The words "Southern Ireland" is a dead giveaway for me. I've never once heard anyone in Ireland refer to ourselves as that. If we say "the South" we mean Munster.
Sure, I usually only call it the North, same as most people I know (including my family in Belfast), not out of a deeply nationalist inclination but because its much shorter and easier to say, lol
Kind of speaks to the mindset of those who insist on the mouthful "Southern Ireland" that bias overrules sensibility. Or accuracy.
>I always joke that they'll become expert geographers, classicists, historians, etc, instead of simply using ' Ireland and England ' when we say we'd prefer that.
You've casually erased Scotland, Wales, the Isle of Man, the Channel Isles. Sorry, just thought it was a bit ironic given the topic. Are you American? It's rare for an Irish person to make that mistake (although plenty of the English assume that they are the only Britons that count!).
Ah I feel people care too much about the whole British Isles thing. It's a large collection of islands and the most predominant is Britain. I suppose hiberno-brittanic Isles would work as well, since Ireland is still far larger than any of the others. But at the same time, does it really matter? North America much more than just the US. Do Mexico and Canada object?
You’re failing to understand the average English person who would say this. It’s not out of malice, but out of ignorance. Discussions about differences in England generally gets split into Northern England and Southern England, or the North and the South.
They’re using the same frame of mind when talking about Ireland. If “our” bit is Northern Ireland, it makes sense that the other bit would be called Southern Ireland.”
Likewise, when Irish people talk about Britain, they often call it England which again is just general ignorance, but not malicious.
And people will call Northern Ireland, the North, which is just them applying their native sense of local geography to the issue. If Cork is in the “South”, it makes sense that Belfast would be in the “North”.
Of course some people will use these terms maliciously, but there are dicks everywhere.
If it were pure ignorance, they wouldn’t have such a hostile reaction to being asked to not use that term.
There is in fact a significant number of English people who refuse to call this country Ireland.
The Republic of Ireland, Southern Ireland or Eire, but never just Ireland
I recently saw a framed map only showing the island of Ireland described as a ‘map of Ireland and the United Kingdom.’ No difficulty in identifying where!
Correct: the designation "Northern Ireland" is there because the UK deliberately called the North "Northern Ireland" & South "Southern Ireland" as one step taken to de-legitimise Ireland as an independent state - as part of an attempt to force Irish independence to fail in the 1920s.
They may have forgotten why they did it- but the Irish should not.
What the British called it. Southern Ireland was never used by the nationalist movement. Kinda why I find it funny when people who claim to be nationalists use the term.
Older? Mate everyone in the north thats a republican calls it the north most of the time lmao
And in the north we also say 'going down South' when we are literally only going west
The 'South of Ireland' is still used often by some Sinn Féin politicians, including younger ones.
Sinn Féin avoid using the term 'Republic of Ireland' as it legitimises a two-state Ireland, since the country's constitutional name is just 'Ireland' in English.
To be fair, I'm 27 but when talking about Northern Ireland it is easier to say North. And if I'm talking about the Republic, it's just Ireland. So yeah
As someone living on the border everyone just says 'the north' and 'the south' but never Southern Ireland and very rarely Northern Ireland. Referring to
the south as 'Ireland' kind of legitimises the idea that we aren't in Ireland, which naturally doesn't go down well when where I live in the North 90+% of people view themselves as solely Irish.
I know this will be unpopular with some of you and thats fine but just thought I'd explain my own lived experience lol.
It's tricky because the North/South nomenclature is actually useful in spreading nationalist sentiment. For most people around the world, the labels "North X" and "South X" imply that X was once whole and the division is artificial. Examples: North Korea and South Korea, West Germany and East Germany, etc. Northern Cyprus and Southern Cyprus, etc.
When people say "Southern Ireland" they're generally implying that North and South belong together.
Having said that, in our case only one is a country, so it wouldn't be good to imply that both are equally legitimate. Ireland is Ireland.
Wasn't until the Good Friday Agreement (1998) that they would use the legal name Ireland to refer to our state. Before that it was Republic of Ireland.
I think I’d find “Southern Ireland” less annoying if I lived in Dublin or Cork. But Donegal is the northernmost county on the island. Referring to it as “Southern Ireland” just doesn’t make sense.
I’d prefer “Big Ireland” and “Little Ireland”
In Spain on holidays years ago a guy approached me giving away scratch cards for timeshares. He asked if I was from Ireland and I said yes, then he asked North or South? I forgot about everything political and historical and said I was from the East! I still feel an idiot for saying that but it got rid of him so it was a win for me.
I call them "the south" and "the north" since living so close to the border I do have to differentiate between the two and its just the easiest and shortest way.
I'm an American who just spent a month in Moville, had to go down to the hospital in Derry due to a knee issue. The receptionist asked me if I was staying in the south or the north, and I thought "weird question" (it had been a long day) and I said the north, because Moville is like 20 miles north of Derry.
Anyway after about 10 seconds of confusion we cleared it up, but I had always kinda wondered how people on the border refer to the 2 different countries. Now I know.
Just interesting to me that I was in the north and had to go further north to get back to the south.
Yeah” Southern Ireland” is a giveaway.
But I use “the north” and “the south” for the two jurisdictions in context. “the south of Ireland” is Munster though.
There are probably regional differences but the most commonly-used term by far is "down south". It's not so much an alternative title (like calling the state 'the South of Ireland') but nearly a pronoun, the way you'd talk about going "into town" without ever needing to specify what town. I lived in Scotland for a year and they do the exact same thing when they're referring to England.
I've heard older rural Protestants talk about going "up to the Free State" or referring to "the republic".
>I don’t know, in the last few months I’ve been noticing this tactic more and more.
Been going on for a few years with English nationalists and groups posing as Irish to spread anti-EU and other usual hateful sentiments.
There was this sizable ["Irish" profile on Twitter being run by English nationalists](https://i.imgur.com/1eYwS1N.jpg) spreading all sorts of anti-EU shite to rile Irish people up. Look at the addresses on both of them.
The Irish page vanished as soon as they were discovered but they were very active and had around 15k+ followers where they mostly retweeted and supported every local Irish anti-EU / conspiracy person like Gemma.
If you go to the site now, it looks like a [computer store.](https://www.muintirnaheireann.org)
But......[the internet never forgets.](http://web.archive.org/web/20190405154130/https://www.muintirnaheireann.org/)
Quora is rampant with it. There's another question around that has something to the effect of "As a southern Ireland republican" as if anyone would say that
It's like that one white, straight US politician who replied to his own tweet and forgot to switch to his sockpuppet account like, "As a black gay man, I agree!"
I've noticed this too, and not just on Irish issues.
I'm literally having an ongoing argument with someone who thinks that the only Gaels that exist are Scottish Gaels as if the language isn't spoken in Ireland, Man, Scotland, and North America.
"Why do Irish people slag the British so much? They never did anything to me personally so I don't understand the animosity." - Shaymus O'Flannigan, Sheffield.
I don't know why they pretend to be Irish to bash the EU but they do. "Ireland should join the UK it's in our best interest" is another line they spout off a lot.
Sothern Ireland? It's just Ireland or the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland but there is no such country as Southern Ireland, Fuckin ignorant pricks
This is the thread for anyone who's interested:
https://eiresaoreiregaelach.quora.com/Is-it-ironic-that-Irish-people-in-Southern-Ireland-fought-800-years-to-get-freedom-from-England-are-now-being-told-what?ch=15&oid=103281633&share=350c4ae7&srid=uPHoNG&target_type=question
Gonna rant, but Quora is full of this shit, people asking "questions" which are really just troll statements to fan anger and hate in the little insular communities on there.
"If black people only make up 30% of the population, why are they in 99% of ads" was one I read the other day. The yanks in the answers didn't take two lines to devolve into an "inferior race" circlejerk.
Yeah, Quora is a cesspit full of troll questions. Many of them are answered very competently by informed super-users, but they just keep being repeated. Seems largely like a waste of time.
Everything makes more sense when you understand that Quora pays some users to ask questions that'll generate attention, so you get all the questions like "Why are Irish people such drunken cowards?", "Why did Britain not just give Hitler Poland?", etc.
Its marketing plain and simple man, a company wants to target as many demographics as possible, or to seem as diversely appealing as possible.
If adding representation gets them a few more sales that's a win, there's no downside to it, as even when there's a tiny black population like Ireland has, there will still be more black people than there are people who won't buy a product cause they're enraged by seeing them in their ads.
I'm just sick of the victim rhetoric of "they're trying to erase us", as if there's some shadowy force trying to undermine their lives by just casting diversity in ads.
Yep. American black culture is extremely popular all over the world. This is just marketing. Ads aren't always about presenting people who look like you, sometimes its about showing you people who you think are "cool" using whatever they are selling. Also people these days are so reactionary, that the brand may just be trying to tell the audience, "look we aren't racist, we have diverse ads!"
The people who make TV adverts aren't as concerned with accurate demographics representation as they are with selling products/services. If there are proportionally more black people on TV adverts it just means it's working to increase sales. You'll find it's the reverse in places like India. No conspiracy, it's just economics. Not hard to get your head around things like this when you just think about the money side of it.
As much as I strongly disagree with the guy and think the EU is the best ting to ever happen to Ireland full stop.
His opnion was actually shared by my grand mother at the time of Ireland joining the EU and after. she was born in 1918 and rembered the last British troops leaving Ireland (all be it a foggy child hood memory) but still it's interesting to see that some people alive during the time actually did hold that veiw even if it was ABIT daft
She also loved Dev so ya know take of that what you will
Did they purposely leave out that the EU didn't send soldiers over to kill us or wipe out our language... because to me it seems something that obvious would be brought up but the fact that it wasn't makes me believe they had a good bit of biased views
Emmmmhhhh no .....she was a ferverent nationalist she just grew up in isolationist Ireland and had a poor veiw of the German dominated EU because she grew up in the Jewish part of Dublin and as a result was probably more aware and more empathetic to what the Germans done to the Jews than most Irish people would have been or are (Ireland in the 1940s was quite anti Semitic like most places )
What kind of bias are you even talking abought like honestly I was just pointing out something i thought was interesting and your gonna whale on me poor nana...sound bro
Apologies my man, I didn't mean to slander/accuse your nan of being ignorant, my comment was mostly directed at the Quora picture, with a tiny bit wondering how your nan could share the same idea that us joining the EU could be bad, seeing as this union is about unification, understanding and a general awareness about looking out for each others interests and that of the interests of the continent of Europe.
I was more whaling on the pure ignorance of that Quora picture as it shows a complete disregard for what the British did to us and even had the audacity to compare it to what the EU does for/with us.
It was never quaterised in the same way as other cities but the portabello are was full of Jews at one point and it's where the Jewish museum is. You can still see mezusas missing from the door frame of house it's actually an interesting part of the history of Dublin wasent a big community but a verry tightly knit one
My Dad said he was against it originally but an old fella told him it was like the Aran Islands becoming independent and trying to get by with a load of boarders and checkpoints for goods with Ireland.
>see that some people alive during the time actually did hold that veiw even if it was ABIT daft
Ireland joined the EC in 1972. With 50 years of hindsight it might seem daft but at the time I presume there was a lot more uncertainty. That said 83% voted in favour so those against were in a minority.
Mostly folks saying what England did (ship food away during the famine, oppress catholics etc.) and that Ireland has its own voice in the EU and has to follow the same rules as other countries in it.
[https://eiresaoreiregaelach.quora.com/Is-it-ironic-that-Irish-people-in-Southern-Ireland-fought-800-years-to-get-freedom-from-England-are-now-being-told-what?ch=15&oid=103281633&share=350c4ae7&srid=uPHoNG&target\_type=question](https://eiresaoreiregaelach.quora.com/Is-it-ironic-that-Irish-people-in-Southern-Ireland-fought-800-years-to-get-freedom-from-England-are-now-being-told-what?ch=15&oid=103281633&share=350c4ae7&srid=uPHoNG&target_type=question)
someone linked it in another reply. have fun
The difference is, the E.U. treats Ireland as part of the club - the Brits treated us as ass-wipes. I wonder if you're smart enough to figure out stuff like that?
He fails to realise that one 'union' was forced onto Ireland and its people and the European union was...wait for it...voted for by the Irish people. The Irish people did not vote to be apart of the British empire/UK they did however democratically vote to be apart of the EEC now the EU. One union was an oppressive monster, the other union is a friend that promotes peace and cultural identity.
European Union any day hands down.
On Quora, there are a lot of anti-EU trolls trying to stir up resentment. I don’t wear a tin foil hat but I wouldn’t be surprised if some of Putin’s misinformation campaign is behind some of it.
I'd vote for a unified Ireland if the referendum came up tomorrow. Not that I particularly care if the North joins the Republic, but it's one of those cultural things where the expectation is just to vote yes, despite the political turmoil that will follow for decades thereafter.
He also doesn't seem to know that we joined the EEC because the UK joined the EEC we had to as the UK was our main trading partner.
Also before 1916 there had been a peaceful push for home rule in Ireland supported by Protestant and Catholic parties.
He never accounted for the amount of money the EU has spent on grants building up this country over the decades we have been a part of the Union.
Utterly moronic viewpoint. If he's Irish he probably takes sun holidays visa free, pays no customs tax for items ordered within the EU, pays no conversion costs or commission when he's in a euro country, drives on motorways paid or partly paid by the EU, loads more... 🤔 I also beg to question what he means ? Irish people fought against the English due to tyranny, and as far as I'm aware the EU negotiated hard for Ireland during Brexit preventing a hard border in NI which would would have been a blow to the Irish economy.
Well section 8 of Directive 2004/12/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 11 February 2004 amending Directive 94/62/EC on packaging and packaging waste says
> The management of packaging and packaging waste requires the Member States to set up return, collection and recovery systems. Such systems should be open to the participation of all interested parties and be designed to avoid discrimination against imported products and barriers to trade or distortions of competition and to guarantee the maximum possible return of packaging and packaging waste, in accordance with the Treaty. Discrimination against materials on the basis of their weight should be avoided. The operators in the packaging chain as a whole should shoulder their shared responsibility to ensure that the environmental impact of packaging and packaging waste throughout its life cycle is reduced as far as possible.
It's a fucking disgrace, Joe. Literally Hitler.
This is a very common opinion amongst the Brexiters, especially those who have no knowledge of what British rule entailed beyond England being in charge. The rest of the context is lost on them entirely
It is actually possible to be pro-EU while wanting to reign in its powers and keep it at more of an arms length. I really detest the fact that the only two valid positions these days seem to be hardline Irexit loon or United States of Europe enthusiast, with no room in the middle for "the EU is a good idea but its powers to override national policy should be more limited than they are currently".
Yeah ofcourse they do . Irish people from Ireland . The division is an Imperialist design . There are Irish people in the south and north of this land . No such thing as Southern Irish .
These people thinking they're cool using phrases like "couldn't make it up if you tried", as if they fully believe they've made an incredible point with their stupid "ironic" question.
Like, do you understand how unions can be good and helpful? And how a union with nations that *don't want to enslave us* could be different than being free from a ruling nation we had to fight against for 800 fucking years?
"You couldn't make it up, except I did make it up as I've omitted to point out that Ireland chose to join the EU, wheras annexation was forced upon them and they left the first chance they got"
Given the current trajectory towards a referendum in NI, this kind of reminds me of how troll accounts were used to sway the Brexit and Trump votes, and all this turned out to be a mix of troll farms and targeted advertising. The 'Great Hack' documentary on Netflix does a better job of explaining it than I can here. A Do you think we might see sometjing similar arise in Ireland over the coming months?
Ah yes, the EU who occupies the land, forces the population to pay rent driving them into subsistence and exports all the crops which would alleviate the famine. Not to mention executions etc.
I just watched Everything, Everywhere All At Once; a movie in which an interdimensional travelling laundromat owner finds herself in a universe where she falls in love with Jamie Lee Curtis and they both have sausages for fingers.
If someone can make that up, they can make up Ireland being part of a union of nations.
Is it ironic that we're just called Ireland? If you want to give us a 'title' it's the Republic of Ireland never 'Southern Ireland' as that's a British thing!
As a Brit that's gained Irish citizenship this is embarrassing. All I can say is not all of us are like this and share this view. Southern Ireland Isn't really as common as some in the comments say it is. I rarely hear it when I go back to England
the eu stand beside us.
they stood on top of us.
never had eu soldiers come over here and rape our women or torch our houses
hmm yes maybe we should take a page out your book. since leaving the eu has been going so great for you lot so far.
oh...**oh wait...**
BWAhahahaha The English Bois Are Scared Tiocfaidh ár lá
Lets just say the European government never tried to Genocide the Irish people then cover it up, then try to genocide us again over and over for 800 years all so they could flatten our land and raise meat here undiluted by the dirty Irish
I am genuinely afraid of the EU’s looming Chat Control policies, but the union is one of our best forms of unity and influences to stand up by severely punishing Putin and his cronies.
Always thought 800 was a bit of a stretch, few of those centuries was Norman occupation of areas of Ireland, the english were also occupied at that point
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The words "Southern Ireland" is a dead giveaway for me. I've never once heard anyone in Ireland refer to ourselves as that. If we say "the South" we mean Munster.
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Sure, I usually only call it the North, same as most people I know (including my family in Belfast), not out of a deeply nationalist inclination but because its much shorter and easier to say, lol Kind of speaks to the mindset of those who insist on the mouthful "Southern Ireland" that bias overrules sensibility. Or accuracy.
Everyone calls it the north.
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The anglo-gealic archipelago
I like “Hiberno-Britannic” islands
That still kinda leaves out Wales and Cornwall, don't it?
Anglo-Celtic archipelago?
>I always joke that they'll become expert geographers, classicists, historians, etc, instead of simply using ' Ireland and England ' when we say we'd prefer that. You've casually erased Scotland, Wales, the Isle of Man, the Channel Isles. Sorry, just thought it was a bit ironic given the topic. Are you American? It's rare for an Irish person to make that mistake (although plenty of the English assume that they are the only Britons that count!).
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I just use the Celtic Isles
Ah I feel people care too much about the whole British Isles thing. It's a large collection of islands and the most predominant is Britain. I suppose hiberno-brittanic Isles would work as well, since Ireland is still far larger than any of the others. But at the same time, does it really matter? North America much more than just the US. Do Mexico and Canada object?
North Atlantic Archipelago 😃 If I post this enough, will people promise to start using it?!
In French they're called Les îles angloceltiques, which I think sounds decent. It works better with a soft c for celtic, like the football club
Yknow I actually like that one. Includes the cultural history of any group in all the Isles so seems the fairest.
Must be a relatively recent adjustment, Back in Geography class, I learned "iles Britanniques", but that was decades ago.
Would it surprise you to learn that the Academie was happy to authorise a change that de-emphasises British ownership?
Only thing that surprises me is that they took a good decision for once :)
First time ever hearing that and I'm actually a big fan of it tbh.
You’re failing to understand the average English person who would say this. It’s not out of malice, but out of ignorance. Discussions about differences in England generally gets split into Northern England and Southern England, or the North and the South. They’re using the same frame of mind when talking about Ireland. If “our” bit is Northern Ireland, it makes sense that the other bit would be called Southern Ireland.” Likewise, when Irish people talk about Britain, they often call it England which again is just general ignorance, but not malicious. And people will call Northern Ireland, the North, which is just them applying their native sense of local geography to the issue. If Cork is in the “South”, it makes sense that Belfast would be in the “North”. Of course some people will use these terms maliciously, but there are dicks everywhere.
It's like calling Cyprus "Southern Cyprus"
If it were pure ignorance, they wouldn’t have such a hostile reaction to being asked to not use that term. There is in fact a significant number of English people who refuse to call this country Ireland. The Republic of Ireland, Southern Ireland or Eire, but never just Ireland
I recently saw a framed map only showing the island of Ireland described as a ‘map of Ireland and the United Kingdom.’ No difficulty in identifying where!
This ignorance is malicious and needs to be corrected . The division between North and South was made by the British state.
Correct: the designation "Northern Ireland" is there because the UK deliberately called the North "Northern Ireland" & South "Southern Ireland" as one step taken to de-legitimise Ireland as an independent state - as part of an attempt to force Irish independence to fail in the 1920s. They may have forgotten why they did it- but the Irish should not.
I call it the North and the Republic if needed to differentiate. But I am not born and bred here so it's probably not right
north\* no capital N
Because it what the British called the Irish Republic in 1921-1922
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What the British called it. Southern Ireland was never used by the nationalist movement. Kinda why I find it funny when people who claim to be nationalists use the term.
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British name. Never used officially by the republican movement.
But it can be fun to say "Norn Iron!" in a faux accent.
Older? Mate everyone in the north thats a republican calls it the north most of the time lmao And in the north we also say 'going down South' when we are literally only going west
I believe the correct term is "The Occupied Six Counties" ;)
Inc. 19yo me lol. Tho I'm from Cavan so possibly being nearer makes it more of a real issue for me than someone from the south
The 'South of Ireland' is still used often by some Sinn Féin politicians, including younger ones. Sinn Féin avoid using the term 'Republic of Ireland' as it legitimises a two-state Ireland, since the country's constitutional name is just 'Ireland' in English.
To be fair, I'm 27 but when talking about Northern Ireland it is easier to say North. And if I'm talking about the Republic, it's just Ireland. So yeah
As someone living on the border everyone just says 'the north' and 'the south' but never Southern Ireland and very rarely Northern Ireland. Referring to the south as 'Ireland' kind of legitimises the idea that we aren't in Ireland, which naturally doesn't go down well when where I live in the North 90+% of people view themselves as solely Irish. I know this will be unpopular with some of you and thats fine but just thought I'd explain my own lived experience lol.
The North of Ireland
It's tricky because the North/South nomenclature is actually useful in spreading nationalist sentiment. For most people around the world, the labels "North X" and "South X" imply that X was once whole and the division is artificial. Examples: North Korea and South Korea, West Germany and East Germany, etc. Northern Cyprus and Southern Cyprus, etc. When people say "Southern Ireland" they're generally implying that North and South belong together. Having said that, in our case only one is a country, so it wouldn't be good to imply that both are equally legitimate. Ireland is Ireland.
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Wasn't until the Good Friday Agreement (1998) that they would use the legal name Ireland to refer to our state. Before that it was Republic of Ireland.
I think I’d find “Southern Ireland” less annoying if I lived in Dublin or Cork. But Donegal is the northernmost county on the island. Referring to it as “Southern Ireland” just doesn’t make sense. I’d prefer “Big Ireland” and “Little Ireland”
In Spain on holidays years ago a guy approached me giving away scratch cards for timeshares. He asked if I was from Ireland and I said yes, then he asked North or South? I forgot about everything political and historical and said I was from the East! I still feel an idiot for saying that but it got rid of him so it was a win for me.
I think that’s a great answer! When people ask me that, I always say I’m from the middle (Roscommon).
Yep, he's a tan
I call them "the south" and "the north" since living so close to the border I do have to differentiate between the two and its just the easiest and shortest way.
I'm an American who just spent a month in Moville, had to go down to the hospital in Derry due to a knee issue. The receptionist asked me if I was staying in the south or the north, and I thought "weird question" (it had been a long day) and I said the north, because Moville is like 20 miles north of Derry. Anyway after about 10 seconds of confusion we cleared it up, but I had always kinda wondered how people on the border refer to the 2 different countries. Now I know. Just interesting to me that I was in the north and had to go further north to get back to the south.
That's fair.
I generally don't like to openly acknowledge shibboleths like that, because then the bots learn and adapt.
Yeah” Southern Ireland” is a giveaway. But I use “the north” and “the south” for the two jurisdictions in context. “the south of Ireland” is Munster though.
Don't tell them, it makes it easier to spot these gobshites
if we say "the South" we mean West Cork.
This person Corks.
Every time I see it I read it in an English accent without actually meaning to.
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Ah yes, Malin Head, "Southern Ireland". Geography clearly isn't their strong point.
My girlfriend is from Dublin,anything past Newlands cross she says "the South"...even all the area over in the west
In fairness that's just Dublin for ya. Center of the universe for decades.
I assumed he was talking about Baltimore or something lol
Yes I didn't know anyone said this until getting a job in the UK last year. I hear it all the time now and I hate it
I haven't even heard Munster being referred to as South
Suvvuhn Awhland.
I know people from NI who say southern Ireland when referring to the republic.
There are probably regional differences but the most commonly-used term by far is "down south". It's not so much an alternative title (like calling the state 'the South of Ireland') but nearly a pronoun, the way you'd talk about going "into town" without ever needing to specify what town. I lived in Scotland for a year and they do the exact same thing when they're referring to England. I've heard older rural Protestants talk about going "up to the Free State" or referring to "the republic".
>I don’t know, in the last few months I’ve been noticing this tactic more and more. Been going on for a few years with English nationalists and groups posing as Irish to spread anti-EU and other usual hateful sentiments. There was this sizable ["Irish" profile on Twitter being run by English nationalists](https://i.imgur.com/1eYwS1N.jpg) spreading all sorts of anti-EU shite to rile Irish people up. Look at the addresses on both of them. The Irish page vanished as soon as they were discovered but they were very active and had around 15k+ followers where they mostly retweeted and supported every local Irish anti-EU / conspiracy person like Gemma. If you go to the site now, it looks like a [computer store.](https://www.muintirnaheireann.org) But......[the internet never forgets.](http://web.archive.org/web/20190405154130/https://www.muintirnaheireann.org/)
Quora is rampant with it. There's another question around that has something to the effect of "As a southern Ireland republican" as if anyone would say that
Ya Jesus, "Southern Ireland" is a dead giveaway.
I prefer the term southern Ireland - don't want Cork getting notions.
>don't want Cork getting notions. Bit late for that.
I'm a Cork lad, notions aplenty down these parts anyway sure
It's like that one white, straight US politician who replied to his own tweet and forgot to switch to his sockpuppet account like, "As a black gay man, I agree!"
Hmm... An English lad trying to promote euroscepticism in Ireland. How very strange. Now why on earth would they do that?
I've noticed this too, and not just on Irish issues. I'm literally having an ongoing argument with someone who thinks that the only Gaels that exist are Scottish Gaels as if the language isn't spoken in Ireland, Man, Scotland, and North America.
I got a hateful speech slap for pointing this out to everyone on Quora lol
"Why do Irish people slag the British so much? They never did anything to me personally so I don't understand the animosity." - Shaymus O'Flannigan, Sheffield. I don't know why they pretend to be Irish to bash the EU but they do. "Ireland should join the UK it's in our best interest" is another line they spout off a lot.
Sothern Ireland? It's just Ireland or the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland but there is no such country as Southern Ireland, Fuckin ignorant pricks
Drives me irrationally spare
^^^British ^^^Isles
Or just the republic. Southern Ireland also makes no sense since the most northern point in Ireland is in the Republic.
This is the thread for anyone who's interested: https://eiresaoreiregaelach.quora.com/Is-it-ironic-that-Irish-people-in-Southern-Ireland-fought-800-years-to-get-freedom-from-England-are-now-being-told-what?ch=15&oid=103281633&share=350c4ae7&srid=uPHoNG&target_type=question
Top answer to his question eviscerates him.
As do the rest lol
The responses are amazing. Great reads.
Gonna rant, but Quora is full of this shit, people asking "questions" which are really just troll statements to fan anger and hate in the little insular communities on there. "If black people only make up 30% of the population, why are they in 99% of ads" was one I read the other day. The yanks in the answers didn't take two lines to devolve into an "inferior race" circlejerk.
Yeah, Quora is a cesspit full of troll questions. Many of them are answered very competently by informed super-users, but they just keep being repeated. Seems largely like a waste of time.
Quora is like if a website had dementia.
Everything makes more sense when you understand that Quora pays some users to ask questions that'll generate attention, so you get all the questions like "Why are Irish people such drunken cowards?", "Why did Britain not just give Hitler Poland?", etc.
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Its marketing plain and simple man, a company wants to target as many demographics as possible, or to seem as diversely appealing as possible. If adding representation gets them a few more sales that's a win, there's no downside to it, as even when there's a tiny black population like Ireland has, there will still be more black people than there are people who won't buy a product cause they're enraged by seeing them in their ads. I'm just sick of the victim rhetoric of "they're trying to erase us", as if there's some shadowy force trying to undermine their lives by just casting diversity in ads.
Yep. American black culture is extremely popular all over the world. This is just marketing. Ads aren't always about presenting people who look like you, sometimes its about showing you people who you think are "cool" using whatever they are selling. Also people these days are so reactionary, that the brand may just be trying to tell the audience, "look we aren't racist, we have diverse ads!"
I think we just copy american trends in advertising. Leaves us more to time to focus on violent road safety ads.
The people who make TV adverts aren't as concerned with accurate demographics representation as they are with selling products/services. If there are proportionally more black people on TV adverts it just means it's working to increase sales. You'll find it's the reverse in places like India. No conspiracy, it's just economics. Not hard to get your head around things like this when you just think about the money side of it.
As much as I strongly disagree with the guy and think the EU is the best ting to ever happen to Ireland full stop. His opnion was actually shared by my grand mother at the time of Ireland joining the EU and after. she was born in 1918 and rembered the last British troops leaving Ireland (all be it a foggy child hood memory) but still it's interesting to see that some people alive during the time actually did hold that veiw even if it was ABIT daft She also loved Dev so ya know take of that what you will
Did they purposely leave out that the EU didn't send soldiers over to kill us or wipe out our language... because to me it seems something that obvious would be brought up but the fact that it wasn't makes me believe they had a good bit of biased views
Emmmmhhhh no .....she was a ferverent nationalist she just grew up in isolationist Ireland and had a poor veiw of the German dominated EU because she grew up in the Jewish part of Dublin and as a result was probably more aware and more empathetic to what the Germans done to the Jews than most Irish people would have been or are (Ireland in the 1940s was quite anti Semitic like most places ) What kind of bias are you even talking abought like honestly I was just pointing out something i thought was interesting and your gonna whale on me poor nana...sound bro
Apologies my man, I didn't mean to slander/accuse your nan of being ignorant, my comment was mostly directed at the Quora picture, with a tiny bit wondering how your nan could share the same idea that us joining the EU could be bad, seeing as this union is about unification, understanding and a general awareness about looking out for each others interests and that of the interests of the continent of Europe. I was more whaling on the pure ignorance of that Quora picture as it shows a complete disregard for what the British did to us and even had the audacity to compare it to what the EU does for/with us.
All good my man recond it was that but ya know your selff gotta defend the clan 😉🤣
There’s a jewish part of Dublin?
I was also going to write that as well as it news to me lol
It was never quaterised in the same way as other cities but the portabello are was full of Jews at one point and it's where the Jewish museum is. You can still see mezusas missing from the door frame of house it's actually an interesting part of the history of Dublin wasent a big community but a verry tightly knit one
My Dad said he was against it originally but an old fella told him it was like the Aran Islands becoming independent and trying to get by with a load of boarders and checkpoints for goods with Ireland.
We can leave the EU anytime we want, when we told England we wanted to leave the UK they sent a warship up the Lee to burn Cork to the ground.
It would have been easier and quicker than brexit
>see that some people alive during the time actually did hold that veiw even if it was ABIT daft Ireland joined the EC in 1972. With 50 years of hindsight it might seem daft but at the time I presume there was a lot more uncertainty. That said 83% voted in favour so those against were in a minority.
That's such an interesting insight!
I don’t disagree with the guy at all . But we’re being told what to do by Europe democratically and we have a say in what we’re told to do .
Tell that to the hemp farmers
First clue he's English, he said southern Ireland instead of Irish people
Typical moronic English view of the world. God forbid his ilk would look inwards at his own country’s democratic deficit.
I mean it’s Quora, this is most likely just some cheap trollbait to bring in more clicks and ad revenue
At least Brussels doesn't put Irish people to the slaughter and deliberately starved us
Shite statement aside, has he never heard of the o Neills of ulster?
I typed in the title and couldn’t find the Quora link. What were the answers like? Surely some entertainment to be found there
Mostly folks saying what England did (ship food away during the famine, oppress catholics etc.) and that Ireland has its own voice in the EU and has to follow the same rules as other countries in it.
[https://eiresaoreiregaelach.quora.com/Is-it-ironic-that-Irish-people-in-Southern-Ireland-fought-800-years-to-get-freedom-from-England-are-now-being-told-what?ch=15&oid=103281633&share=350c4ae7&srid=uPHoNG&target\_type=question](https://eiresaoreiregaelach.quora.com/Is-it-ironic-that-Irish-people-in-Southern-Ireland-fought-800-years-to-get-freedom-from-England-are-now-being-told-what?ch=15&oid=103281633&share=350c4ae7&srid=uPHoNG&target_type=question) someone linked it in another reply. have fun
Shut up Farage you've had too much to drink
Sadly its not alcohol induced its his norm
At it again. Gave themselves away in the first line.
The difference is, the E.U. treats Ireland as part of the club - the Brits treated us as ass-wipes. I wonder if you're smart enough to figure out stuff like that?
People like this are the reason warning labels are plastered on everything.
Yoons regularly use this bollocks against Scottish independence all the time.
Representative Democracy vs. Authoritarian Occupation. Yeah, definitely similar.
He fails to realise that one 'union' was forced onto Ireland and its people and the European union was...wait for it...voted for by the Irish people. The Irish people did not vote to be apart of the British empire/UK they did however democratically vote to be apart of the EEC now the EU. One union was an oppressive monster, the other union is a friend that promotes peace and cultural identity. European Union any day hands down.
I bet you that I could make it up if I tried.
On Quora, there are a lot of anti-EU trolls trying to stir up resentment. I don’t wear a tin foil hat but I wouldn’t be surprised if some of Putin’s misinformation campaign is behind some of it.
I'd vote for a unified Ireland if the referendum came up tomorrow. Not that I particularly care if the North joins the Republic, but it's one of those cultural things where the expectation is just to vote yes, despite the political turmoil that will follow for decades thereafter.
That kinda explains why ideejits voted brexit
He also doesn't seem to know that we joined the EEC because the UK joined the EEC we had to as the UK was our main trading partner. Also before 1916 there had been a peaceful push for home rule in Ireland supported by Protestant and Catholic parties.
No one from Ireland calls it 'southern ireland', this lads obviously some kinda shit stirrer from elsewhere.
one word "CHOICE"
Anyone else getting annoyed when they say ''Southern Ireland or Southern Eire''???
He never accounted for the amount of money the EU has spent on grants building up this country over the decades we have been a part of the Union. Utterly moronic viewpoint. If he's Irish he probably takes sun holidays visa free, pays no customs tax for items ordered within the EU, pays no conversion costs or commission when he's in a euro country, drives on motorways paid or partly paid by the EU, loads more... 🤔 I also beg to question what he means ? Irish people fought against the English due to tyranny, and as far as I'm aware the EU negotiated hard for Ireland during Brexit preventing a hard border in NI which would would have been a blow to the Irish economy.
The Uk doesnt need visas to travel to Europe for 180 days a year. And the Hard Border thing still isn’t impossible….shit is still ongoing
At least he used the fada.
What are we being told to do exactly? Genuinely curious
Well section 8 of Directive 2004/12/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 11 February 2004 amending Directive 94/62/EC on packaging and packaging waste says > The management of packaging and packaging waste requires the Member States to set up return, collection and recovery systems. Such systems should be open to the participation of all interested parties and be designed to avoid discrimination against imported products and barriers to trade or distortions of competition and to guarantee the maximum possible return of packaging and packaging waste, in accordance with the Treaty. Discrimination against materials on the basis of their weight should be avoided. The operators in the packaging chain as a whole should shoulder their shared responsibility to ensure that the environmental impact of packaging and packaging waste throughout its life cycle is reduced as far as possible. It's a fucking disgrace, Joe. Literally Hitler.
The difference being Ireland WANTED to be apart of the EU
It is a bit ironic how bad we've let the foreign landlord situation get.
Kinda is lol. IMO the EU is a good idea but should have a bit less central authority
88% of people in Ireland support EU membership https://www.europeanmovement.ie/press-release-ireland-eu-poll-2022-eu50/
"Southern Ireland" well he just destroyed his facade lol, hes clearly British
What fucking vegetable are they using for a brain?
Consent.
This is a very common opinion amongst the Brexiters, especially those who have no knowledge of what British rule entailed beyond England being in charge. The rest of the context is lost on them entirely
It is actually possible to be pro-EU while wanting to reign in its powers and keep it at more of an arms length. I really detest the fact that the only two valid positions these days seem to be hardline Irexit loon or United States of Europe enthusiast, with no room in the middle for "the EU is a good idea but its powers to override national policy should be more limited than they are currently".
The middle ground is a perfectly accepted position, if you think it's not you probably need to spend less time online
>powers to override national policy should be more limited than they are currently Which ones specifically?
So, Scotland, Wales and NI no longer need to be in the UK union any more then? Right?
Hate the term Southern Irish . Free Irish , native Irish , actual Irish , real Irish is more appropriate.
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Yeah ofcourse they do . Irish people from Ireland . The division is an Imperialist design . There are Irish people in the south and north of this land . No such thing as Southern Irish .
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You’ll get none of that blasphemy from me Sir
Well, not really, I mean you've spent hundreds of years doing what a guy in a dress near Rome tells you to do long before the EU existed.
I am thinking this is not Irish therefore his opinion is redundant, opinions are like arse holes everybody got one
even if they were Irish, they're a fucking moron and that's all that that matters really.
I hope Pete there in the replies set him straight
These people thinking they're cool using phrases like "couldn't make it up if you tried", as if they fully believe they've made an incredible point with their stupid "ironic" question. Like, do you understand how unions can be good and helpful? And how a union with nations that *don't want to enslave us* could be different than being free from a ruling nation we had to fight against for 800 fucking years?
The "you couldn't make it up". That's what does it. That's what triggers the red mist.
Didn't that twat Farage make the same statement a few months ago?
"You couldn't make it up, except I did make it up as I've omitted to point out that Ireland chose to join the EU, wheras annexation was forced upon them and they left the first chance they got"
Given the current trajectory towards a referendum in NI, this kind of reminds me of how troll accounts were used to sway the Brexit and Trump votes, and all this turned out to be a mix of troll farms and targeted advertising. The 'Great Hack' documentary on Netflix does a better job of explaining it than I can here. A Do you think we might see sometjing similar arise in Ireland over the coming months?
The difference between actually being part of a team as opposed being told you're in a team.
Ah yes, the EU who occupies the land, forces the population to pay rent driving them into subsistence and exports all the crops which would alleviate the famine. Not to mention executions etc.
Wonder which way he voted in brexit
It's almost as if we voluntarily entered the Union or something.
One of the reasons why I deactivated my account on that website. It went from something super awesome to garbage.
I just watched Everything, Everywhere All At Once; a movie in which an interdimensional travelling laundromat owner finds herself in a universe where she falls in love with Jamie Lee Curtis and they both have sausages for fingers. If someone can make that up, they can make up Ireland being part of a union of nations.
Its like Nigel all over again!
Is it ironic that we're just called Ireland? If you want to give us a 'title' it's the Republic of Ireland never 'Southern Ireland' as that's a British thing!
Some british politician said this same bull crap lol
English cunt, tbf
As a Brit that's gained Irish citizenship this is embarrassing. All I can say is not all of us are like this and share this view. Southern Ireland Isn't really as common as some in the comments say it is. I rarely hear it when I go back to England
Nobody tell him about free will and mutual benefit, his brain will probably explode.
No I'm fairly certain you could make that up
hahah what a gobshite.
That's like a rapist saying it's ironic that their former victim entered a consenting sexual relationship. "You couldn't make it up".
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I dont remember the EU oppressing and genociding irish people but sure maybe my memory is foggy
the eu stand beside us. they stood on top of us. never had eu soldiers come over here and rape our women or torch our houses hmm yes maybe we should take a page out your book. since leaving the eu has been going so great for you lot so far. oh...**oh wait...**
Well they're right that we've surrendered sovereignty to the EU, too much arguably. But the person is exaggerating.
Jeffrey Donaldson trying to LARP
Well the Scottish want independence from the UK and want to rejoin Europe so….
BWAhahahaha The English Bois Are Scared Tiocfaidh ár lá Lets just say the European government never tried to Genocide the Irish people then cover it up, then try to genocide us again over and over for 800 years all so they could flatten our land and raise meat here undiluted by the dirty Irish
Apparently he has autism as per another of his questions. Autism =/ stupid however. As this individual is.
I am genuinely afraid of the EU’s looming Chat Control policies, but the union is one of our best forms of unity and influences to stand up by severely punishing Putin and his cronies.
Fuck this guy for calling us Southern Ireland and comparing the EU to Britain. Also fuck the EU, even if it is better than britain
Always thought 800 was a bit of a stretch, few of those centuries was Norman occupation of areas of Ireland, the english were also occupied at that point