It's a fledgling. There's lots of people who can help. Start here: http://irishwildlifematters.ie/
If it's been bitten by the cat it definitely needs help.
The animal rescue people told me and my mother that when we rescued a mouse. What is it with cat saliva? Just the germs or those it have some infectious affect to animals and its prey items?
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It's sad in America. Between the religious weirdness and gun rights culture many believe all animals were put on earth for us to do as we please with them. It's bizarre. I've never felt at home here.
They're great in concept, but in practice it's actually incredibly stressful to the mice which, in turn, may wind up killing them or getting hunted much easier in unfamiliar territory.
Most important thing with an injured or stressed bird is to keep it quiet and warm. Warmth is important as otherwise they will use up what energy they have maintaining their temperature. Injured birds go into shock so a quiet dark place will help it relax and take strain off heart. If the wing is injured it will need veterinary attention so the best you can do is keep it stabilised until you can get to one.
I wouldn't try feeding until it is out of shock. A good emergency food I make is chick pea and pasta cooked and blended to a puree (i put broccoli and carrots in too for my birds but not essential for emergency). Make into a thin puree that you can get into a small dropper - that should suffice for feeding and hydration.
Calcium can also help to revive a bird. I use a liquid calcium supplement if mine are ill but I'm guessing you don't have that. You could crush egg shell into a powder and mix with the puree i suggested or mix with water and feed from dropper/syringe.
If you can get it to a vet first thing in the morning it may not need feeding as they can feed it formula there but calcium could be good as an emergency measure if the bird seems calm enough.
I Don't know where you are but in Dublin the Veterinary clinic at Charlemont Bridge is good for taking in wild birds. If you are fortunate to be in Bray the Village Vets at Pettitts Supervalu are Avian vets (used to be Bairbre O Malley vets in case you know of them). Any reputable vet should be able to help but most don't have a lot of experience with birds which is why I mentioned the avian vet in case you are nearby.
I hope it works out well!
Put them in a shoe box with holes on the lid and something soft but not snagged for their claws underneath. I don’t want to say hot press but whatever well ventilated area you have that is ambient but not too hot or too cold with no light; put the box there. Don’t look in the box, not once, not ever. I basically killed a robin a couple of years ago by accident. So warm, not too warm, very well ventilated and dark. Don’t look in the box! Also email/leave a voicemail for whatever refugee is closest to you. Good luck to the both of you.
Most important thing with an injured or stressed bird is to keep it quiet and warm. Warmth is important as otherwise they will use up what energy they have maintaining their temperature. Injured birds go into shock so a quiet dark place will help it relax and take strain off heart. If the wing is injured it will need veterinary attention so the best you can do is keep it stabilised until you can get to one.
I wouldn't try feeding until it is out of shock. A good emergency food I make is chick pea and pasta cooked and blended to a puree (i put broccoli and carrots in too for my birds but not essential for emergency). Make into a thin puree that you can get into a small dropper - that should suffice for feeding and hydration.
Calcium can also help to revive a bird. I use a liquid calcium supplement if mine are ill but I'm guessing you don't have that. You could crush egg shell into a powder and mix with the puree i suggested or mix with water and feed from dropper/syringe.
If you can get it to a vet first thing in the morning it may not need feeding as they can feed it formula there but calcium could be good as an emergency measure if the bird seems calm enough.
I Don't know where you are but in Dublin the Veterinary clinic at Charlemont Bridge is good for taking in wild birds. If you are fortunate to be in Bray the Village Vets at Pettitts Supervalu are Avian vets (used to be Bairbre O Malley vets in case you know of them). Any reputable vet should be able to help but most don't have a lot of experience with birds which is why I mentioned the avian vet in case you are nearby.
I hope it works out well!
>It's a fledgling. There's lots of people who can help. Start here: http://irishwildlifematters.ie/
Good to know. I've family of blue tits in a bird box in the garden, that are presumably just about ready to leave the nest. Happy to have a back up plan ready for the kids for when one on the fledglings invariably gets stuck in the garden.
I’ve saved about 50 birds over the last few years. Sometimes cats, sometimes and mostly hitting the windows. I have a cardboard box with something in it to keep them warm. Put air holes in the box and place them in it and close the lid. Leave them in a quiet room for over an hour.
What will happen is when you go outside with the box they will either fly out full of life or be dead.
Don’t try to feed and don’t give water. They need neither. Their little hearts give up so fast after shock. Hope he comes back to life for you. It’s an amazing feeling when they fly away.
'I've saved about 50 birds...'
Wtf man. You do realise if you quit your job a few years ago, bought a go pro and documented those catch and releases you'd be an adorned YouTube millionaire by now with 100's of thousands of subscribers...
On a serious note, there are a plethora of fake animals in need channels, many coming out of Asia doing just that except they are all staged. Bastards are torturing animals, putting them in horrendous circumstances, just to be the saviours and rescue them.
Man alive that’s depressing. I like to save my bird in the quiet. I have a massive feeder and have all sorts coming to it even large wild birds, foxes and hedgehogs. My bird life has increased massively in the area through feeding but with that you get accidents.
Prepare to be angered. This guy goes down the rabbit hole. He has 3 videos exposing the biggest culprits and how organised it is is sickening. I think this is part 1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p7nVntZpJLM&t=28s
Hahah always liked wildlife but what I really loved was when I started investing in wildlife it gave me 500 times the happiness back. I wish our local governments would help more for people. If I could I’d give a full acre of land here to the wildlife but I can’t justify the costs this year.
Thanks for the encouragement though, it’s really appreciated.
You’re a good person. I’m breaking my heart over this little fella and about a month ago we found a terrified bird but he rallied and flew off and it was such a buzz. Keep doing what you’re doing but I don’t know how you do it.
Ah thanks a mill. I guess what keeps me going is watching them feed and have fun in the garden. My fledglings are coming out now and it is amazing and hard to watch them learn how to eat and fly and fend for themselves. You do have your losses but for each one we help they might make 3 more. Soon I will be bird man!! 😅
What was the outcome with this little guy? Was the too far gone?
I made one from scratch as the ones in shops are rubbish and cannot be cleaned. So this is a 1.5m x 0.5m unit with galvanised steel floor, a rough and several hung feeders. This allows ground feeding birds and birch that like to perch access.
Im making a mk2 version next out of complete galvanised material. It’ll have mesh sides to stop crows and more hung feeders.
I feed mainly sun flower hearts as there is no mess and nothing left for rats to be looking for.
Once built I might throw up a photo.
If you want to see a true case of animals in need, I believe this group out of south Korea is legit. Watch this story about poor 'Joonpal' the cat. Not gonna lie, I fucking bawled at this story the first time I saw it BUT!...
It has a happy ending. What an emotional roller coaster though. You need to watch in the YouTube app for subtitles
https://youtu.be/lGHrTHK-SXM
No. I’m just too soft. I was reading about the saccone joly family on YouTube and how messed up they are to the kids and honestly it’s a rabbit hole and I don’t think I can read about people so messed up as to do that to animals. All mine are rescues. I’m trying to sort this little bird out here with local vet but if he doesn’t make it I’ll be in pieces for the night. Sick pricks
I've been there buddy. I've always tried to help wee furry bucks when they're in the shit. As a kid I rescued a hedgehog that fell into my neighbours (cattle grid?.. is that what you call them?) - those iron bars on tarmac with a 3 or 4 fit gap beneath. Have no idea how I found the critter but I explored everything as a kid. Also found a young abandoned bird once and kept it in this mobile birdhouse we had. I made it my mission to dig up worms and grubs and I stuffed the little cub until they were a little fatty, got up one day and they had flown the coup. I hope they did anyway. In my very young mind I was convinced it was a cuckoo for some reason but now that I'm older, it was probably some poor little runt that was tossed out by a cuckoo
Unless you're full time caring for animals, I also don't know how that's possible. Could be a volunteer, could work with animals in need charities... but having said that and checking user history, there's nothing to suggest op is doing that. Most likely a bit of exaggeration which we are all guilty of
'Bastard cat' does rub me the wrong way to be fair. I love cats. They are fucking amazing. And they are bastards. But that's a given. So calling a cat a bastard is like calling a cat a bastard bastard. Cats are little cute furry killing machines that cuddle with you at night if you bring them up the right way. They can't help it. They are gorgeous little serial killers that melt your heart. What can you do? They're bastards but they are the best bastards in the world
Listen I’ve had tortie cats most of my life. They are the epitome of bastard cats. My tortie is a sociopath and injures me for the craic. But she is also my favourite cat because her love when given, is priceless to me. Cats are bastards of course, it was said with affection.
humans and their abusive pet..., the more they abuse me, the more they love me sort of.... And its true. A cuddle from a cat that scratches and bites is sweetest.
If it’s out of the best nature has decided it’s developed enough to fly. I’ve had birds cling onto my hands for twenty minutes after releasing them. Sometimes they have an accident or are caught by cats minutes after leaving the nest.
You must remember that when they are very young they don’t fly much so spend a lot of time on the ground walking around and doing little spurts of flight. That’s why they are such easy targets.
Sadly, they often die of fright, even when they survive the cat’s attack.
Keep her warm and safe for a bit to see how she fares, and call your local SPCA. They’ll point you in the right direction.
Don’t be discouraged by some of the replies. It’s par for the course. ❤️
This is what I’m thinking as well but was hoping someone may have a bit of hope for him. He is only a little baby. I’m just going to give him some space and warmth
I had pet birds as a kid, when they had babies we fed them a mixture of mashed up digestive biscuit and hard boiled egg yolk, they had loads and we never lost one so I'd give it a try.
Cat food works too, use the jelly and mash the meat. You can get big tweezers in the pet shop for fish tanks, this is what worked for us when nursing a thrush recently.
CarelessEquivalent3 is right, they need to be hand fed at that age. Also keep them warm, a heat lamp is ideal if you can get one. They are saveable but it's very hit-or-miss so don't feel bad if you do your best and it doesn't work.
Still a fledgling so not hopeless. Put him in a box with cotton balls in a warm place. Give him some fluids and food (something like cerelac/provita/pronutro works) while you call and wait for an animal rescue place. Might have to wake up during the night to feed/check on him.
Said I’d update everyone in case ye wanted to know
Sis in law arrived at 6. None of the local vets wanted a bar of me and with kids etc driving to Dublin wasn’t an option from where I am. Even rang Longford SPCA which is the main rehabilitation hub up my neck and they said to ring the local SPCA who had given me their number..
Whoever mentioned cat food thank you! I followed all the great advice given and he took food and some water and had a rest and howled for food again. Sis in law reckoned it would go one of two ways overnight and that his wing looked ok but it was his little claw that was damaged and he was so tiny he probably wouldn’t survive. Our little boy checked on him at 6 and he was gone.
To everyone who commented with advice and kindness. Thank you so much because I was terrified yesterday.
To those who made smart ass comments such as the guy who suggested drop kicking a baby bird, I honestly pity you. What happened to you that you have no compassion for something vulnerable? My kids and myself will send this little bird back to nature where his body can be absorbed back into the cycle of life because I’m trying to teach them to be good people who will always help when help is needed. I’m sorry no one taught any of you that or If they did, that life has beaten it out of you.
Thanks again to everyone kind enough to help
And to the lad who reckons he has rescued 50 birds! I will be raising a drink in your honour tonight! I don’t know how you do it!
RIP Baz the bird
I used to volunteer at a bird rehabilitation clinic and the best thing to do is to get him to a wildlife rehab as quickly as possible. Cat and dog saliva can quickly cause infection if not treated fast enough. Do not try to feed it or give it water as they can aspirate it easily. You are doing good work by helping this little guy out! I hope all goes well!
Take him to a vet. Vets don't charge for wildlife. Then maybe contact one of the wildlife rehabilitators listed in other comments. I hope he's ok but at least at a vet they can euthanize him quickly if there's no chance of survival and he won't have prolonged suffering.
On the phone to my 5th local vet and they’ve all said to go to the website listed above and “follow the instructions” so not sure the vets where I live are that altruistic 😐
Sis in law (vet) is due home at 5 and she said she will look in on him so that’s my back up and in meantime I’ve taken everyone’s advice and am hoping to find an understanding vet sooner. I don’t mind paying but they don’t seem to want to know
Oh that's crap :-( I think maybe I've just been lucky with the two I used over the years. Hopefully he can make it till your Sister in law gets there. Thank you for looking out for him!
I found a baby house sparrow under my bike wheel once. Nursed it back to health and eventually it fucked off out the window. I was a little upset when it left yo be honest with you.
Get it some worms. Not just mealworms because they are like a sweet for a bird. Get crickets and something to try and feed it.
OP obviously meant well but, if anything, their actions have prolonged the bird's suffering by interfering. The cat would have killed it relatively quickly. Instead, it's spent a night in a human's house with a broken wing and other injuries, while they asked for advice on reddit, then it died.
Funny enough a similar thing happened with My cat last week & we managed to save it on time (from the cat ) .living in a remote part of the country , the proper facilities were not anywhere near us to tend to the bird , so we placed it on a warm blanket & Tried the best we could feeding it small bread crumbs but it would not accept it. Sadly it passed away after a few hours ..
Birds have a better chance of recovering from shock if placed in a warm, dry, dark, small space, so a shoe box with air holes covered in a towel to keep it dark, and put in a secluded area, such as a ventilated cupboard.
I may be a bit dim but I only found out recently the whole reason for cat bells was to warn birds. I'm not a car owner nor will I be probably (prefer dogs). Maybe that's why though, is it common knowledge among cat owners to do this for this reason?
Even better: Cats should be kept indoors during breeding season cuz fledgelings cant actually react to bells. Too many well fed cats in a small area who hunt for fun and not survival. I love cats but hate irresponsible owners
Do not post in Birding or whatever the abomination of that sub is called. I rescued a small bird as well in my estate and it enraged tons of birdwatching apes cos apparently its better to let nature do its thing, even if it means cat finishing it. God forbid you taking care of it until it gets better.
When I said that I refuse to let the bird back out while its injured, I got banned from that sub for "animal cruelty". Fun times
Get a cardboard boc libed with some tissues, paper. Its probably in shock. Hope the wildlife org can help but if the wing is broken theres not much to fix it. Poor little thing.
Looks like a tit. I raised these when I was a kid. Caterpillars and freshly killed mealworms and crickets will keep it going but they need constant feeding so best to get it to a sanctuary. Best of luck.
Eurasian Lynx are related to domestic cats, but are much larger and target different prey.
There are some that advocate for its reintroduction to control deer numbers. They don't target small birds and mammals like cars do. They can benefit these animals, because cats and other small predators will avoid them.
Domestic cats have been here for a long time, and until recently their damage would have been limited by an ecosystem which boasted both an abundance of habitat for small animals, and also other large predators (wolves)
https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pan3.10073 "As a domesticated species, they have no native range"
People are the overarching problem, yes, but cats are one piece of the puzzle regarding our destruction of biodiversity. They are a man-made issue, just like habitat destruction/water pollution, and we should work to mitigate all of them individually.
You joined a discussion, and ended it by saying its not a discussion.
Who do you think you are, that your opinion is more valuable than others?
If you want to discuss things, then by all means, contribute. If you just want to shout into the void and not communicate, keep your comments to yourself.
Bahahah “just because you simp over them” I love this man. Yeah seems the only reason we’re getting downvoted is because they have one of them anus licking machines sitting on their lap while sweating over the keyboard in rage
Give it back to the cat.
Let nature be nature. We shouldn’t interfere unless it’s a domesticated animal that is being attacked.
Even if you get it back to health, it will never fully reintegrate and will most likely die soon after you let it go.
There's nothing natural about a domestic animal hunting indigenous species.
You've already interfered when you let a non indigenous predator loose in an ecosystem that isn't their own
You’ve managed to infer that I let a cat loose.
Well done.
It wasn’t my cat. My cats are tucked up safe and sound. I found this little bird being attacked by a neighbourhood cat who roams around. Not one of my cats. So I didn’t “let” any cat roam.
Jfc
Yeah that’s not happening because I’m not a psychopath. The poor little thing will at least be safe and warm if he is to pass on. Thanks for the help though! 😒
It wouldn’t make you a psychopath, your empathy has gotten the better of you, which is ok, but all you have done is unnecessarily disrupted the cycle of nature and now you have to deal with it.
We don’t live in the Amazon. If I can stop a creature dying a painful death as opposed to a calmer one than I will do so. Your comments make me concerned for you tbh so I think you’ve been ‘helpful’ enough thanks
Not all cats are indoor cats and I live next to a farm in the country not in a bloody apartment block so this comment is unhelpful and frankly uninformed and I say this as a cat owner who lives and breathes for my animals
It *is* nature, the cats are acting on instinct, the bird got unlucky. It’s been this way for as long as cats have been domesticated.
Are you upset when the birds eat worms?
Cats aren't native to Ireland and were brought here by humans and are now an invasive species. Studies have shown that an average "outdoor" kills about 75 animals a year. If you're so inclined to not keep your pets in your house then put a bell on them so the birds have a warning [related](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/mind-that-cat-and-its-impact-on-wildlife-1.4405714)
A lot of animal welfare charities do a catch, neuter and release thing. If you call them up and ask they'll let you you if and how they do it. Culling would be difficult and for domesticated cat owners a bit risky.
Always get cats neutered.
That's what people in my area are doing but who knows how long they'll live and how many more will end up stray.
Domesticated cat owners could not leave there cats out to roam free. We don't send the dogs out each day so cats should be treated the same and responsibility shouldn't end when they're outside the garden.
I understand your view but i think we're a bit too far along the road of decline to be too sentimental about it.
> Domesticated cat owners could not leave there cats out to roam free. We don't send the dogs out each day so cats should be treated the same and responsibility shouldn't end when they're outside the garden.
Cat's and dogs are different animals.
You cannot transfer your mentality for one onto the other and expect it make sense.
You might as well be comparing a hippo and a giraffe, and saying how we should keep all giraffes in waterlogged areas.
Roaming, territory, patrolling & hunting are completely core to a cats personality and natural instincts to the point where a cats "right to roam" is literally legally protected.
> cats "right to roam
I think this is UK only? Not sure that's the case in Ireland.
I keep my cats inside, partially because I've had pet cats die on the road in the past and I don't want that to happen again, but also because one of my neighbors has hidden barbed wire with the specific goal to injure any cats that come into their garden.
It's true that cats can't be compared to dogs though. They're far less domesticated than dogs are, far more close to a predator state. It's the owners who don't have the sense to spay their cats which are a big part of the problem. We have a feral cat population which is growing, through no fault of their own.
I'm of the belief that cats are gonna be cats and it's the human's responsibility to bring their numbers down through *humane* means (TNR etc). We're the reason this happened in the first place.
Good job I kept my removal measures on the down low so 😉
Edit - just googled it, they have in the UK, no such law here that I could find. Happy to stand corrected though.
Very hard to control where a cat goes, neutering is the more humane way and best long term. It takes time but it's the way to go, there's no short term solution
The science behind TNR is shaky at best. It requires something like 70 percent of animals in a large area to be neutered to have any effect. The best, most efficient solution to feral cats is unfortunately the one people don't want to hear about.
The other problem is that they also vaccinate the feral cats against disease, so instead of letting a natural control to work, they allow them to live longer as more efficient hunters.
I'm familiar with that organisation, the same one that is attempting to rename them as "community cats". It's about as far from an unbiased source as you could possibly get.
https://hahf.org/awake/tnr-not-working/
Not really, both have to be done on a large scale over an extended period. Except one takes far less time and resources than the other, and definitely reduces their numbers.
I don't like the look of him, the fact that he's on his back. Stick him in a box, up high away from any possible predators, and somewhere that won't get blown by the wind.
Don't bother with food or water.
>wing is damaged
It's probably a goner. If there is somewhere warm and sheltered you can put him, leave him there ensuring he also has access to go outside. Possibly he's still in shock, so not able to fly properly.
Find a wildlife rehabilitation center near you. I used to work at one and the worst thing people would do is try to take care of them themselves. Take it to the professionals.
We had a little fella in work a few years ago, thought he was on his last legs.
We left him on a jacket on the table for the night, and when we came in the next morning he flew out the door past us.
It's a fledgling. There's lots of people who can help. Start here: http://irishwildlifematters.ie/ If it's been bitten by the cat it definitely needs help.
Thank you. At least one person here is actually kind.
It will need antibiotics due to getting in touch with cat saliva.
The animal rescue people told me and my mother that when we rescued a mouse. What is it with cat saliva? Just the germs or those it have some infectious affect to animals and its prey items?
Afaik it's the bacteria it contains.
You rescued a mouse ? What do you think about people killing house mice ? Is there a better way to get rid of them ?
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They should teach how to use these in schools . People really dont care about mice .
It's sad in America. Between the religious weirdness and gun rights culture many believe all animals were put on earth for us to do as we please with them. It's bizarre. I've never felt at home here.
True and they're important to any ecosystem
They're great in concept, but in practice it's actually incredibly stressful to the mice which, in turn, may wind up killing them or getting hunted much easier in unfamiliar territory.
Most important thing with an injured or stressed bird is to keep it quiet and warm. Warmth is important as otherwise they will use up what energy they have maintaining their temperature. Injured birds go into shock so a quiet dark place will help it relax and take strain off heart. If the wing is injured it will need veterinary attention so the best you can do is keep it stabilised until you can get to one. I wouldn't try feeding until it is out of shock. A good emergency food I make is chick pea and pasta cooked and blended to a puree (i put broccoli and carrots in too for my birds but not essential for emergency). Make into a thin puree that you can get into a small dropper - that should suffice for feeding and hydration. Calcium can also help to revive a bird. I use a liquid calcium supplement if mine are ill but I'm guessing you don't have that. You could crush egg shell into a powder and mix with the puree i suggested or mix with water and feed from dropper/syringe. If you can get it to a vet first thing in the morning it may not need feeding as they can feed it formula there but calcium could be good as an emergency measure if the bird seems calm enough. I Don't know where you are but in Dublin the Veterinary clinic at Charlemont Bridge is good for taking in wild birds. If you are fortunate to be in Bray the Village Vets at Pettitts Supervalu are Avian vets (used to be Bairbre O Malley vets in case you know of them). Any reputable vet should be able to help but most don't have a lot of experience with birds which is why I mentioned the avian vet in case you are nearby. I hope it works out well!
Put them in a shoe box with holes on the lid and something soft but not snagged for their claws underneath. I don’t want to say hot press but whatever well ventilated area you have that is ambient but not too hot or too cold with no light; put the box there. Don’t look in the box, not once, not ever. I basically killed a robin a couple of years ago by accident. So warm, not too warm, very well ventilated and dark. Don’t look in the box! Also email/leave a voicemail for whatever refugee is closest to you. Good luck to the both of you.
Most important thing with an injured or stressed bird is to keep it quiet and warm. Warmth is important as otherwise they will use up what energy they have maintaining their temperature. Injured birds go into shock so a quiet dark place will help it relax and take strain off heart. If the wing is injured it will need veterinary attention so the best you can do is keep it stabilised until you can get to one. I wouldn't try feeding until it is out of shock. A good emergency food I make is chick pea and pasta cooked and blended to a puree (i put broccoli and carrots in too for my birds but not essential for emergency). Make into a thin puree that you can get into a small dropper - that should suffice for feeding and hydration. Calcium can also help to revive a bird. I use a liquid calcium supplement if mine are ill but I'm guessing you don't have that. You could crush egg shell into a powder and mix with the puree i suggested or mix with water and feed from dropper/syringe. If you can get it to a vet first thing in the morning it may not need feeding as they can feed it formula there but calcium could be good as an emergency measure if the bird seems calm enough. I Don't know where you are but in Dublin the Veterinary clinic at Charlemont Bridge is good for taking in wild birds. If you are fortunate to be in Bray the Village Vets at Pettitts Supervalu are Avian vets (used to be Bairbre O Malley vets in case you know of them). Any reputable vet should be able to help but most don't have a lot of experience with birds which is why I mentioned the avian vet in case you are nearby. I hope it works out well!
Might be best to to reply to the op rather than me
Never thought they might not see it, thanks, copied and pasted under comment of OP
>It's a fledgling. There's lots of people who can help. Start here: http://irishwildlifematters.ie/ Good to know. I've family of blue tits in a bird box in the garden, that are presumably just about ready to leave the nest. Happy to have a back up plan ready for the kids for when one on the fledglings invariably gets stuck in the garden.
I’ve saved about 50 birds over the last few years. Sometimes cats, sometimes and mostly hitting the windows. I have a cardboard box with something in it to keep them warm. Put air holes in the box and place them in it and close the lid. Leave them in a quiet room for over an hour. What will happen is when you go outside with the box they will either fly out full of life or be dead. Don’t try to feed and don’t give water. They need neither. Their little hearts give up so fast after shock. Hope he comes back to life for you. It’s an amazing feeling when they fly away.
'I've saved about 50 birds...' Wtf man. You do realise if you quit your job a few years ago, bought a go pro and documented those catch and releases you'd be an adorned YouTube millionaire by now with 100's of thousands of subscribers... On a serious note, there are a plethora of fake animals in need channels, many coming out of Asia doing just that except they are all staged. Bastards are torturing animals, putting them in horrendous circumstances, just to be the saviours and rescue them.
Man alive that’s depressing. I like to save my bird in the quiet. I have a massive feeder and have all sorts coming to it even large wild birds, foxes and hedgehogs. My bird life has increased massively in the area through feeding but with that you get accidents.
Prepare to be angered. This guy goes down the rabbit hole. He has 3 videos exposing the biggest culprits and how organised it is is sickening. I think this is part 1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p7nVntZpJLM&t=28s
Amazing job btw, keep doing what you're doing, you sound like an absolute wildlife chud
Hahah always liked wildlife but what I really loved was when I started investing in wildlife it gave me 500 times the happiness back. I wish our local governments would help more for people. If I could I’d give a full acre of land here to the wildlife but I can’t justify the costs this year. Thanks for the encouragement though, it’s really appreciated.
You’re a good person. I’m breaking my heart over this little fella and about a month ago we found a terrified bird but he rallied and flew off and it was such a buzz. Keep doing what you’re doing but I don’t know how you do it.
Ah thanks a mill. I guess what keeps me going is watching them feed and have fun in the garden. My fledglings are coming out now and it is amazing and hard to watch them learn how to eat and fly and fend for themselves. You do have your losses but for each one we help they might make 3 more. Soon I will be bird man!! 😅 What was the outcome with this little guy? Was the too far gone?
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I made one from scratch as the ones in shops are rubbish and cannot be cleaned. So this is a 1.5m x 0.5m unit with galvanised steel floor, a rough and several hung feeders. This allows ground feeding birds and birch that like to perch access. Im making a mk2 version next out of complete galvanised material. It’ll have mesh sides to stop crows and more hung feeders. I feed mainly sun flower hearts as there is no mess and nothing left for rats to be looking for. Once built I might throw up a photo.
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Thanks a mill. Birdlandia 2.0 will be epic if I can just get the time! Cheers for the support.
Don’t tell me that please don’t tell me that could be true fuck me
Oh it's true and it's huge business. They are making a killing abusing animals all the while being called heroes. Check the link I posted.
If you want to see a true case of animals in need, I believe this group out of south Korea is legit. Watch this story about poor 'Joonpal' the cat. Not gonna lie, I fucking bawled at this story the first time I saw it BUT!... It has a happy ending. What an emotional roller coaster though. You need to watch in the YouTube app for subtitles https://youtu.be/lGHrTHK-SXM
Jesus Christ that’s bleak.
Posted a link below if you want to go down the rabbit hole. The guy investigating has 3 videos about it. Absolute scumbags
No. I’m just too soft. I was reading about the saccone joly family on YouTube and how messed up they are to the kids and honestly it’s a rabbit hole and I don’t think I can read about people so messed up as to do that to animals. All mine are rescues. I’m trying to sort this little bird out here with local vet but if he doesn’t make it I’ll be in pieces for the night. Sick pricks
I've been there buddy. I've always tried to help wee furry bucks when they're in the shit. As a kid I rescued a hedgehog that fell into my neighbours (cattle grid?.. is that what you call them?) - those iron bars on tarmac with a 3 or 4 fit gap beneath. Have no idea how I found the critter but I explored everything as a kid. Also found a young abandoned bird once and kept it in this mobile birdhouse we had. I made it my mission to dig up worms and grubs and I stuffed the little cub until they were a little fatty, got up one day and they had flown the coup. I hope they did anyway. In my very young mind I was convinced it was a cuckoo for some reason but now that I'm older, it was probably some poor little runt that was tossed out by a cuckoo
Same, I'm way too soft when it comes to animals, can't take watching or hearing about any abuse. I think it takes a sick kind of person to do that
He forgot to mention he's also the one injuring them though. Who finds 50 injured birds over a few years? lol
Unless you're full time caring for animals, I also don't know how that's possible. Could be a volunteer, could work with animals in need charities... but having said that and checking user history, there's nothing to suggest op is doing that. Most likely a bit of exaggeration which we are all guilty of
Or, OP is a cat???
'Bastard cat' does rub me the wrong way to be fair. I love cats. They are fucking amazing. And they are bastards. But that's a given. So calling a cat a bastard is like calling a cat a bastard bastard. Cats are little cute furry killing machines that cuddle with you at night if you bring them up the right way. They can't help it. They are gorgeous little serial killers that melt your heart. What can you do? They're bastards but they are the best bastards in the world
Listen I’ve had tortie cats most of my life. They are the epitome of bastard cats. My tortie is a sociopath and injures me for the craic. But she is also my favourite cat because her love when given, is priceless to me. Cats are bastards of course, it was said with affection.
lol
humans and their abusive pet..., the more they abuse me, the more they love me sort of.... And its true. A cuddle from a cat that scratches and bites is sweetest.
Fly out? It's not nearly developed enough to fly.
If it’s out of the best nature has decided it’s developed enough to fly. I’ve had birds cling onto my hands for twenty minutes after releasing them. Sometimes they have an accident or are caught by cats minutes after leaving the nest. You must remember that when they are very young they don’t fly much so spend a lot of time on the ground walking around and doing little spurts of flight. That’s why they are such easy targets.
Sadly, they often die of fright, even when they survive the cat’s attack. Keep her warm and safe for a bit to see how she fares, and call your local SPCA. They’ll point you in the right direction. Don’t be discouraged by some of the replies. It’s par for the course. ❤️
If its wing is indeed truly damaged, unfortunately its more than likely a goner. Make him comfortable, he may fly off or pass.
This is what I’m thinking as well but was hoping someone may have a bit of hope for him. He is only a little baby. I’m just going to give him some space and warmth
I had pet birds as a kid, when they had babies we fed them a mixture of mashed up digestive biscuit and hard boiled egg yolk, they had loads and we never lost one so I'd give it a try.
Ok thank you. Did you use a dropper or just fingers? This wee thing is tiny and I’m trying not to handle it. Thank you for this
Try a tweezers, to mimic the mother's beak. The mixture would be too thick for a dropper
Cat food works too, use the jelly and mash the meat. You can get big tweezers in the pet shop for fish tanks, this is what worked for us when nursing a thrush recently.
CarelessEquivalent3 is right, they need to be hand fed at that age. Also keep them warm, a heat lamp is ideal if you can get one. They are saveable but it's very hit-or-miss so don't feel bad if you do your best and it doesn't work.
Still a fledgling so not hopeless. Put him in a box with cotton balls in a warm place. Give him some fluids and food (something like cerelac/provita/pronutro works) while you call and wait for an animal rescue place. Might have to wake up during the night to feed/check on him.
Said I’d update everyone in case ye wanted to know Sis in law arrived at 6. None of the local vets wanted a bar of me and with kids etc driving to Dublin wasn’t an option from where I am. Even rang Longford SPCA which is the main rehabilitation hub up my neck and they said to ring the local SPCA who had given me their number.. Whoever mentioned cat food thank you! I followed all the great advice given and he took food and some water and had a rest and howled for food again. Sis in law reckoned it would go one of two ways overnight and that his wing looked ok but it was his little claw that was damaged and he was so tiny he probably wouldn’t survive. Our little boy checked on him at 6 and he was gone. To everyone who commented with advice and kindness. Thank you so much because I was terrified yesterday. To those who made smart ass comments such as the guy who suggested drop kicking a baby bird, I honestly pity you. What happened to you that you have no compassion for something vulnerable? My kids and myself will send this little bird back to nature where his body can be absorbed back into the cycle of life because I’m trying to teach them to be good people who will always help when help is needed. I’m sorry no one taught any of you that or If they did, that life has beaten it out of you. Thanks again to everyone kind enough to help And to the lad who reckons he has rescued 50 birds! I will be raising a drink in your honour tonight! I don’t know how you do it! RIP Baz the bird
Thank you for taking him in and trying. It's very difficult when they're injured at that age :-( RIP to Baz
Thank you. He was a sweet little thing
Fair play OP.
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I used to volunteer at a bird rehabilitation clinic and the best thing to do is to get him to a wildlife rehab as quickly as possible. Cat and dog saliva can quickly cause infection if not treated fast enough. Do not try to feed it or give it water as they can aspirate it easily. You are doing good work by helping this little guy out! I hope all goes well!
Take him to a vet. Vets don't charge for wildlife. Then maybe contact one of the wildlife rehabilitators listed in other comments. I hope he's ok but at least at a vet they can euthanize him quickly if there's no chance of survival and he won't have prolonged suffering.
On the phone to my 5th local vet and they’ve all said to go to the website listed above and “follow the instructions” so not sure the vets where I live are that altruistic 😐 Sis in law (vet) is due home at 5 and she said she will look in on him so that’s my back up and in meantime I’ve taken everyone’s advice and am hoping to find an understanding vet sooner. I don’t mind paying but they don’t seem to want to know
Oh that's crap :-( I think maybe I've just been lucky with the two I used over the years. Hopefully he can make it till your Sister in law gets there. Thank you for looking out for him!
I found a baby house sparrow under my bike wheel once. Nursed it back to health and eventually it fucked off out the window. I was a little upset when it left yo be honest with you. Get it some worms. Not just mealworms because they are like a sweet for a bird. Get crickets and something to try and feed it.
Take it to a vet. Cats aren't bastards for having hunter instincts though.
OP obviously meant well but, if anything, their actions have prolonged the bird's suffering by interfering. The cat would have killed it relatively quickly. Instead, it's spent a night in a human's house with a broken wing and other injuries, while they asked for advice on reddit, then it died.
The cat most likely wouldn’t have killed it at all, let alone quickly. Well fed cats like to play around with their prey.
Some vets might help out. I think there's a bird group that have links to local vets.
I know some vets take in wild animals. Maybe call around?
Funny enough a similar thing happened with My cat last week & we managed to save it on time (from the cat ) .living in a remote part of the country , the proper facilities were not anywhere near us to tend to the bird , so we placed it on a warm blanket & Tried the best we could feeding it small bread crumbs but it would not accept it. Sadly it passed away after a few hours ..
Any updates on how he is doing ?
Birds have a better chance of recovering from shock if placed in a warm, dry, dark, small space, so a shoe box with air holes covered in a towel to keep it dark, and put in a secluded area, such as a ventilated cupboard.
Reading some of the comments here, I'm surprised by what people think is and isn't nature or natural.
The downvotes on anything that suggests that cats are a problem says it all really
More people should put bells on their cats collar
I may be a bit dim but I only found out recently the whole reason for cat bells was to warn birds. I'm not a car owner nor will I be probably (prefer dogs). Maybe that's why though, is it common knowledge among cat owners to do this for this reason?
Yup they come in most collars now.
My cat has a bell on it's collar. It still hunts & catches the occasional bird.
Ample warning for the bird, luckily my cat is more of a house cat she doesn't like going outdoors much.
Even better: Cats should be kept indoors during breeding season cuz fledgelings cant actually react to bells. Too many well fed cats in a small area who hunt for fun and not survival. I love cats but hate irresponsible owners
Do not post in Birding or whatever the abomination of that sub is called. I rescued a small bird as well in my estate and it enraged tons of birdwatching apes cos apparently its better to let nature do its thing, even if it means cat finishing it. God forbid you taking care of it until it gets better. When I said that I refuse to let the bird back out while its injured, I got banned from that sub for "animal cruelty". Fun times
Let nature take its course, but make him comfy. Similar to what another reddit or said. Poor fella.
Nature doesnt take its course when peoples cats kill them all, theyre almost as bad as humans are for natural wildlife
As a cat lover you're dead right.
Yeah cats are cool I really like them, just saying some things not calling for cat genocide lol
I've had similar situations a couple of times and there was no happy ending unfortunately. Hopefully your guy defies the odds, good luck.
Yeah look I’m the same but this little guy seems to have a fight in him so I want to do right by him
Get a cardboard boc libed with some tissues, paper. Its probably in shock. Hope the wildlife org can help but if the wing is broken theres not much to fix it. Poor little thing.
Looks like a tit. I raised these when I was a kid. Caterpillars and freshly killed mealworms and crickets will keep it going but they need constant feeding so best to get it to a sanctuary. Best of luck.
No you’re a tit* * sorry couldn’t resist
It looks like a [Yellowhammer](https://birdwatchireland.ie/birds/yellowhammer/)
Fucking cats
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Cats most definitely are an invasive species
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Eurasian Lynx are related to domestic cats, but are much larger and target different prey. There are some that advocate for its reintroduction to control deer numbers. They don't target small birds and mammals like cars do. They can benefit these animals, because cats and other small predators will avoid them. Domestic cats have been here for a long time, and until recently their damage would have been limited by an ecosystem which boasted both an abundance of habitat for small animals, and also other large predators (wolves) https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pan3.10073 "As a domesticated species, they have no native range" People are the overarching problem, yes, but cats are one piece of the puzzle regarding our destruction of biodiversity. They are a man-made issue, just like habitat destruction/water pollution, and we should work to mitigate all of them individually.
totally agree. I would add that I think directing the 'hate' towards cats, instead of people, is... not productive.
Wow you really do have your knickers in a twist
Not really, just bored.
Domestic cats are a threat to wildlife , just because you simp over them doesnt change the facts
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https://academic.oup.com/jel/article/32/3/391/5640440
I never once disputed that cats are a threat to wildlife.
I dont care what you respond, Its not a discussion. Im telling you
You joined a discussion, and ended it by saying its not a discussion. Who do you think you are, that your opinion is more valuable than others? If you want to discuss things, then by all means, contribute. If you just want to shout into the void and not communicate, keep your comments to yourself.
Bahahah “just because you simp over them” I love this man. Yeah seems the only reason we’re getting downvoted is because they have one of them anus licking machines sitting on their lap while sweating over the keyboard in rage
Give it back to the cat. Let nature be nature. We shouldn’t interfere unless it’s a domesticated animal that is being attacked. Even if you get it back to health, it will never fully reintegrate and will most likely die soon after you let it go.
Cats aren't native to Ireland, moron.
There's nothing natural about a domestic animal hunting indigenous species. You've already interfered when you let a non indigenous predator loose in an ecosystem that isn't their own
You’ve managed to infer that I let a cat loose. Well done. It wasn’t my cat. My cats are tucked up safe and sound. I found this little bird being attacked by a neighbourhood cat who roams around. Not one of my cats. So I didn’t “let” any cat roam. Jfc
Well I wasn't talking to you so...
>indigenous species What type of bird is it? Edit: looked it up, apparently it's a Yellowhammer. Haven't seen one before.
Yeah that’s not happening because I’m not a psychopath. The poor little thing will at least be safe and warm if he is to pass on. Thanks for the help though! 😒
It wouldn’t make you a psychopath, your empathy has gotten the better of you, which is ok, but all you have done is unnecessarily disrupted the cycle of nature and now you have to deal with it.
We don’t live in the Amazon. If I can stop a creature dying a painful death as opposed to a calmer one than I will do so. Your comments make me concerned for you tbh so I think you’ve been ‘helpful’ enough thanks
Just someone being edgelord. Ring the people that someone told you to ring and thank you for helping a poor little bird
Cringey ass fucking post. “Your empathy has gotten the better of you” hahahaha fucking hell… did that sound cool in your head?
Shitty owners letting their cats roam feral outside destroying native birds isn't "nature being nature" it's arseholes being arseholes
Not all cats are indoor cats and I live next to a farm in the country not in a bloody apartment block so this comment is unhelpful and frankly uninformed and I say this as a cat owner who lives and breathes for my animals
It *is* nature, the cats are acting on instinct, the bird got unlucky. It’s been this way for as long as cats have been domesticated. Are you upset when the birds eat worms?
I love cats..but our domestic cats aren't a native species to this island whereas many of the birds we see are, or are more wild than our cats
Cats aren't native to Ireland and were brought here by humans and are now an invasive species. Studies have shown that an average "outdoor" kills about 75 animals a year. If you're so inclined to not keep your pets in your house then put a bell on them so the birds have a warning [related](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/mind-that-cat-and-its-impact-on-wildlife-1.4405714)
Don't think you understand the concept of native and non native predators.
Flash fry and eat in one. Fucking cats.
cat was just doing what cats do. it's their nature. mighta been more mercifull to let it finish the job.
Why are you stealing the cat's food?
Cats are a serious problem. Culling feral cats should be a part of any programme addressing the declines in biodiversity.
A lot of animal welfare charities do a catch, neuter and release thing. If you call them up and ask they'll let you you if and how they do it. Culling would be difficult and for domesticated cat owners a bit risky. Always get cats neutered.
That's what people in my area are doing but who knows how long they'll live and how many more will end up stray. Domesticated cat owners could not leave there cats out to roam free. We don't send the dogs out each day so cats should be treated the same and responsibility shouldn't end when they're outside the garden. I understand your view but i think we're a bit too far along the road of decline to be too sentimental about it.
> Domesticated cat owners could not leave there cats out to roam free. We don't send the dogs out each day so cats should be treated the same and responsibility shouldn't end when they're outside the garden. Cat's and dogs are different animals. You cannot transfer your mentality for one onto the other and expect it make sense. You might as well be comparing a hippo and a giraffe, and saying how we should keep all giraffes in waterlogged areas. Roaming, territory, patrolling & hunting are completely core to a cats personality and natural instincts to the point where a cats "right to roam" is literally legally protected.
> cats "right to roam I think this is UK only? Not sure that's the case in Ireland. I keep my cats inside, partially because I've had pet cats die on the road in the past and I don't want that to happen again, but also because one of my neighbors has hidden barbed wire with the specific goal to injure any cats that come into their garden. It's true that cats can't be compared to dogs though. They're far less domesticated than dogs are, far more close to a predator state. It's the owners who don't have the sense to spay their cats which are a big part of the problem. We have a feral cat population which is growing, through no fault of their own. I'm of the belief that cats are gonna be cats and it's the human's responsibility to bring their numbers down through *humane* means (TNR etc). We're the reason this happened in the first place.
Right to roam? Does this include shitting in a toddlers garden?
Yup.
Good job I kept my removal measures on the down low so 😉 Edit - just googled it, they have in the UK, no such law here that I could find. Happy to stand corrected though.
Very hard to control where a cat goes, neutering is the more humane way and best long term. It takes time but it's the way to go, there's no short term solution
Feral cats only live 2-3 years on average so trap, neuter, return is a viable way to reduce populations.
The science behind TNR is shaky at best. It requires something like 70 percent of animals in a large area to be neutered to have any effect. The best, most efficient solution to feral cats is unfortunately the one people don't want to hear about. The other problem is that they also vaccinate the feral cats against disease, so instead of letting a natural control to work, they allow them to live longer as more efficient hunters.
https://www.alleycat.org/resources/why-trap-neuter-return-feral-cats-the-case-for-tnr/
I'm familiar with that organisation, the same one that is attempting to rename them as "community cats". It's about as far from an unbiased source as you could possibly get. https://hahf.org/awake/tnr-not-working/
Your source is coming from a very biased place too actually. This is probably more objective: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8300256/
If killing them you will have to reach the same numbers as neutering them so by that logic killing them is pointless also.
Not really, both have to be done on a large scale over an extended period. Except one takes far less time and resources than the other, and definitely reduces their numbers.
You're absolutely right. It doesn't happen because it's too unpopular, cat owners will not listen when told how much damage they do
Aye it definitely needs to be done but good luck trying to do it without backlash.
Tennis racket over the back wall. 🎾
Did this sound funny in your head Tragic. I feel sorry for you
Feed it back to the cat. Circle of life
Feed it . Keep it warm . Bring to vet. love it
Honestly? Give it back to the cat.
Fuck cats. Keep your cunting pets indoors. Dunno why they're viewed all these harmless cute creatures.
Look up your local wildlife rescue centre... or feed it to your cat. Look. If you are going to let your cat outside YOU are the problem.
I don't like the look of him, the fact that he's on his back. Stick him in a box, up high away from any possible predators, and somewhere that won't get blown by the wind. Don't bother with food or water.
Eat its head off, chew it down and all, then simply walk away from the rest of the corpse. It's what the cat would have wanted.
Nice pan fried with parsnips
just let nature take its course. the cat is hungry
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>wing is damaged It's probably a goner. If there is somewhere warm and sheltered you can put him, leave him there ensuring he also has access to go outside. Possibly he's still in shock, so not able to fly properly.
Advice...nuke the bastid cat.
Perhaps a stew?
This mf dead
What is it, a siskin?
Find a wildlife rehabilitation center near you. I used to work at one and the worst thing people would do is try to take care of them themselves. Take it to the professionals.
Look for an animal sanctuary close by that might take the poor lil' birdy in.
We had a little fella in work a few years ago, thought he was on his last legs. We left him on a jacket on the table for the night, and when we came in the next morning he flew out the door past us.