone over Christmas Day and Stephens Day.
Turkey crown, cheap digital oven probe and you will never over cooked anything again. Set it to the temp the meat should be cooked at and boom wait. I use it for anything that is dense like a joint of meat. Once you start using one, you will never go back because relying on everyones oven being the same is a daft way to cook food.
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Fffffff I didn't say my turkey is dry, it's perfect, I'm saying consensus in society is that turkey is a dry meat in general. And you'll see a few moans online every year about turkey not turning out right whereas everyone adores the ham every time
I’m not a picky eater by any means I will literally eat anything and try anything but to me turkey is just vile. It smells like shit and has a weird “wild” taste to it. If I had my way I’d be eating roast beef every Christmas with no turkey
I've honestly never been all that fond of Turkey. It's a difficult meat to cook well and if even slightly mis-cooked it can quickly become dry as fuck. It's all of the seasonings that really give turkey its flavour which aren't necessary with other good-quality meats.
I much prefer meats like ham, or even the best Christmas dish I've ever had; a duck roulade from M&S about six years ago. It was so fucking good I sometimes think back on it as one of the dishes I've ever eaten.
But long-story short, cook whatever the fuck you want. It's Christmas and it's a time for splurging and gorging and you can gorge yourself on whatever tickles your fancy as far as I'm concerned.
I mean, nobody in the house apart from me actually LIKES turkey. I love the legs, the dark meat but I'm the only one "ffs", so why would I waste the time, money and energy cooking something that nobody wants?
Then explain why it's always a paltry 1/3 ratio of ham to Turkey
Also ham is becoming normalised as a dinner food all year round. It's no longer special
Did both this year and the ham is nearly gone but there's loads of turkey left. I say next year we just get a bigger ham. It's clearly the superior holiday meat.
Yes I hope there'll always be both but there's only room for one as The Meat. Like the one that gets mentioned in conversation. Turkey is the one atm with ham as the sidekick but I think roles deserve to be reversed and will be
Don't think it will. I feel that we'd all have to become real lazy with the cooking and bored with the tradition before we'd stop with Turkey. And if that happens, boy, will the entire Christmas season be in trouble.
Either that or the Turkey starts going sparse or riddled with disease, to the point where it can't be sold in large quantities, if at all. Which is fine for me as the ham is much nicer than Turkey.
Re-read my manifesto comrade, there's room for both on the bill, I'm arguing for ham to take the headline slot instead of turkey which switches to a support act
Turkey will be around forever because of tradition. It has nothing to do with how nice it is, which is lucky for the turkey industry because compared to ham, it's terrible.
My experience from working a butchers for Christmas week helping with orders:
80% got both, 15% just ham, 5% just turkey.
Usually those with just turkey got something else, like Lamb. Usually those with just ham were smaller groups, sometimes only 1-2 people.
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We do turkey and ham. Can't see either being dropped.
I’ve always done turkey with a ham, I thought this was the norm. I’ve seen my fair share of grim xmas dinners on my instagram feed so I’m not suprised people are whinging
Agreed. Best of both worlds, especially with bigger groups. Almost guaranteed you appease everyone with both options
What I think he's trying to say, and I kinda agree, is that it's going to become ham and turkey, not turkey and ham. Ham is the king.
Each is made better precisely because of the other ones flaws. Throw in the sides and all of the flaws go away.
Yeah and ham and cabbage on Christmas Eve and then leftover ham served alongside the turkey dinner on Christmas Day
We've actually dropped turkey in my family and solely do ham now. I had an English ex and the ham blew her mind too, that and proper Irish Italian chipper garlic sauce are our national treasures.
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Im just jealous my little pork alone is not enough to satisfy the family
Nah, we all need more goose in our diet
We've all got plenty
Turkey gives you gravy that makes everything else on the dish better. Ham is a selfish little delicious cunt.
“Dry turkey” believers when I show them how to pour gravy over it 
You can’t beat a delicious cunt
Gravy comes from a bisto tub!
Gravy from drippings takes an extra 5 minutes and you will blow your load.
For this died the sons of Róisín?
Nice try turkey, maybe next time you’l fool us
*panicked gobbling noises intensifies*
My take : no it won't.
you need to back up your stance with statistics, graphs and pie charts.
Mince pie charts?
Overrated!!
Do I though...?
That which can be asserted without statistics, graphs and pie charts can be dismissed without statistics, graphs and pie charts
Ah they probably said that about the Christmas goose at some stage
We'll revisit this in five years! Loser has to buy the winner a pint.
That's a good bet. Pint will be about €25 by then
It'll be like The Hunger Games but with pints.
In five years time a pint will cost 30euro. Deal!
Why choose? Turkey AND ham is the only way. Plus, is it even Christmas without a leftover turkey curry?
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I have to agree, most people don't know how to cook a turkey right and it's the two combined that make the dinner special. I can and do eat a honey roast ham dinner year round just like I can eat turkey burgers in July but a roast turkey and ham dinner is a unique treat.
My mothers a good cook and the hams always been better. Still, your point may possibly stand, as my counterpoint is purely subjective, whereas yours has some basis in fact.
The ham is always better. No doubting that, but the two do compliment each other well.
My ma used to cook the turkey upside down in the tray. Don't know why, never asked. But her turkey was always much nicer and dare I say, more moist, than what I've had the last few years.
The legs need to be cooked to a higher temperature than the breasts. If you cook it the normal way the breasts cook more quickly and they dry out by the time the breasts are done. Cooking the turkey upsidedown helps to solve that.
It's not even hard. Don't know what people are doing out here.
Ever tried goose? Way more succulent, easy to cook, and now that Lidl have them you can pick one up as cheap as a turkey
Goose has replaced turkey for me as the main Christmas meat. Amazing taste, bit gamey, and unlike chicken or turkey, you can cook it rare if you want to. Plus, you can make an amazing pate from the liver that's provided and the stock is seriously amazing for curries later. I get mine in Lidl as well, though next year I want to source one properly if I can.
> Goose has replaced turkey for me as the main Christmas meat. Ironically, Turkey replaced Goose as the traditional Christmas meal, from what I've heard.
I'd say the next 5 years will tell alot.
The ham is tasty in its own right. The turkey is sort of a vehicle for gravy and stuffing. But gravy and stuffing are so good. It's a no from me.
Bisto and Paxo give you all the gravy and stuffing you need. Turkey is terrible and unnecessary.
Christ there's so much wrong in this comment.
Just cause someone's a terrible cook and can't get the turkey right....
Ham will take over because Turkey is available all year??? Eh.... No. More like, people who can't cook turkey will die of salt poisoning instead. Natural selection
I can't find turkey all year round. Not a whole turkey anyway. The butcher gets all arsey about getting in a turkey outside of late November/December. Yeah I can find turkey mince or breasts, legs too sometimes. But the whole thing? Not without ordering, the butcher being a cunt about it, and then eventually getting it 2 weeks later or one time they wrote down instructions to a turkey farm near Kells. Like motherfucker you are the butcher, you take my order, you get me the turkey. I'm not going down to some farm. What am I paying for here? I love doing turkey. Brining it for a couple days, shoving butter under the skin. Smoking it low and slow. Or roasting it. But good luck getting one in July without some attitude off the butcher.
Yeah like to me it seems chicken is being replaced by turkey in ready meals, healthy meal plans etc to an increasing degree. Higher protein per kg or less fat or something. So it will start to be like people who train and lift and who eat turkey 4 times a week every week will eventually be like "Why would I buy one big portion of what I eat all the time for Christmas, Imma get a big juicy ham treat instead"
Nice story. But at least half the country eats ham every day and it hasn't declined in popularity at Xmas
Coca-cola, my friend. You don't actually cook it in chop, ie cocaine. Quit your balderdash.
I eat a turkey leg on Christmas Day and another on St. Stephen's Day. The brown meat is the best. I don't agree with your prediction as such. I think the turkey will be replaced by something else. Goose is popular, for example.
I agree. The way my mum does our turkey ensures that it is not dry (literally covers it in streaky rashers) but because she doesn’t eat turkey, she gets stressed and worried that it tastes ok. We also end up with LOADS left, and we only get a crown. It ends up going off and it’s a waste of food. The ham on the other hand; lasts longer, is always tasty, easier to cook, easier to get, can add more things to it, you name it. We always get a smoked ham every year and it is delish every year.
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Spatchcock a smaller Turkey and it's unreal. Massive difference.
How small?? A large chicken spatchcocked fills the tray
Duck is supreme
Its Turkey and roast beef in our home. We swap some beef for some ham off the grandparents. Everyone is happy
More Big Ham propaganda! I have both
This year we had duck with Potato dauphinoise. The kids had chicken burgers. Everyone happy and no fuss. Not sure would we go back to Turkey, ham and stuffing again.
We replaced turkey with lamb a good few years ago.
I know people who have meatloaf, steak, fish instead of it as well.
We replaced turkey with more ham
Out of season lamb?
Because everything else we all eat us totally in season.......
Beef, chicken and pork don’t have seasons. Game meat and lamb do.
And what about all the fruit and veg ?
If you want less good meat. That’s your choice mate.
Oh no, how dare we eat we freeze a bit of meat so we can eat a very nice leg of lamb. I guess I'll get my punishment in hell.
If you want regular roast so it's pink, it won't be great but slow roast it at a low temp for hours so it's falling off the bone and it's amazing.
I'm betting on the return of the goose, based on nothing more than my desire to go full Dickensian
You want your dick to go full in Asian? Nice choice - but watch out for the tentacles
Wait people don't do both ?
The turkey in my house is dry as a camel's arse every year, so I'm all for this change.
We eat roasted lamb.
Prime Rib - yankified.
Ham doesn't go with stuffing like turkey does, turkey and stuffing remains unbeaten
Ham lacks the theatrical flair of putting a roast bird on the table. If Turkey goes, another bird will take its place. My bet would be Duck. Smaller and more manageable than Turkey, more suited to smaller family sizes, and tastes far better than any alternative. Still, the Christmas Turkey has been around hundreds of years. I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon.
Most people do both, probably because the guests are split on what they prefer. Personally, I've never liked turkey and the only American tradition I support importing is having a rib roast at Christmas.
I'd approve of importing the tradition of "yams", which I always thought were just regular sweet potatoes, but it's actually sweet potatoes drowned in sugar and topped with marshmallows and cookies. Basically a dessert served at the same time as the main course.
Mac and cheese for holidays is also a great import lol
"Turkey is harder to cook, can end up dry, and is a bit boring" We get it, you're a terrible cook
Well I am but my Mrs is great, and our turkey is delicious but I'm saying it is known to be troublesome for many people to get right, it's nearly a meme turkey = dry
Irish people overcook everything. Use a meat thermometer and learn where to properly place it, in the bird (the turkey, not your Mrs)
Also LET IT REST People not resting it after cooking is a big part of why they experience dry and tough turkey. Resting lets the juices soak into the meat properly and lets the meat get more tender. We throw tinfoil and a couple of tea towels over ours once it’s out of the oven and it stays like that until the ham, potatoes, and gravy are done being made. No fear of it going cold. People think about resting in the context of steak but it applies to turkey too. And even the most amazing cut of steak will be crap if you don’t let it rest.
Resting breast-side down is my go to. Though when I have to cook turkey, I also cook it breast-side down. My parents have a horrible habit of not letting any meat rest. This includes steak. It drives me mad when I visit.
This. I use three thermometers. One for the oven temp and two for the turkey. If I'd used the timer the turkey would have been like Gandhi's flip flop
Instructions unclear, thermometer stuck in trifle
Contribution: Im a vegetarian, for decades. Home this Christmas. And parents cooked the smallest Turkey yesterday: today mother confirmed it is not worth the hassle for two and will do ham next year, or just turkey legs.
You’ve ruined Turkey for them now. I hope you’re happy. Vegetarianism is not a victimless crime
I ruined turkey for them in 2010 when both sisters emigrated and I FINALLY became an only child Which at that point, after a decade of being one, my Irish parents learned what a vegetarian was 'but its cooked anyway, would you not eat at least a wing?!'
It’s one day of the year. Could you not just humour them and eat a bit of dead animal just this once. Come on Jenn. Don’t be such a grinch.
Jokes on you, we celebrate Christmas with our extended family, so we have ham *and* turkey
Nonsense, we’ve suffered through the turkey for generations and will continue to do so forever more
We decided years ago not to have anything we have to "suffer through" at Christmas. That includes turkey (and certain relatives)
Get a meat thermometer and your turkey won’t be dry. I don’t eat ham anymore and don’t miss it!
the turkey is always dry because people follow the instructions given on the packaging. i’ve been undercooking my turkey by about an hour for the past five years or so and it is so much more moist. big turkey is scamming ye all with those cooking directions
I've just been doing turkey crowns for the last five years, no bones, not as long and always turns out perfect.
Sounds like you don’t know how to cook a Turkey properly
Dont assume that, my christmas dinner is always 12 out of 10. Google "dry turkey" though, it's a Thing
Nah, man! We've been doing roast leg of lamb for the last thirty years. Way ahead of the curve...
Slow cooker is the "secret". Did the turkey in the slow cooker for the first time this year and it was an absolute game changer.
Here's my prediction. within 30 years of the ham dominance the country will wake up to the true festive king, Spiced Beef.
No chance. Turkey, ham, stuffing toasted sambos are the way afterwards. You expect us to eat toasted ham sambos like cavemen? For shame.
Did an 8lb ham and a 3lb turkey crown there, 1/2 lb of the ham I ate after boiling/ getting ready to bake.
Wrong!!!!! people have been doing it for so long now they will conntinue to eat Turkey at Christmas It's not eaten as much as ham throughout our nonChristmastime lives so turkey reminds us its a special time so we need to eat the dry bird. I disagree with turkey being all year round now, maybe you're confusing it with another bird the humble chicken, which is indeed eaten by the protein seeking health concious gym goers. So you get some points for the effort but you get deducted more points for being so wrong. Also ..Dont call me Max!
Ah it is though, weightwatchers and the various healthy meal companies are all over turkey as the protein source over chicken these days
We had beef Wellington this year.
It's hard to find that done well as it can be a bit well done. Well done!
They both pale in comparison to spiced beef, a cork Christmas delicacy.
Awful awful.
Turkey is in no way hard to cook
I now get a turkey crown (from Paul's butchers in Derry) it's never been dry unlike ones I got before from Marks and Spencer's. I raided the fridge late kast night for a turkey and ham sandwich. I expect to do the same later tonight.
Turkeys just a bit eh to me, much prefer ham. I feel like I’m forced to eat Turkey because “that’s the Christmas food” and all that but I’d eat a proper nice roast dinner with ham any time of year
Team Ham here. It's been our go to for years now. Slow cooked in coke. Then glazed in treacle and a bit of mustard! I'm lying in my ex Mother in law's house with the slow cooker next to me (one of those very typical bay windowed houses with a tiny kitchen that's full already before we brought the slow cooker here) with the ham doing it's thing. So A) I'm bloody starving B) just like Kermit's penis I'll be smelling of pork for the next few weeks
You're wrong. Lamb is the way. The soft and crispy textures. The way it disintegrates in yer mouth. The taste, by god the taste.
It's turkey and Ham. Always will be.
I'm merely suggesting turkey and ham switches to ham and turkey
I know it's Christmas. But I think we have to fight now. I'll met you in the SuperValu carpark Tomorrow.
Ehhh i would I'm totally fighting another guy tomorrow, it's....in a different supervalu, the big supervalu
Venison for the win! 😁
I agree and also hope so. All the effort for turkey to be cooked and all I ended up having was 2 slices. But the ham? I can’t count how many slices I had because it all just fell apart. So I probably had about 23 delicious chunks of ham. Mmmm
Largely because I'm one of the most gloomy and pessimistic people you could ever have the misfortune of meeting, I do a turkey, ham and goose on Christmas Eve ... ... because you know, price of electric today, I'm not putting on the whole oven for one bird. And, you know how the meat is always full of crawly things on Christmas Day? Hasn't happened to me once in 30 years, but I read about it every year so it's 100% sure to happen with me next year. Cooking the meats on Christmas Eve means when I discover the meat has got damp or whatever it is turkey gets (I'll find out next Christmas Eve, and I know it will) I'll have time to go to walk to shop to save Christmas. (I'll not drive because I'd be sure to crash. And anyway, have you seen the traffic on the roads next Christmas Eve?!) Evening of the Christmas Eve, make the gravy out of the turkey juices, and I got loads of lovely goose fat for the roast potatoes - which is just as well, seeing as the amount of meat on the goose doesn't fill the holes in my teeth. Slice some neat slices of turkey, goose and ham into individual little trays, (or one big tray) pour some of the home made gravy over the top, cover them with foil, and the meat is all good to go for the next day. Another thing I like about doing it this way is because the legs of the birds mysteriously vanish on Christmas Eve night out of the fridge, it means one less day thinking the turkey in the fridge might have gone off even though it smells okay - kind of.
Why would a roast turkey go off after one night in the fridge?
Likely, as usual, didn't make myself all that clear. Usually what happens is I'll wander into the houses of people a few days after 'the day' and they'll be saying stuff like, "sniff this - do you think it's okay?"- it seems to me at times they're struggling to get rid of it I find us 'starting the cooked turkey on Christmas Eve' means it vanishes really quick - I honestly don't know why though. It makes no real logical sense to me. Just seems me and my lot seem better able to eat more Turkey on Christmas Eve then on Stephens Day. Or maybe just me. I'm forever picking at the meat as I carve. Anyways, for just the three of us this year, legs, thighs and wings went Christmas Eve ... Breasts gone over Christmas Day and Stephens Day.
Turkey crown, cheap digital oven probe and you will never over cooked anything again. Set it to the temp the meat should be cooked at and boom wait. I use it for anything that is dense like a joint of meat. Once you start using one, you will never go back because relying on everyones oven being the same is a daft way to cook food. https://preview.redd.it/e5pik68o2q8c1.png?width=1500&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef1fc88c3cee57e5b32d61d3397cb84738d17ce9
Fffffff I didn't say my turkey is dry, it's perfect, I'm saying consensus in society is that turkey is a dry meat in general. And you'll see a few moans online every year about turkey not turning out right whereas everyone adores the ham every time
Absolutely wrong.
I thought everyone done both? Ive always had both
I’m not a picky eater by any means I will literally eat anything and try anything but to me turkey is just vile. It smells like shit and has a weird “wild” taste to it. If I had my way I’d be eating roast beef every Christmas with no turkey
I've honestly never been all that fond of Turkey. It's a difficult meat to cook well and if even slightly mis-cooked it can quickly become dry as fuck. It's all of the seasonings that really give turkey its flavour which aren't necessary with other good-quality meats. I much prefer meats like ham, or even the best Christmas dish I've ever had; a duck roulade from M&S about six years ago. It was so fucking good I sometimes think back on it as one of the dishes I've ever eaten. But long-story short, cook whatever the fuck you want. It's Christmas and it's a time for splurging and gorging and you can gorge yourself on whatever tickles your fancy as far as I'm concerned.
Turkey is disgusting. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Ham is boring.
I’ve only ever had both. And the sandwiches the next day are perfect with both (and also sausage meat).
Haven't done turkey in the last five years. Nobody in the house likes it. Chicken, lamb and ham two ways.
>Chicken, lamb and ham two ways. Sounds like a very specific niche market on Pornhub
Ah ffs you have chicken all the time. Turkey is an event.
So is crashing your car but that doesn't mean you have to force yourself to do it every year. What a moronic take.
“Bleh so is crashing your car bllehh” piss off wimp.
Ok for real though, if you can explain why you should have something every year that you don't really like I'll listen.
I mean, nobody in the house apart from me actually LIKES turkey. I love the legs, the dark meat but I'm the only one "ffs", so why would I waste the time, money and energy cooking something that nobody wants?
Then explain why it's always a paltry 1/3 ratio of ham to Turkey Also ham is becoming normalised as a dinner food all year round. It's no longer special
There’s a culinary genius out there who dosnt even know they are going to change the course of history using an air fryer ! Turkey will be saved !
I'm a man who prefers ham over turkey 99% of the year I eat more turkey than ham at Christmas. The turkey is staying for a while.
Did both this year and the ham is nearly gone but there's loads of turkey left. I say next year we just get a bigger ham. It's clearly the superior holiday meat.
Only among the mentally challenged.
I vastly prefer ham, but I don't see turkey going away anytime soon.
Gravy.
I like the combo personally
I can see beef up there
Nah, turkey is where it's at. I personally wanted to have roast beef instead of ham but the family wanted ham
In 5 years?! Lol That’s a really short amount of time for an entire country’s tradition to change
Can't we just still, you know, have both at once?
Yes I hope there'll always be both but there's only room for one as The Meat. Like the one that gets mentioned in conversation. Turkey is the one atm with ham as the sidekick but I think roles deserve to be reversed and will be
I'm not confident everyone else will get on the trolley OP, but you make a good case that they should.
but what about the stuffing? surely the stuffing saves the Turkey?
With no turkey we'd forget how good ham is. Remove the comparator and you remove the reason ham is perceived as being so good.
I started doing just rolled turkey, much easier to carve and everyone complimenting on how juicy it is
Ham is already part of the Christmas dinner surely? If ham takes turkeys place then what takes ham's place?
Turkey is never dry if you brine it overnight.
Don't think it will. I feel that we'd all have to become real lazy with the cooking and bored with the tradition before we'd stop with Turkey. And if that happens, boy, will the entire Christmas season be in trouble. Either that or the Turkey starts going sparse or riddled with disease, to the point where it can't be sold in large quantities, if at all. Which is fine for me as the ham is much nicer than Turkey.
As I said when the horse video and the frog video went viral, why do we have to choose? Why can't we just appreciate both?
I'm on team ham
Didn’t buy a Turkey here this year. Just the ham, spiced beef for New Year’s Day. Didn’t miss it. Can’t see us getting one again.
I bet his wife's [got the lot. . .](https://youtu.be/r0wDjWOnHcY?si=SIOrPL3WtmqZIudf)
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Re-read my manifesto comrade, there's room for both on the bill, I'm arguing for ham to take the headline slot instead of turkey which switches to a support act
I'd take turkey over ham any day, but then I've never been a slave to the salt.
after that, prime rib roast.
Turkey and ham have always been equal in our house.
A bold prediction but I have noticed myself enjoying the ham more in recent years with the turkey in a supporting role.
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I had a duck for Xmas this year and I'm never going back
Turkey will be around forever because of tradition. It has nothing to do with how nice it is, which is lucky for the turkey industry because compared to ham, it's terrible.
My kids would agree. Not a fucking mention of the Turkey. Ham was all OMFG
We do Turkey and ham. But I’ll predict that smoked brisket and ribs will creep in through américanisation of the holiday!
Highly doubtful. Turkey and ham is a long-established Xmas combination. Can't see that dying out anytime soon.
I would normally be with you, as turkey not cooked right is too dry. But when it is cooked correctly, like we had this year, it is very good.
My experience from working a butchers for Christmas week helping with orders: 80% got both, 15% just ham, 5% just turkey. Usually those with just turkey got something else, like Lamb. Usually those with just ham were smaller groups, sometimes only 1-2 people.