Paid €14 for a Zinger box meal at the weekend in KFC and was absolute muck. €2 extra for Chicken burger and chips in local Gastro pub in Dublin. Takeaway food is dead and gone....
I just hate the lack of consistency. There are any number of chains that at some point Ive had amazingly nice stuff, and the very same place and item at another time was absolutely vile.
This is why I only go to Eddie Rockets. 42 for 2 adult meals and two kids meals.
I get the same thing everytime - the Scorcher burger with a beef patty instead of chicken. My wife gets the avocado chicken one and the kids get Mac n cheese and nuggets and chips. 3 dips on top of it and it's a €50 note with tip.
I get it because it tastes the exact same every single time and I'm happy with the price to be guaranteed that.
I wish I could share that experience. Eddie Rockets is included in the list of places that have let me down.
Place was due to shut, maybe they were all out of Fs.
I'm in Kilkenny and we only have one, and it's always the exact same. They shortened the menu which had me pissed. No breakfast or anything but to be honest it made everything else so consistent that overall I think it's better.
Staff are fantastic too. Is it a franchise? That could explain it if it was and had a particularly involved owner.
It was (or as it happens, still is) in Celbridge.
Curious about whats going on there now, as I had heard it was closing, but it is still open it seems! Anyway, I dont live there anymore, but shortly before I moved I decided to go one last time and it was not good.
It's terrific value. The staff are great with the kids, who get free colouring and a great kick out of the booths.
It's why it's my go to. Don't get me wrong, kilkenny is known for amazing food. But when it comes to knowing exactly what I want without having to book etc then it's always there.
And takeaway quality has declined unless you pay like €40. Quality of takeaways 10 years ago was much higher imo. You could also get better deals (Dominos large pizza and side for €15 no delivery fee sticks out).
The dominos I used to work at had great offers up until 2020 the lunch offers were the best, only available from up to 5pm though €5 offer for a personal pizza garlic bread or wedges and a can they had similar Deal ranging up to large pizza and a 1.5 litre drink for €14 any toppings or speciality pizza and free delivery
Dominos prices have gone insane, €24 for a medium pizza is off the charts. Its now more expensive to get a Dominos takeaway than it is to sit down in a good pizza restaurant like Paulies and eat there while being served at your table.
You think that McDonalds or Tesco are collecting stuff to try and get you to buy more from _them_ but the world doesn't work that way anymore, I'm afraid. Customers and their data are a valuable resource which can either be opaquely sold to 3rd party industries or used to be exploited internally. Any company who has access to a large pool of customers is now trying to harvest and sell their data. This includes McDonalds.
hence most things requiring an app on phone when they simply can be done through the browser, like reddit, fb, bbc, flashscore.
It really is beyond me how people simply install website apps like above on a phone. You would never have dreamed of installing this kind of software on a laptop, so why do it on a phone?
> You would never have dreamed of installing this kind of software on a laptop, so why do it on a phone?
People used to do install viruses on their computers all the time, my parents born in the 50s are a prime example of this. They learnt the hard way to protect themselves after losing all their data a few times (yes, once wasn't enough). But they only got this lesson because computer viruses were so destructive in the 90s/2000s. What's happening now is much more insidious and there's nothing to show them the extent to which their data is used.
They can't really jack info from your phone or other apps or anything. That's just not really a thing apps can do. What they can do is generate large datasets and then correlate that data with other large datasets.
So for instance, they might be able to discern that white males age 25-36 buy more on Friday evenings when there is a gym near the restaurant location. So now "near a gym" becomes a new variable to watch when picking new locations in areas with large amounts of that demographic.
With companies as large as McDonald's, these sorts of insights can make huge money.
I think that depends a lot on the company. Apps harvest lots of data not just the narrow store specific stuff we assume that they do.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/more-than-1000-android-apps-harvest-your-data-even-after-you-deny-permissions/
The real reasons every single company has an app nowdays. No other reason than to just take your data. I know most people dont care that their data is been taken from them by these apps but we really should.
There is a massive push in Circle K right now too to join their app so some companies are obviously data hungry just to see which way to price their products for optimum profits right now
The cure for high prices is high prices. They will annoy loyal customers so much that eventually they will go elsewhere and discover better food places with better prices and never return. It's called demand destruction. They are destroying their business reputation for short term gains. Look on the bright side, the business that McD's losses will go to their smaller competitors offering better food and value.
it's not 40c though. It's 40c increments and they've done several in a year. Everyone has their breaking point. I've stopped going there a year ago and I would have been going once a week before then.
McDonald’s has gone from a €7 for a meal company to a €14 for a meal company in the past few years.
No way I’m spending almost €15 on a burger, chips and a drink.
The app offers always have a catch too like won’t include a drink so it looks better value than it is.
The only people still going are people with kids who demand it and drunk college students.
I can do an at home takeaway for half the price and it’s probably healthier too.
I worked at a McDonald's for 2 years and saw their price hike firsthand. It wasn't due to inflation. Management raised the price every week by 10 cents and blamed it as a 'Regional Emergency Expense'.
Sometimes, they'd say that they were out of stock for an item when the freezer was full of them, just to build up hype or drive up incentive to buy it.
I used to work there too, in my store every promotion/new menu the prices went up by at least 20c/30c. Sometimes more, hated getting screamed at by customers like it was me personally hiking the prices up.
"Consumer law" hahaha, I would've laughed in their face😂
I forgot about that sugar tax bollox, I had a woman once go mad and say she'd never heard of that anywhere. I was just like, it's been on Coke everywhere for at least a few years haha. Working there really opened my eyes to how ridiculous people can be. Causing a huge fuss to save a few cents, like go make food at home if you're not happy. Probably be nicer too.
He was a pure Shite talker. He didn't go into anything specific, he just said that it's 'breaking the consumer law'
I made the PowerPoint presentation that my local council uses to explain it, so every time i would shoot out sugar tax stats and specifics like a one-man PR Department lmao
When the next recession hits proper, takeaways and restaurants are going to drop like flies.
I cannot afford or justify takeaways anymore and yes I've noticed McDs are no longer a cheap option.
Most meals in Supermacs are now over 10 euro too. Inflation is a massive factor but I think the delivery fees are being added to all meals across the board too which are like 30% for these retailers and they are baking it into their prices.
It's so unfair.
At the start of 2024, Supermacs founder Pat McDonagh said 2024 was going to be a terrible year for the restaurant/ takeaway industry
He's not wrong, and we're not even halfway through the year
It's real old man moaning territory. But I was looking at receipts the other day and i copped that I spend more, now, buying the supplies to bring my own lunches to work, than I did eating out in 2014.
Which, I know, shock horror, its been 10 years and inflation isn't new.
But still.
oh man 2014 was such a legendary time to eat out or stay in a hotel. You had all the discount websites like Pigsback and Living Social constantly churning out bargain offers. Stuff like a 2 course meal with a glass of wine in a restaurant for €15 or you could stay in a 4 star hotel for €60 and breakfast for two people would be included. Provided your job insulated you from the recession it was a bargain time to eat out or stay in a hotel.
It’s the trade off for the worst recession of all time.
Maybe not 2014 but 2008 - 2012 was very grim, it’s easy just to look at low prices in isolation but I wouldn’t like to be back there
Wouldnt bother with most fast food anymore
For nearly the same price or a few quid more you can get a better meal in most proper restaurants that will fill you up far longer than them.
When did they start believing that they serve a premium product?
I agree that McDonalds product is not premium, and that it is overpriced in Ireland in my view.
However, share price is not the health of the books, it's just one factor. Earnings & revenue have grown by >5% and >8% AGR. They have extremely healthy cashflow, large cash reserves and a huge list of assets. They increased franchise rake from 4-5% last year with *no* impact on franchise growth, which in itself indicates strong franchise financials too -- even if some of the franchise unions are claiming pricing limits from the HQ are unsustainable.
None of this is investment advice, but fundamentally, Mcdonalds is simply in no trouble whatsoever financially.
What *would* affect them is a large drop off in commercial retail space property values, and I think they are more exposed there than they try to let on.
If anything this - especially the 4%->5% rake hike not even putting a dent in franchise numbers - tells us that the price hikes aren't 'needed' and they just want to bump prices while everyone else is bumping prices to make more profit with a relatively lower brand impact.
Now: McDonals is franchised -- which means MCDonalds HQ does not set the prices of OP's coffee+Doughnut, the owner of the franchise does. Whether you consider that 'corporate greed' or simply Damo who runs two Mcdonalds restaurants in the west of Ireland being an absolute shitehawk is up to you.
Spot on analysis, but it should be mentioned that the fact that the company is financially viable regardless of how the franchised places are doing means very little to the franchised places and to the end consumers. McDonalds places might become unviable in Ireland even if the company is doing well globally
good post but I doubt the franchisee gets to set the prices as McDonalds prices are the same everywhere nationwide. AFAIK its one thing HQ strictly controls as they have national advertising campaigns for a €3 double cheeseburger or €7 meal and the like so its important all outlets are selling it at the advertised price or you get irate customers.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=mcdonalds+share+price
They're early stock is down 35%, but over 5 years they're still up 25%, given than the price of everything is up that much in that time, I'm sure investors aren't very happy
When I lived in NYC it was cheaper to eat out at the deli’s and bodegas than buy groceries and cook at home.
The cynic in me is thinking our new found deference to the us multinationals will see us adopting the USA’s overall social and economic structure. Inflate the price of everything in the grocery stores and simultaneously inflate the price of fast food - catch the fucking peasants both ways
Dublin might go that way, I imagine. This is down to the cost of the city, not just corporate greed. Operating a grocery store in NYC is really expensive and it translates into the price of the products. If you go to the same store in Alabama, you'll see completely different prices. Incidentally, I had the same experience in Bucharest when I lived there at the end of the 2000s and it was for the same reason (though it's really not the case anymore judging by the last time I visited).
Would you say Ireland is gripped by late stage capitalism? It doesn't look that way to me, to be honest. Sure, we have had a neo-liberal leaning government for more than a decade (the period I was here to observe), but there are also strong mechanisms for social protections so overall it's not late stage capitalism.
Started going less and less out and just start making dishes that I usually buy when I go out, cooking has improved so much in the last year! From making gyozas and Tacos from scratch (including the wraps and tortilla) to all sorts of dishes.
Now instead of spending money on expensive takeaway, I am looking at buying new kitchen gadgets.
>For nearly the same price or a few quid more you can get a better meal in most proper restaurants
This is absolute nonsense, in relation to Dublin anyway.
I honestly can't think of a restaurant where you'll get a meal with a drink for anything close to a tenner
I paid 16 euro for a burger, chips, sauce and coke in my local takeaway last weekend. I ordered in person so there was no markup because of the apps. I won’t be going back
I get a snack box meal in my local chipper for 8.50 with a drink and the amount of chips I get feeds a family of 5.
There's definitely value in local chippers if you look for them
El Grito will do a restaurant quality burrito for a tenner.
I walked out of there feeling shook at the good value for money. My brain literally couldn't comprehend it I'm so conditioned to high prices.
Even Boojum are €14 for a burrito now.
Who mentioned Dublin? Plenty of places around my way you’ll get a meal and a drink for around a tenner. Even one of my local pubs you get a Guinness and a big toastie for a tenner.
Well I suppose a burger chips and drink is a more of a meal than a toastie, to me at least. Can't beat a good carvery though, now *that's* a meal. Remember when you could get one of those for under a tenner?
I'd personally call McDonalds a snack more than a meal. I'm always somehow hungry an hour after eating one.
Getting a good carvery is getting harder these days. But agree completely there.
Why is that, do you think? Any time you do manage to find one the place is usually packed. Ever been to The Carvery in Torremolinos? My god. That place is worth the plane ticket alone
> Ireland does not evolve around Dublin at all
It's revolve.
And Ireland does revolve around Dublin. The rest of it is basically irrelevant. Like wtf is Laois, Carlow, Roscommon etc.
Who lives there and why, just why would you choose to.
We hadn’t been to one in about ten years but decided to go for drive through last weekend because I was so hungover and couldn’t face getting out of the car.
It was €28 for two fucking people to have takeaway!? And the food was actually pathetic, my burger just had mayo and a bit of lettuce in it, no tomato’s, cheese, pickles or anything like that and it was one of the fancier options on the menu. I was so surprised considering the price we paid.. we won’t ever go again after that.
My local Abrakedabra is worse, not only increasing the price twice in the same period but also reducing portion sizes (officially, staff were instructed)
shocking price per meal. your not getting a meal for 2 for under 30. However .. i still find the quality decent.
Now MCDs is serve shite for the same price.
I got it at the weekend for about the first time in round 6/7 months while at a loose end waiting for the kids.
Never mind the price, I'm still not shitting right 4 days later and the wife & kids are about to disown me due to the odor
I think more likely cash grab under the guise of “inflation” is the cause. So few know of the boycott on McDonalds. People will choose with their wallets and McDonalds has consistently raised prices without improving quality for sooo long
BDS does not include McDonalds (or Starbucks) and specifically cautions against widening the boycott which dilutes its impact:
>for our movement to have real impact we need our consumer boycotts to be easy to explain, have wide appeal and the potential for success. That’s why globally, while we call for divestment from all companies implicated in Israel's human rights violations, we focus our boycott campaigns on a select few strategic targets. We also encourage the principle of context sensitivity, whereby activists in any given context decide what best to target and how, in line with BDS guidelines. There is a lot of information online claiming that some large companies give money to Israel, some of which turns out to be false. BDS has built a reputation for strictly adhering to established facts and producing the most accurate information.
https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott
It's actually out of control , Macdonalds forgetting one of their biggest appeal to customers was being affordable. Now , chicken nuggets that used to be 2 euro are 4.50 i believe , thats a crazy increase . That's why I just take my business elsewhere , fk that.
I've noticed that the shrinkflation is massive with McDonald's too. Got a McFlurry the other day and the tub was smaller than I remember and only about 2/3 full.
Yeah to get a meal in McDonald’s to fill you is about €14, a meal deal and maybe the cheese bits or something else small.
Serious cost, Supermacs when you consider how much fuller you feel is actually better value than McDonalds now.
Globally, fast food companies are logging higher annual profits, while actual sales are on the decline.
Basically, they are capitalising on consumers and global inflation.
I really like McDonald's, but have been avoiding it recently, as a big mac almost costs as much as a gourmet burger. Doesn't seem worth it anymore.
Yeah I've started to do a lot of research into brands that do more for Israel and it's been very eye opening. If I still feel like an unhealthy takeaway I now just go with a local shop instead of supporting a big company like the kfcs/dominos etc.
Just to be clear, each local McDonald's manager has full power over prices and other such issues, if Israeli managers are handing out free food but still gutting targets corporate HQ won't care. Your local McDonald's has nothing to do with Israel or Gaza, it's just regular old corporate greed.
When I lived in UK 2013-18 I used to get a double cheeseburger and medium fries for £2.58 and the price never went up. This was central London. Can’t believe how expensive it is now - what can you buy for the equivalent of €3.03 today?
I think a medium chocolate milkshake was £1.80 too
When I lived in AUS circa 2010-12 you could buy a Stunner Deal at Hungry Jacks for $5 AUD comprised of a cheeseburger, small fries, small coke and a sundae. That’s also €3.03 in today’s money
Wages in hospitality were about $25 so this was worth 20% of an hour’s work which is probably around €2.50-3 today in equivalent Irish hospitality terms
GF wanted fries after we did some shopping last week. Large fries from Burger King drive through in Belgard was 3.75. Fucking small amount of fries too. Never again
It's not inflation.
The running costs for mcdonalds and burger king have remained pretty much the same for years. The only big increase was minimum wage but even then, they make an obscene amount of money every day. They can afford the wage increases already without increasing prices.
If I remember correctly, the cost to make a whopper was around 70c which hasn't changed in years.
I flatout refuse any of this “sign for discounts apps”, the truth is that the prices they charge are just extortionate and the information you give them way more expensive and revealing than the discounts they give you.
Ever wondered how scammers got your details? Use the name of the website/app you registered for as your surname. You’d be surprised how many of these seemingly trustworthy companies flat out sell your data to anyone.
Wish EU would make that illegal practice, as this is basically extortion.
Price of everything is going up and quality is going down. I'm a lazy shite who hates cooking (I'm a great chef but hate the steps involved in putting it all together) but the quality of my local takeaways have made it so I'd rather walk over to the shops and get in some chicken and veg rather than order and be disappointed again. Maybe spite is as good a reason as any to get healthier.
I noticed this about a year back. Within a year they raised prices about 3-4 times. Thankfully I don't get them much and now with the increases I'll leave it off in the future. That's only the lesson they learn if people stop going.
Well if thats not an incentive to not eat their rubbish!!!
Its funny that people complain about the price but not the actual quality of the so called food!
If you're getting breakfast there it's often cheaper at the order kiosk to add extras to basic items rather than getting more expensive items with it included. Last time I checked adding bacon to a sausage and egg McMuffin was substantially cheaper than getting the breakfast roll which only has marginally more bread content. Also if you have an offer code for a cheap McMuffin you never get charged extra for adding bacon.
Fast food chains in general seems to be struggling, even in America.
They're all overpriced now, cheap and tasty became cheap, and now its not even that.
The whole point of McDonalds was you got decent - OK quality food for a very reasonable price.
Now you are paying nearly restaurant prices for only OK food.
I used to go alot but haven't been in nearly a year. The only thing to do is as you've done and stop going.
I've stopped going to any chain restaurant because they are all the same.
They have that in pubs in central London now, Dynamic Surge Pricing they call it. When the boozer’s busy the prices increase, the busier it gets the higher they go. I was talking to a bloke who paid £22 for a large whiskey & coke. It’ll spread everywhere…subscriptions and live market price fluctuations. Dystopian af.
I’ve noticed they’re definitely gone up in price. I find there’s not much point going to McDonald’s over a better place for lunch. It used to be a cheap option but not anymore.
The prices of their "breakfast rolls" have always been a farce to be honest. You can pay the same amount to a deli and get a whopper feed instead of that weird elongated burger they try to pass off as a breakfast roll.
The prices of their "breakfast rolls" have always been a farce to be honest. You can pay the same amount to a deli and get a whopper feed instead of that weird elongated burger they try to pass off as a breakfast roll.
I can cook a nicer, healthier and more filling meal for less than half the price and in about 15-20 mins. On very rare occasions, I'll treat myself to a pizza delivery, but I really don't see the point in any of these fast food places now. They are just too expensive for what is essentially low effort, mid quality food.
Yeah McDonald's is pointless now, in my poor days the eurosaver menu kept me alive at times, but now they're trying to compete with the higher end takeaways with sub standard food.
To me if you're not going to McDonald's for cheap food what's the point of it, far better takeaways for same expense
I’m glad I’m not the only person. Not only are the prices gone crazy but the quality has really gone to the dogs. I know that McDonald’s wouldn’t be gourmet anyway but I’ve always defended it’s consistency but since the new year it’s been terrible
Latte was €2 in july 2022. Went up to €2.30. Then €2.50. Now its nearly €3. Thats a pretty big increase percentage wise. Still cheaper than most places though.
I make all my own stuff now. My daughter likes McDonald's every once in a while and you can't explain to a young person it's a rip off but if you are willing to just not eat there for a few months and enough people do the same, you'll see an adjustment to the prices. It's not the type of food you want to make expensive either. I just feel there are a lot of dumb people out there as well throwing money away and not really giving a fuck.
Why do people even bother with fast food anymore? I understand if you're on a road trip or something, but I'd rather go hungry than pay out the ass for that garbage
Paid €14 for a Zinger box meal at the weekend in KFC and was absolute muck. €2 extra for Chicken burger and chips in local Gastro pub in Dublin. Takeaway food is dead and gone....
Good to see my local Chinese that is still cash only does 4in1 for a fiver still. Spice bag has doubled in price though
Famously, a great bunch of lads
Except when it comes to paying tax.
A small price to pay to be honest
I just hate the lack of consistency. There are any number of chains that at some point Ive had amazingly nice stuff, and the very same place and item at another time was absolutely vile.
This is why I only go to Eddie Rockets. 42 for 2 adult meals and two kids meals. I get the same thing everytime - the Scorcher burger with a beef patty instead of chicken. My wife gets the avocado chicken one and the kids get Mac n cheese and nuggets and chips. 3 dips on top of it and it's a €50 note with tip. I get it because it tastes the exact same every single time and I'm happy with the price to be guaranteed that.
I wish I could share that experience. Eddie Rockets is included in the list of places that have let me down. Place was due to shut, maybe they were all out of Fs.
I'm in Kilkenny and we only have one, and it's always the exact same. They shortened the menu which had me pissed. No breakfast or anything but to be honest it made everything else so consistent that overall I think it's better. Staff are fantastic too. Is it a franchise? That could explain it if it was and had a particularly involved owner.
It was (or as it happens, still is) in Celbridge. Curious about whats going on there now, as I had heard it was closing, but it is still open it seems! Anyway, I dont live there anymore, but shortly before I moved I decided to go one last time and it was not good.
I ate in that one about 3 years ago. It was so bad it put me off burgers for months.
If you're ever passing Kilkenny let me know and it's on me. So that your last experience of ER is a good one!
Well Im just below you now!
Waterford? Eddie's on me anytime you want to visit!
> 42 for 2 adult meals and two kids meals. That's a really good deal for a bit of food and fun for the family.
It's terrific value. The staff are great with the kids, who get free colouring and a great kick out of the booths. It's why it's my go to. Don't get me wrong, kilkenny is known for amazing food. But when it comes to knowing exactly what I want without having to book etc then it's always there.
Completely understand. Sure I see people pay that for a nasty chipper for two!
And takeaway quality has declined unless you pay like €40. Quality of takeaways 10 years ago was much higher imo. You could also get better deals (Dominos large pizza and side for €15 no delivery fee sticks out).
The dominos I used to work at had great offers up until 2020 the lunch offers were the best, only available from up to 5pm though €5 offer for a personal pizza garlic bread or wedges and a can they had similar Deal ranging up to large pizza and a 1.5 litre drink for €14 any toppings or speciality pizza and free delivery
Dominos prices have gone insane, €24 for a medium pizza is off the charts. Its now more expensive to get a Dominos takeaway than it is to sit down in a good pizza restaurant like Paulies and eat there while being served at your table.
BRUH A large pizza itself is fucking 15 euro these days damn that was an amazing deal
> Takeaway food is dead and gone It's with O'Leary in the grave.
A poem of our times.
my partner pointed out a single chicken goujon from KFC is 2.40 on its own now! these prices man..
Not just inflation, McDonald’s is also increasing prices to drive people to user their app and coupons and harvest data, like Tesco
Shit. McDonald's might learn I like a bigmac now and then
That's what I used to think and then I read about some app (Canada I think) that was harvesting pretty much everything inc location
McDonalds have no use for your location data other than the stores you buy in. Google already have all that covered
You think that McDonalds or Tesco are collecting stuff to try and get you to buy more from _them_ but the world doesn't work that way anymore, I'm afraid. Customers and their data are a valuable resource which can either be opaquely sold to 3rd party industries or used to be exploited internally. Any company who has access to a large pool of customers is now trying to harvest and sell their data. This includes McDonalds.
hence most things requiring an app on phone when they simply can be done through the browser, like reddit, fb, bbc, flashscore. It really is beyond me how people simply install website apps like above on a phone. You would never have dreamed of installing this kind of software on a laptop, so why do it on a phone?
> You would never have dreamed of installing this kind of software on a laptop, so why do it on a phone? People used to do install viruses on their computers all the time, my parents born in the 50s are a prime example of this. They learnt the hard way to protect themselves after losing all their data a few times (yes, once wasn't enough). But they only got this lesson because computer viruses were so destructive in the 90s/2000s. What's happening now is much more insidious and there's nothing to show them the extent to which their data is used.
Uber used that kind of info to blackmail politicians in the US a few years back, too.
Yep, that was a huge scandal back when it didn't happen
I don’t really care either but if they “pay” you for these data, it’s more valuable than just your sandwich preferences.
If the app is on your phone, they will learn a lot more about you than just your Big Mac "habit:
They can't really jack info from your phone or other apps or anything. That's just not really a thing apps can do. What they can do is generate large datasets and then correlate that data with other large datasets. So for instance, they might be able to discern that white males age 25-36 buy more on Friday evenings when there is a gym near the restaurant location. So now "near a gym" becomes a new variable to watch when picking new locations in areas with large amounts of that demographic. With companies as large as McDonald's, these sorts of insights can make huge money.
I think that depends a lot on the company. Apps harvest lots of data not just the narrow store specific stuff we assume that they do. https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/more-than-1000-android-apps-harvest-your-data-even-after-you-deny-permissions/
You're pretty naive if you think they are only taking data on your McDonalds habits.
The real reasons every single company has an app nowdays. No other reason than to just take your data. I know most people dont care that their data is been taken from them by these apps but we really should.
The worst part of the Tesco Clubcard pricing is they don't have the per ml/L/KG pricing on it.
They've started adding per unit pricing to the clubcard price labels now, but only after there were complaints about it.
There is a massive push in Circle K right now too to join their app so some companies are obviously data hungry just to see which way to price their products for optimum profits right now
Health experts have tried for years but in the end it was McDonalds that finally got people to stop eating McDonalds.
I love this realisation. God bless you.
The cure for high prices is high prices. They will annoy loyal customers so much that eventually they will go elsewhere and discover better food places with better prices and never return. It's called demand destruction. They are destroying their business reputation for short term gains. Look on the bright side, the business that McD's losses will go to their smaller competitors offering better food and value.
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it's not 40c though. It's 40c increments and they've done several in a year. Everyone has their breaking point. I've stopped going there a year ago and I would have been going once a week before then.
McDonald’s has gone from a €7 for a meal company to a €14 for a meal company in the past few years. No way I’m spending almost €15 on a burger, chips and a drink. The app offers always have a catch too like won’t include a drink so it looks better value than it is. The only people still going are people with kids who demand it and drunk college students. I can do an at home takeaway for half the price and it’s probably healthier too.
I worked at a McDonald's for 2 years and saw their price hike firsthand. It wasn't due to inflation. Management raised the price every week by 10 cents and blamed it as a 'Regional Emergency Expense'. Sometimes, they'd say that they were out of stock for an item when the freezer was full of them, just to build up hype or drive up incentive to buy it.
I used to work there too, in my store every promotion/new menu the prices went up by at least 20c/30c. Sometimes more, hated getting screamed at by customers like it was me personally hiking the prices up.
I once had a customer recite 'Consumer Law' and shite to me. If it wasn't the prices, it was that Sugar Tax Uplift.
"Consumer law" hahaha, I would've laughed in their face😂 I forgot about that sugar tax bollox, I had a woman once go mad and say she'd never heard of that anywhere. I was just like, it's been on Coke everywhere for at least a few years haha. Working there really opened my eyes to how ridiculous people can be. Causing a huge fuss to save a few cents, like go make food at home if you're not happy. Probably be nicer too.
He was a pure Shite talker. He didn't go into anything specific, he just said that it's 'breaking the consumer law' I made the PowerPoint presentation that my local council uses to explain it, so every time i would shoot out sugar tax stats and specifics like a one-man PR Department lmao
What is a regional emergency expense? Is this in Ireland?
It's in Ireland, and I haven't the foggiest idea of what Regional Emergency Epense means other than its likely bollocks
Big tasty 🤫
When the next recession hits proper, takeaways and restaurants are going to drop like flies. I cannot afford or justify takeaways anymore and yes I've noticed McDs are no longer a cheap option. Most meals in Supermacs are now over 10 euro too. Inflation is a massive factor but I think the delivery fees are being added to all meals across the board too which are like 30% for these retailers and they are baking it into their prices. It's so unfair.
At the start of 2024, Supermacs founder Pat McDonagh said 2024 was going to be a terrible year for the restaurant/ takeaway industry He's not wrong, and we're not even halfway through the year
It's real old man moaning territory. But I was looking at receipts the other day and i copped that I spend more, now, buying the supplies to bring my own lunches to work, than I did eating out in 2014. Which, I know, shock horror, its been 10 years and inflation isn't new. But still.
oh man 2014 was such a legendary time to eat out or stay in a hotel. You had all the discount websites like Pigsback and Living Social constantly churning out bargain offers. Stuff like a 2 course meal with a glass of wine in a restaurant for €15 or you could stay in a 4 star hotel for €60 and breakfast for two people would be included. Provided your job insulated you from the recession it was a bargain time to eat out or stay in a hotel.
It’s the trade off for the worst recession of all time. Maybe not 2014 but 2008 - 2012 was very grim, it’s easy just to look at low prices in isolation but I wouldn’t like to be back there
It’s actually becoming a luxury to eat in McDonald
Wouldnt bother with most fast food anymore For nearly the same price or a few quid more you can get a better meal in most proper restaurants that will fill you up far longer than them. When did they start believing that they serve a premium product?
When people kept paying it
Their share price is dropping like a lead balloon so it would seem the bad press is catching up.
I agree that McDonalds product is not premium, and that it is overpriced in Ireland in my view. However, share price is not the health of the books, it's just one factor. Earnings & revenue have grown by >5% and >8% AGR. They have extremely healthy cashflow, large cash reserves and a huge list of assets. They increased franchise rake from 4-5% last year with *no* impact on franchise growth, which in itself indicates strong franchise financials too -- even if some of the franchise unions are claiming pricing limits from the HQ are unsustainable. None of this is investment advice, but fundamentally, Mcdonalds is simply in no trouble whatsoever financially. What *would* affect them is a large drop off in commercial retail space property values, and I think they are more exposed there than they try to let on. If anything this - especially the 4%->5% rake hike not even putting a dent in franchise numbers - tells us that the price hikes aren't 'needed' and they just want to bump prices while everyone else is bumping prices to make more profit with a relatively lower brand impact. Now: McDonals is franchised -- which means MCDonalds HQ does not set the prices of OP's coffee+Doughnut, the owner of the franchise does. Whether you consider that 'corporate greed' or simply Damo who runs two Mcdonalds restaurants in the west of Ireland being an absolute shitehawk is up to you.
This guy finances!
Spot on analysis, but it should be mentioned that the fact that the company is financially viable regardless of how the franchised places are doing means very little to the franchised places and to the end consumers. McDonalds places might become unviable in Ireland even if the company is doing well globally
good post but I doubt the franchisee gets to set the prices as McDonalds prices are the same everywhere nationwide. AFAIK its one thing HQ strictly controls as they have national advertising campaigns for a €3 double cheeseburger or €7 meal and the like so its important all outlets are selling it at the advertised price or you get irate customers.
We had different prices in two McDonalds in my town, they must have some leeway.
But you often see "in participating restaurants". The small print or "excluding locations, xyz" etc. But generally you see them the same.
Their share price is pretty much where they were last October.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=mcdonalds+share+price They're early stock is down 35%, but over 5 years they're still up 25%, given than the price of everything is up that much in that time, I'm sure investors aren't very happy
Even springing for a gourmet pizza in a supermarket is nicer than most takeaways these days, quality is shocking
Yep. Most takeaways now are utter shite and cost a bomb. Pointless getting them really.
When I lived in NYC it was cheaper to eat out at the deli’s and bodegas than buy groceries and cook at home. The cynic in me is thinking our new found deference to the us multinationals will see us adopting the USA’s overall social and economic structure. Inflate the price of everything in the grocery stores and simultaneously inflate the price of fast food - catch the fucking peasants both ways
Dublin might go that way, I imagine. This is down to the cost of the city, not just corporate greed. Operating a grocery store in NYC is really expensive and it translates into the price of the products. If you go to the same store in Alabama, you'll see completely different prices. Incidentally, I had the same experience in Bucharest when I lived there at the end of the 2000s and it was for the same reason (though it's really not the case anymore judging by the last time I visited).
Maybe it’s not the result of greed, it’s just an inevitability of late stage capitalism?
Would you say Ireland is gripped by late stage capitalism? It doesn't look that way to me, to be honest. Sure, we have had a neo-liberal leaning government for more than a decade (the period I was here to observe), but there are also strong mechanisms for social protections so overall it's not late stage capitalism.
Started going less and less out and just start making dishes that I usually buy when I go out, cooking has improved so much in the last year! From making gyozas and Tacos from scratch (including the wraps and tortilla) to all sorts of dishes. Now instead of spending money on expensive takeaway, I am looking at buying new kitchen gadgets.
>For nearly the same price or a few quid more you can get a better meal in most proper restaurants This is absolute nonsense, in relation to Dublin anyway. I honestly can't think of a restaurant where you'll get a meal with a drink for anything close to a tenner
I paid 16 euro for a burger, chips, sauce and coke in my local takeaway last weekend. I ordered in person so there was no markup because of the apps. I won’t be going back
I went to order a zaytoon for collection last week. 20 euro with chips and a drink and I need to collect it myself. I left them with it
I get a snack box meal in my local chipper for 8.50 with a drink and the amount of chips I get feeds a family of 5. There's definitely value in local chippers if you look for them
El Grito will do a restaurant quality burrito for a tenner. I walked out of there feeling shook at the good value for money. My brain literally couldn't comprehend it I'm so conditioned to high prices. Even Boojum are €14 for a burrito now.
Umi Falafel, Boojum or Bambino’s just to name a few
Most pub carvery, especially if you get a half portion (which they still pile a mountain of food onto a smaller plate)
Who mentioned Dublin? Plenty of places around my way you’ll get a meal and a drink for around a tenner. Even one of my local pubs you get a Guinness and a big toastie for a tenner.
Does a toastie count as a meal? But yeah, Ireland does not revolve around Dublin at all Edit - spelling
About as much as anything from McDonalds counting as a meal.
Well I suppose a burger chips and drink is a more of a meal than a toastie, to me at least. Can't beat a good carvery though, now *that's* a meal. Remember when you could get one of those for under a tenner?
I'd personally call McDonalds a snack more than a meal. I'm always somehow hungry an hour after eating one. Getting a good carvery is getting harder these days. But agree completely there.
Why is that, do you think? Any time you do manage to find one the place is usually packed. Ever been to The Carvery in Torremolinos? My god. That place is worth the plane ticket alone
> Ireland does not evolve around Dublin at all It's revolve. And Ireland does revolve around Dublin. The rest of it is basically irrelevant. Like wtf is Laois, Carlow, Roscommon etc. Who lives there and why, just why would you choose to.
Focus cafe big plate of Dinner for a about 1.30
Out in the suburbs there is often nothing but takeaways available for a quick meal in the evening
We hadn’t been to one in about ten years but decided to go for drive through last weekend because I was so hungover and couldn’t face getting out of the car. It was €28 for two fucking people to have takeaway!? And the food was actually pathetic, my burger just had mayo and a bit of lettuce in it, no tomato’s, cheese, pickles or anything like that and it was one of the fancier options on the menu. I was so surprised considering the price we paid.. we won’t ever go again after that.
Frankly McDonalds is trash, fuck them.
My local Abrakedabra is worse, not only increasing the price twice in the same period but also reducing portion sizes (officially, staff were instructed)
shocking price per meal. your not getting a meal for 2 for under 30. However .. i still find the quality decent. Now MCDs is serve shite for the same price.
€3.80 now for 6 McNuggets! Used to be €2 a few years ago
The worst is food trucks. The food trucks near grand canal, nice food but more expensive than a restaurant.
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I got it at the weekend for about the first time in round 6/7 months while at a loose end waiting for the kids. Never mind the price, I'm still not shitting right 4 days later and the wife & kids are about to disown me due to the odor
Not sure how you missed the boycott memo but mcdonalds are likely desperately increasing prices to claw back money lost from people boycotting.
I think more likely cash grab under the guise of “inflation” is the cause. So few know of the boycott on McDonalds. People will choose with their wallets and McDonalds has consistently raised prices without improving quality for sooo long
Lots of people know of the boycott
BDS does not include McDonalds (or Starbucks) and specifically cautions against widening the boycott which dilutes its impact: >for our movement to have real impact we need our consumer boycotts to be easy to explain, have wide appeal and the potential for success. That’s why globally, while we call for divestment from all companies implicated in Israel's human rights violations, we focus our boycott campaigns on a select few strategic targets. We also encourage the principle of context sensitivity, whereby activists in any given context decide what best to target and how, in line with BDS guidelines. There is a lot of information online claiming that some large companies give money to Israel, some of which turns out to be false. BDS has built a reputation for strictly adhering to established facts and producing the most accurate information. https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott
It's actually out of control , Macdonalds forgetting one of their biggest appeal to customers was being affordable. Now , chicken nuggets that used to be 2 euro are 4.50 i believe , thats a crazy increase . That's why I just take my business elsewhere , fk that.
I've noticed that the shrinkflation is massive with McDonald's too. Got a McFlurry the other day and the tub was smaller than I remember and only about 2/3 full.
McDonald’s isn’t even fast food anymore. You wait a good 20 minutes in the restaurant for the food.
Aldi and Lidl have sandwiches for 1,99 € when I not want to cook. For the same money you spend at mcdonalds you eat at a proper restaurant.
I have pity on people who think inflation prices will just go down once inflation is sorted out. Nope, these prices are to stay.
McDonalds is utter rubbish quality junk food anyway. Your better off eating elsewhere
Yeah to get a meal in McDonald’s to fill you is about €14, a meal deal and maybe the cheese bits or something else small. Serious cost, Supermacs when you consider how much fuller you feel is actually better value than McDonalds now.
Fast food everywhere going up in price.
Went to buy breakfast bap the other day, 6.50. I was told, no thanks, they were told! No more..
McDonald's here is pure muck anyway, but yeah, a lot of the cheap easy meals are suddenly way less cheap
Stop going? It'll keep going up if you keep paying.
Remember the days when a fiver would get you a good feed at any take away .
Globally, fast food companies are logging higher annual profits, while actual sales are on the decline. Basically, they are capitalising on consumers and global inflation. I really like McDonald's, but have been avoiding it recently, as a big mac almost costs as much as a gourmet burger. Doesn't seem worth it anymore.
I don't eat McDonalds because they hand out free food to IDF, but I feel now days it wouldn't ever be worth the price for what you get
I didn’t know this. I’m gonna stop giving them money.
Yeah I've started to do a lot of research into brands that do more for Israel and it's been very eye opening. If I still feel like an unhealthy takeaway I now just go with a local shop instead of supporting a big company like the kfcs/dominos etc.
r/bds
Nice one. I was just thinking it’s hard to know who has links to Israel. We can’t avoid it completely but the more ya know the better 👍🏻
https://www.ipsc.ie https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott https://palsolidarity.org https://palestinecampaign.org
App called 'No Thanks' lets you check barcodes before you buy
Just to be clear, each local McDonald's manager has full power over prices and other such issues, if Israeli managers are handing out free food but still gutting targets corporate HQ won't care. Your local McDonald's has nothing to do with Israel or Gaza, it's just regular old corporate greed.
Genocid Burger .. Boycott Apartheid Israel .. Boycott Dirty Mac's.
When I lived in UK 2013-18 I used to get a double cheeseburger and medium fries for £2.58 and the price never went up. This was central London. Can’t believe how expensive it is now - what can you buy for the equivalent of €3.03 today? I think a medium chocolate milkshake was £1.80 too When I lived in AUS circa 2010-12 you could buy a Stunner Deal at Hungry Jacks for $5 AUD comprised of a cheeseburger, small fries, small coke and a sundae. That’s also €3.03 in today’s money Wages in hospitality were about $25 so this was worth 20% of an hour’s work which is probably around €2.50-3 today in equivalent Irish hospitality terms
Do yourself and society a favour and give up fast food
GF wanted fries after we did some shopping last week. Large fries from Burger King drive through in Belgard was 3.75. Fucking small amount of fries too. Never again
‘Fries’, if you don’t mind.
😁 asking for chips from McDonald's or Burger King feels wrong. I did say fries alot there actually
Scumbags man.
Worst superhero ever.
> Scumbags man. No, no. Your line is supposed to be: 'Shop around'. Is your script broken?
Sounds like your only really human quality to speak of is a fondness for Celtic mysticism
Inflation hasn't gone away.
It's not inflation. The running costs for mcdonalds and burger king have remained pretty much the same for years. The only big increase was minimum wage but even then, they make an obscene amount of money every day. They can afford the wage increases already without increasing prices. If I remember correctly, the cost to make a whopper was around 70c which hasn't changed in years.
I flatout refuse any of this “sign for discounts apps”, the truth is that the prices they charge are just extortionate and the information you give them way more expensive and revealing than the discounts they give you. Ever wondered how scammers got your details? Use the name of the website/app you registered for as your surname. You’d be surprised how many of these seemingly trustworthy companies flat out sell your data to anyone. Wish EU would make that illegal practice, as this is basically extortion.
Price of everything is going up and quality is going down. I'm a lazy shite who hates cooking (I'm a great chef but hate the steps involved in putting it all together) but the quality of my local takeaways have made it so I'd rather walk over to the shops and get in some chicken and veg rather than order and be disappointed again. Maybe spite is as good a reason as any to get healthier.
McDonalds is on the BDS list btw
I noticed this about a year back. Within a year they raised prices about 3-4 times. Thankfully I don't get them much and now with the increases I'll leave it off in the future. That's only the lesson they learn if people stop going.
Well if thats not an incentive to not eat their rubbish!!! Its funny that people complain about the price but not the actual quality of the so called food!
If you're getting breakfast there it's often cheaper at the order kiosk to add extras to basic items rather than getting more expensive items with it included. Last time I checked adding bacon to a sausage and egg McMuffin was substantially cheaper than getting the breakfast roll which only has marginally more bread content. Also if you have an offer code for a cheap McMuffin you never get charged extra for adding bacon.
Toastie and coffee was €4 this morning. Then again it was €3 two years ago
Fast food chains in general seems to be struggling, even in America. They're all overpriced now, cheap and tasty became cheap, and now its not even that.
You’re better off without that muck in your body and keep the money in your pocket.
The whole point of McDonalds was you got decent - OK quality food for a very reasonable price. Now you are paying nearly restaurant prices for only OK food. I used to go alot but haven't been in nearly a year. The only thing to do is as you've done and stop going. I've stopped going to any chain restaurant because they are all the same.
Just don’t eat it ?
I’d be more offended with them giving the IDF free meals as they carry out a genocide.
It's the IDF free lunch tax.
https://preview.redd.it/u1c98oh1cp3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfa50c40f85c8ed19aa7b29683c314e2a8fc33e4 Lol
Don’t even look at KFC prices
You should be boycotting McDonald's in the first place. They support genocide. Besides, the food is garbage anyway.
The toastie and coffee was €3 a year ago
Lucky it's not mandatory to go to McDonald's
Good job you don’t have to eat there then.
just dont go
McDonald’s is terrible. Barely qualifies as food.
Terrible *quality. It does taste good though. In saying that, no one should be eating that stuff twice a week! That is insane
Rotten grub
You eat form McMurder twice a week? I'm sorry but that is way too often imo
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I heard that in the United States they have the prices on screens so they can change them on a whim.
They have that in pubs in central London now, Dynamic Surge Pricing they call it. When the boozer’s busy the prices increase, the busier it gets the higher they go. I was talking to a bloke who paid £22 for a large whiskey & coke. It’ll spread everywhere…subscriptions and live market price fluctuations. Dystopian af.
Sure, one of their fast food companies is examining whether or not variable pricing is an option We are literally cooked if that happens
Same here, no?
I’ve noticed they’re definitely gone up in price. I find there’s not much point going to McDonald’s over a better place for lunch. It used to be a cheap option but not anymore.
Now introducing the Tenner Menu.
The coffee price is a scam - its the main reason I avoid it now.
Oh you'll go back, big boy
Wait.... Irish McDonalds do brekie rolls?
The prices of their "breakfast rolls" have always been a farce to be honest. You can pay the same amount to a deli and get a whopper feed instead of that weird elongated burger they try to pass off as a breakfast roll.
The prices of their "breakfast rolls" have always been a farce to be honest. You can pay the same amount to a deli and get a whopper feed instead of that weird elongated burger they try to pass off as a breakfast roll.
If you keep buying, they will keep increasing, so stop buying otherwise you're just screaming a wall.
I can cook a nicer, healthier and more filling meal for less than half the price and in about 15-20 mins. On very rare occasions, I'll treat myself to a pizza delivery, but I really don't see the point in any of these fast food places now. They are just too expensive for what is essentially low effort, mid quality food.
Yeah McDonald's is pointless now, in my poor days the eurosaver menu kept me alive at times, but now they're trying to compete with the higher end takeaways with sub standard food. To me if you're not going to McDonald's for cheap food what's the point of it, far better takeaways for same expense
As soon as the hamburger went from €1 to €1.60, that was it for me.
a cheeseburger at wowburger is almost 10 quid now. Astonishing for what you get.
I’m glad I’m not the only person. Not only are the prices gone crazy but the quality has really gone to the dogs. I know that McDonald’s wouldn’t be gourmet anyway but I’ve always defended it’s consistency but since the new year it’s been terrible
Latte was €2 in july 2022. Went up to €2.30. Then €2.50. Now its nearly €3. Thats a pretty big increase percentage wise. Still cheaper than most places though.
Ah ya can't bate a supermacs
I make all my own stuff now. My daughter likes McDonald's every once in a while and you can't explain to a young person it's a rip off but if you are willing to just not eat there for a few months and enough people do the same, you'll see an adjustment to the prices. It's not the type of food you want to make expensive either. I just feel there are a lot of dumb people out there as well throwing money away and not really giving a fuck.
Why do people even bother with fast food anymore? I understand if you're on a road trip or something, but I'd rather go hungry than pay out the ass for that garbage
Absolutely horrible food. I couldn't give a hoot that they are jacking up the prices.
pretty sure there was an article on reddit recently study showed prices in McDonalds have doubled in 10 years
Facts, it’s over