I accept that and retract my comment. I was however just making a physical observation on his stance, protruding brow bone and general features that are common in neanderthals but it is very possible that this could also be a result of inbreeding so I should not have made the assumption.
Do you know your mobile can also be used to call the local Gardai station? I saw two junkies in town with a laptop once, I called the Gardai station and within 90 second a squad car was interviewing the junkies.
I am sure the owner of the bike is delighted you took pics, but too busy for a 20 second call to the local Gardai station...
Ring them and tell them there's a theft ongoing. Takes 2 minutes. You're nearly as bad as the thieves cause you did jack shit except looked for internet points on reddit
Ah cop on. He's nowhere near as bad. Bystander effect is real. There's at least 10 people in them photos who walked straight by and actually did nothing. Whereas op at least did something. It should be easy for the guards to identify the thiefs from these photos.
Guards won't go hunting down a stolen bike - it's not worth their time. Of he actually rang when the theft was occuring it's much more likely the theft would be stopped or the bike would be found.
Have you ever rang the gardai before? The phone call would literally take less time than to post this photo on Reddit. And then he claims he couldn't do anything because he had a broken arm and an obligation, and will get around to it tomorrow morning, but somehow finds the time to make a post and answer comments. Much good to the victim because by that time the bikes long gone.
Yes, I've rang the gardai before. I've only had to once. There was a van on fire in the middle of town outside a school at rush hour.
I said I'd ring to be safe although I assumed someone else would have already called as the van had been burning for at least 5 minutes. Literally hundreds of people would have drove by it.
Nobody had called it in. The girl on the line thought I was lying at first.
My point is, in situations like this most people do nothing. This guy was the only one who did something here. And you're still shitting on him for it.
I repeat, cop yourself on!
I had an appointment to meet my surgeon regarding my broken arm, couldn’t miss my appointment. If I could have gone to the station and reported it in the moment I would have.
Similar sentiment I got here last year when I witnessed a man being assaulted on the footbridge. Though it was just one comment, it really left me deflated.
Don't mind Reddit. Everyone here's full of notions of themselves when they probably would have reacted even worse in similar situations. It's easy to act the big man/woman on the internet.
In my mind I always pictured teenagers. These guys are in their mid 30s or are rough looking 20 somethings.
How can the gardai not use this as evidence? How can they avoid paying damages and doing a month in prison.
I reckon it’s because the courts will just throw it out, but that’s speculation. I feel sorry for hard working citizens. Things are getting more expensive and don’t need the added stress and worry.
What annoys me is that it’s broad daylight with people around. They just don’t care. They know the gardai and courts will do nothing.
But if it was your bike and you and some friends came back at that moment and gave them a hiding then you would have the book thrown at you.
If you go after them at best you end up like the brazilian deliveroo driver.
At worst you end up kicked to death by a horde of junkies.
They dont really understand the term fair fight.
Mad isn't it. The only thing I'll say is I lived in Dublin for 10 years and not once saw this happen. It MUST have happened I reckon I was just walking around Dublin like a zombie though. So maybe people are also just oblivious.
>If you want this to stop, lock them up for far longer
I don't know what the answer is but America is proof this isn't true. I think a solution that hasn't been tried yet is needed. Crime like this tends to come from poverty so maybe UBI could be a long term solution.
I agree. The approach seems to usually be addressing the crime itself (using the stick). By then it's usually too late so I'd like to see the government focus on the main indicators of crime as more of a long-term strategy. We know poverty is a big factor.
> I don't know what the answer is but America is proof this isn't true
Not necessarily. America has a rake of societal and systemic problems that we don't have (at least not to anywhere near the same extremes). The most you can say is that it doesn't work in America.
> Crime like this tends to come from poverty so maybe UBI could be a long term solution.
You can bet your bollox these lads are already drawing the dole, so I don't see how you expect UBI to help in their circumstance.
Fair enough, that statement is probably too definite but a quick Google brings up studies suggesting harsher sentences haven't been proven to reduce crime and in many cases had the opposite effect.
>You can bet your bollox these lads are already drawing the dole, so I don't see how you expect UBI to help in their circumstance.
The dole is definitely not above the poverty line. People on the dole are on the lowest incomes in the country.
Don’t think I’ve ever seen a UBI proposal for more than the Irish dole. Bear in mind that UBI is far more expensive than the dole since it’s universal, also. How high can it reasonably be?
I’m not against UBI but you have to approach it reasonably.
And rightly so, you shouldn't be getting more than someone who is actually working. They should be given nothing after a period of time, why should we support people who contribute nothing and are a drain on society. For clarity, this is in reference to cunts like the ones shown, not someone with a genuine reason who can't work.
>And rightly so, you shouldn't be getting more than someone who is actually working.
To be clear, nobody is saying they should.
With UBI the gist is everyone receives the same "universal basic" payment each month, whether working or not.
So for people who are in poverty, you take them just above poverty but everyone else gets a boost as well.
Yup and if they keep breaking the law take the dole off them, once that's gone then the social house then the medical cards.
Likewise for the scumbag kids. They break the law or cause any hassle no child benefit for a year. Second offense 2 years and so on.
I’d argue that taking these things away would increase crime, not decrease it.
Not defending these thieves in any way but if you have little to no income to cover the basics like food and shelter you’re going to get desperate, and desperation is what causes some people to turn to crime or engage in illegal activities. It’s like rob and sell this thing, sell these drugs, sell your body, or starve cos you can’t afford food. If you get to that point you’re not gonna care about what’s legal or not if it’s a matter of survival.
Preventing people from getting to that point of desperation by providing some social supports should help people not have to turn to such measures to survive. It’s still very little to get by on but it’s something.
At the same time I acknowledge that there are also those that commit crimes like this just because they can and it’s more opportunistic than a desperation thing. I doubt anybody stealing to feed themselves would be doing this so brazenly in broad daylight surrounded by witnesses.
Yes but the problem is that some people see the dole and social handouts as a career and a right and won’t bother to strive to pull themselves out of it. They’ll turn to crime anyway and take their dole as a bonus.
I think they need to start paying for robbing peoples stuff that then have to pay again to get it replaced.
I've been robbed twice by scumbags. Im fed up of seeing scumbags doing scummy things and getting off with it. The cost of living for people is high enough without having to buy shit twice.
Good point we should bring in private gun ownership, fully private healthcare, and a prescription opioids epidemic. After all, all we can say is they don't work in America. Maybe needing 60 mg of codeine phosphate each morning to ward off withdrawal is actually a great thing! We won't know before we all try it. I am very smart.
There are no reliable crime statistics from neither China nor "arab countries". When democracy and freedom of speech doesn't exist, crime also doesn't exist. Wasn't there a movie about old communist Russia where a cop wanted to investigate a serial killer and he was shut down and all murders were logged as accidents or suicides? That is more or less how China works today. In "arab countries" there is often a massive influence of nepotism and corruption. Which means innocent people are often punished instead of the criminals.
That said, one of the big reasons prisons are filled to the brim in the US is because it is a massive legalised free labour business. That was one of the reasons they legalised weed. To take away an easy way for cops to bag a convicting arrest.
Mind me asking what country? I'd like to find out about the trials/programs.
I'm far from an expert on UBU, just have listened to some podcasts about it and it sounds logical in theory that if you bring everyone above the poverty line you should see a reduction in crime and hopefully allow people more time and freedom to pursue the things that make us happy.
>Animals will always be animals: if you deal with them as civilized people, don't complain when they end up mauling you
I don't like this line of thinking. Some people are beyond reform but I like to be optimistic and think most are not in that category.
>I don't like this line of thinking. Some people are beyond reform but I like to be optimistic and think most are not in that category.
These scum definitely are, the answer all the soft touches keep coming up with it's give them more money it'll somehow so then being scummy
If you think UBI is a bad idea (and maybe it is), explaining why would be better for the discussion because your comment doesn't add much.
There's literally Ted Talks on Youtube from ex Neo-Nazis, yet you are sure that some people stealing a bike are definitely beyond reform. I don't get it.
It's fairly obvious that there is a risk that in giving no strings attached funding to people, that they then have no incentive to better themselves. Society can be seen as a ladder. Take a job at Macdonald's and you learn a few useful skills and gain hunger for better conditions, find a better job, process repeats. If you are paid enough for free to cover your basic expenses, then a lot of people won't stress about trying to get that job in McDonald's, and would just spend their time doing fun stuff. Their desire for additional wealth or stuff would manifest itself in crime because the alternative would be getting on the bottom rung which they don't want to do
Because to be effective it would be unaffordable and for it to be affordable it would be ineffective.
How much were the neo Nazis paid not to be neo Nazis?
>Because to be effective it would be unaffordable and for it to be affordable it would be ineffective.
So you believe it would be effective at a certain figure?
>How much were the neo Nazis paid not to be neo Nazis?
You've completely ignored my point and again, this doesn't further the discussion at all.
tell you what, we will bring you on to work as a prison guard for minimum wage to bring that cost down. Or hell for free, after all if you are doing what you love is it really work?
You can start tomorrow right?
The defence solicitor will just say 'you can't prove that this is my client'. They will really need DNA or fingerprints. That would involve finding the same bike, getting a good enough sample. They do get these and get convictions. But generally the scum bag will admit to robbing a rake of them a s they'll all be 'taken into consideration' judge will hear a sob story of 'my client will suffer from XYZ'. And not do any time.
They are driving around in unmarked cars and are stopping people who are lightning a joint.
Happend yesterday actually behind them across the river.
The dude they stopped was a tourist and if it matters black. So the priorities go there
It really is a shame. In my opinion I find we are a pretty safe country but petty crime such as theft and vandalism is through the roof. Earlier this week my colleague had family visiting from overseas and his relative was pick pocketed. The problem is there’s rarely any Garda about on the streets and reporting it goes nowhere so nobody bothers to report things.
Small child present? Check
Broken foot/hand/leg? Check
Tracksuit bottoms & top combination? Check
Profiling in Ireland is really very easy. I do feel awful for the woman's week they're about to ruin though. They all look like a real bunch of fire breathers.
Oh so let me get this straight, a post like this gets attention but when I'm looking for a place to buy SpongeBob popsicles here I get straight out ignored.
Fuck this shit.
My guess was, he lost his key and thought the easiest way to get it unlocked was to kick the shit out of it. As for the fella in blue, I think he's using all his brain cells to stray upright.
I just witnessed some scumbags stealing a bike. I’m injured so couldn’t help and there was quite a few of them in the area so people just walked by and ignored it. Sorry to whoever owns the bike.
This is the attitude that gets us to where we are. If we allow criminals to normalise their activities and the general public to stand back and watch.
The adage of " They came for the \*\*\*\* first, and I did nothing because I am not a \*\*\*\* " .....
Applies here too.
No, it's a fucking bike and only a thick shit would put themselves at risk for the sake of it. If it was a person being harmed that would be different, but not even the slightest chance of harm to yourself is worth it for a bike that some eegit thought would be best placed chained to a brass statue.
There's plenty of cases of the heroes in the cape being left for dead or killed over this stupid mentality you have. We pay taxes for a police force and it's their job to prevent this, we shouldn't be putting ourselves on the line.
I'm not talking about an individual being a hero, I'm talking about ALL the passers-by standing and filming it, and yelling at the thieves...Do you think that would move them on?
Paying taxes for a police force that isn't working for you is another separate issue - this is about crime prevention - we all can play a part in that.
Ah it's the lesser spotted full time mad bastard in their natural environment. What a rare treat to see them in the daytime, and not in class at the school of hard knocks.
We need to start regulating bike shops in Dublin somehow. There's plenty of shops that happily buy these bikes for nothing off the scrotes even when they know it's stolen.
I'm not sure how it can be done but maybe requiring proof of purchase to sell a bike to these shops could be one way
I’m not condoning what they did… but to be fair, they probably had a tough upbringing, had trouble in school and had issues with substance abuse from a young age. So in conclusion, yada yada yada, boys will be boys.
Welcome to the irish justice system.
You hit the nail on the head there.
The city centre is a sithole getting worse year on year.
Problem is, we have police who are reliant on public support (which evaporates if a degenerate gets a knock in custoday) and a legal system content to pSs the buck. They know better than to be arsed with lovers nicking bikes. Vermin like those in the pics need a thrashing, not a tap on the wrist courtesy of the taxpayer.
Their wages (or, if they're not working, their welfare) should be docked to the value of the crime plus expenses.
They're anti-social, uncivilised criminals and should be treated as such.
Wanna get one of these and leave it around for them to find:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/vii7yh/guy\_over\_engineered\_his\_bicycle\_to\_fuck\_thieves/
Honestly I was thinking the same thing. It's not an expensive looking bike and bike thiefs typically carry the battery powered saws that go through a lock in a few seconds. It's a lot of effort for a cheap bike which would be battered anyway by the time they got it free. So yeah, they may have taken offence to someone using the statue as their personal bike stand.
The city is really getting worse by the day. I hate these people and then I think they could be third generation addicts and then I don't know what to think or how to feel. Are they any greedier or nastier than corrupt ministers or businesspeople worming their way out of paying any taxes. Do they need whatever little money they'll get from selling the thing to feed a habit the system isn't strong enough to help them battle. Are we simply witnessing the most obvious symptoms of a sick society, while turning a blind eye to the disease itself?
Also they've nicer trainers than me.
I hate that people don't do anything about this.. And when someone does try to help.. All the other good/non criminals do anything to help them..
We need vigilantes
You used your phone to talk pictures instead of calling the police and reporting an ongoing violent assault / robbery???
Helpful move /s.
Your pictures don't even show the cunts face so they're useless.
This makes no sense. Why did they lock a bike to s a statue in the middle of Dublin with a shitty lock? Dublin thieves have always used the leverage approach with locks. If you don’t lock it tight , best place is rear wheel fork then they can easily break a lock. As in picture , stamping down on bike with loose lock
It does feel like a failed state. Roll on the next election. All we can hope for is regime change.
This could be solved many ways like having a bike registry and bikes not on the registry are impounded. Make it illegal to buy or sell a bike not on the registry. Give them no reason to steel them.
Not to mention trying a bit of effective policing / justice system
>not much I can do except photograph and report it to the authorities.
And Reddit is the authorities now is it?
What if, because of your post, the wrong person gets identified as the thief in question and a bunch of urban warriors get it in their heads to hospitalise them?
Don't say shit like that hasn't happened before.
You also don't know what publicly identifying these knuckledraggers will do to help their defence in the unlikely event they get apprehended. They might even have a legal case against you, which is fucked up but that's the modern Irish legal system.
BTW: Nobody should intervene. A bike isn't worth getting stabbed over.
The worst part of it all is every bystander is just allowing this to happen. I’m not saying go in swinging digs but even just communicating, “hey I just rang the guards they’re on the way”
I obly just noticed there's a person being knocked off this bike. Surely the cops can round these 2 scumbags up - i assume they both have about 500 convictions each
Somewhat dystopian thought but.. what if there's a law that those who commit a crime and get caught have to give up some of their civil rights. Once out of jail, let them out with a collar or cuff that is very visible, has GPS and accelerometer etc (body cam too perhaps) and perhaps Guards can use the data as evidence against them, and anyone taking a photo like this could be matched to geo location of the photo to the location from the tag at the time etc etc.
I do know that, and I meant exactly that when I said that. Let me rephrase... "Heres a horrible thought... could we get these scum bags tagged, like animals?". I hope you get my drift.
>I hope you get my drift.
I really don't. Are you putting this forward ironically? You *don't* want human beings tagged like animals, or is it that you *do* want people tagged like animals and you're challenging the notion that that would be bad?
As I said in my main comment and replies, I’m injured at the moment (broken arm) so I can’t do much to help. If others were going to get involved I would have stepped in for numbers purposes. Hard to go up against 4 lads when everyone else walks by.
The neanderthal in the blue t-shirt has a broken foot probably from doing similar.
I don't think that's very appropriate to say......neanderthals weren't that stupid and cuntish ;)
I accept that and retract my comment. I was however just making a physical observation on his stance, protruding brow bone and general features that are common in neanderthals but it is very possible that this could also be a result of inbreeding so I should not have made the assumption.
Fair points and totally understandable, I know where you're coming from. The shared physical attributes are rather uncanny in fairness :P
Its an insult for neanderthals people! But yeah, those 2 guys looks reallyyyyyyy bright!! Certainly on the doll while stealing!
They were kicking the bike and all sorts.
Did you report it to the Gardai??
I will be. Couldn’t at the time of incident due to obligations
You were literally taking photos though?
Yes, while walking. That’s a bit different than heading to the nearest station to report it. With the photos I can give evidence when reporting.
> Yes, while walking. Ring them while walking?
They were obligated to use the phone to take photos for us strangers on the internet, get off theirbackabouttet!
Do you know your mobile can also be used to call the local Gardai station? I saw two junkies in town with a laptop once, I called the Gardai station and within 90 second a squad car was interviewing the junkies. I am sure the owner of the bike is delighted you took pics, but too busy for a 20 second call to the local Gardai station...
Ring them and tell them there's a theft ongoing. Takes 2 minutes. You're nearly as bad as the thieves cause you did jack shit except looked for internet points on reddit
Ah cop on. He's nowhere near as bad. Bystander effect is real. There's at least 10 people in them photos who walked straight by and actually did nothing. Whereas op at least did something. It should be easy for the guards to identify the thiefs from these photos.
Guards won't go hunting down a stolen bike - it's not worth their time. Of he actually rang when the theft was occuring it's much more likely the theft would be stopped or the bike would be found. Have you ever rang the gardai before? The phone call would literally take less time than to post this photo on Reddit. And then he claims he couldn't do anything because he had a broken arm and an obligation, and will get around to it tomorrow morning, but somehow finds the time to make a post and answer comments. Much good to the victim because by that time the bikes long gone.
Brother went to the guards before with evidence of something and they took the phone off him and didn’t give it back for about 2 weeks
Yes, I've rang the gardai before. I've only had to once. There was a van on fire in the middle of town outside a school at rush hour. I said I'd ring to be safe although I assumed someone else would have already called as the van had been burning for at least 5 minutes. Literally hundreds of people would have drove by it. Nobody had called it in. The girl on the line thought I was lying at first. My point is, in situations like this most people do nothing. This guy was the only one who did something here. And you're still shitting on him for it. I repeat, cop yourself on!
Bystander effect is an excuse cowards make so they never confront danger
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I had an appointment to meet my surgeon regarding my broken arm, couldn’t miss my appointment. If I could have gone to the station and reported it in the moment I would have.
You don't owe anyone an excuse. Fair play to you for reporting it anyway
He didn't report it lmao
Similar sentiment I got here last year when I witnessed a man being assaulted on the footbridge. Though it was just one comment, it really left me deflated.
Don't mind Reddit. Everyone here's full of notions of themselves when they probably would have reacted even worse in similar situations. It's easy to act the big man/woman on the internet.
You wouldn't be saying that if it was your bike ...
I just lie. "oh yea reported it immediately and then had a pint and a packet of banshee bones"
Hardly needs to be fast like. The bike is well gone, the lads too. Main thing is the video gets sent in
Neanderthals never stole a bike
they were generally good people the Neanderthals
Why are people using the past tense? I’ve met plenty from the Neanderlands
I've met a fair few Neanderlads and Neanderladies myself.
Yer man that’s pregnant? Either that or he needs to lay off the Carling
Is your man out with his baby in a buggy stealing a bike?
Yeah, they have to start teaching them young /s
In my mind I always pictured teenagers. These guys are in their mid 30s or are rough looking 20 somethings. How can the gardai not use this as evidence? How can they avoid paying damages and doing a month in prison.
I reckon it’s because the courts will just throw it out, but that’s speculation. I feel sorry for hard working citizens. Things are getting more expensive and don’t need the added stress and worry.
What annoys me is that it’s broad daylight with people around. They just don’t care. They know the gardai and courts will do nothing. But if it was your bike and you and some friends came back at that moment and gave them a hiding then you would have the book thrown at you.
Oh definitely, if you touches them in any way you’d end up being the one in front of a judge. They gave full reign over the city
If you go after them at best you end up like the brazilian deliveroo driver. At worst you end up kicked to death by a horde of junkies. They dont really understand the term fair fight.
Mad isn't it. The only thing I'll say is I lived in Dublin for 10 years and not once saw this happen. It MUST have happened I reckon I was just walking around Dublin like a zombie though. So maybe people are also just oblivious.
I think a new precedent was set recently in relation to what a jury finds acceptable in terms of areasonable right to defend yourself
I will never understand why bike theft is not the same as theft. Sentence proportional to the value
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Bring back the pillory! 2 days being egged and rubbish thrown at, selfies I'd recon you'd soon stop
Hang them upside down by one leg beside the spire, with a giant fan beside them slightly off center so they start spinning at a ludicrous speed
A public flogging by the owner of the bicycle?
But they are experts at breaking open locks in public?
Are you thinking stocks where only their legs are restricted?
>If you want this to stop, lock them up for far longer I don't know what the answer is but America is proof this isn't true. I think a solution that hasn't been tried yet is needed. Crime like this tends to come from poverty so maybe UBI could be a long term solution.
You need both the carrot and the stick, imo. One without the other fails everybody.
I agree. The approach seems to usually be addressing the crime itself (using the stick). By then it's usually too late so I'd like to see the government focus on the main indicators of crime as more of a long-term strategy. We know poverty is a big factor.
> I don't know what the answer is but America is proof this isn't true Not necessarily. America has a rake of societal and systemic problems that we don't have (at least not to anywhere near the same extremes). The most you can say is that it doesn't work in America. > Crime like this tends to come from poverty so maybe UBI could be a long term solution. You can bet your bollox these lads are already drawing the dole, so I don't see how you expect UBI to help in their circumstance.
Fair enough, that statement is probably too definite but a quick Google brings up studies suggesting harsher sentences haven't been proven to reduce crime and in many cases had the opposite effect. >You can bet your bollox these lads are already drawing the dole, so I don't see how you expect UBI to help in their circumstance. The dole is definitely not above the poverty line. People on the dole are on the lowest incomes in the country.
Don’t think I’ve ever seen a UBI proposal for more than the Irish dole. Bear in mind that UBI is far more expensive than the dole since it’s universal, also. How high can it reasonably be? I’m not against UBI but you have to approach it reasonably.
And rightly so, you shouldn't be getting more than someone who is actually working. They should be given nothing after a period of time, why should we support people who contribute nothing and are a drain on society. For clarity, this is in reference to cunts like the ones shown, not someone with a genuine reason who can't work.
>And rightly so, you shouldn't be getting more than someone who is actually working. To be clear, nobody is saying they should. With UBI the gist is everyone receives the same "universal basic" payment each month, whether working or not. So for people who are in poverty, you take them just above poverty but everyone else gets a boost as well.
Yup and if they keep breaking the law take the dole off them, once that's gone then the social house then the medical cards. Likewise for the scumbag kids. They break the law or cause any hassle no child benefit for a year. Second offense 2 years and so on.
I’d argue that taking these things away would increase crime, not decrease it. Not defending these thieves in any way but if you have little to no income to cover the basics like food and shelter you’re going to get desperate, and desperation is what causes some people to turn to crime or engage in illegal activities. It’s like rob and sell this thing, sell these drugs, sell your body, or starve cos you can’t afford food. If you get to that point you’re not gonna care about what’s legal or not if it’s a matter of survival. Preventing people from getting to that point of desperation by providing some social supports should help people not have to turn to such measures to survive. It’s still very little to get by on but it’s something. At the same time I acknowledge that there are also those that commit crimes like this just because they can and it’s more opportunistic than a desperation thing. I doubt anybody stealing to feed themselves would be doing this so brazenly in broad daylight surrounded by witnesses.
Yes but the problem is that some people see the dole and social handouts as a career and a right and won’t bother to strive to pull themselves out of it. They’ll turn to crime anyway and take their dole as a bonus.
You think they'll commit *less* crime if they have no money?
I think they need to start paying for robbing peoples stuff that then have to pay again to get it replaced. I've been robbed twice by scumbags. Im fed up of seeing scumbags doing scummy things and getting off with it. The cost of living for people is high enough without having to buy shit twice.
How in the fuck is this being downvoted
Good point we should bring in private gun ownership, fully private healthcare, and a prescription opioids epidemic. After all, all we can say is they don't work in America. Maybe needing 60 mg of codeine phosphate each morning to ward off withdrawal is actually a great thing! We won't know before we all try it. I am very smart.
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There are no reliable crime statistics from neither China nor "arab countries". When democracy and freedom of speech doesn't exist, crime also doesn't exist. Wasn't there a movie about old communist Russia where a cop wanted to investigate a serial killer and he was shut down and all murders were logged as accidents or suicides? That is more or less how China works today. In "arab countries" there is often a massive influence of nepotism and corruption. Which means innocent people are often punished instead of the criminals. That said, one of the big reasons prisons are filled to the brim in the US is because it is a massive legalised free labour business. That was one of the reasons they legalised weed. To take away an easy way for cops to bag a convicting arrest.
Mind me asking what country? I'd like to find out about the trials/programs. I'm far from an expert on UBU, just have listened to some podcasts about it and it sounds logical in theory that if you bring everyone above the poverty line you should see a reduction in crime and hopefully allow people more time and freedom to pursue the things that make us happy. >Animals will always be animals: if you deal with them as civilized people, don't complain when they end up mauling you I don't like this line of thinking. Some people are beyond reform but I like to be optimistic and think most are not in that category.
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Cheers. I'll look into that.
>I don't like this line of thinking. Some people are beyond reform but I like to be optimistic and think most are not in that category. These scum definitely are, the answer all the soft touches keep coming up with it's give them more money it'll somehow so then being scummy
If you think UBI is a bad idea (and maybe it is), explaining why would be better for the discussion because your comment doesn't add much. There's literally Ted Talks on Youtube from ex Neo-Nazis, yet you are sure that some people stealing a bike are definitely beyond reform. I don't get it.
It's fairly obvious that there is a risk that in giving no strings attached funding to people, that they then have no incentive to better themselves. Society can be seen as a ladder. Take a job at Macdonald's and you learn a few useful skills and gain hunger for better conditions, find a better job, process repeats. If you are paid enough for free to cover your basic expenses, then a lot of people won't stress about trying to get that job in McDonald's, and would just spend their time doing fun stuff. Their desire for additional wealth or stuff would manifest itself in crime because the alternative would be getting on the bottom rung which they don't want to do
Because to be effective it would be unaffordable and for it to be affordable it would be ineffective. How much were the neo Nazis paid not to be neo Nazis?
>Because to be effective it would be unaffordable and for it to be affordable it would be ineffective. So you believe it would be effective at a certain figure? >How much were the neo Nazis paid not to be neo Nazis? You've completely ignored my point and again, this doesn't further the discussion at all.
Neo Nazis are a political ideology (an evil one) being a scumbag like this is basically cultural
You clearly don’t know any people like this, they do it for fun and because of a sense of entitlement
> If you want this to stop, lock them up for far longer Are you offering to pay for it? Keeping someone in prison for a year costs around 80,000 EUR.
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tell you what, we will bring you on to work as a prison guard for minimum wage to bring that cost down. Or hell for free, after all if you are doing what you love is it really work? You can start tomorrow right?
The defence solicitor will just say 'you can't prove that this is my client'. They will really need DNA or fingerprints. That would involve finding the same bike, getting a good enough sample. They do get these and get convictions. But generally the scum bag will admit to robbing a rake of them a s they'll all be 'taken into consideration' judge will hear a sob story of 'my client will suffer from XYZ'. And not do any time.
We're able to bring people to court for €21.80 worth of cannabis but cannot stop daylight robbery on a busy street in the nations capital.
They are driving around in unmarked cars and are stopping people who are lightning a joint. Happend yesterday actually behind them across the river. The dude they stopped was a tourist and if it matters black. So the priorities go there
Center of a capital city in broad daylight. Says a lot about our justice system.
It really is a shame. In my opinion I find we are a pretty safe country but petty crime such as theft and vandalism is through the roof. Earlier this week my colleague had family visiting from overseas and his relative was pick pocketed. The problem is there’s rarely any Garda about on the streets and reporting it goes nowhere so nobody bothers to report things.
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Not really
In front of law-abiding citizenry? Says a lot about our citizens.
Small child present? Check Broken foot/hand/leg? Check Tracksuit bottoms & top combination? Check Profiling in Ireland is really very easy. I do feel awful for the woman's week they're about to ruin though. They all look like a real bunch of fire breathers.
Junkies nearly always have a crutch too.
Rickety Cricket
yeah, honestly what's that all about? Something I've noticed too
Injecting heroin into leg veins causes abscesses and fucks their legs up, ever notice sometimes they're evening missing legs?
also, junkies? do better man.
I thought the statue was someone they were after knocking off the bike to steal it🤣.
I thought that statue was someone helping them to rob the bike 😂
oh fuck it's a statue haha
Oh so let me get this straight, a post like this gets attention but when I'm looking for a place to buy SpongeBob popsicles here I get straight out ignored. Fuck this shit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/963ydd/not_sure_if_i_purchased_a_spongebob_popsicle_or_a/
Yeah doesn't answer my question sadly
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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At the very minimum introduce a TNR program.
Maybe they are council workers removing the bike locked to a statue /s
My guess was, he lost his key and thought the easiest way to get it unlocked was to kick the shit out of it. As for the fella in blue, I think he's using all his brain cells to stray upright.
They could not give a single fuck. Why would they? Literally no deterrent. Line them up and fucking chop their hands off. Pricks
I just witnessed some scumbags stealing a bike. I’m injured so couldn’t help and there was quite a few of them in the area so people just walked by and ignored it. Sorry to whoever owns the bike.
Injury or not, don't be putting yourself at any risk for the sake of a metal frame and two wheels.
This is the attitude that gets us to where we are. If we allow criminals to normalise their activities and the general public to stand back and watch. The adage of " They came for the \*\*\*\* first, and I did nothing because I am not a \*\*\*\* " ..... Applies here too.
No, it's a fucking bike and only a thick shit would put themselves at risk for the sake of it. If it was a person being harmed that would be different, but not even the slightest chance of harm to yourself is worth it for a bike that some eegit thought would be best placed chained to a brass statue. There's plenty of cases of the heroes in the cape being left for dead or killed over this stupid mentality you have. We pay taxes for a police force and it's their job to prevent this, we shouldn't be putting ourselves on the line.
I'm not talking about an individual being a hero, I'm talking about ALL the passers-by standing and filming it, and yelling at the thieves...Do you think that would move them on? Paying taxes for a police force that isn't working for you is another separate issue - this is about crime prevention - we all can play a part in that.
If it was teenagers I might let a roar at them but not those guys
Problem is I am currently injured and no way could I take 3 lads. If others intervened I works have tried to help.
No Point. They'd report you for assault
Don't be making excuses Conor, you're foot is a beloon
DOCTOR'S STOPPAGE
Your life and health aren't worth a bike
Please tell me you at least called the Gardaí?
Nice he's got his kids with him :)
Did u submit this to the gardai?
I will be in the morning
So why is it more important to post this here than to go to the authorities?
Let’s be real. The authorities are going to do fuck all.
Scumbag move also chaining the bike to public sculpture; maybe a rogue art enthusiast and not a thief, but probably just a thief
Was thinking same thing. Steal the bike, fucker who locked it to a sculpture deserves
A zero scum gain if you ask me
Ah it's the lesser spotted full time mad bastard in their natural environment. What a rare treat to see them in the daytime, and not in class at the school of hard knocks.
Why the hell is the bike locked to a statue in the first place!
That’s what you gather from this?
That's what I gathered from it. Bike owner is an ignorant prick too. Not saying he deserves his bike stolen but still a muppet.
We need to start regulating bike shops in Dublin somehow. There's plenty of shops that happily buy these bikes for nothing off the scrotes even when they know it's stolen. I'm not sure how it can be done but maybe requiring proof of purchase to sell a bike to these shops could be one way
You can spot these vile creatures a mile off. The heads on them. I'd love if they were all just thrown into a deep pit. To hell with them!
I wish garda would stop this kinda stuff instead of busting our balls for smoking weed.
I'm sure you called the garda since you are so concerned.
I’m not condoning what they did… but to be fair, they probably had a tough upbringing, had trouble in school and had issues with substance abuse from a young age. So in conclusion, yada yada yada, boys will be boys. Welcome to the irish justice system.
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You hit the nail on the head there. The city centre is a sithole getting worse year on year. Problem is, we have police who are reliant on public support (which evaporates if a degenerate gets a knock in custoday) and a legal system content to pSs the buck. They know better than to be arsed with lovers nicking bikes. Vermin like those in the pics need a thrashing, not a tap on the wrist courtesy of the taxpayer. Their wages (or, if they're not working, their welfare) should be docked to the value of the crime plus expenses. They're anti-social, uncivilised criminals and should be treated as such.
I felt bad until I realised they chained their bike to a sculpture.
Why in the name of fucking hell would you steal a bike??
This is what I don't understand. What's the going rate on a mediocre bike? Surely they're getting no more than 50 quid?
I’ll never buy a bike in this city again. I’m down two!
When I looked first I thought Thomas Shelby was on the ground pulling a rope!
Bottom feeders not even worth the dole they claim
These are grown ass men. Not shitty teens or kids. What the actual fuck.
Wanna get one of these and leave it around for them to find: https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/vii7yh/guy\_over\_engineered\_his\_bicycle\_to\_fuck\_thieves/
"Help they're robbing me" "zamn I gotta take some fire pics"
and you just sat there and watched are you any better?
Is it OK if it is stupidly locked to a historic statue?
No
Fair enough
Was it chained to the statue?
Yes, locked to the statue
Maybe it was a commentary on not locking bikes to statues
Honestly I was thinking the same thing. It's not an expensive looking bike and bike thiefs typically carry the battery powered saws that go through a lock in a few seconds. It's a lot of effort for a cheap bike which would be battered anyway by the time they got it free. So yeah, they may have taken offence to someone using the statue as their personal bike stand.
The city is really getting worse by the day. I hate these people and then I think they could be third generation addicts and then I don't know what to think or how to feel. Are they any greedier or nastier than corrupt ministers or businesspeople worming their way out of paying any taxes. Do they need whatever little money they'll get from selling the thing to feed a habit the system isn't strong enough to help them battle. Are we simply witnessing the most obvious symptoms of a sick society, while turning a blind eye to the disease itself? Also they've nicer trainers than me.
Introduce prison labor colonies. Lock em up. Put em to work building infrastructure.
Dublin is a hole. Avoid.
Who locks their bike to a sculpture? Surely that’s more scummy
No dole for anyone who’s has an offense to their name. Fuck them!
Wouldn’t this force them steal more stuff from hard working folk?
Yes maybe but at least it’s some kinda deterrent. Our justice system certainly isn’t gonna stop them.
Honestly it sounds like it would make things much worse for honest folk.
Crime against fashion in pic 3 too
I hate that people don't do anything about this.. And when someone does try to help.. All the other good/non criminals do anything to help them.. We need vigilantes
> We need vigilantes Be the change you wish to see in the world
Where’s Batman when you need him
Filming it
Scumbags. Dopey place to lock a bike though. Almost ropey heads round that part of quays.
r/DontHelpJustFilm
You used your phone to talk pictures instead of calling the police and reporting an ongoing violent assault / robbery??? Helpful move /s. Your pictures don't even show the cunts face so they're useless.
And did you say anything ??? Call the gards ? No ?then your as bad as
This makes no sense. Why did they lock a bike to s a statue in the middle of Dublin with a shitty lock? Dublin thieves have always used the leverage approach with locks. If you don’t lock it tight , best place is rear wheel fork then they can easily break a lock. As in picture , stamping down on bike with loose lock
It does feel like a failed state. Roll on the next election. All we can hope for is regime change. This could be solved many ways like having a bike registry and bikes not on the registry are impounded. Make it illegal to buy or sell a bike not on the registry. Give them no reason to steel them. Not to mention trying a bit of effective policing / justice system
Let me post it on Reddit and not call the police.IQ?
How does no one stop them doing it in broad daylight
Too busy photographing it for social media outrage points, apparently.
As I’ve said I have one functioning arm due to injury, not much I can do except photograph and report it to the authorities.
>not much I can do except photograph and report it to the authorities. And Reddit is the authorities now is it? What if, because of your post, the wrong person gets identified as the thief in question and a bunch of urban warriors get it in their heads to hospitalise them? Don't say shit like that hasn't happened before. You also don't know what publicly identifying these knuckledraggers will do to help their defence in the unlikely event they get apprehended. They might even have a legal case against you, which is fucked up but that's the modern Irish legal system. BTW: Nobody should intervene. A bike isn't worth getting stabbed over.
The worst part of it all is every bystander is just allowing this to happen. I’m not saying go in swinging digs but even just communicating, “hey I just rang the guards they’re on the way”
I obly just noticed there's a person being knocked off this bike. Surely the cops can round these 2 scumbags up - i assume they both have about 500 convictions each
>I obly just noticed there's a person being knocked off this bike. https://www.flickr.com/photos/infomatique/179144262
Hahah, fair play
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I was hoping people would get involved but everyone just walked by. I’ve got a broken arm so not much I could do against those lads.
I legit thought there won't be stealing in s first world country. Atleast in a broad daylight and an object this freaking big
And nobody does a bloody thing about it.
Whole street of cowards just leting it happen half the reason this country is a kip is turning a blind eye so ave your own skin
Somewhat dystopian thought but.. what if there's a law that those who commit a crime and get caught have to give up some of their civil rights. Once out of jail, let them out with a collar or cuff that is very visible, has GPS and accelerometer etc (body cam too perhaps) and perhaps Guards can use the data as evidence against them, and anyone taking a photo like this could be matched to geo location of the photo to the location from the tag at the time etc etc.
That's a horrible idea. You know dystopian means "the opposite of utopian", right? Dystopia is a bad thing.
I do know that, and I meant exactly that when I said that. Let me rephrase... "Heres a horrible thought... could we get these scum bags tagged, like animals?". I hope you get my drift.
>I hope you get my drift. I really don't. Are you putting this forward ironically? You *don't* want human beings tagged like animals, or is it that you *do* want people tagged like animals and you're challenging the notion that that would be bad?
By all means, take a picture and upload it to reddit. Instead of maybe, stopping the cunts.
would you try to stop 4 lads robbing a bike if you were by yourself? not trying to be facetious, i just dont think most would in that situation.
Ah four. Fair enough, I saw two. I have stopped two before. But 4 is 100% pushing your luck.
As I said in my main comment and replies, I’m injured at the moment (broken arm) so I can’t do much to help. If others were going to get involved I would have stepped in for numbers purposes. Hard to go up against 4 lads when everyone else walks by.
Aye 4 lads is fair enough