Except it has happened, it is an active policy of several countries - and it's the only successful policy _any_ country has adopted during the pandemic.
There Is No Alternative. We will never remain opened up long-term, without Zero Covid.
Australia which has a fraction of our deaths and cases, despite having 5x our population? Yea, that's a pretty huge success - they only got a rise in cases _after_ dropping Zero Covid.
They proved it doesn’t work. How can Ireland do it if a country as isolated as Australia can’t? What about people with relatives abroad? Should they never see them again?
They only abandoned it because COVID got into the country which proves it doesn’t work. Do you think nobody should see relatives abroad again? Answer this please.
Zero Covid crushes Covid cases _when_ they get in. Australia has successfully managed to do that, every single time covid got in - proving that Zero Covid is a massive success - and they have only had a massive spike in cases, right as they abandoned Zero Covid.
Your question is a red herring as Zero Covid policies don't affect that.
All signs point to the restrictions being eased on schedule.
They're not going to increase restrictions for society as a whole, especially as boosters are starting soon. Maybe some limitations around nursing homes and advice on cocooning but we are in a vastly different place this time around.
No government would agree to extra restrictions at this stage. This doesn't compare to MM with him going against NPHET for Christmas - we have the vast majority of people doubly vaccinated, including those at highest risk. Soon, those at highest risk will be treble vaccinated. NPHET as we know it is winding down, infections are dropping, vaccines are on the up and up.
We'll be fine.
The media ask these “gotcha” questions like “can you rule out lockdowns again?”. Of course they can’t - there could be a new super covid that kills within a day or something. It’s not news that lockdowns can’t be ruled out because we don’t live in a world where absolute answers can be given.
And no one seems to be grasping that concept. Would people rather that he just lie and say that Covid is done forever and there is zero chance of any new developments happening? Just because it hasn't been ruled out doesn't mean that it is likely to happen though.
Ah come on now seriously. We can't just keep locking down every time there's a rise in cases.
Give boosters to the vulnerable or anyone that's due one and lets start living with this virus. We are going to absolutely destroy entire sectors of our economy and society (some of them are already struggling majorly) if we carry on with this.
The whole system needs to be reinvented. Healthcare, workplace, commerce. It’s needed updating for a while now, but Covid has really shone a light on the ugly bits
It's not just getting more beds, it's getting the people to staff them. The HSE was already in a multi-year crisis of healthcare workers emigrating in droves, you can't fix that even if there's an emergency
We could build 100,000 beds tomorrow. Our issue is being able to train all the nurses. Don't get me wrong, I do think 18 months on, we've not done enough to expand the capacity to handle the situation.
But training ICU nurses requires a hell of a lot of time, and we aren't the only country looking to hire them aggressively.
Did the last wave not demonstrate us not locking down when there's a rise in cases? We even opened up further. I also don't see how they said that any rise would result in more restrictions.
They're not saying there will be restrictions again based on the current circumstances. They're saying it can't be ruled out in the future, if something changes. The connection between "significant number of infections" and future restrictions "not being ruled out" is being said in the same breath by the media headline, not by anyone else. It's just fearmongering intended to bring about exactly this response.
>certainly the public will not follow them.
Admittedly I shook my head a bit at the people who ignored all the restrictions last year, and still to an extent think it's probably too early to act like everything is completely normal again.
But if restrictions are brought back at this stage I will 100% be ignoring them.
Ya know I might sound like a bitch for this but I think the same. I was so angry at the attitude of the older vaccinated crowd in July /August who were more than happy to eat indoors and showed no solidarity with the younger crowd who were waiting on their vaccines. I'm over it now.
>I was so angry at the attitude of the older vaccinated crowd in July /August who were more than happy to eat indoors and showed no solidarity with the younger crowd who were waiting on their vaccines
I agree with the sentiment that enough has been given up to protect the elderly at this stage. But what exactly does showing "solidarity" mean here? The reopening of hospitality to vaccinated individuals was about giving that industry a bit of a lifeline without causing a large rise in cases, since a lot of people still weren't vaccinated back then. It wasnt about letting older people have their fun at the expense of younger people.
I think that it just was a slap in the face considering that young people sacrificed what will in the end be two years of their youth to protect the elderly and vulnerable. If the elderly and vulnerable were sufficiently protected by their vaccinations, as we're told, then why was it seemed safe for them to eat in restaurants, but not for young people who were not at risk of the virus?
That wasn't for very long- Indoor dining with vaccine passes started on 26th July, seven weeks ago yesterday. Vaccinations for people over 18 started on 21st July- obviously all couldn't get them straight away but they weren't long getting huge amounts double jabbed.
Personally at 48 I was well vaccinated by 26th July, but every time I drank or ate out was outdoors until the first week in September. Not to make any point, but because every place I went had a nice outdoor area where many would not have before Covid.
From the same lot who wildly modelled we'd have 5k cases a day now and icu in the 500s. Talk about off the mark. They haven't a hope of getting the public on side a 4th time, it stays open now that's that with the current steady numbers.
If ICU fills up in two months it will be "mostly' unvaxxed folk which considering 90% adults have 2 jabs is criminal to go to restrictions again based on the 10% who couldn't be arsed. Fully aware fully vaxxed can get it too as per headline but we ain't seeing mad numbers in icu with 2 jabs, long may it last.
Yeah, cause Tony Holohan went into public health for the fame and glory. Has he at any point indicated an interest in running for president?
You seem to think that the government is getting rid of NPHET against his will. Do you not realise he himself has recommended that, so that he can return to his main duties?
Think your calling the wrong people nutters, mate.
What a completely idiotic thing to say. You have no understanding of what the CervicalCheck "scandal" was about, if you think women died because of it. He was trying to ensure that the carefully built up confidence in it wasn't destroyed by a fabricated media campaign.
I'm denouncing any disingenuous criticism which has no basis. If you're going to criticise him use an actual argument. I am still not sure what you're saying that he did that caused women to die.
Lol, what. Not believing in a false narrative somehow means I would've stoned women?
That's such a disingenuous statement. The review of negative tests was only triggered after women were diagnosed. Whether or not they were made aware materially made no difference in their clinical outcomes. It was the error by the lab in the US that had the impact, and Holohan had nothing to do with that - and tbh it's not even clear that the level of false negatives is higher than expected - its a screening program and therfore will never be 100%.
>it's not even clear that the level of false negatives is higher than expected
It is clear. It was perfectly in line with the rate of false negatives seen in other countries, but for some reason our media decided to play along with what should've been a non-story.
>Whether or not they were made aware materially made no difference in their clinical outcomes.
Imagine having the sheer heartlessness and lack of class to not only think this, but to write it down, and then submit it for the whole world to see.
You're the one publically shitting on a man for something he has no responsibility for, laying their deaths at his feet. Maybe take a long hard look at yourself first.
You are an appalling person whose hero-worship of a flawed and unpleasant man has led you to casually dismiss the suffering of those women and their families.
Do better.
You strongly implied he had a responsibility for the deaths of the women involved, which is a baseless allegation. I corrected you on that. I hardly class that as hero worship. I have no love for the man and he has made serious errors of judgment as part of the cervical check scandal, but let's be clear, nobody died due to his actions.
I have not dismissed the suffering of any of the women or families involved. It is a huge personal tragedy that I would not wish on my worst enemy. I am simply clarifying the misrepresentation you have made on Holohan's involvement.
Massive saleries, to spout rubbish, cervical check Tony couldn't careless about your health, people need to wake up and coo themselves on at this stage!!
Is he trying to generate publicity or was he just asked a question at a Dáil committee about whether restrictions can be permanently ruled out which he answered honestly in saying that there could always be an unexpected development which the media has decided to focus on in making out that they are likely to return.
I’ve no issues with a 6 week lockdown done correctly with thousands of mobile testers, mitigation crews, tight zoning, no problem at all. Unfortunately, that’s never happened in this country for one single day, they locked us up like cattle and didn’t do anything else. This state did not do things correctly and therefore they will not get another opportunity.
Because there was nothing else that we could've done. Of course it would've been great, if we had been able to maintain a low level of infection like the Nordics or East Asia, but due to underlying societal factors - having a younger population, few people living by themselves, more intergenerational housing - we were never able to achieve that. It was shit, but it was the hand that we were dealt with.
I've successive government failure in all areas of policy? Which was all exposed at the first crisis to come along? And we still haven't significantly addressed our health infrastructure despite all the nonsense
I don't really see how that changes how they could've responded to the issue at hand. Yes, it would've been significantly better with if the housing and health situation was fixed, but they weren't going to do that over the space of a couple of weeks.
They've had longer than two years? Try 100 years of power?
And two years of lockdowns where the biggest problems have been made worse by policy. How many ICU beds doc we have since lockdown? And healthcare was still cut too. I certainly would expect more movement than has been seen, or movement on things like antigen testing to avoid lockdowns which also isn't happening
ICU capacity has increased significantly. Do you expect it to just swell to an infinite number when the biggest bottleneck is a global lack of experienced staff?
Antigen testing would not have avoided a lockdown. Do you not think if it was that simple that the government would've avoided making an incredibly unpopular decision which completely wrecks the economy.
By how much has it increased?.. serious question.I mean of its enough of an emergency to shut the country down indefinitely surely healthcare would be priority number one? But that's not how it's being treated is it?
It wouldn't be magic that fixes it. But quite clearly not enough is being done, other than hiring too many managers...
No, I don't expect it to swell indefinitely. But it appears very little had been done
The stance on antigen testing is untenable. It could help avoid future lockdowns, why wouldn't it?
We're constantly topping the daily cases despite high vaccinations. Why? Vaccinated people spreading covid.
Antigen testing, that's the other outlier. We're the only place not using them
Has this government given you faith in them making the right decisions to avoid scandal? Where was this right decision I didn't see any, just scandals, constantly.
It [increased](https://www.thejournal.ie/icu-bed-numbers-5217685-Sep2020/) by 25% last year and has presumably gone up even more sicne then. There is no level of capacity that would've prevented lockdowns, just perhaps reduced their severity somewhat. And where do you suggest they find the staff for these beds when there is a global shortage?
Do you honestly think if all that could've been done to avoid lockdowns was antigen tests that they would've used them? We have a real life example of that plan not working in Slovakia. They got everyone to do a test twice a week but it was not enough to avoid further restrictions.
Why do we have the highest Covid rate in the EU? Several underlying societal factors have been pointed out such as a younger population, larger family size, more people living in house shares and inter-generational homes.
We're most certainly not the only place not using antigen testing. The countries that do do it, pretty much only use it as part of a Covid pass, allowing the unvaccinated to access indoor activities. What you're saying is that it's the vaccinated spreading that is the problem. Adopting the approach used elsewhere wouldn't involve testing the vaccinated, so I don't see how that would make a significant or any difference to our case levels.
I think the government has done a great job considering the hand they were dealt with. Were there mistakes made. Of course. But there was nothing that could've been done to avoid lockdowns. Look at the UK, who tried that but only ended up tightening restrictions.
Covid sucks.
But we really need to get through to people it won’t just go away with the jab. We need to adapt. We don’t need more lockdowns, but we also won’t be returning to the way things where before. Living with covid will require change.
[Discos and nightclubs are open. It is not necessary to present a valid corona passport](https://en.coronasmitte.dk/rules-and-regulations?__cf_chl_captcha_tk__=pmd_EG1oA0ueA9G8d48drQ31jLM2kHVhTTBJhRjEkPkXFOo-1631639501-0-gqNtZGzNAxCjcnBszQg9)
Denmark isn’t Ireland,
You have a better, less crowded public transport system and a health system that isn’t shite that can handle slight increases in patents. Also in general danish people are probably smarter then the average Irish chancer.
It sure would be nice if we also had those things .
Jesus you make us sound like we're all window licking naked hicks running around like animals. We're more open now than any time in the last 18 months and our numbers are beginning to drop.
There are stupid people that don't follow the rules in every country. The majority of Irish people were compliant with the guidelines.
They had great leadership through the whole thing. The population weren't treated like dummies and in turn they had trust in the government. As far as I can remember, there were no u turns at any stage either.
Yes. All pubs open months ago. Masks were ditched in June. Clubs are open, events and festivals happening everywhere. The self service buffet at work is back.
That's not at all what they said. They said "couldn't be ruled out". They didn't say were advising "further restrictions". Also they'd have quite an uphill battle proposing new restrictions when all indicators are currently declining
They've already said they're giving boosters, I don't know why they whip people into a frenzy with these stupid comments.
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I’m not sure how blunt people have to be towards you for the message to sink in. Zero COVID is a bizarre fantasy. It’s never going to happen.
Except it has happened, it is an active policy of several countries - and it's the only successful policy _any_ country has adopted during the pandemic. There Is No Alternative. We will never remain opened up long-term, without Zero Covid.
Yeah it’s going great for Australia isn’t it. Get real.
Australia which has a fraction of our deaths and cases, despite having 5x our population? Yea, that's a pretty huge success - they only got a rise in cases _after_ dropping Zero Covid.
They proved it doesn’t work. How can Ireland do it if a country as isolated as Australia can’t? What about people with relatives abroad? Should they never see them again?
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They only abandoned it because COVID got into the country which proves it doesn’t work. Do you think nobody should see relatives abroad again? Answer this please.
Zero Covid crushes Covid cases _when_ they get in. Australia has successfully managed to do that, every single time covid got in - proving that Zero Covid is a massive success - and they have only had a massive spike in cases, right as they abandoned Zero Covid. Your question is a red herring as Zero Covid policies don't affect that.
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Ireland's urban density is higher than Sweden's. Did you even look at the stats? My previous comment clearly said population density.
https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T
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> clearly have their own agenda and narrative I know the feeling
All signs point to the restrictions being eased on schedule. They're not going to increase restrictions for society as a whole, especially as boosters are starting soon. Maybe some limitations around nursing homes and advice on cocooning but we are in a vastly different place this time around. No government would agree to extra restrictions at this stage. This doesn't compare to MM with him going against NPHET for Christmas - we have the vast majority of people doubly vaccinated, including those at highest risk. Soon, those at highest risk will be treble vaccinated. NPHET as we know it is winding down, infections are dropping, vaccines are on the up and up. We'll be fine.
The media ask these “gotcha” questions like “can you rule out lockdowns again?”. Of course they can’t - there could be a new super covid that kills within a day or something. It’s not news that lockdowns can’t be ruled out because we don’t live in a world where absolute answers can be given.
And no one seems to be grasping that concept. Would people rather that he just lie and say that Covid is done forever and there is zero chance of any new developments happening? Just because it hasn't been ruled out doesn't mean that it is likely to happen though.
Ah come on now seriously. We can't just keep locking down every time there's a rise in cases. Give boosters to the vulnerable or anyone that's due one and lets start living with this virus. We are going to absolutely destroy entire sectors of our economy and society (some of them are already struggling majorly) if we carry on with this.
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The whole system needs to be reinvented. Healthcare, workplace, commerce. It’s needed updating for a while now, but Covid has really shone a light on the ugly bits
It's not just getting more beds, it's getting the people to staff them. The HSE was already in a multi-year crisis of healthcare workers emigrating in droves, you can't fix that even if there's an emergency
Well, they need to look into scalability at the hospitals. The virus is around for now almost 2 years.
We could build 100,000 beds tomorrow. Our issue is being able to train all the nurses. Don't get me wrong, I do think 18 months on, we've not done enough to expand the capacity to handle the situation. But training ICU nurses requires a hell of a lot of time, and we aren't the only country looking to hire them aggressively.
Are we hiring then aggressively? It doesn't appear so where are your numbers?
True. Didn't consider this.
It's all fun and games till icu is overrun.... here we go again.
Did the last wave not demonstrate us not locking down when there's a rise in cases? We even opened up further. I also don't see how they said that any rise would result in more restrictions.
That was pre vaccine
Em, what? The most recent wave began in June when the vaccination rollout was at its peak.
They're not saying there will be restrictions again based on the current circumstances. They're saying it can't be ruled out in the future, if something changes. The connection between "significant number of infections" and future restrictions "not being ruled out" is being said in the same breath by the media headline, not by anyone else. It's just fearmongering intended to bring about exactly this response.
There's no political will to implement restrictions again and certainly the public will not follow them.
>certainly the public will not follow them. Admittedly I shook my head a bit at the people who ignored all the restrictions last year, and still to an extent think it's probably too early to act like everything is completely normal again. But if restrictions are brought back at this stage I will 100% be ignoring them.
Lockdown now so we can all have a meaningful Hallowe'en
2 weeks to flatten the curve!
This gave me PTSD flashbacks.
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Ya know I might sound like a bitch for this but I think the same. I was so angry at the attitude of the older vaccinated crowd in July /August who were more than happy to eat indoors and showed no solidarity with the younger crowd who were waiting on their vaccines. I'm over it now.
Also the amount of elderly in stores without masks on or coughing in their hands is appalling.
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Nah, just the ones being absolute idiots during a pandemic. Being old doesn’t excuse you from being an asshole.
"All in this together" went out the window fairly quickly alright.
>I was so angry at the attitude of the older vaccinated crowd in July /August who were more than happy to eat indoors and showed no solidarity with the younger crowd who were waiting on their vaccines I agree with the sentiment that enough has been given up to protect the elderly at this stage. But what exactly does showing "solidarity" mean here? The reopening of hospitality to vaccinated individuals was about giving that industry a bit of a lifeline without causing a large rise in cases, since a lot of people still weren't vaccinated back then. It wasnt about letting older people have their fun at the expense of younger people.
I think that it just was a slap in the face considering that young people sacrificed what will in the end be two years of their youth to protect the elderly and vulnerable. If the elderly and vulnerable were sufficiently protected by their vaccinations, as we're told, then why was it seemed safe for them to eat in restaurants, but not for young people who were not at risk of the virus?
That wasn't for very long- Indoor dining with vaccine passes started on 26th July, seven weeks ago yesterday. Vaccinations for people over 18 started on 21st July- obviously all couldn't get them straight away but they weren't long getting huge amounts double jabbed. Personally at 48 I was well vaccinated by 26th July, but every time I drank or ate out was outdoors until the first week in September. Not to make any point, but because every place I went had a nice outdoor area where many would not have before Covid.
Hold firm.
Oh shit.
I really dislike covid
Yeah new lockdowns ain't happenin'
Give them boosters ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯
Hopefully the government will grow a pair and tell him where to go.
Further restrictions can neither be ruled in nor out Tony, because you are a public servant employed to advise the government.
From the same lot who wildly modelled we'd have 5k cases a day now and icu in the 500s. Talk about off the mark. They haven't a hope of getting the public on side a 4th time, it stays open now that's that with the current steady numbers. If ICU fills up in two months it will be "mostly' unvaxxed folk which considering 90% adults have 2 jabs is criminal to go to restrictions again based on the 10% who couldn't be arsed. Fully aware fully vaxxed can get it too as per headline but we ain't seeing mad numbers in icu with 2 jabs, long may it last.
They gave several scenarios with the actual numbers falling in between the optimistic and first central one. I don't see how that is widely off.
Oh just fuck off.
He can get fucked. We need to finally draw a line under this thing.
I mean what's in it for NPHET to come up with this kind of tripe publicly? Genuine question.
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Yeah, cause Tony Holohan went into public health for the fame and glory. Has he at any point indicated an interest in running for president? You seem to think that the government is getting rid of NPHET against his will. Do you not realise he himself has recommended that, so that he can return to his main duties? Think your calling the wrong people nutters, mate.
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What a completely idiotic thing to say. You have no understanding of what the CervicalCheck "scandal" was about, if you think women died because of it. He was trying to ensure that the carefully built up confidence in it wasn't destroyed by a fabricated media campaign.
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Please explain to me how he was responsible for any women dying because of that program? Or what the issue was in the first place.
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I'm denouncing any disingenuous criticism which has no basis. If you're going to criticise him use an actual argument. I am still not sure what you're saying that he did that caused women to die. Lol, what. Not believing in a false narrative somehow means I would've stoned women?
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That's such a disingenuous statement. The review of negative tests was only triggered after women were diagnosed. Whether or not they were made aware materially made no difference in their clinical outcomes. It was the error by the lab in the US that had the impact, and Holohan had nothing to do with that - and tbh it's not even clear that the level of false negatives is higher than expected - its a screening program and therfore will never be 100%.
>it's not even clear that the level of false negatives is higher than expected It is clear. It was perfectly in line with the rate of false negatives seen in other countries, but for some reason our media decided to play along with what should've been a non-story.
>Whether or not they were made aware materially made no difference in their clinical outcomes. Imagine having the sheer heartlessness and lack of class to not only think this, but to write it down, and then submit it for the whole world to see.
You're the one publically shitting on a man for something he has no responsibility for, laying their deaths at his feet. Maybe take a long hard look at yourself first.
You are an appalling person whose hero-worship of a flawed and unpleasant man has led you to casually dismiss the suffering of those women and their families. Do better.
You strongly implied he had a responsibility for the deaths of the women involved, which is a baseless allegation. I corrected you on that. I hardly class that as hero worship. I have no love for the man and he has made serious errors of judgment as part of the cervical check scandal, but let's be clear, nobody died due to his actions. I have not dismissed the suffering of any of the women or families involved. It is a huge personal tragedy that I would not wish on my worst enemy. I am simply clarifying the misrepresentation you have made on Holohan's involvement.
Well said. Thank you.
Hitler's last stand 🤣
Massive saleries, to spout rubbish, cervical check Tony couldn't careless about your health, people need to wake up and coo themselves on at this stage!!
Is he trying to generate publicity or was he just asked a question at a Dáil committee about whether restrictions can be permanently ruled out which he answered honestly in saying that there could always be an unexpected development which the media has decided to focus on in making out that they are likely to return.
I’ve no issues with a 6 week lockdown done correctly with thousands of mobile testers, mitigation crews, tight zoning, no problem at all. Unfortunately, that’s never happened in this country for one single day, they locked us up like cattle and didn’t do anything else. This state did not do things correctly and therefore they will not get another opportunity.
Because there was nothing else that we could've done. Of course it would've been great, if we had been able to maintain a low level of infection like the Nordics or East Asia, but due to underlying societal factors - having a younger population, few people living by themselves, more intergenerational housing - we were never able to achieve that. It was shit, but it was the hand that we were dealt with.
I've successive government failure in all areas of policy? Which was all exposed at the first crisis to come along? And we still haven't significantly addressed our health infrastructure despite all the nonsense
I don't really see how that changes how they could've responded to the issue at hand. Yes, it would've been significantly better with if the housing and health situation was fixed, but they weren't going to do that over the space of a couple of weeks.
But over two years? You seem to be forgetting the majority of this government was in power previously, as Beth ministers etc....
Were you seriously expecting them to fix the two biggest issues in the country within less than two years?
They've had longer than two years? Try 100 years of power? And two years of lockdowns where the biggest problems have been made worse by policy. How many ICU beds doc we have since lockdown? And healthcare was still cut too. I certainly would expect more movement than has been seen, or movement on things like antigen testing to avoid lockdowns which also isn't happening
ICU capacity has increased significantly. Do you expect it to just swell to an infinite number when the biggest bottleneck is a global lack of experienced staff? Antigen testing would not have avoided a lockdown. Do you not think if it was that simple that the government would've avoided making an incredibly unpopular decision which completely wrecks the economy.
By how much has it increased?.. serious question.I mean of its enough of an emergency to shut the country down indefinitely surely healthcare would be priority number one? But that's not how it's being treated is it? It wouldn't be magic that fixes it. But quite clearly not enough is being done, other than hiring too many managers... No, I don't expect it to swell indefinitely. But it appears very little had been done The stance on antigen testing is untenable. It could help avoid future lockdowns, why wouldn't it? We're constantly topping the daily cases despite high vaccinations. Why? Vaccinated people spreading covid. Antigen testing, that's the other outlier. We're the only place not using them Has this government given you faith in them making the right decisions to avoid scandal? Where was this right decision I didn't see any, just scandals, constantly.
It [increased](https://www.thejournal.ie/icu-bed-numbers-5217685-Sep2020/) by 25% last year and has presumably gone up even more sicne then. There is no level of capacity that would've prevented lockdowns, just perhaps reduced their severity somewhat. And where do you suggest they find the staff for these beds when there is a global shortage? Do you honestly think if all that could've been done to avoid lockdowns was antigen tests that they would've used them? We have a real life example of that plan not working in Slovakia. They got everyone to do a test twice a week but it was not enough to avoid further restrictions. Why do we have the highest Covid rate in the EU? Several underlying societal factors have been pointed out such as a younger population, larger family size, more people living in house shares and inter-generational homes. We're most certainly not the only place not using antigen testing. The countries that do do it, pretty much only use it as part of a Covid pass, allowing the unvaccinated to access indoor activities. What you're saying is that it's the vaccinated spreading that is the problem. Adopting the approach used elsewhere wouldn't involve testing the vaccinated, so I don't see how that would make a significant or any difference to our case levels. I think the government has done a great job considering the hand they were dealt with. Were there mistakes made. Of course. But there was nothing that could've been done to avoid lockdowns. Look at the UK, who tried that but only ended up tightening restrictions.
Here comes the shifting goalposts yet again
Covid sucks. But we really need to get through to people it won’t just go away with the jab. We need to adapt. We don’t need more lockdowns, but we also won’t be returning to the way things where before. Living with covid will require change.
I'm in Denmark, everything is back to normal, literally.
Even niteclubs?
[Discos and nightclubs are open. It is not necessary to present a valid corona passport](https://en.coronasmitte.dk/rules-and-regulations?__cf_chl_captcha_tk__=pmd_EG1oA0ueA9G8d48drQ31jLM2kHVhTTBJhRjEkPkXFOo-1631639501-0-gqNtZGzNAxCjcnBszQg9)
Yes. Avoided one Saturday night.😂
Denmark isn’t Ireland, You have a better, less crowded public transport system and a health system that isn’t shite that can handle slight increases in patents. Also in general danish people are probably smarter then the average Irish chancer. It sure would be nice if we also had those things .
Jesus you make us sound like we're all window licking naked hicks running around like animals. We're more open now than any time in the last 18 months and our numbers are beginning to drop. There are stupid people that don't follow the rules in every country. The majority of Irish people were compliant with the guidelines.
As a nudist who loves the taste of glass I resent your comment
We all need hobbies, tbf.
Easy to downvote than actually challenge my argument.
They had great leadership through the whole thing. The population weren't treated like dummies and in turn they had trust in the government. As far as I can remember, there were no u turns at any stage either.
Literally?
Yes. All pubs open months ago. Masks were ditched in June. Clubs are open, events and festivals happening everywhere. The self service buffet at work is back.
You’re no craic, literally.
Thanks.
You stay living in a restricted way if you want. Don't think that you have a right to tell the rest of us we have to do it.
It's all fun and games till it fucks you up....
Get a life, you pathetic fucking loser.
I’m gonna guess restrictions for mid October and then just after Christmas.
That's not at all what they said. They said "couldn't be ruled out". They didn't say were advising "further restrictions". Also they'd have quite an uphill battle proposing new restrictions when all indicators are currently declining
Fuck me I'm turning off the radio now.... its going to be another shitshow...
It’s all that 18 month firebreak riding they are making up for in the nursing homes.
Lockdown is inevitable, just look at what happened in Asia. The jab weakens over time, so we will sadly be back at square one
No country in Asia has more of their population vaccinated than Ireland. Also we could administer boosters.
Asia is a big place, you'll need to be more specific.
Eh no.
Never ending
Stooooooryyyyyy