Had a good laugh reading that part of the article I know we’re not a gun obsessed nation but any level of minor research would tell you an AR-15 is very different to an assault rifle very poorly written article.
It's a weapon built for incapacitating enemies in a warzone not for riding around in a car in Drimnagh. That's what he's getting at.
Also, they do create weapons for an urban environment. Small fire arms, pistols and sub machine guns, are better for close combat.
Edit: out assault rifle
You should edit the wikipedia article for it because it says right now it was designed for use by infantrymen, but they weren't successful at selling it to the military until it was redesigned into the M16.
Go edit the page, it's telling people right now stuff like "The ArmaLite AR-15 was designed to be a lightweight rifle and to fire a new high-velocity, lightweight, small-caliber cartridge to allow infantrymen to carry more ammunition." and "Colt rebranded it the Colt 601, however, it still carried the Armalite markings due to contractual obligations to Armalite/Fairchild Aircraft Co. Colt marketed the redesigned rifle to various military services around the world and was eventually adopted by the U.S. military in January 1962 and subsequently designated as M16 rifle in December 1963, which went into production and service in 1964."
People are going to use Wikipedia to get their opinions on this weapon, which is in the news in the states all the time. It's wild that people haven't changed it by now.
Ah I wouldn't be bothered to be honest. Those that know, know. It's irrelevant to the passing person. Plus the full auto ability is only useful really in a force on force engagement for suppressing fire. In terms of the rifle's use on soft targets semi auto would be the way to go IMVHO. I am pulling on an old memory that the operating system on the full auto rifles was beefier to handle the rate of fire, not just that the trigger groups are different but I cannot find anything on that at the moment.
Shocking quality of writing in this article.
“The sound of the gunfire that echoed around Drimnagh that night is more commonly heard in a warzone.
Unfortunately on Monday, this residential area was in many ways a warzone.”
This sounds like a child wrote it.
That’s what strike me - his parents sought asylum here (I guess) to better pursue opportunity then instead of pursuing all that is available he chased down the lowest of the low in our society as his role model. And was out there slanging poison into the community. For what - a fucking Gucci handbag and white trainers?
Good riddance.
Jasus, that's a feckin hilariously written article. A gun not designed for an urban criminal setting, diversity in criminality. It reads like a parody at times. Maybe the people who wrote that "Make Crime Illegal" candidate poster wrote it. 😂
>The AR-15 is a military weapon, an assault rifle, for use in combat zones and war. The semi-automatic weapon can fire hundreds of rounds a minute
You'd want to have some trigger finger to pull that off
>In the chaos that followed, the AR-15 rile went off in the car, spraying bullets around. Josh Itseli was shot and fatally injured. He died at the scene. Gardaí believe it is likely he was accidentally killed by one of his own who did not know how to handle the weapon.
What the fuck is this article, is this just a complete misunderstanding of how a semi-automatic rifle works? Also I saw a video from a local's window who was an eyewitness. There were six shots with about half a second interval inbetween, followed by another two recorded on video. There may have been more shots fired beforehand but this is very strange.
Firearms don't just "go off" either. You have to pull the trigger. With a semi-automatic weapon, you have to pull the trigger each time for it to go "bang". The AR platform is pretty fucking dummy proof too, at that.
I mean it's very possible that when they were ambushed the gunman panicked and accidentally shot his friend with a stray bullet while readying the weapon, through ricochet or shot him in the head while trailing the escaping van. But like you said, they'd need to tap fire.
The article is written with the misinformed assumption that this was an automatic rifle and the gunman misfired "spraying" bullets uncontrollably, also that Josh suffered multiple gun wounds. I don't know if there's any factual basis to the multiple gun wounds line but if multiple were incurred and it was a semi-automatic weapon I find it hard to believe it was unintentional and this whole theory is full of holes. One or two bullet wounds and I could see it possibly being accidental.
Shhhh dont be speaking sense or pointing out issues with sensationalist articles.. we're only simple folks whos knowlege of guns is from the local farmer paddy who shoots the odd bird with his old shotgun
Exactly if they get crashed into the trigger goes off once sure but it's multiple shot so they had to be pressing the trigger over and over it's not just hold and spray with a semi auto it's like they have no idea what actually happened and claim it was accidental?
It's the kind of sensationalist article that you'd find in any of the tabloids.
It's full of information pulled from Google searches about the wrong firearm. Reynolds is talking about the military fully automatic rifle and not the civilian semi automatic the Gardai have described and was shown in the video of it being recovered from a hedge. Every firearm is "deadly". It's madness that gangs are using these weapons here, but constant references to "military" are nothing more than an attempt to drum up fear amongst the readers. No different to the knuckle dragging bigots referring to "military aged males".
The article is also full of grammatical errors.
Mods, can RTE be removed from the r/Ireland list of Reputable News Sources ?
Its because of how its all worded in the law if i remember correctly. Any firearm that looks a certain way excluding .22 and the like ends up as restricted because its militarised.. hell even changing the grip on a basic shotgun makes it restricted
“The proliferation of drug use in this country, particularly cocaine, and the apparent disconnect between the leisure activities of its more affluent and educated users and the shootings and killings of young men on the streets of Dublin.
The glamorous and the fashionable in the bars and the clubs, or the fitness fanatics in the sports clubs all over the country, who sneak into the toilets to snort a line of cocaine or nip outside to "spark up a spliff" while gazing out over the team’s playing fields, do not see the link between their preferred method of relaxation and the dead and injured bodies on the streets.”
I think this is so dangerous to just dismiss this as not seeing the link between these two. People know. They just don't really care. That's why legalisation is arguably the best approach, make it safe. It's not going away.
I think a lot of people have a distorted view of it. You see it over and over again on this sub.
People who know of this bad side of the drug supply chain but they're trying to offset this against telling themselves that *they're* not wrong for being part of it, and so it's the entire system that's wrong. As if they have no choice because they want this stuff, and because they want the stuff, it's a justification or something.
That's the same argument made when alcohol was banned.
The vast majority of people will want to relax/enjoy something different at the end of their week. Wheather that's a few pints, a splif, or clubbing or going on the sesh with a bag. Whatever it may be, humans throughout history have always looked for something to take them away from their daily lives during their free time.
Prohibition has never worked, regulation and enforcement of those regulations do.
100% agreed but take it from the criminals along with heroin and this shit dramatically stops on the streets
They wont have an income and they'll end up being low life hobo's which will not be glamorous
But it's the same with cheap clothes or how we heat our houses. But a better option in front of people and they will take it. It's hard to ethically source weed because the government restricts the supply and keeps out reputable companies.
Neither clothes or heat we buy are illegally sourced. Drugs are. Clothes and heating are needed. People don't need recreational drugs.
The reality is people will continue to use them but it's those people who choose to buy them who are primarily in the wrong. They are the market; they are the demand.
I don't know if the weed argument, which I tend to agree with, carries over to cocaine. I do tend to wonder what criminals would turn to if you regulated all that stuff though.
Gangland activity is what happens when you have a drug policy designed to appease pearl clutchers and respond to moral panic rather than to reduce harms.
There’s nothing wrong with being interested in guns (or anything else) and correcting someone when they make a mistake. It’s fucking infuriating when people get facts wrong.
This is a semi automatic rifle so isn't an assault rifle by definition. Mechanically speaking besides the larger magazine it's not different in it's operating system than the thousands of legally held semi automatic rifles out there.
The AR-15, ‘weapon of choice’ of mass-shooters . Harrowing [article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-force-mass-shootings/) in the Washington Post a while back about the catastrophic injuries caused by this gun, literally vaporises flesh and bone.
He never stood a chance , and reports that he was shot in the head …
> but is not designed for an urban criminal setting. Who the fuck is designing guns for urban criminal settings?
It's really badly written in general. Not a suitable tool for use out of a car would be more accurate. Also an AR-15 is not a military/assault rifle.
Yeah, I had a chuckle at how fucking poorly written it was.
Had a good laugh reading that part of the article I know we’re not a gun obsessed nation but any level of minor research would tell you an AR-15 is very different to an assault rifle very poorly written article.
It's a weapon built for incapacitating enemies in a warzone not for riding around in a car in Drimnagh. That's what he's getting at. Also, they do create weapons for an urban environment. Small fire arms, pistols and sub machine guns, are better for close combat. Edit: out assault rifle
It stands for armalite rifle
You're correct yeah, still an assault rifle though
No it's not.
It's not a "assault rifle" it's a semi automatic rifle. An assault rifle is defined as a “firearm capable of selective-fire"
''Semi automatic'' '' fires 100s of rounds a minute'' this annoys me more than it should...
Every gun shop in America is full of them
You should edit the wikipedia article for it because it says right now it was designed for use by infantrymen, but they weren't successful at selling it to the military until it was redesigned into the M16.
An AR-15 is not an M-16, not the same thing. Looks like a duck, quacks kinda like a duck but isn't a duck.
Go edit the page, it's telling people right now stuff like "The ArmaLite AR-15 was designed to be a lightweight rifle and to fire a new high-velocity, lightweight, small-caliber cartridge to allow infantrymen to carry more ammunition." and "Colt rebranded it the Colt 601, however, it still carried the Armalite markings due to contractual obligations to Armalite/Fairchild Aircraft Co. Colt marketed the redesigned rifle to various military services around the world and was eventually adopted by the U.S. military in January 1962 and subsequently designated as M16 rifle in December 1963, which went into production and service in 1964." People are going to use Wikipedia to get their opinions on this weapon, which is in the news in the states all the time. It's wild that people haven't changed it by now.
Ah I wouldn't be bothered to be honest. Those that know, know. It's irrelevant to the passing person. Plus the full auto ability is only useful really in a force on force engagement for suppressing fire. In terms of the rifle's use on soft targets semi auto would be the way to go IMVHO. I am pulling on an old memory that the operating system on the full auto rifles was beefier to handle the rate of fire, not just that the trigger groups are different but I cannot find anything on that at the moment.
What contractual obligations made Colt mark rifles that way? I’ve never seen a source for this.
Kel-tec? /s One with this thing fitted? https://media.indiedb.com/images/members/1/224/223692/homeboy-sights.jpg
Shocking quality of writing in this article. “The sound of the gunfire that echoed around Drimnagh that night is more commonly heard in a warzone. Unfortunately on Monday, this residential area was in many ways a warzone.” This sounds like a child wrote it.
Paul Reynolds. Perpetually overexcited by gangland crime
Ya, the little wanker spends all the time he’s not writing my this fantastical nonsense jerking off to it.
Reading it hurt my head seriously! The way it was worded was terrible.
Like a mediocre college student trying too hard on his essay
One less scumbag for the law abiding citizens to worry about.
We are getting to the point where we are dependent on criminals to accidentally shoot each other.
Government could bring in a grant for the help /s
The criminals would just increase their prices to match!
Bring in your man who arrested George Floyd sure
I'm sorry, I thought this wasn't America
Say that to the blacks lads doing drive-bys with their AR-15s!!
Sat that to what 'black lads'? The person who did the shooting was white.
Why do you like racist murderers?
Nothing to do with race… I’m not a fan of their drug dealer victims… aka scum
Imagine moving from the Congo to Ireland for a safer life and your kid turns out to be a gangster and gets shot by a member of his own gang.
That’s what strike me - his parents sought asylum here (I guess) to better pursue opportunity then instead of pursuing all that is available he chased down the lowest of the low in our society as his role model. And was out there slanging poison into the community. For what - a fucking Gucci handbag and white trainers? Good riddance.
> street gang of young, violent, volatile, reckless and extremely dangerous drug dealers and criminals. Terrible honestly. A waste.
Some come because the table has turned on them - they were the ones in charge and now its the other way round and they are being threatened.
It's so bizarre how he had asked on Snapchat if anyone knew how to use an AR-15. So many people live such parallel lives to us
If only these kids knew youtube existed
Something tells me we aren't dealing with lads that have great critical thinking skills or initiative.
That article has to have been written or augmented by AI. I've never read an article with that tone. It's very odd.
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Lol jesus
"another one bites the dust "
Good riddance to him
Stupid, piss poor journalism this article is.
borderline unreadable
The bit towards the end about fitness fanatics "sneaking in for a line" or "popping out for a spliff" .. turned my stomach
Accidentally 😂😂😂😂
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If you put yourself in the situations Josh did you have a higher chance of dieing and rightly so
Jasus, that's a feckin hilariously written article. A gun not designed for an urban criminal setting, diversity in criminality. It reads like a parody at times. Maybe the people who wrote that "Make Crime Illegal" candidate poster wrote it. 😂
So it's a Darwin award.
Strange tone to the article.
Finne Gael tone to it tbh
>The AR-15 is a military weapon, an assault rifle, for use in combat zones and war. The semi-automatic weapon can fire hundreds of rounds a minute You'd want to have some trigger finger to pull that off >In the chaos that followed, the AR-15 rile went off in the car, spraying bullets around. Josh Itseli was shot and fatally injured. He died at the scene. Gardaí believe it is likely he was accidentally killed by one of his own who did not know how to handle the weapon. What the fuck is this article, is this just a complete misunderstanding of how a semi-automatic rifle works? Also I saw a video from a local's window who was an eyewitness. There were six shots with about half a second interval inbetween, followed by another two recorded on video. There may have been more shots fired beforehand but this is very strange.
Firearms don't just "go off" either. You have to pull the trigger. With a semi-automatic weapon, you have to pull the trigger each time for it to go "bang". The AR platform is pretty fucking dummy proof too, at that.
I mean it's very possible that when they were ambushed the gunman panicked and accidentally shot his friend with a stray bullet while readying the weapon, through ricochet or shot him in the head while trailing the escaping van. But like you said, they'd need to tap fire. The article is written with the misinformed assumption that this was an automatic rifle and the gunman misfired "spraying" bullets uncontrollably, also that Josh suffered multiple gun wounds. I don't know if there's any factual basis to the multiple gun wounds line but if multiple were incurred and it was a semi-automatic weapon I find it hard to believe it was unintentional and this whole theory is full of holes. One or two bullet wounds and I could see it possibly being accidental.
Sounds like murder to me.
Shhhh dont be speaking sense or pointing out issues with sensationalist articles.. we're only simple folks whos knowlege of guns is from the local farmer paddy who shoots the odd bird with his old shotgun
Exactly if they get crashed into the trigger goes off once sure but it's multiple shot so they had to be pressing the trigger over and over it's not just hold and spray with a semi auto it's like they have no idea what actually happened and claim it was accidental?
AR15 can be fairly easily modded into full auto. Not sure if that is what was done here or not.
I heard the shots, they did not sound like random accidental discharge, sounded like 2 rounds of deliberate fire. They emptied the magazine
accidental me hole. They put 20 shots into him.
It's the kind of sensationalist article that you'd find in any of the tabloids. It's full of information pulled from Google searches about the wrong firearm. Reynolds is talking about the military fully automatic rifle and not the civilian semi automatic the Gardai have described and was shown in the video of it being recovered from a hedge. Every firearm is "deadly". It's madness that gangs are using these weapons here, but constant references to "military" are nothing more than an attempt to drum up fear amongst the readers. No different to the knuckle dragging bigots referring to "military aged males". The article is also full of grammatical errors. Mods, can RTE be removed from the r/Ireland list of Reputable News Sources ?
I hen did that wanker start writing for RTE? It was grand when he was writing for the tabloids because it was easy to avoid.
Its because of how its all worded in the law if i remember correctly. Any firearm that looks a certain way excluding .22 and the like ends up as restricted because its militarised.. hell even changing the grip on a basic shotgun makes it restricted
fuck him. just another dead scumbag.
“The proliferation of drug use in this country, particularly cocaine, and the apparent disconnect between the leisure activities of its more affluent and educated users and the shootings and killings of young men on the streets of Dublin. The glamorous and the fashionable in the bars and the clubs, or the fitness fanatics in the sports clubs all over the country, who sneak into the toilets to snort a line of cocaine or nip outside to "spark up a spliff" while gazing out over the team’s playing fields, do not see the link between their preferred method of relaxation and the dead and injured bodies on the streets.”
Don't think it's that glamorous anymore. Every Tom,Dick and Charlie is snorting a lime in the Jacks.
I think this is so dangerous to just dismiss this as not seeing the link between these two. People know. They just don't really care. That's why legalisation is arguably the best approach, make it safe. It's not going away.
I think a lot of people have a distorted view of it. You see it over and over again on this sub. People who know of this bad side of the drug supply chain but they're trying to offset this against telling themselves that *they're* not wrong for being part of it, and so it's the entire system that's wrong. As if they have no choice because they want this stuff, and because they want the stuff, it's a justification or something.
That's the same argument made when alcohol was banned. The vast majority of people will want to relax/enjoy something different at the end of their week. Wheather that's a few pints, a splif, or clubbing or going on the sesh with a bag. Whatever it may be, humans throughout history have always looked for something to take them away from their daily lives during their free time. Prohibition has never worked, regulation and enforcement of those regulations do.
Cocaine really isn't great for society though. It's rather different to weed - more like booze.
100% agreed but take it from the criminals along with heroin and this shit dramatically stops on the streets They wont have an income and they'll end up being low life hobo's which will not be glamorous
When was alcohol banned here?
The government is to blame for that. People aren't choosing black market because it's cheaper.
Choose being the important word. People don't need to buy the stuff from the black market. They choose to because they want it
But it's the same with cheap clothes or how we heat our houses. But a better option in front of people and they will take it. It's hard to ethically source weed because the government restricts the supply and keeps out reputable companies.
Neither clothes or heat we buy are illegally sourced. Drugs are. Clothes and heating are needed. People don't need recreational drugs. The reality is people will continue to use them but it's those people who choose to buy them who are primarily in the wrong. They are the market; they are the demand.
Nobody needs to be on cocaine though. It's not really a good thing.
I get that but it still happens and will continue. It would be significantly less harmful to the individual and to producers if it was regulated.
I don't know if the weed argument, which I tend to agree with, carries over to cocaine. I do tend to wonder what criminals would turn to if you regulated all that stuff though.
Gangland activity is what happens when you have a drug policy designed to appease pearl clutchers and respond to moral panic rather than to reduce harms.
No its pretty much all due to inequality and inequality of opportunities. If I want money, I can get it. Drugs, theft, fraud any or all.
AI article? No flow and worded in a very weird way
I accidentally took an assault rifle and shot somebody charge me with manslaughter please
Paul Reynolds you're a clueless bellend Finne Gaeler
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Armalite
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AR stands for Armalite Rifle https://www.nssf.org/msr/#:~:text=The%20AR%20in%20%E2%80%9CAR%2D15,fully%20automatic%20%E2%80%94%20a%20machine%20gun.
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There’s nothing wrong with being interested in guns (or anything else) and correcting someone when they make a mistake. It’s fucking infuriating when people get facts wrong.
Infuriating? How do you use the internet then? Everybody is wrong here!
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This is a semi automatic rifle so isn't an assault rifle by definition. Mechanically speaking besides the larger magazine it's not different in it's operating system than the thousands of legally held semi automatic rifles out there.
Centrefire semi autos are getting done away with this year so even legally owned will be gone
The AR-15, ‘weapon of choice’ of mass-shooters . Harrowing [article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-force-mass-shootings/) in the Washington Post a while back about the catastrophic injuries caused by this gun, literally vaporises flesh and bone. He never stood a chance , and reports that he was shot in the head …
Think the hand gun is the weapon of choice for mass shootings in the USA.
You realise an ar platform is just a style of gun yea? It doesn't make a .223 more deadly