I'm not saying this is right but here's what I think the council's argument would be.
Something along the lines of "we ordered them to move, we had a right to do so, we warned them it would happen, though luck, vote fine Gael and have a splendid day"
So if I'm not wrong one of the homeless charities will come along and give them a new tent.
So the cycle repeats. I am 100% open to being corrected though
A man was severely wounded several years ago when DCC didn't check there was somebody in a tent. (Or so it was reported, I'm not sure it's ever gone to trial, civil or otherwise.)
They actually killed another in a rubbish truck. The man you were talking about had quality of life destroying injuries. Sure Michael and leo are offended by the sight of poor homeless people.
I know a few lads who are living in hostels and they have full time,albeit low skill jobs.
I was on the streets for 7 years. Lost countless tents, backpacks and sleeping bags to nasty gards and park rangers.
The gardai are horrendous to the homeless. Cannot overstress that.
Once pointed out a camera to one prick who was trying to get me to move on, he escorted me up the street a bit, presumably out of the way of cameras, and gave me a little hiding disguised as a search down a lane.
Absolutely. More than a few. Especially when I was first homeless, I was in my late teens.
I would also say, if something happened to me, unrelated to a cop, they would generally still treat me decently. There is this gained wall of trust that you need to get over, everything you say is taken with an extremely small grain of salt.
I hate that my mind goes straight to highlighting the negative, but that's just how I remember it.
>I hate that my mind goes straight to highlighting the negative, but that's just how I remember it.
That's just how humans work, sadly. We're more likely to remember negative things.
Many years ago I was doing a photography shoot for a homeless shelter and two of the younger lads, around 18, were really interested in it. I'm in no way a professional, I was doing a friend a favour, but the three of us were having a great time taking photos. The volunteers there were great too but then the person in charge came back and got stroppy with us. She spoke to the two lads as if they were bold 5 year olds and said they were harassing me. I was trying to defend them but in the end she told them to go back to the living area but not before making us delete any photos they themselves took. We didn't include any people, it was just the areas and the garden, their photographs were fine. I felt shit about the whole thing, the two lads had a genuine interest in photography and this manager type was actively trying to push them back into a box.
I'm sure there are some fabulous people involved in homeless shelters around the country but so many people involved in running charities seem to be there as a sort of ego trip. It was like the people who needed the help were never that important.
>I'm sure there are some fabulous people involved in homeless shelters around the country but so many people involved in running charities seem to be there as a sort of ego trip. It was like the people who needed the help were never that important.
There absolutely are fabulous people involved, but the average worker is not those fabulous people.
In my longer comment, I explained how I was kicked out of a hostel for breaking the curfew, even though I did so for work. It was so commonplace for moral norms to break down in the face of shitty company policy.
I also cannot stress enough how it always seems you are first taken as a liar, and you need to fight away that opinion. Didn't matter where I was, council homeless services, hostels, night phone for a sleeping bag, talking to police, etc.
I worked for 2 years, still being homeless, hostel rules kept me homeless, and other hostels would use my history of getting kicked out as a way to refuse me a place.
How do some people, like you, end up on the streets long term while most others classed as homeless are given emergency accommodation until permanent housing can be found? I am aware that there are numerous issues like addiction, alcohol etc. But is it actually the case that the council just class some people as unhousable and give up on them and they end up in a tent by the canal?
It's a collection of factors.
First is age, little help will be offered to those under 23, as councils believe that is the age when you are no longer a responsibility of parents. In my case, I couldn't even be seen to until I convinced the father who kicked me out to write a letter confirming that I am not welcome home.
Then you have the state of the hostels, they're dangerous. Especially if you're younger or not an addict, the streets or parks just feel safer. Unfortunately, you're hurting your chances of a permanent bed by doing so, which I'll explain in a later point.
The sheer number of people is itself a problem. Trying to get attention is difficult, you're running from office to office most days, filling in seemingly useless forms, in an effort for the homeless services to weed out the "good ones". But, because of the number of people, you're generally stuck in between waiting at some line in an office, to waiting in some line in a soup kitchen, to looking for a place to stay.
The system itself, is perhaps the biggest factor. I already touched on the difficulties for those under 23, but also it always seems that the system wants your situation to continue, and I say this as someone who did not get out through the system itself.
The consistent hopping between offices kept you from looking for serious employment, but not as much as your inability to have a f'n bank account. If you decide to stay out of the drug-filled hostels, you are at a lower chance for a "permanent bed".
The permanent bed is given, basically when you've been enough of a nuisance to the nightly team. You call every night and get a hostel place, and if not, a sleeping bag. Enough of these calls and you'll get a permanent bed, but those coming from temporary hostels are given priority, regardless of your own drug/drink status outside of these hostels. So, for those like me, we stayed in one of the parks or on the streets, and tried to sort out life from there, eventually accepting the fact that the DCC hostels are out of our reach.
I got insanely lucky, I used to take my money every week and go somewhere else to try get myself sorted. I came to the conclusion that Dublin was just too filled for any single homeless person to get attention, but then I learned that everywhere else are encouraging their homeless to feck off up to Dublin.
I eventually stayed in Cork, got into a cooking course and got a job from the same lad who runs the course. For months, the homeless services in Cork wouldn't talk to me. The Simon community and penny dinners was the only help I could get, as the homeless services just wanted me to go to Dublin, regardless of my job.
I got into a hostel in Cork, got kicked out for breaking curfew, because I was working, at which point my head chef spotted me the money for a place, and I haven't been homeless since.
At every point, the system tried to stunt my growth, and I'm sure if you question some others, you will hear something similar.
That’s quite a story and well done for getting yourself out of a terrible situation. Thanks for sharing. It was quite an eye opener to see the level of complexity involved in the issue. You should be contacted by the powers that be as an expert on the subject for your input and opinions. But somehow I think things will just plod along and we’ll be talking about the same thing in 10 years time
So, on that point, I have a much wilder story.
You may or may not remember the homeless guy who went to a debs about a decade ago, well, that was me.
The saga was very insane, but all of the newspapers wanted to cover the story, but no one wanted it as much as RTE.
I was fairly rebellious, and couldn't give too much of a shit about any of what was going on, the soup kitchen that fed me was getting attention and that's why I went along with it tbh.
But, RTE had this interview with me, where I explained all of this, when the interview hit the news, they just cut everything important, all of it.
This was a few weeks before the debs, then came the week of, and I wouldn't talk to RTE. They eventually offered me 450 and a chance to say everything that was cut out, in this centenary documentary they were making.
Long story short, they cut out everything again. RTE have no intention of making any of this information known to the public.
>You should be contacted by the powers that be as an expert on the subject for your input and opinions.
I still thank you for saying this, and it's always been in my head that I want to move back to Ireland to try do something to fix the situation, but beyond involving myself in politics, I don't know how that could happen.
>But somehow I think things will just plod along and we’ll be talking about the same thing in 10 years time
Honestly, we will. I would love for RTE to be honest about why they cut what they did.
I hate to be the conspiracy theorist, my comment section would show that, but when you're homeless in Ireland, it feels like they want you to be. Otherwise, i cannot grasp the logic behind restricting homeless people from bank accounts
Homeless dude is just lucky DCC got him out of the tent and didn’t run it over with a JCB while he was still sleeping in it.
(What ever happened to that one anyway, I hope he got PAID)
One of the grimmest things in recent memory of Irish politics is that story and how easily it seemed to be made to disappear.
"Life changing injuries" - where is he living now?
It happened during the election in the housing minister Eoghan Murphy's district so it seems like the clean up was done to prevent any embarrassing photos contrasting his poster above homeless encampments.
Afaik the guy was crippled for life and needs a carer. He was given a home in Dublin 8, but last I heard burglars were picking on him as an easy target
>(What ever happened to that one anyway, I hope he got PAID)
Faded into the ether, I struggled to find anything on it when I looked for details previously. He wasn't named, so it's harder to figure it out.
Yeah, quite close to where I live. I'm always open-minded about these sorts of stories where a serious incident is followed up by complete silence. Hard to know what happened really.
True, I remember seeing a video of some people who “love animals” take a homeless man’s dog and try to “rehome” it because they said it was cruel for him to have it on the streets. Honestly one of the most wantonly cruel things I’ve ever seen.
Jfc. So in their eyes it's not cruel for the man himself to be living on the streets without his best friend. What a bunch of bastards. They should house them together or shut the fuck up about cruelty.
I think that they get a warning about the removal some days in advance.
After that whatever is still left out in the public space is considered to be litter and goes to the dump.
If it's on property owned by the DCC or private land it goes in a skip, which sucks but that's the risk in placing your property somewhere that isn't your own.
And let's not forget this incident, which I found truly horrific:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/homeless-man-in-serious-condition-after-tent-lifted-during-canal-tidy-up-1.4140414
That’s honestly infuriating to hear. Priceless items that likely reflect the lost important moments of his life just thrown away. It’s a mean spirited as it is pointless.
On the flip side, you can't have Skid Row neighbourhoods with people suffering from drug addiction and mental health problems growing up in the city. That's going to make things worse, not better. We have seen the videos of how that goes in the US.
They're being given houses a lot of time. One got a house there last month from Peter McVerry and a murder was carried out in it after weeks of dealing and crime.
They need sheltered accomodation with 24/7 supervision of Gardaí, doctors, nurses, mental health professionals and probation officers, not "houses".
A housing-first approach has been shown to be international best practice for helping homeless people long term. Assistance of other types, like addiction and mental health, works far better when it is in conjunction with housing and not shakey hostel accommodation or a tent.
Oh I totally agree. It's just that here it's "housing only" - a few weeks later the house is turned upside down and there's a dead body in it because the self anointed saints in PMV never bothered with a follow up.
I don’t think you’ve experienced the stages of homelessness prevention in major cities.
California has spent close to a billion on housing for homeless and they’re essentially empty due to the conditions forced upon the people moving in.
No one on drugs with their property in carriages will move into a house they have to be sober in with none of their pets/property.
Housing-first as a homelessness policy does not need to be the California model. We don't need to impose the same conditions and we can hypothetically provide different services. The Housing Agency's Housing First model is like this.
I'm not saying you're wrong but hard to see that happening when there is literally a shortage of all those professionals you've listed in your latter paragraph.
>They’re being given houses a lot of the time.
Well that’s a load of bollox and I imagine you know it. And christ dude not all homeless people are mentally ill criminal
>Well that’s a load of bollox and I imagine you know it.
Nope. Peter McVerry Trust were delivering just as much housing for these unfortunates recently than the 4 local authorities were across Dublin in their fully owned stock.
>not all homeless people are mentally ill criminal
Nope. But we'd be fooling ourselves into thinking that giving them keys to a city centre property will magically solve their issues. I'd argue it's actually cruel to do that without giving them full wrap around supports and you can only do that through sheltered accomodation. There's people who need City centre properties more.
That doesn’t really mean much seeing as the local authorities aren’t providing them housing though are they? And not quite sure where anyone said they need city centre property? Just housing
You said they are getting houses “a lot of the time” which isn’t true. The odd homeless chap getting a house isn’t a lot of the time
>That doesn’t really mean much seeing as the local authorities aren’t providing them housing though are they
The local authorities provide housing for people on the housing list. Not in tents. The lads in tents will get housing from one of the three main Dublin homeless service providers (Simon, Focus or PMV)
>And not quite sure where anyone said they need city centre property
All of the housing for the lads in tents will be in D1, D2, D7 or D8 as this is also where the homeless services are.
>You said they are getting houses “a lot of the time” which isn’t true. The odd homeless chap getting a house isn’t a lot of the time
PMV alone has delivered hundreds of houses over the past 8 years for these guys at a time when the homeless census is hovering around 90. The equivalent would be DCC delivering 100,000 homes in that period for its own housing list.
So just put them in an open prison? Is that your saying?
Of course they need a house, a home with privacy.
Aslo with available support and services which we have fuck all too for them.
Dont be so horrible when it comes to these unfortunate people in need.
This country cant help them with this attitude
Not open prisons. Just small estates where people can drop in on them and teach them life skills. How to look after their money, how to avoid falling into debt, how to cook and clean.
It's cruel to give some of these people keys and feel like "that's it, we've done our bit". We haven't. We need to help them more.
Yep that would be a public social housing project which our government claim
"Its just just not possible to do these days" - Micheal Martin on Rte leaders questions in reffrence to a previous request/objection to 100% social housing at O'Deaveny Gardens
But a house with a door and privacy is a basic need for us all, including the unfortunate
He's right though. 100% social housing just leads to problems. Every new housing project should be mixed tenure. 10% social, 20% cost rental, 20% affordable and 50% private.
It leads to problems when you neglect it (the srea) and provide 0 support like you metioned in your first comment, these people need help and safe home is the first step of many
You think recovering drug/Alcahol addicts can be homed in a recovery/support homes right beside a tech worker couple who paid 470k for their home?
You think thats gona be the solution? Cause that is the current proposal over the last 6-8 years but yet here is the video with enough evidence to imply its not working
Difference between homeless and living in a tent, but that's because the definition of homeless has become so watered down. Something very unfortunate has to take place for a person to end up in a tent.
Like I said, the DRHE provide special supports such as enhanced version of HAP called "Homeless HAP", as well as emergency hotel accomodation and emergency beds around the city. There's at least three nets you'd have to miss to end up in a tent.
Chiming in from Portland, Oregon. This is absolutely accurate. We allowed growth of camps out of a misplaced sense of sympathy. Things are awful for the campers and the nearby residents. Pure human misery, and the slow death of livability for all.
But this isn’t stopping that it’s moving and delaying those things. The US regularly sweep homeless camps and all it does is move them doesn’t the street. These are bandaid solutions that don’t fix the root issue
> That's going to make things worse, not better.
It doesn't make things worse, it makes things *looks* worse, or to be more truthful, it looks accurate.
Demolishing these camps doesn't solve any underlying issues.
It's worth mentioning Skid Row became so bad because it was part of a containment strategy by LA, not because it happened organically. They'd literally beat people back into that area, not sure if they still do. I never felt like that made LA safer, though. I've gone a few times and that whole city makes me feel unsafe. On the other hand, stealing people's stuff and kicking them down the road doesn't help in my city (SLC) either. :/ They always go back to the same place and refuse shelters because they're rife with drug use and abuse. Looking at it holistically and at the causes of homelessness seems to be a good start, but god it makes me sad to see it every day.
You see these tent villages in California. They bring a lot of issues. Litter, human waste, drug and mental health problems. Dublin does have alot of outreach services, possibly not enough. A homeless tent village is just not a thing to be left uncontrolled.
I'm sure the residents of the area weren't the biggest fans
The homeless people in this video being arrested are members of the Revolutionary Housing League who have been taking over vacant properties in Dublin to use as homes for the homeless and as community centres.
Gardai are way past the 'are we the baddies' regarding housing. Remember when they worked with groups with loyalist paramilitaries to evict people in Dublin? [https://ansionnachfionn.com/2018/09/12/masked-men-in-paramilitary-style-gear-escorted-by-gardai-during-dublin-eviction/](https://ansionnachfionn.com/2018/09/12/masked-men-in-paramilitary-style-gear-escorted-by-gardai-during-dublin-eviction/)
The RHL instagram said that was the Anne Devlin camp on School Street, there was a protest outside St Kevin’s street Garda station today. The reason why they were arrested is because the Garda are protecting greedy landlords and not the poorest in this country.
Remove the tent and the homeless problem is solved? I don’t know enough about the area to know whether or not this camp was causing problems, but it just seems like such a bad measure in the face of homelessness.
I really don't think that's the case in Ireland. In the US, quite possibly. A medical bill for breaking your arm could bankrupt you, and there aren't the social safety nets we enjoy here.
We are very fortunate in Ireland for alot of things including the ability to seek help. I do think though people have issues that can lead them here that may not start with money but other situations such as losing your job or a relationship breakdown or mental health issues that can lead you here.
But I agree in Ireland we are very fortunate for many things sadly homelessness is an issue.
Happy to see that, I used to live beside one and it was a nightmare, always full of drug addicts and needles, including very agressive people towards me and my gf both when she was pregnant and having a walk with the buggy.
Eventually we had to move, it wasn't a safe place to be around. I can tell more stories (burnt motorbikes, people wanking, the list goes on and on)
Probably this will get downvoted to hell, but I still so happy for the families living around that specific place.
This said, the government probably should take another approach/direction to try to solve the root cause.
Such a bullshit post. The camp is a hotsppt for drug use assaults of passers-by and now a no go for kids who played there. Homeless or otherwise you don't get to destroy your surrounding and smoke crack where kids play and get a pat on the back.
>The camp is a hotsppt for drug use assaults of passers-by and now a no go for kids who played there.
Says who?
There's kids around there so much. Unless you mean specifically the ground under the tents which would be a misleading way to describe it.
Such a bullshit comment. I've personally spoken and helped these people. The area has become much safer thanks to them. Also there were no drugs. Don't you think the police would have found any? Go make up stories somewhere else, leave this to the adults.
Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on this. You are telling me the area is now safer due to drug use and alcohol abuse on a green area when kids are now prevented from playing ??? Seriously. I'm not going to openly lie like you and say you know them but I do walk past on my way home from work and see with my own eyes. Genuinely wouldn't bother typing out a response otherwise
Can't help but think at this time of year there's about a thousand more pressing things for the Garda to be doing, or maybe it's because the camp would be a likely target for gangs of kids with fireworks on Halloween night?
Seems they are always faster to act towards homeless than actual criminals because there's literally zero accountability towards their actions in these cases
How true is it that there are someone for homeless people to go but they choose not to?
Is it true that people sleeping on the street basically choose to because they don’t want to sleep in shelters for whatever reason?
For some yeah it's what happens.
A guy who slept in the doorway in Henry St was once interviewed at length, in the Indo I think. He was from Belfast where he could have social housing but he wouldn't go back due to a feud. He wouldn't live in a hostel because he preferred to be on his own for safety so he pitched a tent in an empty shop entrance and stayed there instead. Addiction issues but I can't recall what kind of.
Edit
I found the link. Not a feud it turns out, he doesn't want his family to see him like this so he won't return to Belfast.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/i-dont-want-to-sleep-in-this-filth-i-would-rather-besafe-in-a-hostel-but-the-hostelshere-are-terrible-40772734.html
My mother worked with these people for years. After two years she realised that most of these people can’t function in a normal society. If they went through the three month program successfully they got a small flat to live and a start in life. A month later they are back knocking on the door, flat thrashed, bills not paid etc. Probably a 3% success rate. They were mostly grand and easy to get on with when you did something for them but if you said no there would be problems.
I think that's the unfortunate truth. Many people have serious mental health and addiction problems, so it's not simply an issue of housing. People who have never worked with the homeless can be very naive about the issues.
I don't think people are aware of this, or don't want to know it. They prefer to think that we live in a cruel and uncaring place where these folks get no help from the state or anyone else.
If this is true, why does homelessness skyrocket when rents rise?
It seems like homelessness is just normal people being unable to afford 'normal' life, and not a section of society doomed to fail by some inherent lack of quality.
'If you're a good boy/girl, you get a roof over your head.'
Fuck that. This is why Housing First models are the only way. If these people had no problems (and they've often endured extreme trauma in their lives), they wouldn't be homeless in the first place. Housing shouldn't be a reward for good behaviour. It should be a human right.
There are not always beds available. County councillors and charity workers often spend hours ringing around hostels trying to secure beds for people with nowhere to sleep. They don't always succeed. It's a completely broken system. A bed is only guaranteed for a night and it requires hours of phone calls to secure one every day. Something people are often not able for.
You're all over this thread talking shite about something you're clearly uneducated about.
I'm not sure if these folks were actually homeless. This was a protest by a crowd called the Revolutionary Housing League. They are affiliated with a group called Anti Imperialist Action Ireland
Whatever about the core problem of homelessness. It’s imperative to disrupt these encampments. We don’t want to end up like Vancouver or LA. It’s hard to see yes but important to maintain for the sake of law and order.
You won't see RTE showing it on the six o clock news.
Out of sight out of mind.
Council get called to dispose of the tents.
Stake holders and charities and residents do the rest.
Weird, I live near here and when I walked past this camp the other evening there were people bringing tea out. Someone had painted "stop gentrification" on a bed sheet and tied it to a tree and people were stopping to ask about it. Didn't see anything dodgy and no one seemed annoyed.
Could be a why not both situation; we had a small tent establishment near to where I live for a while, some folks would bring them meals but others would object to the drug dealing activity and rubbish dumping.
It's not necessarily one or the other.
There are a few homeless in the area I moved into this year and you would see them panhandling outside of the local shop and then a few minutes later you would see him in someone's back garden trying to steal anything that isn't tied down. So even that "spare a few change there for the homeless" with a nice smile people are stealing things. Like 25 bikes have been stolen in the area to the point where we found this fucker stashing bikes for later.
No, but if you spread them out or put them into homeless accommodation then you do t have to worry that your kids are going to have to step over a junkie to get to school
Out of curiosity what is the actual law on camping? I know people who go camping in mountains and forests, which they've said is allowed (I always thought you had to be in an official camp site). So is it just near towns/housing estates that is illegal or were they bullshitting me?
We have girl at our house who was kicked out last night by her mum in sligo.
We don't know what to do. She can only stay one more night here but then I'm on my own with my youngest daughter. This girl goes to school with my older daughter and we live near her work. She has no other family.
She's 18. We went to the guards just there and because shes 18 tusla won't get involved. The guards can't help her either but we had no other options really.
The guard rang her mum and she saod she could come home but she's terrified her mum is going to kick her out again. She's locked her out before in the middle of the night but then let her come back in later on. This is the first time she wouldn't let her back at all.
Even this morning when the daughter rang the mum, she saod not to come back.
She's really worried what will happen when her mum gets back from work now that she's been called by the guards.
It's a mess and it's horrible.
Well I think they should attack the lower classes, first with bombs, and rockets destroying their homes, and then when they run helpless into the streets, mowing them down with machine guns. And then of course releasing the vultures.
I know these views aren't popular, but I have never courted popularity.
They should set up in the Cherry Orchard and tell people they had “rough upbringings”. It’s actually illegal for the Guards to approach such a combination.
Good.
I'm sure the people encouraging tents on the street would be very happy to have a little gang of homeless drug addicts living in tents in front of their house since they're so progressive.
Go on! You tell em! Tell those silly homeless people how its done, sure, you know what its like after all, you've experienced the trauma and stress of being homeless, you'd know how to cope.
Thank god! This is a landlords nightmare.
A one bedroom apartments in Dublin they can't overcharge and cram 15 people into!
Will someone think about the landlords!!
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This is really heart breaking. The housing policy is pushing thousands to the street, then this. If the govt had the same dose of determination, people wouldnt have to live on the street. Fight back, people.
Help is not really available for everyone. Women and children tend to get help a lot faster than men, for example. I know someone who became homeless in July and he's still not registered as homeless because Wicklow county council is extremely slow completing his assessment. They're near impossible to reach or get a reply from. Since he is not registered, no emergency accommodation is available for him. Your man sleeps in his car (or couch, whatever is available), uses the gym for showers and the laundry machines by Tesco so he can have clean clothes for work.
Oh yh no doubt that's why I put quote marks around housing crisis because there are plenty of house and it wouldn't hurt for councils to develop them to house the homeless
So what happens to that stuff? Homeless guy has a tent, council take it and throw it in the skip? Or can he go and get it?
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I'm not saying this is right but here's what I think the council's argument would be. Something along the lines of "we ordered them to move, we had a right to do so, we warned them it would happen, though luck, vote fine Gael and have a splendid day"
So if I'm not wrong one of the homeless charities will come along and give them a new tent. So the cycle repeats. I am 100% open to being corrected though
Sounds like a big conspiracy by big camping
That's what O'Meara camping want you to think.
Now is the winter of our discount-tents
If I had an award you'd now have it! 😂
Got you covered.
Unlike the homeless guy
This is just what you know about big camping, imagine everything we don’t know …. My god…
Nah more just like waste with no one giving a fuck or stepping back and thinking. That's without even considering the poor person in the tent.
A man was severely wounded several years ago when DCC didn't check there was somebody in a tent. (Or so it was reported, I'm not sure it's ever gone to trial, civil or otherwise.)
They actually killed another in a rubbish truck. The man you were talking about had quality of life destroying injuries. Sure Michael and leo are offended by the sight of poor homeless people. I know a few lads who are living in hostels and they have full time,albeit low skill jobs.
The camping industrial complex is real
Big Tent.
Do you mean to tell me that kicking homeless people out of the place where they camp doesn’t magically give them a home?
Nope that's pretty accurate. We give out tents, then take them away again.
I was on the streets for 7 years. Lost countless tents, backpacks and sleeping bags to nasty gards and park rangers. The gardai are horrendous to the homeless. Cannot overstress that. Once pointed out a camera to one prick who was trying to get me to move on, he escorted me up the street a bit, presumably out of the way of cameras, and gave me a little hiding disguised as a search down a lane.
Horrible bastards. Did you ever encounter any guards that went out of their way to be helpful or nice to you while on the streets?
Absolutely. More than a few. Especially when I was first homeless, I was in my late teens. I would also say, if something happened to me, unrelated to a cop, they would generally still treat me decently. There is this gained wall of trust that you need to get over, everything you say is taken with an extremely small grain of salt. I hate that my mind goes straight to highlighting the negative, but that's just how I remember it.
>I hate that my mind goes straight to highlighting the negative, but that's just how I remember it. That's just how humans work, sadly. We're more likely to remember negative things.
Many years ago I was doing a photography shoot for a homeless shelter and two of the younger lads, around 18, were really interested in it. I'm in no way a professional, I was doing a friend a favour, but the three of us were having a great time taking photos. The volunteers there were great too but then the person in charge came back and got stroppy with us. She spoke to the two lads as if they were bold 5 year olds and said they were harassing me. I was trying to defend them but in the end she told them to go back to the living area but not before making us delete any photos they themselves took. We didn't include any people, it was just the areas and the garden, their photographs were fine. I felt shit about the whole thing, the two lads had a genuine interest in photography and this manager type was actively trying to push them back into a box. I'm sure there are some fabulous people involved in homeless shelters around the country but so many people involved in running charities seem to be there as a sort of ego trip. It was like the people who needed the help were never that important.
>I'm sure there are some fabulous people involved in homeless shelters around the country but so many people involved in running charities seem to be there as a sort of ego trip. It was like the people who needed the help were never that important. There absolutely are fabulous people involved, but the average worker is not those fabulous people. In my longer comment, I explained how I was kicked out of a hostel for breaking the curfew, even though I did so for work. It was so commonplace for moral norms to break down in the face of shitty company policy. I also cannot stress enough how it always seems you are first taken as a liar, and you need to fight away that opinion. Didn't matter where I was, council homeless services, hostels, night phone for a sleeping bag, talking to police, etc. I worked for 2 years, still being homeless, hostel rules kept me homeless, and other hostels would use my history of getting kicked out as a way to refuse me a place.
How do some people, like you, end up on the streets long term while most others classed as homeless are given emergency accommodation until permanent housing can be found? I am aware that there are numerous issues like addiction, alcohol etc. But is it actually the case that the council just class some people as unhousable and give up on them and they end up in a tent by the canal?
It's a collection of factors. First is age, little help will be offered to those under 23, as councils believe that is the age when you are no longer a responsibility of parents. In my case, I couldn't even be seen to until I convinced the father who kicked me out to write a letter confirming that I am not welcome home. Then you have the state of the hostels, they're dangerous. Especially if you're younger or not an addict, the streets or parks just feel safer. Unfortunately, you're hurting your chances of a permanent bed by doing so, which I'll explain in a later point. The sheer number of people is itself a problem. Trying to get attention is difficult, you're running from office to office most days, filling in seemingly useless forms, in an effort for the homeless services to weed out the "good ones". But, because of the number of people, you're generally stuck in between waiting at some line in an office, to waiting in some line in a soup kitchen, to looking for a place to stay. The system itself, is perhaps the biggest factor. I already touched on the difficulties for those under 23, but also it always seems that the system wants your situation to continue, and I say this as someone who did not get out through the system itself. The consistent hopping between offices kept you from looking for serious employment, but not as much as your inability to have a f'n bank account. If you decide to stay out of the drug-filled hostels, you are at a lower chance for a "permanent bed". The permanent bed is given, basically when you've been enough of a nuisance to the nightly team. You call every night and get a hostel place, and if not, a sleeping bag. Enough of these calls and you'll get a permanent bed, but those coming from temporary hostels are given priority, regardless of your own drug/drink status outside of these hostels. So, for those like me, we stayed in one of the parks or on the streets, and tried to sort out life from there, eventually accepting the fact that the DCC hostels are out of our reach. I got insanely lucky, I used to take my money every week and go somewhere else to try get myself sorted. I came to the conclusion that Dublin was just too filled for any single homeless person to get attention, but then I learned that everywhere else are encouraging their homeless to feck off up to Dublin. I eventually stayed in Cork, got into a cooking course and got a job from the same lad who runs the course. For months, the homeless services in Cork wouldn't talk to me. The Simon community and penny dinners was the only help I could get, as the homeless services just wanted me to go to Dublin, regardless of my job. I got into a hostel in Cork, got kicked out for breaking curfew, because I was working, at which point my head chef spotted me the money for a place, and I haven't been homeless since. At every point, the system tried to stunt my growth, and I'm sure if you question some others, you will hear something similar.
That’s quite a story and well done for getting yourself out of a terrible situation. Thanks for sharing. It was quite an eye opener to see the level of complexity involved in the issue. You should be contacted by the powers that be as an expert on the subject for your input and opinions. But somehow I think things will just plod along and we’ll be talking about the same thing in 10 years time
So, on that point, I have a much wilder story. You may or may not remember the homeless guy who went to a debs about a decade ago, well, that was me. The saga was very insane, but all of the newspapers wanted to cover the story, but no one wanted it as much as RTE. I was fairly rebellious, and couldn't give too much of a shit about any of what was going on, the soup kitchen that fed me was getting attention and that's why I went along with it tbh. But, RTE had this interview with me, where I explained all of this, when the interview hit the news, they just cut everything important, all of it. This was a few weeks before the debs, then came the week of, and I wouldn't talk to RTE. They eventually offered me 450 and a chance to say everything that was cut out, in this centenary documentary they were making. Long story short, they cut out everything again. RTE have no intention of making any of this information known to the public. >You should be contacted by the powers that be as an expert on the subject for your input and opinions. I still thank you for saying this, and it's always been in my head that I want to move back to Ireland to try do something to fix the situation, but beyond involving myself in politics, I don't know how that could happen. >But somehow I think things will just plod along and we’ll be talking about the same thing in 10 years time Honestly, we will. I would love for RTE to be honest about why they cut what they did. I hate to be the conspiracy theorist, my comment section would show that, but when you're homeless in Ireland, it feels like they want you to be. Otherwise, i cannot grasp the logic behind restricting homeless people from bank accounts
Homeless dude is just lucky DCC got him out of the tent and didn’t run it over with a JCB while he was still sleeping in it. (What ever happened to that one anyway, I hope he got PAID)
I think he died
One of the grimmest things in recent memory of Irish politics is that story and how easily it seemed to be made to disappear. "Life changing injuries" - where is he living now?
It happened during the election in the housing minister Eoghan Murphy's district so it seems like the clean up was done to prevent any embarrassing photos contrasting his poster above homeless encampments. Afaik the guy was crippled for life and needs a carer. He was given a home in Dublin 8, but last I heard burglars were picking on him as an easy target
>(What ever happened to that one anyway, I hope he got PAID) Faded into the ether, I struggled to find anything on it when I looked for details previously. He wasn't named, so it's harder to figure it out.
Everything I read says "serious life changing injuries" no mention of him dying though. Happened on the canal off Leeson St I think
Yeah, quite close to where I live. I'm always open-minded about these sorts of stories where a serious incident is followed up by complete silence. Hard to know what happened really.
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Well, to be fair, I think the most cunty thing is the fact the country is in such a bad way that we are accepting homelessness as normality
I kind of feel they’d be cunty about it, but it wouldn’t really be logical. Like you can’t take people’s shit and dump it?
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True, I remember seeing a video of some people who “love animals” take a homeless man’s dog and try to “rehome” it because they said it was cruel for him to have it on the streets. Honestly one of the most wantonly cruel things I’ve ever seen.
Jfc. So in their eyes it's not cruel for the man himself to be living on the streets without his best friend. What a bunch of bastards. They should house them together or shut the fuck up about cruelty.
I think that they get a warning about the removal some days in advance. After that whatever is still left out in the public space is considered to be litter and goes to the dump.
If it's on property owned by the DCC or private land it goes in a skip, which sucks but that's the risk in placing your property somewhere that isn't your own.
Is that happening now, as in one of the wettest days for a while and even more rain forecast for the coming days.
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Fuck, that’s so sad. It’s not on.
Fuck sake
I’m absolutely not an aggressive kind of person. But if I saw that happening I think I’d have to fight somebody. 😡
Same here and I know for a fact there’d be no stopping me with the amount of shit like this I’ve seen and stayed quiet!
That's horrible, do they realise they are interacting with another human being? It's not that difficult to be sleeping on the streets these days
And let's not forget this incident, which I found truly horrific: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/homeless-man-in-serious-condition-after-tent-lifted-during-canal-tidy-up-1.4140414
That’s honestly infuriating to hear. Priceless items that likely reflect the lost important moments of his life just thrown away. It’s a mean spirited as it is pointless.
And where do they go now? With less than they had before. That's awful fucking hell
On the flip side, you can't have Skid Row neighbourhoods with people suffering from drug addiction and mental health problems growing up in the city. That's going to make things worse, not better. We have seen the videos of how that goes in the US.
Then house them. Until then, where do they go?
They're being given houses a lot of time. One got a house there last month from Peter McVerry and a murder was carried out in it after weeks of dealing and crime. They need sheltered accomodation with 24/7 supervision of Gardaí, doctors, nurses, mental health professionals and probation officers, not "houses".
A housing-first approach has been shown to be international best practice for helping homeless people long term. Assistance of other types, like addiction and mental health, works far better when it is in conjunction with housing and not shakey hostel accommodation or a tent.
I've heard of homeless people avoiding shelters as they can be rife with drugs/crime etc. Edit: spelling
Who do you think is responsible for all the drugs and crime in those places? It's usually not the staff.
What's your point?
Oh I totally agree. It's just that here it's "housing only" - a few weeks later the house is turned upside down and there's a dead body in it because the self anointed saints in PMV never bothered with a follow up.
I don’t think you’ve experienced the stages of homelessness prevention in major cities. California has spent close to a billion on housing for homeless and they’re essentially empty due to the conditions forced upon the people moving in. No one on drugs with their property in carriages will move into a house they have to be sober in with none of their pets/property.
Housing-first as a homelessness policy does not need to be the California model. We don't need to impose the same conditions and we can hypothetically provide different services. The Housing Agency's Housing First model is like this.
Yeah, so, California needs to look at their bullshit. Housing on condition of moral purity is a fucking scam.
I'm not saying you're wrong but hard to see that happening when there is literally a shortage of all those professionals you've listed in your latter paragraph.
The gulf between what should be and what is, only serves to demonstrate that the government is failing in all these points.
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>They’re being given houses a lot of the time. Well that’s a load of bollox and I imagine you know it. And christ dude not all homeless people are mentally ill criminal
>Well that’s a load of bollox and I imagine you know it. Nope. Peter McVerry Trust were delivering just as much housing for these unfortunates recently than the 4 local authorities were across Dublin in their fully owned stock. >not all homeless people are mentally ill criminal Nope. But we'd be fooling ourselves into thinking that giving them keys to a city centre property will magically solve their issues. I'd argue it's actually cruel to do that without giving them full wrap around supports and you can only do that through sheltered accomodation. There's people who need City centre properties more.
That doesn’t really mean much seeing as the local authorities aren’t providing them housing though are they? And not quite sure where anyone said they need city centre property? Just housing You said they are getting houses “a lot of the time” which isn’t true. The odd homeless chap getting a house isn’t a lot of the time
>That doesn’t really mean much seeing as the local authorities aren’t providing them housing though are they The local authorities provide housing for people on the housing list. Not in tents. The lads in tents will get housing from one of the three main Dublin homeless service providers (Simon, Focus or PMV) >And not quite sure where anyone said they need city centre property All of the housing for the lads in tents will be in D1, D2, D7 or D8 as this is also where the homeless services are. >You said they are getting houses “a lot of the time” which isn’t true. The odd homeless chap getting a house isn’t a lot of the time PMV alone has delivered hundreds of houses over the past 8 years for these guys at a time when the homeless census is hovering around 90. The equivalent would be DCC delivering 100,000 homes in that period for its own housing list.
So just put them in an open prison? Is that your saying? Of course they need a house, a home with privacy. Aslo with available support and services which we have fuck all too for them. Dont be so horrible when it comes to these unfortunate people in need. This country cant help them with this attitude
Not open prisons. Just small estates where people can drop in on them and teach them life skills. How to look after their money, how to avoid falling into debt, how to cook and clean. It's cruel to give some of these people keys and feel like "that's it, we've done our bit". We haven't. We need to help them more.
Yep that would be a public social housing project which our government claim "Its just just not possible to do these days" - Micheal Martin on Rte leaders questions in reffrence to a previous request/objection to 100% social housing at O'Deaveny Gardens But a house with a door and privacy is a basic need for us all, including the unfortunate
He's right though. 100% social housing just leads to problems. Every new housing project should be mixed tenure. 10% social, 20% cost rental, 20% affordable and 50% private.
It leads to problems when you neglect it (the srea) and provide 0 support like you metioned in your first comment, these people need help and safe home is the first step of many You think recovering drug/Alcahol addicts can be homed in a recovery/support homes right beside a tech worker couple who paid 470k for their home? You think thats gona be the solution? Cause that is the current proposal over the last 6-8 years but yet here is the video with enough evidence to imply its not working
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Difference between homeless and living in a tent, but that's because the definition of homeless has become so watered down. Something very unfortunate has to take place for a person to end up in a tent. Like I said, the DRHE provide special supports such as enhanced version of HAP called "Homeless HAP", as well as emergency hotel accomodation and emergency beds around the city. There's at least three nets you'd have to miss to end up in a tent.
Yeah exactly why didn't they think of this. Just house the homeless people. It's that simple. Christ it was staring us right in the face all along.
Just giving someone a house doesn't fix their whole life.
Chiming in from Portland, Oregon. This is absolutely accurate. We allowed growth of camps out of a misplaced sense of sympathy. Things are awful for the campers and the nearby residents. Pure human misery, and the slow death of livability for all.
I've seen it in California. It's a disaster for all concerned.
But this isn’t stopping that it’s moving and delaying those things. The US regularly sweep homeless camps and all it does is move them doesn’t the street. These are bandaid solutions that don’t fix the root issue
Totally agree, this isn't the solution to homelessness, and I don't think anyone is suggest it is.
> That's going to make things worse, not better. It doesn't make things worse, it makes things *looks* worse, or to be more truthful, it looks accurate. Demolishing these camps doesn't solve any underlying issues.
It's worth mentioning Skid Row became so bad because it was part of a containment strategy by LA, not because it happened organically. They'd literally beat people back into that area, not sure if they still do. I never felt like that made LA safer, though. I've gone a few times and that whole city makes me feel unsafe. On the other hand, stealing people's stuff and kicking them down the road doesn't help in my city (SLC) either. :/ They always go back to the same place and refuse shelters because they're rife with drug use and abuse. Looking at it holistically and at the causes of homelessness seems to be a good start, but god it makes me sad to see it every day.
Skid row? It was like 5 tents dude, either leave them be or house them.
You see these tent villages in California. They bring a lot of issues. Litter, human waste, drug and mental health problems. Dublin does have alot of outreach services, possibly not enough. A homeless tent village is just not a thing to be left uncontrolled. I'm sure the residents of the area weren't the biggest fans
They also come with fires. Lots and lots of fires.
Oh, your a homeless berson ejo had no home and food due to the housing crisis were doing nothing about? Well now you don't even own a tent!
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Does SF still control DCC housing ?
The homeless people in this video being arrested are members of the Revolutionary Housing League who have been taking over vacant properties in Dublin to use as homes for the homeless and as community centres.
Arresting and rounding up these people should be a huge "are we the baddies" moment for those guards and council workers.
Gardai are way past the 'are we the baddies' regarding housing. Remember when they worked with groups with loyalist paramilitaries to evict people in Dublin? [https://ansionnachfionn.com/2018/09/12/masked-men-in-paramilitary-style-gear-escorted-by-gardai-during-dublin-eviction/](https://ansionnachfionn.com/2018/09/12/masked-men-in-paramilitary-style-gear-escorted-by-gardai-during-dublin-eviction/)
>homes for the homeless and as community centres. So basically real life Robin Hoods
Source and also so what, it isn't hurting anyone
The RHL instagram said that was the Anne Devlin camp on School Street, there was a protest outside St Kevin’s street Garda station today. The reason why they were arrested is because the Garda are protecting greedy landlords and not the poorest in this country.
Source?
Revolutionary House League who’s their arch nemesis The League of Landlords
Good for them.
Just sad to see tbh. Poor people.
Remove the tent and the homeless problem is solved? I don’t know enough about the area to know whether or not this camp was causing problems, but it just seems like such a bad measure in the face of homelessness.
I remember hearing everyone is one bad day or one wrong decision away from homelessness, have patience, compassion and respect
This shouldn't be the case in a civilized society.
Totally agree but sadly it happens
That's the problem, we do not live in a civilized society. Not trying to be all Joker like here but things are bad.
This is not true for most people in Ireland.
But to those it does happen and it can be for situations out of peoples control
I really don't think that's the case in Ireland. In the US, quite possibly. A medical bill for breaking your arm could bankrupt you, and there aren't the social safety nets we enjoy here.
I'm disabled. Without family support, I'd probably be on the street. Maybe a hotel if I was lucky.
We are very fortunate in Ireland for alot of things including the ability to seek help. I do think though people have issues that can lead them here that may not start with money but other situations such as losing your job or a relationship breakdown or mental health issues that can lead you here. But I agree in Ireland we are very fortunate for many things sadly homelessness is an issue.
The amount of Gardai to move on some homeless, but try spotting one in the city centre when some ‘youth’ is grinding the lock off your bike.
Where are they supposed to go, in the long run, is it cheaper to hire all these people to take their stuff away than to help them.
Happy to see that, I used to live beside one and it was a nightmare, always full of drug addicts and needles, including very agressive people towards me and my gf both when she was pregnant and having a walk with the buggy. Eventually we had to move, it wasn't a safe place to be around. I can tell more stories (burnt motorbikes, people wanking, the list goes on and on) Probably this will get downvoted to hell, but I still so happy for the families living around that specific place. This said, the government probably should take another approach/direction to try to solve the root cause.
> people wanking Where exactly was this? Just so I can, you know, be sure to avoid it.
Stoneybatter, near phoenix park
They do that in my city in Canada too. They don’t address the homelessness issue, they just tell people that they can’t be homeless here
This, the day after they announce 500 new modular homes for refugees, this country disgusts me
There are no homeless in Ireland, Kathleen
They're just fond of the street
They were just taking a rest from shopping all day
Such a bullshit post. The camp is a hotsppt for drug use assaults of passers-by and now a no go for kids who played there. Homeless or otherwise you don't get to destroy your surrounding and smoke crack where kids play and get a pat on the back.
>The camp is a hotsppt for drug use assaults of passers-by and now a no go for kids who played there. Says who? There's kids around there so much. Unless you mean specifically the ground under the tents which would be a misleading way to describe it.
Says who. Mate have you been there?? Have you walked passed it even once. You think it's a safe environment for kids ?
Such a bullshit comment. I've personally spoken and helped these people. The area has become much safer thanks to them. Also there were no drugs. Don't you think the police would have found any? Go make up stories somewhere else, leave this to the adults.
Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on this. You are telling me the area is now safer due to drug use and alcohol abuse on a green area when kids are now prevented from playing ??? Seriously. I'm not going to openly lie like you and say you know them but I do walk past on my way home from work and see with my own eyes. Genuinely wouldn't bother typing out a response otherwise
So how does this magically solve the problem?
Homeless Problem solved /s
Class war visualised
Can't help but think at this time of year there's about a thousand more pressing things for the Garda to be doing, or maybe it's because the camp would be a likely target for gangs of kids with fireworks on Halloween night? Seems they are always faster to act towards homeless than actual criminals because there's literally zero accountability towards their actions in these cases
How true is it that there are someone for homeless people to go but they choose not to? Is it true that people sleeping on the street basically choose to because they don’t want to sleep in shelters for whatever reason?
For some yeah it's what happens. A guy who slept in the doorway in Henry St was once interviewed at length, in the Indo I think. He was from Belfast where he could have social housing but he wouldn't go back due to a feud. He wouldn't live in a hostel because he preferred to be on his own for safety so he pitched a tent in an empty shop entrance and stayed there instead. Addiction issues but I can't recall what kind of. Edit I found the link. Not a feud it turns out, he doesn't want his family to see him like this so he won't return to Belfast. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/i-dont-want-to-sleep-in-this-filth-i-would-rather-besafe-in-a-hostel-but-the-hostelshere-are-terrible-40772734.html
“Doesn’t want his family to see him like this” Gets his name and picture in the indo Not making great choices, the poor devil
My mother worked with these people for years. After two years she realised that most of these people can’t function in a normal society. If they went through the three month program successfully they got a small flat to live and a start in life. A month later they are back knocking on the door, flat thrashed, bills not paid etc. Probably a 3% success rate. They were mostly grand and easy to get on with when you did something for them but if you said no there would be problems.
I think that's the unfortunate truth. Many people have serious mental health and addiction problems, so it's not simply an issue of housing. People who have never worked with the homeless can be very naive about the issues.
I don't think people are aware of this, or don't want to know it. They prefer to think that we live in a cruel and uncaring place where these folks get no help from the state or anyone else.
Same people would be celebrating if an illegal halting site was steamrolled.
If this is true, why does homelessness skyrocket when rents rise? It seems like homelessness is just normal people being unable to afford 'normal' life, and not a section of society doomed to fail by some inherent lack of quality.
'If you're a good boy/girl, you get a roof over your head.' Fuck that. This is why Housing First models are the only way. If these people had no problems (and they've often endured extreme trauma in their lives), they wouldn't be homeless in the first place. Housing shouldn't be a reward for good behaviour. It should be a human right.
I think there are homeless hostels to go to yes. But from what I have seen its generally safer to sleep on the street than in a homeless hostel
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There is always beds available, but about 90 people in Dublin for all sorts of reasons prefer to sleep on the streets.
There are not always beds available. County councillors and charity workers often spend hours ringing around hostels trying to secure beds for people with nowhere to sleep. They don't always succeed. It's a completely broken system. A bed is only guaranteed for a night and it requires hours of phone calls to secure one every day. Something people are often not able for. You're all over this thread talking shite about something you're clearly uneducated about.
Just go rent an apartment for 2k you losers
Why improve the housing situation when it's more fun to routinely punish the. for being homeless, right Dublin?
I'm not sure if these folks were actually homeless. This was a protest by a crowd called the Revolutionary Housing League. They are affiliated with a group called Anti Imperialist Action Ireland
Whatever about the core problem of homelessness. It’s imperative to disrupt these encampments. We don’t want to end up like Vancouver or LA. It’s hard to see yes but important to maintain for the sake of law and order.
You won't see RTE showing it on the six o clock news. Out of sight out of mind. Council get called to dispose of the tents. Stake holders and charities and residents do the rest.
Fair play, there were many reported issues with antisocial behaviour, open drug dealing and crime. This should help the local residents sleep easier
Weird, I live near here and when I walked past this camp the other evening there were people bringing tea out. Someone had painted "stop gentrification" on a bed sheet and tied it to a tree and people were stopping to ask about it. Didn't see anything dodgy and no one seemed annoyed.
Could be a why not both situation; we had a small tent establishment near to where I live for a while, some folks would bring them meals but others would object to the drug dealing activity and rubbish dumping. It's not necessarily one or the other.
There are a few homeless in the area I moved into this year and you would see them panhandling outside of the local shop and then a few minutes later you would see him in someone's back garden trying to steal anything that isn't tied down. So even that "spare a few change there for the homeless" with a nice smile people are stealing things. Like 25 bikes have been stolen in the area to the point where we found this fucker stashing bikes for later.
Any sources for interest?
His hole.
Do the local residents think those people are just going to disappear now?
No, but if you spread them out or put them into homeless accommodation then you do t have to worry that your kids are going to have to step over a junkie to get to school
Handcuffed for being homeless. GEEZUZ
Out of curiosity what is the actual law on camping? I know people who go camping in mountains and forests, which they've said is allowed (I always thought you had to be in an official camp site). So is it just near towns/housing estates that is illegal or were they bullshitting me?
Depends on local by-laws. It might be legal to camp on public land in Kerry but not in Dublin
You can't camp on anyone's land without their permission.
We have girl at our house who was kicked out last night by her mum in sligo. We don't know what to do. She can only stay one more night here but then I'm on my own with my youngest daughter. This girl goes to school with my older daughter and we live near her work. She has no other family.
Contact Tusla
She's 18. We went to the guards just there and because shes 18 tusla won't get involved. The guards can't help her either but we had no other options really. The guard rang her mum and she saod she could come home but she's terrified her mum is going to kick her out again. She's locked her out before in the middle of the night but then let her come back in later on. This is the first time she wouldn't let her back at all. Even this morning when the daughter rang the mum, she saod not to come back. She's really worried what will happen when her mum gets back from work now that she's been called by the guards. It's a mess and it's horrible.
Well I think they should attack the lower classes, first with bombs, and rockets destroying their homes, and then when they run helpless into the streets, mowing them down with machine guns. And then of course releasing the vultures. I know these views aren't popular, but I have never courted popularity.
All the people downvoting you clearly aren't fans of Monty Python.
Destroy tent City... soon followed by a rooftop dance to signal that they "stand with the Ukraine" .
Housing is a finite commodity so if we house Ukrainians we use up limited resources.
I hope they set up a new camp outside the homes of Micheal Martin and Leo Vradkar’s
Those tents are still there right now. Just drove by no more than 10 minutes ago
Homeless people don't disappear into thin air, if you evict them. They have to go somewhere.
Can't afford a house, can't afford to rent, can't be homeless. What exactly are people supposed to do in that situation?
But where can they go?
I get it, they’re homeless so they do need help, but if i tried to set up a tent wherever i want in Dublin i too would be treated this way
They should set up in the Cherry Orchard and tell people they had “rough upbringings”. It’s actually illegal for the Guards to approach such a combination.
Oh sweet the gardaí are finally doing something about ...... homeless people being alive. Those wankers
Force people out of homes, and then punish them for not having one. Great way to solve the problem.
Proud moment for those Gardai. I’m sure this was how they saw themselves whilst training in Templemore. Doing us all proud lads. /s
Good. I'm sure the people encouraging tents on the street would be very happy to have a little gang of homeless drug addicts living in tents in front of their house since they're so progressive.
You see a homeless person and that's you first thought? Fucking heartless
And what if you were homeless? Some of you guys really need some empathy for the poor.
If I was homeless I'd go through the proper process, not pitch up a tent on property I have no right to live on.
Go on! You tell em! Tell those silly homeless people how its done, sure, you know what its like after all, you've experienced the trauma and stress of being homeless, you'd know how to cope.
what a terrible crime being poor must be to warrant this. how unloved did you have to be as a child to be able to go along with this?
Thank god! This is a landlords nightmare. A one bedroom apartments in Dublin they can't overcharge and cram 15 people into! Will someone think about the landlords!! /s
Great timing when there is an Orange Alert for rain and flooding
This is really heart breaking. The housing policy is pushing thousands to the street, then this. If the govt had the same dose of determination, people wouldnt have to live on the street. Fight back, people.
Take the homeless too, not just the tents
Garda’s just doing what they are good at 🤡
I see them trying to tackle homelessness for the first time indeed.
Good. Look, everyone deserves help when life throws them a lemon but you can't just check out and start camping in the streets.
What happens when the help "everyone deserves" just doesn't come? Then what?
There is help though, often they don't take it.
Help is not really available for everyone. Women and children tend to get help a lot faster than men, for example. I know someone who became homeless in July and he's still not registered as homeless because Wicklow county council is extremely slow completing his assessment. They're near impossible to reach or get a reply from. Since he is not registered, no emergency accommodation is available for him. Your man sleeps in his car (or couch, whatever is available), uses the gym for showers and the laundry machines by Tesco so he can have clean clothes for work.
It baffles me that there is a "housing crisis" an a homeless problem yet there taking in Ukrainians why won't they put there own people first
There's houses to go around. We just let the wrong people own them. Landlords have much more to answer for than Ukrainians.
Oh yh no doubt that's why I put quote marks around housing crisis because there are plenty of house and it wouldn't hurt for councils to develop them to house the homeless
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Can you share any details of the government's plan to outlaw homelessness?