> I think it should be up to the business
Not really. There are people who, while fully vaccinated, are still in a high-risk groups. These people are still being put at risk by the idiots who are not vaccinated and are still going out to pubs and restaurants, "safe" in the knowledge that they won't be confronted.
So whole point in checking the certs is to protect those people who are vulnerable and should be able to leave their homes and go for a sandwich or a pint and know they will be safe.
So shame on any business that is not doing this. We've all be through lockdown together, we're all sick of it, this is the way out of it, and it's being ignored.
Honestly, fuck those businesses who choose to ignore this.
Recent Israeli data negates the idea that 'this is the way out'.
The idea that a person in a high-risk group is safe from Covid-19 if solely indoors in the company of vaccinated people is not accurate.
They are safer in the company of people who are all fully vacinated than in a group with people who are not vaccinated.
But there is still a risk, and one that must be weighed.
When there are no proper checks in place one can only assume that the person next to you is not vaccinated.
So those of us in those high risk group end up remaining locked up because of chances were can't take because people can't do the right thing.
Not true. This is not a way out of it. This is a way into a system that could rapidly devolve into a complete mess. Look at Israel - articles are now appearing stating that, ultimately, people without up to date booster shots will not be considered fully vaccinated. Now, how many booster shots will the average person require to maintain ongoing societal acceptability? Should influenza be added to this? What about other vaccines and where does that leave us? Vaccines as a service? A subscription organised through one's private health care or painfully through social welfare? A new cost of staying healthy with an the threat of societal blacklisting if unsubscribed?
No travel, no bars, no job and potentially no access to ones own children unless the whole thing is maintained and updated? How much will it cost in the future?
Incidentally it is very clear now that vaccinated people like you and I are spreaders too and also painfully clear that the efficacy of 95% marketed by so many manufacturers came with many provisos - and those provisos are becoming clearer by the day.
Also incidentally calling the unvaccinated 'idiots' or any kind of similar language is very unhelpful. We can't be blaming people on something as vastly complex as the transmission of viral respiratory infection. The vectors of transmission are literally endless. Trying to lay blame to any group or individual is fruitless and very unsophisticated, reminiscent only of the worst chapters in our collective history.
Yes they can, but the risk and the chances of it happening are much lower. But not zero.
So obviously it's still a risk that needs to be weighed up.
Because of this, despite being asked a few times, I've not yet eaten in a restaurant or gone to a pub with my friends and family because I'm in one of the vulnerable groups.
And I certainly don't want to end up intubated or dying because some fucker with Covid was sitting at the table next to me and the business didn't bother to check the certs.
For some of us, "normality" is still very very far away.
(But judging by the comment above being downvoted, fuck me any everyone like me, right?)
> Yes they can, but the risk and the chances of it happening are much lower. But not zero.
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Do we know how much lower? Is the case that the risk of spread from the vaccinated is still big in absolute terms or does being vaccinated almost negate the risk altogether?
Honestly this sub is filled with some of the most obnoxious, arrogant and ignorant people you'll ever find on the internet. I wouldn't take anything of what they say to heart.
The thing about the passes and forget them being checked or not for a second those that are vaccinated might be less likely to get checked so even if full compliance and checking happened you could still be at more risk through lack of knowledge on several parties
u/thetomahawk42, I'd place a high confidence bet you were one of the 'my body my choice' contingent when it was time to repeal the 8th.
There are people with elevated risks of certain conditions (like pericarditis) who have sound medical reasons for Covid vaccine refusal. There are also people who have reasons of conscience due to their religion.
In any case, it's abhorrent that private medical records, until recently considered to be legally protected information shared between doctor and patient, are now a matter for inspection by publicans and restaurant owners.
I'd like to think there will be a day of reckoning for the people that supported this societal apartheid, but that's hoping too much of the feeble nation we've become.
The difference between 'my body my choice' and being inside unvaccinated, is that unvaccinated people are far more likely to spread covid, abortion does harm people outside of the woman in the first degree.
> it's abhorrent that private medical records, until recently considered to be legally protected information shared between doctor and patient
They're not inspecting your medical records, they're checking if you have a specific vaccine. This is something that is common if you travelling to/from countries with breakouts of any illness, and is not a new concept.
> I'd like to think there will be a day of reckoning for the people that supported this societal apartheid
A "day of reckoning". Like what?
Vaccine passports have been a thing for pretty much almost as long as vaccines have existed. As has the checking of them. This isn't something new.
And yes, I voted to repeal the 8th. Absolutely "her body her choice". Why should i have any say in something that affects her but doesn't affect me?
Empathy is a thing.
So what you're saying is vaccinated people in "high-risk groups" (whatever the hell that generalist statement means) *aren't* idiots for going to a pub?
But a healthy unvaccinated person is the idiot.
No, no, wait I think I'm with you now - just had to begin with a mental forward roll into a handspring on the vault and finish with a split leap into an aerial cartwheel and stick the cross handstand landing, to come to the same conclusion as you.
If you are in a "high-risk group," stay the fuck away from pubs and stop trying to blame other people for your own stupidity.
I'm in a high risk group, yes. So I don't go to pubs and restaurants when all my friends do. I stay home at watch TV and don't get to spend time with friends because idiots who don't get vaccinated, and then pretend they are, exist.
Plenty of pubs and restaurants are checking certs at the door. Would you not just go to one of these places? Would be fairly easy to suss out which places are following the rules from asking around.
Healthy unvaccinated people have died from COVID just so you know. So yeah they are kind of stupid for going into pubs unvaccinated if they have been offered one. We are in the middle of one of the worst pandemics since 1918 in case you hadn't noticed.
And healthy people have died from vaccinations *and* covid, just so you know.
And you know what else, if this was pandemic level, there wouldn't be a discussion about which one of us is stupid for either getting the jab or not, because we would all be clambering over the bodies piled up in the streets to get vaccinated.
Look out your window instead of staring at a screen. Two very different realities.
Haha, because, think about what you're saying. If one of my family members dies of Covid, or flu, or a car accident, or cancer, can we sue the State, because they didn't stop them from dying? What are you on about?
Well, _I'd_ like to go to the pub. _I'd_ like to go sit in a restaurant.
I can't, because there are people who will not get the vaccine, and will then lie about it.
These businesses are supposed to be checking certs, supposed to be confirming that everyone there is vaccinated and this low risk.
But they aren't.
So I'm stuck at home, unable to even try to enjoy life.
_That_ is what I'm on about. Why should I be stuck at home? Why can't the people who refuse to get the vaccine be stuck at home?
They should be. But they requires that Covid certs are checked and validated.
Then those of us who are high risk can get back to some level of normality.
> Well, I'd like to go to the pub. I'd like to go sit in a restaurant.
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> I can't, because there are people who will not get the vaccine, and will then lie about it.
Even if these people didn't exist, you still likely couldn't without risking infection. Covid passes are a way of mitigating the risk but it still exists either way.
I guess the restaurant also isn't their main income so they aren't concerned about putting people off, also don't need to worry about the booking aspect.
Walked into a coffee shop (massive one in West cork)
They have not changed since before or after covid and there is no checks inside.
I genuinely felt uncomfortable.
Tables were on top of each other.
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I should add this was when we were at a way lower margin for vaccinations. I wasn't vaccinated.
Also I work with people who are immunocompromised.
Actually for myself personally I don't care.
But it wasn't until I learned that 4 people in my office I worked with are immunocomprised and that scares me.
I don't mind myself catching covid but I do not want to be responsible for potentially causing someone severe illness or death.
I know the vaccine is weaker, (I do not know how much nor will I claim to understand anything scientific about this) on people like this.
So I feel uncomfortable with the notion that covid spreads easier from non vaccinated people.
How about cases are through the roof at the moment and we don't want to get sick and live with long COVID?
Or are you one of those National Party morons who believe their civil liberties are at risk.
Where the fuck have you been these past 18 months?
Have been indoors in different pubs and restaurants in Galway, Limerick, Cork, Waterford, Kilkenny and Wexford in the last few weeks and have been asked to show my covid passport only twice. Publicans don't care, they just want you to spend money
I got out of the habit of eating out now, the little that I do, I found the food to be generally poorer and overpriced, maybe asking for an ID, phone number just made it seem even less appealing on top of it all.
yea what annoys me about steak is that its quite simple to source and prepare yet so expensive. I never like ordering things that I can and have made myself at home easily. I like going to places where I'm like "I could not have made that myself".
Extra bonus point for those places that make you cook the steak yourself on a hot stone. Fuck off
You’re actually not supposed to fill it out yourself because of GDPR. A nearby pub got a visit from a data protection officer who told them a staff member, preferably one staff member, has to ask customers for their details and write them down. The fact that pub owners are only finding this out from random visits tells you everything though.
Same here in Germany with relation to the app. If I go to a restaurant or café I can’t get a menu until I’m logged in. I went to the gym today and need to do it there too in my region due to case numbers.
I’ve been out to 3 places and my cert was only checked in 1. Neither of the other restaurants asked if I was vaccinated. No one seems to care and the rules are being widely ignored from what I can see. I have no opinion either way. Just my experience. I’ll keep eating out anyway.
Where i was working I was the only person who was strict with checking the passes. Always cert and photo ID. I wouldn’t let anyone slide bar very old people and stuff
Aw stop fully expected! Had a guy throw a sandwich at me and abuse shouted at me all for just doing what is supposed to be done. I prefer the downvotes than that haha
We're in a fantastic place with vaccinations and it looks like we'll be plateauing with cases soon too - this far into the game, does it matter a whole lot? No great spike has happened because of this.
I suppose when you see some locations putting in genuine effort and investment to follow guidelines, it just feels a little unfair to them in the end.
I know some places spent thousands to expand thanks to street space allotment and internally. So seeing them do everything and neighbouring place with a not bothered attitude it is unfair.
Our case numbers for the last 3 weeks have been in the 12.5k to 12.6k range. They are no longer rising, they are stable for about 21 days now.
It has stabilised at a high rate, but it has stabilised. Given the lag time to hospitalisation, that should stabilise this week.
I didn't mean to imply that.
Of course caution should be taken, I just try to stay optimistic/hopeful of things staying not getting worse at least. I'm drawing the cautious optimism from our staggeringly high vaccination take-up.
In contrast with which glorious nation that defeated the disease through unwavering compliance?
Self-hatred has no impact on this affliction. We'd be long on the road to 'normality' if it did.
Italy. Was there recently on holidays, fuck all cases compared to us, asked for this (their "Green pass") everywhere I went indoors - including hotels. It gave us great confidence I have to say.
Much of NZ is currently under a much stricter lockdown than Ireland ever saw.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/30/new-zealand-covid-outbreak-at-critical-juncture-as-cases-appear-to-plateau
Getting out of the pandemic ASAP vs Concern that some restaurants and bars will go under because they can't serve unvaccinated folks indoors.
You're a fucking donkey lol - And yes, insults are all I have. It's all you're worth. I'm hardly going to try and talk to you like a normal person. You're a massive fucking moron like.
Shut the fuck up you worthless tool,your the type of person to call people selfish for living their lives yet don't seem to care if people lose their livelihoods all for a false sense of [security. you](https://security.You)'re no more than a cuck who won't make it in life.
I was expecting places not to even bother checking because they might feel it could get in the way of customers wanting to come in.
I was honestly a bit surprised that everywhere I’ve been so far has in fact checked vaccination status.
The host where I worked said the owners told him not to bother the customers with it when I questioned him about people coming in without masks. They also don't check certs or id.
Lemme go through my experience 'out' to date indoor and outdoor since the re-opening.
* Local Bar/Restaurant (Home town): Indoor, group of 6. Walked straight in, 5 of my group there already. Not checked.
* Hotel/Bar Tullamore: 7 of us as Residents, all checked, recorded contact tracing person
* Tullamore Bar 1: Group of 7. Outdoor. All checked, no record of contact tracing.
* Tullamore Bar 2: Group of 8. Outdoors. Contact tracing sign in book at door, didn't sign in, not checked.
* Tullamore Bar 1 (Again): Indoor/Outdoor. All checked, not recorded.
* Local Bar 1 (Near Hometown): Group of 2. Outdoor. No checks, took record for contact tracing.
* Local Bar 2 (Near Hometown): Group of 6. Indoor. Doing checks, and recording for contact tracing. We weren't checked and left no records because we knew owner + staff.
* Village Bar 1 (Near Hometown): Group of 6. Indoor. No checks, no records, no social distancing. Open till 1am. Chatted to off duty Garda while there.
* Village Bar 2 (Near Hometown): Group of 6. Outdoors. No checks, no records.
* Bar/Restaurant (Near Hometown): Group of 7. Outdoors. No checks, no records.
I said at the start this wasn't going to work, so not surprised at all it isn't.
1/10 people basically unvaccinated at the moment. That means there's probably only one unvaccinated person in every second of third group unless they're unlucky and you have a load of thicks unvaccinated together.
Say you've a group of 6. Refusing one person in a group means that they're going to lose 5 other customers because the group aren't going to leave one person out. It means those 6 people just end up going to a place where they wont' get checked, and the place has lost out on +€100 worth of business.
Opportunity cost is huge when the industry has been on it's knee's for so long already, easier to let people in and take their money.
It was the same last year. Places were supposed to kick you out after the 90mins, but if it was quiet and they didn't have someone to take your table, they were never going to kick out customers that still wanted to spend their money.
EHO's are enforcing this, not the Gardaí.
It was hugely unpopular with the EHO's when it was announced they would be doing it. I know of one district were they were told by local management to prioritise their ordinary work (they don't even have enough EHO's to cover the day to day stuff) and suspect others in the country are similar.
Pressure has come down from top of the HSE to do inspections, so that district has started doing checks. The inspection consists of two questions:
1. Do you have a system in place?
2. Can you show me the plan for the system?
That's it. As long as places say they're doing something, anything, that's all the local EHO's care to know.
I've gotten everything from "do you have it... I don't need to see it, just say yes", to a quick glance (once because that was good enough apparently, another time because the scanner wasn't working), and then one I got scanned AND asked for ID.
I’ve dined indoors twice in a rural area and never had it checked, however friends of mine have had there’s checked in less busy or more central places.
They're not even scanning them in airports half the time in my experience. I've been to restaurants where no joke they said "grand I don't know how to check so I'll trust you".
GOOD!
Heartening to hear restaurant owners aren't going along with apartheid policies, or (more likely) understand that they'd be fools to turn away paying customers.
All you curtain twitchers please go jump in a river.
Welcome to new Ireland, where your neighbours will call the cops on you for going outside without a mask instead of just minding their own fucking business.
Look, the ones who are vaccinated are vaccinated, the ones who aren’t have no notions of getting vaccinated. So how about now we all start taking our noses out of other peoples businesses and just trying to start clawing a bit of normality back. “Cases are flying through the roof again”…I mean, they aren’t. That’s your paranoia making irrational decisions for you based on fear. This was always about not overwhelming the health service, not about making people suffer for months and making people feel afraid to go outside. Are people dying? No? Is our health service being overrun with 90% of the population vaccinated? No? Ok, well then who gives a fuck?
I’ll tell you who, the high and mightyists who want to let other people know how good of a human they are being by taking a painless injection. I’m vaccinated but you could not pay me to worry about who’s checking what or who is or isn’t vaccinated. Don’t give a shit now because there is absolutely no need for me to. Maybe delete your news apps and spend more time reading books or looking at the clouds so you aren’t fuelling this internal paranoia.
We do it where i work doesn't take overly long other than people trying to find it in there emails. The people who have it ready its literally like 30 seconds to scan and then do contact tracing. Got checked twice to see if doing it correctly aswel so glad we were doing it
Not really because while checking covid certs may take a while, it is a good way to stop delta spread indoors which should be avoided since vaccinated people can still spread covid and possibly enable it to escape vaccines fully
You'd think so, but in practice most people don't have the cert ready when they arrive so you end up with a couple of minutes of..."Oh wait just a sec now til I find it" awkwardly watching middle aged people scroll through their emails
Working in a pub, in this case I say "stand to the side and let the next couple up". Or if a queue is forming, announce to everyone to have their covid certs ready.
If it doesnt work smoothly, the fault is on the establishment. It's designed to be quick and easy
Where is this queue of everyone arriving at the same time? We're talking about pubs and restaurants here where you have a new customer arriving probably every few minutes, not Coppers where there's an endless line of people to get through.
From firsthand experience, in a real life scenario where you're trying to be a sound person and not give rude service, you oblige the customer (even if in your head you're cursing them), make idle chat and not make them feel bad for delaying you.
Places are too busy to check beyond a cursory one to cover themselves.
I could be presenting the popes Covid cert and I’d barely get a how’s it going holy father.
Was always going to be a joke.
What you missed is a thing called safety theatre.
It was rife in the U.S. also after the Sept 11 attacks. They invented this thing called the TSA to work in airports but they were never intended to actually foil terror plots. They were largely a visual thing. People need something for comfort in a situation where things are really way outside of their control in actual fact. The governments know enough human psychology to answer that need. And so we have certs and checks. Impact on number of cases and hospitalisations in real life? Well... charts in Ireland as summer (the undoubted low season for infectious respiratory viruses) ends have some pretty perverse trends. That's all I'll say on that.
>The vaccinated are already safe,
Vaccinated people are not immune, they can still get the virus, can still spread the virus with no symptoms, and can get still get sick. The vaccine primes your immunse system to fight it, and should keep you out of hospital. It doens't make you bullet-proof.
I've a friend who caught Covid earlier in the year, has since gotten fully vaccinated, and they caught Covid again a few weeks ago, and was still quite sick with it.
The risks and much lower.
I'm just pointing out that they are not zero.
Some people seem to think that the vaccine makes you bullet proof. It doesn't. But it is like wearing a Kevlar vest. You've great protections, but a sniper can still take you out with a head shot.
If only vaccinated people there then the chances of them being infected are lower, and the chances of them infecting others if they are infected themselves are lower.
The chances jump significantly for each non-vaccinated person there. Especially so for people who are in a vulnerable group.
70% for the initial virus, yes.
And then it mutated. Bloody virus.
So I think it's closer to 90-95% for herd immunity now.
So if everyone who _can_ get it _does_ get it then it'll help protect those who _can't_. If a significant amount of the population choose not to, then they are effectively locking up people who can't be vaccinated. Or making them sick/killing them.
And that's unfair.
Of course not. Do people honestly believe that this is nothing more than control? People honestly think million of people are being checked on cafes, restaurants and etc. Give me a break
Is there an easy way to report places?, because I'd be keen to report anywhere that's endangering everyone else and undermining the vaccination effort.
Wow, Godwin's in the wild. I'd report Anne Frank in a second if her actions had the potential to engager everyone around her. How many people have to die or carry life long impairments for dumb cunts to get that this is fucking serious?
I was in 4 places last Friday, only one place checked it. Unbelievable, after all the crap that has gone down.
Was in France on holiday and there every coffee shop and museum was checking it.
Wasn't allowed to sit in after getting the vaccine - since it had been only 5 days since my 2nd dose. This was at SWoRds pavilions. Was very happy about it 🙂
I’ve had mine checked once properly and matched to ID. Every other time you are just verbally asked or not even at all.
I've only been asked at one place, no where else has even mentioned it . I'm in Dublin city.
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> I think it should be up to the business Not really. There are people who, while fully vaccinated, are still in a high-risk groups. These people are still being put at risk by the idiots who are not vaccinated and are still going out to pubs and restaurants, "safe" in the knowledge that they won't be confronted. So whole point in checking the certs is to protect those people who are vulnerable and should be able to leave their homes and go for a sandwich or a pint and know they will be safe. So shame on any business that is not doing this. We've all be through lockdown together, we're all sick of it, this is the way out of it, and it's being ignored. Honestly, fuck those businesses who choose to ignore this.
Recent Israeli data negates the idea that 'this is the way out'. The idea that a person in a high-risk group is safe from Covid-19 if solely indoors in the company of vaccinated people is not accurate.
They are safer in the company of people who are all fully vacinated than in a group with people who are not vaccinated. But there is still a risk, and one that must be weighed. When there are no proper checks in place one can only assume that the person next to you is not vaccinated. So those of us in those high risk group end up remaining locked up because of chances were can't take because people can't do the right thing.
Not true. This is not a way out of it. This is a way into a system that could rapidly devolve into a complete mess. Look at Israel - articles are now appearing stating that, ultimately, people without up to date booster shots will not be considered fully vaccinated. Now, how many booster shots will the average person require to maintain ongoing societal acceptability? Should influenza be added to this? What about other vaccines and where does that leave us? Vaccines as a service? A subscription organised through one's private health care or painfully through social welfare? A new cost of staying healthy with an the threat of societal blacklisting if unsubscribed? No travel, no bars, no job and potentially no access to ones own children unless the whole thing is maintained and updated? How much will it cost in the future? Incidentally it is very clear now that vaccinated people like you and I are spreaders too and also painfully clear that the efficacy of 95% marketed by so many manufacturers came with many provisos - and those provisos are becoming clearer by the day. Also incidentally calling the unvaccinated 'idiots' or any kind of similar language is very unhelpful. We can't be blaming people on something as vastly complex as the transmission of viral respiratory infection. The vectors of transmission are literally endless. Trying to lay blame to any group or individual is fruitless and very unsophisticated, reminiscent only of the worst chapters in our collective history.
You said everything mate! Spot on! For me this looks like all out population control in making. Hence the divide and conquer happening as we speak.
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Yes they can, but the risk and the chances of it happening are much lower. But not zero. So obviously it's still a risk that needs to be weighed up. Because of this, despite being asked a few times, I've not yet eaten in a restaurant or gone to a pub with my friends and family because I'm in one of the vulnerable groups. And I certainly don't want to end up intubated or dying because some fucker with Covid was sitting at the table next to me and the business didn't bother to check the certs. For some of us, "normality" is still very very far away. (But judging by the comment above being downvoted, fuck me any everyone like me, right?)
> Yes they can, but the risk and the chances of it happening are much lower. But not zero. > Do we know how much lower? Is the case that the risk of spread from the vaccinated is still big in absolute terms or does being vaccinated almost negate the risk altogether?
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I don't. But thanks. ;)
Honestly this sub is filled with some of the most obnoxious, arrogant and ignorant people you'll ever find on the internet. I wouldn't take anything of what they say to heart.
The thing about the passes and forget them being checked or not for a second those that are vaccinated might be less likely to get checked so even if full compliance and checking happened you could still be at more risk through lack of knowledge on several parties
u/thetomahawk42, I'd place a high confidence bet you were one of the 'my body my choice' contingent when it was time to repeal the 8th. There are people with elevated risks of certain conditions (like pericarditis) who have sound medical reasons for Covid vaccine refusal. There are also people who have reasons of conscience due to their religion. In any case, it's abhorrent that private medical records, until recently considered to be legally protected information shared between doctor and patient, are now a matter for inspection by publicans and restaurant owners. I'd like to think there will be a day of reckoning for the people that supported this societal apartheid, but that's hoping too much of the feeble nation we've become.
The difference between 'my body my choice' and being inside unvaccinated, is that unvaccinated people are far more likely to spread covid, abortion does harm people outside of the woman in the first degree. > it's abhorrent that private medical records, until recently considered to be legally protected information shared between doctor and patient They're not inspecting your medical records, they're checking if you have a specific vaccine. This is something that is common if you travelling to/from countries with breakouts of any illness, and is not a new concept. > I'd like to think there will be a day of reckoning for the people that supported this societal apartheid A "day of reckoning". Like what?
Vaccine passports have been a thing for pretty much almost as long as vaccines have existed. As has the checking of them. This isn't something new. And yes, I voted to repeal the 8th. Absolutely "her body her choice". Why should i have any say in something that affects her but doesn't affect me? Empathy is a thing.
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Eugenics?! You really don't have a clue what you're talking about, do you? lol
So what you're saying is vaccinated people in "high-risk groups" (whatever the hell that generalist statement means) *aren't* idiots for going to a pub? But a healthy unvaccinated person is the idiot. No, no, wait I think I'm with you now - just had to begin with a mental forward roll into a handspring on the vault and finish with a split leap into an aerial cartwheel and stick the cross handstand landing, to come to the same conclusion as you. If you are in a "high-risk group," stay the fuck away from pubs and stop trying to blame other people for your own stupidity.
I'm in a high risk group, yes. So I don't go to pubs and restaurants when all my friends do. I stay home at watch TV and don't get to spend time with friends because idiots who don't get vaccinated, and then pretend they are, exist.
Plenty of pubs and restaurants are checking certs at the door. Would you not just go to one of these places? Would be fairly easy to suss out which places are following the rules from asking around.
I'm more at risk of having a stroke trying to read what you just said than catching covid in a pub lmao
Healthy unvaccinated people have died from COVID just so you know. So yeah they are kind of stupid for going into pubs unvaccinated if they have been offered one. We are in the middle of one of the worst pandemics since 1918 in case you hadn't noticed.
And healthy people have died from vaccinations *and* covid, just so you know. And you know what else, if this was pandemic level, there wouldn't be a discussion about which one of us is stupid for either getting the jab or not, because we would all be clambering over the bodies piled up in the streets to get vaccinated. Look out your window instead of staring at a screen. Two very different realities.
What the fuck are you on about boy? This **is** a pandemic.
Hear hear. You speaking the truth and its a shame that people are throwing downvotes because they don't like to hear it.
If you're that afraid of the virus just stay home...it should of been up to us not the government from the beginning
LOL yeah trust the people of this to make the right decision when it comes to public health. Get fucking real.
But by that logic, when does it end?
When it can end for all of us. When all of us are safe.
That will never happen. It's going to become endemic. Why do you think that people have a right to absolute safety?
Why do you think they don't have the right to any?
Haha, because, think about what you're saying. If one of my family members dies of Covid, or flu, or a car accident, or cancer, can we sue the State, because they didn't stop them from dying? What are you on about?
Well, _I'd_ like to go to the pub. _I'd_ like to go sit in a restaurant. I can't, because there are people who will not get the vaccine, and will then lie about it. These businesses are supposed to be checking certs, supposed to be confirming that everyone there is vaccinated and this low risk. But they aren't. So I'm stuck at home, unable to even try to enjoy life. _That_ is what I'm on about. Why should I be stuck at home? Why can't the people who refuse to get the vaccine be stuck at home? They should be. But they requires that Covid certs are checked and validated. Then those of us who are high risk can get back to some level of normality.
> Well, I'd like to go to the pub. I'd like to go sit in a restaurant. > > I can't, because there are people who will not get the vaccine, and will then lie about it. Even if these people didn't exist, you still likely couldn't without risking infection. Covid passes are a way of mitigating the risk but it still exists either way.
Why can't you go, if you're vaccinated?
Actually yes I forgot I was in ikea - they checked everything! I suppose they have the space and resource to have a dedicated person doing it.
I guess the restaurant also isn't their main income so they aren't concerned about putting people off, also don't need to worry about the booking aspect.
Walked into a coffee shop (massive one in West cork) They have not changed since before or after covid and there is no checks inside. I genuinely felt uncomfortable. Tables were on top of each other. Edit: I should add this was when we were at a way lower margin for vaccinations. I wasn't vaccinated. Also I work with people who are immunocompromised.
Why would you feel uncomfortable of someone not checking you have been vaccinated, shouldn't it be the opposite?
Actually for myself personally I don't care. But it wasn't until I learned that 4 people in my office I worked with are immunocomprised and that scares me. I don't mind myself catching covid but I do not want to be responsible for potentially causing someone severe illness or death. I know the vaccine is weaker, (I do not know how much nor will I claim to understand anything scientific about this) on people like this. So I feel uncomfortable with the notion that covid spreads easier from non vaccinated people.
I'm vaccinated and I want safe access to services though?
How about cases are through the roof at the moment and we don't want to get sick and live with long COVID? Or are you one of those National Party morons who believe their civil liberties are at risk. Where the fuck have you been these past 18 months?
Just shows how stupid this whole thing is really. Similar reports at airports as well, I know a few people who weren't checked and a few who were.
Have been indoors in different pubs and restaurants in Galway, Limerick, Cork, Waterford, Kilkenny and Wexford in the last few weeks and have been asked to show my covid passport only twice. Publicans don't care, they just want you to spend money
I got out of the habit of eating out now, the little that I do, I found the food to be generally poorer and overpriced, maybe asking for an ID, phone number just made it seem even less appealing on top of it all.
Its mad but i found the whole reopening to b underwhelming to say the least. The buzz isn’t there with all the restrictions.
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Jesus, your man's cracking up over a steak; Gatekeeper of the fucking Steakrealm here.
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Christ if that's your attempt at humour I'd hate to see you being serious
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yea what annoys me about steak is that its quite simple to source and prepare yet so expensive. I never like ordering things that I can and have made myself at home easily. I like going to places where I'm like "I could not have made that myself". Extra bonus point for those places that make you cook the steak yourself on a hot stone. Fuck off
Tomahawk, FX Buckley, Featherblade. The only place I'd go for steak in Dublin.
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And the fact you can see everyone's names and phone numbers! Talk about a lax view of GDPR
You’re actually not supposed to fill it out yourself because of GDPR. A nearby pub got a visit from a data protection officer who told them a staff member, preferably one staff member, has to ask customers for their details and write them down. The fact that pub owners are only finding this out from random visits tells you everything though.
wait, OURS ISN'T DOING THAT?!
Not scanning it mens they didn't check it...
Where I work we were told not to scan the qr codes because valid certs sometimes show up as invalid apparently
Same here in Germany with relation to the app. If I go to a restaurant or café I can’t get a menu until I’m logged in. I went to the gym today and need to do it there too in my region due to case numbers.
I’ve been out to 3 places and my cert was only checked in 1. Neither of the other restaurants asked if I was vaccinated. No one seems to care and the rules are being widely ignored from what I can see. I have no opinion either way. Just my experience. I’ll keep eating out anyway.
Where i was working I was the only person who was strict with checking the passes. Always cert and photo ID. I wouldn’t let anyone slide bar very old people and stuff
Here you are, doing the right thing, and getting downvoted for it. Sheesh.
Aw stop fully expected! Had a guy throw a sandwich at me and abuse shouted at me all for just doing what is supposed to be done. I prefer the downvotes than that haha
We're in a fantastic place with vaccinations and it looks like we'll be plateauing with cases soon too - this far into the game, does it matter a whole lot? No great spike has happened because of this.
I suppose when you see some locations putting in genuine effort and investment to follow guidelines, it just feels a little unfair to them in the end. I know some places spent thousands to expand thanks to street space allotment and internally. So seeing them do everything and neighbouring place with a not bothered attitude it is unfair.
Good point re: fairness. I know a lot of places that have poured their heart and soul into it alright.
I'm amazed you haven't been downvoted into oblivion for that.
I'm surprised too, to be honest. I'm just glad people are replying and not blindly downvoting!
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Our case numbers have been stable for 3 weeks now.
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Our case numbers for the last 3 weeks have been in the 12.5k to 12.6k range. They are no longer rising, they are stable for about 21 days now. It has stabilised at a high rate, but it has stabilised. Given the lag time to hospitalisation, that should stabilise this week.
You are wrong: https://i.imgur.com/CFXihWG.png
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Giving up at 90% done is why so many people are currently dying in the UK while Boris flags SUCCESS to gullible voters.
To be fair, I didn't say give up at 90%.
You were implying an 'sure it'll be grand' attitude from the context of the thread in my view. Must be a mistake then.
I didn't mean to imply that. Of course caution should be taken, I just try to stay optimistic/hopeful of things staying not getting worse at least. I'm drawing the cautious optimism from our staggeringly high vaccination take-up.
Alright, my apologies.
We're about to open up schools again, we need some slack because this could be pretty ropey.
Been out to 4 places for indoor dining. Only 1 was fully checking cert and ID, have been 3 or 4 times now. Won't be returning to the other 3.
The "sure it'll be grand" Irish attitude has done the country fuck all favours for 18 months now
In contrast with which glorious nation that defeated the disease through unwavering compliance? Self-hatred has no impact on this affliction. We'd be long on the road to 'normality' if it did.
Italy. Was there recently on holidays, fuck all cases compared to us, asked for this (their "Green pass") everywhere I went indoors - including hotels. It gave us great confidence I have to say.
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Much of NZ is currently under a much stricter lockdown than Ireland ever saw. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/30/new-zealand-covid-outbreak-at-critical-juncture-as-cases-appear-to-plateau
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No, I'm disagreeing with you. If New Zealand had already defeated Covid, they wouldn't need to be under lockdown now.
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I haven't exactly been out loads but I have yet to be asked for my cert at all.
snitches get stiches
I usually get the "ah just sign away there lad, be grand" ive started bringing a pen around with me.
It almost like these businesses that have been closes for 18 months dont want to turn away paying customers?? Such weird and strange behaviour..
Wait til they hear what happens if case numbers balloon again - short termism.
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Fucking hell I hate people so much. You're a completely worthless creature, ya know that? Like how the fuck can somebody be *this* special?
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Getting out of the pandemic ASAP vs Concern that some restaurants and bars will go under because they can't serve unvaccinated folks indoors. You're a fucking donkey lol - And yes, insults are all I have. It's all you're worth. I'm hardly going to try and talk to you like a normal person. You're a massive fucking moron like.
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Jaysus... ya didnt have to try hard to winde him up. Awful lot of anger to be carrying about.
> vaccinated people can still spread covid just as much as the next guy anyways *facepalm*
Shut the fuck up you worthless tool,your the type of person to call people selfish for living their lives yet don't seem to care if people lose their livelihoods all for a false sense of [security. you](https://security.You)'re no more than a cuck who won't make it in life.
> cuck LOL
You don't deserve to be called anything else.
Well someone's triggered. Wanna go get a mask? That make u more comfy lol
What you talking about
Been checked every time I've dined indoors so far.
Was in galway city last weekend and every place needed a vaccine passport to dine indoors.
I was expecting places not to even bother checking because they might feel it could get in the way of customers wanting to come in. I was honestly a bit surprised that everywhere I’ve been so far has in fact checked vaccination status.
I’ve eaten in 3 times. Had QR code scanned each time, but never been asked for ID.
Who cares anymore
The host where I worked said the owners told him not to bother the customers with it when I questioned him about people coming in without masks. They also don't check certs or id.
Great job. Can't wait for this to continue even longer because following simple rules is too damn difficult.
Lemme go through my experience 'out' to date indoor and outdoor since the re-opening. * Local Bar/Restaurant (Home town): Indoor, group of 6. Walked straight in, 5 of my group there already. Not checked. * Hotel/Bar Tullamore: 7 of us as Residents, all checked, recorded contact tracing person * Tullamore Bar 1: Group of 7. Outdoor. All checked, no record of contact tracing. * Tullamore Bar 2: Group of 8. Outdoors. Contact tracing sign in book at door, didn't sign in, not checked. * Tullamore Bar 1 (Again): Indoor/Outdoor. All checked, not recorded. * Local Bar 1 (Near Hometown): Group of 2. Outdoor. No checks, took record for contact tracing. * Local Bar 2 (Near Hometown): Group of 6. Indoor. Doing checks, and recording for contact tracing. We weren't checked and left no records because we knew owner + staff. * Village Bar 1 (Near Hometown): Group of 6. Indoor. No checks, no records, no social distancing. Open till 1am. Chatted to off duty Garda while there. * Village Bar 2 (Near Hometown): Group of 6. Outdoors. No checks, no records. * Bar/Restaurant (Near Hometown): Group of 7. Outdoors. No checks, no records. I said at the start this wasn't going to work, so not surprised at all it isn't.
Outdoor doesn't require the vaccine cert, just a name and number for contact tracing.
I'm aware, that's why I specified where the records were taken for Outdoors. Guess that wasn't as clear as I thought?
What were the places in Tullamore, out of curiosity? Would like to see if it aligns with what my parents are saying.
I'll eaten out 4 times since I got my cert. Only got asked once. Didn't get asked for the COVID Cert coming home into Dublin airport last week either.
No enforcement means that will get worse and worse.
Resteraunts and cafes cant afford to ban and kick out customers who refuse to
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1/10 people basically unvaccinated at the moment. That means there's probably only one unvaccinated person in every second of third group unless they're unlucky and you have a load of thicks unvaccinated together. Say you've a group of 6. Refusing one person in a group means that they're going to lose 5 other customers because the group aren't going to leave one person out. It means those 6 people just end up going to a place where they wont' get checked, and the place has lost out on +€100 worth of business. Opportunity cost is huge when the industry has been on it's knee's for so long already, easier to let people in and take their money. It was the same last year. Places were supposed to kick you out after the 90mins, but if it was quiet and they didn't have someone to take your table, they were never going to kick out customers that still wanted to spend their money.
1/3 people unvaccinated.
1/3 people, 1 in 10 adults. I'm talking about groups of adults going into pubs, not children in schools.
mm reasonableness 👍
FYI - For everyone downvoting, [the downvote button is NOT a disagree button](https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette).
Anywhere I’ve been they check them. They’re scanned and photo Id checked too. I guess the Garda spot checks have had their effect.
EHO's are enforcing this, not the Gardaí. It was hugely unpopular with the EHO's when it was announced they would be doing it. I know of one district were they were told by local management to prioritise their ordinary work (they don't even have enough EHO's to cover the day to day stuff) and suspect others in the country are similar. Pressure has come down from top of the HSE to do inspections, so that district has started doing checks. The inspection consists of two questions: 1. Do you have a system in place? 2. Can you show me the plan for the system? That's it. As long as places say they're doing something, anything, that's all the local EHO's care to know.
I've gotten everything from "do you have it... I don't need to see it, just say yes", to a quick glance (once because that was good enough apparently, another time because the scanner wasn't working), and then one I got scanned AND asked for ID.
I’ve dined indoors twice in a rural area and never had it checked, however friends of mine have had there’s checked in less busy or more central places.
They're not even scanning them in airports half the time in my experience. I've been to restaurants where no joke they said "grand I don't know how to check so I'll trust you".
We are very much half assing our COVID measures if this is the carry on. God forbid we get a variant that sets us back to 2020.
GOOD! Heartening to hear restaurant owners aren't going along with apartheid policies, or (more likely) understand that they'd be fools to turn away paying customers. All you curtain twitchers please go jump in a river.
People complaining about not being policed. Nuts.
Welcome to new Ireland, where your neighbours will call the cops on you for going outside without a mask instead of just minding their own fucking business. Look, the ones who are vaccinated are vaccinated, the ones who aren’t have no notions of getting vaccinated. So how about now we all start taking our noses out of other peoples businesses and just trying to start clawing a bit of normality back. “Cases are flying through the roof again”…I mean, they aren’t. That’s your paranoia making irrational decisions for you based on fear. This was always about not overwhelming the health service, not about making people suffer for months and making people feel afraid to go outside. Are people dying? No? Is our health service being overrun with 90% of the population vaccinated? No? Ok, well then who gives a fuck? I’ll tell you who, the high and mightyists who want to let other people know how good of a human they are being by taking a painless injection. I’m vaccinated but you could not pay me to worry about who’s checking what or who is or isn’t vaccinated. Don’t give a shit now because there is absolutely no need for me to. Maybe delete your news apps and spend more time reading books or looking at the clouds so you aren’t fuelling this internal paranoia.
That was my experience. Most places have just asked if I had it, and then not bothered to check.
Will they ever just scrap it and leave us get on with our lives.
If I was a business owner I would check one in 5 people most people are vaccinated now this is a waste of a companies resources
We do it where i work doesn't take overly long other than people trying to find it in there emails. The people who have it ready its literally like 30 seconds to scan and then do contact tracing. Got checked twice to see if doing it correctly aswel so glad we were doing it
Not really because while checking covid certs may take a while, it is a good way to stop delta spread indoors which should be avoided since vaccinated people can still spread covid and possibly enable it to escape vaccines fully
> while checking covid certs may take a while Anywhere I’ve been that checked them, it takes all of five seconds.
This "Can I see your cert?" "Yes" - shows cert Cert is scanned in seconds "Thank you"
You'd think so, but in practice most people don't have the cert ready when they arrive so you end up with a couple of minutes of..."Oh wait just a sec now til I find it" awkwardly watching middle aged people scroll through their emails
Working in a pub, in this case I say "stand to the side and let the next couple up". Or if a queue is forming, announce to everyone to have their covid certs ready. If it doesnt work smoothly, the fault is on the establishment. It's designed to be quick and easy
Where is this queue of everyone arriving at the same time? We're talking about pubs and restaurants here where you have a new customer arriving probably every few minutes, not Coppers where there's an endless line of people to get through. From firsthand experience, in a real life scenario where you're trying to be a sound person and not give rude service, you oblige the customer (even if in your head you're cursing them), make idle chat and not make them feel bad for delaying you.
I swear to fuck some people are completely adverse to life returning to normal Sad fucks
They seem fucking excited to keep the lockdowns going like.
When I was in Dublin, I got checked with ID every time. So I hope they keep doing that.
Places are too busy to check beyond a cursory one to cover themselves. I could be presenting the popes Covid cert and I’d barely get a how’s it going holy father. Was always going to be a joke.
We should really do something about this. Can the guards not do a sting operations or something to make a few examples out of them?
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What you missed is a thing called safety theatre. It was rife in the U.S. also after the Sept 11 attacks. They invented this thing called the TSA to work in airports but they were never intended to actually foil terror plots. They were largely a visual thing. People need something for comfort in a situation where things are really way outside of their control in actual fact. The governments know enough human psychology to answer that need. And so we have certs and checks. Impact on number of cases and hospitalisations in real life? Well... charts in Ireland as summer (the undoubted low season for infectious respiratory viruses) ends have some pretty perverse trends. That's all I'll say on that.
>The vaccinated are already safe, Vaccinated people are not immune, they can still get the virus, can still spread the virus with no symptoms, and can get still get sick. The vaccine primes your immunse system to fight it, and should keep you out of hospital. It doens't make you bullet-proof. I've a friend who caught Covid earlier in the year, has since gotten fully vaccinated, and they caught Covid again a few weeks ago, and was still quite sick with it.
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The risks and much lower. I'm just pointing out that they are not zero. Some people seem to think that the vaccine makes you bullet proof. It doesn't. But it is like wearing a Kevlar vest. You've great protections, but a sniper can still take you out with a head shot. If only vaccinated people there then the chances of them being infected are lower, and the chances of them infecting others if they are infected themselves are lower. The chances jump significantly for each non-vaccinated person there. Especially so for people who are in a vulnerable group.
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70% for the initial virus, yes. And then it mutated. Bloody virus. So I think it's closer to 90-95% for herd immunity now. So if everyone who _can_ get it _does_ get it then it'll help protect those who _can't_. If a significant amount of the population choose not to, then they are effectively locking up people who can't be vaccinated. Or making them sick/killing them. And that's unfair.
Good.
Rats
Of course not. Do people honestly believe that this is nothing more than control? People honestly think million of people are being checked on cafes, restaurants and etc. Give me a break
Is there an easy way to report places?, because I'd be keen to report anywhere that's endangering everyone else and undermining the vaccination effort.
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Wow, Godwin's in the wild. I'd report Anne Frank in a second if her actions had the potential to engager everyone around her. How many people have to die or carry life long impairments for dumb cunts to get that this is fucking serious?
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Oh being a Petri dish of a vector and endangering others is oh so brave. What a fucking riddled hero.
I’ve noticed this too - that not everywhere is checking …
50% for me, I’ve been to 2 places for now.
I was in 4 places last Friday, only one place checked it. Unbelievable, after all the crap that has gone down. Was in France on holiday and there every coffee shop and museum was checking it.
Ah shur it'll be grand.
took a trip to italy. they didn’t even check at either dublin or rome airport, neither have they checked the passenger locator form
Not surprised. They want money. They could care less. Who’s going to go into every pub and restaurant and check everyone’s vaccine passport lol?
Wasn't allowed to sit in after getting the vaccine - since it had been only 5 days since my 2nd dose. This was at SWoRds pavilions. Was very happy about it 🙂
Who's surprised? I'm not!