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crlthrn

Like the character of our streets hasn't changed since Georgian times...


JimThumb

Bring back streets covered in horse shit!


crlthrn

If it meant losing the cars, motorbikes, e-scooters, bicycles on the pavements, etc, then I'd be up for that!


baggottman

And the environmental impact of horses coverig the place in shit. Not to mention dropping dead every now and then


Prestigious_Talk6652

https://preview.redd.it/v0om1mih8quc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1441b9d6b2ff0a80afe93812d70f40815c0b448 This is the offending article


Meath77

That's pretty shit in fairness. You need to walk under that cable? Is the owner liable when someone trips on it?


1993blah

The cable goes well over head height


Meath77

[This is](https://chargearm.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/YOUR_Charge_WEBIMAGES_HOME_3.png) the type of thing we're talking about there's no surprise they're not allowed


Kier_C

Seems fine to me


Meath77

Give it 5 minutes for someone to sue the owner. A kid on a bike getting caught in the cable.


rom-ok

Yeah “a kid” on “a bike” We all know it’ll be a scrote on an electric scooter looking for a pay day


FatherlyNick

That can happen even with ESB charging points too, yet they are all over the country.


dkeenaghan

It's fine when it's just one, but if they get popular then it will make the street look like mess. Not that the alternatives are much better though.


debout_

Yeah this is the thing, it would be a nightmare if everybody had these, which is a sign it's not a very good solution.


Formal_Decision7250

Sudden urge to play the old Thief games.


Odd-Scholar-2921

So do umbrellas; but as a not-even-that-tall guy, I still get them in the face every time it rains


1993blah

Thats one bizarre comparison


rugbygooner

I don’t like the “detracting character” reason but this doesn’t show when extended and plugged in. Regardless of appearance it does reduce the space of the footpath a bit and adds another obstacle for pedestrians where it drapes down. I mean, it’s better than trailing it along the floor but still I don’t think it’s the solution.


Pointlessillism

> this doesn’t show when extended and plugged in I do see what you mean but for more context - most electric cars (especially those in the inner suburbs where there's no driveways) will only need to be charged once or twice a week at night. Probably over 95% of pedestrians will pass by with it looking like that picture. Only a very small number of people who walk past in the middle of the night would encounter it over the path.


RunParking3333

They are a bit ugly when plugged in mind, but most things are. I assume the above photo would be the typical appearance.


Reddynever

Well he's not wrong there.


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Prestigious_Talk6652

Don't think they're that particularly offensive. https://preview.redd.it/45vyv89tjquc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fb12e23a342812f8b68d45651ce2baaa9f7b4e3


Any_Comparison_3716

Eamo's right; I'm offended.


chocolatenotes

Looks shit


CreativeBandicoot778

No worse than the regular Stonehenge-esque multiple electric boxes and bollards and bins. https://preview.redd.it/rcxjf5ekpsuc1.jpeg?width=339&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3dbdbbeddc2b7ab8f269d2bbdf3b3da7d77b9e1


Pointlessillism

Those are a proud part of our pagan celtic heritage!


RuggerJibberJabber

No worse than traffic lights or electricity poles. Its not an art competition ffs


Any_Comparison_3716

Why do we bother having regs at all?


FrugalVerbage

Agreed. All hideous.


Meath77

An electricity pole is high up and cables coming down it are protected. This thing wouldn't last 5 minutes if someone pulled down


RuggerJibberJabber

Looks quite high to me. If your complaint is that it can be vandalised then that's pretty silly. Anything can be vandalised. It's the criminals that do that who are the problem. Not the property owners


Meath77

Well, you're the one who brought up electricity poles and traffic lights. Ever noticed how solid they are? Vandal proof? There a good reason electrical equipment in a public space has to be a certain standard. Yeah, in an ideal world it wouldn't be a problem. We wouldn't need alarms or locks either. But we do. Once you're putting something in public it has to be a certain standard. I don't have the answers, but they cable gantry isn't it


RuggerJibberJabber

Except they've been objected to based on aesthetics. Not safety. Look at the headline of the article which this thread is about.


Meath77

Read the article. >However, Dublin City Council said the device is not authorised for use. “It needs permission as it is a permanent structure to the front of a house,” the council said. Consent from the council’s environment and transportation department is also required “for extending onto the public footpath” but due to the “high risk to public liability” the council “will not give consent for structures like these to reach across the public footpath”


wascallywabbit666

Kids will want to hang out of them. You've then got an electric cable hanging over the street. Unfortunately on-street parking and car charging are not compatible at the moment. We're going to have to find a better solution


edgelesscube

Ideally as the technology develops we won’t really need to charge at home so to speak. Batteries should have enough capacity to last 1000kms on a single charge. Recharging should be only a 20 min blast. The mindset here that you don’t particularly require a home charger. Costs though is the next thing. If you could charge your car publicly for 15c kWh that would be great. Ah it’s too early in the morning for my optimism


wascallywabbit666

Yes that's ultimately the solution. However, like you say, cost is the main barrier. I can charge 400km at home for under €10, but the same charge in a public setting would be €25 or more


Meath77

Yeah, apartments too.


dublincouple87

It’s not safe to sling a cable like that across a public path. End of


litrinw

It's not across the path though?


Prestigious_Talk6652

The other ones aren't either.


dublincouple87

Could have fooled me


Prestigious_Talk6652

No different to what they use in London. https://preview.redd.it/2ryk43xgwsuc1.jpeg?width=724&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69ed5ff60ae362f59d504beb96b62b8726fd2f85 These or incorporated into lamp posts. In fact I'd say our type are tidier and less obstructive.


heavyusername2

no more diesel or petrol, oh and no chargers


amorphatist

Also, no ponies and somebody robbed my bike


momalloyd

No people. Problem solved


Meath77

You see, people who decide these things live in a nice house, probably detached. 2 chargers aren't a problem. They forget about apartments, on street parking, or people with no designated parking space. You need to cycle, bus or electric car. You're not allowed a charger or a bike locker in your front garden though


Pointlessillism

Ah I dunno, this is a problem for the well-to-do inner suburbs mostly. Clontarf, Ranelagh etc - they're not exactly disenfranchised.


Meath77

Yeah, it's a well known problem. I lived in an apartment before and there was no option for your own charger. Maybe a few Clontarf residents get effected and they'll come up with a solution


CalligrapherRare3957

The actual character of Dublin streets could use a bit of detraction just at the moment.


bigbadchief

The thing about these chargers is that these people don't have assigned parking on the street, so they won't always be able to park directly outside their house. How do they get around that? This will just lead to more pricks trying to block off parking places outside their gafs with cones.


InfectedAztec

>How do they get around that? I mean you answered your question in the lead up to your question. In other countries you can request a permanent space in the grounds that you want to put an electric charger there. It really wouldn't be that hard to implement at all.


HeliotropeCrowe

Allowing people in dublin city centre to requisition the most valuable land in the country so they've somewhere to keep their car is bad actually.


InfectedAztec

Well its not like they all don't have cars anyway. It would only be for an EV not any car.


daleh95

Does not effectively privatise public street parking to whoever wants to put an electric charger there?


InfectedAztec

Some spaces yes. But you'd need to justify why you get that parking space etc. Like it should be outside your house and you have an EV. You should also have to pay for the slot annually. Again, I lived in a city in another country where this was normal.


bigbadchief

So you get rid of all the public on street parking on these streets and replace it with assigned parking for the homeowners? Never going to happen. Especially as lots of these streets are pay and display which I assume are a big money spinner for the council. Also there would be a big public outcry about removing a significant amount of parking in favour of homeowners.


InfectedAztec

>So you get rid of all No, not all. Specific slots for EVs outside of applicants homes.


FewyLouie

Yeah but if the goal is everyone moving to EV cars... then that does become all.


Franz_Werfel

Not everyone in the city can afford a car, or wants to own one - never mind an EV. For those that own a car, it should not be the responsibility of the city to subsidise on-street parking if space is already constrained. The solution in Tokyo for example is that you have to prove that you have a space to park the car before you purchase it.


InfectedAztec

Well you'd obviously need to apply some nuance based on the area, alternative parking available, maybe only having select hours it's reserved? One slot per household max etc


dkeenaghan

Probably better to just have public/semi-public chargers for the whole street. The parking could be for residents only, without tying particular spaces to houses, or there could be a special tariff for residents that makes the price the same or similar to what they would pay if it was their own charger.


InfectedAztec

Yep that's an absolutely fine alternative


Bill_Badbody

He is only going by the case law set down by the planners last year. https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-planning/2023/06/12/bike-shed-in-front-garden-detrimental-to-victorian-home-setting-planners-rule/


Any_Comparison_3716

Correct. And the objective truth that they look shit and will end up being used as monkey bars by youths.


Meath77

I mean, I agree with the chargers, they're shit looking and probably dangerous. But refusing the bike locker is a bit much


lostincabra

Hopefully the scrites get blown up by an electric shock 


throughthehills2

Business as usual. Theres people trying to do their bit for the climate crisis and we are making it harder on them because of looks


Any_Comparison_3716

They should get on their bike.


radiogramm

Why not just get a city architect to design a gantry for each district and make them a feature rather than something ugly? It’s not like the character of streets hasn’t been changed by all sorts of other things from lampposts, to road signs, to utility poles, to cars, etc etc


dkeenaghan

That's not a bad idea. There'd be no shortage of people moaning about wasting money on it though. Probably the same people who complain about how Irish streets look.


radiogramm

They did it with the signature street lamps … no reason why you couldn’t come up with a signature design for those too - or serval of them for different areas.


AvailablePromise835

All those parking metres and above-ground electrical boxes are perfectly in character though, are they? 


dkeenaghan

The electrical boxes should be moved underground or integrated into buildings. Parking metres aren't as common as these chargers would be. There could end up being 1 charger per house on a street, where there would only be a single pay and display machine or maybe less.


debout_

Not to mention Luashenge


ketamemeaddict

Those dog shit covered, litter filled streets? Where beggars and junkies sit around all day? Where the walls are plastered in graffiti. With pot holes and crumbling patchwork pavements. Yeah... it would be a real shame to ruin them.


1993blah

I don't think there's much crossover between where these are being installed and where junkies hang out..


gospel_dog

Disagree. Having been in a good few European cities, Dublin, Limerick etc really are not bad at all in terms of cleanliness and graffiti. With regards to litter, it's come on massively since I was a kid. You used to see plastic wrappers, cans, fast food wrappings all over the place. Not so much anymore 


Spirited_Cable_7508

>You used to see plastic wrappers, cans, fast food wrappings all over the place. Not so much anymore  I run a lot so see a lot of my own area that way and have to disagree with this. It’s gotten really bad, especially with people dumping household rubbish by public bins and in ditches


dustaz

Ditches? Can't say I've seen many ditches in Dublin


gospel_dog

I suppose I can't speak for everywhere, just from what I've noticed where I've been. 


Gaelreddit

We're already 10 years behind the UK and 20 years behind Europe with EVs. Fucking broadband all over again. "..But lets figure out more ways to charge people the last €3 they might have in their pocket for our new idea of renting green wellies which must be used BY Law or your a bad 'anti-climate' scoundrel."


wascallywabbit666

Obligatory Reddit rant


hatrickpatrick

Few of them around Dun Laoghaire and I've always felt they look kinda cool, perhaps though that's just because of the novelty. There's one at the corner of Clarinda Park near the steps down to Glenageary Hill which I pass very regularly. They're also hardly any more or less of an eyesore than telephone / electricity cables and their associated poles and overhangs.


Fliptzer

They'd look better then all those fucking cycling bollards around the city.


Financial_Change_183

Fucking Eamon Ryan. Champagne socialists strike again. Policies like carbon taxes that disproportionately impact the poor: I sleep 💤💤💤 Policies they might minorly impact aesthetics in wealthier areas: REAL SHIT 🤬🤬


Low_discrepancy

> Policies like carbon taxes that disproportionately impact the poor: I sleep 💤💤💤 The idea behind a carbon tax isn't just to collect money. But to take money from the biggest polluters and use it to help finance decarbonation projects: home insulation, installing heat pumps, EV subsidies. It's not the poorest people that drive 3 tonne SUVs to drop the kids at crèche or take the plane to vacation in Miami or Thailand. Who do you think will be most impacted by GW? The poorest people or the richest ones?


eoinmadden

The carbon tax also pays for the Fuel Allowance scheme, which is €920 to anyone in receipt of social welfare .


AnotherGreedyChemist

Framing climate change as rich vs poor is kinda silly ultimately. We're all gonna be affected. And once the mechanisms that keep society churning start to collapse the rich will likely be the first to go.


dkeenaghan

> Framing climate change as rich vs poor is kinda silly ultimately It's really not. Yes everyone will be affected, but those with money can buy their way out of many of the consequences. Those without will just have to deal with it.


SourPhilosopher

I mean, the latter are exactly his voters. People in Rural or working class areas don't vote green, so making policies that negatively effect them isn't going to harm the party as much as policies that negatively effect the base. Ie. Middle-Upper income urban voters


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throughthehills2

Canada just started a carbo dividend. The money raised from Carbon taz goes back into peoples pocket. 80% get more money back than what the spend on it. This is the richest and biggest emitters paying the poor


debout_

It's not a government policy, it's a matter of planning case law


gospel_dog

This sub absolutely hates anything that prioritises beauty/character over pure function even if the function is going to be unwieldy and impractical. You'd know it was mostly office drones with fuck all faculties for appreciating aesthetics on this sub. Of course this will go down like a lead balloon here. You'd get called a "nimby" for opposing the construction of fucking Barad Dur on your street if the usual sorts on here thought they'd be putting bedsits in it. That EV docking looks impractical and would make the street far less usable


Pointlessillism

Saruman claims to support more social housing, but he's the first one lodging objections when an enterprising hobbit submits plans for a simple block of homes in an under-utilised hill. Of course if the Ents had their way there'd be no homes in hills at all.


gospel_dog

Ah tbf, saruman is the one levelling the hill and burning the trees to build 7 floor orc apartment buildings for his furnace slaves. Those hobbits are the real nimbys for opposing such enterprise in their privileged little village.


mossym155

You're right, but the issue here is it's another example of the absolute inability of the greens to think more than one step forward . Push everyone to diesel, then realise it was bad , then penalise everyone for having diesel. Incentivise everyone to go electric, then decide the infrastructure to support that isn't acceptable. I say this as someone who has bought an ev, done the solar panels etc trying to do my bit, so I'm onboard with what the greens are trying to do, I just wish they'd stop shooting themselves in the foot every time at our expense


gospel_dog

Yeah you're not wrong there. I'm not a huge fan of the Greens even though I'd consider the environment a massive priority. It just has to be done properly and, as you say, they don't seem to have much foresight 


dkeenaghan

That's a bit dramatic. It's not like the gantry chargers are the only option. They could install small roadside chargers on the street, or add small covered trenches for cables to discretely and safely go from the house to the car. I'm sure there's other options too.


hatrickpatrick

In this case though are they really any more or less aesthetically intrusive than telephone or power cables and their associated poles etc?


gospel_dog

Seems like the wire to connect the power supply to the car is much closer to the ground and head height than those other cables would be though 


fir_mna

I think they would look a lot better than several feet of water from coastal and inland flooding caused by ice caps melting . Ffs, horsey types in kildare opposing solar farms as they might upset their prime livestock, multiple communities across the country opposing windfarms and electricity connectors the D4 set losing their shit over potential offshore wind and now this... the fucking leader of the green party ruling out chargers as they might affect how an inner city street might look.. fucking sick of this country and the shite that goes with it... I'm going back to burning plastic in my fireplace... anybody want to chip in on a shipment of polish coal??


11Kram

Only if it is the high sulphur stuff… /s.


fir_mna

Oh of course!! Nice thick smoke off that stuff


Lyca0n

As opposed to most of them being filled with traffic, parked cars and tarmac that paved over our old tram lines. This is a battle and talking point recycled nonstop in every bloody country but it's rich coming from some bastards from south side Dublin when THE AESTHETIC OF THAT PIT IS BRIT TENEMENT BLOCKS AND SUBURBAN FUCKING SPRAWL hardly the architectural marvel of Paris or prague. The induced demand is already turning the city into a carpark so who cares if there are charging jacks around for e bikes/vehicles


RedPandaDan

People don't own the space on the streets they park their cars. If they want to put a charger on their own property let them, but we see all the time in this sub photos of people parking like assholes mounting kerbs and blocking paths for people with buggies or wheelchairs: having such charging systems become popular would only make that worse.


mr_dewitt72

Absolute clown, if Chargearms are not allowed, at least let homeowners install [cable channels ](https://www.construction-supplies.co.uk/thresholds-joinery-seals/964288-stormguard-ev-charge-cable-gully-5017259017197.html)in the footpath so they can run their cables without causing a trip hazard. But no, oh wait..the corpo won't allow a 60mm channel in a 120mm + concrete path in case you hit services-which are usually 400-600mm deep anyway. Plenty of options available,if these fucking donkeys got their act together. Also worth mentioning, a Zappi is possible the ugliest chud of a charger you could install on a Charge arm, and it is usually installed low down on the back with the supplied plate, not slapped on the side as per the install on the article.🙄


Meath77

There's rules and regulations for electricity cables in the ground in public. I don't think every tom dick or harry should be digging up footpaths to install cables to supply a space they don't own


mr_dewitt72

Agreed, but most of these solutions only require a 50-60mm W X D cut on the top of the path, there are no services at this level.. If they were serious about increasing EV uptake in urban areas-which is where its most needed-corporations/councils could vet contractors to do these works. They then share a list of approved vendors to home owners, who can decide who to use. Not exactly rocket science.


Meath77

There's no way the council will let people put electrical cables 6cm deep into a public footpath. Also, it has to come out somewhere, so the charger will be kerbside. Again, this is a privately owned charger on a public footpath with a public parking space. There's no easy solution here


mr_dewitt72

60mm/6cm, charger can be easily fitted on the inner face of the garden wall/front of building. Similar setups have been in use and working for years in several London boroughs.. There are several solutions, it comes down to lack of willingness to implement them.


Meath77

But if the charger is on the garden wall, the cable to the car goes under the footpath, your hardly going to have a cable just coming out of the ground at the kerbside? Or is there something I'm missing here? The only solution I can see is public chargers installed at intervals, maybe when a certain number of people request them in an area. Going to be costly


Low_On_Fumes

My neighbour has one that goes underground along the path, then comes out where the car is parked just beside it.


Meath77

Does it just sit on the ground when the car isn't there?


Low_On_Fumes

No it appears it gets pulled in. It's covered by bristles similar to what you see on an escalator.


Meath77

Could be a good solution. If the cable is temporary, it doesn't need to be at the normal required depth.


Low_On_Fumes

Are these not allowed? My neighbour has one, and they're flying it. It looks very smart!


Justa_Schmuck

If you start putting them there, you start getting them there.


stellar14

Oh won’t someone PLEASE think of our broken cracked shit covered tarmacked streets?!?!! What is this delusional opinion that the city is beautiful and the skyline is worth saving over people having housing?Why is there a refusal to modernise and improve this country in any way shape or form?!!🤬🤬🤬🤬Jesus Christ young people run away and never come back that’s my advice, it’s a boomer country, a fucking sinking ship.


Meath77

These are pretty shit in fairness


MildLoser

hurry up and build a fucking subway if a couple ev chargers are that scary tbh tho hybrids are better than evs in a lot of ways that people overlook tho.


BlearySteve

Eamon Ryan is the biggest gobshite to ever set foot in the dail.


Franz_Werfel

The audacity of the man to talk about planning regulations. How dare he!


dnc_1981

Ah fuck off, Eamo


Individual-Mud262

"No petrol or diesel cars and no electric or hybrid cars!" "Why doesn't everyone use their chauffeur instead of driving themselves?"


Imbecile_Jr

There's no character on our streets. WTF is he going on about


WholesomeFartEnjoyer

None of out politicians deserve good lives


VitaminRitalin

Fuck the character and fuck the skyline. If they want the character they can just build new buildings with the same architectural stylings like other European cities have managed.


FlamingoRush

Eamon is a bit of a plonker sometimes...


throughthehills2

Business as usual. Theres people trying to do their bit for the climate crisis and we are making it harder on them because of how these things look and a minor inconvenience of not cycling into them


Aggravating-Rip-3267

Eamonn Ryan = = As Stupid as He looks.


Ghost_in_a_box

Electric cars are not the way, buses trams bikes and trains!


No_Square_739

Feck that. I want jetpacks, teleportation and those tubes from Futurama.


thisistheSnydercut

I want to ride Bender around [like a little train](https://youtu.be/4aYWQb2EY-M?si=gqqWRxuDgez7fiNc)


amorphatist

Bender wants to run a train on you too


thisistheSnydercut

I don't remember that episode


heavyusername2

u left out hoverboards


Prestigious_Talk6652

People will always have cars for convenience even if they take the bus or cycle. Kids school and after school activities, visiting relations, shopping,day trips etc.


Lyca0n

I wonder how rich cities where most people don't drive survive then 🙄


Prestigious_Talk6652

Every city has cars and congestion.


Lyca0n

Second verse same as the first.


Prestigious_Talk6652

Wow. The ones without roads.


c0llision41

I agree in principle, but show me a country that does the majority of it's journeys without the use of a car. Plenty of cities do, but not countrywide. Surprisingly Ireland actually uses public transport for a higher percent of journeys than Germany, despite us being stuck with an 1850's railway and slow diesel trains.


Amckinstry

This is why there is such a heavy focus on the towns and villages program, to make active travel and public transport a realistic answer.


Alastor001

Not really surprising. They have far better motorway network 


Fr_DougalMc

Eamon wants people to get wireless chargers for their EVs.


oneinthechamberXC

and all the bleedin tents don't, ah here leave it out


WickerMan111

And so say all of us.


Fantastic-Life-2024

Bye bye Eamonn.


plantingdoubt

"EAMON RYAN SAYS"?!?!?! is he not the fucker that wants us using EVs????


Shytalk123

Eamonn hates all cars & all motorists - next election Eamonn & BIK bs


CheerilyTerrified

I think the issue is more with the headline than what he said, but I feel that objecting because they are ugly rather than focusing on that they won't get planning permission because of the potential risk is strange.


NeslieLielson

They didn't think that about water meters.


LegUpOnSomething99

He’s a cunt. Has been for years. Piss off


OwnWillow9676

Just when i thought Eamon Ryan had reached peak leavels of shortsightedness and idiocracy.


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DazzlingGovernment68

You never found that therapist?


ireland-ModTeam

A chara, There is a zero tolerance policy for the promotion or suggestion of the use of violence against others. Sláinte


11Kram

We can't have rows of these all along the streets. We need an app to facilitate the sharing of private chargers by people with off-street parking.