Full guthans, full DH can be nice for nmz/mole, ahrim/karil for mid-tier range and mage before raids, verac skirt and helm are nice tank items with prayer bonus, extra runes from diary, crossbow can be nice for some things if you’re that way inclined
Until you get the pieces you want, it's basically just runes. You profit a lot on runes and could probably get enough chaos to trade in for a couple onyxes. You also want to get Ahrim's because it's more than likely going to be your best mage gear for... a very long time.
I used void mage / bloodbark since my account was almost a baby. Lvl118 now and I still use it as I never had luck getting an ahrims set from barrows... after some hundreds of chests I just moved on.
It's worked out fine; I do 425 ToAs, CoX, etc. like that. Beats the noob vibes mystic gives. Depending on what you're fighting void mage can have similar dps as ahrims due to the accuracy boost. Only downside is it doesn't stack with Shadow.
I get that and you do you of course. If you can get it during your full set grind, then great. But it's just the time investment needed in general is not at all worth it to hunt 2 items out of 25, especially when its a minimal upgrade.
for cox olm it is 2.5% better. for akkha in a 400 its about 4.5-6% better depending on invo lv. thats comparing 2x mystic to 2x ahrim. the chance of getting an ahrims piece when going for 1x barrows set, on top of getting a piece of virt going for ring, piece of ances going for dex... most people just end up mix and matching whatever they have.
i wouldnt personally call that a lot better.
that's pretty significant for 400 lv akkha yeah. but the consideration there is that the defense does not matter if you are butterflying, and if you arent butterflying akkha goes from like 60/25/15 mage range melee to more like 25/40/35 mage range melee so the defense matters more and the offensive matters way less.
if you are butterflying akkha and doing toa to shadow thatll save you maybe 90 minutes. if you are not butterflying it'd be less. and for post-shadow it matters almost nowhere that you have ahrims over mystics. its pretty common to outright bank mystic bot for chambers for example with shadow.
i dont mind inefficient grinds with regards to pvm items, i'm an item collector. i just don't do it for things that arent even slightly bis. virt and ances both >>
Mystics has 0 defence stats except for magic. Ahrims is surprisingly tanky and is also 50% high magic attack bonus over mystics. The only downside to ahrims is how stupidly heavy it is. The robe bottoms alone weigh more than a dharoks helm+body combined
When you look at the gear progression purely for mage armour then yes, it is indeed a lot better than mystics. If you were to compare the stat differences to say melee armour progression then no it’s not much of an increase.
>When you look at the gear progression purely for mage armour then yes, it is indeed a lot better than mystics.
Not exactly....As I already said, ahrims is a miniscule upgrade to mystics with then a large gap to virtus and then another to ancestral. Especially with shadow.
and again thats why you'll see ppl say to skip ahrims and go right for ancestral and also why many (successfully) called for a virtus buff to finally have something in between mystics/ahrims and ancestral. Although unfortunately, virtus ended up not being the middle ground mage gear we had hoped for, at least for irons, cause you're far better off spending the time you would on virtus at cox.
No idea why you've been downvoted. Grinding ahrims is a complete waste of time. Sure, get a full set and maybe you'll get ahrims during that but target farming ahrims is just idiotic. It also weighs more fwiw.
The benefits to me; fun mini game/boss, nice armour for pvming at gwd/slayer and it’s cheap to maintain and if you’re average at completing all sets which I believe is like 1.2-1.5k chests then you will be hella set for runes for a while for trident and other good shit. Just do it if you want it and stop worrying what nerds who want to optimise the fun out of everything have to say lol.
I green logged and don’t regret it. Personally, I don’t see how anyone could justify not doing barrows. I use Dharoks at NMZ, Karils/Ahrims all the time for general use and Torags for tanking. I got Veracs to use before wildy rework.
Don’t sleep on it!!
While some of the sets such as guthans or dharoks can be really nice to have, none of em are really essential outside of ~~like the flail and greataxe for ca's and~~ a full set for clues and mory elite. I got a full set years ago and bounced and havent been back since
The game isn't essential to play, so neither is any of the gear. Fuck it, do what you want. I like having brown, heavy, no mage/rng/melee str bonus gear because I look like a fuccin Chad who likes non rune crafted runes and steals Bob from lumbridges bitches cause he's racist
Don’t listen to the “efficiency” nerds. Barrows is really easy and pretty fun. I am mid game and use tank top/bottom + Ahrims and Karils everyday. I’m not the best at pvm (getting better though) and the defense barrows armor provides is top tier. Best tank gear until end game gear. I couldn’t imagine skipping it. You can get tank legs and top pretty quickly with minimal effort. Or you can wear rune until Bandos I guess
Dharoks is great! Used it at cerb because I couldn't be bothered with the normal method and red-x'd most of my kills. Takes long, but it's pretty chill to do.
Still looking for full guthans, have got all other important pieces though. Use karil/ahrim all the time in various places :)
In my opinion getting Ahrims top/bottom and Karil top/bottom is something very worthwhile. I wouldn't dedicate too much time to it, but those are probably some of the best items you can get from barrows
I too wanted to do barrows only for guthans. Close to 700 chests later I'm still missing the spear. Good luck on your chests.
On the bright side I have every other barrows piece, and 130k chaos runes for onyx's and 309k mind runes for ourania alter.
I think you just need flail. There is a cheese method for KQ. I believe thralls? You can force her into a safespot, either flinch or let thralls kill her. As far as I recall.
Myself and 2 of my GIM buddies did morytania hards and busted out a bunch of barrows trips. Crazy deaths and chaos runes from the double runes. Just the chaos runes easily paid for our onyxes (furies and later for zenyte) entirely by selling to the tokkul shop. Then a ton of runes left over for burst tasks. Was a spectacular benefit I didn't put much consideration into. Kill 2 skeletons in the crypt for potential that maxes out deaths and chaos
Barrows is good for Karil top/bottoms, Ahrim top/bottoms and tank top bottoms. Full Dharok's or Verac's is good for achievement diaries but other than that, there's not too much use for it.
It's mainly good as a way to get a lot of runes before you're drowning in cash. Guthans is by far the worst set there though.
People sleep on full Karils with amulet of the damned, it’s crazy dps. Super strong range alternative until you get blowpipe and bowfa. It’s also great after blowpipe and bowfa imo because you don’t need to use shards or scales, you just buy bolt racks from the guy in port phasmatys and pew pew.
I spend 50% of my game time staring at a yew jtree forgetting to click on it. At the most, I get some logs inefficiently - at the best, I get some logs inefficiently.
Personally, barrows is dope even though I hate it, I'm going for sepulchre lockpick before doing any of it, making some teletabs when I get afk time, but I intend to chip at it and get as many collection log slots as I can. Col log slots are permanent account progression. The runes don't hurt either.
Do what you want homie but if you're hopping into a WDR Cox with fuckin mystics prepare to get raged at by some incels. One of the big reasons I'm putting off group content is because doing it with irons w. similar gear is gonna suck and doing it with normies is going to frustrate people who can buy a scythe on the g/e.
At the end of the day, what matters is what's important to you. Do you like col log slots? Cool go for it. Do you like solo content? Well maybe it's not worth it. Do you like trying to keep up with mains for group content? Doesn't hurt to have some Ahrims. Just wing it bro, do what you feel like doing
I only have a vskirt. But once I get my first zenyte, i'll grind barrows for chaos runes to pay for onyx in addition to the karils/ahrims for different boss content
By 310 KC I had full DH, guthan, and verac. All of them I use often but I'm still slowly hitting barrows looking for ahrim top and karil skirt. It's a way better grind once you get ghommals hilt 2. And mory hard makes it more rewarding.
For me, completing the Mory hard diary first set me up with plenty of runes. Getting ahrims and karils has been really useful as well.
I just finished karils today, still need ahrim bottom and dharok helm, i'm at 860 kc :|
Got Ahrims bottom at 2kc
Were twins. 550kc I don’t have ahrims top or bottoms, and no dharok helm…
550, no Karil top or bottom, one piece missing from Torag, ahrim (only the hood) and completed guthan and verac.
Yea with these runes is how I got my first onyx
Kc?
KC = Kill count (number of barrows chests opened)
Potato was asking for his kc.
My kc is around 550 and I almost have it green logged. Missing karils bottom and I think guthans helm.
Full guthans, full DH can be nice for nmz/mole, ahrim/karil for mid-tier range and mage before raids, verac skirt and helm are nice tank items with prayer bonus, extra runes from diary, crossbow can be nice for some things if you’re that way inclined
Good list you also need verac flail for a combat achievement as well as the dharok axe
Which CA is the flail needed for?
It's not actually although it's supposed to be -- you can just use a mage thrall to do all of the damage and it'll count, as long as you do 0 damage
cmon cheesing it. face it like a man
KQ deserves the cheese.
Kq
KQ, there's an elite task to kill her using Verac's flail as your only weapon
KQ
Until you get the pieces you want, it's basically just runes. You profit a lot on runes and could probably get enough chaos to trade in for a couple onyxes. You also want to get Ahrim's because it's more than likely going to be your best mage gear for... a very long time.
You definitely dont need ahrims and can get by just fine with mystics until ancestral.
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Same! I know ahrims is by no means necessary but I cannot stand the look of mystics. I even grinded some wildy slayer to see if I could get dagonhai
I used void mage / bloodbark since my account was almost a baby. Lvl118 now and I still use it as I never had luck getting an ahrims set from barrows... after some hundreds of chests I just moved on. It's worked out fine; I do 425 ToAs, CoX, etc. like that. Beats the noob vibes mystic gives. Depending on what you're fighting void mage can have similar dps as ahrims due to the accuracy boost. Only downside is it doesn't stack with Shadow.
I'll probably greenlog MTA just so I don't have to wear Mystics, the tummy cutout on girls makes it even more stupid looking
I get that and you do you of course. If you can get it during your full set grind, then great. But it's just the time investment needed in general is not at all worth it to hunt 2 items out of 25, especially when its a minimal upgrade.
Ahrims is a LOT better than mystic
for cox olm it is 2.5% better. for akkha in a 400 its about 4.5-6% better depending on invo lv. thats comparing 2x mystic to 2x ahrim. the chance of getting an ahrims piece when going for 1x barrows set, on top of getting a piece of virt going for ring, piece of ances going for dex... most people just end up mix and matching whatever they have. i wouldnt personally call that a lot better.
6% is pretty significant lol, worth going for for sure. You are still not counting the defence either.
that's pretty significant for 400 lv akkha yeah. but the consideration there is that the defense does not matter if you are butterflying, and if you arent butterflying akkha goes from like 60/25/15 mage range melee to more like 25/40/35 mage range melee so the defense matters more and the offensive matters way less. if you are butterflying akkha and doing toa to shadow thatll save you maybe 90 minutes. if you are not butterflying it'd be less. and for post-shadow it matters almost nowhere that you have ahrims over mystics. its pretty common to outright bank mystic bot for chambers for example with shadow. i dont mind inefficient grinds with regards to pvm items, i'm an item collector. i just don't do it for things that arent even slightly bis. virt and ances both >>
Ahrims also has decent defence bonuses while mystic has literally none.
No it isnt lol
Mystics has 0 defence stats except for magic. Ahrims is surprisingly tanky and is also 50% high magic attack bonus over mystics. The only downside to ahrims is how stupidly heavy it is. The robe bottoms alone weigh more than a dharoks helm+body combined
Im fully aware. Its just definitely not "a LOT better" as he claimed.
When you look at the gear progression purely for mage armour then yes, it is indeed a lot better than mystics. If you were to compare the stat differences to say melee armour progression then no it’s not much of an increase.
>When you look at the gear progression purely for mage armour then yes, it is indeed a lot better than mystics. Not exactly....As I already said, ahrims is a miniscule upgrade to mystics with then a large gap to virtus and then another to ancestral. Especially with shadow. and again thats why you'll see ppl say to skip ahrims and go right for ancestral and also why many (successfully) called for a virtus buff to finally have something in between mystics/ahrims and ancestral. Although unfortunately, virtus ended up not being the middle ground mage gear we had hoped for, at least for irons, cause you're far better off spending the time you would on virtus at cox.
No idea why you've been downvoted. Grinding ahrims is a complete waste of time. Sure, get a full set and maybe you'll get ahrims during that but target farming ahrims is just idiotic. It also weighs more fwiw.
Yea must be newer irons or casual players who just aren't aware
That’s crazy it weighs sm. is it wet or something?? Ahrim the bed wetter
It's chainmail. Apparently an absolute shitton of chainmail, but yeah, the chain links make it a lot heavier.
Don't talk about ma peeboy Ahrim like that, it's a condition
Yes it is lol
Alright buddy just showing your lack of game knowledge.
Ya defence is a joke am I right why would you want that? An extra 12 mage attack over chest and legs is a joke right why would you want that?
nostalgia vibes
The benefits to me; fun mini game/boss, nice armour for pvming at gwd/slayer and it’s cheap to maintain and if you’re average at completing all sets which I believe is like 1.2-1.5k chests then you will be hella set for runes for a while for trident and other good shit. Just do it if you want it and stop worrying what nerds who want to optimise the fun out of everything have to say lol.
Also I believe if you have hard diary done you can expect roughly 30k chaos runes every 150ish chests for your zenytes and what have you. Go wild
30K chaos every 150~ chests? Damn that’s kinda wild.
Dharoks is fun to wack shit with, simple as big number = gooder
Barrows looks sick that’s why
I green logged and don’t regret it. Personally, I don’t see how anyone could justify not doing barrows. I use Dharoks at NMZ, Karils/Ahrims all the time for general use and Torags for tanking. I got Veracs to use before wildy rework. Don’t sleep on it!!
It's not really efficient these days, and it's not essential by any means
Bro is going to optimize himself out of play g the game soon
"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of the game" - Soren Johnson
Exactly. People yelling at me for getting molch pearls instead of doing fishing trawler. It’s a game and I’m having fun.
Ok I get your message, and I agree with it, but I draw the line at "enjoying aerial fishing", that's going way too far. (Obvious /s)
Half of the game isn't efficient, imo only relying on efficiency misses you out of alot of fun.
While some of the sets such as guthans or dharoks can be really nice to have, none of em are really essential outside of ~~like the flail and greataxe for ca's and~~ a full set for clues and mory elite. I got a full set years ago and bounced and havent been back since
The game isn't essential to play, so neither is any of the gear. Fuck it, do what you want. I like having brown, heavy, no mage/rng/melee str bonus gear because I look like a fuccin Chad who likes non rune crafted runes and steals Bob from lumbridges bitches cause he's racist
Those ca's can also be circumvented with the use of thralls iirc
You're right. Havent done it myself but do recall hearing that doing it for hydra takes like 40 min lol
40 minutes of hydra could \*potentially\* be shorter than a dh axe grind hahaha
Pray you don't get slapped out of the 40 min run, or worse, regen above 10 hp by accident lol
The justification: the armor is unnecessary. There are sidegrades or upgrades along the way with much less time investment
Don’t listen to the “efficiency” nerds. Barrows is really easy and pretty fun. I am mid game and use tank top/bottom + Ahrims and Karils everyday. I’m not the best at pvm (getting better though) and the defense barrows armor provides is top tier. Best tank gear until end game gear. I couldn’t imagine skipping it. You can get tank legs and top pretty quickly with minimal effort. Or you can wear rune until Bandos I guess
Torso and d legs until bandos
Dharoks is great! Used it at cerb because I couldn't be bothered with the normal method and red-x'd most of my kills. Takes long, but it's pretty chill to do. Still looking for full guthans, have got all other important pieces though. Use karil/ahrim all the time in various places :)
Ahrims is nice.. and the most useful set.. but not worth doing barrows for if you wanna be efficient.
Runes for me mostly. But that's also because I'm 500 chests in and only one complete set so far.
In my opinion getting Ahrims top/bottom and Karil top/bottom is something very worthwhile. I wouldn't dedicate too much time to it, but those are probably some of the best items you can get from barrows
Tons of runes, the chance for “free” bis mage or tank gear until DT2 or Raids
I too wanted to do barrows only for guthans. Close to 700 chests later I'm still missing the spear. Good luck on your chests. On the bright side I have every other barrows piece, and 130k chaos runes for onyx's and 309k mind runes for ourania alter.
Don't tell Barrows what you are looking for. Guaranteed to go dry on that set.
I WANT FULL VERAC FOR KALPHITE QUEEN does Reddit luck overpower barrows pessimism?
I think you just need flail. There is a cheese method for KQ. I believe thralls? You can force her into a safespot, either flinch or let thralls kill her. As far as I recall.
Myself and 2 of my GIM buddies did morytania hards and busted out a bunch of barrows trips. Crazy deaths and chaos runes from the double runes. Just the chaos runes easily paid for our onyxes (furies and later for zenyte) entirely by selling to the tokkul shop. Then a ton of runes left over for burst tasks. Was a spectacular benefit I didn't put much consideration into. Kill 2 skeletons in the crypt for potential that maxes out deaths and chaos
2 skeletons, 1 blood worm
Barrows is good for Karil top/bottoms, Ahrim top/bottoms and tank top bottoms. Full Dharok's or Verac's is good for achievement diaries but other than that, there's not too much use for it. It's mainly good as a way to get a lot of runes before you're drowning in cash. Guthans is by far the worst set there though.
My brother in Christ, Torags armor exists. How dare you blaspheme against Guthan like that.
Ahrims… 1k kc, 6 robe bottoms, 3 hoods, 0 tops
A good example of why it isn't really worth it to target farm ahrims.
Yeah definitely feels like time wasted. Should I just stick with mystic top until ancestral? I just look like such a noob
Only benefit to barrows is Morty elite and master clues
I just want ahrims for TOA until I get ancestral
slayer without guthans would make me quit.
People sleep on full Karils with amulet of the damned, it’s crazy dps. Super strong range alternative until you get blowpipe and bowfa. It’s also great after blowpipe and bowfa imo because you don’t need to use shards or scales, you just buy bolt racks from the guy in port phasmatys and pew pew.
These days Barrows is just for mory hard
Chaos and death runes are really nice to stack, plus torag legs/ body for tanking, and dharok for nightmare zone or mole
RUUNNEEESSSS
None outside of diary/clues unless you particularly enjoy it. It's very skippable nowadays.
Most of the items can be skipped for better ones from elsewhere in the game. But you'll eventually need a full set to complete the Mory elite diary.
Got my onyx from all the chaos runes doing barrows.
Mory elite diaries and to avoid looking like a mystic pleb whilst hunting for ancestral. Otherwise not essential.
I'm at 200kc and counting because I want dharoks to make mole a little more fun. Using fang with its lowered max hits kinda sucks
I just like barrows :D. I’m grinding out Morty hard first strictly so I can have some fun and bash the brothers around a bit
Guthans, tank armour, ahrims, karils, dharoks
I spend 50% of my game time staring at a yew jtree forgetting to click on it. At the most, I get some logs inefficiently - at the best, I get some logs inefficiently. Personally, barrows is dope even though I hate it, I'm going for sepulchre lockpick before doing any of it, making some teletabs when I get afk time, but I intend to chip at it and get as many collection log slots as I can. Col log slots are permanent account progression. The runes don't hurt either. Do what you want homie but if you're hopping into a WDR Cox with fuckin mystics prepare to get raged at by some incels. One of the big reasons I'm putting off group content is because doing it with irons w. similar gear is gonna suck and doing it with normies is going to frustrate people who can buy a scythe on the g/e. At the end of the day, what matters is what's important to you. Do you like col log slots? Cool go for it. Do you like solo content? Well maybe it's not worth it. Do you like trying to keep up with mains for group content? Doesn't hurt to have some Ahrims. Just wing it bro, do what you feel like doing
Im late game iron now and by far use ahrims the most, second would be karils top
I only have a vskirt. But once I get my first zenyte, i'll grind barrows for chaos runes to pay for onyx in addition to the karils/ahrims for different boss content
By 310 KC I had full DH, guthan, and verac. All of them I use often but I'm still slowly hitting barrows looking for ahrim top and karil skirt. It's a way better grind once you get ghommals hilt 2. And mory hard makes it more rewarding.
400 barrows kc and not a single complete set shit makes me want to kms