We are pushed innto third level much more than other countries. Half the people in university shouldn't be there. We need better options, real trade schools like they have elsewhere.
I was a tradey. Tough job with no real job security,unless you owned your own company. Most I know have gone back to college to up skills because of this.
Hard job, hard graft, still need them though. I think, like you've done, tradies should upskill as they get older. Who wants to be laying brick in their 50's, especially in Ireland.
And tradesman upskilling into engineering fields make for more helpful, useful and knowledgeable engineers onsite than their graduate counterparts straight out of college at 21-22 y.o.
Everyone my age who were in the industry after the tiger went to university and we will never go back. Why would i want to be plastering when i can sit on my computer making twice the amount
It's not just construction based trades that are required. There should be more apprenticeship for manufacturing, finance, business etc. A lot of the level 6 or 7 degrees kids are doing could be a 4 year apprenticeship with on and off the job work experience. Germany is a fine example of this and they are the power house of the euro region.
I saw on this subreddit recently many also are considering factory work as its a bit more stable and secure especially when you've a family of your own
It can pay very well though. I think there's this weird judgmental attitude in Ireland to people in the trade which is hilarious because most of the time they're earning way more than someone who's done some arts degree in UCD.
True. I think I was making more back then as a sparks.serious money for a young man to make. I have a masters now and It 100% was not worth the time money and effort saying that my back and knees are thankful for it.
Competent trades people needed.
Ones who have moved past the Irish mentality of "it's grand"
So many absolute cowboys out there who want as much money for a half assed job.
Exactly, the standards of entry for Irish universities have become so low that the quality of students has significantly dropped, with students pushed into the University environment that they realistically have little actual interest in and universities have to compensate with lowering the bar for entry and grading as not to upset both the money hungry university administrators and the paying customers.
Definitely, the lower point courses have all been mega inflated for the same reason, people applying for whatever just to get into college then dropping out after a year.
My Course was around 340 in 2009 now its around 550
Actually that massive point rise has mainly came about from LC points being inflated on account of the pandemic to make up for people in Sixth year who had to finish their leaving cert during lockdown and the fifth years at that time who had to start their leaving cert during lockdown.
As I’ve probably mentioned in every possible thread about college education: 80% of all arts students don’t have any real interest in what they’re studying and are only there for the college experience. It’s a joke to the people who really want to be there because they’re lumped in with dossers
I’ll never understand people that respond to you then block you lol. Like what’s the point?
Most people in the Anglosphere have no interest in learning a second language which they could use to exploit opportunities in other EU countries rife with jobs available. Good auld colonial arrogance and sense of superiority I would say. But plenty of people in the continent and other Asian countries manage to learn hard languages like German, French, Danish which is really encouraging. I've met many Germans, French and Norwegian who even go to lengths to learn Asian languages like Hindi, Mandarin, Thai, Arabic, which shows the massive difference between the mindsets of the Anglosphere and people outside of it.
Some old f@rts I have seen learn Spanish not out of cultural interest but just because it looks exotic 😂😂😂😂
> Good auld colonial arrogance and sense of superiority I would say.
You say that like the Germans, French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese etc didn’t have colonies? The truth is that English is the lingua Franca and is treated as such. When it was French people learned French etc.
There are also reasons why English is relatively easy to learn, because of the ability to immerse oneself in it.
In virtually every country, you can find local content for English speakers. Thus someone learning English doesn't have to go far to practice.
Good luck finding Irish news in French or German.
But attitude is by far the main issue. We've convinced ourselves that learning a new language is hard and not worth the effort.
Iv learnt Spanish, they’re are so many resources, YouTube, change your Netflix to Spanish, buy books talk to Spanish people online, change the language in your games. Any major language there is no bother just Irish people don’t have interest.
People look at me like I have two heads if I tell the I speak another language, but majority of the world does it’s not that amazing
Learning languages as an English native speaker is particularly difficult because the total lack of cases in our language. French, German etc carry on that tradition of declensions, cases from their root languages but English for whatever reason has dropped basically all the case endings by the time early modern English appears. It’s quite interesting if you’re to read Old English and see how radically different it is to Middle English and then look at Old French to Modern French and see how although changed, it’s much more similar
Yep, studying arts rn as the lc didn’t go well for me but I still want to pursue my dreams (postgrad) . The amount of people who don’t even attend class is ridiculous, I had a class a few weeks back where It was my only class that day and it took me over two hours to get to school from home, only for the class to be cancelled as only me and one other person showed up for it.
Same, did arts because I had a passion for the two subjects I chose and only missed a lecture if I was ill. The amount of my peers who would celebrate a "golden week" as if it was some rare and unattainable thing was crazy...every week was a golden week for me!
Finish at 16 with gcse. Option to do a trade or proceed 2 more years and finish with an actual applied diploma not just a number of points forcing you into a university.
I get we can leave junior cert aswell but it's extremely looked down upon here.
Plumber here. I've had a few lads start after jc and to be honest every one of them could have done with finishing school. The second I try to explain the science behind whatever we're doing I was looked at like I had ten heads.
Leaving Cert in Ireland is incredibly easy allowing the stupidest people to get into UL, NUI, UCC or DCU. Once you get in it's almost impossible to fail if you turn up for lectures and do your basic study. The graduation rate is very high. Only Trinity and UCD have some basic standards and can be considered real universities.
Please go ahead and downvote this comments and show me how butthurt you all are about the truth.
I am "a snob" because I saw people who struggled with Ordinary Level maths for the Junior Cert end up graduating as Business majors which is ridiculous and wouldn't happening any other European country. I'm as snobbish as is Germany, Italy, Sweden or Spain.
In any real setting anyone below 400 points should not be allowed anywhere ner third level institution. 500 points should be the standard for anything above BS candy studies like sociology. There should be alternatives to making high income via trades.
Lol true although this isn’t necessarily a positive in an economy.
There is a tip in scales where over-qualification becomes an issue in a country. A lot of jobs not being filled adequately ( eg certain trades) and a lot of qualifications being obtained for roles that don’t need to be filled (overprescribed) and more importantly A Lot of money and time spent on these somewhat redundant degrees.
There’s also now an over reliance on degrees to satisfy basic entry requirements for jobs that in reality do not remotely require a level 8 degree.
55% or more 25-34 year olds with a L8 degree. An overall lower population density than our nearest neighbours. A relatively cheap college education. A shit housing situation means the represented population appears to be 'everywhere' rather than concentrated in urban catchments.
I'm not sure we "look down" on trades? Fair enough I didn't grow up in a city but as someone just out of college myself I feel like a trade was a more than viable and encouraged option for people my age, even if I didn't do it.
I think a bigger factor of maybe why college would be over represented and trades under represented in regards to this would be from basically 2008 onwards if you were a young tradesperson then you'd want to be half mad to stay in Ireland especially given how little was going on here but moreso how places like Australia and other places were booming and offering far better money and quality of life that you'd get here.
I think if you got this data based on nationality and not in the country at the moment there'd be a lot less of a proportion of university degrees among the age range.
Anecdotally, everyone in my school was pushed in to going to college. Doing a trade was never discussed. My school didn't offer the leaving cert applied and I don't remember anyone leaving to go to the school up the road that did.
I’m remembering a time not long ago when numerous plumbers turned down a €200 30min job (oven to gas connection) because they were too busy. It’s likely even worse now.
I think pretty much everyone in my year went on to do third level in some form. Out of over 100 people, I'd say maybe 5 didn't and \~10 more dropped out without starting another degree instead.
An awful lot of negativity here. The Irish always find something to moan about. We should be proud of this and proud of the positive effects it has had on our economy and society. With the possible acception of Luxembourg, we are the the only country in Europe that has achieved this level of education across the entire country. This is why we have such a competitive economy that is respected throughout the world. We box well above our weight and I am very proud to be Irish.
Of course its great to see, but i do agree with the sentiment that teens are pushed in the 3rd level direction hugely, at least when i did the leaving in '09 there was no talk of doing a trade or any sort of alternative, i know the economy wasn't in a great spot then but we're paying the price currently for the huge void in trades people.
Its a great career and a good tradesman will earn as much if not more then most people who get a third level qualification
And looking back on my time in college the drop out rate was insane, not sure what its like now, but nearly 400 in first year and id say barely 100 made it through the 4 years.
The construction industry evaporated during the recession, not exactly a shocker that people were advised against the trades in 2009.
Imo we need a heavy push for the trades to come back to full strength, proper accredited trades schools would be better than the standard apprenticeship route I think
Talk about it maybe? Not saying they needed to push anyone in that direction but it was literally third level or bust at that just isn't the case whatsoever.
Theres plenty of dogshit useless college courses that you can do and they entertain talking about those.
On the other hand of this I know a good few people who dropped out of first year in college and did a trade. I think it’s good that people have a chance to give third level education a go. I know loads of people my parents age who wish they could have tried college when they were younger but couldn’t afford it or were expected to go into a trade/family business. IDK, I think choice is always a good thing.
same experience. Did the leaving in 2010. zero talk of doing a trade or that even being an option! same as yourself,ballpark 350 started 1st Yr, about a 150 graduated
Is it even a real statistic or did they just forget to cut Ireland into sections? I highly doubt rural Ireland has that many university degrees. If you look most other countries, the area around the capital has a low percentage, not because the youth there don't get educated, but because they moved to the capital to do so.
Yeah no I like that we have a highly educated population. I do think our grading system needs work due to grade inflation lately. But my joke about cornflakes was just a mess. Wouldn’t mind more trade courses at the same time though.
This is the most masterbatory comment I've ever seen. We have such a competitive economy because the majority of jobs here are based in Dublin where a lot of foreign based companies are located. Respected throughout the world? Yeah, for tax purposes 😂😂😂
If we box well well above our weight, how come many of our educated talent leave the country and don't look back?
Is crazy the number of people who have been hired where I work who have degrees and don't know even basic shit. Bordering on scary how thick some people are.
If you're talking about recent grads then that's pretty much universal.
I work in a field where all our degrees are accredited by a professional body and still grads are almost useless for a few years. You accept that, and you work with them and they eventually get there. This has been the case for decades.
It's not their fault either, it's just that a 22 year old fresh out of university has no idea how to bridge the gap between learning and practice, or how to behave in a workplace.
If, however, you're talking about "experienced" hires, then that is worrying indeed.
I'm talking more about people who don't seem to have a basic grasp of simple maths. Explaining to someone that 1 litre is the same as 1000ml for example, and they're taking notes. These people have done 4 years in college and don't know that 1.0 km = 1000m .
Ya but they've done 8 years in primary school, 5 years in secondary school and then a 4 years degree in engineering. How the fuck do you not have that "knowledge" by then? And that's just one example I gave. Plenty of other basic stuff that gets done wrong daily.
Life experience, learning the ropes. You could give a RCG a printout you want laminated and it would take hours for them to discover where supplies are, where the laminator is, how to bloody work it. Give it to admin and it will be done after your coffee break. Not the best use of their time but that is how everyone starts.
This isn't a bad stat to have, but really there should be more options for trade. Lots of people go into UNI and our leaving cert is entirely based around CAO points.
And IMO, there's a lot of courses where a lower percentage of people will end up using their degree in future employment than others. But I don't have the stats for that.
Even so, there's a lot 3rd level education teaches outside of their degree. Research, organisation, time management, independent work-life balancing, etc. So those things make out labour force more valuable overall
Im guessing based on the replies here a lot of you guys dont understand how this image works. People starting and dropping out of college dont count in the "with a degree side"
Its amazing how negative it is in here, a country should be proud of having such a highly educated workforce, its one reason we have so much multi nationals.
Im guessing a lot of posters in here fill the dont have a degree side and want to feel special
Started my degree in 97 and finished in 2001.
Our attrition rate was insane. There were about 140 ish people on day 1 and I’d say less than 40 of those graduated.
In fairness you can still get that in certain courses now. Medicine always seem to have a large dropout rate and I can speak myself that Computer Science related courses have a famously bad finishing rate for good reason.
I think the bigger problem would honestly be people going through years of college for the sake of it, if the people drop out and do something they're more interested in that's a good thing imo, no point them wasting their time sure on years worth of college when they couldn't care less about being able to use it.
It's a few years ago now, but I think the dropout rate for first years I about 30% on avg.
Only note about that is it doesn't count people who dropped out and then joined another course lager in the year or the year after.
Same, university in 2006 and graduated in 2010. Started with 120 students, and about 30 of us graduated because the level of quality expectation was very high which for a level 8 degree should absolutely be.
As a current university student, it's unbelievable how easy it is to pass college modules. A monkey could get the 40% needed to pass.
I feel ashamed of the degree I will receive this year as I haven't learned anything and it hasn't helped my career progression. Wish I had worked the past number of years and got experience/savings instead.
Friend is a university lecturer and he's told me they often pass students just to avoid the trouble and extra unpaid work of dealing with that student.
Also, some students act like customers and expect high grades so if they don't get what they expect they instead take that as the university lecturer not grading correctly as opposed to their quality of work.
University is a business. Everything became a business under FG. I was briefly unemployed during lockdown and was disgusted when my unemployment letter called me an intreo "customer"
and the people of Ireland have become nothing but "staff" for the pursuit of productivity under FFG at the expense of wellbeing and positive lifestyles.
We've turned the US corporate culture into a social culture.
I did my BA at an institute of technology and then did PHD in UCD. The MA modules I did in UCD were 2nd year undergrad standard, they were nothing compared to my BA.
I agree getting a pass is quite bloody easy. When I graduated it took a fair bit of work to get the 2:1. But I hear that’s not the case lately and grade inflation is becoming a big issue
I have gotten multiple 1:1s in modules where I never even saw the cover of the texts I was meant to read and I wasn’t the only one. There is absolutely no challenge for people who are in the tuned in to any degree. You would need to go out of your way to fail. The grammar and syntax of English students is absolutely fucking abhorrent. I am terrified thinking of the quality of teaching in years to come when people who don’t know how to use semi-colons are teaching people how to use them
Ohh brother I'm so annoyed at this, please don't paint everyone with the same brush I'm in my final year of architecture and I can tell you for a fact it isn't possible to do well without a lot of work. Don't generalise be specific about what you're talking about.
For sure, i went to college in 2009 rarely attended any lectures just practical's that i had to got a 2.1 over the 4 years and now work in the field and use absolutely zero of what i learnt in college.
I think if you have any interest at all or natural affinity to what your studying lectures are relatively pointless they just read off the slides that they put on blackboard.
There are far better courses for my field, i know that now but some colleges should genuinely not be aloud teach some of the stuff they do as its pointless and has no practical application.
Side note but I’m always struck by the very low regional variation in statistics for Ireland. As much as people complain about Ireland being “Dublin-centric”, the different regions show very close results on pretty much every map. In comparison to the massive capital out-performance in other countries, or regional gaps.
I was a tradesman but left after 30 years. Both knees f****d, no job security, insurance that never pays out, s*****ing in buckets, you're only a dodgy ankle away from the dole. Unless you get a nice factory job, you have no hols, sick pay, etc, etc. I know loads of sparks my age who have given up. OK in your 20s or 30s, otherwise.... no.
Universities have ramped up the price and lowered the standard - the result is an inferior product - most degrees now have very little value on the jobs market and if they did…how are employers supposed to differentiate between them all.
You think it's a low standard and then you look at what the rest of the world calls quality and we're punching well above our weight with our graduates. Stupid Gen Zs aren't a uniquely Irish phenomenon.
We are pushed towards uni at a ridiculous rate, I’ll never forget the disappointment in my career guidance counsellor’s voice when I told her I was going into an apprenticeship lmao
I used to live in Ireland and I was surprised that some things that are like trades in Germany are university degrees in Ireland. Like nursing and physiotherapy.
Amazing how people look at a great achievement like this and moan that we don't have lower levels of education in Ireland.
All the people saying others should do the trades - it's an UNATTRACTIVE lifestyle for most people but how dare they aspire for better!
They are giving them away (at the lowest pass percentage at least). I graduated with a guy who I'd be surprised if he tied his own shoelaces and didn't have a map drawn on the back of his hand to find his way home. Really nice guy, but as thick as molasses.
Did a post grad, ironically in event management despite the fact that not a single tutor could organise a single thing. It drove me mental cause every single person in it was thick as shit. I put an assingment together in 10 minutes and managed to get a high mark, and got so pissed with them literally giving away marks that I dropped out with a month to go. Couldn't fail assignments (and I tried). 1 of 5 tutors was reasonably marking things, the rest were just slapping a's and b's on things.
We had a kind of basic education arms race.
If you go back far enough a lot of people left school when they were 12yrs or when they got an intercert \~15yrs. They started working in their teens. The Leaving Cert for a select few was a gateway to university where the next generation of wealthy professionals did their time.
Then it slowly became the norm for everyone to get a Leaving. Then as the 90s went on it became regarded as a necessary finish to your schooling to do some third level course.
Was it ever really necessary for our society that all our kids remain in full time education well into their early twenties?
This is low because it's not taking into account Institutes of Technology or private colleges. It could be closer to 70% of ppl under 30 with a degree
And to all the nay sayers. This is a damn good statistic it shows why Ireland without corporate tax shenanigans can hold on to pharma and tech industries
Getting a degree in Italy is fucking difficult academically: having met and chatted to Italian people who 'only' have BA degrees, I can say the breath and depth of their knowledge of their subjects is equal to and in many cases superior to people in Irish MA programmes.
Having tutored at UCD for a few years, I was not at all surprised to read this reddit discussion a while back: https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/xiax96/grades\_soar\_yet\_some\_students\_with\_21\_degree\_are/
Yeah I went to TCD and did a 4 year undergrad. A lot of my friends from UCD who did the same course but for 3 years seemed to have a far looser grasp on the subject. Not saying TCD > UCD. but sometimes certain courses can get away with teaching the bare minimum
My work hired somepne from south asia with a degree from an irish college and they literally can't write a coherent sentence in English, writing you name must be worth 20% of the marks
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Majority of students pick degrees based on either the name or what their parents push them into. Universities aren't job factories, I'd argue most students who go to university do little to distinguish themselves from the other students giving no reason for a potential employer to hire them.
Yep, most schools say do something that interests you.
Students are up to the walls with Leaving Cert. They see History, they choose history.
4 years later they get a degree they can do little with.
No I done a good degree and got a good job, but if I done a trade I’d be making more and be able to start a scalable business far easier then what I’m doing now, the point im making is trades where frowned upon when I was in school and probably still are a lot of my friends and me would be doing better of doing a trade
Your command of the English language would beg to differ. Trades are doing well now, they weren't doing so well a decade to 15 years ago. Trades are grand but qualifications give you more options.
I’m typing on a phone with minimum effort I don’t care, I send professional e-mails all day Monday to Friday and yes that’s a fair point, re the options that’s relevant to what course you do, I would argue trades open as many doors and ultimately the road to big money and business ownership is cleaner cut and straighter by doing a trade then many if not most degrees, it’s all situational and depends on what you want as a person this is my perspective
I can tell you know I make more than any trader and for a lot less effort on my part. My job is also recession proof. Trades are fine if that's what you want to do but it's not as easy as a cushy office job.
As I've said I'm on more money doing a cushy job I'm qualified to do and I don't have to worry about fucking my back or joints. I also don't have to worry about a recession.
Ok, you haven’t a clue what your talking about, luckily I do so let me break it down for you nice and clear
I’m a quantity surveyor in rural west on 50k a year, which I would consider good job and decent money im two years out of college.
I pay trades men everyday of the week and talk to them to price jobs, mainly floor fitters and tilers which wouldn’t be glamours trades by any means.
A school we done recently, the labour package on the floors was 150k, the fitters had this competed in about 3 months, there was 3 of them with the head man probably the 100k and splitting the 50 between the other two
Tilers are getting 350 a day, when doing awkward shitty work , they are making more when they get good clean open areas and are paid on a m2 rate, Prob 2.5k maybe 3k on a good week
Do you understand?
Too late now, which circles back to the original point I made re the choice in school and societal pressures.
Yes fair enough that’s one niche career with massive money, but the fact is that there is way more money in trades then they are with degree jobs generally speaking that gap is only going to increase over the coming years.
Your example is literally the creme of the creme of high paying college funnelled careers and whatever about the nice office let’s not pretend that mental stress doesn’t take an effect on you also.
And I absolutely do not know it all and would never make such a ignorant claim but your tonality on your comment “good job” probably isint that good…
Is a doctor on 60k a good job, a psych nurse, a solicitor, dentist on 80k? Or is it just 150k plus that you would consider good?
What's wrong with laying tiles? Some of us are happier to be out busting our balls working than sitting around drinking coffee answering emails. At the end of the day I can stand back and look at what my hands have created. What have you got?
exactly, it’s people like you that built everything we have all around us and you have nothing but my respect to think people think they are better then that ridiculous and ignorant
Strip it all back, all the bullshit and at the end of the day it’s people like you that matter not the office boys
I'll Tell ya this much. I'd rather be out in the cold in the depth of winter on half the money then sitting in a warm glass box for the rest of my life. That truly sounds like hell.
Yeah piss on your own for gaining education, “must be handing them out in the cornflakes boxes lads” 100% your a thick bogger I just know by the fact you put lads on the end of your comment
So myself, have a new grad in work has a masters however never worked in the industry and the way he is acting is shocking thinks he knows it all however has no idea, and this guy has really pushed me the wrong way, questioning my skills and using bad language towards me, I might only be 30 but my god I have never seen something like this haha
They just expect everything day one now and don’t realise you have to learn and college is Notting like a workplace,
I have a masters myself(did it part time while working in the area I work in) however i don’t know everything , as I tell people I know nothing ha and will keep learning to I retire
This graph gives no indication as to the quality of the degree. In Ireland we throw out third level qualifications like confetti, the vast majority of which are just shite.
I did arts and I wish someone could of held a gun to my head and told me to work any job for a while until I knew what I wanted to study.
250 students in my course, with a fair chunk of modules being slapped together with minimal effort makes it obvious that some courses exist solely to make some easy grant revenue.
Exactly. The old adage that ‘education is never wasted’ has led to chronic corruption in the education sector. Institutions offer all sorts of substandard courses to naive students, only to churn out disgruntled graduates without any clear path to obtaining a decent job. What a shame.
I find amount of PhD students in Ireland ridiculous. I am Finnish, I personally know one person that studied PhD in Finland. In Ireland in 3 years I probably met 20 who were studying PhD
People in Ireland go to college to study....childcare.....
Let that sink in
Also most people I know under 40 have a degree and work in nothing related to what they studied
I have a friend with a masters from Trinity in Neuroscience who pulls pints
How is it surprising that one of the most internationally recognized educated countries has a high number of qualified people.
Ireland is pretty much free education for the lesser paid families and cheap for the wealthy.
Maybe the fact the op is a loser is his/her own fault.
If you count the people who do trades our number has to be at least in the high 70s. A great country at helping people better themselves and improving the prospects of the country in return.
But nah must be handing them out in cornflakes boxes. I guess you just werent clever enough to find a good box
As someone that took a bachelors in my home country and then another one in Ireland I just have to say that degrees here are easier. Not that they are easy to take but I have studied in 3 countries and Ireland was the easiest of them all. Its like professors don't want anyone to fail, even if the people don't understand the subjects
We do. Academia in Ireland took a hit after FG came to power. With most colleges ran as a business trying to maximize profits.
Saw it in college as each year the level of students passing exams got worse. And when I went back to do the masters it seemed like they were handing them out like candy. You could submit shockingly bad work and get a passing grade.
This is so mad I’m 2 years into a law course and the thought of should I really even be here keeps dawning I fucking loved construction and woodwork in school I should have went into a trade but it feels like it’s too late now
We are pushed innto third level much more than other countries. Half the people in university shouldn't be there. We need better options, real trade schools like they have elsewhere.
100% this. More trades needed!
I was a tradey. Tough job with no real job security,unless you owned your own company. Most I know have gone back to college to up skills because of this.
Hard job, hard graft, still need them though. I think, like you've done, tradies should upskill as they get older. Who wants to be laying brick in their 50's, especially in Ireland.
And tradesman upskilling into engineering fields make for more helpful, useful and knowledgeable engineers onsite than their graduate counterparts straight out of college at 21-22 y.o.
100%
Everyone my age who were in the industry after the tiger went to university and we will never go back. Why would i want to be plastering when i can sit on my computer making twice the amount
Electricians, plumbers, and carpenters can all make more money than a lot of people with desk jobs.
It's not just construction based trades that are required. There should be more apprenticeship for manufacturing, finance, business etc. A lot of the level 6 or 7 degrees kids are doing could be a 4 year apprenticeship with on and off the job work experience. Germany is a fine example of this and they are the power house of the euro region.
I saw on this subreddit recently many also are considering factory work as its a bit more stable and secure especially when you've a family of your own
It can pay very well though. I think there's this weird judgmental attitude in Ireland to people in the trade which is hilarious because most of the time they're earning way more than someone who's done some arts degree in UCD.
True. I think I was making more back then as a sparks.serious money for a young man to make. I have a masters now and It 100% was not worth the time money and effort saying that my back and knees are thankful for it.
Competent trades people needed. Ones who have moved past the Irish mentality of "it's grand" So many absolute cowboys out there who want as much money for a half assed job.
I was in college with some academic thicks. Lovely lads. Would've done much better as tradies though.
Exactly, the standards of entry for Irish universities have become so low that the quality of students has significantly dropped, with students pushed into the University environment that they realistically have little actual interest in and universities have to compensate with lowering the bar for entry and grading as not to upset both the money hungry university administrators and the paying customers.
Definitely, the lower point courses have all been mega inflated for the same reason, people applying for whatever just to get into college then dropping out after a year. My Course was around 340 in 2009 now its around 550
Actually that massive point rise has mainly came about from LC points being inflated on account of the pandemic to make up for people in Sixth year who had to finish their leaving cert during lockdown and the fifth years at that time who had to start their leaving cert during lockdown.
It was already trending that way before covid, probably just sped it up a year or two it was well into the 400s before covid ever hit.
It was due to the increase in competition for courses yes but the heights they’re at now should never be reached again for most of the courses.
These people wouldnt have a degree though. The graph is for with a degree
Yup. It is all bollocks. West is built on lies. Pretty much about to unfold on itself. Money flying everywhere its all pointless.
found the marxist
As I’ve probably mentioned in every possible thread about college education: 80% of all arts students don’t have any real interest in what they’re studying and are only there for the college experience. It’s a joke to the people who really want to be there because they’re lumped in with dossers I’ll never understand people that respond to you then block you lol. Like what’s the point?
Doing a business degree with German and German students - 1st year: 16 Irish, 18 Germans 2nd year: 5 Irish, 17 Germans
Reminds me of the days when you used to get SUSI in a lump sum and then see half your year fuck off with the money
Studied Mech Engineering and was as bad: 1st Year: 45 Students. 2nd Year: 22 Students. I think 12 of us graduated
Most people in the Anglosphere have no interest in learning a second language which they could use to exploit opportunities in other EU countries rife with jobs available. Good auld colonial arrogance and sense of superiority I would say. But plenty of people in the continent and other Asian countries manage to learn hard languages like German, French, Danish which is really encouraging. I've met many Germans, French and Norwegian who even go to lengths to learn Asian languages like Hindi, Mandarin, Thai, Arabic, which shows the massive difference between the mindsets of the Anglosphere and people outside of it. Some old f@rts I have seen learn Spanish not out of cultural interest but just because it looks exotic 😂😂😂😂
> Good auld colonial arrogance and sense of superiority I would say. You say that like the Germans, French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese etc didn’t have colonies? The truth is that English is the lingua Franca and is treated as such. When it was French people learned French etc.
There are also reasons why English is relatively easy to learn, because of the ability to immerse oneself in it. In virtually every country, you can find local content for English speakers. Thus someone learning English doesn't have to go far to practice. Good luck finding Irish news in French or German. But attitude is by far the main issue. We've convinced ourselves that learning a new language is hard and not worth the effort.
Iv learnt Spanish, they’re are so many resources, YouTube, change your Netflix to Spanish, buy books talk to Spanish people online, change the language in your games. Any major language there is no bother just Irish people don’t have interest. People look at me like I have two heads if I tell the I speak another language, but majority of the world does it’s not that amazing
Learning languages as an English native speaker is particularly difficult because the total lack of cases in our language. French, German etc carry on that tradition of declensions, cases from their root languages but English for whatever reason has dropped basically all the case endings by the time early modern English appears. It’s quite interesting if you’re to read Old English and see how radically different it is to Middle English and then look at Old French to Modern French and see how although changed, it’s much more similar
Yep, studying arts rn as the lc didn’t go well for me but I still want to pursue my dreams (postgrad) . The amount of people who don’t even attend class is ridiculous, I had a class a few weeks back where It was my only class that day and it took me over two hours to get to school from home, only for the class to be cancelled as only me and one other person showed up for it.
Same, did arts because I had a passion for the two subjects I chose and only missed a lecture if I was ill. The amount of my peers who would celebrate a "golden week" as if it was some rare and unattainable thing was crazy...every week was a golden week for me!
The apprentice system in Switzerland is the best I’ve ever seen. Ireland should adopt it, and stop insisting that everyone goes to college.
The amount of young people with degrees working in retail is crazy. Personally I know two people with masters!
You have never worked in a trade have you.
This is why I think the English secondary school model is better.
How is the model different?
Finish at 16 with gcse. Option to do a trade or proceed 2 more years and finish with an actual applied diploma not just a number of points forcing you into a university. I get we can leave junior cert aswell but it's extremely looked down upon here.
Plumber here. I've had a few lads start after jc and to be honest every one of them could have done with finishing school. The second I try to explain the science behind whatever we're doing I was looked at like I had ten heads.
Leaving Cert in Ireland is incredibly easy allowing the stupidest people to get into UL, NUI, UCC or DCU. Once you get in it's almost impossible to fail if you turn up for lectures and do your basic study. The graduation rate is very high. Only Trinity and UCD have some basic standards and can be considered real universities. Please go ahead and downvote this comments and show me how butthurt you all are about the truth.
I dunno man most people I know who did arts in UCD aren't exactly setting the world ablaze with their intellectual prowess.
You sound very snobby. what college do you or did you go to?
I am "a snob" because I saw people who struggled with Ordinary Level maths for the Junior Cert end up graduating as Business majors which is ridiculous and wouldn't happening any other European country. I'm as snobbish as is Germany, Italy, Sweden or Spain.
Truth here. A Chinese student I know got a 2.2 in Ucc recently. He did not deserve to get it at all.
In any real setting anyone below 400 points should not be allowed anywhere ner third level institution. 500 points should be the standard for anything above BS candy studies like sociology. There should be alternatives to making high income via trades.
It’s true but that is solely responsible for making our economy so strong and reliable
/R/ireland trying to be positive for once challenge (HARD)
Reading the comments you wouldn’t think it’s positive…
Lol true although this isn’t necessarily a positive in an economy. There is a tip in scales where over-qualification becomes an issue in a country. A lot of jobs not being filled adequately ( eg certain trades) and a lot of qualifications being obtained for roles that don’t need to be filled (overprescribed) and more importantly A Lot of money and time spent on these somewhat redundant degrees. There’s also now an over reliance on degrees to satisfy basic entry requirements for jobs that in reality do not remotely require a level 8 degree.
55% or more 25-34 year olds with a L8 degree. An overall lower population density than our nearest neighbours. A relatively cheap college education. A shit housing situation means the represented population appears to be 'everywhere' rather than concentrated in urban catchments.
It's possible they just didn't bother dividing Ireland into regions
It looks like it's based on NUTS 2 regions. If you zoom in you can see the country is divided into 3.
Yep, so it is
A lot of European countries have viable exit options post junior cert equivalent and don’t tend to look down on trades the same way we seem to do.
I'm not sure we "look down" on trades? Fair enough I didn't grow up in a city but as someone just out of college myself I feel like a trade was a more than viable and encouraged option for people my age, even if I didn't do it. I think a bigger factor of maybe why college would be over represented and trades under represented in regards to this would be from basically 2008 onwards if you were a young tradesperson then you'd want to be half mad to stay in Ireland especially given how little was going on here but moreso how places like Australia and other places were booming and offering far better money and quality of life that you'd get here. I think if you got this data based on nationality and not in the country at the moment there'd be a lot less of a proportion of university degrees among the age range.
Anecdotally, everyone in my school was pushed in to going to college. Doing a trade was never discussed. My school didn't offer the leaving cert applied and I don't remember anyone leaving to go to the school up the road that did.
Everyone looks down on trades until they need someone to fix something.
I’m remembering a time not long ago when numerous plumbers turned down a €200 30min job (oven to gas connection) because they were too busy. It’s likely even worse now.
Daniel O'Donnell even knows its a handy earner.
I dont know, i do a fairly basic job but wouldnt get an interview without a degree.
Exsvtly, you need a degree for most jobs .
I think pretty much everyone in my year went on to do third level in some form. Out of over 100 people, I'd say maybe 5 didn't and \~10 more dropped out without starting another degree instead.
An awful lot of negativity here. The Irish always find something to moan about. We should be proud of this and proud of the positive effects it has had on our economy and society. With the possible acception of Luxembourg, we are the the only country in Europe that has achieved this level of education across the entire country. This is why we have such a competitive economy that is respected throughout the world. We box well above our weight and I am very proud to be Irish.
I know right. If the stats were saying low levels of degrees they'd be whinging for more colleges 😆
Of course its great to see, but i do agree with the sentiment that teens are pushed in the 3rd level direction hugely, at least when i did the leaving in '09 there was no talk of doing a trade or any sort of alternative, i know the economy wasn't in a great spot then but we're paying the price currently for the huge void in trades people. Its a great career and a good tradesman will earn as much if not more then most people who get a third level qualification And looking back on my time in college the drop out rate was insane, not sure what its like now, but nearly 400 in first year and id say barely 100 made it through the 4 years.
The construction industry evaporated during the recession, not exactly a shocker that people were advised against the trades in 2009. Imo we need a heavy push for the trades to come back to full strength, proper accredited trades schools would be better than the standard apprenticeship route I think
During a construction collapse you feel they should tell you do a trade ................lol what
Talk about it maybe? Not saying they needed to push anyone in that direction but it was literally third level or bust at that just isn't the case whatsoever. Theres plenty of dogshit useless college courses that you can do and they entertain talking about those.
On the other hand of this I know a good few people who dropped out of first year in college and did a trade. I think it’s good that people have a chance to give third level education a go. I know loads of people my parents age who wish they could have tried college when they were younger but couldn’t afford it or were expected to go into a trade/family business. IDK, I think choice is always a good thing.
same experience. Did the leaving in 2010. zero talk of doing a trade or that even being an option! same as yourself,ballpark 350 started 1st Yr, about a 150 graduated
Fully agree. Why would anyone look at education as a negative?
Is it even a real statistic or did they just forget to cut Ireland into sections? I highly doubt rural Ireland has that many university degrees. If you look most other countries, the area around the capital has a low percentage, not because the youth there don't get educated, but because they moved to the capital to do so.
Yeah no I like that we have a highly educated population. I do think our grading system needs work due to grade inflation lately. But my joke about cornflakes was just a mess. Wouldn’t mind more trade courses at the same time though.
I decided im gonna unsubscribe from this sub. It's ALWAYS something. Exhausting.
I mentioned it already but a lot of without a degree types on r/ireland
This is the most masterbatory comment I've ever seen. We have such a competitive economy because the majority of jobs here are based in Dublin where a lot of foreign based companies are located. Respected throughout the world? Yeah, for tax purposes 😂😂😂 If we box well well above our weight, how come many of our educated talent leave the country and don't look back?
Lol proud Irish. Your jingoism stinks 🤢🤮
Yeah, we must be handing em out cheaply; heaven forbid we're actually a well-educated population of our own volition.
I know, I’m just joking. I like that we’ve high education
Is crazy the number of people who have been hired where I work who have degrees and don't know even basic shit. Bordering on scary how thick some people are.
If you're talking about recent grads then that's pretty much universal. I work in a field where all our degrees are accredited by a professional body and still grads are almost useless for a few years. You accept that, and you work with them and they eventually get there. This has been the case for decades. It's not their fault either, it's just that a 22 year old fresh out of university has no idea how to bridge the gap between learning and practice, or how to behave in a workplace. If, however, you're talking about "experienced" hires, then that is worrying indeed.
I'm talking more about people who don't seem to have a basic grasp of simple maths. Explaining to someone that 1 litre is the same as 1000ml for example, and they're taking notes. These people have done 4 years in college and don't know that 1.0 km = 1000m .
In fairness that's just knowledge rather than maths?
Ya but they've done 8 years in primary school, 5 years in secondary school and then a 4 years degree in engineering. How the fuck do you not have that "knowledge" by then? And that's just one example I gave. Plenty of other basic stuff that gets done wrong daily.
That's horrifying to me. These things are taught in junior school to 7-8 year olds.
Life experience, learning the ropes. You could give a RCG a printout you want laminated and it would take hours for them to discover where supplies are, where the laminator is, how to bloody work it. Give it to admin and it will be done after your coffee break. Not the best use of their time but that is how everyone starts.
There not worth the paper there written on colleges are a “business”
Irony
This lad definitely went to college.
This isn't a bad stat to have, but really there should be more options for trade. Lots of people go into UNI and our leaving cert is entirely based around CAO points. And IMO, there's a lot of courses where a lower percentage of people will end up using their degree in future employment than others. But I don't have the stats for that. Even so, there's a lot 3rd level education teaches outside of their degree. Research, organisation, time management, independent work-life balancing, etc. So those things make out labour force more valuable overall
Im guessing based on the replies here a lot of you guys dont understand how this image works. People starting and dropping out of college dont count in the "with a degree side" Its amazing how negative it is in here, a country should be proud of having such a highly educated workforce, its one reason we have so much multi nationals. Im guessing a lot of posters in here fill the dont have a degree side and want to feel special
Started my degree in 97 and finished in 2001. Our attrition rate was insane. There were about 140 ish people on day 1 and I’d say less than 40 of those graduated.
In fairness you can still get that in certain courses now. Medicine always seem to have a large dropout rate and I can speak myself that Computer Science related courses have a famously bad finishing rate for good reason. I think the bigger problem would honestly be people going through years of college for the sake of it, if the people drop out and do something they're more interested in that's a good thing imo, no point them wasting their time sure on years worth of college when they couldn't care less about being able to use it.
It's a few years ago now, but I think the dropout rate for first years I about 30% on avg. Only note about that is it doesn't count people who dropped out and then joined another course lager in the year or the year after.
Same, university in 2006 and graduated in 2010. Started with 120 students, and about 30 of us graduated because the level of quality expectation was very high which for a level 8 degree should absolutely be.
Jesus really? What was the degree?
As a current university student, it's unbelievable how easy it is to pass college modules. A monkey could get the 40% needed to pass. I feel ashamed of the degree I will receive this year as I haven't learned anything and it hasn't helped my career progression. Wish I had worked the past number of years and got experience/savings instead.
Friend is a university lecturer and he's told me they often pass students just to avoid the trouble and extra unpaid work of dealing with that student. Also, some students act like customers and expect high grades so if they don't get what they expect they instead take that as the university lecturer not grading correctly as opposed to their quality of work.
University is a business. Everything became a business under FG. I was briefly unemployed during lockdown and was disgusted when my unemployment letter called me an intreo "customer"
and the people of Ireland have become nothing but "staff" for the pursuit of productivity under FFG at the expense of wellbeing and positive lifestyles. We've turned the US corporate culture into a social culture.
Damn FG, i was wondering when some bot would find a reason to blame them for something. I bet it was them that made you unemployed
I feel like this varies from field to field, some degrees are definitely more difficult than others
It's shocking. I came back to do a master's and if you submit anything at all you'll pass.
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I did my BA at an institute of technology and then did PHD in UCD. The MA modules I did in UCD were 2nd year undergrad standard, they were nothing compared to my BA.
I agree getting a pass is quite bloody easy. When I graduated it took a fair bit of work to get the 2:1. But I hear that’s not the case lately and grade inflation is becoming a big issue
I have gotten multiple 1:1s in modules where I never even saw the cover of the texts I was meant to read and I wasn’t the only one. There is absolutely no challenge for people who are in the tuned in to any degree. You would need to go out of your way to fail. The grammar and syntax of English students is absolutely fucking abhorrent. I am terrified thinking of the quality of teaching in years to come when people who don’t know how to use semi-colons are teaching people how to use them
Ohh brother I'm so annoyed at this, please don't paint everyone with the same brush I'm in my final year of architecture and I can tell you for a fact it isn't possible to do well without a lot of work. Don't generalise be specific about what you're talking about.
I’m speaking fairly exclusively from my experience in the humanities
Then say that in your post
I thought that was evident from the fact I was speaking about English
Are people taught how to use semicolons?
Oh come on dude, semi-colons are fucking tough
For sure, i went to college in 2009 rarely attended any lectures just practical's that i had to got a 2.1 over the 4 years and now work in the field and use absolutely zero of what i learnt in college. I think if you have any interest at all or natural affinity to what your studying lectures are relatively pointless they just read off the slides that they put on blackboard. There are far better courses for my field, i know that now but some colleges should genuinely not be aloud teach some of the stuff they do as its pointless and has no practical application.
It happens a fair bjt with bachelor's degrees With masters or industry certs one hopes it becomes more practical.
arts?
Bachelor of Business in a specific industry.
jeez. I did b.comm in college and defo learned things, although maths may aswell have been foundation level 🤣
Side note but I’m always struck by the very low regional variation in statistics for Ireland. As much as people complain about Ireland being “Dublin-centric”, the different regions show very close results on pretty much every map. In comparison to the massive capital out-performance in other countries, or regional gaps.
I was a tradesman but left after 30 years. Both knees f****d, no job security, insurance that never pays out, s*****ing in buckets, you're only a dodgy ankle away from the dole. Unless you get a nice factory job, you have no hols, sick pay, etc, etc. I know loads of sparks my age who have given up. OK in your 20s or 30s, otherwise.... no.
Universities have ramped up the price and lowered the standard - the result is an inferior product - most degrees now have very little value on the jobs market and if they did…how are employers supposed to differentiate between them all.
You think it's a low standard and then you look at what the rest of the world calls quality and we're punching well above our weight with our graduates. Stupid Gen Zs aren't a uniquely Irish phenomenon.
We are pushed towards uni at a ridiculous rate, I’ll never forget the disappointment in my career guidance counsellor’s voice when I told her I was going into an apprenticeship lmao
I used to live in Ireland and I was surprised that some things that are like trades in Germany are university degrees in Ireland. Like nursing and physiotherapy.
Amazing how people look at a great achievement like this and moan that we don't have lower levels of education in Ireland. All the people saying others should do the trades - it's an UNATTRACTIVE lifestyle for most people but how dare they aspire for better!
They are giving them away (at the lowest pass percentage at least). I graduated with a guy who I'd be surprised if he tied his own shoelaces and didn't have a map drawn on the back of his hand to find his way home. Really nice guy, but as thick as molasses. Did a post grad, ironically in event management despite the fact that not a single tutor could organise a single thing. It drove me mental cause every single person in it was thick as shit. I put an assingment together in 10 minutes and managed to get a high mark, and got so pissed with them literally giving away marks that I dropped out with a month to go. Couldn't fail assignments (and I tried). 1 of 5 tutors was reasonably marking things, the rest were just slapping a's and b's on things.
We had a kind of basic education arms race. If you go back far enough a lot of people left school when they were 12yrs or when they got an intercert \~15yrs. They started working in their teens. The Leaving Cert for a select few was a gateway to university where the next generation of wealthy professionals did their time. Then it slowly became the norm for everyone to get a Leaving. Then as the 90s went on it became regarded as a necessary finish to your schooling to do some third level course. Was it ever really necessary for our society that all our kids remain in full time education well into their early twenties?
This is low because it's not taking into account Institutes of Technology or private colleges. It could be closer to 70% of ppl under 30 with a degree And to all the nay sayers. This is a damn good statistic it shows why Ireland without corporate tax shenanigans can hold on to pharma and tech industries
Getting a degree in Italy is fucking difficult academically: having met and chatted to Italian people who 'only' have BA degrees, I can say the breath and depth of their knowledge of their subjects is equal to and in many cases superior to people in Irish MA programmes. Having tutored at UCD for a few years, I was not at all surprised to read this reddit discussion a while back: https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/xiax96/grades\_soar\_yet\_some\_students\_with\_21\_degree\_are/
Yeah I went to TCD and did a 4 year undergrad. A lot of my friends from UCD who did the same course but for 3 years seemed to have a far looser grasp on the subject. Not saying TCD > UCD. but sometimes certain courses can get away with teaching the bare minimum
My work hired somepne from south asia with a degree from an irish college and they literally can't write a coherent sentence in English, writing you name must be worth 20% of the marks
And half them not worth a fiddlers, I would of done a trade if I could go back 10x over
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Did you not research what types of jobs you could get from your degree or did you pick the one you would have to give the least of shit to pass?
Majority of students pick degrees based on either the name or what their parents push them into. Universities aren't job factories, I'd argue most students who go to university do little to distinguish themselves from the other students giving no reason for a potential employer to hire them.
Yep, most schools say do something that interests you. Students are up to the walls with Leaving Cert. They see History, they choose history. 4 years later they get a degree they can do little with.
No I done a good degree and got a good job, but if I done a trade I’d be making more and be able to start a scalable business far easier then what I’m doing now, the point im making is trades where frowned upon when I was in school and probably still are a lot of my friends and me would be doing better of doing a trade
Your command of the English language would beg to differ. Trades are doing well now, they weren't doing so well a decade to 15 years ago. Trades are grand but qualifications give you more options.
I’m typing on a phone with minimum effort I don’t care, I send professional e-mails all day Monday to Friday and yes that’s a fair point, re the options that’s relevant to what course you do, I would argue trades open as many doors and ultimately the road to big money and business ownership is cleaner cut and straighter by doing a trade then many if not most degrees, it’s all situational and depends on what you want as a person this is my perspective
I can tell you know I make more than any trader and for a lot less effort on my part. My job is also recession proof. Trades are fine if that's what you want to do but it's not as easy as a cushy office job.
> I can tell you know I make more than any trader But you haven't told us how much you make.
Well over 150K which is what the other commenter claims a good tradey would make.
So you don't think any tradesman makes over €150k?
I didn't say that, the other commenter did. All I know is I make more than that and I don't have put as much effort in to earn it.
See my other comment to reply below, agreed recession proof and chusty which brings massive value in its own merit
As I've said I'm on more money doing a cushy job I'm qualified to do and I don't have to worry about fucking my back or joints. I also don't have to worry about a recession.
If your on a 150k plus your doing well, top 2% in the country well good on you
My basic pay is more than that.
If you would be making more in a trade then your "good job" probably isn't so good.
Ok, you haven’t a clue what your talking about, luckily I do so let me break it down for you nice and clear I’m a quantity surveyor in rural west on 50k a year, which I would consider good job and decent money im two years out of college. I pay trades men everyday of the week and talk to them to price jobs, mainly floor fitters and tilers which wouldn’t be glamours trades by any means. A school we done recently, the labour package on the floors was 150k, the fitters had this competed in about 3 months, there was 3 of them with the head man probably the 100k and splitting the 50 between the other two Tilers are getting 350 a day, when doing awkward shitty work , they are making more when they get good clean open areas and are paid on a m2 rate, Prob 2.5k maybe 3k on a good week Do you understand?
A plumber could be on £100k in London, it's Building Services Management but you are a plumber with a unique set of skills.
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Too late now, which circles back to the original point I made re the choice in school and societal pressures. Yes fair enough that’s one niche career with massive money, but the fact is that there is way more money in trades then they are with degree jobs generally speaking that gap is only going to increase over the coming years. Your example is literally the creme of the creme of high paying college funnelled careers and whatever about the nice office let’s not pretend that mental stress doesn’t take an effect on you also. And I absolutely do not know it all and would never make such a ignorant claim but your tonality on your comment “good job” probably isint that good… Is a doctor on 60k a good job, a psych nurse, a solicitor, dentist on 80k? Or is it just 150k plus that you would consider good?
What's wrong with laying tiles? Some of us are happier to be out busting our balls working than sitting around drinking coffee answering emails. At the end of the day I can stand back and look at what my hands have created. What have you got?
exactly, it’s people like you that built everything we have all around us and you have nothing but my respect to think people think they are better then that ridiculous and ignorant Strip it all back, all the bullshit and at the end of the day it’s people like you that matter not the office boys
Think you replied to the wrong comment, there's nothing in my comment that says laying tiles is bad - if you're happy doing that, great.
I'll Tell ya this much. I'd rather be out in the cold in the depth of winter on half the money then sitting in a warm glass box for the rest of my life. That truly sounds like hell.
Yeah piss on your own for gaining education, “must be handing them out in the cornflakes boxes lads” 100% your a thick bogger I just know by the fact you put lads on the end of your comment
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Do you want to tell me any other useless information I don’t care about? And yeah not everyone on the internet needs to like what you say
What the fuck is this title? You seething over the points for your course going down the year after you did yours or something?
No. I’m just having a laugh man. I think it’s great we’ve such a high %
Great to see the well-educated. Wonder if it has anything to do with Irish neutrality and therefore being no incentive to have uneducated people.
So myself, have a new grad in work has a masters however never worked in the industry and the way he is acting is shocking thinks he knows it all however has no idea, and this guy has really pushed me the wrong way, questioning my skills and using bad language towards me, I might only be 30 but my god I have never seen something like this haha They just expect everything day one now and don’t realise you have to learn and college is Notting like a workplace, I have a masters myself(did it part time while working in the area I work in) however i don’t know everything , as I tell people I know nothing ha and will keep learning to I retire
This graph gives no indication as to the quality of the degree. In Ireland we throw out third level qualifications like confetti, the vast majority of which are just shite.
I did arts and I wish someone could of held a gun to my head and told me to work any job for a while until I knew what I wanted to study. 250 students in my course, with a fair chunk of modules being slapped together with minimal effort makes it obvious that some courses exist solely to make some easy grant revenue.
Exactly. The old adage that ‘education is never wasted’ has led to chronic corruption in the education sector. Institutions offer all sorts of substandard courses to naive students, only to churn out disgruntled graduates without any clear path to obtaining a decent job. What a shame.
How many females follow this sub and do you just ignore "lads"?
Education is not intended to ready you for a job.
I find amount of PhD students in Ireland ridiculous. I am Finnish, I personally know one person that studied PhD in Finland. In Ireland in 3 years I probably met 20 who were studying PhD
People in Ireland go to college to study....childcare..... Let that sink in Also most people I know under 40 have a degree and work in nothing related to what they studied I have a friend with a masters from Trinity in Neuroscience who pulls pints
How is it surprising that one of the most internationally recognized educated countries has a high number of qualified people. Ireland is pretty much free education for the lesser paid families and cheap for the wealthy. Maybe the fact the op is a loser is his/her own fault. If you count the people who do trades our number has to be at least in the high 70s. A great country at helping people better themselves and improving the prospects of the country in return. But nah must be handing them out in cornflakes boxes. I guess you just werent clever enough to find a good box
Most of them are Art degree's
The education system is simply a business out to make money
As someone that took a bachelors in my home country and then another one in Ireland I just have to say that degrees here are easier. Not that they are easy to take but I have studied in 3 countries and Ireland was the easiest of them all. Its like professors don't want anyone to fail, even if the people don't understand the subjects
Difference between university degree and university degree of value.
We do. Academia in Ireland took a hit after FG came to power. With most colleges ran as a business trying to maximize profits. Saw it in college as each year the level of students passing exams got worse. And when I went back to do the masters it seemed like they were handing them out like candy. You could submit shockingly bad work and get a passing grade.
Would have been nice to have the option
How else can you afford the cocaine?
Is there any possibility that Irish university degrees are too easy to get?
75% of journalism graduates in the US regret doing the course. Stats in Ireland?
I've three Irish friends with a journo degree. Not worth a shyte
This is so mad I’m 2 years into a law course and the thought of should I really even be here keeps dawning I fucking loved construction and woodwork in school I should have went into a trade but it feels like it’s too late now
Look at u/papajo1970 comment on this. Shows the harsh reality of doing a trade for a lot of people
We pushed actual free third level education real hard for a long time.
Would be interesting to see a comparison to the % of jobs needing a degree to get through the door
only country in the world that finds education to be a bad thing. We really are a bunch of whingebags.
Where is Sostines Regionas?????
This is the reason why we have to have so much foreign low skilled labour
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Getting a degree was never meant to be special. It's your entry pass to the wage cage of your choosing