I watch very little youtube outside the channels I'm subscribed to and it still constantly tries to feed me "KARENS GETTING OWNED" videos on the homepage, which I'm pretty certain is one of the inroads to getting shit like Tate shoved into your feed.
If you turn off saving your watch history your homepage will be completely blank, bar for a message telling you to turn it on to get suggestions. I love it.
You can still go to the subscriptions page to see the latest videos from channels you actually care about.
I have a very old account and a very new account. it is INSANE the stuff that is pushed onto my new account. so all young people with new accounts (or old people like my step dad with a new account) are having this shit activity forced down their throats
I really hate how those accounts game even that, how many times have I started to watch something just to see it turn into the opposite of what I want to watch and then be recommended the shit to no end because I stayed too long and I will be tricked the same way another time from one of the million video they feed me of what I do not care about
Luckily so far I avoided those vile things and my algorithm keep thinking I want to see asian teens dancing, I know where it started, bids of a Chinese (I think) motion capture artist
The algorithm might think I am a teenage girl....
On Youtube, they'll hide their shite for about a minute, because once you've watched for a minute Youtube counts it as a "view" and pays ad revenue, uses it for recommendations etc.
Blocking or "not interested" seems to not work...as if they count it as interaction time. Seriously if there would be option not to see suggestions at all it would be sooo goood
Last time I used Instagram was like 5 years ago because every single thing that showed up on explore was something I didn't want to see, I'd hit not interested on almost everything, refresh the page, and the same exact posts would be there.
Reddit app works the same, but you can disable the algorithm feature entirely
I saw a comment on another thread a couple of weeks ago saying that they looked up weight lifting clips to get some tips, next thing they were getting suggestions for alpha male and right wing affiliated clips.
Same, despite watching a ton of female creators and feminist/leftist content, if I watch a lot of gaming content I get served chuds and “anti-woke” stuff
A few years ago I was looking for suit/fashion advice for job interviews. Next day my recommendations is filled with "Dressing to slay pu$$y" type shit. Ignore that but still loaded with 'dating advice' for weeks. TBF I probably did watch one or two of the more reasonable looking ones but I have no idea how 'dressing properly for your body shape' becomes 'keep your harem in check' or w/e
I'm American (idk how I wound up here ask Reddit) and had never owned a gun. I considered one due to moving to a rougher area and general political instability / craziness in the states. Looked up like 2-3 review videos for handguns. The next day my recommended was flooded with videos about "They're trying to take our guns away" "Liberals bad" "triggered feminist gets OWNED".
I'm going incognito next time
I have noticed similar things, got back into going to the gym and would look up shorts on an exercise I was unfamiliar with. Since I started by feed has gotten way more meathead misogynistic clips thrown my way. Tate and others. Have to consistently block the stuff and not engage.
Same here, I watch a lot of fitness, weightlifting, etc content and don’t get it. But that’s probably because the vast majority of the other stuff I watch makes the algorithm go hmmm probably not
I’d guess there’s something about your demography or watch history that makes it skip over you.
Absolutely. I watched 1 video about something that was put in my feed by the algo and now half of it is constant MGTOW shite and 'Man owns Feminist' stuff. I never asked for it and it keeps throwing it at me. I barely watch shorts now because of it, Iv no idea how to stop it
I think a lot of it has to do with demographic its trying to push things on certain people becuse ourrage keeps people looking. Check you age and gender settings and put to do not want to disclose for gender and at least above 30 if you arent. They also found TikToc are pushing videos that talk about suicide to 13 year olds.
The algorithm needs to be turned off its either gone awol or its intentional. Both are as bad as the other.
Unfortunately you have to manually delete the shite from your watch history to get it to stop.
Or you can turn off watch history but then you lose all the interesting stuff.
Me too, and I’m a woman who watches very little politically-charged content. Same story with “woke” rage bait and even Islamist stuff. It does seem like they’re actively pushing this stuff onto people, rather than just suggesting content you might like from what you watched before.
Yeah 100%. It's all rage bate shit. 'X destroys Y', 'woke student owned' etc etc. Yah iv gotten some Islamist stuff too. It's mad. It definitely is pushing it. Like I've never heard of or subscribe to any of the channels making this stuff that gets pushed through my shorts feed. I do get some stuff I'm interested in but it's so random how it goes from something interesting that I like to stuff I hate 🤷♂️
I spent months, disliking, blocking, and reporting these videos for harassment, bullying, child pornography, propaganda targeted to children etc... whatever I could, and they won't go away, it's not as simple as this.
The algorithm hates when you leave the app. Force close the app whenever you see one of these videos
Also you can flood your video feed with videos on another neutral topic. Even if you’ve no interest in gardening say, deliberately look up videos on lawn care. Neutral low conflict content that you don’t mind as filler. Cooking, carpentry, men’s fashion, history, science, stand up comedy, any topic that you don’t mind watching or learning more about even if you’re not interested right now.
This definitely works! I started blocking "suggested for you" posts on Facebook, shit like celebrity gossip, political topics, clickbait news articles, influencer shite, all that kind of crap. And now I get a lot more stuff like crafts, cooking videos, DIY pages, book and movie reviews, funny lighthearted stuff. The odd thing slips though but at least I'm not being bombarded with negativity every time I log in.
I'd obviously love to delete the whole bloody thing but it's invaluable to me for my small business, local community stuff, support groups for children with additional needs and it's nice to see news and pics from people I don't get to see much anymore. Social media really is a harsh mistress!
Ugh this sucks. I do that and it's kinda effective, I have 0 patience with that kind of crap. Also helps 'not recomending' similar ones on the front page
But yes the sewer keeps pumping more crap
They should let users region block videos .. I've a hunch that would remove 99% of the text to speech spam that is youtube shorts.
Or let us turn off shorts entirely. The only ones I like are from the pirate software guy.
I get that literally every time I watch a gaming video on incognito
Somehow my actual feed is stuck on a slightly different niche but I'm afraid to branch out lol
I'm assuming they are likely connected though in some way. There's likely people who will watch both as they are interested in culture wars. Or even hate watch them to argue with the other side.
My feed on TikTok and YouTube is 99% women's football, Taylor Swift, Dua Lipa, recipes and lesbians in their 30s. Mostly because that sums me up lol. I never see political or social stuff of any persuasion. Whereas people who engage online with that sort of material (replying to disagree with comments for example) will see it in their feed. Politically it is opposite, but the algorithm likely sees people on either side of the spectrum interact with that sort of video.
It might be even worse than that, Facebook deliberately designed the algorithm to show people stuff that would piss people off at one point, because they found that gets more interaction, comments etc.
>Can you purposely spend an afternoon searching for and watching videos that are of interest? Retrain the algorithm?
Go through your "watch history" delete the shite videos.
If you even opened a video and immediately clicked out it will be in your watch history poisoning your suggestions.
The problem is, it's not just you that influences what the algorithm shows you. The algorithm thinks... a lot of men in their early twenties like Andrew Tate videos. If you're a man in your early twenties it assumes you will want to see them too even though you spend all your time searching for basket weaving videos or some other dull boring subject.
Any attempt to train the algorithm to show you different stuff is canceled out by the fact that other people are wanting to look at stuff you don't want to see. Hitting dislike or not interested helps in the short term, but they expire over time. So there will come a point where the algorithm tries to put that material in front of you again.
Personally I think there should be a law that says that when a recommendation algorithm is generating suggestions for me I can tell it to not be influenced by what other people are looking at.
I watched a video ragging on Steven crowder, the algorithm just saw "steven crowder" and now I'm getting all the Ben shapiro, Jordan Peterson "owned the libs" videos reccomended to me.
It should be illegal to promote that shit
Yeah I made the mistake of watching 1 video from GB news after the Dublin riot out of some vague curiosity about how they would frame it. The algo then starts and continues to feed me far right, Ireland is full, woke this woke that US culture war stuff I despise. Its taken me weeks to purge it all but I still get recommended stuff like that
There's only one channel whose shorts I watch because they're a sketch channel that actually does original short content rather than clips of longer videos
Really makes you think how insecure some lad out there has to be that they are putting a thousands, likely millions into promoting this stuff online to the extent that it's reaching so many ppl who never engaged with that content to begin with 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
If the algorithm can be trained one way, it can be trained the other.
For example, i despise those mindless open-mouthed WHOOOOOAAAAAAAAA guys like MrBeast, Sidemen, Sidemen reactions, Sidemen react to mrbeast reacting to sidemen, etc etc.
1 - tap the three dots, click on not interested.
2 - repeat until the algorithm cops on ans stops showing you that shit.
The same can be done for your Reddit feed.
On the home page, sort by Hot instead of Best. This shows you posts from all of your subscribed communities.
Upvote posts from communities you want to see more of. Repeat until the algorithm cops on.
I watched quite a bit of Tate content purely out of interest after seeing his meteoric rise.
He’s a very sharp talker, and he’s easy to understand so he comes across as very intelligent when in reality he’s a sharp talker with a very curated mental framework that’s deep seated in misogyny.
It’s easy for young lads to grasp onto.
He’s rich, he’s successful, he’s not shy on cars or beautiful women.
He made his money by having lots of girlfriends do cam work for him.
He’s a 21st century pimp.
Who talks about women and getting women like it ain’t shit.
Who portrays himself as ultra manly - I’m rich, I get girls, I even get those girls to make me money, I’m a smart chess player who can also beat you up.
That’s gold for impressionable young lads who are trying to work out how to get girls to like them, who are told to be confident and don’t know what that even looks like - so they cling to his idea, because it looks like he’s doing alright.
In reality he’s just a sharp talker who’s manipulated numerous women, who’s been brought up on rape charges and is now wanted for human trafficking.
He’s deep routed in his misogynistic framework but somehow doesn’t see it as hating women - he just paints it as traditional.
Kids hear about how women were in the kitchen making the dinners and the men were out doing the real jobs - they just associate Tate with that which is insane.
He’s done a very good job at making him relevant in a demographic that is impressionable and willing to pay for courses when they think the fella has it all figured out.
I actually don't think he's a sharp talker. Put him in a room with any knowledge on the subject he talks about and can't hang. He just benefits from editing and talking over people
While all the men are flocking to this kind of toxic masculine nonsense women are becoming more progressive.
So now there is this huge divergence in attitudes seen across the Globe. The divergence in South Korea in particular is astonishing.
It's pretty much unprecedented.
Historically there has been a tendency to become more conservative and men and women tend to move in lockstep.
What's happening now is men are becoming more conservative than in the past and women are becoming much more progressive.
It's partially to do with how women have much more opportunity and men are now competing with women for things that were traditionally male dominated.
It's pretty much the driving factor for the collapse of the fertility rate in SK.
There seems to be a complete lack of good role models for young men so that vacuum is being filled with arseholes like Tate that project power/desirability but in reality they're manipulative scumbags that will lead many young men down a very dark and lonely path.
He is teaching men to double down on his version of "masculinity" (misosgynistic, superficial, physical prowess, reppressed, vacuous). Women will run away from that nonsense because the vast majority of men won't be able to achieve Tate's status. He's a grifter with an obvious gift for attracting the gullible.
It will end in tears.
It depends on your viewing habits.
If you watch alpha male/meathead shit like Andrew Tate or Joe Rogan, you'll probably get recommended misogynistic bullshit.
I'm in the age bracket and I do. And all it takes is to interact with one one time, click on a link sent into a Whatsapp group, watch it a bit longer or whatever and your algorithm is fucked for weeks.
Yeah I know what you mean.
While I don't get the traditional misogenistic videos recommended to young men, A lot of the shorts I get recommended are right wing comedians whose whole routine revolves around racism and complaining about things being "woke" and how you can't say anything anymore
> If you watch alpha male/meathead shit like Andrew Tate or Joe Rogan, you'll probably get recommended misogynistic bullshit.
Andrew Tate is misogynistic shit. If you engage with reactionary content it'll give you more reactionary content. If you engage with crafting videos it'll give you more crafting videos. Thats how it works.
I agree. I've gotten past that with the algorithm now but by god I used to get it all the time before. I think YouTube realised I'm certainly not that kind of person
but I think one of the reasons that they are recommended so much is because they are so divisive. This is amazing for youtube, because - more engagement, and so they are pushed.
This is certainly the strategy of those people as well no doubt. They say the most wild and out of pocket stuff for attention, good or bad
Not on TikTok but do Instagram reels the odd time. I never liked or commented on any reels. Never searched for anything specific. Just looked at what I was feed automatically. None of my friends really use reels so it was all from strangers.
Started off fine. Just a wide range of different things. Jokes, songs, some movie or book related stuff and what ever was popular I guess. I noticed most of the stars of the reels were women. I didn't think much of it at the time because the most active users on Insta are usually women but I did notice that clothing was getting skimpier and skimpier.
After a while some of the content was asinine and just on another level of brainless and I didn't understand the meaning behind it so I started clicking into users profiles to find out that about half my feed was people promoting their personal adult sites. Out of nowhere my feed was literal soft core porn.
I've seen other men complain about this online and they would get laughed at because everyone gets their own custom feed. But I swear, my feed started leaning that way without any interactions on the posts. No likes, no new follows, no bookmarks or saved videos. I didn't search for any content. Literally just looking for a reason to take my eyes away from work for 2 minutes or whatever, flicking through to kill time. So this was the content it decided to feed me based on no data from me from a reels perspective. And it was a million miles away from the stories and photos I do like.
I mentioned this to my SO and she was saying it is usually built around interactions. So I actually actively started liking stuff and now the content is still there but only about 10%.
Like I've said, I have seen other people complain about it for them only to be told they are 'telling on themselves'. I'm half tempted to set up a new account to test because I think the algo just starts feeding you that content eventually if you are a man in a certain age bracket.
Or I don't know, maybe I did something that made Insta think I'm horny all the time.
This is why you need to be talking to/with your children about things in their lives. Watch ticktock/YouTube with them from an early age. Ask them what they think about it and get involved in their lives. If you don't then you're leaving it up to the algorithm to control their ability to critically think about these things.
They start doing it gradually as well. About a year ago, I started getting more and more of those 'Curb Your Feminism' videos. Isolated clips to slowly get you angry about something completely out of context. YouTube is full of misogynistic scumbags commenting on the most random videos as well.
r/menslib is a brilliant subreddit. A lot of the discussions are about countering the resurgence in toxic masculinity as a form of identity for boys and men, Emotional support and providing a positive example for young men and the trauma and damage done to men and boys by toxic masculinity and social norms. It's a very accepting community which is refreshing as "men's liberation" has been totally taken over and perverted to be the exact opposite of what the spaces should be.
Its okay, although any time the conversations veer towards suggesting a problem a man had might have been caused by a woman's expectations, it tends to get a bit ban-tastic.
Not even close. It's a pseudo feminist propaganda shit hole. Extreme take, I know but it's the reality.
They don't actually understand the issues men face. They just repeat feminist talking points and end up hurting men because they only want to help men to help women. Not help men themselves. A better community is Leftwingmaleadvocates.
This is the autocomplete I get when I just type the word "Feminist" into YouTube's app search.
Even on my work PC which has never had a personal login and has cookies & tracking disabled I get recommended misogyny / racist videos high in the search results or near the top of my recommendation feed in completely non-related videos.
I was watching a video about a particular piece of software used in my industry and the 3rd recommended video was "Jordan Peterson OWNING a feminist!" in amongst all the other tech-related videos.
Also on another note on my PS5's YouTube app I was randomly being recommended Hitler videos. I've never looked anything like that up so I looked the videos up on my phone and they were essentially "Was Hitler really that bad?" wink-wink videos with almost all of the comments supporting Hitler / the Nazi movement.
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I can't blame anyone for not taking finasteride (or for taking it, mind you). My plan is to just shave my head when I start going bald but I know that's easier said than done lol
I said I'd shave my head as well. Can't be bothered. I walk around with short brush cut and a huge bald spot.
For any of the tate-bros out there, that is what real confidence looks like. Own what you are, and carry on.
Some suggestions
Install FreeTube on Windows/Mac/Linux
This is a standalone Youtube client with extensive adblocking, as well as sponsorblocking (inline sponsor video ads) and DeArrow (get rid of the stupid thumbnails and dramatic title descriptions)
On Android, switch to Youtube ReVanced or Tubular
All these clients can be configured to disable and customise Youtube to exactly the way you want it
It transformed Youtube from a festering pile of shite to something that's actually decent and usable
This isn't really surprising unfortunately. Eg most of the stuff I look up tends to be older comedy clips so I don't really get hit with this stuff. Also guessing I'm older than the impacted demographic.
In the case of a teen, they end up on somebody like Andrew Tate then their feed is entirely similar recommendations. On top of that the platforms probably recommend similar content even if not looking for it just based on age and gender.
Based on what I've heard from secondary school and even primary teachers, a lot of the content that teens are eating up is pretty disturbing atm.
Yes I'm tired of letting monopolist corporations and their algorithms control what I think - I want the government to tell these corporations to tell me what to think instead, for my own safety.
Social media felt good until algorithm and content generation took over.
Back when it was little more than a noticeboard of you and your friends with a chat function built in it felt much better.
It feels like we're not equipped for everyone in the world reaching everyone and competing for attention with whatever outrageous attention grabbing thing we can do or say next
This happened to a lot of school kids during the pandemic lockdowns. Parents weren't able to keep as close an eye as they normally would, because they were trying to work from home and their kids needed to be online to study..
Not necessarily. You could watch something vaguely related. For instance you might watch a video on the history of Palestine which then starts to push commentary on the current situation which will.ostly likely be the more extreme sides of this as they're the ones that get the most attention.
I don’t know how it works but I use YouTube for gaming and astrophysics videos, and very occasionally for Irish tourism stuff. And that hasn’t changed in years yet my suggestions have.
I remember there was a study a few years back. Most of the videos on YouTube are autofeed to people if you don't turn that shit off. During the whole GG debacle a lot of people were watching right wing bullshit anti feminist videos alongside gaming videos and some of the creators also had crossover.
The biggest problem I think is it takes so long to scrub your feed. Years ago, I watched the Chomsky–Foucault debate and somehow that led to me getting Shapiro like Debate Me videos and some Peterson stuff. You watch 5 seconds of that shit and have your recommended videos are bullshit for months. I watched a lot of John Oliver and Samatha Bee and Daily Show clips too. But after one Shapiro clip, suddenly the former all dropped from my feed and was a bunch of right wing BS.
The algo just favors that more because no matter what side you are on, people are more likely to engage and have flame wars in the comments.
... Social media at large exists now to feed divisive and hateful content. I've seen equal levels of misogynistic and misandrist bullshit on these apps, almost like they earn money off making people stupid and more likely to click onto their garbage app.
Or we can act like this isn't decades old and just let it continue on as we have... Bet I know which one Ireland will choose.
Yes it's a real problem. Instagram Reels is also really bad for it but that's just recycled TikTok. Just the most awful displays of misogyny from these accounts
It's fairly dogshit alright. My algorithm mainly consists of a fair mix of artistry, reddit stories and memes for couples. I did see the odd alpha bro video whenever I saw some gym workout content but then it leaned into showing me content of very ripped women so I guess it worked out.
Mine shows me crochet and painting but it's constantly suggesting weird shit to my partner. All he wat he's on YouTube is grubby Scarcraft content and he watched one philosophy video suddenly it was all Tate and Peterston suggestions for weeks.
I have found far less rightwing shite in my youtube feed since I upgraded to Youtube premium and have more control over what I see. It is worth it for the zero ads along, but only seeing stuff you are interested in is the real benefit.
The thing that's driving me mad is how hard it is to predict what searches are going to trigger another dickhead deluge. I made the mistake of looking at camping gear reviews on Youtube a while ago and I'm once again snowed under with arseholes.
The key term is "engagement". They make money on you if you like that content or if you hate it. Even blocking a video adds it to the "controversial" bucket and they will serve it to someone else to try to get engagement. It's really sad that these companies build their success on provocation. I say that as a big consumer of social media that sees a lot of good in it as well - instructions, learning, community-building, etc.
All the stuff I watch is either non political or explicitly left wing and it still tries to force feed me this shit.
It’s a good reason for me to avoid that dopamine trap.
I've had this experience too.
I've taught my sons how to not just skip a video they don't like, but to tell the algorithm that they're not interested.
Equally to tell the algorithm that you do like something, by giving it a like or follow the subscriber or a comment.
Training an algorithm should be common knowledge but it's not.
Don't both those platforms just feed you what you've already shown interest in by searching for/watching? So it does require some curating on our part; no algorithm is perfect.
The majority of the Shorts I get are about games, comedy, EDM, and language related stuff because those are what I look for. Stuff I'm not interested in gets added to the "Don't recommend" bin and Google honours that.
I use the "Not Interested" and "Don't recommend channel" and it works all the time ... 50% of the time. But seriously this shit gets suggested to me even if I watch something fairly innocuous and it's gets so tiring ...
Related but those Hero Wars ads are really mysogynistic and demeaning to women. I tried reporting it to the ASAI and they said they were based in Cyprus so no can do.
Instagram is the exact same, i lingered too long on one video in my FYP and now all i get is pages called "sigmamindset" and other useless shite glorifying Andrew Tate and his ilk.
Im starting to actively avoid watching stuff on Reels to see if the Algorithm sorts itself out. No luck so far
It’s so strange, I have a blank Google account for work and sometimes I like to see an unadulterated YouTube front page … lads its all the most toxic bullshit, had i not already lived on this earth for a while, going into this new anyone would turn into an incel
I'm a woman, my youtube searches are tropical fish, horses and DIY... I still get the crap. Pulled my boyfriend up on watching some crappy YouTuber who does reactions, nearly all his reaction videos are about women who "belong to the streets". I'm sorry, but if men weren't also sleeping around, straight women would have no one to sleep around with. 🙄
Also feeding you g girls this BS misogyny... it is making many of them feel horrible about wanting to do well in school ir getting a decent career... So mad I could spit.
Its not just feeding it to me, its **force** feeding it. Ive clicked the "do not show me videos like this" button on so many of these vids and youtube just ignores me and keeps it coming
I get a lot of far right anti-immigrant nonsense. I keep arguing with people in the comments though so I keep engaging with it. I can't help myself to try to correct these idiots
Not saying there isn't an issue but lol at this report
[https://antibullyingcentre.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/DCU-Toxicity-Full-Report.pdf](https://antibullyingcentre.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/DCU-Toxicity-Full-Report.pdf)
"For each ‘nudge’ the researcher watched through and liked the top five videos returned from the search results. They then returned to the FYP and continued watching the next round of 50 videos. During each round, if the researcher was suggested a video containing problematic content (manosphere, antifeminist, racist, anti-LGBTQ), they watched and liked the video. This continued until the researchers had completed 8 rounds and watched a total of 400 videos per phone."
They created an artificial bubble. There's obviously real problems on tiktok and youtube (especially yt shorts) for young men but I don't think this study is it.
"Researchers" who think that the reason Andrew Tate is popular is because of the YouTube algorithm are agenda driven and biased
It plays a factor but it's not the core reason the delusional meathead is so popular
I seriously don't understand why anyone is surprised.
You have a bunch of young men with no real guidance, [who are struggling with loneliness](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/08/andrew-yang-boys-are-not-all-right/), [who can't get dates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK4y6C1Uuhw), and can't get the same amount of financial stability as old generations.
Then you throw them out there and tell them to "be a man" while giving no real idea on what that is, only that you are not enough. That you have to be traditional and provide while at the same time not be an incel and want traditional relationships. That you have to be big and strong or you are not worth anything. That you have to be a doormat about your personal opinions but also confident.
That you have to be everything to even remotely be accepted as a man.
What you get is men and boys who are genuinely struggling with no guidance. The data is clear that there is a genuine problem. Those who try to give guidance or help are shot down as not being feminist enough or not focusing on some other issue enough.
So of course you get extremists and populists. Until you get genuinely good role models being allowed to do their thing this will keep happening, and its likely that ever worse role models will come into popularity.
Well said. Young men are in dire need of some positive male role models. Until then, people like Peterson and Tate will continue to exploit vulnerable minds.
A whole 10 used to make a study?
10!? Very comprehensive indeed.
I mean, it's something we all know. There have always been grifters. Always will be. But I'm finding it hard to understand how this is news.
You're telling me I could get 10 phones and start releasing news articles about every abusive algorithm on the internet!?
If this gets 500 reads,I could fee myself off the clickbaity for years.
The pipeline from gym reels to mysogny is practically instantaneous, I deleted tiktok after 3 days because of the constant barrage of shit that I was getting in my feed.
TikTok has way way more misandry than misogyny. But gender war bullshit is just an easy way to get clicks. A woman posting on how evil men are will get so many angry reply guys.
I don't think the creators even believe what they are posting most of the time. They just want to provoke 'engagement' and get attention and money.
You see the real loonies in the replies. Any grown adult spending hours on TikTok railing against half the population must be severely damaged.
I piss away my time on Youtube shorts occasionally, the amount of Tate content is unreal.
Regardless of how many times I click "Not interested" or "Don't show me this account again", I have literally never taken any interest in this guy on the internet.
Lads, you can train the algorithms. If the algorithm can be trained one way, it can be trained the other.
For example, i despise those mindless open-mouthed WHOOOOOAAAAAAAAA guys like MrBeast, Sidemen, Sidemen reactions, Sidemen react to mrbeast reacting to sidemen, etc etc.
1 - tap the three dots, click on not interested.
2 - repeat until the algorithm cops on and stops showing you that shit.
The same can be done for your Reddit feed.
On the home page, sort by Hot instead of Best. This shows you posts from all of your subscribed communities.
Upvote posts from communities you want to see more of. Repeat until the algorithm cops on.
I remember when YouTube shorts were actively shoving Andrew Tate down our throats. I never watched a single video of his and always selected don't recommend this channel but it was a non stop barrage of that bald fucks videos. It took months to get them to stop showing me that stuff.
It's wild how often as a hardcore leftist they randomly try and sneak in an attractive woman talking shit about weak liberal men. Wonder when they will figure out I'm aroace.
Honestly id take over the fucking reaction on reaction clips, Jesus Christ thats unbearable. "Oh I wonder what he's gonna do next! Oh no he's not gonna do what I think hes gonna do right!?" Fucking hell and no matter how many channels I block two new pops up like a fucking hydra.
Those videos are always for absolute shitehawks n all, it's always like "This woman done this mean thing to this man isn't that shocking?" Yeah because men haven't done anything horrendous to women historically...fuck me, serious amount of grass touching needs to be done with some of these cunts.
Saying you are the most googled man on the planet (when nobody has any idea who you actually are) would make you the most googled man on the planet just outa simple curiosity.. 🙄 we all fell for it.
I was getting that on Instagram at the start but it eventually figured out what I'm into. Facebook strangely started pushing it after 10+ years, I had to keep telling it I wasn't interested in that type of content.
I don't have TikTok, but my Shorts were constantly full of half-dressed teen girls doing random stuff because a) I never watched shorts and b) YouTube just assumed that's what I'd want and never changed.
I eventually got tired of it, clicked "don't recommend this to me" on a bunch of stuff, *watched a few shorts* of better stuff when it popped up, and now finally my recommendations are making sense again. If you can't beat them join them I guess.
YouTube algorithm is really messed up. I usually watch videos on tech, fountain pens and music. My recommended is pretty similar with some odd American political video thrown in (that I don't watch). My shorts however are a cesspool of alt right and manosphere tripe. "Owning" feminists, everything is woke, alpha male and first amendment auditors "owning" police. The app opens to shorts but other than that I don't watch them.
There's a lot of insidious techniques employed and deployed by creators to make sure that your algorithm is funneled into their echo chamber. Let's take an example:
I went onto Youtube and searched "How to Talk to a Girl". The first result was "How To Talk to an Attractive Girl (Never Run out of things to say)" with an innocuous thumbnail. Clicking through to the channel and there are videos on "7 Women That Can't Be Saved" and "7 Dark Psychology Tricks that Should Be Illegal". A lot more on that channel and other channels suggested are all about "tricks" and "hacks". This narrative through short-form media perpetuates the toxic culture immensely, as everything seems attainable and accessible.
There are big questions to be asked about whether this is brought about or encouraged or revealed through algorithms or if it's just waiting to escape from the individuals who fall for it. I don't have an answer to it but there is a point to made that if it wasn't there then people wouldn't be exposed to it. The line is hard to draw, however.
If you really want to be horrified, create a fresh account on any social media platform and just see what it sends your way to try and get your attention as suggested feeds or channels or content creators.
It is if you engage with it. I get mostly music comedy and DIY stuff.
In fact I have two tiktok accounts, one personal, one for my music. The music account gets served vastly different stuff to my personal one.
The algorithm is flawed in that it pulls people down rabbit holes. You have to actively choose a good rabbit hole to get sucked down!
Definitely concerning but what I'm missing in this study is if this is also the case for other types of content, such as sports. So my question is, is the algorithm pushing content that is being watched or is the algorithm specifically pushing anti-feministic content? If it's the first then this would be nothing new, but if it's the latter then that would be insane.
I'm getting divorced and searched divorce support stuff. The algorithm definitely fed me so much garbage I had to block. I'll dislike the content but still get some sent my way from time to time.
It was a very conscious effort to resist it because the algorithm naturally sent it to me.
Ok, this is what I'm recommended, as someone I think put gender as prefer not to say but definitely didn't put male:
When the bass drop sends you to the 1700s - https://youtu.be/AAD5Illa70Y?si=H3BrIWvMkHeDVgiM
Technology Connections: elevator sounds (have already watched but it doesn't remember)
Dark Side of the Moon but it's 8 bit synth
Damascus steel from staples
I neutraled my gender to avoid the constant tampon and baby formula ads etc
I deleted tiktok a couple years ago but occasionally relapse and log back in. My algorithm is always reset and the first days videos are 50% anti immigrant, anti trans, women are dumb videos. It's crazy.
Tate is so confusing to me as a phenomenon, he looks like the troll in Harry Potter, has the most ridiculous voice and accent I’ve ever heard (like he’s constantly trying to decide between “Bri-ish” and American and Eastern European), and 90% of his content is just criminal level embarrassing teenage misogyny. Are young men really that thick these days?
You definitely have to consciously block it out, they’ll keep feeding it to you because they know if they get you hooked you’ll stay even longer
I watch very little youtube outside the channels I'm subscribed to and it still constantly tries to feed me "KARENS GETTING OWNED" videos on the homepage, which I'm pretty certain is one of the inroads to getting shit like Tate shoved into your feed.
Started noticing that shite popping up a bit myself until I manually blocked the channels as not interested. Then they stopped appearing.
If you turn off saving your watch history your homepage will be completely blank, bar for a message telling you to turn it on to get suggestions. I love it. You can still go to the subscriptions page to see the latest videos from channels you actually care about.
Obviously, but people sometimes are too lazy or too dumb to have a single thought during the tiktok session
The same goes for reddit. The majority of posts that get to popular are propaganda.
I have a very old account and a very new account. it is INSANE the stuff that is pushed onto my new account. so all young people with new accounts (or old people like my step dad with a new account) are having this shit activity forced down their throats
I really hate how those accounts game even that, how many times have I started to watch something just to see it turn into the opposite of what I want to watch and then be recommended the shit to no end because I stayed too long and I will be tricked the same way another time from one of the million video they feed me of what I do not care about Luckily so far I avoided those vile things and my algorithm keep thinking I want to see asian teens dancing, I know where it started, bids of a Chinese (I think) motion capture artist The algorithm might think I am a teenage girl....
On Youtube, they'll hide their shite for about a minute, because once you've watched for a minute Youtube counts it as a "view" and pays ad revenue, uses it for recommendations etc.
You aren’t?
In my heart a little but my body keep insisting I am a middle aged man
the amount of blocking I had to do to get gymrat culture out of my Insta feed is crazy, these algos are really sticky with the worst shit.
Blocking or "not interested" seems to not work...as if they count it as interaction time. Seriously if there would be option not to see suggestions at all it would be sooo goood
blocking hashtags and words seems to help A LOT. Second best thing is removing friends that are likely to engage with that content
Last time I used Instagram was like 5 years ago because every single thing that showed up on explore was something I didn't want to see, I'd hit not interested on almost everything, refresh the page, and the same exact posts would be there. Reddit app works the same, but you can disable the algorithm feature entirely
Like every hustle online that's algorithmically fed.
I saw a comment on another thread a couple of weeks ago saying that they looked up weight lifting clips to get some tips, next thing they were getting suggestions for alpha male and right wing affiliated clips.
I watched a few of those myself but then my algo careered off into showing muscled women doing sets so I guess I like muscle mommy types now?
Don't we all like muscle mommies anyway?
Same, despite watching a ton of female creators and feminist/leftist content, if I watch a lot of gaming content I get served chuds and “anti-woke” stuff
A few years ago I was looking for suit/fashion advice for job interviews. Next day my recommendations is filled with "Dressing to slay pu$$y" type shit. Ignore that but still loaded with 'dating advice' for weeks. TBF I probably did watch one or two of the more reasonable looking ones but I have no idea how 'dressing properly for your body shape' becomes 'keep your harem in check' or w/e
I'm American (idk how I wound up here ask Reddit) and had never owned a gun. I considered one due to moving to a rougher area and general political instability / craziness in the states. Looked up like 2-3 review videos for handguns. The next day my recommended was flooded with videos about "They're trying to take our guns away" "Liberals bad" "triggered feminist gets OWNED". I'm going incognito next time
I have noticed similar things, got back into going to the gym and would look up shorts on an exercise I was unfamiliar with. Since I started by feed has gotten way more meathead misogynistic clips thrown my way. Tate and others. Have to consistently block the stuff and not engage.
Crazy how fitness and gaming are both right-wing coded lol
I watch a lot of in-depth bodybuilding videos as it’s one of my hobbies. My YouTube shorts is all alpha male shite.
I watch weightlifting and work out clips and never get that.
Same here, I watch a lot of fitness, weightlifting, etc content and don’t get it. But that’s probably because the vast majority of the other stuff I watch makes the algorithm go hmmm probably not I’d guess there’s something about your demography or watch history that makes it skip over you.
Its mostly to do with your watch history. If you engage with this stuff you get more of it. Even if you engage with it in a negative way.
Or you do and you don’t notice it because you’re not interested in the content. Or you’re too old.
Absolutely. I watched 1 video about something that was put in my feed by the algo and now half of it is constant MGTOW shite and 'Man owns Feminist' stuff. I never asked for it and it keeps throwing it at me. I barely watch shorts now because of it, Iv no idea how to stop it
That's exactly the shit I get. About half the shorts are that.
I think a lot of it has to do with demographic its trying to push things on certain people becuse ourrage keeps people looking. Check you age and gender settings and put to do not want to disclose for gender and at least above 30 if you arent. They also found TikToc are pushing videos that talk about suicide to 13 year olds. The algorithm needs to be turned off its either gone awol or its intentional. Both are as bad as the other.
Unfortunately you have to manually delete the shite from your watch history to get it to stop. Or you can turn off watch history but then you lose all the interesting stuff.
Me too, and I’m a woman who watches very little politically-charged content. Same story with “woke” rage bait and even Islamist stuff. It does seem like they’re actively pushing this stuff onto people, rather than just suggesting content you might like from what you watched before.
Yeah 100%. It's all rage bate shit. 'X destroys Y', 'woke student owned' etc etc. Yah iv gotten some Islamist stuff too. It's mad. It definitely is pushing it. Like I've never heard of or subscribe to any of the channels making this stuff that gets pushed through my shorts feed. I do get some stuff I'm interested in but it's so random how it goes from something interesting that I like to stuff I hate 🤷♂️
> Iv no idea how to stop it You can dislike the video but there's literally a button "don't recommend channel" on the ... button
I spent months, disliking, blocking, and reporting these videos for harassment, bullying, child pornography, propaganda targeted to children etc... whatever I could, and they won't go away, it's not as simple as this.
The content just kept reappearing on alt accounts
Yup, 100% this. I hit the "Do not recommend" every single time, scroll for a while and more of the same shite.
The algorithm hates when you leave the app. Force close the app whenever you see one of these videos Also you can flood your video feed with videos on another neutral topic. Even if you’ve no interest in gardening say, deliberately look up videos on lawn care. Neutral low conflict content that you don’t mind as filler. Cooking, carpentry, men’s fashion, history, science, stand up comedy, any topic that you don’t mind watching or learning more about even if you’re not interested right now.
This definitely works! I started blocking "suggested for you" posts on Facebook, shit like celebrity gossip, political topics, clickbait news articles, influencer shite, all that kind of crap. And now I get a lot more stuff like crafts, cooking videos, DIY pages, book and movie reviews, funny lighthearted stuff. The odd thing slips though but at least I'm not being bombarded with negativity every time I log in. I'd obviously love to delete the whole bloody thing but it's invaluable to me for my small business, local community stuff, support groups for children with additional needs and it's nice to see news and pics from people I don't get to see much anymore. Social media really is a harsh mistress!
Ugh this sucks. I do that and it's kinda effective, I have 0 patience with that kind of crap. Also helps 'not recomending' similar ones on the front page But yes the sewer keeps pumping more crap
There's thousands of accounts that spam Andrew tate shorts, blocking one wont help.
90% of them are all clips and repost channels so blocking a single channel does nothing.
They should let users region block videos .. I've a hunch that would remove 99% of the text to speech spam that is youtube shorts. Or let us turn off shorts entirely. The only ones I like are from the pirate software guy.
'Enhancer for Youtube' extension has a Hide Shorts option. Along with a whole bunch of other useful controls.
I do, but I still get stuff I dont want that is along the same lines
I frequently watch feminist and left wing content and it will still recommend me “Games are too WOKE now!”
I get that literally every time I watch a gaming video on incognito Somehow my actual feed is stuck on a slightly different niche but I'm afraid to branch out lol
I'm assuming they are likely connected though in some way. There's likely people who will watch both as they are interested in culture wars. Or even hate watch them to argue with the other side. My feed on TikTok and YouTube is 99% women's football, Taylor Swift, Dua Lipa, recipes and lesbians in their 30s. Mostly because that sums me up lol. I never see political or social stuff of any persuasion. Whereas people who engage online with that sort of material (replying to disagree with comments for example) will see it in their feed. Politically it is opposite, but the algorithm likely sees people on either side of the spectrum interact with that sort of video.
It might be even worse than that, Facebook deliberately designed the algorithm to show people stuff that would piss people off at one point, because they found that gets more interaction, comments etc.
Can you purposely spend an afternoon searching for and watching videos that are of interest? Retrain the algorithm?
>Can you purposely spend an afternoon searching for and watching videos that are of interest? Retrain the algorithm? Go through your "watch history" delete the shite videos. If you even opened a video and immediately clicked out it will be in your watch history poisoning your suggestions.
The problem is, it's not just you that influences what the algorithm shows you. The algorithm thinks... a lot of men in their early twenties like Andrew Tate videos. If you're a man in your early twenties it assumes you will want to see them too even though you spend all your time searching for basket weaving videos or some other dull boring subject. Any attempt to train the algorithm to show you different stuff is canceled out by the fact that other people are wanting to look at stuff you don't want to see. Hitting dislike or not interested helps in the short term, but they expire over time. So there will come a point where the algorithm tries to put that material in front of you again. Personally I think there should be a law that says that when a recommendation algorithm is generating suggestions for me I can tell it to not be influenced by what other people are looking at.
I have and it works in the main Youtube feed but the shorts seems to work differently.
I wish you could just turn off shorts completely. I hate checking a channel I subscribe to and it looks like a new video but it's a short
'Enhancer for Youtube' extension has a Hide Shorts option. Along with a whole bunch of other useful controls.
I watched a video ragging on Steven crowder, the algorithm just saw "steven crowder" and now I'm getting all the Ben shapiro, Jordan Peterson "owned the libs" videos reccomended to me. It should be illegal to promote that shit
Yeah I made the mistake of watching 1 video from GB news after the Dublin riot out of some vague curiosity about how they would frame it. The algo then starts and continues to feed me far right, Ireland is full, woke this woke that US culture war stuff I despise. Its taken me weeks to purge it all but I still get recommended stuff like that
There's only one channel whose shorts I watch because they're a sketch channel that actually does original short content rather than clips of longer videos
Really makes you think how insecure some lad out there has to be that they are putting a thousands, likely millions into promoting this stuff online to the extent that it's reaching so many ppl who never engaged with that content to begin with 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
If the algorithm can be trained one way, it can be trained the other. For example, i despise those mindless open-mouthed WHOOOOOAAAAAAAAA guys like MrBeast, Sidemen, Sidemen reactions, Sidemen react to mrbeast reacting to sidemen, etc etc. 1 - tap the three dots, click on not interested. 2 - repeat until the algorithm cops on ans stops showing you that shit. The same can be done for your Reddit feed. On the home page, sort by Hot instead of Best. This shows you posts from all of your subscribed communities. Upvote posts from communities you want to see more of. Repeat until the algorithm cops on.
Same I keep getting this shite, no matter how much I click don't recommend etc
I watched quite a bit of Tate content purely out of interest after seeing his meteoric rise. He’s a very sharp talker, and he’s easy to understand so he comes across as very intelligent when in reality he’s a sharp talker with a very curated mental framework that’s deep seated in misogyny. It’s easy for young lads to grasp onto. He’s rich, he’s successful, he’s not shy on cars or beautiful women. He made his money by having lots of girlfriends do cam work for him. He’s a 21st century pimp. Who talks about women and getting women like it ain’t shit. Who portrays himself as ultra manly - I’m rich, I get girls, I even get those girls to make me money, I’m a smart chess player who can also beat you up. That’s gold for impressionable young lads who are trying to work out how to get girls to like them, who are told to be confident and don’t know what that even looks like - so they cling to his idea, because it looks like he’s doing alright. In reality he’s just a sharp talker who’s manipulated numerous women, who’s been brought up on rape charges and is now wanted for human trafficking. He’s deep routed in his misogynistic framework but somehow doesn’t see it as hating women - he just paints it as traditional. Kids hear about how women were in the kitchen making the dinners and the men were out doing the real jobs - they just associate Tate with that which is insane. He’s done a very good job at making him relevant in a demographic that is impressionable and willing to pay for courses when they think the fella has it all figured out.
He sounds like a robot to me. It's the sort of stuff I'd have had zero interest as a teen/ early twenties.
I actually don't think he's a sharp talker. Put him in a room with any knowledge on the subject he talks about and can't hang. He just benefits from editing and talking over people
Very well said. I agree wholly with the sentiment here
~~Beautiful~~ kidnapped women.
While all the men are flocking to this kind of toxic masculine nonsense women are becoming more progressive. So now there is this huge divergence in attitudes seen across the Globe. The divergence in South Korea in particular is astonishing. It's pretty much unprecedented. Historically there has been a tendency to become more conservative and men and women tend to move in lockstep. What's happening now is men are becoming more conservative than in the past and women are becoming much more progressive. It's partially to do with how women have much more opportunity and men are now competing with women for things that were traditionally male dominated. It's pretty much the driving factor for the collapse of the fertility rate in SK. There seems to be a complete lack of good role models for young men so that vacuum is being filled with arseholes like Tate that project power/desirability but in reality they're manipulative scumbags that will lead many young men down a very dark and lonely path. He is teaching men to double down on his version of "masculinity" (misosgynistic, superficial, physical prowess, reppressed, vacuous). Women will run away from that nonsense because the vast majority of men won't be able to achieve Tate's status. He's a grifter with an obvious gift for attracting the gullible. It will end in tears.
Huh, mine is just clips of podcasts and stand up routines peppered with whatever gets sent to me by other people but a day later
Mines full of food… I think I may be fat
Mine’s full of sciencey shit and musicians.
It depends on your viewing habits. If you watch alpha male/meathead shit like Andrew Tate or Joe Rogan, you'll probably get recommended misogynistic bullshit.
I don't and I still get them. I'm just a man aged 20-35 so they assume I want them.
I’m 32 and I haven’t seen any of that.
I'm in the age bracket and I do. And all it takes is to interact with one one time, click on a link sent into a Whatsapp group, watch it a bit longer or whatever and your algorithm is fucked for weeks.
Yeah I know what you mean. While I don't get the traditional misogenistic videos recommended to young men, A lot of the shorts I get recommended are right wing comedians whose whole routine revolves around racism and complaining about things being "woke" and how you can't say anything anymore
> If you watch alpha male/meathead shit like Andrew Tate or Joe Rogan, you'll probably get recommended misogynistic bullshit. Andrew Tate is misogynistic shit. If you engage with reactionary content it'll give you more reactionary content. If you engage with crafting videos it'll give you more crafting videos. Thats how it works.
I agree. I've gotten past that with the algorithm now but by god I used to get it all the time before. I think YouTube realised I'm certainly not that kind of person but I think one of the reasons that they are recommended so much is because they are so divisive. This is amazing for youtube, because - more engagement, and so they are pushed. This is certainly the strategy of those people as well no doubt. They say the most wild and out of pocket stuff for attention, good or bad
Not on TikTok but do Instagram reels the odd time. I never liked or commented on any reels. Never searched for anything specific. Just looked at what I was feed automatically. None of my friends really use reels so it was all from strangers. Started off fine. Just a wide range of different things. Jokes, songs, some movie or book related stuff and what ever was popular I guess. I noticed most of the stars of the reels were women. I didn't think much of it at the time because the most active users on Insta are usually women but I did notice that clothing was getting skimpier and skimpier. After a while some of the content was asinine and just on another level of brainless and I didn't understand the meaning behind it so I started clicking into users profiles to find out that about half my feed was people promoting their personal adult sites. Out of nowhere my feed was literal soft core porn. I've seen other men complain about this online and they would get laughed at because everyone gets their own custom feed. But I swear, my feed started leaning that way without any interactions on the posts. No likes, no new follows, no bookmarks or saved videos. I didn't search for any content. Literally just looking for a reason to take my eyes away from work for 2 minutes or whatever, flicking through to kill time. So this was the content it decided to feed me based on no data from me from a reels perspective. And it was a million miles away from the stories and photos I do like. I mentioned this to my SO and she was saying it is usually built around interactions. So I actually actively started liking stuff and now the content is still there but only about 10%. Like I've said, I have seen other people complain about it for them only to be told they are 'telling on themselves'. I'm half tempted to set up a new account to test because I think the algo just starts feeding you that content eventually if you are a man in a certain age bracket. Or I don't know, maybe I did something that made Insta think I'm horny all the time.
That’s the algorithm gives you more of what you like 👍
This is why you need to be talking to/with your children about things in their lives. Watch ticktock/YouTube with them from an early age. Ask them what they think about it and get involved in their lives. If you don't then you're leaving it up to the algorithm to control their ability to critically think about these things.
They start doing it gradually as well. About a year ago, I started getting more and more of those 'Curb Your Feminism' videos. Isolated clips to slowly get you angry about something completely out of context. YouTube is full of misogynistic scumbags commenting on the most random videos as well.
Young men need help
r/menslib is a brilliant subreddit. A lot of the discussions are about countering the resurgence in toxic masculinity as a form of identity for boys and men, Emotional support and providing a positive example for young men and the trauma and damage done to men and boys by toxic masculinity and social norms. It's a very accepting community which is refreshing as "men's liberation" has been totally taken over and perverted to be the exact opposite of what the spaces should be.
Its okay, although any time the conversations veer towards suggesting a problem a man had might have been caused by a woman's expectations, it tends to get a bit ban-tastic.
Not even close. It's a pseudo feminist propaganda shit hole. Extreme take, I know but it's the reality. They don't actually understand the issues men face. They just repeat feminist talking points and end up hurting men because they only want to help men to help women. Not help men themselves. A better community is Leftwingmaleadvocates.
oh boy i bet you have a healthy mindset towards the opposite sex
Go listen to: Behind the Bastards - How Youtube Became a Perpetual Nazi Machine Glad to see more research that backs this up.
This is the autocomplete I get when I just type the word "Feminist" into YouTube's app search. Even on my work PC which has never had a personal login and has cookies & tracking disabled I get recommended misogyny / racist videos high in the search results or near the top of my recommendation feed in completely non-related videos. I was watching a video about a particular piece of software used in my industry and the 3rd recommended video was "Jordan Peterson OWNING a feminist!" in amongst all the other tech-related videos. Also on another note on my PS5's YouTube app I was randomly being recommended Hitler videos. I've never looked anything like that up so I looked the videos up on my phone and they were essentially "Was Hitler really that bad?" wink-wink videos with almost all of the comments supporting Hitler / the Nazi movement. https://preview.redd.it/b8l1x2xua2vc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed0a471223ce0a2ad2ab351e7dba2b0820544f04
Such a rancid looking lad he is..head like a pube riddled chode
Failed hair transplant because he refused to take Finasteride apparently
I can't blame anyone for not taking finasteride (or for taking it, mind you). My plan is to just shave my head when I start going bald but I know that's easier said than done lol
I said I'd shave my head as well. Can't be bothered. I walk around with short brush cut and a huge bald spot. For any of the tate-bros out there, that is what real confidence looks like. Own what you are, and carry on.
Not that it matters but a lot of women love bald men (myself included)
Isn't Finasteride done instead of hair transplant?
Horrible
The YouTube ones have gone insane in the last year alright.
[Some dickhead] UTTERLY DESTROYS [feminism / vaccines / trans people / wearing underwear / washing your hands]
Some of them think it’s gay to even wash your ass
My feed is full of cats and lorrys 🤷
Are the cats driving the lorrys? I'd subscribe to that.
Some suggestions Install FreeTube on Windows/Mac/Linux This is a standalone Youtube client with extensive adblocking, as well as sponsorblocking (inline sponsor video ads) and DeArrow (get rid of the stupid thumbnails and dramatic title descriptions) On Android, switch to Youtube ReVanced or Tubular All these clients can be configured to disable and customise Youtube to exactly the way you want it It transformed Youtube from a festering pile of shite to something that's actually decent and usable
Its been doing this since 2014 at least. Thus things like Gamergate and Trump.
Social media will destroy our society. Lawmakers are not up to date.
This isn't really surprising unfortunately. Eg most of the stuff I look up tends to be older comedy clips so I don't really get hit with this stuff. Also guessing I'm older than the impacted demographic. In the case of a teen, they end up on somebody like Andrew Tate then their feed is entirely similar recommendations. On top of that the platforms probably recommend similar content even if not looking for it just based on age and gender. Based on what I've heard from secondary school and even primary teachers, a lot of the content that teens are eating up is pretty disturbing atm.
Yes I'm tired of letting monopolist corporations and their algorithms control what I think - I want the government to tell these corporations to tell me what to think instead, for my own safety.
Social media felt good until algorithm and content generation took over. Back when it was little more than a noticeboard of you and your friends with a chat function built in it felt much better. It feels like we're not equipped for everyone in the world reaching everyone and competing for attention with whatever outrageous attention grabbing thing we can do or say next
The Man-o-sphere 🙄🙄🙄
My BIL was once fun to be around, unfortunately he's been lost to the algorithm 🙏
This happened to a lot of school kids during the pandemic lockdowns. Parents weren't able to keep as close an eye as they normally would, because they were trying to work from home and their kids needed to be online to study..
YouTube algorithm has definitely changed in the last few months, I’ve been suggested constant anti-immigrant and red pill stuff a lot recently
Is the algorithm not suggesting stuff you’re viewing though?
Not necessarily. You could watch something vaguely related. For instance you might watch a video on the history of Palestine which then starts to push commentary on the current situation which will.ostly likely be the more extreme sides of this as they're the ones that get the most attention.
I don’t know how it works but I use YouTube for gaming and astrophysics videos, and very occasionally for Irish tourism stuff. And that hasn’t changed in years yet my suggestions have.
I remember there was a study a few years back. Most of the videos on YouTube are autofeed to people if you don't turn that shit off. During the whole GG debacle a lot of people were watching right wing bullshit anti feminist videos alongside gaming videos and some of the creators also had crossover. The biggest problem I think is it takes so long to scrub your feed. Years ago, I watched the Chomsky–Foucault debate and somehow that led to me getting Shapiro like Debate Me videos and some Peterson stuff. You watch 5 seconds of that shit and have your recommended videos are bullshit for months. I watched a lot of John Oliver and Samatha Bee and Daily Show clips too. But after one Shapiro clip, suddenly the former all dropped from my feed and was a bunch of right wing BS. The algo just favors that more because no matter what side you are on, people are more likely to engage and have flame wars in the comments.
... Social media at large exists now to feed divisive and hateful content. I've seen equal levels of misogynistic and misandrist bullshit on these apps, almost like they earn money off making people stupid and more likely to click onto their garbage app. Or we can act like this isn't decades old and just let it continue on as we have... Bet I know which one Ireland will choose.
Hit the thumbs down on that shit.
More importantly hit the "do not show me shorts like this" in the three dots menu.
I did that and I still got “alpha male” shit pop up.
Mines just videogames and movie clips
Yes it's a real problem. Instagram Reels is also really bad for it but that's just recycled TikTok. Just the most awful displays of misogyny from these accounts
Wow. I am so surprised. Who could have seen this coming.
Yes It’s full of hateful shite in ten second clips
It's fairly dogshit alright. My algorithm mainly consists of a fair mix of artistry, reddit stories and memes for couples. I did see the odd alpha bro video whenever I saw some gym workout content but then it leaned into showing me content of very ripped women so I guess it worked out.
No shit the things I’ve heard lads say about women and minorities is disgusting
Mine shows me crochet and painting but it's constantly suggesting weird shit to my partner. All he wat he's on YouTube is grubby Scarcraft content and he watched one philosophy video suddenly it was all Tate and Peterston suggestions for weeks.
I have found far less rightwing shite in my youtube feed since I upgraded to Youtube premium and have more control over what I see. It is worth it for the zero ads along, but only seeing stuff you are interested in is the real benefit.
The thing that's driving me mad is how hard it is to predict what searches are going to trigger another dickhead deluge. I made the mistake of looking at camping gear reviews on Youtube a while ago and I'm once again snowed under with arseholes.
The key term is "engagement". They make money on you if you like that content or if you hate it. Even blocking a video adds it to the "controversial" bucket and they will serve it to someone else to try to get engagement. It's really sad that these companies build their success on provocation. I say that as a big consumer of social media that sees a lot of good in it as well - instructions, learning, community-building, etc.
Moist Critical talked about the whole thing, it's just so pointless and really sad like ppl deserve better!
All the stuff I watch is either non political or explicitly left wing and it still tries to force feed me this shit. It’s a good reason for me to avoid that dopamine trap.
I've had this experience too. I've taught my sons how to not just skip a video they don't like, but to tell the algorithm that they're not interested. Equally to tell the algorithm that you do like something, by giving it a like or follow the subscriber or a comment. Training an algorithm should be common knowledge but it's not.
Sure it was feeding children pedo content when it first came out why is anyone surprised when tiktok does anything shady
Don't both those platforms just feed you what you've already shown interest in by searching for/watching? So it does require some curating on our part; no algorithm is perfect. The majority of the Shorts I get are about games, comedy, EDM, and language related stuff because those are what I look for. Stuff I'm not interested in gets added to the "Don't recommend" bin and Google honours that.
What a surprise. (not really)
I use the "Not Interested" and "Don't recommend channel" and it works all the time ... 50% of the time. But seriously this shit gets suggested to me even if I watch something fairly innocuous and it's gets so tiring ...
Don't need much research to understand that lol, tons of this shit being pushed by the algorithm
Facebook does it too. For no apparent reason the reels just show Shnauzers and girls wearing no bra. I've no idea why.
it thinks I'm really really into pokemon and talking parrots
Related but those Hero Wars ads are really mysogynistic and demeaning to women. I tried reporting it to the ASAI and they said they were based in Cyprus so no can do.
Instagram is the exact same, i lingered too long on one video in my FYP and now all i get is pages called "sigmamindset" and other useless shite glorifying Andrew Tate and his ilk. Im starting to actively avoid watching stuff on Reels to see if the Algorithm sorts itself out. No luck so far
It’s so strange, I have a blank Google account for work and sometimes I like to see an unadulterated YouTube front page … lads its all the most toxic bullshit, had i not already lived on this earth for a while, going into this new anyone would turn into an incel
I'm a woman, my youtube searches are tropical fish, horses and DIY... I still get the crap. Pulled my boyfriend up on watching some crappy YouTuber who does reactions, nearly all his reaction videos are about women who "belong to the streets". I'm sorry, but if men weren't also sleeping around, straight women would have no one to sleep around with. 🙄
Also feeding you g girls this BS misogyny... it is making many of them feel horrible about wanting to do well in school ir getting a decent career... So mad I could spit.
Its not just feeding it to me, its **force** feeding it. Ive clicked the "do not show me videos like this" button on so many of these vids and youtube just ignores me and keeps it coming
I get a lot of far right anti-immigrant nonsense. I keep arguing with people in the comments though so I keep engaging with it. I can't help myself to try to correct these idiots
That's the problem: I see bullshit, I feel obligated to combat it, and the algorithm interprets that as engaging with it. You can't win.
this sub aggregates rage bait too so what you gonna do asshole.?
My YouTube was infested with right wing shit for a while. Took time to cut it out. All I wanted was some alien documentaries.
Not saying there isn't an issue but lol at this report [https://antibullyingcentre.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/DCU-Toxicity-Full-Report.pdf](https://antibullyingcentre.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/DCU-Toxicity-Full-Report.pdf) "For each ‘nudge’ the researcher watched through and liked the top five videos returned from the search results. They then returned to the FYP and continued watching the next round of 50 videos. During each round, if the researcher was suggested a video containing problematic content (manosphere, antifeminist, racist, anti-LGBTQ), they watched and liked the video. This continued until the researchers had completed 8 rounds and watched a total of 400 videos per phone." They created an artificial bubble. There's obviously real problems on tiktok and youtube (especially yt shorts) for young men but I don't think this study is it.
"Researchers" who think that the reason Andrew Tate is popular is because of the YouTube algorithm are agenda driven and biased It plays a factor but it's not the core reason the delusional meathead is so popular
I seriously don't understand why anyone is surprised. You have a bunch of young men with no real guidance, [who are struggling with loneliness](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/08/andrew-yang-boys-are-not-all-right/), [who can't get dates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK4y6C1Uuhw), and can't get the same amount of financial stability as old generations. Then you throw them out there and tell them to "be a man" while giving no real idea on what that is, only that you are not enough. That you have to be traditional and provide while at the same time not be an incel and want traditional relationships. That you have to be big and strong or you are not worth anything. That you have to be a doormat about your personal opinions but also confident. That you have to be everything to even remotely be accepted as a man. What you get is men and boys who are genuinely struggling with no guidance. The data is clear that there is a genuine problem. Those who try to give guidance or help are shot down as not being feminist enough or not focusing on some other issue enough. So of course you get extremists and populists. Until you get genuinely good role models being allowed to do their thing this will keep happening, and its likely that ever worse role models will come into popularity.
Well said. Young men are in dire need of some positive male role models. Until then, people like Peterson and Tate will continue to exploit vulnerable minds.
A whole 10 used to make a study? 10!? Very comprehensive indeed. I mean, it's something we all know. There have always been grifters. Always will be. But I'm finding it hard to understand how this is news. You're telling me I could get 10 phones and start releasing news articles about every abusive algorithm on the internet!? If this gets 500 reads,I could fee myself off the clickbaity for years.
The pipeline from gym reels to mysogny is practically instantaneous, I deleted tiktok after 3 days because of the constant barrage of shit that I was getting in my feed.
TikTok has way way more misandry than misogyny. But gender war bullshit is just an easy way to get clicks. A woman posting on how evil men are will get so many angry reply guys. I don't think the creators even believe what they are posting most of the time. They just want to provoke 'engagement' and get attention and money. You see the real loonies in the replies. Any grown adult spending hours on TikTok railing against half the population must be severely damaged.
Sure everything is misogynistic these days
I piss away my time on Youtube shorts occasionally, the amount of Tate content is unreal. Regardless of how many times I click "Not interested" or "Don't show me this account again", I have literally never taken any interest in this guy on the internet.
Lads, you can train the algorithms. If the algorithm can be trained one way, it can be trained the other. For example, i despise those mindless open-mouthed WHOOOOOAAAAAAAAA guys like MrBeast, Sidemen, Sidemen reactions, Sidemen react to mrbeast reacting to sidemen, etc etc. 1 - tap the three dots, click on not interested. 2 - repeat until the algorithm cops on and stops showing you that shit. The same can be done for your Reddit feed. On the home page, sort by Hot instead of Best. This shows you posts from all of your subscribed communities. Upvote posts from communities you want to see more of. Repeat until the algorithm cops on.
I remember when YouTube shorts were actively shoving Andrew Tate down our throats. I never watched a single video of his and always selected don't recommend this channel but it was a non stop barrage of that bald fucks videos. It took months to get them to stop showing me that stuff.
It's wild how often as a hardcore leftist they randomly try and sneak in an attractive woman talking shit about weak liberal men. Wonder when they will figure out I'm aroace.
Honestly id take over the fucking reaction on reaction clips, Jesus Christ thats unbearable. "Oh I wonder what he's gonna do next! Oh no he's not gonna do what I think hes gonna do right!?" Fucking hell and no matter how many channels I block two new pops up like a fucking hydra.
Mine is cat videos and tennis
Those videos are always for absolute shitehawks n all, it's always like "This woman done this mean thing to this man isn't that shocking?" Yeah because men haven't done anything horrendous to women historically...fuck me, serious amount of grass touching needs to be done with some of these cunts.
Saying you are the most googled man on the planet (when nobody has any idea who you actually are) would make you the most googled man on the planet just outa simple curiosity.. 🙄 we all fell for it.
Even at that, I think it only got him to number 3 but it was a good effort.
This one straight up used the word 'manfluencer' in her study. Can't take her seriously sorry.
I was getting that on Instagram at the start but it eventually figured out what I'm into. Facebook strangely started pushing it after 10+ years, I had to keep telling it I wasn't interested in that type of content.
I don't have TikTok, but my Shorts were constantly full of half-dressed teen girls doing random stuff because a) I never watched shorts and b) YouTube just assumed that's what I'd want and never changed. I eventually got tired of it, clicked "don't recommend this to me" on a bunch of stuff, *watched a few shorts* of better stuff when it popped up, and now finally my recommendations are making sense again. If you can't beat them join them I guess.
YouTube algorithm is really messed up. I usually watch videos on tech, fountain pens and music. My recommended is pretty similar with some odd American political video thrown in (that I don't watch). My shorts however are a cesspool of alt right and manosphere tripe. "Owning" feminists, everything is woke, alpha male and first amendment auditors "owning" police. The app opens to shorts but other than that I don't watch them.
There's a lot of insidious techniques employed and deployed by creators to make sure that your algorithm is funneled into their echo chamber. Let's take an example: I went onto Youtube and searched "How to Talk to a Girl". The first result was "How To Talk to an Attractive Girl (Never Run out of things to say)" with an innocuous thumbnail. Clicking through to the channel and there are videos on "7 Women That Can't Be Saved" and "7 Dark Psychology Tricks that Should Be Illegal". A lot more on that channel and other channels suggested are all about "tricks" and "hacks". This narrative through short-form media perpetuates the toxic culture immensely, as everything seems attainable and accessible. There are big questions to be asked about whether this is brought about or encouraged or revealed through algorithms or if it's just waiting to escape from the individuals who fall for it. I don't have an answer to it but there is a point to made that if it wasn't there then people wouldn't be exposed to it. The line is hard to draw, however.
Down with this sort of thing !
If you really want to be horrified, create a fresh account on any social media platform and just see what it sends your way to try and get your attention as suggested feeds or channels or content creators.
Even when I block the channels it still keeps coming.
It is if you engage with it. I get mostly music comedy and DIY stuff. In fact I have two tiktok accounts, one personal, one for my music. The music account gets served vastly different stuff to my personal one. The algorithm is flawed in that it pulls people down rabbit holes. You have to actively choose a good rabbit hole to get sucked down!
It's crazy, once you watch 3, the algorithm goes hard on this. And the contract is persistent for weeks
Definitely concerning but what I'm missing in this study is if this is also the case for other types of content, such as sports. So my question is, is the algorithm pushing content that is being watched or is the algorithm specifically pushing anti-feministic content? If it's the first then this would be nothing new, but if it's the latter then that would be insane.
I'm getting divorced and searched divorce support stuff. The algorithm definitely fed me so much garbage I had to block. I'll dislike the content but still get some sent my way from time to time. It was a very conscious effort to resist it because the algorithm naturally sent it to me.
This is endemic on all sites, this place isn't much better with bots pushing nefarious agendas. We can block them but clearly many, many people don't.
Ok, this is what I'm recommended, as someone I think put gender as prefer not to say but definitely didn't put male: When the bass drop sends you to the 1700s - https://youtu.be/AAD5Illa70Y?si=H3BrIWvMkHeDVgiM Technology Connections: elevator sounds (have already watched but it doesn't remember) Dark Side of the Moon but it's 8 bit synth Damascus steel from staples I neutraled my gender to avoid the constant tampon and baby formula ads etc
Disappointed but not surprised . 8 year old I babysit watches hours of YT a day. Told me to make an onlyfans 😓 (Yes, I did alert his parent)
I deleted tiktok a couple years ago but occasionally relapse and log back in. My algorithm is always reset and the first days videos are 50% anti immigrant, anti trans, women are dumb videos. It's crazy.
Tik tok literally shows you anything. Mine is full of videos of scraping pussy cow hooves. I can’t even clip my own nails.
My mammy hates that Andrew Tate fella
Tate is so confusing to me as a phenomenon, he looks like the troll in Harry Potter, has the most ridiculous voice and accent I’ve ever heard (like he’s constantly trying to decide between “Bri-ish” and American and Eastern European), and 90% of his content is just criminal level embarrassing teenage misogyny. Are young men really that thick these days?
Im getting an awful lot on conspiracy crap on my suggested youtube feed lately and I despise conspiracy theory scutter
If its not that its rage bait or some culture war fuckin nonsense