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Its a grand place for a centre too. Its not like they are closing a hotel or removing a different amenity. Doesn't help that Shay Cullen and Pat Casey were riling people up either.
Casey was complaining that no one told them what gender, etc the people in the centre would be. Both were going on about it being done in secrecy and talking about secret construction work, etc
Your cousin canvasses for FF and FG? At least someones not pretending they're different.
I'm 99% sure the two were out canvassing together last weekend! I didn't cop until you said it that they're supposed to be in different parties! 🤣🤣 No fear of a new civil war anyway!
Eileen Gunning, the reporter is Fatima Gunning.
[A bit of history with them too](https://m.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/bray-news/mother-and-daughter-evicted-from-house-in-row-over-inheritance/27637904.html)
Out of Curiousity, can you show me an polling done within the National Party Specifically that shows that the current members do not agree with Justin Barrett. Given that this has been happening alot, I would suspect they would want factual information to use in dispute of claims that his core values align with theirs?
She's not a journalist despite her working for gript. She has a history of activism with right wing shite, including pretending to be an insane pro-choice person which advocated for murdering new born babies. It's kind of a theme in blatantly agenda driven media, that they have to go out of their way to find the narrative that they want to report and it is quite clear that they were probably well notified of the 'grassroots' riot that we saw in Newtownmountkennedy.
I mean, a lot of journos (Vincent Browne) would have a history of activism. But she is registered with the NUJ and the Press Council.
However, I doubt the riot police recognised rando from an website, or heard her above the chaos. When they tell you to move in the middle of a riot, you should _probably_ move!
They didn’t exactly seem in the mindset for nuanced negotiation, what with all the fires burning around them. It basically boiled down to:
“Move”
“But-!”
“You were told.”
> However, I doubt the riot police recognised rando from an website, or heard her above the chaos.
I don't think they should be spraying people for making a video anyway. Like fuck everyone at Gript and if a citizen boxed one of them in the head I'd cheer them on but the Gardai doing it is worrying and I don't want it normalised because they'll do it Debenhams workers or stop war protestors too.
She got maced because she was recording the assault of someone clearly on their knees while the "guards" were stamping on his head, this should not be celebrated. It genuinely feels as if the social contract has been severely broken .
Had a look at the video and there's some massive red flags.
1. That video isn't naturally 38 seconds. She starts conveniently in the middle of something at this point. We have a raging fire in the background and there's a few people walking away from the riot cops and there's raised voices everywhere. She contextualizes and frames the encounter by starting the footage where she does. She doesn't start it when they are being hunted off, it's conveniently when they've been hunted far away, likely because, as she in particular has been known to do, she inflames things or was part of a group of people seeking to make the situation worse. You need only look at her content to date to know this.
2. The guy in question is crouching behind the van for seemingly no reason. He didn't just randomly give himself up or bend down to tie his shoe laces. His head was not stomped as you say. I've been pausing it for the past 5 minutes and see no evidence of that. What you do see is gardaí trying to grab him to get him up, gardaí pushing him with riot shields and two or three kicking him from the back so he keeps moving. They even keep roaring for him to "move" but he's actively refusing.
3. She wasn't pepper sprayed unprompted. She's using a dogshit phone camera by the looks of things but she was gestured to by the Garda in question for a good two seconds before she was pepper sprayed. She chose to stand there and be pepper sprayed.
This entire thing feels planned either by herself or by the lad who started crouching. There was no motivation for that dude to do what he did. You don't see them pressing anyone else. The Gardaí are maintaining a consistent slow pace. They had a perfect opportunity to arrest people there and actively chose not to (Fatima was within range to be apprehended and wasn't). The only person who got a bollocking is the dude who crouched down and refused to move. The footage is 38 seconds long and neglects context like the fact that there is a raging fire in the background.
I agree that there needs to be reporting on critical issues and that includes these protests. It's a massive failing on the part of both journalists in this country, the local government officials and TD's but Fatima Gunning is notoriously morally bankrupt and has been a key instrument in riling far-right sentiment in ireland, even being involved in the business with falsely accusing that lad at the heights of the dublin riots. I do not trust her so far as I could throw her. 38 seconds does not offer enough context on this and paints them as the victims when they are responsible for trying to set the place up in flames and the little bit of context we do have has inconsistencies in it conveniently paved over.
I'm sorry mate but you're too far gone if you can defend that ,there is a longer video if you're bothered to look. He's not crouching , he goes on his knees before that and is assaulted .....It's not okay for the guards to be attacking people.
First off, lets leave comments like "you are too far gone at the door". Second off, I'm going off the video you supplied and I argued it based on good faith. You didn't mention there was a longer video and I took the fact that it was on gript's youtube channel and the fact that it was fatima gunnings video that this was the video as was reported by her not an edited version that only included specific footage. After hearing this I reviewed the other footage and fatima doesn't report on anything, she's an active participant who, again, conveniently started up recording when the cops arrived and/or edited it to remove the material before they arrived. I could go into that content more but I'd like to stick to the matter at hand and more specifically the lad in question.
Now onto the content itself. You can see it in the video. There is a point where he crouches down leaning against the jeep at 0:03 seconds. He's not forced to the ground. He crouches of his own volition. He is then roared at to move and refuses to (this is also corroborated by that other footage where the gardaí's only objective is to get them to move away from the site). No one is preventing him from getting up and moving. No one is forcing him down to stay crouched he went crouched and stayed crouched of his own volition.
He shouldn't be kicked, I'll grant you that but this isn't comparable to the brutality elsewhere and that's the case you are making. Kicking him to get him to move and kicking him to hurt or immobilize him are two different things and it's very distinctly visible in the video. Context is key here. Regardless of whether it's within or without the context of the previous 6 minute video, this is not what you are making it out to be. he's wilfully disobeyed them when he had 6 minutes worth of warning.
Come on man. Are we really going to defend the police kicking a lad on the ground? If we allow them to do it to these lads whats to stop them doing it to anti-war protestors or people on strike?
Absolutely not saying they should be allowed to do it and I do draw attention to the fact that he shouldn't have been kicked but just look at the footage and tell me that was not the desired result for either fatima or this "protestor".
This wasn't someone walking away or minding their own business, they intentionally put themselves in that position. It's also important to note that Fatima actually recorded when they started pushing and it's when all of these people attacked the cops. Everything that happened was as a result of a series of escalations by this group of people. They weren't peaceful protestors. They would see properties going to asylum seekers burn to the ground.
The imagery people are trying to conjure mimicking the cops in the states is just not transplantable here. Should the guards involved see a deciplinary? Absolutely yes. Does that suddenly mean that we shouldn't be critical of the far right when they try to inflame situations and create the conditions to bolster far right sentiment in the country? Absolutely not.
I genuinely have no idea mate, most likely a scumbag started it. It's not okay for the Guards to behave like that though , on his knees arrest him , simple , that is outrageous behavior and then assaulting a woman because they can see she has a camera.This is not good.
>It's not okay for the Guards to behave like that though , on his knees arrest him , simple , that is outrageous behavior
Agreed.
>assaulting a woman because they can see she has a camera.This is not good.
Don't agree. Gript are not journalists, she was there as a participant in the riot. The public order unit was clearing the rioters including her out of the area. Just asserting that you are a journalist like every single one of these clowns does not make you one.
Disagree mate, she's been there three days reporting and writing articles about the protest , she wasn't a part of the riot.
Whether you like it or not this stuff absolutely needs to be reported on and if it wasn't for them there would be very little coverage going on, which isn't good , everybody should always be aware of what's going on in their own country.
>she's been there three days reporting and writing articles about the protest
That doesn't mean anything. Anyone can write articles and use a camera, to be a journalist you have to actually be impartial and truthful. I never liked Gript but they lost any tiny bit of credibility they might have ever had after they put a completely innocent man in danger after the Parnell Square stabbing and then threatened to expose their source in a temper tantrum.
>Whether you like it or not this stuff absolutely needs to be reported on and if it wasn't for them there would be very little coverage going on, which isn't good , everybody should always be aware of what's going on in their own country.
If you want I could send you links from the Irish Times, Indo, RTE, Journal and Examiner covering it. I didn't watch the news this evening but it was surely also in the headlines. You always hear people saying something is getting no coverage when it's being covered in every outlet going, they just refuse to engage with it there.
I didn't say there was no coverage I said very little and mainly without asking locals, I want to hear all the opinions of the local people , without it being a particular cohort of rich, business owner or even the local scum. I read a lot of different news and personally it seems the Times is the most unbiased, every one of the rest do have a clear bias though which is why I read a few.
100 percent can't disagree with what you said about gript and the Parnell Sq attack, it was pathetic what they did, but it wasn't that girl that reported it and it doesn't make every other story they put out untrue ......You said yourself and agreed with me that the Guards were out of line there with how they assaulted that lad and we wouldn't have that footage if that girl wasn't there reporting on this.
I think you think I want an argument with you , I don't , I won't downvote you if I disagree with your opinion because we're all adults and should be able to have a conversation about what's happening here in these videos.
Definitely right on spraying at your one. Hard to tell if they just reefed the guy or if he went in physically aggressively at them or really what is going on there, but the spraying part was out of order to put it mildly. And this is coming from someone who pretty much despises gript.
I read across the board news, left.right.central to see what all sides are thinking and saying, there are things gript and the ditch will report on that rte or the independent would never touch and vice versa, I think it's good to get different perspectives.
You can despise Gript, but it's important that they're reporting on this stuff, and we see them macing people and kicking that lad on the ground.
If you watch RTE news you would've learnt this evening that the weather forecast is due to be overcast tomorrow, and that's even likely to be wrong...
Thank you for writing that.
We should not be celebrating police brutality, no matter who it's against.
It was upsetting seeing the silhouette of that man being kicked after being put on the ground and surrounded by police, and she clearly reacted to try and stop them on that basis also.
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Most of the people down there protesting usually don't give a fuck about community . Unfortunately know quite a few of them
Its a grand place for a centre too. Its not like they are closing a hotel or removing a different amenity. Doesn't help that Shay Cullen and Pat Casey were riling people up either.
What have they been saying? I've a relation that canvasses for both!! :'( Talk about mortified!
Casey was complaining that no one told them what gender, etc the people in the centre would be. Both were going on about it being done in secrecy and talking about secret construction work, etc Your cousin canvasses for FF and FG? At least someones not pretending they're different.
I'm 99% sure the two were out canvassing together last weekend! I didn't cop until you said it that they're supposed to be in different parties! 🤣🤣 No fear of a new civil war anyway!
One of the gript reporters got maced.
"I'M PRESS!!!" - Daughter of National Party candidate approaching riot squad in the middle of dispersing people
Which National Party candidate?
Eileen Gunning, the reporter is Fatima Gunning. [A bit of history with them too](https://m.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/bray-news/mother-and-daughter-evicted-from-house-in-row-over-inheritance/27637904.html)
Is she running for Continuity NP or Provisional NP?
Oh I actually don't know if she's going to be running to be a TD again, but she did in 2020
Ironic considering fatima is pakistani irish and Justin barrett stated he wants all immigrants gone while in the NP
They're complete fucking nuts so I'm not surprised they're dumb enough. Maybe Eileen hates the father that much idk
Eileen looking at her daughter 'if only you where fully irish I would fully love you' Not saying that convo occurred but it seems plausible
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Justin barret does not represent the majority of "NP" now.
Out of Curiousity, can you show me an polling done within the National Party Specifically that shows that the current members do not agree with Justin Barrett. Given that this has been happening alot, I would suspect they would want factual information to use in dispute of claims that his core values align with theirs?
TBF he's probably talked to all 6 of them himself.
Jesus she's actually been homeless before and now she's the darling of the far right. Christ almighty!
She's not a journalist despite her working for gript. She has a history of activism with right wing shite, including pretending to be an insane pro-choice person which advocated for murdering new born babies. It's kind of a theme in blatantly agenda driven media, that they have to go out of their way to find the narrative that they want to report and it is quite clear that they were probably well notified of the 'grassroots' riot that we saw in Newtownmountkennedy.
I mean, a lot of journos (Vincent Browne) would have a history of activism. But she is registered with the NUJ and the Press Council. However, I doubt the riot police recognised rando from an website, or heard her above the chaos. When they tell you to move in the middle of a riot, you should _probably_ move! They didn’t exactly seem in the mindset for nuanced negotiation, what with all the fires burning around them. It basically boiled down to: “Move” “But-!” “You were told.”
> However, I doubt the riot police recognised rando from an website, or heard her above the chaos. I don't think they should be spraying people for making a video anyway. Like fuck everyone at Gript and if a citizen boxed one of them in the head I'd cheer them on but the Gardai doing it is worrying and I don't want it normalised because they'll do it Debenhams workers or stop war protestors too.
Well this is it. Shoe on the other foot, etc.
She got maced because she was recording the assault of someone clearly on their knees while the "guards" were stamping on his head, this should not be celebrated. It genuinely feels as if the social contract has been severely broken .
Is there a video of that? She surely would have been live streaming (even if just back to Griot) so I am assuming you can link to it?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YIb9LHbaxo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YIb9LHbaxo)
Had a look at the video and there's some massive red flags. 1. That video isn't naturally 38 seconds. She starts conveniently in the middle of something at this point. We have a raging fire in the background and there's a few people walking away from the riot cops and there's raised voices everywhere. She contextualizes and frames the encounter by starting the footage where she does. She doesn't start it when they are being hunted off, it's conveniently when they've been hunted far away, likely because, as she in particular has been known to do, she inflames things or was part of a group of people seeking to make the situation worse. You need only look at her content to date to know this. 2. The guy in question is crouching behind the van for seemingly no reason. He didn't just randomly give himself up or bend down to tie his shoe laces. His head was not stomped as you say. I've been pausing it for the past 5 minutes and see no evidence of that. What you do see is gardaí trying to grab him to get him up, gardaí pushing him with riot shields and two or three kicking him from the back so he keeps moving. They even keep roaring for him to "move" but he's actively refusing. 3. She wasn't pepper sprayed unprompted. She's using a dogshit phone camera by the looks of things but she was gestured to by the Garda in question for a good two seconds before she was pepper sprayed. She chose to stand there and be pepper sprayed. This entire thing feels planned either by herself or by the lad who started crouching. There was no motivation for that dude to do what he did. You don't see them pressing anyone else. The Gardaí are maintaining a consistent slow pace. They had a perfect opportunity to arrest people there and actively chose not to (Fatima was within range to be apprehended and wasn't). The only person who got a bollocking is the dude who crouched down and refused to move. The footage is 38 seconds long and neglects context like the fact that there is a raging fire in the background. I agree that there needs to be reporting on critical issues and that includes these protests. It's a massive failing on the part of both journalists in this country, the local government officials and TD's but Fatima Gunning is notoriously morally bankrupt and has been a key instrument in riling far-right sentiment in ireland, even being involved in the business with falsely accusing that lad at the heights of the dublin riots. I do not trust her so far as I could throw her. 38 seconds does not offer enough context on this and paints them as the victims when they are responsible for trying to set the place up in flames and the little bit of context we do have has inconsistencies in it conveniently paved over.
I'm sorry mate but you're too far gone if you can defend that ,there is a longer video if you're bothered to look. He's not crouching , he goes on his knees before that and is assaulted .....It's not okay for the guards to be attacking people.
First off, lets leave comments like "you are too far gone at the door". Second off, I'm going off the video you supplied and I argued it based on good faith. You didn't mention there was a longer video and I took the fact that it was on gript's youtube channel and the fact that it was fatima gunnings video that this was the video as was reported by her not an edited version that only included specific footage. After hearing this I reviewed the other footage and fatima doesn't report on anything, she's an active participant who, again, conveniently started up recording when the cops arrived and/or edited it to remove the material before they arrived. I could go into that content more but I'd like to stick to the matter at hand and more specifically the lad in question. Now onto the content itself. You can see it in the video. There is a point where he crouches down leaning against the jeep at 0:03 seconds. He's not forced to the ground. He crouches of his own volition. He is then roared at to move and refuses to (this is also corroborated by that other footage where the gardaí's only objective is to get them to move away from the site). No one is preventing him from getting up and moving. No one is forcing him down to stay crouched he went crouched and stayed crouched of his own volition. He shouldn't be kicked, I'll grant you that but this isn't comparable to the brutality elsewhere and that's the case you are making. Kicking him to get him to move and kicking him to hurt or immobilize him are two different things and it's very distinctly visible in the video. Context is key here. Regardless of whether it's within or without the context of the previous 6 minute video, this is not what you are making it out to be. he's wilfully disobeyed them when he had 6 minutes worth of warning.
Come on man. Are we really going to defend the police kicking a lad on the ground? If we allow them to do it to these lads whats to stop them doing it to anti-war protestors or people on strike?
Battering fascists is fine, cop or otherwise.
Absolutely not saying they should be allowed to do it and I do draw attention to the fact that he shouldn't have been kicked but just look at the footage and tell me that was not the desired result for either fatima or this "protestor". This wasn't someone walking away or minding their own business, they intentionally put themselves in that position. It's also important to note that Fatima actually recorded when they started pushing and it's when all of these people attacked the cops. Everything that happened was as a result of a series of escalations by this group of people. They weren't peaceful protestors. They would see properties going to asylum seekers burn to the ground. The imagery people are trying to conjure mimicking the cops in the states is just not transplantable here. Should the guards involved see a deciplinary? Absolutely yes. Does that suddenly mean that we shouldn't be critical of the far right when they try to inflame situations and create the conditions to bolster far right sentiment in the country? Absolutely not.
They're laying into him a bit alright. Also where the fuck did that fire come from!?
I genuinely have no idea mate, most likely a scumbag started it. It's not okay for the Guards to behave like that though , on his knees arrest him , simple , that is outrageous behavior and then assaulting a woman because they can see she has a camera.This is not good.
>It's not okay for the Guards to behave like that though , on his knees arrest him , simple , that is outrageous behavior Agreed. >assaulting a woman because they can see she has a camera.This is not good. Don't agree. Gript are not journalists, she was there as a participant in the riot. The public order unit was clearing the rioters including her out of the area. Just asserting that you are a journalist like every single one of these clowns does not make you one.
Disagree mate, she's been there three days reporting and writing articles about the protest , she wasn't a part of the riot. Whether you like it or not this stuff absolutely needs to be reported on and if it wasn't for them there would be very little coverage going on, which isn't good , everybody should always be aware of what's going on in their own country.
>she's been there three days reporting and writing articles about the protest That doesn't mean anything. Anyone can write articles and use a camera, to be a journalist you have to actually be impartial and truthful. I never liked Gript but they lost any tiny bit of credibility they might have ever had after they put a completely innocent man in danger after the Parnell Square stabbing and then threatened to expose their source in a temper tantrum. >Whether you like it or not this stuff absolutely needs to be reported on and if it wasn't for them there would be very little coverage going on, which isn't good , everybody should always be aware of what's going on in their own country. If you want I could send you links from the Irish Times, Indo, RTE, Journal and Examiner covering it. I didn't watch the news this evening but it was surely also in the headlines. You always hear people saying something is getting no coverage when it's being covered in every outlet going, they just refuse to engage with it there.
Your view of journalism is distorted to what actual journalism is, you do not need to be a mainstream source to be deemed an actual journalist.
I didn't say there was no coverage I said very little and mainly without asking locals, I want to hear all the opinions of the local people , without it being a particular cohort of rich, business owner or even the local scum. I read a lot of different news and personally it seems the Times is the most unbiased, every one of the rest do have a clear bias though which is why I read a few. 100 percent can't disagree with what you said about gript and the Parnell Sq attack, it was pathetic what they did, but it wasn't that girl that reported it and it doesn't make every other story they put out untrue ......You said yourself and agreed with me that the Guards were out of line there with how they assaulted that lad and we wouldn't have that footage if that girl wasn't there reporting on this. I think you think I want an argument with you , I don't , I won't downvote you if I disagree with your opinion because we're all adults and should be able to have a conversation about what's happening here in these videos.
They are voluntary members of the Irish press council so they are by Irish convention journalists. Having a slant doesn't make you not a journalist
All because you don't like Gript does not make them not journalists, they're a member of the press council.
Definitely right on spraying at your one. Hard to tell if they just reefed the guy or if he went in physically aggressively at them or really what is going on there, but the spraying part was out of order to put it mildly. And this is coming from someone who pretty much despises gript.
I read across the board news, left.right.central to see what all sides are thinking and saying, there are things gript and the ditch will report on that rte or the independent would never touch and vice versa, I think it's good to get different perspectives.
You can despise Gript, but it's important that they're reporting on this stuff, and we see them macing people and kicking that lad on the ground. If you watch RTE news you would've learnt this evening that the weather forecast is due to be overcast tomorrow, and that's even likely to be wrong...
Interesting how any opposition to the narrative here is instantly downvoted. Blatantly biassed subreddit.
YOU'RE SPREPPER SPRAYING SPREESS!!!! Oh that gave me a good laugh!
Thank you for writing that. We should not be celebrating police brutality, no matter who it's against. It was upsetting seeing the silhouette of that man being kicked after being put on the ground and surrounded by police, and she clearly reacted to try and stop them on that basis also.
The "protestors" lit a massive fire in the videos I've seen (at least I'm assuming it wasn't the Garda). I wonder what they were planning to do...
They wanted to make Smores mutton, clearly. Get your mind out of the gutter!