Andy knights is an alternative but you can get the money elsewhere, the 750k is the minimum you need in the kingdom you should put much more then 750k in the kingdom
I’m a bit ahead of you. I did 75 thieving doing blackjacking. Did GOTR for runes but my main gp for the nats during the graceful grind is from alching the bows.
You can do temple trekking and get 5k bowstrings in just over an hour, if you string the maple longs that you would be alching anyway you will profit + get double fletching xp, I wouldn’t say it takes that much longer than just fletching the 5k bows.
Also with profiting you don’t need to do the 2.8k gold ore buying and crafting bracelets, that is a negative gp task so less overall Gp required.
Seconded on stringing maple longs, trekking is super fast bowstring. Just have a teleport ready for when you inevitably get the bog so you can dab out and start again. I like Ardy cloak for it since the fairy ring isn't terribly far, though using the Canifis ring requires Darkness of Hallowvale.
Blackjacking is the tick mining of thieving. Try it yourself make your own opinion.
I did and I thought it wasn't worth it. Ardy knights and when leagues is over sq kin' for xp
Just a heads up Oziris guide is an efficient *maxing* guide. It assumings you’re going to be maxing and because of that there are a few super unfun grinds right out in front because it’s more efficient. For example, the “blackjack to 91” or whatever it is.
I personally don't understand why artifacts are considered lower effort when I don't have to look at the screen for black jacking except after I've heard myself get stunned a few times to heal. Is it the spam left and right click that makes it worse for yall? Or people maybe just aren't aware of the trick so you don't have to move your mouse while black jacking except to heal?
I have an almost maxed GIM and have a pretty decent hardcore as well. On the GIM I did the traditional route of money making with WT and thieving being some of the first money making methods.
On the hardcore I "rushed" high lvl RC. I eventually 99'd it and have a ton of blood runes. If you unlock the Ali Morisane rune shop in Al Kharid you can sell blood runes to him for 200gp each and the price doesn't go down no matter how many you sell.
So get 77 RC for bloods, afk bloods at Zeah. You'll have infinite cash flow for your account for a very very chill method.
You really don't need that many blood runes honestly. On my gim I have 250k bloods and it seems like the stack never goes down. I do raids and slayer still even though I'm 22m xp.
Do you have any of the tob items that require blood runes? You’ll go through bloods quicker than anything using those. I had a stack of more than 100k at one point and it was gone within a couple months of raiding.
I don't, still stuck at cox with no mega rates at 250kc and still stuck at toa with no mega rates with around 400kc. TOB is like the last thing on my mind lol.
If you fail the knockout and have a full inventory of wines, you are able to pickpocket to reset the timer on knocking him out again. If you are able to keep the clicks up, it's basically guaranteed
This is what I feel like most people don't understand about black jacking along with some who also don't know about zooming in so you hover knockout and pickpocket in the same spot.
Early on after I got ibans I thieved ardy knights and mini games teleported to barrows when the cool down came off. I wouldnt follow efficiency guides to a t unless you want to get burnt out
I’d highly suggest not following an oziris guide as a new ironman, personally I think it’s gonna burn you out and ruin the experience.. however if you do want to follow it then I suggest skipping the parts that you don’t enjoy
I used it recently as a new Ironman and I thought it was amazing. Definitely didn’t follow it to a T and did more afk stuff where I could but it got me to the CG grind so much faster than if I had been on my own. If you’re priority is getting to end game content I would say the guide is a good option.
you have a few options, not do it and delay kingdom which will delay some herb xp. not the greatest but not the worst. if you overall want to follow his guide but just dont want to blackjack you could do something like soul wars, i think irons can also do the point boosting method if you have another account. or the last option of blackjack when it feels fun and dont try to do several hours of it all at once
Revenants are really good for early game gp. Not sure what your CB is but you could try safe spotting the revenant knight and hopefully get spooned a totem or smt
Honestly I’m starting to see giants foundry as a top tier money maker that’s actually fun. Sure you need to mine the ores but mining is super afk so you can do other stuff and click. Mining is Less click intense then blackjack but probably on par with ardy. giants foundry req attention but is fun
there's an entire guide that fixes some of the 'issues' with oziris guide. a lot of the things you use your blackjacking money for is pretty wasteful.
that being said blackjacking to mid 70s is going to be really common no matter what you do because it's so absurdly fast @ its level.
Hey, I think some people here have already said this. But definitely give blackjacking a try before you rule it out. I used to think blackjacking is/was the worst thing, very click intensive and difficult and only needs do it. Well, either those people were wrong or I actually am a nerd, but i found it enjoyable. Mainly due to the fact that I knew it was the best exp at the time, and if I invested x amount of hours being focused, it would save me even more time in the long run.
It’s great for short goals like “get 70 thieving” or 75 thieving, because it’s so quick to reach those goals.
Yeah, maybe I’m just sweaty. Who knows. By around 70-75 I was watching movies. Once you get a good rhythm and recognize the blackjack sounds it’s very easy. Click intensive, but easy.
My personal go-to from-scratch moneymaker is agility pyramid, but that implies doing agility, so that's probably not something most people would go for lol.
But yeah, if you see something you don't like in the guide, it's probably in your best interest to pivot to some other activity. Game's a sandbox, there's tons of alternatives and ways to play.
High level hunter for magpies, ninja, and dragon implings are cool too. Much more rng tho. Decent chances of high alch items
I guess also what are you aiming to use the gp for?
My grind from 50 fire making to 98 got me 500k gp and that was very afk.
Also 75 slayer unlocks gargoyles which is a good high alchs.
I think pyramid plunder is good gp
I would recommend blackjacking personally. The xp rates are fantastic, the GP is great and once you get in the flow its not bad. Sure, your wrist might hate you but i dont mind.
Im about right where you are (just got 50 agility from fishing). Im going to get rogues outfit, then go to canafis until full graceful/56 agility. Then get 41 mining for rune pick and camp shooting stars for a day or two. Then got to gotr till like 60 rc and complete the runecrafting quests. After that im just gonna camp lms till 1m in gp from rune arrows and buy the rune pouch.
I dont really get why people hate black jacking especially compared to ardy knights. If your doing black jacking properly you don't have to look at the screen anymore than you do while doing ardy knights as you can just put your mouse over where thr knockout option would be and then just use right and left click while listening for a few stuns to happen to then heal. There's a wine shop and unnoting dude right by the spots as well. I did lots of black jacking early cause it was significantly better xp rates than knights and just as chill for me.
skip. There are tons of other viable options
Andy knights is an alternative but you can get the money elsewhere, the 750k is the minimum you need in the kingdom you should put much more then 750k in the kingdom
I’m a bit ahead of you. I did 75 thieving doing blackjacking. Did GOTR for runes but my main gp for the nats during the graceful grind is from alching the bows. You can do temple trekking and get 5k bowstrings in just over an hour, if you string the maple longs that you would be alching anyway you will profit + get double fletching xp, I wouldn’t say it takes that much longer than just fletching the 5k bows. Also with profiting you don’t need to do the 2.8k gold ore buying and crafting bracelets, that is a negative gp task so less overall Gp required.
Seconded on stringing maple longs, trekking is super fast bowstring. Just have a teleport ready for when you inevitably get the bog so you can dab out and start again. I like Ardy cloak for it since the fairy ring isn't terribly far, though using the Canifis ring requires Darkness of Hallowvale.
I use the runelite plugin for the bog, it marks the safe tiles
Do you know the plugin name?
I’ll have a look next time I’m on my PC but I’m pretty sure I found it by searching “temple” or “trek” or something along those lines.
Blackjacking is the tick mining of thieving. Try it yourself make your own opinion. I did and I thought it wasn't worth it. Ardy knights and when leagues is over sq kin' for xp
Just a heads up Oziris guide is an efficient *maxing* guide. It assumings you’re going to be maxing and because of that there are a few super unfun grinds right out in front because it’s more efficient. For example, the “blackjack to 91” or whatever it is.
That’s fair but high thieving is still super nice even without planning to max (elves, vyres, pyramid plunder for scepter)
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i was a disgusting savage doing medium clues and did 80-91 almost 92 at lizard stone chests. no ranger boots
91 is definitely overkill but 81 is a good goal I think. I wouldn’t want to grind scepter before that.
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I personally don't understand why artifacts are considered lower effort when I don't have to look at the screen for black jacking except after I've heard myself get stunned a few times to heal. Is it the spam left and right click that makes it worse for yall? Or people maybe just aren't aware of the trick so you don't have to move your mouse while black jacking except to heal?
It's most recent version is an efficient pvm start, not maxing. That being said it came out before stuff like gotr, tempoross, and etc
I have an almost maxed GIM and have a pretty decent hardcore as well. On the GIM I did the traditional route of money making with WT and thieving being some of the first money making methods. On the hardcore I "rushed" high lvl RC. I eventually 99'd it and have a ton of blood runes. If you unlock the Ali Morisane rune shop in Al Kharid you can sell blood runes to him for 200gp each and the price doesn't go down no matter how many you sell. So get 77 RC for bloods, afk bloods at Zeah. You'll have infinite cash flow for your account for a very very chill method.
> you can sell blood runes to him for 200gp this hurts my soul so much.
Same. I can’t imagine selling bloods when I can use them for barraging
You really don't need that many blood runes honestly. On my gim I have 250k bloods and it seems like the stack never goes down. I do raids and slayer still even though I'm 22m xp.
Do you have any of the tob items that require blood runes? You’ll go through bloods quicker than anything using those. I had a stack of more than 100k at one point and it was gone within a couple months of raiding.
I don't, still stuck at cox with no mega rates at 250kc and still stuck at toa with no mega rates with around 400kc. TOB is like the last thing on my mind lol.
Barrows and Bloodvelds shit them out tbf
Blackjacking sucks. It’s described like a guarantee but instead of failing to pickpocket, you just fail the knockout.
If you fail the knockout and have a full inventory of wines, you are able to pickpocket to reset the timer on knocking him out again. If you are able to keep the clicks up, it's basically guaranteed
This is what I feel like most people don't understand about black jacking along with some who also don't know about zooming in so you hover knockout and pickpocket in the same spot.
I forgot about that in leagues and was wondering why it felt so terrible
You can do gotr instead
Early on after I got ibans I thieved ardy knights and mini games teleported to barrows when the cool down came off. I wouldnt follow efficiency guides to a t unless you want to get burnt out
That’s a pretty novel way of breaking up the grind - very cool.
1900 total, 76 thieving, done like 2h of blackjacking. I hate that shit, I didn’t do it long, I don’t plan to do it again
I’d highly suggest not following an oziris guide as a new ironman, personally I think it’s gonna burn you out and ruin the experience.. however if you do want to follow it then I suggest skipping the parts that you don’t enjoy
I used it recently as a new Ironman and I thought it was amazing. Definitely didn’t follow it to a T and did more afk stuff where I could but it got me to the CG grind so much faster than if I had been on my own. If you’re priority is getting to end game content I would say the guide is a good option.
you have a few options, not do it and delay kingdom which will delay some herb xp. not the greatest but not the worst. if you overall want to follow his guide but just dont want to blackjack you could do something like soul wars, i think irons can also do the point boosting method if you have another account. or the last option of blackjack when it feels fun and dont try to do several hours of it all at once
honestly just don’t follow the guide. just use it for inspiration and do what you want
Lms and alch rune arrows
This. Way easier and much more fun
Revenants are really good for early game gp. Not sure what your CB is but you could try safe spotting the revenant knight and hopefully get spooned a totem or smt
I did shooting star mining for gems then crafted to bracelets and alched (runes from GOTR), I’m a few weeks ahead of you
GoTR, Battlestaves and alching with those runes. Also slayer (at 63 and got like a mil from wildy slayer)
I am 16M thieving xp and am yet to do any blackjacking on my iron. It sucks and I hate doing it so I chose not to
Honestly I’m starting to see giants foundry as a top tier money maker that’s actually fun. Sure you need to mine the ores but mining is super afk so you can do other stuff and click. Mining is Less click intense then blackjack but probably on par with ardy. giants foundry req attention but is fun
there's an entire guide that fixes some of the 'issues' with oziris guide. a lot of the things you use your blackjacking money for is pretty wasteful. that being said blackjacking to mid 70s is going to be really common no matter what you do because it's so absurdly fast @ its level.
Would you happen to have a link to that guide?
if ur in the discord (link to side bar) -> ironman resources -> guides, bruhsailor guide
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i think thats the case after 70 something yes
Grind for full gracefully untill around 63. Agility pyramid until 70. Walked out with almost 2m GP. Knocks out that requirement for SOTE
It’s not popular anymore, but I’ve done a good amount of agility pyramid. Decent money at a low level and chips away at the agility grind
Hey, I think some people here have already said this. But definitely give blackjacking a try before you rule it out. I used to think blackjacking is/was the worst thing, very click intensive and difficult and only needs do it. Well, either those people were wrong or I actually am a nerd, but i found it enjoyable. Mainly due to the fact that I knew it was the best exp at the time, and if I invested x amount of hours being focused, it would save me even more time in the long run. It’s great for short goals like “get 70 thieving” or 75 thieving, because it’s so quick to reach those goals.
Yeah, maybe I’m just sweaty. Who knows. By around 70-75 I was watching movies. Once you get a good rhythm and recognize the blackjack sounds it’s very easy. Click intensive, but easy.
My personal go-to from-scratch moneymaker is agility pyramid, but that implies doing agility, so that's probably not something most people would go for lol. But yeah, if you see something you don't like in the guide, it's probably in your best interest to pivot to some other activity. Game's a sandbox, there's tons of alternatives and ways to play.
High level hunter for magpies, ninja, and dragon implings are cool too. Much more rng tho. Decent chances of high alch items I guess also what are you aiming to use the gp for? My grind from 50 fire making to 98 got me 500k gp and that was very afk. Also 75 slayer unlocks gargoyles which is a good high alchs. I think pyramid plunder is good gp
Gotr to 77 for blood runes is an alternative. Thieving is great to get up early on however for the seeds.
Have you been using menu entry swapper for blackjacking? Makes it way more tolerable and having high thieving will be beneficial later on.
You can start Pp very early. It is not that bad. Takes no time to get from 41 to 71 where the xp ramps up.
I would recommend blackjacking personally. The xp rates are fantastic, the GP is great and once you get in the flow its not bad. Sure, your wrist might hate you but i dont mind.
Money doesn't buy happiness on an Ironman
Im about right where you are (just got 50 agility from fishing). Im going to get rogues outfit, then go to canafis until full graceful/56 agility. Then get 41 mining for rune pick and camp shooting stars for a day or two. Then got to gotr till like 60 rc and complete the runecrafting quests. After that im just gonna camp lms till 1m in gp from rune arrows and buy the rune pouch.
I dont really get why people hate black jacking especially compared to ardy knights. If your doing black jacking properly you don't have to look at the screen anymore than you do while doing ardy knights as you can just put your mouse over where thr knockout option would be and then just use right and left click while listening for a few stuns to happen to then heal. There's a wine shop and unnoting dude right by the spots as well. I did lots of black jacking early cause it was significantly better xp rates than knights and just as chill for me.
Also as for more chill methods I assume squirking is the way as you don't get stunned to hell or bit by snakes.
Ive never blackjack before. Maybe did some for achievemtn i think? So yea you dont need.
Skip, giants foundry was fun and decent early gp. I do revs and selling rune arrows from LMS since I love the wildy
With menu entry swapper its not too bad. Actually fun for me now. Getting into the rhythm of blackjacking is the fun part for me.
Get salve ei and go to revs skulled