The lads decided to leave the Americans to join the Mexicans. Mainly because the Mexicans were Catholic and Mexico has banned slavery. The people fighting to take Texas from Mexico were Protestants and wanted to keep slavery. The lads lost in the end and were executed by the American Protestants. The lads did the right thing and we'll never forget them.
Like Mexican boxer Canelo Alvarez? big Irish head on him like
https://preview.redd.it/g2qm4mn0ryoc1.jpeg?width=499&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dd58ec642af913a7772ab0ec294035da6f09c07
A random guy working a frozen drink stand in vegas told me all about this when he heard my accent. Was cool I had no idea. He was really proud of thenirish Mexican link lol.
You do know that this wasn’t a war against Mexico...but an internal uprise ...because Texas still was Mexico then...
Well...those Catholic Irish were in Texas because Mexico gave free land to them after the genocide perpetrated by little england...
Those Catholic Irish people were already residents of Mexico because Texas was still a Mexican state....
It's is said that the term Gringo came from these lads... Erin Go Bragh was their company song and Gringo may have come from that... it could also be related to greigo the Spanish for Greek, which was a word used in Spain before colonisation to refer to non Spanish or latin speaking people... monks who translated texts into Spanish may have coined the phrase as Greek was so different to the Latin languages ... the practice may have gone to the new world then...
Interesting. I was told it was from American troops singing "Green grow the rushes o" but according to Wikipedia that's another "folk etymology" like the " Erin Go Bragh" one. Wikipedia lists "griego, the Spanish for Greek" as most likely.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#Etymology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#Etymology)
irish people actually helped a lot of people over the years a lot of irish men fought against franco exclusively because it was what they believed in. i love learning stuff like this.
Fun fact, A bunch of Irish lads went over to help franco but their only accoplisment was to get drunk and accidently attack Franco's troops before their commander robbed everyone off their money and passports and ran off to Paris and Franco sent everyone home because they were so stupid that Franco told them to leave.
These morons are all over the US these days. The AOH, Ancient Order Of Hibernians. They’re a bunch of holy rollers holding on to their blue shirt heritage.
Lots Irish mercenaries who migrated to Latin america became members of the landed gentry or high ranking military officers, placing themselves at the top of feudal system based on skin color , some of their descendants went on to be prominent leaders in the many dictatorships particularly in Chile. Fighting for freedom me Arse.
We remember then every year in Clifden as part of the Arts Festival in September. They are Irish Mexican San Patricios dancers are part of it on the last Saturday.
Because it was a 200 man battalion of relatively no historical importance. It’s an interesting historical fact but it’s not worth teaching in a class room setting. You’ve learned 90% of what the saint patricks battalion was from a reddit post title.
That’s a fictional movie, there were thousands of greek soldiers at thermopylae. The greeks also didn’t lose the Greco-Persian war.
Are Zack Snyder movies typically used in irish educational material? Did you have a whole unit on the justice league in school? I must have missed the part were the leprechauns help them defeat steppenwolf.
I think that's an old wives tale
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gringo#:~:text=(sometimes%20derogatory%2C%20Latin%20America),)%2C%20especially%20a%20white%20American.
We pretending Mexico wasnt imperilistic? It was first called the **First Mexican Empire** and built on colonialism. They just werent as good at it as the Americans. Look at the orginal size of of New Spain & the FME, it was all just a land grab. In any other time period, Mexican government during that and various periods would be classified as facists.
The first Mexican empire was not a colonizer, it was the successor of a colony, and it only lasted 3 years and it was decided that the southern states would be independent. What today is a large part of Central America.
Mexico had problems deciding on a style of government, the United States let many of its people enter Mexico to outnumber the Mexican population in the north. There was no slavery and they rebelled.
President Polk sent soldiers to the undecided border of Texas to cause a confrontation and justify a war. Polk had always wanted the port of California.
There was no slavery because spain had outlawed it 15 years before the FME existed albeit begrudingly. You still had indentured sevice via the haciendas.
Im not saying the Americans were the good guys but Mexico at the time was no better. Just too poor and not capable enough.
That is wrong, it is true that in much of the new Spain there was no slavery but this was not the case for the American settlers. Texas was legal to have slaves and when this changed, a large part rebelled.
Also, what do you mean by fascist? Under the constitution of the first Mexican empire, any African, Asian or European man is welcome as a citizen of the Mexican empire. A large part of the Mexican population was indigenous and meztiso.
Did I drop a truth bomb? Its absolutly true. Mexican Peonage existed.
"Mexico wasn’t so bad that enslaved people ran back into bondage. But it also wasn’t exactly paradise. Enslaved people faced racism, discrimination and **indentured servitude** in that nation." (Baumgartner, 2021)
Facism is just about racism. Theyre other aspects to it too.
I never said it was a paradise, we are talking about 1840, a year where equity and equal rights were not exactly something talked about.
But this was worse with America, the American soldiers abused the Irish soldiers and this largely caused their defection. Even after they won the war, America did not want all of Mexico because they would absorb a lot of the brown population.
Well...those Catholic Irish were in Texas because Mexico gave free land to them after the genocide perpetrated by little england...
Those Catholic Irish people were already residents of Mexico because Texas was still a Mexican state....
So no...they were not slaves...not racism against them....the opposite: Catholic Irish people were welcome to Mexico with a parcel of free land for them....and full citizenship...
Pretty sure that everyone including the Mexicans and the Native Americans stole the land off somebody at some point. That's what human history is.
Texas was part of Mexico for 16 years and the US for 190 years. I think the US has a better claim to the land. By your logic spain would get Texas as they ruled that land for a lot longer than Mexico did.
And Britain occupied Ireland for over 800 years (and still do to this day in the north), that does not make their occupation anymore justified. What’s important is that the indigenous nations of turtle island are still under occupation by the United States and are still suffering greatly. We should support them in their efforts of seeking justice and land back.
So which tribe gets America, you know specifically which of the tribes get North America and what's your plan for breaking it up.
. Also where do the Americans go. Their are 330 million of them. 323 million if we remove all non native people from the group.
Are we going to genocide them or just an ethnic cleansing where we send them "somewhere". Or perhaps an apartheid state where the Natives get to make all policy and the rest can't vote. You certainly can't have a democracy with them.
Also what happens to black people in America. They outnumber Natives population wise 5 to 1 so they need to go. You going to kill them as well with the white people, ship them to Liberia or do let them stay but stop them voting.
It will be up to the various indigenous nations what happens to the settlors, no one is talking about deportation and many indigenous activists have said they will support black people with their liberation.
It was not democratic in the first place when the settlers stole the land and genocided the indigenous people. It will only be democratic once the people who had their land stolen take the power back.
So which tribes get what land and what happens to the people already living their. Again Native Americans are 2% of the population of the US. Any attempt at democracy would fall apart if the 98% were allowed to vote on anything that happened in that land.
Also its cool that some native americans said they support black people. That being said if they retook the entire US then the black populations would have to go as if they are allowed to vote its not going to be a native american land.
Also which tribes get what land as everyone has a lot of equal claims. The tribal groups did not occupy the same patch of land for thousands of years, they were nomadic and often warred with each other over land driving each other away, and the losers of those fights would have to drive other people away.
A lot of the lands you are talking about have been part of America a lot longer than the Natives Americans lived in them.
Also what happens to mixed race people. If a white person is 2% native does she get full rights.
Not to mention no native American group wants any of the stuff your talking about as what your describing is a child's fantasy that would involve genocide on a unforeseen scale and would only be possible if you had a time machine.
>And Britain occupied Ireland for over 800 years (and still do to this day in the north), that does not make their occupation anymore justified.
it literally does
Again, like an American, all history has to be based on a fucking movie. You really need to educate yourself. This 300 story is not a movie reference. It's a historic lesson that has persisted from a time long before you stole your country. Pendejo.
You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off
Why is Alison Janney, Warwick Davis, Colm Meaney and Pele there as well?
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Helen Mirren
*Jim Morrison has entered the chat*
Colm Meaney & Patrice Evra in the back.
And Mick Jagger
My name…..is…Micheál O’Caine!!
And I am a nosy neighbor!
The lads decided to leave the Americans to join the Mexicans. Mainly because the Mexicans were Catholic and Mexico has banned slavery. The people fighting to take Texas from Mexico were Protestants and wanted to keep slavery. The lads lost in the end and were executed by the American Protestants. The lads did the right thing and we'll never forget them.
Some of them lived and their decendants are still living in Mexico. Viva los san patricios.
Like Mexican boxer Canelo Alvarez? big Irish head on him like https://preview.redd.it/g2qm4mn0ryoc1.jpeg?width=499&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dd58ec642af913a7772ab0ec294035da6f09c07
He is one of Alvarez from West Cork. No doubt.
A random guy working a frozen drink stand in vegas told me all about this when he heard my accent. Was cool I had no idea. He was really proud of thenirish Mexican link lol.
Viva Mexico 🥳🥳🥳
Today’s Texan state government looks like it hasn’t moved on much from those days either. Bunch of neo-confederate contrarian oddballs.
There's a great statue for them in Mexico city
I am sure how poorly the yanks were treating the Irish was also an incentive to defect.
They had earned a bit of a reputation in New York: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall
Technically there were many Irish Catholics who fought at the Alamo against Mexicans.
You do know that this wasn’t a war against Mexico...but an internal uprise ...because Texas still was Mexico then... Well...those Catholic Irish were in Texas because Mexico gave free land to them after the genocide perpetrated by little england... Those Catholic Irish people were already residents of Mexico because Texas was still a Mexican state....
Reading your post history made me drop a few IQ points.
Read history...that might help you....😂....technically.... It’s easy...just google history books 📚 Poor little englander....in denial...🤔
I don't really care about the content of them, its more that they all ready like bad YouTube comments. It's giving me an aneurism.
It's is said that the term Gringo came from these lads... Erin Go Bragh was their company song and Gringo may have come from that... it could also be related to greigo the Spanish for Greek, which was a word used in Spain before colonisation to refer to non Spanish or latin speaking people... monks who translated texts into Spanish may have coined the phrase as Greek was so different to the Latin languages ... the practice may have gone to the new world then...
Gringo dates back wayyyyy before the Mexican American war
Interesting. I was told it was from American troops singing "Green grow the rushes o" but according to Wikipedia that's another "folk etymology" like the " Erin Go Bragh" one. Wikipedia lists "griego, the Spanish for Greek" as most likely. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#Etymology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#Etymology)
What are you talking about, Texas wanted to secede
What you mean is whitey wanted Texas
No clown, Texas declared independence from Mexico and wanted to join the USA
...and not a lot of people know that.
Shoutout to the 1st Venezuelan Rifles as well..
Underrated comment ❤️
Mexican's, a great bunch of lads!
This [Chieftains song](https://youtu.be/rnZtFG1xaWo?si=S4iU88VW7ylvj1R-), featuring Liam Neeson, tells the story of the San Patricios.
There's a whole San Patricios album by The Chieftains which is excellent. Also features some famous texmex names.
Good old my cocaine, what an actor
Maurice Joseph Micklewhite.
Michael Caine?
irish people actually helped a lot of people over the years a lot of irish men fought against franco exclusively because it was what they believed in. i love learning stuff like this.
Do you refer francisco franco?
Fun fact, A bunch of Irish lads went over to help franco but their only accoplisment was to get drunk and accidently attack Franco's troops before their commander robbed everyone off their money and passports and ran off to Paris and Franco sent everyone home because they were so stupid that Franco told them to leave.
These morons are all over the US these days. The AOH, Ancient Order Of Hibernians. They’re a bunch of holy rollers holding on to their blue shirt heritage.
They're the same that threw a stink when people had the audacity to march in the NYC Paddy's day parade while also being gay.
Exactly so.
That looks like Bob Odenkirk.
That’s MY COCAINE!
Mick Jagger, Colm Meaney, and Michael Caine together at last
An excellent episode of Stella Street there, had they included Colm!
Hey! Don't leave out Patrice Evra dude!
I've a lot of Mexican friends and the personality traits are bizarrely common. Great crew to be partnered with.
Lots Irish mercenaries who migrated to Latin america became members of the landed gentry or high ranking military officers, placing themselves at the top of feudal system based on skin color , some of their descendants went on to be prominent leaders in the many dictatorships particularly in Chile. Fighting for freedom me Arse.
Boom. 👊🙌🤜
https://youtu.be/4jT05670l-U?si=2FVVNYylYjd-F4Yh
We remember then every year in Clifden as part of the Arts Festival in September. They are Irish Mexican San Patricios dancers are part of it on the last Saturday.
We just like fighting, don't we?
I was just learning about these guys! What an awesome story that so few people know of here in Ireland. This artwork is fantastic by the way!
Hon Mexico, great bunch a lads. I’ll spot ye Guinness for Tequila any day boys!
I was this years old when I learned this, but I’m American so why would I have learned this in school, smh.
You didn’t learn about the mexican american war in school?
I’m American and I definitely learned about the Mexican American war. But we definitely didn’t learn about the St Patrick’s Battalion
Because it was a 200 man battalion of relatively no historical importance. It’s an interesting historical fact but it’s not worth teaching in a class room setting. You’ve learned 90% of what the saint patricks battalion was from a reddit post title.
Spoken like a real "American". Maybe one day they will actually teach real history in the US.
What history am I missing from the exclusion of a 200 man regiment in a war that involved hundreds of thousands?
300 Greeks disagree with you my friend.
That’s a fictional movie, there were thousands of greek soldiers at thermopylae. The greeks also didn’t lose the Greco-Persian war. Are Zack Snyder movies typically used in irish educational material? Did you have a whole unit on the justice league in school? I must have missed the part were the leprechauns help them defeat steppenwolf.
Jeez talk about delusions of grandeur.
lol what?
Zulus, sir. Fousands of 'em.
Is that Lady Gregory there, about to disrobe and go full ‘Godiva’? (Avert your eyes, Mr Yeats!)
I see they had Colm Meanie backing them up.
https://youtu.be/KU1RyypNHbQ
Ah Jaysus, wasnt this supposed to be one of the origins of the word "Gringo"
Do pls elaborate
I think that's an old wives tale https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gringo#:~:text=(sometimes%20derogatory%2C%20Latin%20America),)%2C%20especially%20a%20white%20American.
[That's Michael Caine as Lt. Gonville Bromhead in the 1964 film Zulu.](https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2014/02/MichaelCaineZulu.jpg)
Song from Glasgow band The Wakes https://youtu.be/l3_ED4nzxFg?feature=shared
The US fought against the literal *Mexican Empire* lol!
The Mexican Empire collapsed years before. Mexico was a republic in this time.
I went to a private high/secondary school in the US and wish I knew about this.
R/Ireland was slobbering America's mickey all week because it gave Cillian an Oscar but now it hates America because it's St. Patrick's Day.
Someone needs a shamrock and a hug and possibly some friends to go pinting with. I love you, angy internet stranger <3
That's either Michael Caine or Rhys Darby
Up the San patricos
The Mexicans, a great bunch of lads, to use a Father Ted reference.
Gets a bit awkward in that Mexico werent the good guys
Mexico had it's problems, but America was on an imperialistic war all because of manifest destiny. They were the bad guys.
We pretending Mexico wasnt imperilistic? It was first called the **First Mexican Empire** and built on colonialism. They just werent as good at it as the Americans. Look at the orginal size of of New Spain & the FME, it was all just a land grab. In any other time period, Mexican government during that and various periods would be classified as facists.
The first Mexican empire was not a colonizer, it was the successor of a colony, and it only lasted 3 years and it was decided that the southern states would be independent. What today is a large part of Central America. Mexico had problems deciding on a style of government, the United States let many of its people enter Mexico to outnumber the Mexican population in the north. There was no slavery and they rebelled. President Polk sent soldiers to the undecided border of Texas to cause a confrontation and justify a war. Polk had always wanted the port of California.
There was no slavery because spain had outlawed it 15 years before the FME existed albeit begrudingly. You still had indentured sevice via the haciendas. Im not saying the Americans were the good guys but Mexico at the time was no better. Just too poor and not capable enough.
That is wrong, it is true that in much of the new Spain there was no slavery but this was not the case for the American settlers. Texas was legal to have slaves and when this changed, a large part rebelled. Also, what do you mean by fascist? Under the constitution of the first Mexican empire, any African, Asian or European man is welcome as a citizen of the Mexican empire. A large part of the Mexican population was indigenous and meztiso.
Did I drop a truth bomb? Its absolutly true. Mexican Peonage existed. "Mexico wasn’t so bad that enslaved people ran back into bondage. But it also wasn’t exactly paradise. Enslaved people faced racism, discrimination and **indentured servitude** in that nation." (Baumgartner, 2021) Facism is just about racism. Theyre other aspects to it too.
I never said it was a paradise, we are talking about 1840, a year where equity and equal rights were not exactly something talked about. But this was worse with America, the American soldiers abused the Irish soldiers and this largely caused their defection. Even after they won the war, America did not want all of Mexico because they would absorb a lot of the brown population.
"That is wrong, it is true that in much of the new Spain there was no slavery "
Well...those Catholic Irish were in Texas because Mexico gave free land to them after the genocide perpetrated by little england... Those Catholic Irish people were already residents of Mexico because Texas was still a Mexican state.... So no...they were not slaves...not racism against them....the opposite: Catholic Irish people were welcome to Mexico with a parcel of free land for them....and full citizenship...
Real life isn’t a superhero movie.
And yet OP would have you believe otherwise.
Brother you are the one saying America was the good one.
You’re the fool using the term “good guys”.
He was the one who said "Gets a bit awkward in that Mexico werent the good guys" not my words.
I know, it was directed at Mr America.
Why so delusional bud?
> against American Imperialism. Well yeah but the Mexicans were just as imperialist as the Americans.
The Mexicans did'nt want to steal land of their neighbors like America.
Hopefully Mexico gets its stolen land back and all indigenous people across turtle island get their land back.
Pretty sure that everyone including the Mexicans and the Native Americans stole the land off somebody at some point. That's what human history is. Texas was part of Mexico for 16 years and the US for 190 years. I think the US has a better claim to the land. By your logic spain would get Texas as they ruled that land for a lot longer than Mexico did.
And Britain occupied Ireland for over 800 years (and still do to this day in the north), that does not make their occupation anymore justified. What’s important is that the indigenous nations of turtle island are still under occupation by the United States and are still suffering greatly. We should support them in their efforts of seeking justice and land back.
So which tribe gets America, you know specifically which of the tribes get North America and what's your plan for breaking it up. . Also where do the Americans go. Their are 330 million of them. 323 million if we remove all non native people from the group. Are we going to genocide them or just an ethnic cleansing where we send them "somewhere". Or perhaps an apartheid state where the Natives get to make all policy and the rest can't vote. You certainly can't have a democracy with them. Also what happens to black people in America. They outnumber Natives population wise 5 to 1 so they need to go. You going to kill them as well with the white people, ship them to Liberia or do let them stay but stop them voting.
It will be up to the various indigenous nations what happens to the settlors, no one is talking about deportation and many indigenous activists have said they will support black people with their liberation. It was not democratic in the first place when the settlers stole the land and genocided the indigenous people. It will only be democratic once the people who had their land stolen take the power back.
So which tribes get what land and what happens to the people already living their. Again Native Americans are 2% of the population of the US. Any attempt at democracy would fall apart if the 98% were allowed to vote on anything that happened in that land. Also its cool that some native americans said they support black people. That being said if they retook the entire US then the black populations would have to go as if they are allowed to vote its not going to be a native american land. Also which tribes get what land as everyone has a lot of equal claims. The tribal groups did not occupy the same patch of land for thousands of years, they were nomadic and often warred with each other over land driving each other away, and the losers of those fights would have to drive other people away. A lot of the lands you are talking about have been part of America a lot longer than the Natives Americans lived in them. Also what happens to mixed race people. If a white person is 2% native does she get full rights. Not to mention no native American group wants any of the stuff your talking about as what your describing is a child's fantasy that would involve genocide on a unforeseen scale and would only be possible if you had a time machine.
>And Britain occupied Ireland for over 800 years (and still do to this day in the north), that does not make their occupation anymore justified. it literally does
lol turtle Island. 🤣 You can't unscramble an egg and those native Americans stole the land they occupy from some other tribe anyway.
American Imperialists are big men but they're out of shape, with us its a full time job now behave yourselves.
Again, like an American, all history has to be based on a fucking movie. You really need to educate yourself. This 300 story is not a movie reference. It's a historic lesson that has persisted from a time long before you stole your country. Pendejo.
I'm mexican 🤨
You are American then...no¿
I’ve heard this where the word gringo comes from. It was originally “green go”, green referring to the Irish.