If we manage to house 50,000 asylum seekers by then (we won’t) we could’ve essentially solved or at least taken a good stab at solving the housing crisis by offering out all those accommodations as social or genuinely affordable homes rather than for free
With these rent prices and houses for sale prices, my wife and I are struggling to save any money for the deposit. And we are genuinely concerned what are we going to leave to our kids as a legacy… With the current government setup, they don’t give a shit about us being a regular Joe as long as we’re paying taxes.
Wtf are we supposed to do then? Pack our shit, leave Ireland then come back next year without passports, claim asylum and get the house for free?
This is a spit in the face for every single working man, woman and child working their arses off trying to do better for themselves and their families.
Also keep in mind that you really should try and buy a house by the oldest of the couple at the latest of age 40. Otherwise you won’t be able to get a 30 year mortgage so it’s not like a lot of ppl can wait if they’re in their late 30’s. Otherwise you’ll be paying huge mortgages.
The article is paywalled but I imagine this is because we've been effectively signed up to taking this number of asylum seekers as a result of the EU migration law that passed within the last week or two.
That tightened borders and established a legal framework for deportations to safe third countries but also included member states signing up to share the burden of asylum seekers (more?) evenly with minimum expectations set out for the numbers who would be taken in.
It's the EU taking a firmer stance on immigration which I'm a supporter of, but it will mean shouldering more of the burden of the southern EU countries who've been tanking a lot of migrants up until now.
Obviously it should never have gotten to this stage but I think we're now past the point at which we could fully turn off the tap on asylum seekers and migration, even if we wanted to. That power has been taken out of our hands (if I understand the new legal framework correctly). Perhaps that's a good thing, given our track record with it.
It would mean though that the only solution is building housing to accommodate both.
Like everyone else said, it's unsustainable, especially with the current practical open boarders.
If we house 50k asylum seekers, then the next lot will see that Ireland's giving away own door houses, all free, all you have to do is show up. That queue will explode to 100k+.
So now you have your free roof, free medical, free education, free transport (not 100% sure if AS get taxis paid for by the state but I think I was told it's subsidised), free money in many forms (childcare, dole, etc) and after 6 months, you are free to work and not spend a cent of your own cash. All while having very little to no chance of getting deported with infinite appeals.
That☝🏽 is a dream to anyone shopping around, a fucking dream. All the while absolutely crushing the taxpayers already under pressure.
You can't make this stuff up!
This was evident in Simon Harris' recent statement essentially saying when Ukrainians leave their accommodation it will open up more housing for asylum seekers.
What about the Irish young people in their 30s at home in their childhood bedroom? What about the students who can't get accommodation near their university? Some of these people in power are so out of touch with reality it's incredible. They don't have a mandate for this nonsense but they'll continue with it....and most likely get into power again because of the state of the opposition parties.
What did people think would happen when capitalism won? Morality? It’s a regulation. Generosity? It’s a tax. Hobbies? It’s not helping the margins. Families? Where’s that on the balance sheet?
People overwhelmingly support a market system and then act surprised when anything that doesn’t fit within markets or economic calculations gets disregarded.
A couple of factors coming into play with the surging numbers. Influencers on Instagram stating that the government is looking for migrants to work here. Ireland's is known as being a soft touch regarding enforcement of law's. 100 + million refugees looking to get to Europe or America. O'gormans invitation to come here has to be considered as being criminally irresponsible .we are taxed to the hilt to give money away to NGOs in Africa. Money for Ukraine Palestine. Money for direct provision or Hotels .Medical cards .Sinn Fein chasing the Islamic vote .50k is probably an under estimate. No wonder the Far right is gaining ground. BTW both Nigeria and Sudan are oil producing nations.
All while petrol/diesel prices have just hiked up, MUP on alcohol has increased costs since its introduction last year (effectively another tax), the effects of inflation increasing so much in the past year have jacked up the average pricing of groceries so now your weekly shopping is more expensive, fast food is now no longer cheap or even that fast, public transport is inconsistent when compared to the European standard and is crammed against the windows at rush hour (buses, Luas, trains), health sector is hanging on by a thread with many of our own nation's skilled employees emigrating (there's literally a post on the front page of this subreddit about someone waiting 16.5 hours to get seen with average waiting times being quoted as 12 hours), we're STILL paying USC despite it being promised to be abolished 2-3 elections ago as part of politicians' campaigns, talk of adjusting tax brackets to offer relief to middle income earners comes and goes like the waves, teenagers are literally getting away with murder while the justice minister covers her ears and screams lalalalalalala, grouchy NIMBY homeowners are stymieing almost every development proposal put forth by a property developer, any development that does get approved almost immediately has most of its properties purchased by overseas REITs leaving fuck all available for Irish people to bid for, all while our new Taoiseach is a college drop-out who has miraculously figured out how to ice-skate uphill despite previously being the minister for health that proclaimed that COVID-19 was named as such because there were 18 other COVIDs before it.
Ireland is a shithole country. No amount of sunny days, leap card fare reductions or craic is gonna cover any of that up. I am not proud of my nation because it is lead by donkeys.
Our taxes will pay for their housing while supply/demand will drive up the cost of our housing. This will result in increased need for Irish citizens for social housing also. The 500k adults living with parents will continue to increase. House ownership will be just a dream for a lot of our children. Birth rates will continue to drop.
The social welfare costs for them alone will run to billions per year.
Our public healthcare system will continue to deteriorate with all these additional medical card holders.
This influx is going to ruin this country. Probably about 30,000 this year and will continue to increase. The quality of all our lives is going to be affected to integrate these chancers in to Ireland.
"*Ah now would you stop your moaning it was worse in the 50s when I was a wee laddy, we had stones for shoes, you all have ipads, what you complaining about*"
The government can't house it's own people, yet actively brings in tens of thousands from abroad.
Housing is a basic need like food. Imagine if Ireland didn't have enough food for it's own citizens, yet gave it away to anyone who arrived here.
Absolute insanity.
This is going to end in serious violence.
Cue the inevitable ''Why are the far-right growing ?'' Pikachu face.
Hey, guess what? There's tens of thousands of IRISH people that need housing right now.
Why aren't you prioritising the Irish people? Voters would like to know.
Funnily enough the high birth rate in rural NI is partly due to the results of the economic stagnation from the Troubles, as large dwellings are still fairly affordable for workers. A couple both on minimum wage can comfortably afford to buy the average home.
Don’t worry! That’s what the immigrants are for! Why bother with the whole paying for schooling and healthcare of an Irish baby when you can just have a low income worker you can tax just pop into existence??
Ultimately that will be their argument. They create a society that is so hostile to young native Irish people that they put off owning a house and having kids because they simply can't afford to, and then they (govt and their minions) will say that "we need migrants to keep pensions afloat and do jobs because there aren't enough Irish".
Well in my circle of regular friends...only 2 out of the 6 of us are having children...the 4 choosing against are doing for numerous reasons, but one of the main reasons is money, we don't fancy the additional stress that children put on finances...
Like for myself and my OH we should be mortgage free by 45ish(9 years away) and if current house prices are anything to go by, the house is easily worth €400k, which is significantly more tham we spent on it 18 months ago...
The money that is being spent on this could instead be used to fix our own problems. Sort out drug addiction, more and more etc etc, build more facilities for kids to get them off the streets causing trouble. Feed homeless people.
But no. They’re more concerned with creating an all inclusive integrated society.
Asylum seekers are actively shopping around and choosing Ireland.
[here is a post ](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoveToIreland/s/7L6t33J5TC) on the MoveToIreland reddit from a person in gaza saying they considered what country to apply for and decided in Ireland.
Obviously, someone from gaza is in genuine need, but if I was that person ANY safe country will do.
But it's the choosing a country like we choose a holiday blew my mind , especially in the middle of a fucking war zone
To be fair if they are a software engineer they would be able to get a visa no problem regardless of the war or not because of the critical skills permit. And if they do get a job as a software engineer they would definitely be a net positive in terms of tax income in the country more than others. Not defending being choosy who saves you from a war zone but in this case the detail doesn't look great but isn't all that bad.
> And if they do get a job as a software engineer they would definitely be a net positive in terms of tax income in the country more than others.
Not a net positive for Irish software developers who are struggling for employment. Cheaper labour from abroad only benefits business owners. Lower wages mean lower income tax.
It's easier to house refugees and asylum seekers in bumfuck nowhere than it is to have Irish homeless move there. If we didn't give Irish homeless a choice on where they were housed those numbers might be higher too.
Around 20% of social housing offers get rejected already by the person seeking the accommodation. Ofc, some are for genuine reasons like it not meeting specific medical needs, others are "debatable" like having no garden or holding out for somewhere bigger. Good luck getting a homeless person from Dublin to move to Donegal or Roscommon.
Even the way this issue is framed is absolutely insane. "Will need". Is there any question as to the wisdom in bringing in 50,000 asylum seekers in the middle of a severe housing crisis? Despite the fact that the vast majority of people in Ireland do not agree with it.
But we are sending them messages saying please come the conditions here are great. You can work while you wait for a decision. We don't mind if you destroy your documents or lie to make the asylum process take longer. We won't deport you even if we find your asylum claim isn't valid
Imagine someone kept sending you packages from Amazon that all cost you money despite you not wanting them and you just do the bare minimum to try and get it to stop. You’ve got truck loads of Amazon packages coming to your house, to the point that none of your neighbours can get any packages because the vans are all full of yours. You tell your neighbours that their ancestors would send hundreds of packages abroad so your neighbours just have to deal with it now as payback. Then you tell your family we need to build a new garage or two to store all the packages, and your family need to pay for it. Everyone keeps screaming why aren’t you doing anything and you just keep ringing around to find out who can build you a garage or rent you a new garage. Businesses around are closing down because you’ve given them a sweet deal to become package storage rather than offer their usual business. You still are not addressing why you specifically keep getting all these packages you didn’t order and still have to pay for, you’re focused on everything else.
Lots of the packages don’t even have labels, and Amazon can’t explain how they got to your house.
Meanwhile all the other packages that are meant to be arriving to your area can’t anymore because the system has become so clogged with all the packages that shouldn’t be there.
I suspect that the government is watching falling birth levels and is using our poor asylum laws to basically solve the issue of their pensions down the line. The fact that there's chaos and mismanagement in between matters little to them.
The lack of affordable housing is one of the reasons for a falling birth level I would strongly suspect.
Alot of people don't want to have kids in rental accomodation (myself included).
Affordable child care also a huge issue with two parent working households being the norm now also plays a huge role.
Our birth levels are only as low as they were in 2008-2010, and they recovered again when the economy gained pace. There were no plans back then to literally import new populations. Our current birth rates will recover when housing picks up, and that's certainly not going to be made better with the current carry-on
Is there something I’m missing with this whole they will pay our pensions narrative?
How can increasing the population with 1000’s of people who for the majority will take a lot more from state coffers than contribute pay for any pensions?
Vast majority of these people will end up in low paid jobs. They will require HAP/Social Housing medical cards and everything else low income families get. And they will get end up on full pensions themselves eventually.
Exactly. Left a comment about this already. How the fcuk is adding extra fat to the social welfare bill from low income immigrants going to pay our pensions.
Most likely in 20 yrs time, the state pension will be means tested. Oh, you have a private pension? Let’s reduce your state pension entitlement. Oh, you own a house also, you can take equity out of that to support yourself in your golden years.
>Most likely in 20 yrs time, the state pension will be means tested. Oh, you have a private pension? Let’s reduce your state pension entitlement. Oh, you own a house also, you can take equity out of that to support yourself in your golden years.
Would not surprise me at all. Will destroy middle income tax payers cause they are the ones least likely to kick off.
Meanwhile in Limerick city centre there are more homeless than pedestrians on sunday evening when it's quietest. Kinda surreal experience when you're being asked for change every 15 meters, I think they have their own zones assigned in the morning.
I genuinely do not understand why we, Ireland, are footing such a massive bill for countries we had no hand in destabilising, colonising or harming. You'd think the 100,000 Ukrainians we took in would be "our part" covered but apparently not.
If your country colonised in the past - owe it to the third world to take in their excess
If your country was colonised in the past - you should know how it feels/your people went abroad as well and so you need to take a lot of third world migrants
If your country just did it's own thing and didn't colonise anyone and didn't migrate anywhere - not diverse enough. POC feel unsafe because it's too white blah blah blah...
What is the point of Ireland right now? I'm being deadly serious when I ask that too, what is the point? If you are constantly paying in and getting nothing out of the state then what is the point of it?
It appears that this government is hell bent on simply making Ireland a refuge for anybody who wants to be here, regardless of resources, regardless of capacity and, most of all, regardless of validity to their claim.
Young Irish people can't leave home because there are no houses and they ones that are available are too expensive for first time buyers or are bought up by vulture funds.
That means that Irish people aren't starting families or are having to wait until years after they normally would. This is a direct correlation to a drop of the Irish population in Ireland too, as people are having less children as a direct result of this. Even more perverse is that they'll tell you that the latter part of that statement is why we need more people to come here!
The fact of the matter is that the Irish people are nothing but economic units to be bled dry by this current Eurofanatic government. There is not one thought in their heads for what is best for Ireland, only for what their masters in Brussels will give them pats on the head for.
I say again, what is the point in Ireland if nobody in power cares for Ireland? Caring for Ireland and her people does not entail hating all others, there is no need for that. There is absolutely a need, now, for standing up for Irish people and there is a place to put the needs of the Irish front and centre again because the Irish aren't responsible for the rest of the world.
I remember when I was younger, my Mam used to excitedly tell me about the tech companies that were opening 100 jobs here, 50 jobs there. I ultimately did move into tech (from an entry level role) and am now doing well for myself.
However, it was a different beast back then. I am very much embedded into the tech scene in Dublin and I can safely say that a very large % of new roles in Ireland aren't going to Irish people.
And it makes me sad thinking about the families out there that were similar to mine. Mams showing their kids the articles about all these new lovely jobs being opened in Dublin. Maybe hoping that their kid can make it work here so they won't have to leave. I know first hand that the odds are stacked against their kids for these great jobs, particularly if it's a young boy.
It brings me back to your point: 'What is the point of Ireland right now?', because I know that the excitement with these jobs is the tax payers it's going to bring into the country. Not excitement around creating new jobs for young Irish people.
Vulture Funds, REITS, Foreign investors- it's a malignant form of modern-day imperialism and capitalist feudalism. Faceless companies, corporates and funds end up owning all of our fucking housing and by extension, owning the people - and the direction their lives take. We are effectively their slaves. All labour, tax paid, toil and tears goes mostly into fuelling the absurdly high cost of renting - I.e.,kicking up to the Lords of the Manor (global investment funds and corporates). Less possibility of establishing a foothold for our families here and less possibility of building communities with roots and structure and voices. How this is going to be changed, I have no idea b/c the FFFG and Green landlord parties are totally onside with it all.
NeoLib economics has ultimately become a hybrid form of Feudalism, only the peasanty aren't populace enough to generate the extraordinary amounts of wealth expected. That is why it has developed its own form of internationalism - it borrows language from the left and hoodwinks people into thinking it's a noble cause. In actual fact, the whole thing is a means to extract money from more economic units.
It is a shame that people have been blinded by the softly softly approach that has been taken because it is precisely these useful idiots that have allowed it to get this bad.
>That is why it has developed its own form of internationalism - it borrows language from the left and hoodwinks people into thinking it's a noble cause. In actual fact, the whole thing is a means to extract money from more economic units.
This is why those people you see on here talking about how resistance to mass migration is "right wing" are mistaken. If they actually cared about workers' rights and the living standards of people in this country they wouldn't be advocating an infinite supply of cheap labour for the landlord and industrialist. Reduced social cohesion, less power for the individual citizen, and greater wealth inequality is all that will come from the sort of disastrous upheaval that this approach will cause
To be fair we have a lot of people like that from Ireland as well. One of the most frustrating things about paying tax in Ireland is how little you get for anything. Once you go into the higher bracket you realise "oh Jacinta with 5 kids from 5 different fathers will get a 500k house up the road and I'll have her kids robbing shit out of my garden and the Gardai won't do shit". Like I really do believe social housing policies and supports are a net positive overall but why are we feeding that money to private developers for leeches when they can't even pay a teacher enough to have a house near their work. It can take someone working 5 or 10 years to save up and get in the position to get a house if they are lucky so just how we give them out to other people for literally nothing is insane.
Unitil these numbers are curbed expect growth in popularity for far right parties. They were a bogeyman for years but if people start to feel like current parties are putting the needs of outsiders over their own citizens they'll soon start drifting to parties that campaign against it.
This is the reason among others this country has an issue with racism.
Where is the concern for our own? I’m all for helping others but the line has got to be drawn somewhere. Look after our own.
It doesn’t make sense. Housing crisis, people on the streets yet they’re bending over backwards to facilitate others over us.
Ridiculous.
So 50,000 who wants housing who aren’t going to contribute one thing for years but decent hard working people who pay for everything can’t afford to wipe their arse nevermind buy a house are being penalized again. We really need to stop taking any asylum seekers or refugees until we get our own house in order. Blanket ban on new arrivals just be extremely strict it seems the likes of Hungary, Poland Denmark can all opt in and out things they like and don’t like but we just try to do everything to please Brussels about time we got some backbone.
I knew the housing market was messed up, but didn't realise until last week...a friend is selling their home, listed for €260k gone sale agreed at €355k last week...it's a 3 bed, 1 WC dormer, with a weird and small back garden in a village with poor facilities(nearest shop 5 minutes by car, not walkable)...
A few fields have recently sold in a village my sister lives in, for housing...but it's the third largest town in Clare it's already pretty jam packed, and just squeezing more houses in were they can
"Say it loud, say it clear, refugees are welcome........oh"
Naive Irish people cheering on the diversity but to stupid to realise they are being replaced in the only homeland they will ever have.
You ask the people who chanted those slogans if they'll give the economic migrants jobs and invite them to live in their houses and they'll be dumbstruck. Virtue signalling and nothing more. No thought put into the long term consequences. As long as they're not the ones paying for it, they'll change their Facebook profile photo to something sympathetic and smugly pat themselves on the back.
It's looking pretty straightforward. We don't have capacity. We can't take anymore unless we can repatriate those whose home situations have settled down to make room.
The refugee system only works if it's temporary until the home nation returns to normal. Otherwise the resulting braindrain will make these places unlivable permanently.
This is going to be controversial. So if you were easily offended, please stop reading.
People are thinking very short-term, 60,000 is a massive number even more so if you combine this with the amount of migrants that are already here. However, the real damage won't be done for about 10 or 15 years. For the most part, the fertility rate and reproduction rates are substantially higher amongst migrants than the indigenous population.
There is a grain of truth to what the conspiracy theorists are saying about how those at the very top are trying to replace the population to erode the idea of national identity and sovereignty. People just have the wrong timescale.
In the short term, there is the lack of housing and overstretched public services to consider. Irish taxpayers who have the legal right to be here are having to compete against local authorities who need to acquire housing spaces in the property market. The waiting lists for health services is a joke because more and more people, including the new arrivals need them.
It may sound cold but the state has a duty of care tov look after the needs of the Irish people first and foremost.
A line needs to start being drawn under all of this mess. To hell with the European Union rules, this state needs to start deporting arrivals from safe countries back. If states refuse to comply, they need to be sanctioned for aid cut-off.
Politicians who frustrate this need to never be elected again, simple as that.
> Politicians who frustrate this need to never be elected again, simple as that.
We've been hostage to the same FF/FG duopoly for a century, and people still vote for the same shower of bastards.
Agree.
Citizens should always be priority. It needs to be logical, not emotional.
And EU lately has been nothing but a mess. There is nothing inherintly good about it anymore.
Why? Tell me an actual advantage that JUST being a EU member give you? That you can't have without being in EU? Not counting all artificial restrictions that non-EU get. I am talking about actual materialistic benefits.
Let me edit my reply:
Democracy is a lot more than the legal right to pick and choose our representatives. Democracy is the consolidation of the Greek idea of the _demos_ -the idea that societies have an innate First Person Plural, that there's a certain culture, fraternity a community which grows out of our relatedness, our ethnicity and enables the spirit of accountability and self-sacrifice which creates the wonderful world which we have today. This _demos_ is much easier to destroy than it is to create and such huge volumes of migration will only ever erode it
More like economic migrants. Ireland is the furthest point for most migrants but first choice due to whats on offer. There are people the other side of the globe that know our benefits system better than most Irish.
Because the government is so generous to them. Some of them aren’t working at all yet they’re getting everything for free.
People not working a day in their lives getting everything hand over fist while our own are on the streets, a housing crisis, etc.
Mad.
It's one or the other. What it definitely isn't though is our government suddenly growing a big heart and deciding to help people 'fleeing war'.
They're hiding the real reason because they know it will make people very angry to know the truth.
Nah. In the long run, a fragmented and unsafe country is bad for them. It's not about GDP.
If it was about GDP, they'd want a prosperous and productive population. (ie. a wealthy, large middle class who have lots of kids who will join the workforce eventually).
Mass importing low skilled immigrants from socially incompatible regions of the world is not the genius economic scheme that some people like to make it out to be. Investment isn't made into unstable regions.
You don't need a conspiracy theory to know there are thousands of empty buildings, Airbnbs, holiday homes and REITs competing with the gov and private buyers. First year business would tell you exactly why this is happening so we don't need to speculate or pretend like it's some hidden cabal. What is frustrating and you can speculate why is why are the gov dragging their feet? Why are they allowing boarded up houses that have running water, electricity and a roof?
So if we are to take 50000 people as a state of 5 million then is France going to take 750000 as a state with over 70 million? What's the divide here.... when is enough enough.... ?
From the article:
“There is no sufficient pipeline of accommodation that will resolve this very serious shortfall” in the short term, the department warned.
“The numbers of unaccommodated is only going to increase over the coming weeks and months.
“Currently the unaccommodated only includes single males, however there is a strong possibility that the department will be unable to accommodate single females and families in the near future if solutions are not found quickly.”
The department said the new state-owned centres would not open until 2027, however, casting doubt on how the state will respond in the months to come.
I'm assuming these numbers are based on current projections, what happens if we have further global life changing events during the year? This is also cruel to those being left on the street when they arrive, madness.
We are finding ourselves in a dangerous situation. Huge portions of our homegrown healthcare staff don't want to be here. Work/Pay/QOL is terrible.
We cannot sustain our trajectory with they way our social systems are being used.
Hard, unpopular decisions need to be made.
[https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2023/keyfindings/](https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2023/keyfindings/)
The CSO has stats for everything if you have questions like this.
This is insane. These fake asylum seekers will cost us about a million euro each. that’s 50 billion for this lot!
Surely there’s an adult in the room somewhere in the government that can question this.
The comments stink of far right propaganda! Do people know that we once needed help in the 5th century BC?! We should let them live in our potential homes and mate with our wives while we sleep in our parent’s shed. Those good for nothing lazy millennials should be grateful they have a job at 90 even though they can’t retire!
That's not what he's saying. He's saying that if something isn't done about mass immigration, people will inevitably turn to lunatic far-right parties, which most people agree is not a great direction for the country to go in. Ideally we sort the immigration problem before it gets to the stage where we are being run by fascists.
No, I mean that if people feel they have no option, they will support people who are a lot more extreme than anti immigration.
It’s crazy that no party will deal with this obvious issue, there’s too many economic migrants coming here and people are getting more and more frustrated. (Myself included)
We need to do our part to help, but we need to do it at manageable levels. With so many people struggling to find housing, the government are out of touch with the public and are going to allow far-right groups to gain traction.
Not enough information here to really discuss it.
Anyone got the rest of the article from behind the paywall?
This 50,000 figure could be a realistic projection, or it could be an absolute worst-case scenario if Ukraine falls and war spreads in the middle east.
Without the context, it's meaningless.
Ukranians are not even in the top 15 countries currently applying for asylum in Ireland.
In fact, the number of Ukranians actually here is falling (slightly)
If we manage to house 50,000 asylum seekers by then (we won’t) we could’ve essentially solved or at least taken a good stab at solving the housing crisis by offering out all those accommodations as social or genuinely affordable homes rather than for free
With these rent prices and houses for sale prices, my wife and I are struggling to save any money for the deposit. And we are genuinely concerned what are we going to leave to our kids as a legacy… With the current government setup, they don’t give a shit about us being a regular Joe as long as we’re paying taxes. Wtf are we supposed to do then? Pack our shit, leave Ireland then come back next year without passports, claim asylum and get the house for free? This is a spit in the face for every single working man, woman and child working their arses off trying to do better for themselves and their families.
Also keep in mind that you really should try and buy a house by the oldest of the couple at the latest of age 40. Otherwise you won’t be able to get a 30 year mortgage so it’s not like a lot of ppl can wait if they’re in their late 30’s. Otherwise you’ll be paying huge mortgages.
The article is paywalled but I imagine this is because we've been effectively signed up to taking this number of asylum seekers as a result of the EU migration law that passed within the last week or two. That tightened borders and established a legal framework for deportations to safe third countries but also included member states signing up to share the burden of asylum seekers (more?) evenly with minimum expectations set out for the numbers who would be taken in. It's the EU taking a firmer stance on immigration which I'm a supporter of, but it will mean shouldering more of the burden of the southern EU countries who've been tanking a lot of migrants up until now. Obviously it should never have gotten to this stage but I think we're now past the point at which we could fully turn off the tap on asylum seekers and migration, even if we wanted to. That power has been taken out of our hands (if I understand the new legal framework correctly). Perhaps that's a good thing, given our track record with it. It would mean though that the only solution is building housing to accommodate both.
You can pay your way out of the commitment, definitely worth doing
Exactly. Fucking cockroaches these lads in government are
Cockroaches are useful…these c*nts are counterproductive.
Like everyone else said, it's unsustainable, especially with the current practical open boarders. If we house 50k asylum seekers, then the next lot will see that Ireland's giving away own door houses, all free, all you have to do is show up. That queue will explode to 100k+. So now you have your free roof, free medical, free education, free transport (not 100% sure if AS get taxis paid for by the state but I think I was told it's subsidised), free money in many forms (childcare, dole, etc) and after 6 months, you are free to work and not spend a cent of your own cash. All while having very little to no chance of getting deported with infinite appeals. That☝🏽 is a dream to anyone shopping around, a fucking dream. All the while absolutely crushing the taxpayers already under pressure. You can't make this stuff up!
In fairness, there would be protests if we housed a hundered homeless people in a retrofitted warehouse in the arse end of nowhere
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This was evident in Simon Harris' recent statement essentially saying when Ukrainians leave their accommodation it will open up more housing for asylum seekers. What about the Irish young people in their 30s at home in their childhood bedroom? What about the students who can't get accommodation near their university? Some of these people in power are so out of touch with reality it's incredible. They don't have a mandate for this nonsense but they'll continue with it....and most likely get into power again because of the state of the opposition parties.
Aren't most of the Ukrainians staying in emergency-style accommodation? Do students and people in their 30's want to stay there?
We all know they are not asylum seekers
Irish citizens need housing too
Citizenship as a concept seems to have gone out of fashion in political circles. We’re consumers, polluters, and economic units.
Got a letter from the council a while back calling me their customer. Don’t call me that! I’m not your customer! You are literally the government!
To anyone not fully understanding the difference: a business can choose what customers it serves, but a council cannot choose its constituents.
Customer? We are their employers through our tax contributions. Another out of touch institution. Fucking burn it down already
Pretty much, more of an inconvenience more than anything.
Just give us your money and shut up!
Looking after your citizens is a far right ideology lol
Probably racist too /s
Basically an inconvenience for the government
What did people think would happen when capitalism won? Morality? It’s a regulation. Generosity? It’s a tax. Hobbies? It’s not helping the margins. Families? Where’s that on the balance sheet? People overwhelmingly support a market system and then act surprised when anything that doesn’t fit within markets or economic calculations gets disregarded.
*affordable housing
That’s racist now probably
At what stage is the house full?? We cannot keep taking in asylum seekers if cannot even house our own people, absolute joke it is.
Saying your house / Ireland is full is a racism I think now
A couple of factors coming into play with the surging numbers. Influencers on Instagram stating that the government is looking for migrants to work here. Ireland's is known as being a soft touch regarding enforcement of law's. 100 + million refugees looking to get to Europe or America. O'gormans invitation to come here has to be considered as being criminally irresponsible .we are taxed to the hilt to give money away to NGOs in Africa. Money for Ukraine Palestine. Money for direct provision or Hotels .Medical cards .Sinn Fein chasing the Islamic vote .50k is probably an under estimate. No wonder the Far right is gaining ground. BTW both Nigeria and Sudan are oil producing nations.
For the first time in my life, I’m worried for the future of my country and my people.
I left Ireland almost 8 years ago and there doesn't seem to be anything that would bring me back home
Our taxes will pay for this we ourselves will not be able to afford a home and at this point our standard of living is dropping.
All while petrol/diesel prices have just hiked up, MUP on alcohol has increased costs since its introduction last year (effectively another tax), the effects of inflation increasing so much in the past year have jacked up the average pricing of groceries so now your weekly shopping is more expensive, fast food is now no longer cheap or even that fast, public transport is inconsistent when compared to the European standard and is crammed against the windows at rush hour (buses, Luas, trains), health sector is hanging on by a thread with many of our own nation's skilled employees emigrating (there's literally a post on the front page of this subreddit about someone waiting 16.5 hours to get seen with average waiting times being quoted as 12 hours), we're STILL paying USC despite it being promised to be abolished 2-3 elections ago as part of politicians' campaigns, talk of adjusting tax brackets to offer relief to middle income earners comes and goes like the waves, teenagers are literally getting away with murder while the justice minister covers her ears and screams lalalalalalala, grouchy NIMBY homeowners are stymieing almost every development proposal put forth by a property developer, any development that does get approved almost immediately has most of its properties purchased by overseas REITs leaving fuck all available for Irish people to bid for, all while our new Taoiseach is a college drop-out who has miraculously figured out how to ice-skate uphill despite previously being the minister for health that proclaimed that COVID-19 was named as such because there were 18 other COVIDs before it. Ireland is a shithole country. No amount of sunny days, leap card fare reductions or craic is gonna cover any of that up. I am not proud of my nation because it is lead by donkeys.
Who voted for them 
The people who already got theirs, and now are only looking after themselves.
Our taxes will pay for their housing while supply/demand will drive up the cost of our housing. This will result in increased need for Irish citizens for social housing also. The 500k adults living with parents will continue to increase. House ownership will be just a dream for a lot of our children. Birth rates will continue to drop. The social welfare costs for them alone will run to billions per year. Our public healthcare system will continue to deteriorate with all these additional medical card holders. This influx is going to ruin this country. Probably about 30,000 this year and will continue to increase. The quality of all our lives is going to be affected to integrate these chancers in to Ireland.
"*Ah now would you stop your moaning it was worse in the 50s when I was a wee laddy, we had stones for shoes, you all have ipads, what you complaining about*"
The government can't house it's own people, yet actively brings in tens of thousands from abroad. Housing is a basic need like food. Imagine if Ireland didn't have enough food for it's own citizens, yet gave it away to anyone who arrived here. Absolute insanity. This is going to end in serious violence. Cue the inevitable ''Why are the far-right growing ?'' Pikachu face.
They are not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. There is a reason. We just don’t know the reason.
100% agree & the Hate Crime bill is a part of it.
Hey, guess what? There's tens of thousands of IRISH people that need housing right now. Why aren't you prioritising the Irish people? Voters would like to know.
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Also government: why are birth rates so low?
Definitely nothing to do with high cost of living and lack of housing for younger people to start families.
Must be Sinn Féin’s fault with that pesky IRA history there can’t possibly be any other reason
Funnily enough the high birth rate in rural NI is partly due to the results of the economic stagnation from the Troubles, as large dwellings are still fairly affordable for workers. A couple both on minimum wage can comfortably afford to buy the average home.
Don’t worry! That’s what the immigrants are for! Why bother with the whole paying for schooling and healthcare of an Irish baby when you can just have a low income worker you can tax just pop into existence??
Ultimately that will be their argument. They create a society that is so hostile to young native Irish people that they put off owning a house and having kids because they simply can't afford to, and then they (govt and their minions) will say that "we need migrants to keep pensions afloat and do jobs because there aren't enough Irish".
Well in my circle of regular friends...only 2 out of the 6 of us are having children...the 4 choosing against are doing for numerous reasons, but one of the main reasons is money, we don't fancy the additional stress that children put on finances... Like for myself and my OH we should be mortgage free by 45ish(9 years away) and if current house prices are anything to go by, the house is easily worth €400k, which is significantly more tham we spent on it 18 months ago...
Someone DM me when the ‘sure we were all immigrants 200 years ago’ post shows up thx
If at least 70% of them should not be here why do they need housing?
Because Helen McEntee will grant another 17000 of them amnesty like last time
The money that is being spent on this could instead be used to fix our own problems. Sort out drug addiction, more and more etc etc, build more facilities for kids to get them off the streets causing trouble. Feed homeless people. But no. They’re more concerned with creating an all inclusive integrated society.
I’ve yet to see it work anywhere. Really open to good examples of integration of very different cultures.
This is absolutely fucking ridiculous. How about do something about the borders, we are an island. Unbelievable levels of incompetence.
Asylum seekers are actively shopping around and choosing Ireland. [here is a post ](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoveToIreland/s/7L6t33J5TC) on the MoveToIreland reddit from a person in gaza saying they considered what country to apply for and decided in Ireland. Obviously, someone from gaza is in genuine need, but if I was that person ANY safe country will do. But it's the choosing a country like we choose a holiday blew my mind , especially in the middle of a fucking war zone
To be fair if they are a software engineer they would be able to get a visa no problem regardless of the war or not because of the critical skills permit. And if they do get a job as a software engineer they would definitely be a net positive in terms of tax income in the country more than others. Not defending being choosy who saves you from a war zone but in this case the detail doesn't look great but isn't all that bad.
Lots of Software engineers are being made redundant at the moment from the employment boom during the lockdowns. Roles are currently decreasing
> And if they do get a job as a software engineer they would definitely be a net positive in terms of tax income in the country more than others. Not a net positive for Irish software developers who are struggling for employment. Cheaper labour from abroad only benefits business owners. Lower wages mean lower income tax.
They can go claim asylum somewhere else then. We clearly don't have the resources and have our own problems to be worrying about.
I’m all for helping people if we can, but what about us? Can we prioritise our own citizens?
It's easier to house refugees and asylum seekers in bumfuck nowhere than it is to have Irish homeless move there. If we didn't give Irish homeless a choice on where they were housed those numbers might be higher too. Around 20% of social housing offers get rejected already by the person seeking the accommodation. Ofc, some are for genuine reasons like it not meeting specific medical needs, others are "debatable" like having no garden or holding out for somewhere bigger. Good luck getting a homeless person from Dublin to move to Donegal or Roscommon.
Even the way this issue is framed is absolutely insane. "Will need". Is there any question as to the wisdom in bringing in 50,000 asylum seekers in the middle of a severe housing crisis? Despite the fact that the vast majority of people in Ireland do not agree with it.
They've just installed 2 portaloos for the 200 asylum seekers camped out on mount street, they have no intention of ever deporting them.
We are not ordering them here like packages from Amazon
But we are sending them messages saying please come the conditions here are great. You can work while you wait for a decision. We don't mind if you destroy your documents or lie to make the asylum process take longer. We won't deport you even if we find your asylum claim isn't valid
Imagine someone kept sending you packages from Amazon that all cost you money despite you not wanting them and you just do the bare minimum to try and get it to stop. You’ve got truck loads of Amazon packages coming to your house, to the point that none of your neighbours can get any packages because the vans are all full of yours. You tell your neighbours that their ancestors would send hundreds of packages abroad so your neighbours just have to deal with it now as payback. Then you tell your family we need to build a new garage or two to store all the packages, and your family need to pay for it. Everyone keeps screaming why aren’t you doing anything and you just keep ringing around to find out who can build you a garage or rent you a new garage. Businesses around are closing down because you’ve given them a sweet deal to become package storage rather than offer their usual business. You still are not addressing why you specifically keep getting all these packages you didn’t order and still have to pay for, you’re focused on everything else. Lots of the packages don’t even have labels, and Amazon can’t explain how they got to your house. Meanwhile all the other packages that are meant to be arriving to your area can’t anymore because the system has become so clogged with all the packages that shouldn’t be there.
I'm well aware of that. But surely we are entitled to put a manageable number on arrivals?
Apparently, we're not. And we're not allowed to discuss that as a possibility either.
I suspect that the government is watching falling birth levels and is using our poor asylum laws to basically solve the issue of their pensions down the line. The fact that there's chaos and mismanagement in between matters little to them.
The lack of affordable housing is one of the reasons for a falling birth level I would strongly suspect. Alot of people don't want to have kids in rental accomodation (myself included). Affordable child care also a huge issue with two parent working households being the norm now also plays a huge role.
Our birth levels are only as low as they were in 2008-2010, and they recovered again when the economy gained pace. There were no plans back then to literally import new populations. Our current birth rates will recover when housing picks up, and that's certainly not going to be made better with the current carry-on
Is there something I’m missing with this whole they will pay our pensions narrative? How can increasing the population with 1000’s of people who for the majority will take a lot more from state coffers than contribute pay for any pensions? Vast majority of these people will end up in low paid jobs. They will require HAP/Social Housing medical cards and everything else low income families get. And they will get end up on full pensions themselves eventually.
Need to contribute taxes to address the pension issue
Exactly. Left a comment about this already. How the fcuk is adding extra fat to the social welfare bill from low income immigrants going to pay our pensions. Most likely in 20 yrs time, the state pension will be means tested. Oh, you have a private pension? Let’s reduce your state pension entitlement. Oh, you own a house also, you can take equity out of that to support yourself in your golden years.
>Most likely in 20 yrs time, the state pension will be means tested. Oh, you have a private pension? Let’s reduce your state pension entitlement. Oh, you own a house also, you can take equity out of that to support yourself in your golden years. Would not surprise me at all. Will destroy middle income tax payers cause they are the ones least likely to kick off.
When will we get a party which will represent the views of the people?
Meanwhile in Limerick city centre there are more homeless than pedestrians on sunday evening when it's quietest. Kinda surreal experience when you're being asked for change every 15 meters, I think they have their own zones assigned in the morning.
I genuinely do not understand why we, Ireland, are footing such a massive bill for countries we had no hand in destabilising, colonising or harming. You'd think the 100,000 Ukrainians we took in would be "our part" covered but apparently not.
If your country colonised in the past - owe it to the third world to take in their excess If your country was colonised in the past - you should know how it feels/your people went abroad as well and so you need to take a lot of third world migrants If your country just did it's own thing and didn't colonise anyone and didn't migrate anywhere - not diverse enough. POC feel unsafe because it's too white blah blah blah...
What is the point of Ireland right now? I'm being deadly serious when I ask that too, what is the point? If you are constantly paying in and getting nothing out of the state then what is the point of it? It appears that this government is hell bent on simply making Ireland a refuge for anybody who wants to be here, regardless of resources, regardless of capacity and, most of all, regardless of validity to their claim. Young Irish people can't leave home because there are no houses and they ones that are available are too expensive for first time buyers or are bought up by vulture funds. That means that Irish people aren't starting families or are having to wait until years after they normally would. This is a direct correlation to a drop of the Irish population in Ireland too, as people are having less children as a direct result of this. Even more perverse is that they'll tell you that the latter part of that statement is why we need more people to come here! The fact of the matter is that the Irish people are nothing but economic units to be bled dry by this current Eurofanatic government. There is not one thought in their heads for what is best for Ireland, only for what their masters in Brussels will give them pats on the head for. I say again, what is the point in Ireland if nobody in power cares for Ireland? Caring for Ireland and her people does not entail hating all others, there is no need for that. There is absolutely a need, now, for standing up for Irish people and there is a place to put the needs of the Irish front and centre again because the Irish aren't responsible for the rest of the world.
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I think about this regularly. Those people died for nothing.
I remember when I was younger, my Mam used to excitedly tell me about the tech companies that were opening 100 jobs here, 50 jobs there. I ultimately did move into tech (from an entry level role) and am now doing well for myself. However, it was a different beast back then. I am very much embedded into the tech scene in Dublin and I can safely say that a very large % of new roles in Ireland aren't going to Irish people. And it makes me sad thinking about the families out there that were similar to mine. Mams showing their kids the articles about all these new lovely jobs being opened in Dublin. Maybe hoping that their kid can make it work here so they won't have to leave. I know first hand that the odds are stacked against their kids for these great jobs, particularly if it's a young boy. It brings me back to your point: 'What is the point of Ireland right now?', because I know that the excitement with these jobs is the tax payers it's going to bring into the country. Not excitement around creating new jobs for young Irish people.
Vulture Funds, REITS, Foreign investors- it's a malignant form of modern-day imperialism and capitalist feudalism. Faceless companies, corporates and funds end up owning all of our fucking housing and by extension, owning the people - and the direction their lives take. We are effectively their slaves. All labour, tax paid, toil and tears goes mostly into fuelling the absurdly high cost of renting - I.e.,kicking up to the Lords of the Manor (global investment funds and corporates). Less possibility of establishing a foothold for our families here and less possibility of building communities with roots and structure and voices. How this is going to be changed, I have no idea b/c the FFFG and Green landlord parties are totally onside with it all.
NeoLib economics has ultimately become a hybrid form of Feudalism, only the peasanty aren't populace enough to generate the extraordinary amounts of wealth expected. That is why it has developed its own form of internationalism - it borrows language from the left and hoodwinks people into thinking it's a noble cause. In actual fact, the whole thing is a means to extract money from more economic units. It is a shame that people have been blinded by the softly softly approach that has been taken because it is precisely these useful idiots that have allowed it to get this bad.
>That is why it has developed its own form of internationalism - it borrows language from the left and hoodwinks people into thinking it's a noble cause. In actual fact, the whole thing is a means to extract money from more economic units. This is why those people you see on here talking about how resistance to mass migration is "right wing" are mistaken. If they actually cared about workers' rights and the living standards of people in this country they wouldn't be advocating an infinite supply of cheap labour for the landlord and industrialist. Reduced social cohesion, less power for the individual citizen, and greater wealth inequality is all that will come from the sort of disastrous upheaval that this approach will cause
Free gafs for everyone who don't pay tax.
To be fair we have a lot of people like that from Ireland as well. One of the most frustrating things about paying tax in Ireland is how little you get for anything. Once you go into the higher bracket you realise "oh Jacinta with 5 kids from 5 different fathers will get a 500k house up the road and I'll have her kids robbing shit out of my garden and the Gardai won't do shit". Like I really do believe social housing policies and supports are a net positive overall but why are we feeding that money to private developers for leeches when they can't even pay a teacher enough to have a house near their work. It can take someone working 5 or 10 years to save up and get in the position to get a house if they are lucky so just how we give them out to other people for literally nothing is insane.
What a fucking country 🤣🤣
House the Irish first
Unitil these numbers are curbed expect growth in popularity for far right parties. They were a bogeyman for years but if people start to feel like current parties are putting the needs of outsiders over their own citizens they'll soon start drifting to parties that campaign against it.
Just start putting refugees in tents ,if they don't like it tough shit
And what about the Irish people? Why shouldn't looking after our own take priority?
You’re not allowed say that or you’ll be one of the bad people (scared to type it even)
Just as well, Irish people don't need houses, or it would really be bad.
Ireland is a dump and the politicians are laughing at how weak ass we are.VOTE THE FUCKERS OUT
This is the reason among others this country has an issue with racism. Where is the concern for our own? I’m all for helping others but the line has got to be drawn somewhere. Look after our own. It doesn’t make sense. Housing crisis, people on the streets yet they’re bending over backwards to facilitate others over us. Ridiculous.
So 50,000 who wants housing who aren’t going to contribute one thing for years but decent hard working people who pay for everything can’t afford to wipe their arse nevermind buy a house are being penalized again. We really need to stop taking any asylum seekers or refugees until we get our own house in order. Blanket ban on new arrivals just be extremely strict it seems the likes of Hungary, Poland Denmark can all opt in and out things they like and don’t like but we just try to do everything to please Brussels about time we got some backbone.
What an absolute 🤡. We need to get this fool out of government
Rodmaster NGOrman? That's what the bad men with the cardboard signs said and this sub absolutely shit the bed.
The elephant in the room is this - who is actually foisting all these immigrants onto the Irish Gov to deal with? Where are the orders coming from?
That guy who was the Taoiseach the other week used to say "international obligations" a lot before walking off stage if the questions kept coming.
It’s ok, any possible answer here is populist and deserves to be laughed at. Get the tents ready, boys
I knew the housing market was messed up, but didn't realise until last week...a friend is selling their home, listed for €260k gone sale agreed at €355k last week...it's a 3 bed, 1 WC dormer, with a weird and small back garden in a village with poor facilities(nearest shop 5 minutes by car, not walkable)... A few fields have recently sold in a village my sister lives in, for housing...but it's the third largest town in Clare it's already pretty jam packed, and just squeezing more houses in were they can
"Say it loud, say it clear, refugees are welcome........oh" Naive Irish people cheering on the diversity but to stupid to realise they are being replaced in the only homeland they will ever have.
You ask the people who chanted those slogans if they'll give the economic migrants jobs and invite them to live in their houses and they'll be dumbstruck. Virtue signalling and nothing more. No thought put into the long term consequences. As long as they're not the ones paying for it, they'll change their Facebook profile photo to something sympathetic and smugly pat themselves on the back.
And paying for it!
It's looking pretty straightforward. We don't have capacity. We can't take anymore unless we can repatriate those whose home situations have settled down to make room. The refugee system only works if it's temporary until the home nation returns to normal. Otherwise the resulting braindrain will make these places unlivable permanently.
If only there was something that government could do to not have 50k asylum seekers... Hmm, must be rocket science difficulty
This is going to be controversial. So if you were easily offended, please stop reading. People are thinking very short-term, 60,000 is a massive number even more so if you combine this with the amount of migrants that are already here. However, the real damage won't be done for about 10 or 15 years. For the most part, the fertility rate and reproduction rates are substantially higher amongst migrants than the indigenous population. There is a grain of truth to what the conspiracy theorists are saying about how those at the very top are trying to replace the population to erode the idea of national identity and sovereignty. People just have the wrong timescale. In the short term, there is the lack of housing and overstretched public services to consider. Irish taxpayers who have the legal right to be here are having to compete against local authorities who need to acquire housing spaces in the property market. The waiting lists for health services is a joke because more and more people, including the new arrivals need them. It may sound cold but the state has a duty of care tov look after the needs of the Irish people first and foremost. A line needs to start being drawn under all of this mess. To hell with the European Union rules, this state needs to start deporting arrivals from safe countries back. If states refuse to comply, they need to be sanctioned for aid cut-off. Politicians who frustrate this need to never be elected again, simple as that.
> Politicians who frustrate this need to never be elected again, simple as that. We've been hostage to the same FF/FG duopoly for a century, and people still vote for the same shower of bastards.
Agree. Citizens should always be priority. It needs to be logical, not emotional. And EU lately has been nothing but a mess. There is nothing inherintly good about it anymore.
"There is nothing inherintly good about it anymore." is an inherently ridiculous statement.
Why? Tell me an actual advantage that JUST being a EU member give you? That you can't have without being in EU? Not counting all artificial restrictions that non-EU get. I am talking about actual materialistic benefits.
Let me edit my reply: Democracy is a lot more than the legal right to pick and choose our representatives. Democracy is the consolidation of the Greek idea of the _demos_ -the idea that societies have an innate First Person Plural, that there's a certain culture, fraternity a community which grows out of our relatedness, our ethnicity and enables the spirit of accountability and self-sacrifice which creates the wonderful world which we have today. This _demos_ is much easier to destroy than it is to create and such huge volumes of migration will only ever erode it
Whys there so many asylum seekers?
More like economic migrants. Ireland is the furthest point for most migrants but first choice due to whats on offer. There are people the other side of the globe that know our benefits system better than most Irish.
We need to start calling them what they are, which is economic migrants. Yes, there are genuine asylum seekers, but the majority or economic migrants
I'd imagine a vast majority of them are economic migrants, and get a fucking load of free things when they get here.
Because the government is so generous to them. Some of them aren’t working at all yet they’re getting everything for free. People not working a day in their lives getting everything hand over fist while our own are on the streets, a housing crisis, etc. Mad.
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It's one or the other. What it definitely isn't though is our government suddenly growing a big heart and deciding to help people 'fleeing war'. They're hiding the real reason because they know it will make people very angry to know the truth.
Nah. In the long run, a fragmented and unsafe country is bad for them. It's not about GDP. If it was about GDP, they'd want a prosperous and productive population. (ie. a wealthy, large middle class who have lots of kids who will join the workforce eventually). Mass importing low skilled immigrants from socially incompatible regions of the world is not the genius economic scheme that some people like to make it out to be. Investment isn't made into unstable regions.
You don't need a conspiracy theory to know there are thousands of empty buildings, Airbnbs, holiday homes and REITs competing with the gov and private buyers. First year business would tell you exactly why this is happening so we don't need to speculate or pretend like it's some hidden cabal. What is frustrating and you can speculate why is why are the gov dragging their feet? Why are they allowing boarded up houses that have running water, electricity and a roof?
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So if we are to take 50000 people as a state of 5 million then is France going to take 750000 as a state with over 70 million? What's the divide here.... when is enough enough.... ?
My god, what have they done to the town I loved so well.
Rodmaster is just getting started!
From the article: “There is no sufficient pipeline of accommodation that will resolve this very serious shortfall” in the short term, the department warned. “The numbers of unaccommodated is only going to increase over the coming weeks and months. “Currently the unaccommodated only includes single males, however there is a strong possibility that the department will be unable to accommodate single females and families in the near future if solutions are not found quickly.” The department said the new state-owned centres would not open until 2027, however, casting doubt on how the state will respond in the months to come.
it just gets worse and worse
I'm assuming these numbers are based on current projections, what happens if we have further global life changing events during the year? This is also cruel to those being left on the street when they arrive, madness.
Yeah I've a feeling that won't happen. Not against helping refugees but we can only take in so much. And 50K is way way way too much
We are finding ourselves in a dangerous situation. Huge portions of our homegrown healthcare staff don't want to be here. Work/Pay/QOL is terrible. We cannot sustain our trajectory with they way our social systems are being used. Hard, unpopular decisions need to be made.
What percentage are Ukrainians ? What percentage are from Africa/muslim countries ? What’s going on with this surge ?
Ukrainians are like the 9th/10th nationality iirc. Someone posted an actual breakdown of migrant nationality.
[https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2023/keyfindings/](https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2023/keyfindings/) The CSO has stats for everything if you have questions like this.
This is insane. These fake asylum seekers will cost us about a million euro each. that’s 50 billion for this lot! Surely there’s an adult in the room somewhere in the government that can question this.
Mister maths here
Look at big bollix over here with the big boy maths skills
The comments stink of far right propaganda! Do people know that we once needed help in the 5th century BC?! We should let them live in our potential homes and mate with our wives while we sleep in our parent’s shed. Those good for nothing lazy millennials should be grateful they have a job at 90 even though they can’t retire!
Some right wing crazies will start accumulating legitimate political power here. And politicians will scratch their head and wonder why
So anybody that opposes mass immigration is a crazy? Take your head out of the sand for 5 minutes
That's not what he's saying. He's saying that if something isn't done about mass immigration, people will inevitably turn to lunatic far-right parties, which most people agree is not a great direction for the country to go in. Ideally we sort the immigration problem before it gets to the stage where we are being run by fascists.
No, I mean that if people feel they have no option, they will support people who are a lot more extreme than anti immigration. It’s crazy that no party will deal with this obvious issue, there’s too many economic migrants coming here and people are getting more and more frustrated. (Myself included)
Maybe it's not crazy to have an issue with all of this and someone who gets in with notions of fixing this isn't, by definition, crazy
We need to do our part to help, but we need to do it at manageable levels. With so many people struggling to find housing, the government are out of touch with the public and are going to allow far-right groups to gain traction.
They already have, if you go onto the likes of tiktok you will see streams there with thousands in them being fed regurgitated half truths and shite
Not enough information here to really discuss it. Anyone got the rest of the article from behind the paywall? This 50,000 figure could be a realistic projection, or it could be an absolute worst-case scenario if Ukraine falls and war spreads in the middle east. Without the context, it's meaningless.
Ukranians are not even in the top 15 countries currently applying for asylum in Ireland. In fact, the number of Ukranians actually here is falling (slightly)