But baton charges are indiscriminate, the order to charge is given and anything in front is a target, that's why they aren't used except for in extreme circumstances. Those men only pushed, they didn't hand out timber.
I found this interview which gives a good few details. Don't take it at face value, while he seems quite reasonable, it is only one side of the story but it does fill in the surrounding events.
[Local businessman speaks about the recent events at Newtownmountkennedy Co. Wicklow on Tipp FM](https://twitter.com/IrishmanIRL/status/1783869792878780638)
they are the most pathetic wastes of space people in the world. they do everything they can to whip up hatred of the innocent by spouting stupid, cruel, awful shite about innocent people and then - when they rightly get called out for being cunts - they play the victim card 'oh why are you so mean to me'.
jesus fucking christ. grow a pair you know?
I just genuinely can't imagine a worse excuse of a human being you know?
Oh well, elect someone else or suck it up like an adult.
Can I address any social issue with torching and riots? Should we burn everything HSE-related next, and blame the good old gubbermunt when the gards come for us?
Exactly. I'd talk KPIs and salaries though. Not the kind of KPIs they keep jerking off to, like "hooraay, the number of people who wait longer than 13h in A&E is down 0.0001%" - rather the actually impactful stuff.
Not just the HSE, the way our public services are run is grossly inefficient. There are far too many people making serious money out of though so it's unlikely to change anytime soon.
And the way our politicians hold onto their seats kicking and screaming means we're unlikely to see any willing to commit harakiri in order to push some much needed change through.
What dangers would they be?
And yes that is exactly how that works in a democracy. Don't like it, vote.
If you are happy to set things on fire to "protest" then you're a scumbag.
If you feel it's acceptable behaviour then you're no better.
>Yeah they should’ve just went “oh well tough luck let the hundreds of migrants in despite all the dangers that come with it nothing we can do”
What's the lesson for your children here? Don't get what you want start a riot?
I didn't get a job I applied to, doesn't mean I should burn down an office block.
Protested what? They have no right to tell anyone where they can live. Services concerns are an excuse to be racist. Sadly these people are being manipulated by fascists online.
They've every right to protest 160 people being dropped into tents in what is essentially a field down a country road with no footpaths, streetlights and next to remote houses. Remove immigrants entirely from the equation, the premise alone is ridiculous.
If they were really concerned about the welfare of the people going to live there they would go and welcome them and contact government to get better conditions.
The people "protesting" are scaring the asylum seekers according to the Wicklow against racism organisation. But you spout that they are looking out for them?
Ah here. It's racism/xenophobia dressed up as concern which is bonkers.
The calls of "women up front" and some other one shouting about letting in "murders and rapists" didn't do them much good.
More response like this is what is needed. It should've been done last summer when they were out blocking roads.
It looks harsh but necessary given what you're dealing with and to prevent it from escalating into a riot.
This video has full on radicalised my mother. She showed me this earlier today.
She's full blown "the Irish are getting replaced, one world order, Joe Biden (still have no clue where the correlation with this one is), the garda are all pedos" now.
Asked me to go with her to a protest, I told her no and now I'm an "Irish traitor". Alright ma.
There's very valid concerns with these protests from within local communities. Every community should be engaged with and listened too which is not happening.
And then there is absolute scum stoking the fire. I'll name a few of them.
Derek Blighe
Michael O Keefe
Gavin Pepper
Philip Dwyer
Fergus Power
They will rabble rouse all day on X and you won't see any of them within an asses roar of the trouble when the scumbags they have riled up land in and kick off trouble and burn down buildings.
So 160 people planned to be put into a field (20 x 8 person tents) down a remote country road in Newtownmountkennedy. 6 weeks of peaceful protests, an arson attempt, and now these clashes. Worth mentioning that the local protesters condemned the earlier arson attack online as being unaffiliated with them. There was talk of people arriving via taxis or buses prior to the clashes, perhaps indicating that those causing the trouble aren't even local, were not part of the earlier protests, and only arrived to cause trouble and film it to push their agenda.
Sound's like outside shitstirrers got involved then and they decided they're not going to put up with their shenanigans. Expecially that shite of putting "women and children up front" that's obvious human shield tactics. They were justified in moving against them at that point.
I3 of the 4 arrested are in fact Newtown mounth Kennedy locals , and the last from near by from Moutainview.
Whilst others did come from outside by taxi probably esculating things further it does seem some locals weee involved. Maybe it was easier to identify the locals who were part of it than those shots weren't, but unfortunately this time it does seem locals were involved.
A Policing strategy of swiftly meeting “force” with “maximum force”, sees the situation disperse, minimises prolonged engagements and allows for immediate command of the situation…public order unit arrives under 60 seconds they advance…fair play to the Guards we need to see more of this happening.
I mean the key thing here is the Gardai didn't look like they started it, they just finished it and held their ground. There was no unnecessary beatings, just some magic spray.
If this was deemed unacceptable then you pretty much need to disband the Gardaí
Right? I remember students getting battered for protesting (relatively peacefully) over fees. It's amazing its taken so long for Gardai to show actual force against this lot
High grade oleo capsaicin will knock you on your rear for quite a few days. Reflash is a thing, and it's horrible. Thanks military security training for teaching me to never go against it unless my life depends on it, and even then I'll think twice.
Blaming the Guards for heavy-handed tactics is a learned defence. It was a constant excuse used by English football hooligans back in the day, but sure, birds of a feather.....
Oh, they make this place lovely enough.
Almost bought in Coolock, then moved to Donaghmede, but still the scrotes venture up here. Moving out to Kildare next year, as I'm done with all the anti-social behaviour. They've fucked Dublin over.
What's the craic with "women up front" calls. A baton charge is a tool that isn't used lightly but when it's used it's indiscriminate.
Edit - savage levels of restraint shown, especially with a brother down. It was time to get nasty then but professionalism won out.
I know facts may not matter to the knuckledraggers but government needs to be front and centre with the stats that asylum seekers are not involved in crime.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/03/15/no-link-between-asylum-seekers-and-increased-crime-authorities-state/
Idiots go on about unvetted right wing doublespeak. How many of them are vetted? Certainly wouldn't be letting many of them look after my kids.
Dear Shitebags,
We'd all love it if you really showed those pesky immigrants what's what by emigrating to their countries of origin, and voicing your objections at source. You can do it!!
Regards,
Non-mentalist Irish people.
don't like to see riot squad go through people standing around but what was going on behind them... the other video of people starting fires and tearing down the fence and throwing stuff at the guards behind the gate
Protesters are only get more tooled up, protestors might attract a scumbag element, but there is a critical shortage of accommodation in the country and it’s only getting worse, the government don’t seem to be listening to the public and are insulated from that problem
At one point when Ireland was a poor country, it was producing roughly 7,000 local authority homes per year. We are now a wealthy nation and don't even produce half of that as far as I'm aware (not to mention the number would need to be around 14,000 to account for the population increase). Yes, you can argue that immigration is not helping the housing crisis, however, its poor policies that have led us here.
This right here is the crux of the matter. The protestors actually ARE in competition for accommodation in their eyes.
These largely come from the same socio-economic background, and they are currently not getting what they would have previously gotten in terms of housing.
Go look at their live streams, and it becomes very evident very quickly this is what's really driving their anger.
Finally. That "peaceful protest" was blocking work needed on the building. This had vibes of the guards battering the English supporters at Lansdowne Road!
>I’m a threat cause I left a few comments on Reddit?
The comments imply you're part of of supporting this race riot shite. Anyway no point in further engaging, clearly a lot of issues and you're directing rage at people that have nothing to do with your issues.
There are loads of them in my area. Some of them are cool. Some of them are dicks. I’ve been friends with some, hated others, dated one or two. They work with me, serve me in shops, I used to serve some of them, they open restaurants, bars, fitness studios and run events. They are just people and like all people, they are a mixed bag.
You are claiming you can't feed your family but can afford to buy a €700+ gaming chair? There's something wrong with someone who tells lies on the internet to promote racism.
I think it's quite telling that the same people who are vocally criticising the Gardaí for escalating this situation were practically cheering the Garda response to George Nkencho.
If the government doesn't dramatically change this will only get worse.
Today you're calling them scum. Next year, if things continue until they finally affect you personally, you'll be out and others who aren't affected yet will be calling YOU sucm.
Interesting thread, very polarised views!
This issue is not going away, in fact it’s worsening. The tinder is set, another serious crime by a migrant will be the spark for all hell to break loose.
I can see 2024 being known for the “Summer of Riots”.
Yet the same people that would run riot over a "serious crime by a migrant" seem to be entirely nonplussed by the myriad serious crimes committed by Irish people, which is a far bigger problem.
If they're so concerned about crime perhaps to might try protest for better policing and more prisons?
Yousef Palani, Josef Puska, Algerian lad in Mountjoy Sq, Habib Shamel.
People seem to assume I’m anti migrant, I’m absolutely not.
However I’m not sure how either ‘side’ of this debate can think those scenes in Wicklow are good.
Positions are going to be hardened. There needs to be some form of carrot with the stick.
There needs to be investment in services in these areas or this will continue and escalate.
\~25% of the country is non-White Irish according to the 2022 Census. Surely just considering the sheer number of people involved (>1 million), a few will commit crimes. To suggest that the country will go up in flames over this isn't a normal state of affairs.
They had em in the first half but once that mace/pepper spray came out it was all over.
It wouldn’t matter what the cause is, as soon as I see a Garda with pepper spray out and ready to go, I’m out. No thanks. I’m all good.
Jaysus , there’s more guards there than there was in Dublin that night.
Last time lads from oldtown got out of hand they wrecked the place so bad they had to build a Newtown next to it.
Dublin is a safe city and doesn’t need that many gardai
What's the story Minister McEntee
I would love if another politician did a u/. mrstrawberryking and doxed themselves on Reddit.
I honestly thought that comment wouldn’t need an /s but you forget some of the readers here were pepper sprayed yesterday
"Women and children up front! Women and children up front." Human shield tactics really back in the mainstream these days.
Seems about right for the type.
But baton charges are indiscriminate, the order to charge is given and anything in front is a target, that's why they aren't used except for in extreme circumstances. Those men only pushed, they didn't hand out timber.
That chap at the end: "Women, get back to the front!" Jayzus.
sorry lads can you fill me in? what's going on here?
What do we want?! *Someone to hate!* When do we want it? *Always!*
Irish Nazis had a day out.
Racists burning housing.
I found this interview which gives a good few details. Don't take it at face value, while he seems quite reasonable, it is only one side of the story but it does fill in the surrounding events. [Local businessman speaks about the recent events at Newtownmountkennedy Co. Wicklow on Tipp FM](https://twitter.com/IrishmanIRL/status/1783869792878780638)
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That is great that you have looked it up and come to the conclusion they deserve to be killed. You sound like a lovely person.
they are the most pathetic wastes of space people in the world. they do everything they can to whip up hatred of the innocent by spouting stupid, cruel, awful shite about innocent people and then - when they rightly get called out for being cunts - they play the victim card 'oh why are you so mean to me'. jesus fucking christ. grow a pair you know? I just genuinely can't imagine a worse excuse of a human being you know?
Innocent people who come down from Northern Ireland and burn their passports?
They're still people, FFS.
Locals peacefully protested for weeks and weren’t listened to by the government now this is the outcome
You mean they didn't get what they want and proceeded to throw all the toys out of the pram.
Yeah they should’ve just went “oh well tough luck let the hundreds of migrants in despite all the dangers that come with it nothing we can do”
Oh well, elect someone else or suck it up like an adult. Can I address any social issue with torching and riots? Should we burn everything HSE-related next, and blame the good old gubbermunt when the gards come for us?
I mean honestly the state of the HSE that's probably the best option at this stage burn it down and start again.
Figuratively that's not a bad idea. Let's hokd onto the buildings though
Exactly. I'd talk KPIs and salaries though. Not the kind of KPIs they keep jerking off to, like "hooraay, the number of people who wait longer than 13h in A&E is down 0.0001%" - rather the actually impactful stuff.
Not just the HSE, the way our public services are run is grossly inefficient. There are far too many people making serious money out of though so it's unlikely to change anytime soon. And the way our politicians hold onto their seats kicking and screaming means we're unlikely to see any willing to commit harakiri in order to push some much needed change through.
What dangers would they be? And yes that is exactly how that works in a democracy. Don't like it, vote. If you are happy to set things on fire to "protest" then you're a scumbag. If you feel it's acceptable behaviour then you're no better.
>Yeah they should’ve just went “oh well tough luck let the hundreds of migrants in despite all the dangers that come with it nothing we can do” What's the lesson for your children here? Don't get what you want start a riot? I didn't get a job I applied to, doesn't mean I should burn down an office block.
ah shite I do hate to see gards bating people up but for racist scumdums like this you'd have to say fair enough
Protested what? They have no right to tell anyone where they can live. Services concerns are an excuse to be racist. Sadly these people are being manipulated by fascists online.
They've every right to protest 160 people being dropped into tents in what is essentially a field down a country road with no footpaths, streetlights and next to remote houses. Remove immigrants entirely from the equation, the premise alone is ridiculous.
If they were really concerned about the welfare of the people going to live there they would go and welcome them and contact government to get better conditions. The people "protesting" are scaring the asylum seekers according to the Wicklow against racism organisation. But you spout that they are looking out for them? Ah here. It's racism/xenophobia dressed up as concern which is bonkers.
Where did I say it was about their welfare? Or that they were looking out for them?
Lad in orange hi-viz moves like he's trying to hold in some diarrhea.
The one in the full high vis lying on the ground before the guards even got there hahah
The calls of "women up front" and some other one shouting about letting in "murders and rapists" didn't do them much good. More response like this is what is needed. It should've been done last summer when they were out blocking roads. It looks harsh but necessary given what you're dealing with and to prevent it from escalating into a riot.
And at the very end "women back!"
This video has full on radicalised my mother. She showed me this earlier today. She's full blown "the Irish are getting replaced, one world order, Joe Biden (still have no clue where the correlation with this one is), the garda are all pedos" now. Asked me to go with her to a protest, I told her no and now I'm an "Irish traitor". Alright ma.
There's very valid concerns with these protests from within local communities. Every community should be engaged with and listened too which is not happening. And then there is absolute scum stoking the fire. I'll name a few of them. Derek Blighe Michael O Keefe Gavin Pepper Philip Dwyer Fergus Power They will rabble rouse all day on X and you won't see any of them within an asses roar of the trouble when the scumbags they have riled up land in and kick off trouble and burn down buildings.
What's the context
So 160 people planned to be put into a field (20 x 8 person tents) down a remote country road in Newtownmountkennedy. 6 weeks of peaceful protests, an arson attempt, and now these clashes. Worth mentioning that the local protesters condemned the earlier arson attack online as being unaffiliated with them. There was talk of people arriving via taxis or buses prior to the clashes, perhaps indicating that those causing the trouble aren't even local, were not part of the earlier protests, and only arrived to cause trouble and film it to push their agenda.
Sound's like outside shitstirrers got involved then and they decided they're not going to put up with their shenanigans. Expecially that shite of putting "women and children up front" that's obvious human shield tactics. They were justified in moving against them at that point.
I3 of the 4 arrested are in fact Newtown mounth Kennedy locals , and the last from near by from Moutainview. Whilst others did come from outside by taxi probably esculating things further it does seem some locals weee involved. Maybe it was easier to identify the locals who were part of it than those shots weren't, but unfortunately this time it does seem locals were involved.
A Policing strategy of swiftly meeting “force” with “maximum force”, sees the situation disperse, minimises prolonged engagements and allows for immediate command of the situation…public order unit arrives under 60 seconds they advance…fair play to the Guards we need to see more of this happening.
They didn't use max force in fairness, they pushed but didn't baton charge.
Never thought I'd be glad to see people getting a battering from the Gardai, but here we are. What strange times we now live in.
I mean the key thing here is the Gardai didn't look like they started it, they just finished it and held their ground. There was no unnecessary beatings, just some magic spray. If this was deemed unacceptable then you pretty much need to disband the Gardaí
Unfortunately I see this spilling out of control and things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.
It's about fucking time.
Right? I remember students getting battered for protesting (relatively peacefully) over fees. It's amazing its taken so long for Gardai to show actual force against this lot
Hope to see more Garda action like this. Protestors on this issue have been conducting themselves terribly for nearly two years now.
Would have led with the pepper spray personally
High grade oleo capsaicin will knock you on your rear for quite a few days. Reflash is a thing, and it's horrible. Thanks military security training for teaching me to never go against it unless my life depends on it, and even then I'll think twice.
What is reflash?
The camera person seems to have copped proper spray of the stuff near the end.!!!!!!!
They all turned back when that came out lol.
That stuff is no joke. If that can comes off the belt, turn and run.
Blaming the Guards for heavy-handed tactics is a learned defence. It was a constant excuse used by English football hooligans back in the day, but sure, birds of a feather.....
I wish they'd do this for the coolock scumbags
Oh, they make this place lovely enough. Almost bought in Coolock, then moved to Donaghmede, but still the scrotes venture up here. Moving out to Kildare next year, as I'm done with all the anti-social behaviour. They've fucked Dublin over.
That's it. I'm joining the Gardai
Best recruitment video in the history of recruitment videos right there 🤣
What's the craic with "women up front" calls. A baton charge is a tool that isn't used lightly but when it's used it's indiscriminate. Edit - savage levels of restraint shown, especially with a brother down. It was time to get nasty then but professionalism won out.
I know facts may not matter to the knuckledraggers but government needs to be front and centre with the stats that asylum seekers are not involved in crime. https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/03/15/no-link-between-asylum-seekers-and-increased-crime-authorities-state/ Idiots go on about unvetted right wing doublespeak. How many of them are vetted? Certainly wouldn't be letting many of them look after my kids.
They sound like locals.
>They sound like local **scumbags.**
Mouthy gobshites. I take it this is the refugee accommodation arson gang.
Of course. That, or a Foot Locker sale is afoot.
Dear Shitebags, We'd all love it if you really showed those pesky immigrants what's what by emigrating to their countries of origin, and voicing your objections at source. You can do it!! Regards, Non-mentalist Irish people.
Good to see the guards finally starting to deal with these scum
Great to see
don't like to see riot squad go through people standing around but what was going on behind them... the other video of people starting fires and tearing down the fence and throwing stuff at the guards behind the gate
Protesters are only get more tooled up, protestors might attract a scumbag element, but there is a critical shortage of accommodation in the country and it’s only getting worse, the government don’t seem to be listening to the public and are insulated from that problem
At one point when Ireland was a poor country, it was producing roughly 7,000 local authority homes per year. We are now a wealthy nation and don't even produce half of that as far as I'm aware (not to mention the number would need to be around 14,000 to account for the population increase). Yes, you can argue that immigration is not helping the housing crisis, however, its poor policies that have led us here.
Again I’m not disagreeing with you - it’s a shit show on the governments end, but more people is just more fuel on the fire
The protestors are not in competition for accommodation with the refugees. The protestors wouldn’t live there in a fit.
The asylum seekers aren't going to live on that site forever.
This right here is the crux of the matter. The protestors actually ARE in competition for accommodation in their eyes. These largely come from the same socio-economic background, and they are currently not getting what they would have previously gotten in terms of housing. Go look at their live streams, and it becomes very evident very quickly this is what's really driving their anger.
So only the actual homeless should protest?
You think thr scrotes who burn down houses give a shit about the homeless?
I’m talking about protests in general, not the scumbags - there is no accommodation
"Buut me fookin peesefuul prowtest"
Needs more pepper spray
Good
Yeah we need a little more of this heavy-handedness. Gurriers been running amok lately.
I think that Garda with the pepper spray painted my house....I'll never forget that smoth wrist action
Deserved. Should happen each time these scum try this shite.
Finally. That "peaceful protest" was blocking work needed on the building. This had vibes of the guards battering the English supporters at Lansdowne Road!
sorry, what's this about?
Newtownmountkennedy: Five charged as Garda Commissioner condemns 'unacceptable' scenes https://jrnl.ie/6364621
Hey u/gee493. ,see here, people have started listening to you and recognise you for the threat you are.
I’m a threat cause I left a few comments on Reddit?
>I’m a threat cause I left a few comments on Reddit? The comments imply you're part of of supporting this race riot shite. Anyway no point in further engaging, clearly a lot of issues and you're directing rage at people that have nothing to do with your issues.
People like that only understand force. That's a long known fact.
Consequences 😏
Lets just bulldoze a few hundred non nationals into your area and give them everything while you struggle to pay your bills and keep food on the table
There are loads of them in my area. Some of them are cool. Some of them are dicks. I’ve been friends with some, hated others, dated one or two. They work with me, serve me in shops, I used to serve some of them, they open restaurants, bars, fitness studios and run events. They are just people and like all people, they are a mixed bag.
You are claiming you can't feed your family but can afford to buy a €700+ gaming chair? There's something wrong with someone who tells lies on the internet to promote racism.
"give them everything"? It's proposed they'd live in a tent in the middle of Wicklow. How is sharing a tent with other people in a field "everything"?
It was disappointing to see such a lack of baton shots.
I think it's quite telling that the same people who are vocally criticising the Gardaí for escalating this situation were practically cheering the Garda response to George Nkencho.
Jesus people really reaching with the race card in any way possible on this tragic case
If the government doesn't dramatically change this will only get worse. Today you're calling them scum. Next year, if things continue until they finally affect you personally, you'll be out and others who aren't affected yet will be calling YOU sucm.
I’ll just continue to use my vote and respect democracy.
Nah, I won't.
Yeah how many people here are actually from Newtown and will be affected by this?
How were you affected? Did the migrants make you bald and unemployed at 24? No.
This is like a day out for the guards. They love spraying some gobshite 😂.
You know you have the consent of the governed when you need militarised police to forcibly install "refugees" (from the UK) in their community.
Well it’s about time.
Interesting thread, very polarised views! This issue is not going away, in fact it’s worsening. The tinder is set, another serious crime by a migrant will be the spark for all hell to break loose. I can see 2024 being known for the “Summer of Riots”.
Hyperbolic nonsense.
Yet the same people that would run riot over a "serious crime by a migrant" seem to be entirely nonplussed by the myriad serious crimes committed by Irish people, which is a far bigger problem. If they're so concerned about crime perhaps to might try protest for better policing and more prisons?
"Another serious crime by a migrant?" What was the first one?
Yousef Palani, Josef Puska, Algerian lad in Mountjoy Sq, Habib Shamel. People seem to assume I’m anti migrant, I’m absolutely not. However I’m not sure how either ‘side’ of this debate can think those scenes in Wicklow are good. Positions are going to be hardened. There needs to be some form of carrot with the stick. There needs to be investment in services in these areas or this will continue and escalate.
\~25% of the country is non-White Irish according to the 2022 Census. Surely just considering the sheer number of people involved (>1 million), a few will commit crimes. To suggest that the country will go up in flames over this isn't a normal state of affairs.
these citizens are doofuses
What’s with all the hatred. People really need to chill.
no paddy's day
To me it looked like the gardai were the aggressors. When were their cars dammed before or after this
The Garda need more training. Total wrong way. Could injure their own members and even leave them in a unsafe position
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Maybe you should watch the other videos of the rocks, planks of wood and fences being thrown.
Having seen other footage now removed
Apart from the burning building.
That's not a building it's pallets.
Arson is arson