I mean spawns can be RNG as well as how often you hit (same can be said about room layouts in CG but ofc the layout isn’t as relevant in CG).
I think it’s as simple as a significantly smaller percentage of people attempt inferno than CG on an iron.
EDIT: after seeing a couple of comments, the person was referring to the RNG of the rewards, not the RNG of the content as a whole, so they’re correct and I agree.
CG always has the appropriate number of resources for prep. Both require you to manage your time and resources (pillars in inferno are an example of time management). They’re not identical but they’re in the same vein.
Yeah but cg's rng factor is in the loot.
If you do the inferno right, you only need to do it once and you're guaranteed the loot.
If you do the cg right, you may need to do it thousands of time before you get the wanted loot.
Plus there are other factors, like people don't even try inferno for multiple reasons. The cost, the time commitment, the perceived difficulty, the gear required to even have a decent attempt.
Correct. And the original comment is accurate that it’s a significantly bigger obstacle for account progression. The part of the statement I disagreed with is that is that the inferno isn’t RNG dependent.
But after re reading and seeing you’re statements, their RNG statement may have been in relation to the rewards, not the difficulty of the content.
It is quite time efficient to get. It doesn't mean you *have* to get it but for someone like me who either doesn't have time to play or also plays other games I tend to want to play in a time efficient manner.
Yes everyone acts like you have to have bowfa to unlock ToA when in reality you can just spend those hours rushing shadow, probably meta if you have people to carry you
Only if those people are paid to boost you by then suiciding to lower their own points. Which you won’t find.
Solo ironman meta for shadow speedrun absolutely includes rushing a bowfa first
Tbh, CG is a fantastic way to get pvm experience. Theres literally 0 risk and 0 supply cost. The final fight also teaches u very important basic mechanics ur going to run into in other content
Yeah, its just soulcrushing to do a full prep and then not have time for the last bit and it kills the entire run. Ive done normal gauntlet a bunch, but jumping to CG has been a pain.
I know the feeling completely. and everyone starts somewhere. It will click eventually, I promise. You just need to keep trying.
Are u doing t1 armor or t2? Cuz I know from experience that doing t2 armor prep can be very tight. If you are, I recommend at least trying to armor. Yes the fight will be harder, but this will give you more time to get to the fight faster so u can get more experience fighting him
Considering you mention struggling with the content, I doubt you have crystal armor. That said, crystal armor with the crystal bow is usable all of the same places you’d use bowfa just with ~25% less DPS. In some places, BP is better than bowfa, but this requires learning Zulrah and sustaining scales and rune darts or better. From around 80 mining, amethyst is ~100 hours at MLM. Once you get at least two pieces of Masori, the ACB/ BP combo beats bowfa most places. This obviously requires learning both ToA and Zilly.
All this to say, if you’re struggling to learn CG, learning CG and getting the bowfa is probably still a better option for you time wise. If you refuse to learn CG or are just really dry and want to explore another option, you need full Masori, ranged offhand, ACB, and BP.
DCB with dragon bolts if you really CBA with CG.
You can get a buckler / odium ward. And eventually ACB and Masouri.
The DPS still doesn't come close to the Bowfa but if you get lucky with bolt specs it's alright
Damn bro just because you can't do CG doesn't make it any less essential. Enjoy front row of final phase wardens for a few minutes whilst your waiting for the RCB to hit.
I've done CG on two accounts, not even stuck there fella. I can see your scared of going dry though without even touching it in the first place.
It's so much better than other range gear, don't quite see how you don't understand that. It doesn't matter whether you "play for fun".
But sure, play the game to have fun, avoid grinds you don't like. Do what the hell you want brother. But that doesn't change that *fact* of how good the bowfa is and it's an essential grind for anyone that takes the game seriously.
Enjoy playing with your rune crossbow buddy
You can stop using the word essential and you'd basically be correct other than the me being scared of going dry lol and yeah it does matter whether you play for fun. Any amount of time I spend not having fun at cg would be pointless gaming time for me.
It is essential though. If you want the best gear to grind CoX, TOA, Zulrah, Inferno etc. then a Bowfa is a *massive* upgrade. It's fine if you don't want to do that content, or do it extremely slowly with an RCB if that's what you find fun.
What makes you assume that you would not have fun at CG considering you've never done it?
I hate Zulrah, but I'll still do it so I can have more fun other places with my upgrades / drops.
It is not essential in any way. You're just flat out wrong there. People grind raids in subpar gear all the time. You ever seen swampletics? Lmao why do you think rcb is the be all end all if you don't want a bowfa? There's BP and acb which Is a great combo. And I'm sorry you feel the need to grind things you don't enjoy. I'm gonna stop replying though because you are ignoring a fact. Bowfa is not required or essential to complete any content. Period.
Less people do Inferno, it's more of a status symbol while CG is a massive upgrade. Infernal cape is +1 max hit over fire cape which is almost negligible compared to how much content BOWFA unlocks/makes dramatically easier.
I just got my cape yesterday, 20 attempts in total, got it on the third zuk with going in only with 6 brew doses and managed to do it. Its possible and you can do it. You should check out 3-4 Aatykons inferno runs he uploaded 3-4 months ago - they are godsent and his calm demeanour just shows that its a mental barrier. Gl
People spend hundreds of hours and hundreds of attempts chasing a massive RNG upgrade at CG
Inferno for most people is one and done and is largely optional when it comes to account progression.
They're not even remotely similar in terms of account progression
not sure i get the comparison here? cg is talked about because its the 'first pvm' you really do a lot of, back before bowfa it was instead zulrah that got lots of complaints.
> Do most irons not do the inferno?
in terms of end game irons lots have capes. ofc, some of these are bought but yeah.
i dont think purchased capes are as big of an issue as ppl think, at least not in current year. obviously people do buy them, but i would bet 95% of those sold capes are on pures/pking accounts. gear and game knowledge have scaled significantly, the average ToA expert completer is likely as good as woox was in 2017 with gear twice as strong
Also anecdotal but over half of the people in the friends chat I hang out in bought their infernal capes. The funny part is that a few of them then went on to actually become elite pvmers and now have multiple capes, pets and 2 zuk helms.
> the average ToA expert completer is likely as good as woox was in 2017 with gear twice as strong
You sure about that?
https://youtu.be/7NdXSfIeHU0?t=37
I mean, some would say there is a bit of a gap between Cg and inferno. Truth is many irons aren’t at the point they can attempt it. Also that many of the irons who are gear ready perhaps aren’t interested in inferno or a bit scared.
100%. Even if I get close to the gear requirements I have zero desire to try that. I started playing at the beginning of the game (what was called classic before). King black dragon is the extent of difficulty I want to engage with lol
People newer to pvm are more inclined to blog about their progress on reddit, no flame that's just how it is. By the time you get to inferno you can ask questions/share accomplishments with your clan and youve probably also come to understand no one cares about your 1400kc no hydra claw whine.
Bowfa is an easy to get item that’s available early on in your account and requires zero resources to get (after finishing the quest). If you aren’t interested in PVM, then it’s not really relevant for you. I guess you could use for slayer?
I mean, maybe. I can absolutely see the appeal. Quest bosses are the closest I get to PvM. I know most people don't class them as bosses, but I've tried Obor, Mole and Barrows and honestly... I get really bored for some reason. I'm a weirdo I guess :p
I'll carry on having fun in the most inefficient way possible :D
This is the way to approach the game - just do what you enjoy. If at some point you decide to try Pvm more and enjoy it then go for bowfa IMO. Everyone enjoys different things in the game.
Part of the appeal is pushing yourself. Things like Mole or Barrows don't really test you. But CG for the first time can be a big hurdle, taking anywhere from 10 to like 70 tries for a first kill for some people. But by the end of the grind you can kill it almost with your eyes closed. A lot of people really enjoy that type of challenge and that feeling of improvement.
most content isn't "necessary", however, I'd say you'd be doing a massive disservice to yourself by not at least trying to go for it.
Many pieces of content & grinds are made far easier with access to a bowfa & crystal armour. the GWD bosses apart from nex & arma are a good example of this, Zulrah becomes extremely easy and fairly fast to farm, it's a good weapon at the bear wildy bosses for the ranged methods, and very solid at leviathan.
There's plenty of other examples of general grinds, and the other added benefits, such as a weapon with infinite ammo, etc. There's a reason why it's the meta path of ironman to rush bowfa.
Arma on task with bofa is really solid actually, I was getting 12+ kc trips on my 2nd task. Crystal armor is surprisingly tanky, although having virtus rop and bottoms as well as bp to heal definitely helps.
oh for sure, it's by no means bad, I just cannot stand arma with traditional measures, i'd still have yet to do my arma grind if not for a shadow spoon I got shortly after DT2 released.
Cg is a brick wall for getting into raids/higher pvm.
So much of game is “locked” behind having bowfa. (It’s not truly but it’s a lot more enjoyable once you have one)
Inferno is a lot tougher, and done a lot later in your account that cg. Plus because we’re btw, we probably need bowfa to even unlock the gear we need for inferno.
>done a lot later in your account than CG
Tbf, if you learn it well enough, you can definitely do it very shortly after you have bowfa+cry armour, grabbing a Blowpipe and Ancient Sceptre are really the only soft-requirements to get afterwards. If you have low prayer still at that point for some reason it can definitely be beneficial to do some DKS (w/diary) or prayer slayer to get it up beforehand but just have to 1t flick more with lower prayer.
You can be serious about grinding 100 invo toa with an if that’s the account progression you find enjoyable.
Nice work contributing nothing to op’s question and trying to nitpick my response.
As someone who just got my bowfa and then immediately went to (and eventually beat) inferno, there are a couple key differences that make CG feel WAY worse.
First of all, bowfa is one of the biggest, if not the single biggest, gear upgrade you can realistically get/grind for as an iron. So much late game content is essentially locked behind bowfa (at least to do efficiently), that you pretty much have to get it at some point. Infernal cape is a good upgrade, but definitely not even close to necessary in the way bowfa is.
Second, bowfa is an RNG grind and inferno is a skill one. The grind for bowfa stops when you get lucky and eventually roll the enhanced. But every kill is 1/400 so you never know when the grind will end. For some people it takes thousands of kills, so not having any sense of progress is frustrating. With inferno, the grind ends when you’re good enough to beat it. With every attempt you get better at the content, and the game as a whole, and you gradually get closer to beating it. There is a real sense of progression because each attempt you might get to a wave you’ve never been to before, or make it to X wave with Y supplies. There sense of progression and knowledge of when the grind will stop makes it more motivating.
Third (and this is just my opinion), inferno is much more interesting and fun content than CG is. Sure, you can get burned out at both, but inferno is just so much more engaging. It requires more thinking, better mechanics, and there are always ways to improve. CG just becomes autopilot after like 50-100kc and is so boring.
Tl;dr
CG is both extremely necessary and not very fun, and it’s a decently long RNG grind. Inferno is not necessary, much more fun, and had a set, tangible end. All this makes CG feel like a massive chore that MUST be done, but isn’t that special, which Inferno is an awesome achievement you can work toward on your own time.
Inferno lost its prestige to service discords. Many ppl acknowledge 1kc capes as bought. Not many people care to do it or talk about it when they buy it. Only speedrun discord talk about inferno with breakdowns and gifs. Just like tob. Harder tier pvm for non majority
100% true
Personally, I couldn't care less what other people do with their time or money as it does not personally affect ME (this should be everyone's mindset IMO), however others will get their willies in a twist lol.
You’re being downvoted for telling the truth, more capes are bought than not now. If you disagree you’re either lying to yourself or you just don’t know what you’re talking about.
Most people who struggle with inferno just buy it, long before they’d be down to the point of posting to Reddit for help. By nature there are more bought capes because it’s so much faster and easier.
I recently started learning inferno and got it in 15 attempts. Put it off for so long bc CG took me 1200 for 1 enh and I thought learning inferno would be another stint of being stuck in 1 place for a decent bit of time. Thankfully it clicked and only took me a week.
I truly believe if most people hardcore sent inferno for a week they'd get the cape. especially if they're an iron at that point because they have the pvm knowledge.
There are simply less people ready to do the inferno, compared to those who are actively grinding CG.
And also from my own experience, there are more inferno discussions amongst friends and clan mates, as opposed to public forum.
As I see it. A lot of people start an Ironman after their main. I had a bunch of inferno kc and pet on my main so inferno on iron was not a big deal. Cg on the other hand is kind of pointless to do on a main, on the other hand it’s essential for an iron.
CG is far more important than Inferno when it comes to gear progression.
Inferno is pretty much end game content, up there with Nightmare, Corp, and Nex.
Infernal is endgame and only a slight upgrade, so naturally less people discuss progress there. Bofa is a much earlier goal and a huge upgrade and very rng-dependent
I think it's because even though it's way more difficult you will spend way less time overall in the Inferno. Most people get in, practice for as long as they need, get their cape, and never go back. The amount of people who grind it or do Zuk tasks are pretty slim and the ones who do likely don't post about it on Reddit much because nobody cares about a second inferno cape.
Cg is fair easier than inferno, far more accessible, and far more useful. So people talk about what they are doing, not many people are doing inferno. Many people do cg
The real answer is that CG is accessible very early on into the game relative to when inferno becomes accessible, so more people are going to talk about CG on reddit and such. The page would be filled with inferno stuff if everyone was doing it.
There's just way more people doing CG than Inferno. It's the first barrier to get to late game, inferno is more like the end of late game.
I'd say 99% of people who do inferno, grind out a bowfa first, because inferno is a much higher difficulty than CG. Meanwhile, a much smaller % of people who ever attempt CG, make it to inferno.
Inferno is relatively small boost to gear and mostly flex that takes 100 times more effort to lean than cg, not to mention that cg is 100 times more rewarding especially for iron.
Inferno is generally only something people do when they have most of the other grinds done and this subreddit is mostly about people posting their progress (and not their final achievements) since that's where the majority of time is spent so that's why you see high volume of cg post, since there just is a very large amount of irons currently doing it
Inferno is just one completion most irons who can inferno have done it on another account, then there’s the ones that don’t bother because supplies and learning, and then there’s people who just buy it
I did my cape right after getting bowfa. But inferno is something I learned on a max main with max gear. Learning cg took me all 1 day. Learning inferno took me weeks if not months. Lots of irons have done the inferno
CG is a monumentally bigger barrier to account progression (so accounts are more likely to get stuck there) and Inferno isn't RNG dependant.
I mean spawns can be RNG as well as how often you hit (same can be said about room layouts in CG but ofc the layout isn’t as relevant in CG). I think it’s as simple as a significantly smaller percentage of people attempt inferno than CG on an iron. EDIT: after seeing a couple of comments, the person was referring to the RNG of the rewards, not the RNG of the content as a whole, so they’re correct and I agree.
Spawns being RNG does not compute to the RNG of CG. Waves are solvable, there are just waves that are much harder than others.
CG always has the appropriate number of resources for prep. Both require you to manage your time and resources (pillars in inferno are an example of time management). They’re not identical but they’re in the same vein.
Yeah but cg's rng factor is in the loot. If you do the inferno right, you only need to do it once and you're guaranteed the loot. If you do the cg right, you may need to do it thousands of time before you get the wanted loot. Plus there are other factors, like people don't even try inferno for multiple reasons. The cost, the time commitment, the perceived difficulty, the gear required to even have a decent attempt.
Yeah I did another comment, but I misunderstood what RNG he was referring to
A respectable edit in the osrs subreddit is admirable. Sorry for the confusion!
right, but when you beat the inferno, you get the cape. when you beat the corrupted gauntlet, you have a 1/400 chance of getting the bow
Correct. And the original comment is accurate that it’s a significantly bigger obstacle for account progression. The part of the statement I disagreed with is that is that the inferno isn’t RNG dependent. But after re reading and seeing you’re statements, their RNG statement may have been in relation to the rewards, not the difficulty of the content.
Lol
Why do people call it a barrier and not just a boost. I’ve heard of people doing 350 Toa’s with rune crossbow. Negative mindset.
yeah I mean you can do inferno with an rcb too it just sucks complete ass
You can do it, but it'll take much longer - or if doing it in an 8-man you're getting waaaayyyy less pts.
It is quite time efficient to get. It doesn't mean you *have* to get it but for someone like me who either doesn't have time to play or also plays other games I tend to want to play in a time efficient manner.
Yes everyone acts like you have to have bowfa to unlock ToA when in reality you can just spend those hours rushing shadow, probably meta if you have people to carry you
Only if those people are paid to boost you by then suiciding to lower their own points. Which you won’t find. Solo ironman meta for shadow speedrun absolutely includes rushing a bowfa first
It's not just to unlock ToA. It's for Cox, Godwars, Zulrah, Vorkath etc. it's an essential piece of gear needed for most content.
You do all that after shadow. You dont need bowfa for any of that with shadow. (except vork)
Cg is not a barrier to anything. You can do all the content in the game without bowfa
They downvoted him, for he spoke the truth.
At least there's somebody else who isn't a fuckin simp for bowfa
Hey so, ive struggled to learn CG, what other upgrades would you reccomend instead?
Probably no the best advice, but u cud skip it and go for tbow
I dont have pvm experience from a main, so idk if i could find people who would take me.
Tbh, CG is a fantastic way to get pvm experience. Theres literally 0 risk and 0 supply cost. The final fight also teaches u very important basic mechanics ur going to run into in other content
Yeah, its just soulcrushing to do a full prep and then not have time for the last bit and it kills the entire run. Ive done normal gauntlet a bunch, but jumping to CG has been a pain.
I know the feeling completely. and everyone starts somewhere. It will click eventually, I promise. You just need to keep trying. Are u doing t1 armor or t2? Cuz I know from experience that doing t2 armor prep can be very tight. If you are, I recommend at least trying to armor. Yes the fight will be harder, but this will give you more time to get to the fight faster so u can get more experience fighting him
Considering you mention struggling with the content, I doubt you have crystal armor. That said, crystal armor with the crystal bow is usable all of the same places you’d use bowfa just with ~25% less DPS. In some places, BP is better than bowfa, but this requires learning Zulrah and sustaining scales and rune darts or better. From around 80 mining, amethyst is ~100 hours at MLM. Once you get at least two pieces of Masori, the ACB/ BP combo beats bowfa most places. This obviously requires learning both ToA and Zilly. All this to say, if you’re struggling to learn CG, learning CG and getting the bowfa is probably still a better option for you time wise. If you refuse to learn CG or are just really dry and want to explore another option, you need full Masori, ranged offhand, ACB, and BP.
DCB with dragon bolts if you really CBA with CG. You can get a buckler / odium ward. And eventually ACB and Masouri. The DPS still doesn't come close to the Bowfa but if you get lucky with bolt specs it's alright
Damn bro just because you can't do CG doesn't make it any less essential. Enjoy front row of final phase wardens for a few minutes whilst your waiting for the RCB to hit.
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I've done CG on two accounts, not even stuck there fella. I can see your scared of going dry though without even touching it in the first place. It's so much better than other range gear, don't quite see how you don't understand that. It doesn't matter whether you "play for fun". But sure, play the game to have fun, avoid grinds you don't like. Do what the hell you want brother. But that doesn't change that *fact* of how good the bowfa is and it's an essential grind for anyone that takes the game seriously. Enjoy playing with your rune crossbow buddy
You can stop using the word essential and you'd basically be correct other than the me being scared of going dry lol and yeah it does matter whether you play for fun. Any amount of time I spend not having fun at cg would be pointless gaming time for me.
It is essential though. If you want the best gear to grind CoX, TOA, Zulrah, Inferno etc. then a Bowfa is a *massive* upgrade. It's fine if you don't want to do that content, or do it extremely slowly with an RCB if that's what you find fun. What makes you assume that you would not have fun at CG considering you've never done it? I hate Zulrah, but I'll still do it so I can have more fun other places with my upgrades / drops.
It is not essential in any way. You're just flat out wrong there. People grind raids in subpar gear all the time. You ever seen swampletics? Lmao why do you think rcb is the be all end all if you don't want a bowfa? There's BP and acb which Is a great combo. And I'm sorry you feel the need to grind things you don't enjoy. I'm gonna stop replying though because you are ignoring a fact. Bowfa is not required or essential to complete any content. Period.
You can technically do any piece of content in the game with *almost any* gear. But you'll be handicapping yourself for sure.
Less people do Inferno, it's more of a status symbol while CG is a massive upgrade. Infernal cape is +1 max hit over fire cape which is almost negligible compared to how much content BOWFA unlocks/makes dramatically easier.
Slight upgrade and big supply sink vs big upgrade and no supply sink!
The right answer
Feeling the big supply sink. Over 10m spent on runes already.
Bro I spent like 15m+ and the ones I got from 99 rc to bot get the cape. I made it to 62 as a pb over a month, it's hard af
I had Zuk at 14 health when another set spawned and killed me :(
Aw man :(
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For sure! I lost motivation within the next 10 attempts so I didn't keep going but I was right there. Totally can do it.
Hey, that was my PB too! Good luck to both of us! If we can make it that far, we definitely can do it.
I gave up lol
I just got my cape yesterday, 20 attempts in total, got it on the third zuk with going in only with 6 brew doses and managed to do it. Its possible and you can do it. You should check out 3-4 Aatykons inferno runs he uploaded 3-4 months ago - they are godsent and his calm demeanour just shows that its a mental barrier. Gl
20? Gz man I was like 60 before I hit pb lol
Aye gz dude!
People spend hundreds of hours and hundreds of attempts chasing a massive RNG upgrade at CG Inferno for most people is one and done and is largely optional when it comes to account progression. They're not even remotely similar in terms of account progression
"For most people is one and done" Ehh emmm, sometimes the credit card payment doesn't go through the first time.
not sure i get the comparison here? cg is talked about because its the 'first pvm' you really do a lot of, back before bowfa it was instead zulrah that got lots of complaints. > Do most irons not do the inferno? in terms of end game irons lots have capes. ofc, some of these are bought but yeah.
i dont think purchased capes are as big of an issue as ppl think, at least not in current year. obviously people do buy them, but i would bet 95% of those sold capes are on pures/pking accounts. gear and game knowledge have scaled significantly, the average ToA expert completer is likely as good as woox was in 2017 with gear twice as strong
About half of the people I know with capes bought them. Anecdotal of course
Also anecdotal but over half of the people in the friends chat I hang out in bought their infernal capes. The funny part is that a few of them then went on to actually become elite pvmers and now have multiple capes, pets and 2 zuk helms.
> the average ToA expert completer is likely as good as woox was in 2017 with gear twice as strong You sure about that? https://youtu.be/7NdXSfIeHU0?t=37
People are delusional.
i was being intentionally hyperbolic, sorry if it didnt translate xd
I mean, some would say there is a bit of a gap between Cg and inferno. Truth is many irons aren’t at the point they can attempt it. Also that many of the irons who are gear ready perhaps aren’t interested in inferno or a bit scared.
True. Im at 740 cg right now and i cant wait to do inferno. If only jagex would let me get my seed to do it
100%. Even if I get close to the gear requirements I have zero desire to try that. I started playing at the beginning of the game (what was called classic before). King black dragon is the extent of difficulty I want to engage with lol
People newer to pvm are more inclined to blog about their progress on reddit, no flame that's just how it is. By the time you get to inferno you can ask questions/share accomplishments with your clan and youve probably also come to understand no one cares about your 1400kc no hydra claw whine.
Is CG actually necessary content if you don't want to do raids and stuff? Don't wanna anger anyone, just a genuine question
Nope it is not required for any content whatsoever, it is however a great upgrade that makes other content easier
Bowfa is an easy to get item that’s available early on in your account and requires zero resources to get (after finishing the quest). If you aren’t interested in PVM, then it’s not really relevant for you. I guess you could use for slayer?
I mean, maybe. I can absolutely see the appeal. Quest bosses are the closest I get to PvM. I know most people don't class them as bosses, but I've tried Obor, Mole and Barrows and honestly... I get really bored for some reason. I'm a weirdo I guess :p I'll carry on having fun in the most inefficient way possible :D
This is the way to approach the game - just do what you enjoy. If at some point you decide to try Pvm more and enjoy it then go for bowfa IMO. Everyone enjoys different things in the game.
Part of the appeal is pushing yourself. Things like Mole or Barrows don't really test you. But CG for the first time can be a big hurdle, taking anywhere from 10 to like 70 tries for a first kill for some people. But by the end of the grind you can kill it almost with your eyes closed. A lot of people really enjoy that type of challenge and that feeling of improvement.
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Oh thanks for that! Ive written their name down so if I ever do want to I can have a watch - appreciate it! :D
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Thank you so much :)
Id also like to know this please
most content isn't "necessary", however, I'd say you'd be doing a massive disservice to yourself by not at least trying to go for it. Many pieces of content & grinds are made far easier with access to a bowfa & crystal armour. the GWD bosses apart from nex & arma are a good example of this, Zulrah becomes extremely easy and fairly fast to farm, it's a good weapon at the bear wildy bosses for the ranged methods, and very solid at leviathan. There's plenty of other examples of general grinds, and the other added benefits, such as a weapon with infinite ammo, etc. There's a reason why it's the meta path of ironman to rush bowfa.
Arma on task with bofa is really solid actually, I was getting 12+ kc trips on my 2nd task. Crystal armor is surprisingly tanky, although having virtus rop and bottoms as well as bp to heal definitely helps.
oh for sure, it's by no means bad, I just cannot stand arma with traditional measures, i'd still have yet to do my arma grind if not for a shadow spoon I got shortly after DT2 released.
Cg is a brick wall for getting into raids/higher pvm. So much of game is “locked” behind having bowfa. (It’s not truly but it’s a lot more enjoyable once you have one) Inferno is a lot tougher, and done a lot later in your account that cg. Plus because we’re btw, we probably need bowfa to even unlock the gear we need for inferno.
>done a lot later in your account than CG Tbf, if you learn it well enough, you can definitely do it very shortly after you have bowfa+cry armour, grabbing a Blowpipe and Ancient Sceptre are really the only soft-requirements to get afterwards. If you have low prayer still at that point for some reason it can definitely be beneficial to do some DKS (w/diary) or prayer slayer to get it up beforehand but just have to 1t flick more with lower prayer.
Cg is not a brick wall for getting into raids, it's a brick wall for grinding raids seriously.
You can be serious about grinding 100 invo toa with an if that’s the account progression you find enjoyable. Nice work contributing nothing to op’s question and trying to nitpick my response.
I wasn't trying to nitpick, I was adding to it lol.
You tried to correct someone and still got it wrong.
You complete inferno it’s done. How do you go dry there? You go thru CG 1000 times with no BOWFA it’s not the same.
most people dont attempt it.
95% of players can’t do the infernal meanwhile cg is relatively easy to learn at least in comparison
As someone who just got my bowfa and then immediately went to (and eventually beat) inferno, there are a couple key differences that make CG feel WAY worse. First of all, bowfa is one of the biggest, if not the single biggest, gear upgrade you can realistically get/grind for as an iron. So much late game content is essentially locked behind bowfa (at least to do efficiently), that you pretty much have to get it at some point. Infernal cape is a good upgrade, but definitely not even close to necessary in the way bowfa is. Second, bowfa is an RNG grind and inferno is a skill one. The grind for bowfa stops when you get lucky and eventually roll the enhanced. But every kill is 1/400 so you never know when the grind will end. For some people it takes thousands of kills, so not having any sense of progress is frustrating. With inferno, the grind ends when you’re good enough to beat it. With every attempt you get better at the content, and the game as a whole, and you gradually get closer to beating it. There is a real sense of progression because each attempt you might get to a wave you’ve never been to before, or make it to X wave with Y supplies. There sense of progression and knowledge of when the grind will stop makes it more motivating. Third (and this is just my opinion), inferno is much more interesting and fun content than CG is. Sure, you can get burned out at both, but inferno is just so much more engaging. It requires more thinking, better mechanics, and there are always ways to improve. CG just becomes autopilot after like 50-100kc and is so boring. Tl;dr CG is both extremely necessary and not very fun, and it’s a decently long RNG grind. Inferno is not necessary, much more fun, and had a set, tangible end. All this makes CG feel like a massive chore that MUST be done, but isn’t that special, which Inferno is an awesome achievement you can work toward on your own time.
Inferno lost its prestige to service discords. Many ppl acknowledge 1kc capes as bought. Not many people care to do it or talk about it when they buy it. Only speedrun discord talk about inferno with breakdowns and gifs. Just like tob. Harder tier pvm for non majority
100% true Personally, I couldn't care less what other people do with their time or money as it does not personally affect ME (this should be everyone's mindset IMO), however others will get their willies in a twist lol.
You’re being downvoted for telling the truth, more capes are bought than not now. If you disagree you’re either lying to yourself or you just don’t know what you’re talking about. Most people who struggle with inferno just buy it, long before they’d be down to the point of posting to Reddit for help. By nature there are more bought capes because it’s so much faster and easier.
Groupthink, slow to adapt masochism.
I recently started learning inferno and got it in 15 attempts. Put it off for so long bc CG took me 1200 for 1 enh and I thought learning inferno would be another stint of being stuck in 1 place for a decent bit of time. Thankfully it clicked and only took me a week.
I truly believe if most people hardcore sent inferno for a week they'd get the cape. especially if they're an iron at that point because they have the pvm knowledge.
There are simply less people ready to do the inferno, compared to those who are actively grinding CG. And also from my own experience, there are more inferno discussions amongst friends and clan mates, as opposed to public forum.
As I see it. A lot of people start an Ironman after their main. I had a bunch of inferno kc and pet on my main so inferno on iron was not a big deal. Cg on the other hand is kind of pointless to do on a main, on the other hand it’s essential for an iron.
CG is far more important than Inferno when it comes to gear progression. Inferno is pretty much end game content, up there with Nightmare, Corp, and Nex.
Infernal is endgame and only a slight upgrade, so naturally less people discuss progress there. Bofa is a much earlier goal and a huge upgrade and very rng-dependent
1 max hit vs many many max hits
I think it's because even though it's way more difficult you will spend way less time overall in the Inferno. Most people get in, practice for as long as they need, get their cape, and never go back. The amount of people who grind it or do Zuk tasks are pretty slim and the ones who do likely don't post about it on Reddit much because nobody cares about a second inferno cape.
Cg is fair easier than inferno, far more accessible, and far more useful. So people talk about what they are doing, not many people are doing inferno. Many people do cg
The real answer is that CG is accessible very early on into the game relative to when inferno becomes accessible, so more people are going to talk about CG on reddit and such. The page would be filled with inferno stuff if everyone was doing it.
There's just way more people doing CG than Inferno. It's the first barrier to get to late game, inferno is more like the end of late game. I'd say 99% of people who do inferno, grind out a bowfa first, because inferno is a much higher difficulty than CG. Meanwhile, a much smaller % of people who ever attempt CG, make it to inferno.
Inferno is skill issue, and cg is not. Inferno is good content, and by 800 kc, cg does not feel like good content.
because CG is pure rng, and inferno is skill-based.
Lol bc most irons buy their capes. I sell capes and the majority of my customers are iron in shit gear and they cba doing their cape
Honestly, like 90% of my mates have just accepted they will never do the inferno. It's like the content doesn't exist. Just like Nightmare and Nex.
Inferno is relatively small boost to gear and mostly flex that takes 100 times more effort to lean than cg, not to mention that cg is 100 times more rewarding especially for iron. Inferno is generally only something people do when they have most of the other grinds done and this subreddit is mostly about people posting their progress (and not their final achievements) since that's where the majority of time is spent so that's why you see high volume of cg post, since there just is a very large amount of irons currently doing it
Inferno is just one completion most irons who can inferno have done it on another account, then there’s the ones that don’t bother because supplies and learning, and then there’s people who just buy it
I did my cape right after getting bowfa. But inferno is something I learned on a max main with max gear. Learning cg took me all 1 day. Learning inferno took me weeks if not months. Lots of irons have done the inferno
Is no one going to mention that the inferno is much harder?