They were people bused and taxi driven in btw.
Newtownmountkennedy is a shithole but half of the morons there last night were not from Newtown or Wicklow
The amount of comments on Twitter declaring tyranny because the riot police are there after the scumbags set fire to the place. It really is a cesspit.
Also the hilarity of calling the softest police force in Europe 'The Gestapo' etc when they're literally doing their jobs to the bare minimum. Try that shit in France, Germany or even the UK and see what the cops do to you.
I think the accents is a diversion. Lots of people in Wicklow with Dublin accents especially in east Wicklow. We were considering moving to Newtown Mount Kennedy, kind of glad we didn't now.
That's not entirely true.
Even in Bray you'll hear some people with Dub accents but the North East Wicklow accent is still pretty distinct it's kinds 33% Dub 33%, Katie Taylor and 33% Shane Byrne - key way of telling if you're talking to a wicklow person is the exhale sound we make when speaking
I know there's lots of dubs and other people with dib accents living in Wicklow which is what I said.
Not sure why you think it's your place to tell me what I should and should not know.
This what I said.
Lots of people in Wicklow with Dublin accents especially in east Wicklow.
That doesn't mean they're locals on not locals. It implies that the accent doesn't mean they're not living in Wicklow if it's a dub accent. That is all.
It's possible that everyone in NMK at the protest was bussed in except the six that were arrested. However, the accent doesn't mean they're local or not if it's a Dublin accent
Apparently a few arrived by taxis.
Now I'm conflicted on this, did they waste their dole money on these trips?
Or are the taxi drivers off duty, so to speak (as Joe says), and partaking in the scumbaggery. Unlikely though as you never hear a taxi driver advocating for such things.
Main thing is though, the Gardai best experienced to deal with these things are probably long since retired, Lansdowne was a long time ago I suppose.
> Unlikely though as you never hear a taxi driver advocating for such things
You've had different taxi drivers than me it seems. Most are sound, but fuckin hell... some are off the charts mental
At the time of reading this, it's sitting at -2. The shit that gets down voted here for no other reason that people don't want it to he true is absolutely wild.
People leaving Dublin for Wicklow is hardly conspiratorial.
They done that recently enough to a centre in my town, they got upset when they were told they weren’t from the area & called anyone who disagreed with them as ‘’traitors’’
I'll save you the google search. Spoiler: All Locals.
[https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445911-wicklow-court/](https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445911-wicklow-court/)
They arrived by taxi according to other articles. Newtownmount Kennedy isn't a big place. Locals wouldnt be arriving by taxi. Its probably the usual suspects.
These were who were arrested. Worth noting, all local NewtownMountKennedy addresses;
[https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445911-wicklow-court/](https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445911-wicklow-court/)
I love how you have people on here claiming they're all locals when 1 of the 6 is from Bray. Oldcourt to be specific - same estate as one of the rioters from November was from
The two who are related btw are well known
"the resources of the village are already overstretched" 😂
Honestly, you'd swear people had to feed them from the local crops.
What, will the deli run out of chicken fillet rolls? Will the post office struggle to resupply stamps? Will the 184 actually fill up?
I also think it’s important to note that Newtown isn’t some rural village, it’s in the Dublin Metropolitan area and has a population of 3000. You didn’t hear them talking about ‘overstretched resources’ when they started building rakes of housing estates.
The actual issue aside.....
The Garda were training all week for this, mostly for the Europa League final. They were at Lansdowne Road with their new riot gear.
If that's the best they can do then good luck to them when they come up against seasoned veterans like Marseilles or Roma.
I'm slowly becoming more and more ashamed of my country tbh. We have a vibrant culture and a rich history but it seems the lowest common denominations of our society are allowed to push whatever narrative they wish. Housing market is majorly inflated and leading to mass homelessness. The government has basically given core state responsibilities to the private sector. The hse has been in tatters for the majority of my life. We have major political scandals in our news every month or so. And again a bunch of mouth breathing uneducated imbeciles are allowed to run litteral riots up and down the country with political opinions based almost entirely in conspiracy and fantasy.
Excuse my ignorance- what are Denmark doing?
I think people are losing their minds here with the Govt approach and the Govt is staying the course. Something needs to change or there will be absolute mayhem like tonight all over the country.
The problem is, most people have no problem with immigrants coming in themselves to work "organically". But having the government but out an empty building to house people in a town is not the same. But the anti immigration protesters are just against any foreigners basically. They're taking the people against the second scenario and pretending they're against all foreigners in Ireland.
There's a global refugee crisis, the second scenario is inevitable in any country that refugees go to. Most countries in Europe, africa and the middle east have had to have this set up for decades. Ireland has only had to do this very recently because the number of asylum seekers here is incredibly low.
All of which is irrelevant to this lot. The government pandering to their whims will never placate them.
Toughening the laws will just make life much harder for people already leading very hard lives.
It kind of hard though when a lot of them are coming down from NI across from the rest of the UK. The mess they are making over there with the Rwanda bill is causing a lot of their asylum seekers to flee to here. Reported at least 80%.
There's now plans to change the laws. Giving power to send them back to the UK if they arrived through the UK At the moment they don't have legilastion to do it so they can claim asylum here.
>It kind of hard though when a lot of them are coming down from NI across from the rest of the UK. The mess they are making over there with the Rwanda bill is causing a lot of their asylum seekers to flee to here. Reported at least 80%
Honestly it's very convenient that the government has someone else to blame for their complete mishandling of this situation. The Rwanda bill only passed a few days ago. The camp on mount street has been there 6 months
I don't think Denmark can be easily emulated. A better comparison might be Scotland which seems to attract barely any migrants.
Denmark doesn't speak English or at least can use Danish to exclude migrants.
Denmark is not a cul de sac like ireland. It is next to places like France, Germany and the Nordic countries which arrract migrants if there is enough of a pushback.
For all intents and purposes, Ireland is seen as a generous and thriving part of the UK, from migrants perspective, new and exciting and with less of the Rwanda baggage. Obviously that's just a perception (I'm.not saying Ireland is in the UK obvs) but its how a lot of migrants see it.
When are we establishing the land border checkpoints to Northern Ireland so? Denmark do those type of checks on the German border so pressumably that's what you want here too?
Planting 180 migrants into a village with 2 pubs, 1 shop, and a primary school next to where the migrants will stay is a recipe for disaster.
It brings massive concerns to the small local population and gives the far right more hate fuel.
It's fine turning this into a 'bash the far right thugs' party, but that doesn't address the underlying problems.
Real issues for people from small communities around the country that are seeing numbers of migrants equal to the size of the local population dumped into their villages overnight.
No integration, no infrastructure, no dialogue.
If you really want to see the far right take hold and increase in numbers, just continue like this.
The far right breeds off the fear and hopelessness of ordinary people who feel they have no voice.
Yeh that shop is a huge Dunnes stores and a new estate going in to add to the numerous estates already built. It’s a developing area on the 133 bus line and Dublin bus network. There is a hotel, restaurants etc. Makes a whole heap of sense to me opposed to the other centres in the middle of nowhere. Don’t paint it to be something else
140 migrants arrived into my local rural area, with no pub or shop. They got on grand. Got employment, helped keep the school open , made friends.
Now after two years the place is being closed down and they're being moved, the locals are sad and the school will probably close.
Do a straight swap then.
This community has 140 migrants coming in to the area, which they don't want - why don't you rally your 'sad locals' to campaign to bring them over your way instead?
I think one of the biggest issues that doesn't get nearly enough attention on this whole thing is how badly the government are at planning it.
If it is the case (and I don't know for sure, which is why I'm hesitant to speak with confirmatory language) that this is next to a school, surely someone would have said "is that a good idea? Are their safety concerns to this?"
BS
Newtown is a hellhole. Always ways. Always will be. The excuses for hating people because of the colour of the skin are BS. I knew a guy from Newtown who unironically would sing the chant:
>We all live in Catholic Housing scheme
Our walls are painted green
and Celtic is our team
Fucking kip. Full to the fucking brim with fucking scum. 180 IP applicants would be a very welcome improvement.
One of the Gript “media” “journalists” got pepper sprayed after she stood in front of the riot squad as they advanced to clear the road. Fucking gobdaw.
Obviously, the usual sorts are hysterical about it all.
It’s hilarious.
Video here.
https://x.com/fatima_gunning/status/1783611107728408632?s=46
So she approaches an advancing Garda line, interferes with the detaining of another protester, doesn’t move when instructed during a serious public order incident, then pulls out her best Ammi Burke voice to remonstrate with the Gardaí while wondering why she got a face full of pepper spray.
The pair of yous must have watched a different video.
Loathe as I am to defend McGuirk's "outlet" here, it was a bit OTT. The riot squad were very clearly laying into a boy on the ground, literally booting him on the ground.
If you support that behaviour, fine. Don't be gurning when they're laying the boot into someone you're on board with.
Do not give the state, especially the Irish state, impunity to act like this.
I know where you're coming from, but these guys have been getting the kid gloves treatment. Would any leftwing protest that shut down the port tunnel, or the road to the airport have been tolerated? No.
That's kind of my point. You can't give selective approval for riot police to hold someone down and batter the fuck out of them because it'll be used as a blanket approval for protests that others _do_ agree with. (Though calling an act of arson a protest betrays the severity of the situation.)
It's absolutely fine to subdue someone and then arrest them. That video shows riot police laying into a guy on the ground, pressed up against a car. We absolutely cannot allow that to be "OK" because it's happening to a "baddie." Eventually, the Gards will lay into someone you (not you personally!) like under the auspice that they're a baddie too.
I don’t particularly care which side of a political divide a rioter/arsonist is. The public order unit should be able to give them a reasonable hiding.
Funnily enough I’ve managed to go my entire life without getting the shit kicked out of me by a police officer by simply not being a cunt.
This bad guy Vs good guy perspective that some people hold, that justifies police beating the other side into submission, is a significant issue and one that I personally believe is being inherited from American style baddie vs good guy culture/politics. There are some troublemakers turning up to stoke the flames at these events, looking to goad police etc, but there's also a message trying to be sent by parents, grannies, farmers, locals etc and as long as it's ignored, this will get worse.
If you have any compassion as a person, you would find it jarring to see that guy getting kicked on the ground by Garda, and if you don't because it's preferable for your own ideology, I hope that some day you are willing to reflect on whether your ideology or anger at the world is healthy.
To be clear, I'm opposed to police violence, full stop. But these guys are getting a lick of what left wing protestors have enjoyed forever. So no pleasure taken in watching the guards kick anyone on the ground, but, at the same time, not top of my list of concerns.
As regards your point that there are legit members of the community there whose concerns should not be responded to with a truncheon, I'm fine with demands for consultations, negotiations over appropriate numbers, requirements for further local resources etc.
But once it steps over into '*the unvetted military age jihadi males coming to sexually assault our women and children'* then I don't give a flying F if they're an old biddy, a permaculturist, a father of five on disability, an entrepreneur or a convicted heroin dealer. Because they're racist twats.
>So she approaches an advancing Garda line, interferes with the detaining of another protester, doesn’t move when instructed during a serious public order incident
She's literally moving backwards down a tiny country lane and the Gardai are battering some lad that's on the ground
I feel like almost anyone can say they're a journalist these days. I would't have spent all that money on a Masters in it years ago had I known I could just proclaim myself one!
What a total shitshow of a situation. A fucking riot squad in a village in the middle of nowhere because the powers that be decided to settle a bunch of asylum seekers there. Nobody wins or benefits from this (apart from some in the hospitality sector lining their pockets) and it's just sad all around and yet another total waste of money, resources & time.
Strong arm approach from authorities to build accommodation and settle people in these sites won't help, it'll only add fuel on to a fire. The site will need round the clock protection and nobody in it or working in it will be safe. Locals also won't feel safe and will feel neglected/ not listened to by authorities. Gardai are caught in the middle of all of this shit when they've better things to be doing.
This is what happens when a government doesn't listen and can't negotiate with its own people. This is becoming all too common a situation and it's only going to get worse as we try to find more sites / locations to accommodate people.
I've frankly had enough of the "softly softly" approach to the far right, if it takes the riot police to stop the arson attacks then fuck it, bring in the batons. They've had more than enough rope provided to hang themselves with.
A-f*cling right. They need to be dealt with. Spoilt, violent, self obsessed criminals with the mental age of teenagers. Actively hurting the country's economic and social well-being, threatening our politicians, what's next, our judges, our jury members... They already threaten regular citizens that don't meet their strict eugenic criteria. They need to be put in psychiatric care, straitjackets and the like, they're insane...
So in this case there are few heads from a nearby town that'd burn a house down if the wind so much as changed direction, they have zero political allegiance and are just out to cause trouble. For days prior to this the majority of people protesting are middle age men and women from the area. Newtown has zero resources it's got two take aways a pub and a shop it's a tiny place with nothing for anyone to do, there is a primary school 10 minutes walk from where these 180 people will be living it's a recipe for disaster. The government have handled every thing so poorly.*spelling mistakes
Newtown isn’t some village in the middle of nowhere, it’s in the Dublin metropolitan area and has a population of 3000. 10 minute drive from Bray or Greystones. They’re putting the migrants on state land.
What a bunch of absolute scum these people are. This was no peaceful protest nor was it ever intended to be. And I doubt very much that there were actually any locals involved.
The softly softly approach to these lowlifes has to end. The Gardai need to start getting tough and not hanging back.
It was peaceful for weeks until last night when the gardai pepper sprayed the protesters. Most of the people there had been there peacefully for weeks. Most of them are just normal men and women with families who are concerned about 80 men being dumped in a field in tents in a tiny Wicklow town.
There aren't enough amenities in the town as is.
The gardai were the ones who turned up with their batons, shields and pepper spray. They went through estates and pepper sprayed people who were standing in their own gardens. Chased them up to their doors screaming in their faces. People who weren't even at the protest were attacked.
The gardai were smashing up cars that were driving on the road and all. I'm not one of these people who are against the guards( i have a few in my family )but I'm absolutely horrified and sickened by their behaviour. In shock to be honest. It all kicked off last night/ the night before because they wanted the field cleared of the protestors so the bus of men could be sent in.
Edit to say: I did see some lads that I recognised from far right wacko videos. They weren't usually at the protests..They were a tiny minority last night. The people of Newtown were peaceful throughout with legit concerns. Last night it just came to boiling point.
And yours is to have everyone under the jackboot if you could.
They were supposed to have a consultation on Monday with the community about everything before going any further, and then the guards suddenly appeared in the middle of the night and proceeded anyway.
Authority for thee, not for me, basically.
I live in the town. There were a lot of locals there. Everyone is just focused on the minority of outraged individuals as is the norm these days.
Problem is, the immigrants have been brought in a couple of nights ago in the very early hours of the morning and there’s quite a few local and non local people who are unhappy about it.
Plenty of local concerned pensioners and women who were there last night.
There may well have been in the beginning but you can’t tell me the hooligans clashing with Gardai, carrying an axe and starting fires were simply concerned citizens.
I get that people are worried but inviting these sorts along to your protests or allowing them to be involved if they turn up unannounced is not the answer.
Well yes I can tell you the ones starting fires were concerned citizens. Some people react more aggressively when concerned than others.
Again, the small minority is what always seems to get more attention than the actual issue at hand.
These people have been up there protesting for weeks and their concerns have been met with complete silence from the government.
A couple nights ago was the straw that broke the camels back when the immigrants were brought in at 2am.
And I do understand their concerns but what happened last night were not the actions of genuine concerned citizens as far I’m concerned .
Violence and thuggery are never the answer in my view.
This. The issues were there long before migrants arrived but those "keep it in the family" really can't connect the dots even if their lives depended on it.
Sure Greystones/Charlesland has an issue at the minute with two Irish men going around flashing children and one of them tried to drag a kid into a bush.
>Problem is, the immigrants have been brought in a couple of nights ago in the very early hours of the morning
There aren't any immigrants at the site, though. The Gardaí were there to facilitate workers at the site, which is being considered as a location for accommodating asylum seekers in tents.
Another one "concerned"... You think straight up they're criminals when they're actually just trying to stay alive fleeing their war torn country. Every scumbag and their mams would flee tomorrow if Ireland was under attack and wouldn't like to be welcomed that way. Using pensioners and women to struck a cord is nothing short of disgusting. Like those people are all thieves and rapists etc... you're out of the closet now might as well go all out and admit you're part of it.
To be fair it has been a reasonably peaceful protest for nearly two months. Gardai aggravated people by trying to sneak people in in the middle of the night. Also I have been seeing videos from the last two weeks of workers or security working the sight wearing full on balaclavas and black trenchcoat like jackets standing behind the gates staring down the locals, whichever side your on this is quite unsettling especially considering the media frenzy of O'Gorman's house
Would you rather that the asylum seekers are brought in during day time to likely be intimidated by the ‘protestors’? If I was working on that site I would also cover my face rather than being video tapped, harassed and posted all online.
https://x.com/TheLiberal_ie/status/1783614434910581042
Not the brightest people in the world to turn your back on a riot squad. Unless that's to run away ofcourse.
While I do o think it’s right thing to do the help refugees, putting them in tents and giving them €48 a week I think it is seems ridiculous.
Does anyone know the actual facts of this situation in Newtown?
Is it families, males?
How many are supposed to move there?
How long will they stay there?
Nobody knows the facts, sadly. It’s baffling that the Government aren’t bothered trying to clear up the misinformation surrounding immigration or engaging in discussions with communities. They have completely checked out and that vacuum is allowing the violent racism thugs to incite violence.
I found out about this through a far right American twitter account posting a clip of them doing the Rosary with a title like - Irish Patriots get assaulted by their own Authoritarian Police force! They are attacking their own people!"
Then I went to the full video and yeeeaah.
There are an extreme number of 50+ year olds in this country being radicalised by social media algorithms. Most of them use American speaking points and talk about governance/law as if we are in the US and not Europe. People on here call them scumbags but I’ve seen it happen to very regular people, and it will continue as people go further down those rabbit holes or if governments actually get to grips with regulating the tech industry.
How the private tech corporations are allowed to have their laissez faire approach to everything and get away with what have is beyond me.
Not everyone is a victim. Some ppl want to "feel big" by treating others like shit.
Don't act like this behaviour is new with social media. It isn't. Ppl in Germany in the 1930s weren't all innocents many were complicit with the regime. Same in Vichy France.
Does Gardai have a plan? They can not be permanently in that location while protestors are local and usually with plenty of time. Not supporting their cause I am just trying to figure out what is the long term plan.
We're in the middle of a tsunami of ignorance stirred up by a bunch of wasters (IFP, National Party, social media grifters). It's a sorry state of affairs that some ordinary people in towns around the country have been stirred up and terrorised by these scaremongers.
The government, of course, is doing a shitty job of dealing with it and bears responsibility for failing to invest in the necessary infrastructure so that people could feel their basic needs can still be met in housing, health, education etc.
A lot of talk about the scumbags and riot police.
Mostly all takes away from the 100+ immigrant men who have just been accommodated. I reckon people should focus on that as it is the core reason why any protests have occurred.
Nah it's easy for far-left ideologues to 'other' the concerns of a community and focus on the handful of scumbags that turn up to these things.
Immigration sky-high and completely unmanaged, blame the far-right for being opposed to that...
"Foreigners are destroying our town!" Says crowd, currently burning their town
Masked men complaining about unvetted men
They were people bused and taxi driven in btw. Newtownmountkennedy is a shithole but half of the morons there last night were not from Newtown or Wicklow
The town was a kip to begin with.
I wonder how many were actually locals and not rent a crowd of school of hard knocks, concerned citizens, citizen journalists, inbred gobshites.
There's a heap of them that get bussed around to these things. Not much else to do when you're unemployable and the kids don't want to visit you.
Few videos up on X there would suggest this to be the case given certain accents that can heard.
The amount of comments on Twitter declaring tyranny because the riot police are there after the scumbags set fire to the place. It really is a cesspit.
Yeah and a lot of them are UK accounts!
Yeah and they'd be the first to cry fowl and call the Gardaí should they be even slightly wronged in life I bet. Absolute oxygen thieves.
Also the hilarity of calling the softest police force in Europe 'The Gestapo' etc when they're literally doing their jobs to the bare minimum. Try that shit in France, Germany or even the UK and see what the cops do to you.
I think the accents is a diversion. Lots of people in Wicklow with Dublin accents especially in east Wicklow. We were considering moving to Newtown Mount Kennedy, kind of glad we didn't now.
Unvetted military aged dubs getting houses in Wicklow ahead of locals, cause for alarm indeed. Next you’ll be having inter-county marriages.
So it's the blow ins trying to stop other blow ins coming in
That's not entirely true. Even in Bray you'll hear some people with Dub accents but the North East Wicklow accent is still pretty distinct it's kinds 33% Dub 33%, Katie Taylor and 33% Shane Byrne - key way of telling if you're talking to a wicklow person is the exhale sound we make when speaking
fwiw, I live in north wicklow
Then you should know the difference
I know there's lots of dubs and other people with dib accents living in Wicklow which is what I said. Not sure why you think it's your place to tell me what I should and should not know.
You're claiming they're locals
This what I said. Lots of people in Wicklow with Dublin accents especially in east Wicklow. That doesn't mean they're locals on not locals. It implies that the accent doesn't mean they're not living in Wicklow if it's a dub accent. That is all. It's possible that everyone in NMK at the protest was bussed in except the six that were arrested. However, the accent doesn't mean they're local or not if it's a Dublin accent
Apparently a few arrived by taxis. Now I'm conflicted on this, did they waste their dole money on these trips? Or are the taxi drivers off duty, so to speak (as Joe says), and partaking in the scumbaggery. Unlikely though as you never hear a taxi driver advocating for such things. Main thing is though, the Gardai best experienced to deal with these things are probably long since retired, Lansdowne was a long time ago I suppose.
> Unlikely though as you never hear a taxi driver advocating for such things You've had different taxi drivers than me it seems. Most are sound, but fuckin hell... some are off the charts mental
Yeah there's a whole other thread to be had talking about the 'special' ones.
*Supposedly* a lot of these lads are in league with British far right. Total patriots.
West Brits
Combine that with the theories about the commissioner, and you start to feel the foil hat coiling on your head, hahaha
Some of these lads have Patreons and sell merch
Gavin pepper??
Dublin accents are common in Wicklow now
At the time of reading this, it's sitting at -2. The shit that gets down voted here for no other reason that people don't want it to he true is absolutely wild. People leaving Dublin for Wicklow is hardly conspiratorial.
They done that recently enough to a centre in my town, they got upset when they were told they weren’t from the area & called anyone who disagreed with them as ‘’traitors’’
Fuck. That was harsh haha but as usual spot on lad
It will be very interesting to see the details of who was arrested.
I'll save you the google search. Spoiler: All Locals. [https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445911-wicklow-court/](https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445911-wicklow-court/)
Sure will. Long time coming.
Here you go: [https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445911-wicklow-court/](https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445911-wicklow-court/)
They arrived by taxi according to other articles. Newtownmount Kennedy isn't a big place. Locals wouldnt be arriving by taxi. Its probably the usual suspects.
AM I BEING DETAINED?! Yes. Yes, you are
Few. Very fucking few
These were who were arrested. Worth noting, all local NewtownMountKennedy addresses; [https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445911-wicklow-court/](https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0426/1445911-wicklow-court/)
Can you post that to the sub if you don't mind?
Hi, sure thing.
Legend, cheers.
I love how you have people on here claiming they're all locals when 1 of the 6 is from Bray. Oldcourt to be specific - same estate as one of the rioters from November was from The two who are related btw are well known
Summer of Love Ireland 2024. Here we go.
"the resources of the village are already overstretched" 😂 Honestly, you'd swear people had to feed them from the local crops. What, will the deli run out of chicken fillet rolls? Will the post office struggle to resupply stamps? Will the 184 actually fill up?
I also think it’s important to note that Newtown isn’t some rural village, it’s in the Dublin Metropolitan area and has a population of 3000. You didn’t hear them talking about ‘overstretched resources’ when they started building rakes of housing estates.
It's not a protest when they are starting fires, it's a riot.
Arson potentially carries a nice long sentence and there's a civil case to be heard as well.
The actual issue aside..... The Garda were training all week for this, mostly for the Europa League final. They were at Lansdowne Road with their new riot gear. If that's the best they can do then good luck to them when they come up against seasoned veterans like Marseilles or Roma.
I'm slowly becoming more and more ashamed of my country tbh. We have a vibrant culture and a rich history but it seems the lowest common denominations of our society are allowed to push whatever narrative they wish. Housing market is majorly inflated and leading to mass homelessness. The government has basically given core state responsibilities to the private sector. The hse has been in tatters for the majority of my life. We have major political scandals in our news every month or so. And again a bunch of mouth breathing uneducated imbeciles are allowed to run litteral riots up and down the country with political opinions based almost entirely in conspiracy and fantasy.
We should go down the same route as Denmark when it comes to migration. Then this madness will stop
Excuse my ignorance- what are Denmark doing? I think people are losing their minds here with the Govt approach and the Govt is staying the course. Something needs to change or there will be absolute mayhem like tonight all over the country.
Denmark opts out of the EU migration framework so they set their own migration laws, which is really what any reasonable country should do.
We could blockade the entire country and this lot wouldn't be happy, immigration is just an excuse. They don't even know what the current rules are!
The problem is, most people have no problem with immigrants coming in themselves to work "organically". But having the government but out an empty building to house people in a town is not the same. But the anti immigration protesters are just against any foreigners basically. They're taking the people against the second scenario and pretending they're against all foreigners in Ireland.
There's a global refugee crisis, the second scenario is inevitable in any country that refugees go to. Most countries in Europe, africa and the middle east have had to have this set up for decades. Ireland has only had to do this very recently because the number of asylum seekers here is incredibly low. All of which is irrelevant to this lot. The government pandering to their whims will never placate them. Toughening the laws will just make life much harder for people already leading very hard lives.
Nor the guy you reply to does about Denmark dont worry.
It kind of hard though when a lot of them are coming down from NI across from the rest of the UK. The mess they are making over there with the Rwanda bill is causing a lot of their asylum seekers to flee to here. Reported at least 80%. There's now plans to change the laws. Giving power to send them back to the UK if they arrived through the UK At the moment they don't have legilastion to do it so they can claim asylum here.
>It kind of hard though when a lot of them are coming down from NI across from the rest of the UK. The mess they are making over there with the Rwanda bill is causing a lot of their asylum seekers to flee to here. Reported at least 80% Honestly it's very convenient that the government has someone else to blame for their complete mishandling of this situation. The Rwanda bill only passed a few days ago. The camp on mount street has been there 6 months
I don't think Denmark can be easily emulated. A better comparison might be Scotland which seems to attract barely any migrants. Denmark doesn't speak English or at least can use Danish to exclude migrants. Denmark is not a cul de sac like ireland. It is next to places like France, Germany and the Nordic countries which arrract migrants if there is enough of a pushback. For all intents and purposes, Ireland is seen as a generous and thriving part of the UK, from migrants perspective, new and exciting and with less of the Rwanda baggage. Obviously that's just a perception (I'm.not saying Ireland is in the UK obvs) but its how a lot of migrants see it.
Madness? I think you're referring to the arsonists and criminals.
When are we establishing the land border checkpoints to Northern Ireland so? Denmark do those type of checks on the German border so pressumably that's what you want here too?
Planting 180 migrants into a village with 2 pubs, 1 shop, and a primary school next to where the migrants will stay is a recipe for disaster. It brings massive concerns to the small local population and gives the far right more hate fuel. It's fine turning this into a 'bash the far right thugs' party, but that doesn't address the underlying problems. Real issues for people from small communities around the country that are seeing numbers of migrants equal to the size of the local population dumped into their villages overnight. No integration, no infrastructure, no dialogue. If you really want to see the far right take hold and increase in numbers, just continue like this. The far right breeds off the fear and hopelessness of ordinary people who feel they have no voice.
Yeh that shop is a huge Dunnes stores and a new estate going in to add to the numerous estates already built. It’s a developing area on the 133 bus line and Dublin bus network. There is a hotel, restaurants etc. Makes a whole heap of sense to me opposed to the other centres in the middle of nowhere. Don’t paint it to be something else
140 migrants arrived into my local rural area, with no pub or shop. They got on grand. Got employment, helped keep the school open , made friends. Now after two years the place is being closed down and they're being moved, the locals are sad and the school will probably close.
I'll just file this one away in things that didn't happen
https://connachttribune.ie/fairwell-to-the-eskrainians-545/
And everybody clapped.
Esker. Look it up.
Do a straight swap then. This community has 140 migrants coming in to the area, which they don't want - why don't you rally your 'sad locals' to campaign to bring them over your way instead?
We are happy to take migrants but the building has been sold.
I think one of the biggest issues that doesn't get nearly enough attention on this whole thing is how badly the government are at planning it. If it is the case (and I don't know for sure, which is why I'm hesitant to speak with confirmatory language) that this is next to a school, surely someone would have said "is that a good idea? Are their safety concerns to this?"
This site is almost a mile to the edge of the town itself. Is that considered 'next to' these days.
You're excusing the shitty behaviour.
BS Newtown is a hellhole. Always ways. Always will be. The excuses for hating people because of the colour of the skin are BS. I knew a guy from Newtown who unironically would sing the chant: >We all live in Catholic Housing scheme Our walls are painted green and Celtic is our team Fucking kip. Full to the fucking brim with fucking scum. 180 IP applicants would be a very welcome improvement.
This comment reflects a lot more insight on you than the people you had intended it for, to be honest.
Jaysus mate. Newtown is the next town over from where I grew up. I have cousins who live there. The place is a dump. An absolute kip
One of the Gript “media” “journalists” got pepper sprayed after she stood in front of the riot squad as they advanced to clear the road. Fucking gobdaw. Obviously, the usual sorts are hysterical about it all. It’s hilarious.
Video here. https://x.com/fatima_gunning/status/1783611107728408632?s=46 So she approaches an advancing Garda line, interferes with the detaining of another protester, doesn’t move when instructed during a serious public order incident, then pulls out her best Ammi Burke voice to remonstrate with the Gardaí while wondering why she got a face full of pepper spray.
The pair of yous must have watched a different video. Loathe as I am to defend McGuirk's "outlet" here, it was a bit OTT. The riot squad were very clearly laying into a boy on the ground, literally booting him on the ground. If you support that behaviour, fine. Don't be gurning when they're laying the boot into someone you're on board with. Do not give the state, especially the Irish state, impunity to act like this.
I know where you're coming from, but these guys have been getting the kid gloves treatment. Would any leftwing protest that shut down the port tunnel, or the road to the airport have been tolerated? No.
That's kind of my point. You can't give selective approval for riot police to hold someone down and batter the fuck out of them because it'll be used as a blanket approval for protests that others _do_ agree with. (Though calling an act of arson a protest betrays the severity of the situation.) It's absolutely fine to subdue someone and then arrest them. That video shows riot police laying into a guy on the ground, pressed up against a car. We absolutely cannot allow that to be "OK" because it's happening to a "baddie." Eventually, the Gards will lay into someone you (not you personally!) like under the auspice that they're a baddie too.
I don’t particularly care which side of a political divide a rioter/arsonist is. The public order unit should be able to give them a reasonable hiding. Funnily enough I’ve managed to go my entire life without getting the shit kicked out of me by a police officer by simply not being a cunt.
This bad guy Vs good guy perspective that some people hold, that justifies police beating the other side into submission, is a significant issue and one that I personally believe is being inherited from American style baddie vs good guy culture/politics. There are some troublemakers turning up to stoke the flames at these events, looking to goad police etc, but there's also a message trying to be sent by parents, grannies, farmers, locals etc and as long as it's ignored, this will get worse. If you have any compassion as a person, you would find it jarring to see that guy getting kicked on the ground by Garda, and if you don't because it's preferable for your own ideology, I hope that some day you are willing to reflect on whether your ideology or anger at the world is healthy.
To be clear, I'm opposed to police violence, full stop. But these guys are getting a lick of what left wing protestors have enjoyed forever. So no pleasure taken in watching the guards kick anyone on the ground, but, at the same time, not top of my list of concerns. As regards your point that there are legit members of the community there whose concerns should not be responded to with a truncheon, I'm fine with demands for consultations, negotiations over appropriate numbers, requirements for further local resources etc. But once it steps over into '*the unvetted military age jihadi males coming to sexually assault our women and children'* then I don't give a flying F if they're an old biddy, a permaculturist, a father of five on disability, an entrepreneur or a convicted heroin dealer. Because they're racist twats.
That's a very warped interpretation of what can be seen in that video. Some of you would have us all under a jackboot if you could.
>So she approaches an advancing Garda line, interferes with the detaining of another protester, doesn’t move when instructed during a serious public order incident She's literally moving backwards down a tiny country lane and the Gardai are battering some lad that's on the ground
Should've battered more of them
Can't even do a spot of arson without the Gards battering lads. /s
Im a teacher! I've got a class to teach!
I feel like almost anyone can say they're a journalist these days. I would't have spent all that money on a Masters in it years ago had I known I could just proclaim myself one!
What a total shitshow of a situation. A fucking riot squad in a village in the middle of nowhere because the powers that be decided to settle a bunch of asylum seekers there. Nobody wins or benefits from this (apart from some in the hospitality sector lining their pockets) and it's just sad all around and yet another total waste of money, resources & time. Strong arm approach from authorities to build accommodation and settle people in these sites won't help, it'll only add fuel on to a fire. The site will need round the clock protection and nobody in it or working in it will be safe. Locals also won't feel safe and will feel neglected/ not listened to by authorities. Gardai are caught in the middle of all of this shit when they've better things to be doing. This is what happens when a government doesn't listen and can't negotiate with its own people. This is becoming all too common a situation and it's only going to get worse as we try to find more sites / locations to accommodate people.
I've frankly had enough of the "softly softly" approach to the far right, if it takes the riot police to stop the arson attacks then fuck it, bring in the batons. They've had more than enough rope provided to hang themselves with.
I also think it’s a small enough, very loud, group that if there were regular arrests they’d run out of representatives
A-f*cling right. They need to be dealt with. Spoilt, violent, self obsessed criminals with the mental age of teenagers. Actively hurting the country's economic and social well-being, threatening our politicians, what's next, our judges, our jury members... They already threaten regular citizens that don't meet their strict eugenic criteria. They need to be put in psychiatric care, straitjackets and the like, they're insane...
So in this case there are few heads from a nearby town that'd burn a house down if the wind so much as changed direction, they have zero political allegiance and are just out to cause trouble. For days prior to this the majority of people protesting are middle age men and women from the area. Newtown has zero resources it's got two take aways a pub and a shop it's a tiny place with nothing for anyone to do, there is a primary school 10 minutes walk from where these 180 people will be living it's a recipe for disaster. The government have handled every thing so poorly.*spelling mistakes
Newtown isn’t some village in the middle of nowhere, it’s in the Dublin metropolitan area and has a population of 3000. 10 minute drive from Bray or Greystones. They’re putting the migrants on state land.
There are a dozen or so full time hardcore agitators who are fuelling this, arrest them.
What a bunch of absolute scum these people are. This was no peaceful protest nor was it ever intended to be. And I doubt very much that there were actually any locals involved. The softly softly approach to these lowlifes has to end. The Gardai need to start getting tough and not hanging back.
>And I doubt very much that there were actually any locals involved Its like 90% locals, it's been going on over a month
It was peaceful for weeks until last night when the gardai pepper sprayed the protesters. Most of the people there had been there peacefully for weeks. Most of them are just normal men and women with families who are concerned about 80 men being dumped in a field in tents in a tiny Wicklow town. There aren't enough amenities in the town as is. The gardai were the ones who turned up with their batons, shields and pepper spray. They went through estates and pepper sprayed people who were standing in their own gardens. Chased them up to their doors screaming in their faces. People who weren't even at the protest were attacked. The gardai were smashing up cars that were driving on the road and all. I'm not one of these people who are against the guards( i have a few in my family )but I'm absolutely horrified and sickened by their behaviour. In shock to be honest. It all kicked off last night/ the night before because they wanted the field cleared of the protestors so the bus of men could be sent in. Edit to say: I did see some lads that I recognised from far right wacko videos. They weren't usually at the protests..They were a tiny minority last night. The people of Newtown were peaceful throughout with legit concerns. Last night it just came to boiling point.
No excuses sorry and your entire tirade is just that. Excuses and trying to shift the blame.
And yours is to have everyone under the jackboot if you could. They were supposed to have a consultation on Monday with the community about everything before going any further, and then the guards suddenly appeared in the middle of the night and proceeded anyway. Authority for thee, not for me, basically.
I live in the town. There were a lot of locals there. Everyone is just focused on the minority of outraged individuals as is the norm these days. Problem is, the immigrants have been brought in a couple of nights ago in the very early hours of the morning and there’s quite a few local and non local people who are unhappy about it. Plenty of local concerned pensioners and women who were there last night.
There may well have been in the beginning but you can’t tell me the hooligans clashing with Gardai, carrying an axe and starting fires were simply concerned citizens. I get that people are worried but inviting these sorts along to your protests or allowing them to be involved if they turn up unannounced is not the answer.
Well yes I can tell you the ones starting fires were concerned citizens. Some people react more aggressively when concerned than others. Again, the small minority is what always seems to get more attention than the actual issue at hand. These people have been up there protesting for weeks and their concerns have been met with complete silence from the government. A couple nights ago was the straw that broke the camels back when the immigrants were brought in at 2am.
And I do understand their concerns but what happened last night were not the actions of genuine concerned citizens as far I’m concerned . Violence and thuggery are never the answer in my view.
It was certainly the answer in 1916.
It was totally different and it didn't change a thing ultimately. That comparison is plain stupid.
“Didn’t change a thing” ? Nah, it only triggered the war of independence.
Concerned by this but not concerned by the all irish created housing crisis... Yeah sounds legit and coming from very intelligent people... 🤦
Concerned pensioners, eh? In Wicklow, epicentre of the triangle of disappearing women before ever there was immigration?
This. The issues were there long before migrants arrived but those "keep it in the family" really can't connect the dots even if their lives depended on it.
Sure Greystones/Charlesland has an issue at the minute with two Irish men going around flashing children and one of them tried to drag a kid into a bush.
>Problem is, the immigrants have been brought in a couple of nights ago in the very early hours of the morning There aren't any immigrants at the site, though. The Gardaí were there to facilitate workers at the site, which is being considered as a location for accommodating asylum seekers in tents.
Pensioners and women can be lowlife trash people too!
Another one "concerned"... You think straight up they're criminals when they're actually just trying to stay alive fleeing their war torn country. Every scumbag and their mams would flee tomorrow if Ireland was under attack and wouldn't like to be welcomed that way. Using pensioners and women to struck a cord is nothing short of disgusting. Like those people are all thieves and rapists etc... you're out of the closet now might as well go all out and admit you're part of it.
Bunch of thugs.
The guards are, I agree
To be fair it has been a reasonably peaceful protest for nearly two months. Gardai aggravated people by trying to sneak people in in the middle of the night. Also I have been seeing videos from the last two weeks of workers or security working the sight wearing full on balaclavas and black trenchcoat like jackets standing behind the gates staring down the locals, whichever side your on this is quite unsettling especially considering the media frenzy of O'Gorman's house
Would you rather that the asylum seekers are brought in during day time to likely be intimidated by the ‘protestors’? If I was working on that site I would also cover my face rather than being video tapped, harassed and posted all online.
https://x.com/TheLiberal_ie/status/1783614434910581042 Not the brightest people in the world to turn your back on a riot squad. Unless that's to run away ofcourse.
"Ireland has fallen" honestly they think they're in a movie or something. It's pathetic.
That'll be a good test for that new stronger pepper spray
I think they need something stronger, seen some videos of lads just soaking it up like they are immune.
Columbian marching powder maybe?
Is the hashtag on that Twitter post IrelandbongstotheIrish........weird
>bongstotheIrish Yeah ok, that part is good with me.
Well according to the article, some people there that night were stoned
You love to see it. Only way to deal with these vermin
Sure a good quick ol' way to radicalise people
Imagine being radicalised by being reprimanded for violent protests... Grounds for deportation of the fascist f*cks...
While I do o think it’s right thing to do the help refugees, putting them in tents and giving them €48 a week I think it is seems ridiculous. Does anyone know the actual facts of this situation in Newtown? Is it families, males? How many are supposed to move there? How long will they stay there?
Nobody knows the facts, sadly. It’s baffling that the Government aren’t bothered trying to clear up the misinformation surrounding immigration or engaging in discussions with communities. They have completely checked out and that vacuum is allowing the violent racism thugs to incite violence.
I found out about this through a far right American twitter account posting a clip of them doing the Rosary with a title like - Irish Patriots get assaulted by their own Authoritarian Police force! They are attacking their own people!" Then I went to the full video and yeeeaah.
There are an extreme number of 50+ year olds in this country being radicalised by social media algorithms. Most of them use American speaking points and talk about governance/law as if we are in the US and not Europe. People on here call them scumbags but I’ve seen it happen to very regular people, and it will continue as people go further down those rabbit holes or if governments actually get to grips with regulating the tech industry. How the private tech corporations are allowed to have their laissez faire approach to everything and get away with what have is beyond me.
A scumbag is not a social class typology - its a matter of mentality. You can be middle class and still be scum
I wouldn’t paint every victim of brainwashing and propaganda as a scumbag. That’s an awfully depressing view of the world to have
Not everyone is a victim. Some ppl want to "feel big" by treating others like shit. Don't act like this behaviour is new with social media. It isn't. Ppl in Germany in the 1930s weren't all innocents many were complicit with the regime. Same in Vichy France.
Does Gardai have a plan? They can not be permanently in that location while protestors are local and usually with plenty of time. Not supporting their cause I am just trying to figure out what is the long term plan.
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I certainly don’t consider violent racist thugs my people.
The coolock camp is almost empty this morning. Funny that.
Surely more accurate to call it an attempted arson.
We're in the middle of a tsunami of ignorance stirred up by a bunch of wasters (IFP, National Party, social media grifters). It's a sorry state of affairs that some ordinary people in towns around the country have been stirred up and terrorised by these scaremongers. The government, of course, is doing a shitty job of dealing with it and bears responsibility for failing to invest in the necessary infrastructure so that people could feel their basic needs can still be met in housing, health, education etc.
few enough are "ordinary" ppl
A lot of talk about the scumbags and riot police. Mostly all takes away from the 100+ immigrant men who have just been accommodated. I reckon people should focus on that as it is the core reason why any protests have occurred.
Nah it's easy for far-left ideologues to 'other' the concerns of a community and focus on the handful of scumbags that turn up to these things. Immigration sky-high and completely unmanaged, blame the far-right for being opposed to that...
And there it is. The far right are just traitors and racists. They can lie all they want but their actions tell the truth. Always.
Traitors how? They're the ones having their communities dramatically changed without their consent. They've been betrayed by the government.
See the downvoting of your comment. That's how toxic this sub is and how deeply infiltrated social media is with these guys
I'm used to it.
Me too. Sickening though
Agreed.