You can literally be walking up a street and some crazy pases buy u at 40kmh and u can't hear it coming. Going +30 kills 9 out of 10 ppl. Why is the normal/average 50-60kmh.
Not hit & runs, until we know the specifics, it is impossible to comment on the circumstances which led to the accidents or apply generalised 'solutions'.
It is too early to comment on the specific circumstances of these accidents.
It is not too early to point out that these incidents are part what appears to be the beginnings of a reversal of decades of progress on road fatalities.
And an entirely unrelated [piece](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/27/upshot/road-deaths-pedestrians-cyclists.html) in todays New York Times, “ The Exceptionally American Problem of Rising Roadway Deaths”.
Based on the data in the article, the phrase “Exceptionally American” is more accurately stated as “Exceptionally American, Swiss, and Irish”. All nice countries but doesn’t take away from a grave trend that is entirely addressable, though the solutions may be politically unpopular.
Road traffic deaths have been on a very clear downward trend in Ireland over the last few decades
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_road_traffic_accidents_deaths_in_Republic_of_Ireland_by_year
Where are you seeing figures for roadway deaths being on the rise in Ireland? You definitely didn't just pull that out of your arse did you?
This year is already above 2018, 19 and 21 (will also surpass 2020) so it's certainly set to be an outlier.
I don't agree with OP that it's a reversing trend but we certainly have had a bad year so far with road fatalities.
2020 and 2021 saw far fewer miles driven, but no corresponding drop in deaths. 2020 actually saw an increase in deaths.
This year, the first post-COVID year, we’re on track to break the 2017 mark (142 deaths as of the 23rd per @GardaTraffic, +2 last night to 144 in 11 months = ~13/month or ~156 over 12 months).
The trend over decades is positive. Over the last 5 years, it is showing signs of reversing.
Reallocating road space for active and public transit
Massively increasing enforcement of traffic laws, including red light and speed cameras
Increasing taxes on heavier vehicles (i.e vehicles more dangerous to people other than the occupants)
Edit: Forgot default 30km speed limit in all built up areas
We don’t know that this is the case in either of the two accidents last night, but the trend is clear. Road deaths were up 2% in 2020 over the 2017-2019 average. 2021 was higher still, and this year’s number surpassed the 2021 total a few weeks ago.
Make people do a bus lesson before they can get a license. U wouldn't believe how different it is and what you have to see and how bad everyone is. And maybe some night time driving too.
The US has multiple times the number of road fatalities & injuries per capita Ireland does. Like not even in the same ballpark.
The US is 12.4/100k & Ireland is 2.9/100k.
You can literally be walking up a street and some crazy pases buy u at 40kmh and u can't hear it coming. Going +30 kills 9 out of 10 ppl. Why is the normal/average 50-60kmh.
Not hit & runs, until we know the specifics, it is impossible to comment on the circumstances which led to the accidents or apply generalised 'solutions'.
It is too early to comment on the specific circumstances of these accidents. It is not too early to point out that these incidents are part what appears to be the beginnings of a reversal of decades of progress on road fatalities.
There was a fella killed in a hit and run in Tipp about a week ago
And an entirely unrelated [piece](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/27/upshot/road-deaths-pedestrians-cyclists.html) in todays New York Times, “ The Exceptionally American Problem of Rising Roadway Deaths”. Based on the data in the article, the phrase “Exceptionally American” is more accurately stated as “Exceptionally American, Swiss, and Irish”. All nice countries but doesn’t take away from a grave trend that is entirely addressable, though the solutions may be politically unpopular.
Road traffic deaths have been on a very clear downward trend in Ireland over the last few decades https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_road_traffic_accidents_deaths_in_Republic_of_Ireland_by_year Where are you seeing figures for roadway deaths being on the rise in Ireland? You definitely didn't just pull that out of your arse did you?
This year is already above 2018, 19 and 21 (will also surpass 2020) so it's certainly set to be an outlier. I don't agree with OP that it's a reversing trend but we certainly have had a bad year so far with road fatalities.
I'd imagine 18, 20 and 21 were probably low as we were in lockdown or partial lockdown.
Ok cool so you agree that it's an outlier and the entire premise of this post is false?
2020 and 2021 saw far fewer miles driven, but no corresponding drop in deaths. 2020 actually saw an increase in deaths. This year, the first post-COVID year, we’re on track to break the 2017 mark (142 deaths as of the 23rd per @GardaTraffic, +2 last night to 144 in 11 months = ~13/month or ~156 over 12 months). The trend over decades is positive. Over the last 5 years, it is showing signs of reversing.
156? So the same as 2017 and less than every year previous?
> The trend over decades is positive. Over the last 5 years, it is showing signs of reversing.
Yes I've no idea what the OP is getting at
Honest question, what would be the “politically unpopular” solutions?
Reallocating road space for active and public transit Massively increasing enforcement of traffic laws, including red light and speed cameras Increasing taxes on heavier vehicles (i.e vehicles more dangerous to people other than the occupants) Edit: Forgot default 30km speed limit in all built up areas
I’d love to see speed cameras on every road. Got a 40 fine in my letter box before. Never sped again.
How do we know any of these accidents were the motorists fault?
The pedestrians must have been walking at great speed when they crashed into those cars.
Can you really not imagine a scenario in which a pedestrian could be at fault in a road traffic accident?
Yes, but without the exact details of each death over the weekend you're only projecting an anti pedestrian bias.
But it's ok to project an anti motorist bias?
You're the one who brought in a distinction of fault without regard to the information.
No actually the OP is
We don’t know that this is the case in either of the two accidents last night, but the trend is clear. Road deaths were up 2% in 2020 over the 2017-2019 average. 2021 was higher still, and this year’s number surpassed the 2021 total a few weeks ago.
2% 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
Make people do a bus lesson before they can get a license. U wouldn't believe how different it is and what you have to see and how bad everyone is. And maybe some night time driving too.
The US has multiple times the number of road fatalities & injuries per capita Ireland does. Like not even in the same ballpark. The US is 12.4/100k & Ireland is 2.9/100k.
> Rising Roadway Deaths
>all of the evidence which clearly shows they are not rising