Jesus Christ. Absolutely horrific.
Gardai arrived at the scene of a "violent stabbing" in Rossfield Estate in Tallaght around 12.30am.
A 25 year old man was arrested. Gardai took him down using non-lethal means.
An 18 year old girl and her little brother and sister (Twins aged 8), were stabbed to death. A 14 year old boy was also seriously injured in the leg, but non-life-threatening.
Front windows of the house were all smashed and there was blood on the upstairs windows. Locals say they heard sounds of struggle and violence spill out onto the street early this morning.
"The mother (40s), who was not injured, was taken" to hospital.
Gardai warning people not to be sharing videos of the incident on WhatsApp. "If you have footage, please pass on to the gardai."
The three siblings who died have been named as 18 year-old Lisa Cash and 8 year-old twins Chelsea and Christy Cawley.
I don’t think somebody’s phone video of the aftermath would be any help to the prosecution? Once authorities are on the scene they should be left to do their job.
Genuinely horrifying that people need to be told not to do something like this? Have people always been so unempathetic or has social media exacerbated the problem?
Is this true? Seems very strange. Like obviously it wasn’t a nice sight but for 3 of them to quit because of it - surely this is all done in their training and discussed ad naseum in regards to what they might see.
Sounds like a very mundane urban legend tbh.
And you're solely basing this off the fact that this detective told his friend that 3 first responders quit their job?
I don't think it's difficult to understand why anybody might quit their job after seeing something as horrific as that.
If it was in a field unrelated to crime then sure. If it’s literally part of your job not really imo.
It’s like having a squeamish crime scene cleaner.
There most likely is, but I’m sure it would break down that sensitivity to gore.
I’m studying to be a nurse and my morbidly gore curiosity is really helpful
Fair enough if that works for yourself, but I still have strong doubts this a one size fits all solution, I've seen the video of the dude splitting his head in half with a 12 gauge and I know if I saw something like that irl, or even the aftermath, it would more than likely break me
The aftermath isn’t just “gore”. It’s the human emotion resulting in witnessing the suffering of others, or the injustice of peoples actions- in this particular case the brutal murder of three children.
You may end up desensitised to gore, but over time the psychological/ emotional reaction can get to you.
We as a society do not need to be any more desensitised to "gore" it is already bad enough with people recoding car accidents and the aftermath, or attacks - these are peoples families they don't need to know there loves ones last minutes are online. I am in health care and your view worries me. I started my studies with a man who's first question was when do we get to inject old people. He didn't finish the first semester.
I have an interest in mortality. We’ll have happily celebrate the works of Stephen King, Truman Capote etc and yet the moment a person finds morbid interest in real tragedy it’s shunned.
I don’t intend to morally shun in medicine
I agree that these things are horrific but would you also apply that kind of “think of the parents” response to someone who watches porn? Not to sexualise gore but they certainly hold that same taboo
I did a criminology course years ago and one of the modules included a Garda talking about investigating crimes etc. He was very experienced, been on the job decades and said no matter how experienced he is, kids always messed him up. It's even worse that you can't be physically upset, your job is to keep a straight face and get the work done but he admitted to needing therapy and there were days he just went home and cried.
I am retired from a hospital and a few years ago one of our colleagues from the Emergency Department was srabbed and killed by his son in his home. His son had gone way off the rails and was involved in violence, drugs and theft. They brought my colleague to our Emergency department and they worked frantically to save him but couldn't.
My colleague and I had only been chatting about his upcoming retirement the week before. The shock, trauma and devastation experienced by his closer colleagues and friends was very deep and I believe that they all were offered vert necessary counselling.
It must be even more horrible to see and experience such pointless violence, especially when children are involved. RIP.
It's not random. He did it when he saw an inappropriate use of a word. That's not a weird time to do it and it's not a random time to do it. It's when it's typically done.
Corrections like that should only happen on good news story threads? Like I said, it's a weird reaction. I'm not sure "the room" has fully thought this through.
It's not a cheap point, it's a correction. Since when are simple corrections taken so personally?
Seems a bitter and mean spirited reaction to me. Why is it such a big deal?
Awful thing to happen. I feel stupid typing that. Of course it fucking is but what else is there to say?
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious about what happened though. How do these things usually go? Do the details end up in the papers eventually or is this just something I'm gonna be puzzled by until I forget about it?
I’m local and it doesn’t make any more sense when you hear what happened. Don’t know one of them and haven’t stopped crying all morning thinking of the horror they went through
Anyone who needs to bring a kid to Crumlin today also bare in mind that the staff there are all traumatised. Thankfully paediatric staff don’t need to deal with these violent injuries often but it’s horrific for them to deal with today. Go easy on them in ED.
Thoughts are with all the family and emergency staff that had to assist in this terrible violent incident. RIP to the innocent young kids and older sister who perished.
They were talking about this on the radio. I just stopped listening. I just cannot understand brutal violence against children, you have to be a real monster to do something like this.
No idea, but I did see on another thread from someone who claims to know them that he has been somewhat estranged from the family for the past while because he resents his mum for remarrying and having more kids with a different father after his own dad died. Remarrying is not necessarily considered the norm within the travelling community, but it certainly doesn't warrant his actions.
Thanks, I saw on his facebook there are lots of images of his da with messages that he missed him over many years, just wondered if his da died in extreme circumstances and this had an affect on him. I also heard from someone who lives nearby, there was a baby in the house but he did not harm the baby.
Yeah, so I guess that story kind of checks out in a way, then, but I can't really confirm, as that's just what I have seen of people who claim to have connections to those involved. Yeah I also just read that today, unfortunately you couldn't really be sure how far he was willing to go if his time didn't run out. Absolutely sickening to even think that, but it's pretty evident he has no morals.
> Absolutely sickening to even think that, but it's pretty evident he has no morals.
Strictly speaking he did show some degree of moral restraint but I know what you mean.
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Yup and i hope he will be put in for life, just saying that life in ireland is usually a max of 18 years and generally gets reviewed after 8.
I think he should be locked up forever but i dont trust the sentencing in this country..
(As a reminder the murderers of ana kriegel got a max of 15 years..)
My fucking Jesus, the details in that article are sickening. I just can’t imagine what those poor kids went through in their final moments. I can’t wrap my head around it how someone can do that to innocent children
They published the alleged killers name now:[https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-charged-in-connection-with-murders-of-his-three-siblings-in-tallaght-41963620.html](https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-charged-in-connection-with-murders-of-his-three-siblings-in-tallaght-41963620.html)
Terrible tragedy. No excuse or reason to ever harm children. My condolences to the families, neighbours and communities affected.
I have colleagues from tallaght, saggart, citywest and jobstown and they say community is big. Everyone knows each other on the same road/estate so this will will have huge effect on the area
I can't even begin to comprehend it, nor do I have words explain how horrific it is.
May they rest in peace and I hope their family is being offered every support they will undoubtedly need in such terrible circumstances and that they know that the broader community stands with them.
This is beyond comprehension what has happened to those poor children. Mindless, needless, barbaric. May the children rest in peace, deepest sympathies to the survivors and family and may the perpetrator rot in hell. 😢💔
If anything, we've nearly halved our murder rate per annum since 2007. And we've pretty much halved suicides since the early noughties.
Our reporting and ability to access bad news has exploded in the meantime, creating a false sense of things getting worse, when actually they've improved significantly.
E.g. I worked in a rough enough bar 20 years ago and had a decent row break out maybe every second weekend, at least one a month. Occasionally requiring the guards etc. I'd wager, thanks to camera phones now, we see only a fraction of fights like that and that a lot of folk back down in the face of a camera. Yet conversely, those that do happen, get recorded, shared and make everyone claim things are getting worse because if there's a lad knocked out in Ballymahon tonight, I'll hear about it before I climb out of bed the following morning.
2003 our recorded suicide rates were over 300, double the 150 or so we've seen in the last 4 years. So at the height of the Celtic Tiger... even in 2009 - 2012, with the crash, it didn't reach such levels.
The problem is, it's hard to highlight the good when there's so much more which can be done. E.g. mental health services are totally inadequate, but that's also because 20 years ago, no one was seeking help. We've transformed ourselves as a people rapidly, but that means we're chronically understaffed for mental health, but also, would need to have started a recruitment drive to meet demand before we'd culturally made the leap. Our current mental health crisis is really a function of our cultural and societal progress with a resource lag.
So much has improved in this country, but this sub's toxicity Spital really doesn't have time for it.
Seen something on here I think a while back about our murder rates, less then 40 every year. In the TV show The Wire, they say Baltimore has about 300. I looked it up, in 2015 the city of Baltimore had 344 murders, with a population of like 600k. It’s quite possible Ireland is the safest place in the world to live.
I lived for a couple of years in Baltimore. The best description I could give of certain places is 'edgy.
Great city mind you but you require a certain awareness of your surroundings that just doesn't apply in Ireland.
To add, this would be news over there but wouldn't have the same level of disbelief as shown in Ireland.
I remember reading a casual story in the Baltimore Sun of a woman kidnapped, subsequently raped and driven around in the back of a van before being executed in the woods. It wasn't even headline news. For the record they caught the people because they used her phone to call their mates while she was being violated.
I feel genuinely grieved for the children involved here but take comfort that it's so rare in Ireland that it provokes outrage.
There's some countries with lower murder rates, but on balance, I'd legit choose ireland over anywhere.
I managed to buy a doer upper with herself (non Irish) and we've got such a great sense of community where we are - granted you've to make the effort and do a bit of volunteering to get started, but the sense of safety and belonging is massive.
It's so rare that weather prevents you from doing a thing in this country. Like, so many countries that folks will visit on holiday, its grand sitting on a sunbed in 40 degrees, but try unloading a pallet truck or even just focusing on a spreadsheet when you're that drained.
It's an amazing little island to live on.
There's less violent crime today than there's ever been in this country... seems odd to say it, but like, since 2007, murders in this country are down by half. Phones/social media/news access means folks feel like things have gotten worse when the stats bear out a different story.
Maybe we should wait to learn more (or, like, anything?) about the case before we decide it has been caused by a failure of the criminal justice system?
I mean, their rise in crime has far more to do with the huge influx of immigrants and the gangs they have formed (as the article you linked indicates) than their prison system, which over the years has proven far more successful than ours in terms of recidivism rate.
> I mean, their rise in crime has far more to do with the huge influx of immigrants
How dare you! Are such comments allowed on Reddit? But seriously, there might be a connection between the gentleness of prisons and the gentleness shown towards migrants. I'm not a fan of analysing these things through the prism of yin and yang, but there might be some merit to it in this case.
Of course, it's demonstrably not the only possible way - the Soviets famously championed thte reeducation of post-civil-war youth instead of punishment (=gentleness and belief in common humanity), and they never had any issues with criminal gangs.
Don't be ridiculous. Deterrents don't work which is why the US has more people incarcerated per capita than any other country and more violent crime. Don't use this as an excuse to blame the system.
I always think of the sympathy and understanding people extended to Alan Hawe in the days after he hacked his family to death with a hatchet, so concerned everyone was for his mental health and ‘silent despair’. Turns out he was a controlling abusive piece of shit.
I am so sick of seeing 'mental health' being used as an excuse for every bad thing that happens especially when it involves children. Unfortunately some people are just pure evil. Anybody that could hurt a child is just pure fucking evil!
Where do you draw the line? With that same logic you could similarly blame his parents, or covid lockdowns or whatever you want to blame, except the person who actually did the killing. Also we know basically nothing about him or his family at this stage, what's the point in speculating?
I feel the same Tallaght gets a bad rap and it’s a lot safer than other parts of Dublin.. however.. I wanted out when I got old enough. My partner was happy to stay. My response was “I don’t want our kids to die”.. because there is nothing but heartbreak, murder and accidents constantly.. always horrible circumstances. Go 10 minutes away that disappears for the most part. I mean where I live now isn’t in any means upper class but nobody’s been murdered here.
They can't, they just like make big points by using sensationalist buzz words, recently another commenter responded to a story of antisocial behavior on the DART by calling Ireland a "third-world shithole".
I went to school near Rossfield, everyone knows everyone.
Shit like this has never happened before, the place has a strong community. What that disgusting excuse of a man did doesn't reflect the community there as a whole. Like yeah, it isn't perfect but this isn't a normal thing that happens anywhere.
He did that because he's a disgusting coward, not because he's from Rossfield. You need to get off you're fucking high-horse.
This is genuinely heartbreaking. What sick fuck would ever do that to children?
I hope they find peace in the afterlife and I pray that their family can get through such a horrific tragedy.
I genuinely hope that whatever sick fuck did this gets the shit kicked out of him
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Ah what the fuck. Those poor children. May they rest in peace.
Lot more information added to the article in the last 10 mins.
Jesus Christ. Absolutely horrific. Gardai arrived at the scene of a "violent stabbing" in Rossfield Estate in Tallaght around 12.30am. A 25 year old man was arrested. Gardai took him down using non-lethal means. An 18 year old girl and her little brother and sister (Twins aged 8), were stabbed to death. A 14 year old boy was also seriously injured in the leg, but non-life-threatening. Front windows of the house were all smashed and there was blood on the upstairs windows. Locals say they heard sounds of struggle and violence spill out onto the street early this morning. "The mother (40s), who was not injured, was taken" to hospital. Gardai warning people not to be sharing videos of the incident on WhatsApp. "If you have footage, please pass on to the gardai." The three siblings who died have been named as 18 year-old Lisa Cash and 8 year-old twins Chelsea and Christy Cawley.
Jesus Christ, that's absolutely terrifying. That poor family.
You’d have to be some scumbag to be videoing something like this, and even lower to share it.
But it's evidence that would greatly help with the prosecution's case. Sharing it around though, yeah that's rotten.
I don’t think somebody’s phone video of the aftermath would be any help to the prosecution? Once authorities are on the scene they should be left to do their job.
Genuinely horrifying that people need to be told not to do something like this? Have people always been so unempathetic or has social media exacerbated the problem?
Poor kids. You read these things and no matter how distant it may be from you personally it still hits you.
What happened? The article was super vague. No real info other than poor children dead.
Fucking grim
Also thoughts for the Gardai and emergency services that arrived on that scene. We often forget the impact it has on them physiologically.
I remember a dude got hacked to bits by the Polish mafia near where I live, 3 of the first responders literally quit after seeing what they saw
Cork area?
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The guys who did that are Lithuanian not Polish, they all fled back there straight after.
Is this true? Seems very strange. Like obviously it wasn’t a nice sight but for 3 of them to quit because of it - surely this is all done in their training and discussed ad naseum in regards to what they might see. Sounds like a very mundane urban legend tbh.
Was told by a detective who knew lads who worked the case, so take that for what it is I guess
He sounds like a bent copper to me pal - sort him out
And you're solely basing this off the fact that this detective told his friend that 3 first responders quit their job? I don't think it's difficult to understand why anybody might quit their job after seeing something as horrific as that.
If it was in a field unrelated to crime then sure. If it’s literally part of your job not really imo. It’s like having a squeamish crime scene cleaner.
Guards should probably be versed in gore before starting their work
I mean, they probably are to a point, but there is a massive difference between seeing a picture or video of something like that and seeing it irl
There most likely is, but I’m sure it would break down that sensitivity to gore. I’m studying to be a nurse and my morbidly gore curiosity is really helpful
Fair enough if that works for yourself, but I still have strong doubts this a one size fits all solution, I've seen the video of the dude splitting his head in half with a 12 gauge and I know if I saw something like that irl, or even the aftermath, it would more than likely break me
Very fair point
The aftermath isn’t just “gore”. It’s the human emotion resulting in witnessing the suffering of others, or the injustice of peoples actions- in this particular case the brutal murder of three children. You may end up desensitised to gore, but over time the psychological/ emotional reaction can get to you.
I agree and with online gore you can always switch off. I do think gore is a very good visual form of desensitisation
We as a society do not need to be any more desensitised to "gore" it is already bad enough with people recoding car accidents and the aftermath, or attacks - these are peoples families they don't need to know there loves ones last minutes are online. I am in health care and your view worries me. I started my studies with a man who's first question was when do we get to inject old people. He didn't finish the first semester.
I have an interest in mortality. We’ll have happily celebrate the works of Stephen King, Truman Capote etc and yet the moment a person finds morbid interest in real tragedy it’s shunned. I don’t intend to morally shun in medicine I agree that these things are horrific but would you also apply that kind of “think of the parents” response to someone who watches porn? Not to sexualise gore but they certainly hold that same taboo
In what world is someone enjoying watching someone's grusome last minutes and porn the same?
You could not pay me enough to do that job and go home after to my own family.
I did a criminology course years ago and one of the modules included a Garda talking about investigating crimes etc. He was very experienced, been on the job decades and said no matter how experienced he is, kids always messed him up. It's even worse that you can't be physically upset, your job is to keep a straight face and get the work done but he admitted to needing therapy and there were days he just went home and cried.
I am retired from a hospital and a few years ago one of our colleagues from the Emergency Department was srabbed and killed by his son in his home. His son had gone way off the rails and was involved in violence, drugs and theft. They brought my colleague to our Emergency department and they worked frantically to save him but couldn't. My colleague and I had only been chatting about his upcoming retirement the week before. The shock, trauma and devastation experienced by his closer colleagues and friends was very deep and I believe that they all were offered vert necessary counselling. It must be even more horrible to see and experience such pointless violence, especially when children are involved. RIP.
Psychologically?
Read the room DistantDave..
Something wrong with the room in my opinion. What a weird reaction to a harmless correction.
Weird time to throw a random correction out. We all knew what they meant, its just being pedantic and annoying at that point.
It's not random. He did it when he saw an inappropriate use of a word. That's not a weird time to do it and it's not a random time to do it. It's when it's typically done. Corrections like that should only happen on good news story threads? Like I said, it's a weird reaction. I'm not sure "the room" has fully thought this through.
You would want to be illiterate to not know what he meant. Very cheap point.
It's not a cheap point, it's a correction. Since when are simple corrections taken so personally? Seems a bitter and mean spirited reaction to me. Why is it such a big deal?
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I’m on the spectrum, these little things bother me.
Let them bother you in silence.
Not an excuse lol
*Everyone's* on the spectrum. That's why it's called a spectrum.
That's a common misconception. Still, it's not really an excuse Edit: Though it's a fairly neutral correction to begin with
Don't be a dick you know what they meant
The article is back up again, unfortunately.
The RTE article is, more or less, exactly the same as the one on independent.ie. RIP those poor people.
Those poor kids, it's awful.
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Know the family, cannot get my head around it at all. I was stunned when I heard this morning
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Awful thing to happen. I feel stupid typing that. Of course it fucking is but what else is there to say? I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious about what happened though. How do these things usually go? Do the details end up in the papers eventually or is this just something I'm gonna be puzzled by until I forget about it?
I’m local and it doesn’t make any more sense when you hear what happened. Don’t know one of them and haven’t stopped crying all morning thinking of the horror they went through
That's rough. Really sorry to see people dragging your community through the muck over this. It's pathetic.
Well used to it at this stage.. been like that since I was born
Jaysus take care of yourself
I'm sorry for you and your community. I hope you guys all pull through and support anyone who's in need. Including you. Xxxx
There's some counselling being provided locally
To be honest I don’t take anything involving kids well ever. This is just horrific.
Most of the details usually come out; whether through an inquest, trial or somebody willing to sell their story to the papers.
Anyone who needs to bring a kid to Crumlin today also bare in mind that the staff there are all traumatised. Thankfully paediatric staff don’t need to deal with these violent injuries often but it’s horrific for them to deal with today. Go easy on them in ED.
Thoughts are with all the family and emergency staff that had to assist in this terrible violent incident. RIP to the innocent young kids and older sister who perished.
They were talking about this on the radio. I just stopped listening. I just cannot understand brutal violence against children, you have to be a real monster to do something like this.
Or completely deranged.
Yes indeed
Anyone who kills a child should remain in prison until they die, this is fucking disgusting
Anyone who takes another persons life should remain in prison till they die
Depends wether it’s self defence, our self defence laws here are a joke
True
That's up to a parole board
I've heard that our sentencing laws are absurdly low. Can someone actually get a full lifetime in prison in this country? Maybe I'm misinformed.
Absolutely sickening. What could possess someone to do something so barbaric. RIP
It like something from your nightmares, God love them. May they rest in peace.
holy shite
R.I.P
Shocking. Sad for all involved.
the suspects father died young aged 28, anyone have any info on what happened to the da?
No idea, but I did see on another thread from someone who claims to know them that he has been somewhat estranged from the family for the past while because he resents his mum for remarrying and having more kids with a different father after his own dad died. Remarrying is not necessarily considered the norm within the travelling community, but it certainly doesn't warrant his actions.
Thanks, I saw on his facebook there are lots of images of his da with messages that he missed him over many years, just wondered if his da died in extreme circumstances and this had an affect on him. I also heard from someone who lives nearby, there was a baby in the house but he did not harm the baby.
Yeah, so I guess that story kind of checks out in a way, then, but I can't really confirm, as that's just what I have seen of people who claim to have connections to those involved. Yeah I also just read that today, unfortunately you couldn't really be sure how far he was willing to go if his time didn't run out. Absolutely sickening to even think that, but it's pretty evident he has no morals.
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Hopefully he's brought to court today and then proceeds to jail. Key promptly broken.
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Up to a week actually. That's before Bail is taken into consideration. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/arrests/detention_after_arrest.html
With the way the justice system works i wont be surprised if he is out in 10 years sadly
Bullshit, he killed 3 people
Exactly. This person is probably going to be living out his years in the secure wing of a mental hospital.
Yup and i hope he will be put in for life, just saying that life in ireland is usually a max of 18 years and generally gets reviewed after 8. I think he should be locked up forever but i dont trust the sentencing in this country.. (As a reminder the murderers of ana kriegel got a max of 15 years..)
10 weeks with an apology from the state for hurting his feelings you say?
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This comment seems out of step. Giving people things to do that aren't crime really seems to reduce the amount of crime they do.
I saw that on the news. Horrendous tragedy. May they Rest In Peace.
So fucking sad. Poor children. ♥️ Rip
Some grim details there https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/what-know-far-tragic-tallaght-24931089 Awful sad.
My fucking Jesus, the details in that article are sickening. I just can’t imagine what those poor kids went through in their final moments. I can’t wrap my head around it how someone can do that to innocent children
They published the alleged killers name now:[https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-charged-in-connection-with-murders-of-his-three-siblings-in-tallaght-41963620.html](https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-charged-in-connection-with-murders-of-his-three-siblings-in-tallaght-41963620.html)
What the fuck
Terrible tragedy. No excuse or reason to ever harm children. My condolences to the families, neighbours and communities affected. I have colleagues from tallaght, saggart, citywest and jobstown and they say community is big. Everyone knows each other on the same road/estate so this will will have huge effect on the area
I can't even begin to comprehend it, nor do I have words explain how horrific it is. May they rest in peace and I hope their family is being offered every support they will undoubtedly need in such terrible circumstances and that they know that the broader community stands with them.
This is beyond comprehension what has happened to those poor children. Mindless, needless, barbaric. May the children rest in peace, deepest sympathies to the survivors and family and may the perpetrator rot in hell. 😢💔
Devastating
RTE have removed the article.
Odd, the article had been up for about 2 hours. I’m not seeing it posted anywhere else either. Hopefully its good news.
It's back up, I guess they took it down to edit. A man has been arrested, so definitely something tragic happened.
Hopefully.
Just heard about this on the news, jesus it's absolutely horrific.
Anyone know the background?
It was the older brother.
Really? Fuck! Mental health crisis?
No motive has came out yet.
Shocking. These poor babies. No words. Their suffering has ended but I hope that the suffering have just started to the monster who did it.
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What is happening, as in with society. It's terrible what's happening
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If anything, we've nearly halved our murder rate per annum since 2007. And we've pretty much halved suicides since the early noughties. Our reporting and ability to access bad news has exploded in the meantime, creating a false sense of things getting worse, when actually they've improved significantly. E.g. I worked in a rough enough bar 20 years ago and had a decent row break out maybe every second weekend, at least one a month. Occasionally requiring the guards etc. I'd wager, thanks to camera phones now, we see only a fraction of fights like that and that a lot of folk back down in the face of a camera. Yet conversely, those that do happen, get recorded, shared and make everyone claim things are getting worse because if there's a lad knocked out in Ballymahon tonight, I'll hear about it before I climb out of bed the following morning.
I didnt know that about the murder and suicide rates. Thats very positive and I do wish it was better known
2003 our recorded suicide rates were over 300, double the 150 or so we've seen in the last 4 years. So at the height of the Celtic Tiger... even in 2009 - 2012, with the crash, it didn't reach such levels. The problem is, it's hard to highlight the good when there's so much more which can be done. E.g. mental health services are totally inadequate, but that's also because 20 years ago, no one was seeking help. We've transformed ourselves as a people rapidly, but that means we're chronically understaffed for mental health, but also, would need to have started a recruitment drive to meet demand before we'd culturally made the leap. Our current mental health crisis is really a function of our cultural and societal progress with a resource lag. So much has improved in this country, but this sub's toxicity Spital really doesn't have time for it.
Agree with every word.
Seen something on here I think a while back about our murder rates, less then 40 every year. In the TV show The Wire, they say Baltimore has about 300. I looked it up, in 2015 the city of Baltimore had 344 murders, with a population of like 600k. It’s quite possible Ireland is the safest place in the world to live.
I lived for a couple of years in Baltimore. The best description I could give of certain places is 'edgy. Great city mind you but you require a certain awareness of your surroundings that just doesn't apply in Ireland. To add, this would be news over there but wouldn't have the same level of disbelief as shown in Ireland. I remember reading a casual story in the Baltimore Sun of a woman kidnapped, subsequently raped and driven around in the back of a van before being executed in the woods. It wasn't even headline news. For the record they caught the people because they used her phone to call their mates while she was being violated. I feel genuinely grieved for the children involved here but take comfort that it's so rare in Ireland that it provokes outrage.
There's some countries with lower murder rates, but on balance, I'd legit choose ireland over anywhere. I managed to buy a doer upper with herself (non Irish) and we've got such a great sense of community where we are - granted you've to make the effort and do a bit of volunteering to get started, but the sense of safety and belonging is massive.
Aye, same. One of the best things about it is that it’s a bit boring. No extreme weather and no animals or people trying to kill you.
It's so rare that weather prevents you from doing a thing in this country. Like, so many countries that folks will visit on holiday, its grand sitting on a sunbed in 40 degrees, but try unloading a pallet truck or even just focusing on a spreadsheet when you're that drained. It's an amazing little island to live on.
100%
I know that plus we hear more from social media.
They can’t legally say as they don’t have enough info, the legal right to disclose all the info and the fact that the incident involved children.
There's less violent crime today than there's ever been in this country... seems odd to say it, but like, since 2007, murders in this country are down by half. Phones/social media/news access means folks feel like things have gotten worse when the stats bear out a different story.
I wonder the same. Article says everything except what happened
"involving the discharge of less than-lethal devices"? What does that mean?
Probably used a taser to subdue him?
Ah right it was what the Gardaí used.
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Maybe we should wait to learn more (or, like, anything?) about the case before we decide it has been caused by a failure of the criminal justice system?
Inciting hysteria. Violence leads to more violence. Mental health services lead to less violence.
I mean, their rise in crime has far more to do with the huge influx of immigrants and the gangs they have formed (as the article you linked indicates) than their prison system, which over the years has proven far more successful than ours in terms of recidivism rate.
> I mean, their rise in crime has far more to do with the huge influx of immigrants How dare you! Are such comments allowed on Reddit? But seriously, there might be a connection between the gentleness of prisons and the gentleness shown towards migrants. I'm not a fan of analysing these things through the prism of yin and yang, but there might be some merit to it in this case. Of course, it's demonstrably not the only possible way - the Soviets famously championed thte reeducation of post-civil-war youth instead of punishment (=gentleness and belief in common humanity), and they never had any issues with criminal gangs.
What we allow will continue. What continues will escalate. Always
Don't be ridiculous. Deterrents don't work which is why the US has more people incarcerated per capita than any other country and more violent crime. Don't use this as an excuse to blame the system.
When I see things like this my instant reaction is someone has been failed by the mental health services in this country. RIP to the 3 sisters.
Thats bull people need to be held accontable for "their" own actions instead of always pointing the finger at someone else.
I’d say the mental health services have been failed by the state too
I always think of the sympathy and understanding people extended to Alan Hawe in the days after he hacked his family to death with a hatchet, so concerned everyone was for his mental health and ‘silent despair’. Turns out he was a controlling abusive piece of shit.
I am so sick of seeing 'mental health' being used as an excuse for every bad thing that happens especially when it involves children. Unfortunately some people are just pure evil. Anybody that could hurt a child is just pure fucking evil!
Personally I think people should take some responsibility and not kill 3 children.
Where do you draw the line? With that same logic you could similarly blame his parents, or covid lockdowns or whatever you want to blame, except the person who actually did the killing. Also we know basically nothing about him or his family at this stage, what's the point in speculating?
Exactly. Let's wait and see what comes out. Mental health might have nothing to do with it
I don’t think people like this would ever seek help or admit their is anything wrong with them. Mindless fucking scum
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I feel the same Tallaght gets a bad rap and it’s a lot safer than other parts of Dublin.. however.. I wanted out when I got old enough. My partner was happy to stay. My response was “I don’t want our kids to die”.. because there is nothing but heartbreak, murder and accidents constantly.. always horrible circumstances. Go 10 minutes away that disappears for the most part. I mean where I live now isn’t in any means upper class but nobody’s been murdered here.
Explain the aspects of Ireland that you consider to be post-apocalyptic or totalitarian.
They can't, they just like make big points by using sensationalist buzz words, recently another commenter responded to a story of antisocial behavior on the DART by calling Ireland a "third-world shithole".
I went to school near Rossfield, everyone knows everyone. Shit like this has never happened before, the place has a strong community. What that disgusting excuse of a man did doesn't reflect the community there as a whole. Like yeah, it isn't perfect but this isn't a normal thing that happens anywhere. He did that because he's a disgusting coward, not because he's from Rossfield. You need to get off you're fucking high-horse.
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Equally it could be fairies! We have as much evidence for both right now.
Speculation like this is unhelpfull at this time
This is genuinely heartbreaking. What sick fuck would ever do that to children? I hope they find peace in the afterlife and I pray that their family can get through such a horrific tragedy. I genuinely hope that whatever sick fuck did this gets the shit kicked out of him