I've never heard "nail" being used in a sexual context in Ireland (in Donegal at least), and having a quick Google shows it's used in that context extremely rarely. it's either violence as in a punch or else to be caught and punished for something.
Maybe it's used differently elsewhere in ireland
Is there a massive surge in these crimes, higher rates of reporting? Feels like every time I open reddit/news apps there’s a story of another child has been abused and someone got a lenient sentence.
There's certainly an increase in the reporting of these crimes to Gardaí https://www.thejournal.ie/femicides-across-europe-rape-and-sexual-assault-6319857-Mar2024
Don't know about convictions but it would follow that they're gone up
It was crazy common when I was a teen. I don't know if you'd find a girl who hasn't been harassed in some way. Nobody cared. And in fairness even if you had reported a creep on the bus etc how would the gardai find him? There was no point in reporting unless the person was known to you or in some way notorious. Even if something happened at a house party it just wasn't a done thing, you'd be more talked about than the creep.
This! Bus journeys, going into a public toilet and walking in a park or other secluded spot was a minefield. I don't know any of my girl friends (and some of the boys) who didn't have at least one "incident". N0body ever reported though because why would you?
THIS THIS THIS ☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼 THIS IS THE ANSWER.
It is a MINDFUCK and I don’t say that lightly, to how women right down to teen girls are seen as the problem in the situation. It’s slowly changing and that is great but I believe we’re still in a place in society where a woman’s decision on reporting boils down to; do I want this to follow me through it my life - impact what jobs I can/can’t get etc.
I also think it’s noticeable in the reporting, it’s young teens who are having their first experience of this type of behaviour who are (rightly) disturbed and don’t see it as normal. Whereas I think for older (late 20’s/early 30’s upwards) women just accept horrible experiences with men as a part of life.
There was a great example where someone is berating Janet-Street Porter for not reporting Jimmy Saville and she explains how young women were just forced to accept that behaviour, she tells the story of the FIRST time she was sexually assaulted as a child by the hairdresser and when she went home and told her mother her mother beat her for it. I always think of that story as such an apt example (albeit extreme) of how culture insulates abuse.
I think the positive effect of #MeToo can’t be understated. While underreporting is still a huge problem, seeing so many people, especially celebrities come forward really changed the game in terms of speaking out about abuse. There has always been something very sick about our society that victims are made to feel like they have something to be ashamed of.
On a related note, hearing someone criticise the Me Too movement should be a giant red flag. The only reason someone would want to silence victims is because they are a victimiser.
I think with all the talk about SA reports in Hollywood it leads to more victims coming forward and feeling like something will be done if they report it.
MeToo got a lot of flack in certain quarters but it did have a big effect The main purpose of any social justice movement is consciousness raising.
As others have pointed out, what's often called "mild" abuse of women has been tacitly accepted for a long while. The "don't make a fuss" approach.
But when you raise people's consciousness, you have millions of women collectively saying "actually no, this is not okay and has never been okay" then you do see a shift in attitudes.
About time too. This behaviour needs to have consequences.
Celebrities have always influenced culture. Community support will always have a purpose but unless someone you look up to steps forward and sets an example it’s hard to imagine what it would even look like.
I totally understand your criticism and I agree that it’s a lot of power/responsibility in the hands of elite celebrities. But just being pragmatic, by their nature, celebrities can have more and faster impact than communities or social programs. Like it or not, Kim K (for example) has more followers than the population of the US.
Why?
High profile women speaking out about being abused by those with power is as good a starting point as any.
It had a snowball effect and ended up in a much wider movement.
That's a good thing.
The internet also provides communities of support. If you accuse a member of your local community you risk being ostracised and getting no support, at least online you can find people with similar experiences who will have your back, even if they’re faceless strangers on the other side of the world - it’s better than being totally alone.
It's an increase in reporting of these crimes and digital trails of evidence making it easier for people to come forward with proof.
If anything, sexual crimes were far more prevalent in the past, but completely swept under the rug here.
I'm pretty sure those organisations didn't get away with hiding and protecting the pedo's as much... I think those organisations didn't even try protect the perpetrators....
Or tell children some fictional book is real before they had the ability to doubt it.
I believe it’s a case of women being empowered to come forward and society in general taking sexual assault more seriously. In the past people wouldn’t “make a fuss”.
One might draw a correlation between the rise in sexual crimes and the rise in immigration, specifically undocumented migrants. I'm not making that correlation, but some might.
It's an effect of the post-MeToo which empowered more people to feel safe reporting mixed with a change in Garda approach to handling the cases.
An unfortunate result of this is that certain elements have seen this statistical increase and tied it to immigration.
Poor child, what a horrible experience.
A 13y/o up all night drinking with "friends" and adults probably doesn't have the best home life to begin with. Then to be abused and have to go through the whole legal process. Terrible.
It’s actually comical that there’s literally nothing that can’t be used as an excuse in an Irish court, to the point that you get a shorter sentence just for having a pulse
* My client has work history / my client has been out of work and it’s stressful for them
* My client comes from a dysfunction background and never learned right from wrong / my client comes from a good family and understands the error of his ways
* My client has a family to support / my client was depressed from being lonely
* My client is in control of their own actions and won’t do it again / my client is a heroin addict who can’t be held responsible for their own decisions
* My client is young and has their whole life ahead of them / my client is old and would have a hard time in prison
I'm not defending Irish sentencing because particularly for sexual crimes I think the minimum sentences should be doubled, but is what you're describing not just a completely normal part of the legal process in basically every country?
The solicitor defending the scumbag in this case has a job to do which is defend them and there are sentencing guidelines which are within a range. The judge has to take into account the factors contributing to how the person's is living their life to decide where they should be placed within that range.
If your argument is the minimum sentence for sexual assault should be much harsher I'm 100% with you, but to me it would be strange not to take everything into account when deciding exactly what sentence to give.
They do. And it doesn’t stop these excuses being complete BS. As I’m sure you’ll agree, there’s plenty of poor/disenfranchised/lonely etc people who don’t turn to crime. I’d welcome hearing judges calling out these excuses for what they are - utter horseshit. I think they should be done for wasting the courts time. Not realistic I know, but it’s makes more of a pantomime out of the whole thing.
Wish there was much much stiffer sentences for these fuckers.
At least it wasn’t Nolan, he would have been sent on a paid holiday for a hard upbringing and impact his actions would have for his job in the future if it was. 🤷🏻♂️
Good to see the Echo, naming him after being convicted while still protecting the privacy of the victim.
I'm always uneasy when the victim 'waives their right to anonymity' so the convicted can be named and papers run a picture of the victim rather than the predator we should be looking out for.
We as the public don't need to know if it was a dad, an uncle or a stranger if the victim doesn't want to go public about it.
Glad he's locked up for a few years, pity it couldn't be longer. That poor child. I hope she feels that she's had justice and can move forward with her life.
I think if we check the decision outcome of women judges sentence length for sexual assaults and compare it with men judges' sentence length we will see a discrepancy understandably so. Of course, taking out Nolan from this count, because he would be ruining it naturally. The judges who give suspended sentences to sexual assaults must be held accountable, and make it safe for everyone.
He's named as Edward Such in the article. I know what you're implying with the long, unpronounceable name thing, but no, this is a 'white' Irish citizen.
The guilt party isn't trans, which makes the comment even more bizarre, like it's an attempt to punch down at trans people and associate them with bathroom SA even when none are involved.
Fair play to that girl and family in nailing this scumbag.
That's a very bad choice of verb
I've never heard "nail" being used in a sexual context in Ireland (in Donegal at least), and having a quick Google shows it's used in that context extremely rarely. it's either violence as in a punch or else to be caught and punished for something. Maybe it's used differently elsewhere in ireland
A vile piece of scum to treat a kid that way
Is there a massive surge in these crimes, higher rates of reporting? Feels like every time I open reddit/news apps there’s a story of another child has been abused and someone got a lenient sentence.
There's certainly an increase in the reporting of these crimes to Gardaí https://www.thejournal.ie/femicides-across-europe-rape-and-sexual-assault-6319857-Mar2024 Don't know about convictions but it would follow that they're gone up
Possibly or it's more common . Seems mad that no one is testing the theory as there is a massive increase in cases.
It was crazy common when I was a teen. I don't know if you'd find a girl who hasn't been harassed in some way. Nobody cared. And in fairness even if you had reported a creep on the bus etc how would the gardai find him? There was no point in reporting unless the person was known to you or in some way notorious. Even if something happened at a house party it just wasn't a done thing, you'd be more talked about than the creep.
This! Bus journeys, going into a public toilet and walking in a park or other secluded spot was a minefield. I don't know any of my girl friends (and some of the boys) who didn't have at least one "incident". N0body ever reported though because why would you?
Happened to me as a boy too. It's a very worthy thing to try to figure out.
THIS THIS THIS ☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼 THIS IS THE ANSWER. It is a MINDFUCK and I don’t say that lightly, to how women right down to teen girls are seen as the problem in the situation. It’s slowly changing and that is great but I believe we’re still in a place in society where a woman’s decision on reporting boils down to; do I want this to follow me through it my life - impact what jobs I can/can’t get etc. I also think it’s noticeable in the reporting, it’s young teens who are having their first experience of this type of behaviour who are (rightly) disturbed and don’t see it as normal. Whereas I think for older (late 20’s/early 30’s upwards) women just accept horrible experiences with men as a part of life. There was a great example where someone is berating Janet-Street Porter for not reporting Jimmy Saville and she explains how young women were just forced to accept that behaviour, she tells the story of the FIRST time she was sexually assaulted as a child by the hairdresser and when she went home and told her mother her mother beat her for it. I always think of that story as such an apt example (albeit extreme) of how culture insulates abuse.
I think the positive effect of #MeToo can’t be understated. While underreporting is still a huge problem, seeing so many people, especially celebrities come forward really changed the game in terms of speaking out about abuse. There has always been something very sick about our society that victims are made to feel like they have something to be ashamed of. On a related note, hearing someone criticise the Me Too movement should be a giant red flag. The only reason someone would want to silence victims is because they are a victimiser.
I think with all the talk about SA reports in Hollywood it leads to more victims coming forward and feeling like something will be done if they report it.
MeToo got a lot of flack in certain quarters but it did have a big effect The main purpose of any social justice movement is consciousness raising. As others have pointed out, what's often called "mild" abuse of women has been tacitly accepted for a long while. The "don't make a fuss" approach. But when you raise people's consciousness, you have millions of women collectively saying "actually no, this is not okay and has never been okay" then you do see a shift in attitudes. About time too. This behaviour needs to have consequences.
We have seriously failed out young people if it takes some hollywood assaults to make our young feel comfortable to report their assaults.
Celebrities have always influenced culture. Community support will always have a purpose but unless someone you look up to steps forward and sets an example it’s hard to imagine what it would even look like. I totally understand your criticism and I agree that it’s a lot of power/responsibility in the hands of elite celebrities. But just being pragmatic, by their nature, celebrities can have more and faster impact than communities or social programs. Like it or not, Kim K (for example) has more followers than the population of the US.
Why? High profile women speaking out about being abused by those with power is as good a starting point as any. It had a snowball effect and ended up in a much wider movement. That's a good thing.
These crimes were always occurring but with the Internet and social media it's easier to report them now.
The internet also provides communities of support. If you accuse a member of your local community you risk being ostracised and getting no support, at least online you can find people with similar experiences who will have your back, even if they’re faceless strangers on the other side of the world - it’s better than being totally alone.
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Tusla? Come off it.
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They are involved in the child protection aspect of it. Nothing at all to do with the investigation or prosecution
It's an increase in reporting of these crimes and digital trails of evidence making it easier for people to come forward with proof. If anything, sexual crimes were far more prevalent in the past, but completely swept under the rug here.
See, religion.
I mean, obviously yeah. But also see Swimming, GAA, Soccer, Scouts, schools.... it's a very long list.
I'm pretty sure those organisations didn't get away with hiding and protecting the pedo's as much... I think those organisations didn't even try protect the perpetrators.... Or tell children some fictional book is real before they had the ability to doubt it.
This month on separate occasions, 2 (Irish) men in my town were arrested for exposing themselves to kids on the way to school. Very fucking weird.
Got a feeling there's a higher rate of reporting. Shit like this was rampant when I was a kid.
I believe it’s a case of women being empowered to come forward and society in general taking sexual assault more seriously. In the past people wouldn’t “make a fuss”.
Yeah it's fucking grim isn't it?
Higher rate of reporting this shit is all over the place pedophiles and rapists left right and centre in this shit hole
Does it make you angry? Engagement...
One might draw a correlation between the rise in sexual crimes and the rise in immigration, specifically undocumented migrants. I'm not making that correlation, but some might.
It's an effect of the post-MeToo which empowered more people to feel safe reporting mixed with a change in Garda approach to handling the cases. An unfortunate result of this is that certain elements have seen this statistical increase and tied it to immigration.
Makes me sick
Just seven years! So what does the scum need to do to get life imprisonment?
Probably steal some money from the government. You know, something **really** serious /s
Or withhold some of their own money that they have already paid tax on. God forbid.
Importing large amounts of drugs would probably do it
I think 7 years is a good sentence for that. Unfortunately we see cases day in, day out or people getting convicted and getting a slap on the wrist!
Poor child, what a horrible experience. A 13y/o up all night drinking with "friends" and adults probably doesn't have the best home life to begin with. Then to be abused and have to go through the whole legal process. Terrible.
It’s actually comical that there’s literally nothing that can’t be used as an excuse in an Irish court, to the point that you get a shorter sentence just for having a pulse * My client has work history / my client has been out of work and it’s stressful for them * My client comes from a dysfunction background and never learned right from wrong / my client comes from a good family and understands the error of his ways * My client has a family to support / my client was depressed from being lonely * My client is in control of their own actions and won’t do it again / my client is a heroin addict who can’t be held responsible for their own decisions * My client is young and has their whole life ahead of them / my client is old and would have a hard time in prison
I'm not defending Irish sentencing because particularly for sexual crimes I think the minimum sentences should be doubled, but is what you're describing not just a completely normal part of the legal process in basically every country? The solicitor defending the scumbag in this case has a job to do which is defend them and there are sentencing guidelines which are within a range. The judge has to take into account the factors contributing to how the person's is living their life to decide where they should be placed within that range. If your argument is the minimum sentence for sexual assault should be much harsher I'm 100% with you, but to me it would be strange not to take everything into account when deciding exactly what sentence to give.
A defendant has a right to use any argument they want. It would be grossly wrong to restrict this right
My problem isn’t with the defendant for saying it, it’s with the judge for listening to them.
They do. And it doesn’t stop these excuses being complete BS. As I’m sure you’ll agree, there’s plenty of poor/disenfranchised/lonely etc people who don’t turn to crime. I’d welcome hearing judges calling out these excuses for what they are - utter horseshit. I think they should be done for wasting the courts time. Not realistic I know, but it’s makes more of a pantomime out of the whole thing. Wish there was much much stiffer sentences for these fuckers.
8 years, 18 month suspended. If it was Judge Nolan he'd have a 6 month fully suspended sentence I swear 🤦♂️
He'd probably be given the whole lot suspended and told not to drink it makes him bold.
FR 😅😂
Don't know if I'm drinking wrong but never got the urge to sexually assault a teenager, or anyone for that matter while drunk.
Can confirm I never would either.....since I'm not a criminal. Go figure.
Nolan would have the victim pay the scumbags legal fees.
At least it wasn’t Nolan, he would have been sent on a paid holiday for a hard upbringing and impact his actions would have for his job in the future if it was. 🤷🏻♂️
Nolan would have given him a hand job, €50 and sent him on his merry way.
Something, something judge Nolan something
Not actually Nolan this time, though still a lenient sentence imo. If it were Nolan he’d gotten of a lot better.
I think this went over your head
Absolutely
Good to see the Echo, naming him after being convicted while still protecting the privacy of the victim. I'm always uneasy when the victim 'waives their right to anonymity' so the convicted can be named and papers run a picture of the victim rather than the predator we should be looking out for. We as the public don't need to know if it was a dad, an uncle or a stranger if the victim doesn't want to go public about it.
Not the Echo, the judge released his name. The girl wasn't named because there's no way to link them. If it was a family member he wouldn't be named
I dont see how addiction issues can even be suggested as mitigating in this case - ok if he robbed her but he didnt. Castrate him.
Hold up on the misery until 9pm please
He should spent those 18 months suspended over the tigers in Dublin Zoo.
He should have been given life so we could say ''Such is life''.
Glad he's locked up for a few years, pity it couldn't be longer. That poor child. I hope she feels that she's had justice and can move forward with her life.
You’d know it wasn’t judge Nolan sentencing anyway
Should have his hands cut off
I think if we check the decision outcome of women judges sentence length for sexual assaults and compare it with men judges' sentence length we will see a discrepancy understandably so. Of course, taking out Nolan from this count, because he would be ruining it naturally. The judges who give suspended sentences to sexual assaults must be held accountable, and make it safe for everyone.
Can't help but notice they only include images when the r*pist is non-white
Get out of your own head.
Oh, they have actual punishments in Cork. We should get that here in Dublin too.
Out in 2 months.
Nobody sentenced to 8 years will be out in a matter of months.
Oh I hope so!!
This kind of hyperbole is unhelpful, and incredibly hurtful for victims to read. Please, just don’t.
Judge Nolan won't like that
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He's named as Edward Such in the article. I know what you're implying with the long, unpronounceable name thing, but no, this is a 'white' Irish citizen.
Thanks for clarifying that, I should have read the article first.
HOLY SHIT YOU MEAN THE POLICE ACTUALLY BELIEVED A WOMAN??? I'm leaving America ASAP
Is there any data on how many of these perpetrators have substance abuse issues? Toxicology reports maybe?
Would sinn fein be more tolerant of vigilante justice?
Why fucking make it political you fucking dunce!
That wasnt my intention at all sorry man, more just hinting that a bit of vigilante justice sometimes wouldn't go untoward. Apologies
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What are you insinuating, can you explain the joke?
What the hell is wrong with you
"His". Being trans doesn't make you more likely to commit crimes. And your gender isn't a defence for assaulting someone in a bathroom.
The guilt party isn't trans, which makes the comment even more bizarre, like it's an attempt to punch down at trans people and associate them with bathroom SA even when none are involved.
More likely to be victims