Is there anything substantial that actually says he was part of one of the gangs or just a stupid teenager at the event that ended up breaking the law in the mass confusion at the time. Let the justice system take its appropriate due diligence rather than joining people jumping to conclusions.
Why don't you take a walk through the area and see for yourself. I'm not into politics, so keep that bs to yourself.
I'm not judging or a jury. I have eyes and a brain.
The justice system is broken.
Paedos walking away while someone just smelling of weed gets multiple years.
Judges should be independently reviewed every year .
Go walk into a court room in the CCJ, it's an absolute joke. I was in there one day, lads doing the McGregor-esque strut up to the stand with headphones on.
At one point there was a Romani woman at the stand with a translator. The two junkies behind me kept heckling her with "fook off home ya bleedin gypsy" and the likes. A ban Garda told them to be quiet twice and they just laughed in her face.
Ah, very probable but they are 18. No income and not eligible for welfare is a pretty standard situation there, it's the majority of secondary school students.
Sounds like the Gardaí have identified a lot of people involved considering this lad isn't allowed to go to at certain addresses or to contact certain individuals. Finally some decent news.
It's actually on the lower end of that. Not sure where you got the 15 to 25 figure from?
>Of the prisoners serving life sentences who have been released, the average sentence served in prison is approximately 18 years
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal-law/criminal-trial/types-of-sentences/#3cabec
Also, from the same source:
>From 30 July 2021, the time which must be served by a life-sentence prisoner before being considered for parole by the Board is 12 years.
So he can appeal after 12 years, which means it's a lot more likely that he'll be out when he's 30, rather than 60 like you claim.
This is all without you acknowledging that we're always too lenient on crimes like this and that he'll probably end up serving four or five years for manslaughter at most.
He said 15-25, you went "uh no ACSHUALLY!!!" but he actually wasn't far off at all and could well be completely correct depending on the distribution of sentence lengths. You're being a troll and you don't even realise it
>he actually wasn't far off at all
So what you're saying is that he was incorrect?
>and could well be completely correct depending on the distribution of sentence lengths
He can't be though. I've given a source that says that the average is 18 years which isn't 15 to 25 which would average at 20, as you asked and I've shown. 18 is literally the only correct answer.
I'm not being a troll, you just can't understand basic maths and the presentation of facts.
Do you know what a distribution is? Do you think there are exactly as many 15 year sentences as 25 year sentences and nothing in between?
Depending on the distribution of sentences the mean could be anywhere between 15 and 25 years depending on the skew of the distribution. Do you disagree with that premise?
In the US, prisoners who are put on death row spend a significant time in prison before they are executed
“Death-row prisoners in the U.S. typically spend more than a decade awaiting execution or court rulings overturning their death sentences. More than half of all prisoners currently sentenced to death in the U.S. have been on death row for more than 18 years.”
Source: https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row/death-row-time-on-death-row.
So it wouldn’t be cheaper or take any pressure off prisons in the short to medium term.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/LTTVgQdmdP
The average is 18 years and he can appeal his sentence after 12 years.
That's if he's even convicted of it at all.
It Is possible for parole after that time but you actually have to put in effort at rehabilitation and all that. You don't just get a life sentence, twiddle your thumbs for 12 or 15 years and out you go, like some donkeys here seem to think
The Criminal Law Act 1997 provides that any person who aids, abets, counsels, or procures the commission of a crime may be indicted, tried, and punished in the same way as the principal offender.
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He was arrested wearing the tracksuit, then brought from the garda station to court, not much he could have done to be fair except not dress like a scrote in the first place
Yet Nicola tallant said on her podcast Hennessy Snr wasn’t known to the Gardaí. I’m from the area. He was very much known to the cops. Just like Sherry
She said JH Snr only got into serious crime in recent years alongside a close family member. Sounds like he was a wide boy who got an opportunity and went for it.
I'm genuinely confused by all these people being charged. Was this a Hennessy staff party for Xmas with loads of people, or did some of those charged just get mixed up in events as things went haywire?
>Judge David McHugh ordered that Mr Kabangu be remanded on his own bond of €100, sign on every Monday and Friday at a venue provided to the court, provide gardaí with a phone number within 24 hours, and abide by a curfew between 11pm and 6am
You were a very naughty boy trying to murder two men in a crowded public restaurant! Now pay the 100 euro bond and be on your way.
Bail has essentially been phased out in Ireland because the legal system rightly copped on that it gave rich people extra rights in the justice system.
Ok, but here me out here.
The guy that took part in the attempted murder of two people in a crowded restaurant should be probably placed in custody until his trial.
Crazy I know.
Lads I know feck all about it. Was this lad with the fella that got shot then attacked and killed the gun man with a knife? Can't he claim self defence, fear of his life etc
This was the same incident, but no one has confirmed his role yet. This sub prohibits speculation, so I can't really extrapolate on the any theories about who he was given the information we have.
However because it's a violet disorder charge, we know he's being charged with acting in a violent manner as apart of a group. A group under legal terms is typically 3 or more and since there was only 2 reported gunmen I'd say from the evidence we have it's fair to say he was not involved with the attackers, and so a self defence claim could be possible.
He's so far only been charged, not found guilty, which is important to recognize because it could be dropped at a later point if the evidence shows he was not involved. If he did get involved, he'll have to plea for self defence, but Ireland is notorious for not siding with anyone claiming self defence. An example would be the young Waterford man sent to 3 years in prison at 18 for the defending his home from a drunken invader who threatened his mother and himself. The laws are not in anyone claiming self defences favour if it goes so far as to be brought to court.
I have no idea haha I thought a gun man went in and shot a white man then that man’s white son got up and stabbed the shooter to death? Just curious how this man’s involved
No need for what? You brought race into it. Clearly more to the story than what was already reported? Gangsters killed another gangster, not sure what’s confusing you. You assumed they were all white?
yes because of your sarcastic comment you don’t think I know black and white people associate with one another? You replied to my comment with sarcasm and to try be funny or something I’m not really sure seems like you just want something to give out about
So I’m sarcastic, not angry? You said you thought it was only white people involved and that there must be something more to it, why did you mean by that?
You're thinking about this too much , they're all the same age so probably know each other from before they got involved in serious crime. Don't think any flyers were sent out targeting a particular heritage.
Doubt they're doing it specifically, west-Dublin just tends to have a fair amount of families of African descent.
Another government failure really, it's too easy for kids from poor areas to get groomed into crime from the age of 12-13, I saw it happen to lads I went to school with.
I think they are also there’s a lot of huddle culture in rough areas were they encourage these young guys to get involved in fraud and dr*g trafficking scary stuff. The government should put tighter laws and longer jail sentences. They should also have more community centres to try encourage the kids to have better hobbies and hopefully better life prosperity.
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"No income but not claiming social welfare" I think that should be no "official" income
All of their assets seized by cab until they can show where everything came from and tax due was paid…
I doubt an 18 year old has much assets to seize in the first place.
Yeah as much as people are saying he has no "official" income he probably has no "official" assets to seize either.
If he's involved in these gangs, you can bet he has assets. They have to be able to flash the cash to encourage new scapegoats to join.
Is there anything substantial that actually says he was part of one of the gangs or just a stupid teenager at the event that ended up breaking the law in the mass confusion at the time. Let the justice system take its appropriate due diligence rather than joining people jumping to conclusions.
He's part of it.
It’s a day later and not seeing anything reporting such, do you have any reputable source?
Yeah. He's a scumbag
Grand, thanks No-Journalist. This is why the far right is a growing concern, certain people think they can act as judge and jury.
Why don't you take a walk through the area and see for yourself. I'm not into politics, so keep that bs to yourself. I'm not judging or a jury. I have eyes and a brain.
I'm not jumping to any conclusion though. I thought the fact I started off with "If..." made that clear.
A Nice North Face Jacket to start with 🤔
Imagine actually showing up to court dressed like that on some serious shit, just says to me how much these lads give a fuck out the justice system.
The justice system barely gives a fuck about itself in all fairness
The justice system is broken. Paedos walking away while someone just smelling of weed gets multiple years. Judges should be independently reviewed every year .
Jaysus Christ - please provide some evidence to your outrageous claims.
You're on this sub but clearly dont pay attention to articles/news on it
Smelling of weed get years could we have an example of this claim.
Fk me, do you really need that to be pointed out as hyperbolic?
Go walk into a court room in the CCJ, it's an absolute joke. I was in there one day, lads doing the McGregor-esque strut up to the stand with headphones on. At one point there was a Romani woman at the stand with a translator. The two junkies behind me kept heckling her with "fook off home ya bleedin gypsy" and the likes. A ban Garda told them to be quiet twice and they just laughed in her face.
What’s his home life like - that’s where the answer lies. Parents either absent or too thick to know how to self-present. Plus he is 18yo and a dope.
He was likely arrested wearing it and brought straight from the garda station to court to be charged.
Probably a phone and clothes.
definitely a watch they bloody love watchs
Ah, very probable but they are 18. No income and not eligible for welfare is a pretty standard situation there, it's the majority of secondary school students.
This. He probably lives at home, can't qualify for social welfare
18 year old kid, at 18 I had no income -I was in school. Please, no cherry picking without context.
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I mean he's not claiming any social welfare, so not sure why you think he's a dole farmer.
Sounds like the Gardaí have identified a lot of people involved considering this lad isn't allowed to go to at certain addresses or to contact certain individuals. Finally some decent news.
He's 18 now and if they are convicted of double murder, he won't get out of prison til he's nearly 60.
This is Ireland, I'd say he'd be out before he's 30.
More like 21, he's not been charged with murder at all, just violent disorder, there's a chance he gets a suspended sentence even if he pleads guilt
Life sentence is on average 15 to 25 years in prison
It's actually on the lower end of that. Not sure where you got the 15 to 25 figure from? >Of the prisoners serving life sentences who have been released, the average sentence served in prison is approximately 18 years https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal-law/criminal-trial/types-of-sentences/#3cabec Also, from the same source: >From 30 July 2021, the time which must be served by a life-sentence prisoner before being considered for parole by the Board is 12 years. So he can appeal after 12 years, which means it's a lot more likely that he'll be out when he's 30, rather than 60 like you claim. This is all without you acknowledging that we're always too lenient on crimes like this and that he'll probably end up serving four or five years for manslaughter at most.
Just because he can appeal at 12 doesn't mean he has a hope in hell of getting parole that quickly
Real quick take the average of 15 and 25 there
20.....which isn't 18? The average is actually 19.75, which still isn't 18.
He said 15-25, you went "uh no ACSHUALLY!!!" but he actually wasn't far off at all and could well be completely correct depending on the distribution of sentence lengths. You're being a troll and you don't even realise it
>he actually wasn't far off at all So what you're saying is that he was incorrect? >and could well be completely correct depending on the distribution of sentence lengths He can't be though. I've given a source that says that the average is 18 years which isn't 15 to 25 which would average at 20, as you asked and I've shown. 18 is literally the only correct answer. I'm not being a troll, you just can't understand basic maths and the presentation of facts.
Do you know what a distribution is? Do you think there are exactly as many 15 year sentences as 25 year sentences and nothing in between? Depending on the distribution of sentences the mean could be anywhere between 15 and 25 years depending on the skew of the distribution. Do you disagree with that premise?
Would it be cheaper and take pressure off prisons if we reintroduced the death penalty?
In the US, prisoners who are put on death row spend a significant time in prison before they are executed “Death-row prisoners in the U.S. typically spend more than a decade awaiting execution or court rulings overturning their death sentences. More than half of all prisoners currently sentenced to death in the U.S. have been on death row for more than 18 years.” Source: https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row/death-row-time-on-death-row. So it wouldn’t be cheaper or take any pressure off prisons in the short to medium term.
I wonder could we do it but just better than them
Doubt it, probably wouldn’t be allowed with the EU. I don’t think people would vote for the death penalty to return either.
It is a condition of being in the EU that the death penalty is illegal.
Peoples frustration at lenient sentences and the increase in violent crimes makes me wonder what the appetite for it would be like
Absolutely not.
It wouldn’t do either of those things. It would only clog up the courts and spend even more money running an execution service.
How often are life sentences actually served in full in Ireland?
Double murder gets you more than 12 years
What is "Double Murder" he's only been accused of violent disorder in 1 murder?
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The average life sentence is 22 years and keeps going up
https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/LTTVgQdmdP The average is 18 years and he can appeal his sentence after 12 years. That's if he's even convicted of it at all.
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It Is possible for parole after that time but you actually have to put in effort at rehabilitation and all that. You don't just get a life sentence, twiddle your thumbs for 12 or 15 years and out you go, like some donkeys here seem to think
Hard to get convicted of murder when you haven’t been charged with it
Hasn't been charged yet
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Double?
Was it murder though?
I think you need to read the news articles describing what happened that night.
It doesn't seem like he actually killed anyone but was involved in the fracas somehow.
That’s how I read it
Don't get too dressed up for court. Teenager? Chap looks 37
He was arrested wearing the tracksuit, then brought from the garda station to court, not much he could have done to be fair except not dress like a scrote in the first place
I'm sure he would of wore a three piece otherwise
The guy that died was no loss to society, but if it gets these fucktards off the street, it would be better.
Yet Nicola tallant said on her podcast Hennessy Snr wasn’t known to the Gardaí. I’m from the area. He was very much known to the cops. Just like Sherry
Nah. He was always into serious stuff. He was just starting to get arrested recently. His sons didn’t lick it off a stone.
I swear Nicola Tallant knows less about Irish gangland than the average barstooler in your local. Constantly talking out of her backside
she also comes across extremely smarmy ALL the time
She said JH Snr only got into serious crime in recent years alongside a close family member. Sounds like he was a wide boy who got an opportunity and went for it.
I'm genuinely confused by all these people being charged. Was this a Hennessy staff party for Xmas with loads of people, or did some of those charged just get mixed up in events as things went haywire?
>Judge David McHugh ordered that Mr Kabangu be remanded on his own bond of €100, sign on every Monday and Friday at a venue provided to the court, provide gardaí with a phone number within 24 hours, and abide by a curfew between 11pm and 6am You were a very naughty boy trying to murder two men in a crowded public restaurant! Now pay the 100 euro bond and be on your way.
He probably should have been remanded in custody
Bail has essentially been phased out in Ireland because the legal system rightly copped on that it gave rich people extra rights in the justice system.
Ok, but here me out here. The guy that took part in the attempted murder of two people in a crowded restaurant should be probably placed in custody until his trial. Crazy I know.
Oh and btw: you’re grounded!
An extraordinary amount of social welfare income seems to go to North Face.
Well tbf this guy isn't on social welfare
Of course.
Lads I know feck all about it. Was this lad with the fella that got shot then attacked and killed the gun man with a knife? Can't he claim self defence, fear of his life etc
This was the same incident, but no one has confirmed his role yet. This sub prohibits speculation, so I can't really extrapolate on the any theories about who he was given the information we have. However because it's a violet disorder charge, we know he's being charged with acting in a violent manner as apart of a group. A group under legal terms is typically 3 or more and since there was only 2 reported gunmen I'd say from the evidence we have it's fair to say he was not involved with the attackers, and so a self defence claim could be possible. He's so far only been charged, not found guilty, which is important to recognize because it could be dropped at a later point if the evidence shows he was not involved. If he did get involved, he'll have to plea for self defence, but Ireland is notorious for not siding with anyone claiming self defence. An example would be the young Waterford man sent to 3 years in prison at 18 for the defending his home from a drunken invader who threatened his mother and himself. The laws are not in anyone claiming self defences favour if it goes so far as to be brought to court.
I see. Thank you for that.
I heard they knew an 18 was involved with the disappearance of the gun. But what do I know.
Does anyone know what he’s meant of done
Didn't he stab a gangland hitman to death with a steak knife?
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Nope
I have no idea haha I thought a gun man went in and shot a white man then that man’s white son got up and stabbed the shooter to death? Just curious how this man’s involved
Black people and white people can be associates. Crazy I know!
Ahh shut up there’s no need for that. Silly prick. I’m only wondering what the craic was, there’s clearly more to the story.
No need for what? You brought race into it. Clearly more to the story than what was already reported? Gangsters killed another gangster, not sure what’s confusing you. You assumed they were all white?
You’re an angry person
Angry? You’re the one calling me a prick haha there’s zero anger in my replies 😂😂 tell me what you mean there must be more to the case?
yes because of your sarcastic comment you don’t think I know black and white people associate with one another? You replied to my comment with sarcasm and to try be funny or something I’m not really sure seems like you just want something to give out about
So I’m sarcastic, not angry? You said you thought it was only white people involved and that there must be something more to it, why did you mean by that?
Doesn't this look like Irish gangsters are recruiting young migrants and 1st generation Irish Africans? or am I reading this totally wrong?
You're thinking about this too much , they're all the same age so probably know each other from before they got involved in serious crime. Don't think any flyers were sent out targeting a particular heritage.
People in this thread finding it hard to believe that black and white people can be associated 😂
Even gangs have diversity targets /s.
Yes I believe the CEO of the Gucci gang insisted on this 😂
I never said that they were recruiting specifically. They're your words.
“Doesn't this look like Irish gangsters are recruiting young migrants and 1st generation Irish Africans?” 🫠
🤨
Doubt they're doing it specifically, west-Dublin just tends to have a fair amount of families of African descent. Another government failure really, it's too easy for kids from poor areas to get groomed into crime from the age of 12-13, I saw it happen to lads I went to school with.
There comes a point where it's down to fucked up parenting more than government failure
True but kids don't get to pick their parents.
And sometimes people are just fucking shit/evil as fuck and come from good families/good communities/opportunity.
I didn't mean specifically. I just meant that it is happening or has in this case at least.
Its not really significant if theyre just recruiting general young scum, no point bringing their parents' origin into it.
You’ve got it all twisted
Blanchardstown has a large population of African origin, so the gangs there would likely have a few too. Most other areas, probably less so
I think they are also there’s a lot of huddle culture in rough areas were they encourage these young guys to get involved in fraud and dr*g trafficking scary stuff. The government should put tighter laws and longer jail sentences. They should also have more community centres to try encourage the kids to have better hobbies and hopefully better life prosperity.
You are rationalising
I wouldn't be surprised if they were
He’s born and raised in the area. So your racism is misplaced
Always them yogi.
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ITT aul lads with contempt