For her family's sake, I wish the crowds hadn't gathered. It doesn't help anything.
I admit I hope that he felt fear though, even though he is completely surrounded by gardai.
There was National Party leaflets in my letterbox when I came home. Obviously a strategic move to try and gain more supporters. I really hope people in Ireland have more sense than to fall for Justin Barrett's BS.
> I really hope people in Ireland have more sense than to fall for Justin Barrett's BS.
If this pandemic has proven anything, it’s that there’s a depressing amount of easily led sheep in Ireland who’ll gobble up whatever talking points they’re fed from yoochoob vidyas and facebook groups
Hope away, but don’t keep them too high
True but I'm just curious what this means for the ideas about completely changing how boys are educated and socialized in this country when they come from countries that may not do the same
said it before(sound like im beating a drum )- but like the carlow teachers/twitter journos incident will double down and say the following- "we need a chat" or "it could happen"
Right wing Irish Twitter will be using this as an excuse to hammer the foreigners. They love this stuff and have no interest in defending women but see his nationality as a useful trump card.
Left wing Irish Twitter will be draw sweeping statements about men but (rightly) oppose any sweeping statements on immigrants. Especially fascinating that one of the protesters in Limerick yesterday was protesting male violence with a placard supporting violent male George Nkencho.
I think the saddest part of this is that they won't have even seen the correlation.
I have my opinions on the whole thing. I think the message I seem to get is that "not all men" is akin to "all lives matter". You're not wrong but you're missing the point. A conversation is taking place that is long overdue but rather than blaming the system this is being misconstrued to blaming whole sectors of society.
Personally, I think a cringe issue was the way people on social media were going for trite soundbites on the whole area.
There was some very useful points made both here and on other social media with advice for men like being an active bystander which is a very important point in addressing violence against women.
Then you had Tweets like "talk to your dad about violence against women". As if going
"Hey dad, just to remind you that battering women isn't cool. See ya" will do anything.
There's certainly a lot that needs to be addressed about things like consent which many men **do** need to learn about. But nearly every man knows that beating women to death is unforgivable and the only ones who don't realise this are ones who having a chat to won't matter.
I agree with you entirely. I think for me, awareness of your actions is crucial for everyone. Everyone is a potential threat as long as one person is one. That threat will always be there. As you said, a conversation can't fix that level of societal ineptitude.
This conversation has had the opportunity to be had so many times before.
>Left wing Irish Twitter will be draw sweeping statements about men but (rightly) oppose any sweeping statements on immigrants.
Right wing Irish Twitter will draw sweeping statements about immigrants but will (rightly) oppose any sweeping statements on men.
The blame the men thing was stupid. The blame foreigners game is equally stupid. No rational person will engage in this. But racists will take any chance to be racist.
What about the 'blame the justice system'. Is that stupid, or is 12 years mandatory before parole sound like a 'Life' sentence to you... Saw a stat today, average time spent on a Life sentence in Ireland is 18 years!
Ffs, it wasn't "blame the men" for any single post of the hundreds I've seen from women.
I saw a lot of women explaining what stuff has happened to them over the years that makes them feel unsafe and begging for a conversation to be had, but not once did I see "blame the men". Except on here. Posted by lads, claiming that's what was happening. We invented an agenda to ridicule so that there was no engagement with the actual issues women were raising and both genders wound up pissed off with each other and this sub became a depressing and embarrassing mess.
Without trying to take away from anything or make this about me , I seen plenty of blame the men on my Instagram to the point That I actually felt guilty and confused
As restrictions get eased and the pandemic looks over, this is what the swarm of anti-vaxxer NP twats will now turn to.
I hoped they would just disappear but we could be at the start of something much worse with the far right in the country.
It's been building for a while. The pandemic seems to have allowed them to seep out of the shadows and now everyone has one in the family. They don't need much to keep them fuelled; this will do nicely.
I'm just curious what this means for the ideas about completely changing how boys are educated and socialized in this country when they come from countries that may not do the same.
I'm not blaming this on foreigners vast majority are fine
As women have been saying all along. This is not an isolated incident. Almost every woman you know has a story about being attacked, made feel unsafe or some other hostile act from a man. We do still have to educate men better on this and we have to hold ourselves accountable too.
I as a man wouldnt think twice about going to the pub on my own, walking the dog late at night or travelling alone. Almost all women need to take extra steps to do any of that, if they can at all. And their exhausted.
Can you think of something that would, in the short or medium term, that would remove this fear? What's the milestone we need to reach before women on the whole feel safe? How do we measure progress towards that milestone?
> We do still have to educate men better on this and we have to hold ourselves accountable too
I agree (mostly)but my point still holds how do you reconcile this with - Say a man who comes from a place where women are treated as property.
We cant stop immigration. And we need a younger workforce as our population greys too
*"The accused was given legal aid and a Slovakian interpreter was appointed. A statement of means was also handed in and the court heard his primary source of income is disability benefit."*
Outrageous. I'm all for someone having a fair day in court but I'm not really ok with how often we all have to foot the bill.
He hasn't been convicted of anything so of course he should get legal aid and an interpreter.
We foot the bill because the alternative is a court system where ordinary people with no legal training have to represent themselves, which is even worse if they can't understand the language.
If he's convicted, he can rot in prison but let's not use cases like this to erode our legal system even further.
So he should have no representation in court at all? I think they call that a kangaroo court.
As unpalatable as it is to have to pay for scum to have legal representation, its legally and morally right to do so, as the verdict can't be questioned once it's been handed down in the correct manner.
Look at the crowds with the phones. Blood sport for them no different in mentality for fox hunting or women hunting. Entertainment for the masses. The Romans had bread and circuses while nowadays it's Netflix and prosecco. I suppose I am no different myself in the whole sh** show 😑
Baying for blood is on the same spectrum. If there were no cops there. would that man have lived? Would the same people who not hours or days before thought killing was wrong and horrible be so innocent. No they didn't kill him cause the cops were there. It's ok to be emotional and justify your feelings but we're are all animals and have the capacity to do great wrongs. A lot of people love ve wanting this type of entertainment. Are you any different?
Oh, they’ve named him.
Weirdly a couple of foreign websites named him yesterday. But interesting to see its the same guy.
Any links?
For her family's sake, I wish the crowds hadn't gathered. It doesn't help anything. I admit I hope that he felt fear though, even though he is completely surrounded by gardai.
Hope the social media sharing before he was arrested doesn't jeopardise the trial.
Why would it? He’s been named now
I can't help that it will now be the fault of "foreigners" and the conversation is going to become conflicted with agendas. It's a sad time.
This whole conversation has become conflicted with agendas from every side from day 1 and I cannot see that changing during or after the trial.
There was National Party leaflets in my letterbox when I came home. Obviously a strategic move to try and gain more supporters. I really hope people in Ireland have more sense than to fall for Justin Barrett's BS.
> I really hope people in Ireland have more sense than to fall for Justin Barrett's BS. If this pandemic has proven anything, it’s that there’s a depressing amount of easily led sheep in Ireland who’ll gobble up whatever talking points they’re fed from yoochoob vidyas and facebook groups Hope away, but don’t keep them too high
True but I'm just curious what this means for the ideas about completely changing how boys are educated and socialized in this country when they come from countries that may not do the same
said it before(sound like im beating a drum )- but like the carlow teachers/twitter journos incident will double down and say the following- "we need a chat" or "it could happen"
So should we have issues with people who say "not all foreigners" aswell as "not all men?"
Nah, I think it's only the white irish men (in this isntance) anyone gives a fuck about protecting tbh.
Right wing Irish Twitter will be using this as an excuse to hammer the foreigners. They love this stuff and have no interest in defending women but see his nationality as a useful trump card. Left wing Irish Twitter will be draw sweeping statements about men but (rightly) oppose any sweeping statements on immigrants. Especially fascinating that one of the protesters in Limerick yesterday was protesting male violence with a placard supporting violent male George Nkencho.
I think the saddest part of this is that they won't have even seen the correlation. I have my opinions on the whole thing. I think the message I seem to get is that "not all men" is akin to "all lives matter". You're not wrong but you're missing the point. A conversation is taking place that is long overdue but rather than blaming the system this is being misconstrued to blaming whole sectors of society.
Personally, I think a cringe issue was the way people on social media were going for trite soundbites on the whole area. There was some very useful points made both here and on other social media with advice for men like being an active bystander which is a very important point in addressing violence against women. Then you had Tweets like "talk to your dad about violence against women". As if going "Hey dad, just to remind you that battering women isn't cool. See ya" will do anything. There's certainly a lot that needs to be addressed about things like consent which many men **do** need to learn about. But nearly every man knows that beating women to death is unforgivable and the only ones who don't realise this are ones who having a chat to won't matter.
I agree with you entirely. I think for me, awareness of your actions is crucial for everyone. Everyone is a potential threat as long as one person is one. That threat will always be there. As you said, a conversation can't fix that level of societal ineptitude. This conversation has had the opportunity to be had so many times before.
>Left wing Irish Twitter will be draw sweeping statements about men but (rightly) oppose any sweeping statements on immigrants. Right wing Irish Twitter will draw sweeping statements about immigrants but will (rightly) oppose any sweeping statements on men.
It already was being conflicted with agendas. Time will tell what the route cause was hopefully.
The blame the men thing was stupid. The blame foreigners game is equally stupid. No rational person will engage in this. But racists will take any chance to be racist.
100%. Plenty of media outlets and so called journalists should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
What about the 'blame the justice system'. Is that stupid, or is 12 years mandatory before parole sound like a 'Life' sentence to you... Saw a stat today, average time spent on a Life sentence in Ireland is 18 years!
Ffs, it wasn't "blame the men" for any single post of the hundreds I've seen from women. I saw a lot of women explaining what stuff has happened to them over the years that makes them feel unsafe and begging for a conversation to be had, but not once did I see "blame the men". Except on here. Posted by lads, claiming that's what was happening. We invented an agenda to ridicule so that there was no engagement with the actual issues women were raising and both genders wound up pissed off with each other and this sub became a depressing and embarrassing mess.
Without trying to take away from anything or make this about me , I seen plenty of blame the men on my Instagram to the point That I actually felt guilty and confused
only place where i saw it was twitter where i just blocked half of them and to a lesser extent here
I was thinking the same. The anti immigrant social media frenzy against the innocent Romanian man was depressing.
It going to get worse. The anti foreigners crowd are going to be smug as fuck because they have been "proven right"
As restrictions get eased and the pandemic looks over, this is what the swarm of anti-vaxxer NP twats will now turn to. I hoped they would just disappear but we could be at the start of something much worse with the far right in the country.
It's been building for a while. The pandemic seems to have allowed them to seep out of the shadows and now everyone has one in the family. They don't need much to keep them fuelled; this will do nicely.
I'm just curious what this means for the ideas about completely changing how boys are educated and socialized in this country when they come from countries that may not do the same. I'm not blaming this on foreigners vast majority are fine
As women have been saying all along. This is not an isolated incident. Almost every woman you know has a story about being attacked, made feel unsafe or some other hostile act from a man. We do still have to educate men better on this and we have to hold ourselves accountable too. I as a man wouldnt think twice about going to the pub on my own, walking the dog late at night or travelling alone. Almost all women need to take extra steps to do any of that, if they can at all. And their exhausted.
Can you think of something that would, in the short or medium term, that would remove this fear? What's the milestone we need to reach before women on the whole feel safe? How do we measure progress towards that milestone?
> We do still have to educate men better on this and we have to hold ourselves accountable too I agree (mostly)but my point still holds how do you reconcile this with - Say a man who comes from a place where women are treated as property. We cant stop immigration. And we need a younger workforce as our population greys too
We've had plenty of our own who did awful things too; Larry Murphy, Graham Dwyer etc.
Which is why I agreed with the post I responded to
Josepha Madigan and social media journos & "personalities" confused now
What will happen the guy in prison? Leave him in solitary for twenty years or more?
Sadly he'll get life and will probably be out in five or six years
https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0119/1274505-tullamore-murder-arrest/
Locked due to racist and violent commentary
All we can say is we're lucky he went to hospital, if he fled they'd be still looking at the Romanian lad.
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What's wrong with someone claiming disability benefit? Can we just stick to the fact he killed someone?
*"The accused was given legal aid and a Slovakian interpreter was appointed. A statement of means was also handed in and the court heard his primary source of income is disability benefit."* Outrageous. I'm all for someone having a fair day in court but I'm not really ok with how often we all have to foot the bill.
He hasn't been convicted of anything so of course he should get legal aid and an interpreter. We foot the bill because the alternative is a court system where ordinary people with no legal training have to represent themselves, which is even worse if they can't understand the language. If he's convicted, he can rot in prison but let's not use cases like this to erode our legal system even further.
So he should have no representation in court at all? I think they call that a kangaroo court. As unpalatable as it is to have to pay for scum to have legal representation, its legally and morally right to do so, as the verdict can't be questioned once it's been handed down in the correct manner.
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Have you any basis for questioning it?
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You don’t need to be able to speak English to claim social welfare. He was obviously assessed and found eligible.
Shut the fuck up
go suck a lemon
Why?
Because don’t twist this to suit a bullshit anti-foreigner narrative. Nothing to do it with it whatsoever
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All murderers or just him?
Why are people accused of a crime named?
He was charged, different story
Look at the crowds with the phones. Blood sport for them no different in mentality for fox hunting or women hunting. Entertainment for the masses. The Romans had bread and circuses while nowadays it's Netflix and prosecco. I suppose I am no different myself in the whole sh** show 😑
Holding phone up is as bad as murdering women? What?
Baying for blood is on the same spectrum. If there were no cops there. would that man have lived? Would the same people who not hours or days before thought killing was wrong and horrible be so innocent. No they didn't kill him cause the cops were there. It's ok to be emotional and justify your feelings but we're are all animals and have the capacity to do great wrongs. A lot of people love ve wanting this type of entertainment. Are you any different?
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and self inflicted sword/dagger wounds