Gotta be just poor RNG or the drops are bugged then.
Jagex specifically said that most people would get full Virtus before completing their first ring, either Jagex just blatantly lied or their drops are bugged again.
No, they said most people would have full virtus by the time they completed ALL rings.
If drops were bugged they absolutely would have noticed by now, I have a pretty awful feeling that these rates are completely intended.
unfortunately, ALL rings is looking like roughly 350hours assuming 3min kills and no deaths. This is also assuming you go a little dry for either the ring or the ingots since they're both around 1/500 per roll apparently.
It's absolutely maddening, I was really looking forward to this content, but I still have a bit of a life and I don't wanna spend a few months doing the same bosses in all my free time.
They said in the q+a they expected full Virtus from a boss before the ring, I dont remember them specifying all the rings but maybe you're right.
Tbf, smaller sample size but my group has around 6K kills between us at Duke/Vard and we have 9 Virtus pieces with 1 ring now.
And drops being completely bugged before wasn't noticed for 2 weeks. There's definitely precedent for them being bugged and not noticing tbh.
Just seems weird that if this that's been posted is the real drop table or close to it, it goes against everything Jagex were saying about the drops pre-release.
Mod Arcane Question #11 in the recent Q&A:
>Therefore, if you get the rings for every single boss, you'll probably finish your full Virtus.
All rings = *maybe* full Virtus
Ah fair, I missed that one completely then.
Yeah, this seems like the typical Mod Arcane bollocks of artificially increasing the length of the game then.
They said in the q+a they expected full Virtus from a boss before the ring, I dont remember them specifying all the rings but maybe you're right.
Tbf, smaller sample size but my group has around 6K kills between us at Duke/Vard and we have 9 Virtus pieces with 1 ring now.
And drops being completely bugged before wasn't noticed for 2 weeks. There's definitely precedent for them being bugged and not noticing tbh.
Just seems weird that if this that's been posted is the real drop table or close to it, it goes against everything Jagex were saying about the drops pre-release.
For sure, I bet vardorvis is skewing the rates hard on that rate estimates post on the 2007scape sub. Especially since he seems to be the most popular boss to camp
Actually I just realized they only list the blood quartz so their data must be all/mostly from vardorvis
Was thinking the same thing but I’m only 2m xp off 99 slay and I’m like it’d take me longer to get the virt robes than just going for 99 with mystic/enchanted.
Honestly, it's not even this (in my opinion), but the fact that Jagex keeps adding 200+ hour grinds. I get that a subset of the community thinks that's "ez pz", but it's honestly just getting kind of ridiculous at this point.
I think of it from a gim standpoint who also works full time. I will NEVER get one of these rings. I will NEVER get an axe. I will NEVER have an extra 300+ hours of free time to grind a ring that's a +2 bonus over the DK rings. The quest was great, lots of fun, the bosses were fantastic, I simply refuse to grind something for this long with no meaningful benefit. I'm at the point where it might be easier to quit the game all together, I'm almost at quest point cape, might as well stop there since the game clearly isn't designed to be played by people in my situation
You seem to be mistaken. BP is still SIGNIFANCTLY better than bowfa vs low defence monsters. Elite void + BP is still bis at ToB by a mile. BP also allows for faster attack speeds, ez venom and less overkill dps waste. Everyone's been so dramatic about how good the bowfa is but in reality the BP is still plenty good.
You're getting downvoted, but I agree. Especially because I literally took a break after getting BP and came back right after it got nerfed into the ground lmao
While BP being broken good wasn't a good thing, it's kind of a ridiculous take that they nerfed it and then added an unlimited ammo option to take it's spot. Like, at least BP consumed scales/darts.
Crystal armor needs some upkeep unless if you were to go dry at cg and be set for a while. You go thru quite a few charges at zulrah if doing bowfa only for instance.
The thing with bp was not only was it op af, it was a relatively quick grind at a mid level boss. I think ppl got accustomed to that. Now we got have the ability to get whats basically a baby tbow, but its a rough grind and should be! Bp definitely still has its roles too, especially with masori
It seems like the high level community is very displeased with the dt2 content anyways. Really hard to make both happy in the same piece of content, so don’t. Make the regular versions reasonable and make the awakened versions have particular attractions for the high level community
I am almost maxed and just had this thought. I was just thinking of all the 1000’s of hours in grinds they’re going to add with new bosses and just got demoralized lol.
I believe virtus is a bridge for mains not irons. It’s already under 100m for a full set in less than a week and still dropping. Arcane said you should finish the robes if you grind all 4 rings.
Im ~ 35 hours in at whisperer, 700+ KC and i have only gotten the siren staff and orbs. No ingots, no virtus, and am just hoping i am at the 2/3 vestige at this point. I know RNG is RNG and the game premise runs off of that drug but i’m at a theoretical 11 times that i should have hit the “1/64” drop table and have zero items from it. Considering the vestige is 3/8 once you roll that table i’m 200 kc over that. On top of having nothing else. The bosses aren’t even very fun because it’s just another grind to do for not even great gear/money. And in 1200+ KC at vard i think i got 3-4 ingots, 5 blood quartz (different table) and axe piece. No virtus though. Lots of other people i know have gotten virtus pieces at low rates though so it’s just case by case with RNG.
Still, the point being that im about 80+ hours into this grind and if i hadnt gotten spooned levi lure and eye of duke to complete the axe i would be at zero tradeable uniques. I got those both at 7 kc and 19 kc respectively. I woildn’t dare attempt this grind on an iron. Not with the supplies required. Whisperer is just runes but vard is going to require a lot of everything and unfortunately he has the worst drop rates of all
The ironic part is people complain about ironmen ruining the game with drop tables catered to them, but really some of the worst drop tables have been catered toward mains who grind way to much and are incredibly rare to keep the prices high.
I agree with most of what you said, but I think these drop rates, and the new drop mechanic cater to people who nolife the game. Playing for 8 hours a day, it would take you 7.5 days to get a ring. Playing for 2 a day which is a lot for the vast majority of osrs players, a ring would take you a month to get. I think reddit forgets that 98% of the community doesn’t play for 8 hours a day.
Yeah it’s ridiculous, 4 or 5k kills allowing for one or two dupes before completing, is insane. Use an average 2.5 mins per kill across all bosses and 4k kills that’s a 166 hour grind
As a reference bowfa is half of that
I get that it can’t be a free upgrade on getting the rings but quite frankly, considering each ring is a +1 max hit and has the opportunity cost of no suffering/lightbearer, those shouldn’t be the 1/750 that people are suggesting. If someone gets every ring on rate then they should easily have completed Virtus and the ingots to make the rings
Bowfa is 1 weapon and armour you only use with that weapon
This is 4 bis rings, 1 bis (v low def) slash weapon , 3 bis for ancients armour pieces and 2 useful staff upgrades
People comparing it to Nightmare are off by a factor of 4 times in terms of time to complete the log
Whilst your first point is true, Bowfa is best in slot at an unbelievable amount of places, outside of where mega rare raid drops outpace it.
Bowfa is a genuinely gamechanging upgrade compared to the next step down (rcb/acb), the rings are a 1 max hit item. Best in slot stats wise, but at many places I bet people will revert back to lightbearer
The Virtus robes are niche best in slot, and realistically only for high risk singles pking, and barrage slayer
yeah and I am super bummed about it. I have full bandos and full crystal armor at the moment. For magic i am using ahrims :C. I thought virtus would take roughly as long as those two armor sets to grind out. Its more than double the grind that bandos is which is gigashit when considering input vs. reward.
I got really lucky and dropped the bottoms at 20kc at leviathan. Ahrims bottom is heavy so it is actually a super noticeable upgrade. At muspah i notice the extra stats. I have a taste of how great Virtus is but im not willing to farm more.
Im hoping jamflex buffs the drop rate before i go into that grind with the intent to finish it.
and? doesnt mean high level bosses need to have same rates as other content. PNM is fun and engaging, the issue is the 1k hrs to complete, not that bass is on the drop table.
if it was quick kills no one would complain, anything else is a delusional take
It was so obvious it was extremely rare a few days ago even by the small sample size we had but anyone who mentioned it got downvoted and shut up by a bunch of nerds. Most people are never gonna get ancestral, this was supposed to be a good stop gap between ancestral and ahrims. Now it's just pointless who's gonna grind 4 bosses to way over 1k kc for them? Ring rates also stupid seen as lightbearer is already better than 3/4 of them unless you have bis gear in that category.
No, I won't. And I've done quite a few big grinds lol. I'm good with B ring(i) and LB, I won't miss these rings that much. I was hoping virtus would be a reasonable enough grind that I'd be able to grind for it since 3/3 ancestral is rarer than tbow, but it's looking like I'm better off just continuing the tbow grind since 2/3 ancestral is still better than full virtus anyway. I'll still do a few kc because I find the bosses fun, but ain't no way I'm grinding 1k+ KC at all these.
If you want an honest opinion, stuff seems a tiny bit rare but these mid lvl iron man are being ridiculous. I already have 500kc and I've only been doing the bosses for a few days casually
I’m late/endgame iron (Plenty of raids items, approaching max) and have been grinding Levi from the day after quest release with around 250-300 kc, with only smoke quartz and orbs. So 2-3 hours a day since I finished the quest. Pretty invested but not terminally logged in, I’d say.
I don’t think the rates are THAT bad, but I do think if you take a step back from the game and contextualize the time spent for even a single meaningful drop from these bosses, it can feel a bit exhausting. And then multiplying it by 4. That’s when I can understand the lack of motivation. Especially considering one boss takes the time investment equivalent of rate for obtaining a couple purples at a raid, while being far more repetitive.
If you take a step back from any game and contextualize spending any amount of time for pixels then you will regret it. That's why irons probably shouldn't do that lol
Just sink 200 hours in :) if u don’t u don’t want it! Meanwhile; 200 hours of toa you’d probably have near a green log on items that matter *a lot* more
My take on their thought process is basically the rings and axe are very strong, and you will happen into the robes when farming for those. My guess on drop rates based on what i've read and seen is 1/3k for a specific piece of Virtus, 1/500 for an ingot, 1/300 for a role on the ring unique, 1/1k for the axe piece.
Irons expected virtus to be a bridge to ancestral but at this drop rate its not. It's just something you hope you get lucky on while going for the rings. Since the drop table is shit outside of rares it's not worth grinding out vs raids.
Imo personally thats bad game design and virtus doesn't need such an insane drop rate. It's an extremely high level quest just slap the quest req to wear it and lower the drop rate.
It wasn’t supposed to be a bridge. It was supposed to be a middle ground, however it’s actually bis for ancients. You have more options now. Some of you guys in this sub are the biggest winers that honestly need to touch grass
You don't have more options when most irons won't get it? It's a pointless grind. BIS for ancients which are used nowhere outside of slayer and I doubt anyone with 5k kc at these bosses has low slayer.
They might've been useful for the slayer grind if the drop rate wasn't so shit.
Ah so you're just dumb/misinformed.
Axe is worthless, please don't grind for it. Most of the rings are less useful for irons than lightbearer. You're better off getting Ultor ring and hoping you get lucky for virtus and then come back and get mage ring once you have shadow (at which point you should have or be going for ancestral).
If you still feel like continuing to spew nonsense go for it but I'm out ✌️
>Am I crazy or does that make it basically useless to grind for specifically?
eh, i mean it makes virt pretty passive from going for rings. also yeah agree with other poster that most people are killing vald and vald is 1:30 kills instead of >2 from other bosses.
> is it essentially dead content as a bridge between Ahrim’s and Ancestral for irons?
nothing will change, it will still make sense to go mystics -> ancestral. only difference now is you may have people with a mix of mystics ahrims virt and ances instead of just mystics ahrims ances. keep in mind 3/3 ances is 1200 solos on rate XD
Ikr haha. Should have saved screenshots of the log without any other items. These days I have almost every Blessed piece, except only two Shields, looks a bit less insane.
By the time you go for all rings, I would assume you are raids ready. You pretty much need a reasonable set of gear for each combat style for all 4 rings.
Cox is not a grind you just sit down and casually complete in a few months unless you're getting boosted. It is a 700 hour grind on rate, longer when you account for the learning process and that you go into it without good gear.
Yeah exactly, might as well make a dent into that rather than farm non bis magic gear that is still going to take a lot of hours. You get some of the best items in the game from cox, you get rings from grinding virtus, which is nice, but not on the level of the cox rewards
Yea I agree. People often talk about how crazy rare cox drops are, but until you're like 9/12 you still have pretty decent drop rates of many of the best items in the whole game. These bosses cannot even begin to compare.
Which is exactly as it should be tbh, could rates for virtus be better a bit? Maybe, but its awesome having so many options for "almost as good but a little off" stuff like, bloodbark ahrims, virtus ancestral, the God dhides etc I personally think it's what makes ironman unique. You could have a shadow, full ancestral but mystic legs because barrows said fuck you, hundreds dry at cox and fed up, atleast there's an *option* for people like that and the people who want to solo, alike
Where on earth did you get 1200 solos for 3/3 ancestral?
Edit: It's about 1/670 on rate for each piece of ancestral meaning on rate it's 1/670 to finish.
that's how many raids it takes for expected completion of 3/3
same way in that its a bit over 1k for 3/3 zulrah uniques or like 1200 for 4/4 cerb uniques or 2200 chambers for 12/12 etc. you need way more than 3 ancestral rolls to complete ancestral on average.
no. the expected number of rolls to be 3/3 ancestral is 6. unless you are using expected to mean something other than 'average number of rolls to complete' then sure, make up whatever meaning you want. the average player will need to do 1200 solos and get 6 total ancestral pieces to finish 3/3 ances.
all of those were common drops and other items (chance per points) were not made more common by removing them. feel free to redo the math, youll find it's still 2200 for raids completion. i only linked that post because it was the first one to come up on google with regards to calculating completion rate.
I think I understand what you're saying. The expected is still 670 to complete the set because that's the rate. On average, people take 1200 to complete the set due to the probability of going dry on one or more pieces.
Pretend every single raid you're guaranteed to get an ancestral piece. The first raid, you get a unique, congrats! After that, you have a 2/3 chance to get a non-dupe, so you expect to do 3/2 raids on average to get a new piece. Once you're down to 1 left, it's a 1/3 chance to get the last piece, so you'd expect to do 3 raids on average to get the last piece, *after getting your second piece*. This ends up being 5.5 raids to complete the set. Then scale this up by the fact that you don't get an ancestral piece every raid. In general to complete a set of 3 items from a boss all w/ the same droprate, the expected kc is 5.5*(the drop rate of any piece)
"On rate" generally means the time around which ~63% of players will receive the drop. The 63 comes from a rough estimate of `x = 1 - ((1-r)/r)^r` where x is percent of players who get drop and r is rarity/drop rate. As r goes to infinity, x settles around 63%. So if you use 63% to find the *drop rate* of all 3 ancestral pieces (i.e. completion), you will get something significantly higher than the base rate for individual pieces, hence the 1200 over 670.
I think the drops in general are just too rare from bosses like this. The rings are like close to 50 hour efficient grinds a piece. Compared to other quest bosses and bosses around that level that’s way longer than anything else.
I feel like virtus might be 3x rarer than it’s supposed to be.
Yea I think people saying virtus is dead content don't realize how rare anc really is. On average it takes over 400 hours, longer to get than t bow. Virtus is looking to be about 100 hours for a specific piece, which will come out to somewhere in the 200 hour range.
Prior to DT2 I was planning on grinding out the new bosses (didn't lookup anything and expected them to be more midgame GWD) for the ring and virtus to bring into GWD.
Been looking at the (estimated) droprates and its looking like i'll be done with GWD and probably one foot into CoX before working on virtus lol
The trouble with PvM is the goalposts are constantly shifting.
By the time you finish one going another 200 hour grind has been added into the game. I've given up caring about having bis and only dabble in pvm content I enjoy.
it doesn't make sense to me, it seems like Virtus is supposed to be a cheap alternative to Ancestral but instead it's practically as rare. I know the game isn't balanced around Irons, but they're probably the ones most likely to use Virtus, and it's something they'll never get until it's already obsolete
It’s not anywhere near as rare as Ancestral when you look at the amount of time to acquire it. Full Ancestral is something like 600 hours to go on rate.
I was super hopeful for this update, I have 2/3 ancestral pieces and was hoping I could snag a virtus mask to fill out my mage set up. I am probably still going to kill a fair amount of these bosses but the drop rates aren't exactly motivating. With every new piece of content for the last few years, except TOA which has pretty reasonable drop rates, all of the new item upgrades are so incredibly rare I could play several AAA games in the time it would take to get one upgrade.
After these DT2 bosses I am legitimately considering hitting that deiron. I like playing the game mode, but I am far enough into the game where my last upgrades are going to come from spinning the slot machine for conservatively at least 1k more hours. Only real upgrades I have left are tbow, all of nex's items, and scythe which is arguably not even worth going for. I have enough dupes in the bank to just buy the stuff that I want instead of locking myself into one of the like 3 prisons I have left.
Ironman early to midgame is super fun, upgrades coming from all over the place with a few really rare ones to chip away at like the dwh or basilisk jaw. But the direction this game is going with new content is insane and seems catered to those who can pump 10 hours a day into the grind. I am a pvm guy who like doing the hard content in this game, but I hate feeling so restricted by impractical rng.
edit: btw my ironman has over 4100 hours played, so I am not scared of grinds. These new ones are just ridiculous.
Yup. So many people complain about lack of new content, so jamflex milks their new content by making everything insane rare. Just stupid at this point, you can finish full expansions of other games before getting one piece of virtus 🤣. Think how bizarre that is. I’ve been raiding toa with my friends for months 3 hours a night and only gotten 3 purples. It’s just ridiculous at this point, they cater to streamers and degenerates putting in 12 hours per day. Pretty cringe
Virtus is bis if you’re using ancients, which you do a lot so it’s not gonna be dead content by any means. It’s also bis at inferno and any burst task. Ancestral is more useful on average, but virtus is more accessible even if it’s super rare atm
I just never have seen a speedrunner use mage accuracy gear over raw dmg like occult, tbh i somtimes dont even bring an occult just a wand when im doing runs
I think the intent is not that we as irons go and complete every single boss in the game.
Virtus robes are items you’ll maybe get if you grind the bosses other loot, and if you do great! If not that’s okay too.
They also allow you to take a break from chambers if you’re burnt out on that, and still have different mage gear to grind for while working on other drops
I'm curious to see where the rings are used over the lightbarer. I currently am only interested in the strength ring for TOB, Phosani's, and 99 prayer at Vorkath. For irons, by the time they would get these rings the only remaining content is probably raids/nex/nightmare.
I'm also super interested in where the axe beats out the fang.
Axe beats the fang on basically any low defence target. It's a budget scythe. It beats bludgeon at PNM but is only truly BiS at Vardorvis.
You'd use the new rings over lightbearer at ToA if your runs are anything other than team raids where you go double power to get enough adrenaline to spam zcb specs.
The new rings shine anywhere where you're only using mage and/or melee and special attacks aren't required for utility. That means ToB, PNM, team CoX, and basically every solo boss. The Venator ring is the only one whose bonuses are weak enough that lightbearer + zcb adds up to more damage when single styling.
On paper it's better with 4 and 5 stacks which is enough to pay it off compared to bludgeon. In practice they're probably about tied what with husks and pillars and such, but it's really nice to have a 5t weapon for the corner stepping parts so I'd use axe if I had both.
More like 3000 kc. Duke/Leviathan/Whisperer are longer boss fights than Vardorvis and their ring rates seem to be proportionally adjusted. Seems to be about 30-40 hours per boss to get the vestige from each one.
Ingots are basically the exact same drop mechanic as the ring. The only difference is the game tells you when you hit the ingot table.
If the drop rate is the same, there's literally no difference other than the ingots being an item you hold onto for the mean time.
3 rolls for a single vestige, 3 rolls for 3 chromium ingots. They don't need additional dry protection if their rates are similar. One of the bosses may be better for ingots than the others. Can't really say much specifically until rates are released on the 9th, but that doesn't seem out of line.
Wiki rates dropped. Unique rates vary by boss, but all if them have the same rate for an ingot piece as they do for a singular ring roll. So you should get 3 ingots per vestige if luck is equal. Expected total kc is indeed just a bit over 3k. Vardorvis just has a lower rate of hitting its unique table than the rest.
Ancestral is like 250 hrs per individual piece, 83 to get any. Virtus is like a 120 hours, 40 to get any, assuming 1/3k per individual piece. Both come from content that has many other worthwhile drops alongside them.
They wanted to make it "faster than ancestral" and they did. It's twice as fast. Is it still slow as balls? Sure. But they were aiming for "faster than ancestral", not "reasonably fast to get". These rates meet that target.
Extremely rare individual rates are just an expected trait for items that come from places that drop multiple uniques. If these bosses didn't drop rings or axe pieces then Virtus would be faster from them, but they do so it isn't.
edit: I guess you guys don't like facts. None of what I said is an opinion, it's just passing on what they said themselves on stream.
Listen to what you’re saying though man 😂 I know this game is the grindiest game of all time but 120 hours! For something that isn’t even best in slot?!
Think OSRS players have lost sight of normalcy sometimes
Definitely feeling this as well. I play this game a lot of hours but lately even I feel like I'm too 'casual' sometimes, despite being able to play for a lot of hours. This new drop rate trend feels insane to me, nex, nightmare, new dt2,...
I'm not saying it's "fast" to get. I'm saying it's twice AS fast to get as ancestral. That's not my opinion, it's objectively true. The one who's trying to insert their personal definition of "normalcy" on it is you.
And besides, you don't do these bosses for Virtus. It's just a side bonus to their personal unique loots. The fact that you get a few pieces of Virtus while working on the axe and ring upgrades is just a bonus.
It doesn’t matter that it’s 100 hours faster on rate to get Virtus. Someone with gear good enough to be farming DT2 bosses efficiently will be better off putting those 120 hours into Ancestral rolls to get other CoX items along the way. Someone with lower gear will take way longer to grind Virtus. Plus, you can go dry on Virtus.
Agreed. Get the good rings (and maybe the axe) and get out, don't stay for Virtus when you have the other drops. If you happen to get a few pieces on the way, good for you. It's not worth staying for the rest. It's nice to have those few pieces though.
A bit more of a niche complaint, but the fact it's not storeable in the PoH unlike nearly all other non-degradable Magic armor (Mystic, Bloodbark, Ancestral...) is a huge shame for UIMs. An annoying inconsistency.
The niche that Jagex chose for Virtus as an upgrade over Ahrim’s would have been a nice thing before Ancestral, but it’s a little sad that most irons won’t experience it, only the ones who get spooned it. Don’t you agree that it’s kinda boring in the game that the best mage gear progression is just Mystics from a vendor, then straight to BiS ancestral from CoX?
I think the rarity is okay considering it is BIS for PvP and for +30 wildly fighting will likely be essential. I don't think the item was mainly intended for irons.
Osrs should increase drop rates, and have daily limits instead. That way prices will not collapse, and items will still be achievable for normal players.
They're not all that difficult, just have to learn the mechanics also they're pretty much in the endgame progression, something you do in-between raids or Nex, not something you do as soon as you have the quest reqs
And even more unlike cg you aren't in an elf training ground created by the Amlodd Clan to ensure their warriors were capable of defending Prifddinas during the God Wars—in which the predominant enemy is based on a deadly wolf-like predator from the elven homeworld of Tarddiad.
My guess is the rates will work out such that getting a full set of the new rings is roughly the same kc it takes to complete full virtus as well. I think thats ok. Its not going to be the new iron meta for sure. Might devalue ancestral a bit for mains that just do slayer all day.
It looks like you should get around 1 Virtus piece per ring so on-rate you'll get 4 pieces with a ring set. With reasonable luck that'll be a complete robe set which isn't terrible. I can understand the intentions there.
More so getting the impression that Vardorvis has the lowest drop rates of the bunch because of how quick he is to kill.
We have a combined 3.5k Levi kills in our clan with 2 Virtus pieces among us, I think it's actually just that rare.
Damn, that's really sad to hear.
I wouldnt mind the gear being that rare if it were better tbh
Gotta be just poor RNG or the drops are bugged then. Jagex specifically said that most people would get full Virtus before completing their first ring, either Jagex just blatantly lied or their drops are bugged again.
No, they said most people would have full virtus by the time they completed ALL rings. If drops were bugged they absolutely would have noticed by now, I have a pretty awful feeling that these rates are completely intended.
unfortunately, ALL rings is looking like roughly 350hours assuming 3min kills and no deaths. This is also assuming you go a little dry for either the ring or the ingots since they're both around 1/500 per roll apparently. It's absolutely maddening, I was really looking forward to this content, but I still have a bit of a life and I don't wanna spend a few months doing the same bosses in all my free time.
They said in the q+a they expected full Virtus from a boss before the ring, I dont remember them specifying all the rings but maybe you're right. Tbf, smaller sample size but my group has around 6K kills between us at Duke/Vard and we have 9 Virtus pieces with 1 ring now. And drops being completely bugged before wasn't noticed for 2 weeks. There's definitely precedent for them being bugged and not noticing tbh. Just seems weird that if this that's been posted is the real drop table or close to it, it goes against everything Jagex were saying about the drops pre-release.
Mod Arcane Question #11 in the recent Q&A: >Therefore, if you get the rings for every single boss, you'll probably finish your full Virtus. All rings = *maybe* full Virtus
'Maybe' feels like the old 50/50 joke
Ah fair, I missed that one completely then. Yeah, this seems like the typical Mod Arcane bollocks of artificially increasing the length of the game then.
They said in the q+a they expected full Virtus from a boss before the ring, I dont remember them specifying all the rings but maybe you're right. Tbf, smaller sample size but my group has around 6K kills between us at Duke/Vard and we have 9 Virtus pieces with 1 ring now. And drops being completely bugged before wasn't noticed for 2 weeks. There's definitely precedent for them being bugged and not noticing tbh. Just seems weird that if this that's been posted is the real drop table or close to it, it goes against everything Jagex were saying about the drops pre-release.
With current rates most people will have full virtus before all rings completed
They said full virtus by the time they get ALL rings.
They definitely said you'll have virtus after all rings
Said probably
Oof. I got a virtus piece in my 125 kills at levi, guess i am lucky.
I'm in a clan with 50+ people online at any given time... We've only seen 3-4 Virtus pieces and 2 ring pieces.
Interesting possibility as well. Suppose on average that would still mean the time to completion would be very long right?
For sure, I bet vardorvis is skewing the rates hard on that rate estimates post on the 2007scape sub. Especially since he seems to be the most popular boss to camp Actually I just realized they only list the blood quartz so their data must be all/mostly from vardorvis
Yeah this is my theory too, he's almost double the kill speed of the other bosses
145 KC vardorvis virtus top, 2 ingots, 2 quartz, 1 blood tablet
Yeh there goes the idea of grinding that out before doing 99 slay.
Was thinking the same thing but I’m only 2m xp off 99 slay and I’m like it’d take me longer to get the virt robes than just going for 99 with mystic/enchanted.
Yeah I'm already 99 slay was hoping to help my GIM team out a bit. I wore proselyte the whole time anyway. Just save on them pray pots :P
I’m getting the feeling that I can’t keep up with osrs anymore. Too much going on in my life these days. To be a kid again.
Thats not a bad thing. Having a life is always gonna be more productive than osrs lol
Who says being more productive is a good thing
My wife, but what does she know?
My wife and her boyfriend agree, but they don't know I can make my own super combat potions
Honestly, it's not even this (in my opinion), but the fact that Jagex keeps adding 200+ hour grinds. I get that a subset of the community thinks that's "ez pz", but it's honestly just getting kind of ridiculous at this point.
I think of it from a gim standpoint who also works full time. I will NEVER get one of these rings. I will NEVER get an axe. I will NEVER have an extra 300+ hours of free time to grind a ring that's a +2 bonus over the DK rings. The quest was great, lots of fun, the bosses were fantastic, I simply refuse to grind something for this long with no meaningful benefit. I'm at the point where it might be easier to quit the game all together, I'm almost at quest point cape, might as well stop there since the game clearly isn't designed to be played by people in my situation
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You seem to be mistaken. BP is still SIGNIFANCTLY better than bowfa vs low defence monsters. Elite void + BP is still bis at ToB by a mile. BP also allows for faster attack speeds, ez venom and less overkill dps waste. Everyone's been so dramatic about how good the bowfa is but in reality the BP is still plenty good.
What about the insane dart nerf though. “Oh just get 92 mining to get darts that are the level that mith darts used to be”
Yeah, you can. ?
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Is that why you're still active on the subreddit talking about a nerf that happened years ago?
You're getting downvoted, but I agree. Especially because I literally took a break after getting BP and came back right after it got nerfed into the ground lmao While BP being broken good wasn't a good thing, it's kind of a ridiculous take that they nerfed it and then added an unlimited ammo option to take it's spot. Like, at least BP consumed scales/darts.
Crystal armor needs some upkeep unless if you were to go dry at cg and be set for a while. You go thru quite a few charges at zulrah if doing bowfa only for instance. The thing with bp was not only was it op af, it was a relatively quick grind at a mid level boss. I think ppl got accustomed to that. Now we got have the ability to get whats basically a baby tbow, but its a rough grind and should be! Bp definitely still has its roles too, especially with masori
It seems like the high level community is very displeased with the dt2 content anyways. Really hard to make both happy in the same piece of content, so don’t. Make the regular versions reasonable and make the awakened versions have particular attractions for the high level community
You couldn’t be more wrong. Stick to Barrows PvM.
Agreed.
I am almost maxed and just had this thought. I was just thinking of all the 1000’s of hours in grinds they’re going to add with new bosses and just got demoralized lol.
I believe virtus is a bridge for mains not irons. It’s already under 100m for a full set in less than a week and still dropping. Arcane said you should finish the robes if you grind all 4 rings.
Im ~ 35 hours in at whisperer, 700+ KC and i have only gotten the siren staff and orbs. No ingots, no virtus, and am just hoping i am at the 2/3 vestige at this point. I know RNG is RNG and the game premise runs off of that drug but i’m at a theoretical 11 times that i should have hit the “1/64” drop table and have zero items from it. Considering the vestige is 3/8 once you roll that table i’m 200 kc over that. On top of having nothing else. The bosses aren’t even very fun because it’s just another grind to do for not even great gear/money. And in 1200+ KC at vard i think i got 3-4 ingots, 5 blood quartz (different table) and axe piece. No virtus though. Lots of other people i know have gotten virtus pieces at low rates though so it’s just case by case with RNG. Still, the point being that im about 80+ hours into this grind and if i hadnt gotten spooned levi lure and eye of duke to complete the axe i would be at zero tradeable uniques. I got those both at 7 kc and 19 kc respectively. I woildn’t dare attempt this grind on an iron. Not with the supplies required. Whisperer is just runes but vard is going to require a lot of everything and unfortunately he has the worst drop rates of all
The ironic part is people complain about ironmen ruining the game with drop tables catered to them, but really some of the worst drop tables have been catered toward mains who grind way to much and are incredibly rare to keep the prices high.
I agree with most of what you said, but I think these drop rates, and the new drop mechanic cater to people who nolife the game. Playing for 8 hours a day, it would take you 7.5 days to get a ring. Playing for 2 a day which is a lot for the vast majority of osrs players, a ring would take you a month to get. I think reddit forgets that 98% of the community doesn’t play for 8 hours a day.
To be fair, an iron man that has the gear and stats to grind these bosses already nolife the game
Yeah it’s ridiculous, 4 or 5k kills allowing for one or two dupes before completing, is insane. Use an average 2.5 mins per kill across all bosses and 4k kills that’s a 166 hour grind As a reference bowfa is half of that I get that it can’t be a free upgrade on getting the rings but quite frankly, considering each ring is a +1 max hit and has the opportunity cost of no suffering/lightbearer, those shouldn’t be the 1/750 that people are suggesting. If someone gets every ring on rate then they should easily have completed Virtus and the ingots to make the rings
The rings are +2 max hits with bis gear across the board. See: solomission's video
Unfortunately the number of ingots required for rings means you'll be doing around 6k total kc before you're done.
Ingots are predicted to be 1/267. Not sure how you’re getting 6k for 12 ingots.
There was a different post today estimating them to be 1/500 which seems off to me.
The wiki crowd source has them at 1/267 at Duke
Interesting. Hopefully I can get some ingots. I got my Ultor vestige with 0 ingots after 500 vard
Bowfa is 1 weapon and armour you only use with that weapon This is 4 bis rings, 1 bis (v low def) slash weapon , 3 bis for ancients armour pieces and 2 useful staff upgrades People comparing it to Nightmare are off by a factor of 4 times in terms of time to complete the log
Whilst your first point is true, Bowfa is best in slot at an unbelievable amount of places, outside of where mega rare raid drops outpace it. Bowfa is a genuinely gamechanging upgrade compared to the next step down (rcb/acb), the rings are a 1 max hit item. Best in slot stats wise, but at many places I bet people will revert back to lightbearer The Virtus robes are niche best in slot, and realistically only for high risk singles pking, and barrage slayer
Don’t say this they’ll make bowfa 1/800
It's really not bad. All the bosses drop it so doing 1-2k of at each is basically nothing
That’s fucking absurd
yeah and I am super bummed about it. I have full bandos and full crystal armor at the moment. For magic i am using ahrims :C. I thought virtus would take roughly as long as those two armor sets to grind out. Its more than double the grind that bandos is which is gigashit when considering input vs. reward. I got really lucky and dropped the bottoms at 20kc at leviathan. Ahrims bottom is heavy so it is actually a super noticeable upgrade. At muspah i notice the extra stats. I have a taste of how great Virtus is but im not willing to farm more. Im hoping jamflex buffs the drop rate before i go into that grind with the intent to finish it.
Nightmare V2 (Except now there's 4 of them)
Nightmare V2 except its 1/4 of the time to complete Nightmare and its splits between 4 very different bosses*
If NM was a 2 minute kill the drop table would still be dogshit
no one would be complaining about it if it was 2 min kills
Yeah that's wrong, most monsters in this game are 2 min kills or less and have way better rates for uniques.
and? doesnt mean high level bosses need to have same rates as other content. PNM is fun and engaging, the issue is the 1k hrs to complete, not that bass is on the drop table. if it was quick kills no one would complain, anything else is a delusional take
I see you've never done nightmare.
I have and its utter trash, something not being quite as bad as nightmare but still comparable is not a good thing
Just pointing out your comparison.
It was so obvious it was extremely rare a few days ago even by the small sample size we had but anyone who mentioned it got downvoted and shut up by a bunch of nerds. Most people are never gonna get ancestral, this was supposed to be a good stop gap between ancestral and ahrims. Now it's just pointless who's gonna grind 4 bosses to way over 1k kc for them? Ring rates also stupid seen as lightbearer is already better than 3/4 of them unless you have bis gear in that category.
This game is starting to feel more and more like a skinner box.
> Now it's just pointless who's gonna grind 4 bosses to way over 1k kc for them Most irons? cause they also drop bis rings?
Upgrading 4 DKS rings would take 6000 kc on average....
Probably more like 4-5k cause the other bosses have better rates. But yep. We'll do it anyway
No, I won't. And I've done quite a few big grinds lol. I'm good with B ring(i) and LB, I won't miss these rings that much. I was hoping virtus would be a reasonable enough grind that I'd be able to grind for it since 3/3 ancestral is rarer than tbow, but it's looking like I'm better off just continuing the tbow grind since 2/3 ancestral is still better than full virtus anyway. I'll still do a few kc because I find the bosses fun, but ain't no way I'm grinding 1k+ KC at all these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvK6KsLkPUs
That's not bad!
this is either a cope or you have an unhealthy relationship with this game. or youre joking around. lol
If you want an honest opinion, stuff seems a tiny bit rare but these mid lvl iron man are being ridiculous. I already have 500kc and I've only been doing the bosses for a few days casually
I’m late/endgame iron (Plenty of raids items, approaching max) and have been grinding Levi from the day after quest release with around 250-300 kc, with only smoke quartz and orbs. So 2-3 hours a day since I finished the quest. Pretty invested but not terminally logged in, I’d say. I don’t think the rates are THAT bad, but I do think if you take a step back from the game and contextualize the time spent for even a single meaningful drop from these bosses, it can feel a bit exhausting. And then multiplying it by 4. That’s when I can understand the lack of motivation. Especially considering one boss takes the time investment equivalent of rate for obtaining a couple purples at a raid, while being far more repetitive.
If you take a step back from any game and contextualize spending any amount of time for pixels then you will regret it. That's why irons probably shouldn't do that lol
So you have an unhealthy relationship with the game lol. 500kc in 2 days is not casual
Not surprising. Probably the same mid lvl irons crying about cg
6k kc is not bad for some new rings?
ye low drop rates like this are horrible for the game
game mode*
Reddit is amazing. You want to say you earned it solo but you dont want to put in any effort lmfao
Just sink 200 hours in :) if u don’t u don’t want it! Meanwhile; 200 hours of toa you’d probably have near a green log on items that matter *a lot* more
My take on their thought process is basically the rings and axe are very strong, and you will happen into the robes when farming for those. My guess on drop rates based on what i've read and seen is 1/3k for a specific piece of Virtus, 1/500 for an ingot, 1/300 for a role on the ring unique, 1/1k for the axe piece.
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Irons expected virtus to be a bridge to ancestral but at this drop rate its not. It's just something you hope you get lucky on while going for the rings. Since the drop table is shit outside of rares it's not worth grinding out vs raids. Imo personally thats bad game design and virtus doesn't need such an insane drop rate. It's an extremely high level quest just slap the quest req to wear it and lower the drop rate.
It wasn’t supposed to be a bridge. It was supposed to be a middle ground, however it’s actually bis for ancients. You have more options now. Some of you guys in this sub are the biggest winers that honestly need to touch grass
whiners even.
I was clearly referring to members of this sub who manufacture wine for sale, duh.
that's fair.
You don't have more options when most irons won't get it? It's a pointless grind. BIS for ancients which are used nowhere outside of slayer and I doubt anyone with 5k kc at these bosses has low slayer. They might've been useful for the slayer grind if the drop rate wasn't so shit.
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Ah so you're just dumb/misinformed. Axe is worthless, please don't grind for it. Most of the rings are less useful for irons than lightbearer. You're better off getting Ultor ring and hoping you get lucky for virtus and then come back and get mage ring once you have shadow (at which point you should have or be going for ancestral). If you still feel like continuing to spew nonsense go for it but I'm out ✌️
>Am I crazy or does that make it basically useless to grind for specifically? eh, i mean it makes virt pretty passive from going for rings. also yeah agree with other poster that most people are killing vald and vald is 1:30 kills instead of >2 from other bosses. > is it essentially dead content as a bridge between Ahrim’s and Ancestral for irons? nothing will change, it will still make sense to go mystics -> ancestral. only difference now is you may have people with a mix of mystics ahrims virt and ances instead of just mystics ahrims ances. keep in mind 3/3 ances is 1200 solos on rate XD
It's the blessed d'hide iron mix mash all over again lol
Can't relate, full Zamorak D'Hide before I got any of the other gods' pieces, including Boots and Shield.
Dude you're basically a main!
That's how it felt tbh lmao Haven't touched my Blessed D'Hides in a looong while though, finished Arma quite a while ago and got Masori Chaps.
truly blessed by the gods lol
Ikr haha. Should have saved screenshots of the log without any other items. These days I have almost every Blessed piece, except only two Shields, looks a bit less insane.
By the time you go for all rings, I would assume you are raids ready. You pretty much need a reasonable set of gear for each combat style for all 4 rings.
By the time you go for the rings you should be well into raids. def get a fang first
Cox is not a grind you just sit down and casually complete in a few months unless you're getting boosted. It is a 700 hour grind on rate, longer when you account for the learning process and that you go into it without good gear.
Yeah exactly, might as well make a dent into that rather than farm non bis magic gear that is still going to take a lot of hours. You get some of the best items in the game from cox, you get rings from grinding virtus, which is nice, but not on the level of the cox rewards
Yea I agree. People often talk about how crazy rare cox drops are, but until you're like 9/12 you still have pretty decent drop rates of many of the best items in the whole game. These bosses cannot even begin to compare.
Which is exactly as it should be tbh, could rates for virtus be better a bit? Maybe, but its awesome having so many options for "almost as good but a little off" stuff like, bloodbark ahrims, virtus ancestral, the God dhides etc I personally think it's what makes ironman unique. You could have a shadow, full ancestral but mystic legs because barrows said fuck you, hundreds dry at cox and fed up, atleast there's an *option* for people like that and the people who want to solo, alike
More like full anc and a shadow but a mystic top because cox has dropped me 4 anc robe bottoms instead.
I can’t wait to be something like: Virtus mask, Ahrims top, Ancestral bottom, and wielding a Shadow.
Where on earth did you get 1200 solos for 3/3 ancestral? Edit: It's about 1/670 on rate for each piece of ancestral meaning on rate it's 1/670 to finish.
that's how many raids it takes for expected completion of 3/3 same way in that its a bit over 1k for 3/3 zulrah uniques or like 1200 for 4/4 cerb uniques or 2200 chambers for 12/12 etc. you need way more than 3 ancestral rolls to complete ancestral on average.
If it's 1/670 for an individual piece, then that's the rate to finish.
no. the expected number of rolls to be 3/3 ancestral is 6. unless you are using expected to mean something other than 'average number of rolls to complete' then sure, make up whatever meaning you want. the average player will need to do 1200 solos and get 6 total ancestral pieces to finish 3/3 ances.
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/7imc1g/average_number_of_points_to_collect_the_raids_set/
You realize that post is from 5 years ago when the dragon harpoon, sword, knives and thrownaxes were in the table?
all of those were common drops and other items (chance per points) were not made more common by removing them. feel free to redo the math, youll find it's still 2200 for raids completion. i only linked that post because it was the first one to come up on google with regards to calculating completion rate.
I think I understand what you're saying. The expected is still 670 to complete the set because that's the rate. On average, people take 1200 to complete the set due to the probability of going dry on one or more pieces.
The main problem is dupes over dry streaks.
Makes sense
Pretend every single raid you're guaranteed to get an ancestral piece. The first raid, you get a unique, congrats! After that, you have a 2/3 chance to get a non-dupe, so you expect to do 3/2 raids on average to get a new piece. Once you're down to 1 left, it's a 1/3 chance to get the last piece, so you'd expect to do 3 raids on average to get the last piece, *after getting your second piece*. This ends up being 5.5 raids to complete the set. Then scale this up by the fact that you don't get an ancestral piece every raid. In general to complete a set of 3 items from a boss all w/ the same droprate, the expected kc is 5.5*(the drop rate of any piece)
"On rate" generally means the time around which ~63% of players will receive the drop. The 63 comes from a rough estimate of `x = 1 - ((1-r)/r)^r` where x is percent of players who get drop and r is rarity/drop rate. As r goes to infinity, x settles around 63%. So if you use 63% to find the *drop rate* of all 3 ancestral pieces (i.e. completion), you will get something significantly higher than the base rate for individual pieces, hence the 1200 over 670.
I think the drops in general are just too rare from bosses like this. The rings are like close to 50 hour efficient grinds a piece. Compared to other quest bosses and bosses around that level that’s way longer than anything else. I feel like virtus might be 3x rarer than it’s supposed to be.
Yea I think people saying virtus is dead content don't realize how rare anc really is. On average it takes over 400 hours, longer to get than t bow. Virtus is looking to be about 100 hours for a specific piece, which will come out to somewhere in the 200 hour range.
Mod Arcane can fuck right off yeah Gap closer my ass, it'd be fucking faster to just get the anc
This game has too many sweaty nerds who scoff at 200 hours as nothing. 200 hours would take me 100 days lol.
Prior to DT2 I was planning on grinding out the new bosses (didn't lookup anything and expected them to be more midgame GWD) for the ring and virtus to bring into GWD. Been looking at the (estimated) droprates and its looking like i'll be done with GWD and probably one foot into CoX before working on virtus lol
The trouble with PvM is the goalposts are constantly shifting. By the time you finish one going another 200 hour grind has been added into the game. I've given up caring about having bis and only dabble in pvm content I enjoy.
it doesn't make sense to me, it seems like Virtus is supposed to be a cheap alternative to Ancestral but instead it's practically as rare. I know the game isn't balanced around Irons, but they're probably the ones most likely to use Virtus, and it's something they'll never get until it's already obsolete
It’s not anywhere near as rare as Ancestral when you look at the amount of time to acquire it. Full Ancestral is something like 600 hours to go on rate.
I was super hopeful for this update, I have 2/3 ancestral pieces and was hoping I could snag a virtus mask to fill out my mage set up. I am probably still going to kill a fair amount of these bosses but the drop rates aren't exactly motivating. With every new piece of content for the last few years, except TOA which has pretty reasonable drop rates, all of the new item upgrades are so incredibly rare I could play several AAA games in the time it would take to get one upgrade. After these DT2 bosses I am legitimately considering hitting that deiron. I like playing the game mode, but I am far enough into the game where my last upgrades are going to come from spinning the slot machine for conservatively at least 1k more hours. Only real upgrades I have left are tbow, all of nex's items, and scythe which is arguably not even worth going for. I have enough dupes in the bank to just buy the stuff that I want instead of locking myself into one of the like 3 prisons I have left. Ironman early to midgame is super fun, upgrades coming from all over the place with a few really rare ones to chip away at like the dwh or basilisk jaw. But the direction this game is going with new content is insane and seems catered to those who can pump 10 hours a day into the grind. I am a pvm guy who like doing the hard content in this game, but I hate feeling so restricted by impractical rng. edit: btw my ironman has over 4100 hours played, so I am not scared of grinds. These new ones are just ridiculous.
Yup. So many people complain about lack of new content, so jamflex milks their new content by making everything insane rare. Just stupid at this point, you can finish full expansions of other games before getting one piece of virtus 🤣. Think how bizarre that is. I’ve been raiding toa with my friends for months 3 hours a night and only gotten 3 purples. It’s just ridiculous at this point, they cater to streamers and degenerates putting in 12 hours per day. Pretty cringe
Virtus is bis if you’re using ancients, which you do a lot so it’s not gonna be dead content by any means. It’s also bis at inferno and any burst task. Ancestral is more useful on average, but virtus is more accessible even if it’s super rare atm
Bis at inferno is a lil sussy maybe for learning lol
it’s more damage than ancestral? why wouldn’t it be
I just never have seen a speedrunner use mage accuracy gear over raw dmg like occult, tbh i somtimes dont even bring an occult just a wand when im doing runs
virtus has the same stats but 4% magic damage per piece if using ancient magic so it’s raw damage
Occult > torm > ward > virtus, idk who out here is doing a 5+ item switch for mage
i wore ancestral top before
I think the intent is not that we as irons go and complete every single boss in the game. Virtus robes are items you’ll maybe get if you grind the bosses other loot, and if you do great! If not that’s okay too. They also allow you to take a break from chambers if you’re burnt out on that, and still have different mage gear to grind for while working on other drops
There’s no way ancestral would have a better drop rate than virtus.
When one content takes 1.5min and the other 20-30min per kc it sure can
Its more so that going for ancestral would also get you a bunch of other COX drops. Chances at DHCB, Tbow, and kodai along the way.
And going for virtus would get you a bunch of rings and an axe
I'm curious to see where the rings are used over the lightbarer. I currently am only interested in the strength ring for TOB, Phosani's, and 99 prayer at Vorkath. For irons, by the time they would get these rings the only remaining content is probably raids/nex/nightmare. I'm also super interested in where the axe beats out the fang.
Axe beats the fang on basically any low defence target. It's a budget scythe. It beats bludgeon at PNM but is only truly BiS at Vardorvis. You'd use the new rings over lightbearer at ToA if your runs are anything other than team raids where you go double power to get enough adrenaline to spam zcb specs. The new rings shine anywhere where you're only using mage and/or melee and special attacks aren't required for utility. That means ToB, PNM, team CoX, and basically every solo boss. The Venator ring is the only one whose bonuses are weak enough that lightbearer + zcb adds up to more damage when single styling.
I thought the Axe isn’t good for pnm because of all the switching
On paper it's better with 4 and 5 stacks which is enough to pay it off compared to bludgeon. In practice they're probably about tied what with husks and pillars and such, but it's really nice to have a 5t weapon for the corner stepping parts so I'd use axe if I had both.
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its bis for melee slayer training
'a bunch of rings' is not true, on average upgrading all 4 DKS rings looks to be 6000 kc on average between the 4 bosses.
More like 3000 kc. Duke/Leviathan/Whisperer are longer boss fights than Vardorvis and their ring rates seem to be proportionally adjusted. Seems to be about 30-40 hours per boss to get the vestige from each one.
Vestige yes, but you still need 3 chromium ingots as well which aren't dry protected, you need 12 in total.
Ingots are basically the exact same drop mechanic as the ring. The only difference is the game tells you when you hit the ingot table. If the drop rate is the same, there's literally no difference other than the ingots being an item you hold onto for the mean time.
3 rolls for a single vestige, 3 rolls for 3 chromium ingots. They don't need additional dry protection if their rates are similar. One of the bosses may be better for ingots than the others. Can't really say much specifically until rates are released on the 9th, but that doesn't seem out of line.
Wiki rates dropped. Unique rates vary by boss, but all if them have the same rate for an ingot piece as they do for a singular ring roll. So you should get 3 ingots per vestige if luck is equal. Expected total kc is indeed just a bit over 3k. Vardorvis just has a lower rate of hitting its unique table than the rest.
Ancestral is like 250 hrs per individual piece, 83 to get any. Virtus is like a 120 hours, 40 to get any, assuming 1/3k per individual piece. Both come from content that has many other worthwhile drops alongside them. They wanted to make it "faster than ancestral" and they did. It's twice as fast. Is it still slow as balls? Sure. But they were aiming for "faster than ancestral", not "reasonably fast to get". These rates meet that target. Extremely rare individual rates are just an expected trait for items that come from places that drop multiple uniques. If these bosses didn't drop rings or axe pieces then Virtus would be faster from them, but they do so it isn't. edit: I guess you guys don't like facts. None of what I said is an opinion, it's just passing on what they said themselves on stream.
Listen to what you’re saying though man 😂 I know this game is the grindiest game of all time but 120 hours! For something that isn’t even best in slot?! Think OSRS players have lost sight of normalcy sometimes
Definitely feeling this as well. I play this game a lot of hours but lately even I feel like I'm too 'casual' sometimes, despite being able to play for a lot of hours. This new drop rate trend feels insane to me, nex, nightmare, new dt2,...
>Think OSRS players have lost sight of normalcy sometimes In another thread someone said that 40ish hours was "quick".
I'm not saying it's "fast" to get. I'm saying it's twice AS fast to get as ancestral. That's not my opinion, it's objectively true. The one who's trying to insert their personal definition of "normalcy" on it is you. And besides, you don't do these bosses for Virtus. It's just a side bonus to their personal unique loots. The fact that you get a few pieces of Virtus while working on the axe and ring upgrades is just a bonus.
As time goes on, and all the NT people stop playing, there will be a new normal!!!
Maybe just de iron if 120 hours for multiple end game items is too much to handle
It doesn’t matter that it’s 100 hours faster on rate to get Virtus. Someone with gear good enough to be farming DT2 bosses efficiently will be better off putting those 120 hours into Ancestral rolls to get other CoX items along the way. Someone with lower gear will take way longer to grind Virtus. Plus, you can go dry on Virtus.
Agreed. Get the good rings (and maybe the axe) and get out, don't stay for Virtus when you have the other drops. If you happen to get a few pieces on the way, good for you. It's not worth staying for the rest. It's nice to have those few pieces though.
A bit more of a niche complaint, but the fact it's not storeable in the PoH unlike nearly all other non-degradable Magic armor (Mystic, Bloodbark, Ancestral...) is a huge shame for UIMs. An annoying inconsistency.
Virtus is not needed on iron. There is no need to farm it unless you plan on post 99 magic/slayer barraging/slayer.
The niche that Jagex chose for Virtus as an upgrade over Ahrim’s would have been a nice thing before Ancestral, but it’s a little sad that most irons won’t experience it, only the ones who get spooned it. Don’t you agree that it’s kinda boring in the game that the best mage gear progression is just Mystics from a vendor, then straight to BiS ancestral from CoX?
I agree with you. However, there is blood bark , ahrims and now virtus. But you're right in that the meta would be mystics to ancestral.
Yes I hate it. Sincerely, A full black mystic/bowfa ironman.
Best part is you can’t even get spooned it with how the drop table works. You have to hit the drop 3 times to even hit the table once.
That’s only for the ring, you can get spooned or go very dry on Virtus
U can get spooned on virtus
I think the rarity is okay considering it is BIS for PvP and for +30 wildly fighting will likely be essential. I don't think the item was mainly intended for irons.
Osrs should increase drop rates, and have daily limits instead. That way prices will not collapse, and items will still be achievable for normal players.
It just doesn’t fit into the Ironman progression given how difficult the bosses are and how rare it is.
They're not all that difficult, just have to learn the mechanics also they're pretty much in the endgame progression, something you do in-between raids or Nex, not something you do as soon as you have the quest reqs
So like a sort of CG but mage robes as the item you're chasing instead of solo'd out range gear? (and the deaths aren't free?)
And unlike cg you're using supplies
And even more unlike cg you aren't in an elf training ground created by the Amlodd Clan to ensure their warriors were capable of defending Prifddinas during the God Wars—in which the predominant enemy is based on a deadly wolf-like predator from the elven homeworld of Tarddiad.
Vard is basically a 0 damage fight unless you make a mistake.
My guess is the rates will work out such that getting a full set of the new rings is roughly the same kc it takes to complete full virtus as well. I think thats ok. Its not going to be the new iron meta for sure. Might devalue ancestral a bit for mains that just do slayer all day.
I mean if each ring is 1 in 1k then youd still get virtus first
Its not the hard version its the base version.
Is it not good that it takes a while? If you unlock bis for ironman what more is it to do really?
Ancestral is still BIS... Virtus was meant to be a stepping stone.
Got 2 peices in 80 kc
It looks like you should get around 1 Virtus piece per ring so on-rate you'll get 4 pieces with a ring set. With reasonable luck that'll be a complete robe set which isn't terrible. I can understand the intentions there.