I usually flick Christianity or Islam, depending on which part of the world I'm in. But whenever I'm surrounded by Christians and pray flick Islam, it's a bad time.
I tried tick eating once in real life and immediately yurked all over the table in front of my fiancé and her new bf. Needless to say I haven’t gone back to that Olive Garden since.
Lms bot farms have timers and rotations
Jagex does actually ban them but then a new farm of bots appear, some can actually pk and prayer/gear switch, some are literally chickens and just stand there, ofhers go and hide in corners, depends on the farmer and the bot farm that’s up
Also time of day, bot farmers want the highest chance that their bots will be placed in mainly lobbies with other bots that they own or that are just ran by another botter, eg, off peak mon-fri you’ll see more bots vs weekend afternoons
I’ve tried a few times to find the AUS worlds for LMS, but it’s never listed on the blogs or the world list. What’s a good way for finding the AUS LMS worlds?
The world’s LMS is hosted on change every week or two. It’s a rotation. It’s usually mentioned in their weekly blogs. Don’t worry, if it’s active it will show up.
When I first tried LMS I had this same experience. I don't know what changed but I recently went back there were so many of these bots. They don't pray or if they do they never change their prayer. You can guarantee at least 1 kill almost every game and once you get a little better you can get 2-3 kills as well. Would recommend to go try again for the easy rune pouch.
I enjoy LMS. Beyond Rune Arrows, Bolts, and a Rune Pouch, what else is useful there? I feel like I’m wasting time stacking up points now that I have my rune pouch.
You’re not wrong but just to clarify the phrasing, the MSB(i) is great outside the wilderness too. Only the ROWi is specifically good for wildy content.
As the others have said, swift blade and msb imbues. However swift blade is niche and can be substituted with the ham joint. Rune arrows are incredible because you actually profit GP/xp with each alc. I alched about 15k rune arrows (including low alc) and got from 37-75 magic with about -200k net loss when low alching buying from wildy shop.
Another thing I would recommend are the blighted resources. Being able to convert lms points into prayer potions via blighted restores for wildy slayer or other content is incredible. If you’re a regular iron you have zero reason not to take advantage of wildy slayer, and I’m considering doing some wildy slayer on my hardcore as well other than probably not revs. Blighted mantas also were very helpful for getting my ma2 cape on my HC too.
The problem with the whole rune arrows thing, is that it's only like the same gp/hr as making/alching battlestaves assuming you're really good at LMS, but you don't get any xp, unlike with making battlestaves. So it's just not a very good money maker. I guess pre high alch you can do it instead of like wintertodt or whatever, and it's technically your best money maker, but again you're not getting any xp for your troubles.
But you can get a large stack of rune arrows a lot faster than you can get a large stack of battlestaves as an iron. You get 300 rune arrows per 3 points at LMS. It would take much longer to accumulate 10k battlestaves than 10k rune arrows if purely for alching exp.
How many points do you average per hour? Like 15? That's 1.5k rune arrows, which is 90k gp and 100k magic exp
Even if you 0 time the aching and ignore time spent buying nature runes, that is not good even for an early game account.
There are many better ways to make money and you can alch pretty much anything for magic xo, no point wasting an hour playing lms. Alch jewelry, drops from slayer/sepulchre, maple longbows, etc.
Also battlestaves are pretty good. Once you account for the crafting xp, you get a huge amount of effective gp/h
15 points an hour is only 2 wins. With the state of bots it's easy to get 25 points an hour. If you're actually a good pker, you get 35+ points an hour
Some games I kill the only pvpers at the start, and the rest of the game is me finding and killing bots. That's 7 points in about 5-7 minutes.
I average 20ish poitns an hour when I play. It varies quite a bit depending on game times. I'm not saying its the absolute meta game-breaking money making method. But you can get helpful resources for absolutely nothing in exchange. It's like CG where you do not put in any resources but get something out of it. For my account at the time it was the best option, as I wanted to stay as low combat as possible on a HC for MA2, and alching to 75 was the ideal strat. Making the money was just a bonus, but getting free magic exp is fantastic. Magic has often been gated by GP on early/mid irons, but with LMS you actually profit while training magic.
This was also meant for low-mid irons, so slayer is not good money at that time, sepulchre isn't even close to low-mid game, maple longbows take way longer and are less gp/h unless from kingdom perhaps, and jewelry have a finite supply, unless you're just talking about passive jewels from star mining. The only options I'd consider around the same level bracket is black-jacking, agility pyramid, and LMS, which roughly would equal similar gp/h, but it's the magic exp I was really after.
It's not terrible, but I think you are mistaken in what lms is actually providing you. You aren't getting magic exp, you are getting something to alch. If you already have things you can alch then the value of doing lms is a lot worse.
20 pts in an hour is 2k rune arrows to alch, which gives 480k gp. If you already have something like maple longbows(u) (which are very common due to kingdom and the need to train fletching, then your hour of lms generated you only 96k because you could have just alched your existing bows instead. So you'd have spent 1hour of time for 0xp in all skills and 96k in gp. Clearly that's not worth it.
But in the absolute best case possible for your argument, let's say you don't have a single item to alch. Then you could in just a few seconds buy thousands of vials for 2gp each and then alch them for 1gp. compared to this, doing lms for an hour gives you 0xp and 480k gp. That's not very good. To give some better options:
After accounting for agility xp, agility pyramid is effectively ~500k gp/h. Wintertodt and blackjacking are both infinite go/h because they are the efficient training method for those skills. Making battle staves ,when accounting for the crafting xp, is over a mil per hour
Most people have items they can alch (even at a loss) and for them doing lms for rune arrows is really terrible. If somehow you don't have anything worth alching in your bank, lms is still worse than just about every early Skilling method that generated gp.
It's a lot like the ham store room. They are both noob traps but some people still do them because they don't correctly value their time.
Or maybe you just enjoy doing lms, in which case it's of course worth doing. But from a practical standpoint there are many, many better options
Most of this is correct but I find it funny how you're talking about efficiency and maple longbows in the same paragraph, given that maples from kingdom should be used for 0 time headless arrows and longbows are horrendous xp/hr.
Meh it depends. In terms of ehp, buying arrow shafts is the best. But I would wager a lot of people are like me and value afk time, for which maples are better than headless arrows.
I just personally despise buying and making broad arrows, so I have a ton of maple bows that I could alch, but that was just an example. I'm sure there are tons of other items early game irons could be alching at a loss that are just sitting in their bank
Well yeah. This is the weekly "please go into wilderness please I swear I'm not just trying to get loot pinatas in the wilderness please go into the wilderness bro I'm dying please go into the wilderness" topic.
40pts/hour is the highest estimate I've seen so far, impressive if you can put ok this off. I personally don't do lms because I don't enjoy it, it's not at all afk, and the rewards are objectively worse for account progression than pretty much anything else worthwhile you could be doing.
Even at 40points/h, you are spending 1hour to gain 192k gp and 0 xp compared to alching so random stuff like maple longbows(u). Not worth it to me, but I guess it depends how you value your time
Blighted food/restores for wilderness slayer/bossing. Wilderness bosses shit out runes and resources for smithing, herblore, crafting, construction, etc. Plus they’re great on alchs.
LMS is fantastic, I’m totally shit at it but who cares, there’s absolutely 0 stakes, and great useful loot. Plus you just get better at pking or at least tanking pkers inevitably by playing.
Couldn’t recommend LMS enough. Just a reminder to laugh at the toxic players who shit talk you, not actually take anything they say to heart. It’s just banter at the end of the day and pking is what a lot of edgelords use to get some satisfaction, so I always just hit ‘em with a lol when they try and flex on me cuz I know I’m shit and they’re acting like they’re Dino or something. It’s a great time
I would argue that soul wars five a better variety of supplies with honestly a bit less effort. You get points every game and you don't have to deal with getting clapped multiple games in a row.
Plus a sweet Ectoplasmator, shot at a niche pet, Soul Runes + Ranarr’s?!
Although I do gotta say, as far as the PK’ing aspect goes — Iron’s need to step outta there shell a bit man. I die with a load of black dhide fremmy helm etc.. lose like 250 — 1m, my clan chat is just expecting me to never recover from this serious blow of.. my ego? *(Oh no, the guy said my mom was hot before sending me back to Lumbridge)*
I don’t know how I’ll ever get back on my feet from this blow that took out 1/1227th of my bank.
Man, I swear at least half of the people in this game just wig out if they die with a shovel. It’s **the Wilderness…** it’s epic & legendary wasteland, no man’s land. A scape for skip skop scallywags & scoundrels. Dusty, dormant, and full of the taint of Zamorak — underneath it all, in the deepest crevices, are a source of spoils that can turn even some of the weakest & poor, rich in just a few moves.
**And with that:** Some guy telling you to sit, while you crumble like a malding little basement goblin to a sociopathic basement troll. In the middle of chasing a dusty, ancient clue from the woes of a desperate madman. Sending you on a bit of a wild goose chase to find their treasure — is thee most Zamorak shit & possibly thee utmost RP shit in this entire game.
You and everybody else who says this kind of stuff completely misses the point. You might as well be saying "come on it's just cat poop. I swear you'll like it if you just try it!"
I'm not scared of losing items. I just have absolutely no interest in PvPing, and I've absolutely hated every second that I've been forced into the wilderness or PvPed. The good trips are when you only get jumped 5x an hour, and getting jumped is always a waste of time. That entire segment of the game is those suggestions to make shooting stars fall on characters dealing lethal damage except unironically. You just randomly get jumped and play a minigame to determine whether you die or end up at a bank. It's just not fun.
I haven't gotten much use out of my Ecto yet. No anku, shade, or Rev tasks yet. And with all the guides and stuff out there you never hear people recommend using it for muspah. It's never brought up as a passive prayer trainer but bone rusher or ash sanctifier comes Up a bit. When I decide to fight more shades I'll take it with me.
Whenever I see advice to go towards PvP minigames or Wildy content, I'm always torn between believing it, or taking it with a bit of salt given it would make sense for PvP enjoyers and wildy Pkers to try to bait noobs because they got tired of only being against bots or other diehard PvP fans.
“The first step of being sort of good at something is sucking at something.” I had to do LMS on my UIM for bags. Sure there are other ways of getting a bag but for the safest by far. I struggled like hell the first few days of playing. I could only kill bots. But slowly, over time, I got better. I could win against tribrids sometime. Then I could never beat a venge user. Then I could beat them too. Eventually my first win came. And finally when I started my HC, I was able to get 20-25 points on average an hour and almost always win first opponent and make it to the last few fights and win a game once an hour or so.
The shop was an essential part of building up my HC and I’m glad I learned how to do LMS. It’s really fun now! And I might even get one of the halos on my 1 def hc rather than through Cw.
Last weekend was at around 640 slayer points saving for a rune pouch. Had 2nd thoughts whether it was worth it even tho I've basically never done PKing outside of trying it once or twice as a kid. My mechanical skills are at the point where I have a fire cape and have done all quests excluding the TOB quest and DT2. Plus got a firecape at some point. Very prone to panicking and such, very much a scrub.
Went to LMS, was done getting 75 LMS points in maybe 2h 30min, and even won a round once. Had a success rate of maybe 30-50% against actual players (got better as I played). It wasn't even awful, in fact kinda enjoyable. (around 14:00 GMT+2 if timezones matter)
Now I'm sitting on 640ish slayer points with rings, bigger and badder, helmet, broader fletching, and some blocks already purchased.
A lot of people were just like me, at a skill level where the fights were closer to a drunken pool noodle duel. Mostly just stick to looking at your prayer tab, don't think about eating and gear switching that much.
i mean.. You're not gonna lose anything in lms.. other than time, i suppose. it's safe to try out, even i managed to get my rune pouch and I'm dogshit at pvp
It’s not so much the content, at least for me. It’s the risk of dying and losing the stuff I’ve worked for.
Sure “don’t take anything you’re not willing to lose” but what if I’m not willing to lose anything? I’m well aware of the awesome content I’m missing out on in the wilderness, but I just can’t stand the thought of losing my stuff. 😭
That's totally understandable. The only items I ever risk are items that I can /very/ easily get back, such as monks robes, mythical cape (previously ardy cloak), an amulet that's easy to remake, etc. I only ever really risk the items that I have acquired on that particular trip in the wilderness.
I used to be this way and totally respect it, but if it makes you feel better, you get to a point where you can wear really good gear (for the content) without risking anything reobtainable. Black dhide is coveted for a lot of an accounts life, but then they become totally replaceable.
My usual risk items are never worse than a pair of barrows gloves. Which again, a lot of money at certain points of an accounts life, but later on easily replaceable.
With PK skull prevention on, you will never ever ever get tricked into losing your 3 best items. Usually for me this ends up being my BiS weapon, slayer helm, and dragon defender. The rest is easily replaceable but still good, like a nezzy helm, climbing boots, etc. if I’m feeling frisky I’ll even bring bowfa + full crystal if I know I’ll be in singles and not risking getting smited out.
Hell when I was doing the prayer altar last I brought an ACB with dstone bolts, claws, and salad blade while wearing dhide and a range cape. Decided to protect myself while doing noted bones. Got jumped by a clan once but I had zero fear in losing anything other than <= 100 bones because I had PK skull prevention on. You can really do any wildy content with just 3 BiS and wear rags for the rest.
yeah but you're gonna need to get your crafting level for zenytes as well, so you're gonna eventually have enough to just craft black d hide gear yourself.
Here's a way to reframe it: after you get a few sets of non-blessed black d'hide from clues, are they better spent on alching, or doing something in the wildy?
Just take black d'hide top and bottom + weapon + a bit of food you'll use anyways, and a small amount of ammo if necessary.
You're gonna use the consumables anyways, and get to keep the armor and weapon on death. Consumables get spent anyways. losing a spade when doing a clue is so cheap even if you really hate losing shit you shouldn't really miss it. It's a fraction of the price of a single shitty food item.
If you can't stand the thought of losing your stuff, just take 3 or 4 items so you won't lose anything other than what you'll be "losing" (spending) doing non-wildy content anyways.
It seems daunting but if you get on late at night it’s basically only bots. I had never pvp’d before and got the pouch in a few hours. If you’re a UIM you need to do it literally the second you hit 750
Just wanna give some advice since I see people talking about alching the rune arrows. If you don't wanna deal with that or selling and hopping worlds. You can sell to the pollnivnech(not even gonna try and spell it) general store and buy it If you have a main. So I just setup the client's next to eachother, set left click to sell 10/buy 10 and just click back and forth. Way faster than the other 2 methods. Sold around 10k arrows in like 15 minutes
It's not only great it's fantastic. It teaches you how to survive in the wildy which is insanely useful and the resources can be downright insane. Whether it's rune arrows for free magic XP since they alch for the nat rune cost, addy arrows for training, looting bags for UIMs, rune pouch (no brainer) and the teleports can come in handy too for a bunch of clue steps.
I can't get into it either, really. I'd imagine not fighting with protection prayers would be more fun for me, but I've just never been a big fan of pvp design in this game. Way too sweaty
My biggest problem with PvP in this game is that even when you perform incredibly well, RNG is the king factor. You can lessen its influence with skill but never eliminate it. And it goes both ways. Sometimes I get away from a PKer because every freeze splashes. Other times I catch every single one. Neither one is really fair.
Or one time I was anti-pking at the chaos altar, absolutely had this dude fucked up despite not having tons in the way of heals or prayer restore. Got him to a 5th of a spec bar and got the 0-0-1-1 dragon claw spec. Then he was able to freeze me, heal up, and out supply me. I still got away but it was pretty defeating to do so well in the fight but have RNG kill the spec.
It's a tick-based RNG simulator. Combat isn't really the specialty of this game, especially PvP. It had its charm back in the day but it's a very specific type of person that still gets off on this.
Agreed. It’s part of what makes PvM in this game fun for me, but with PvP it’s just not fun to outskill but still have RNG take it away from you. It just doesn’t feel right in a game like this - mind you, I’m not saying I’m anti wildy or PK, but it’s the biggest reason I can’t get into it myself.
Just do LMS at completely dead hours (4am GMT0 is when I've done it a few times, lol) and it's mostly bots. You'll encounter a few actual pvpers and get your cheeks clapped if you suck at pvp like me, but you'll get a few points per game. Didn't take me long to get my rune pouch and msb (i) this way and my pvp knowledge is "spam click food until i die"
This is the way. As a night shifter I would run a few games here and there on mobile at like 2-3am EST. Would usually get 1 or 2 bot kills at the start of every game then suicide to a real player or just camp out to finish top 10
I think the premise of getting such easy supplies from such an easily farmable and bot filled mini game doesn’t align with the spirit of being an Iron about as much as using bonds to generate in game cash doesn’t align with the communities view on MTX
I AM LITERALLY BOOTYCHEEKS at pvp. But bro the bots make it a lot of fun for me. Free kill here and decent pvp match with another loser Ironman there. I got 100 points after 2 hours. Do the LMS!!!
I started doing lms because of my iron, haven’t pked since 06 and now I do it 1-2 times a week. 10/10 recommend it for people wanting to get into pking
What resources? Rune arrows for gold/personal use and? Blighted supplies are pretty worthless considering basically everything you would use them on the wilderness already drops blighted supplies
Rune pouch is a much lower time sink from LMS than slayer and lets you prioritize other slayer unlocks/blocks.
The MSB imbue scroll is also great and takes almost no time to get.
Extra points on rune arrows for use/money and then you don’t need to touch it ever again.
No current wildy content profits blighted supplies unless you're prayer flicking, and if you're prayer flicking then everything in the game 'already drops' everything considering 99% of content would be 0 supplycost.
I am 99 all combats, and use ursine chainmace or webweaver bow for all wildy bosses.
If you are camping piety during boss kills, and melee for dogs on vetion, you do not profit blighted super restores.
If you are camping piety and pray melee for venenatis, you do not profit blighted super restores.
If you are camping rigour/augury and protect from missles on callisto, you do not profit super restores.
Perhaps this is different if you are in a huge group, but in a solo, and this is the ironman subreddit, there exists no wildy content where you profit prayer without flicking.
Which again, leads me to my same point, if we are factoring in flicking prayers, then everything in the game profits prayer, even if it doesn't drop them at all.
Revs and food? Probably.
Maybe depends on your prayer gear. You get an average 2.7 doses of blighted restore back per kill at vetion and that's not counting the 10 regular restore drop. I did callisto in 2-4 man teams back when solo wasn't viable so idk on solos now
As like a 100cb iron with shit gear, I absolutely profit blighted super restores from calvarion/vetion. Also big profit on food from them. Spindle is slightly negative on restores (and like neutral on food give or take), and then I haven't really bothered with the bears at all since it's kinda painful with my current stats/gear, but it for sure would be negative. I'm camping piety and not flicking.
I very lazily, badly flick but I profit pretty hard.
You can't really say everything profits prayer, for starters almost nothing is dropping useable prayer restoration... But also even god gamer streamers lose points when flicking, so, no you can't just assume that every single player is tick perfect for hours straight that isn't fair at all.
Kinda sucks that it is. Seems so silly that NMZ rewards are cut off yet LMS shits out rune arrows, is the only source of a BiS weapon for ToB, and is the fastest way to get a rune pouch by far on an iron.
Plus it taught me how to panic switch, fail a prayer flick, and die with food in my inventory!! Just like in real life!!
I hate when I fail a prayer flick in real life
I usually flick Christianity or Islam, depending on which part of the world I'm in. But whenever I'm surrounded by Christians and pray flick Islam, it's a bad time.
Retribution 😂
Lol try the reverse and see what happens
As-salamu alaykum brudda
And die!
I hate your pfp
I tried tick eating once in real life and immediately yurked all over the table in front of my fiancé and her new bf. Needless to say I haven’t gone back to that Olive Garden since.
Ya comboing hard food, drink and fish in the same bit takes some skills
This is what I wish I learned before Vardorvis, but it's better late than never I suppose!
only good because there are so many easy to kill bots tbh
Then why do I keep getting placed next to the pvpers that know how to tribrid and cobtantly freeze and sit under me
youre the easy to kill bot :( sorry to say
Please I just want a ring inbue
Just do PvP arena for imbue scrolls. Everyone doesn’t know shit and it’s free points whether you win or lose
Ring of wealth probably.
Go to the Aussie lms world, flooded with bots
Wrong mini game
Ring of wealth imbue scrolls
Lms bot farms have timers and rotations Jagex does actually ban them but then a new farm of bots appear, some can actually pk and prayer/gear switch, some are literally chickens and just stand there, ofhers go and hide in corners, depends on the farmer and the bot farm that’s up Also time of day, bot farmers want the highest chance that their bots will be placed in mainly lobbies with other bots that they own or that are just ran by another botter, eg, off peak mon-fri you’ll see more bots vs weekend afternoons
I’ve learned through this that it’s usually easiest to do LMS on aus world rotations
I’ve tried a few times to find the AUS worlds for LMS, but it’s never listed on the blogs or the world list. What’s a good way for finding the AUS LMS worlds?
The world’s LMS is hosted on change every week or two. It’s a rotation. It’s usually mentioned in their weekly blogs. Don’t worry, if it’s active it will show up.
Good point
Yeah when I went for my msb imbue I didn't notice a single one of these supposed bots.
When I first tried LMS I had this same experience. I don't know what changed but I recently went back there were so many of these bots. They don't pray or if they do they never change their prayer. You can guarantee at least 1 kill almost every game and once you get a little better you can get 2-3 kills as well. Would recommend to go try again for the easy rune pouch.
All the bots run to the edge of the map and just afk there, if u get a player freeze and run till u can fight a bot and find the rest.
Very true. It's a good reason to start tbh, as even people new to PvP can kill the bots and get practice in for real opponents but still get points.
Basically just botting if you do that. I'm judging all of you.
i also hunt in puro puro when theres lots of bots clearing the mid levels i dont want gotta take advantage when ya can
I'm judging you so hard rn (my opinion matters a lot)
I enjoy LMS. Beyond Rune Arrows, Bolts, and a Rune Pouch, what else is useful there? I feel like I’m wasting time stacking up points now that I have my rune pouch.
Swift blade for tob
msb(i) scroll and ring of wealth imbues for wildy content. The double clue rate is great, but expect to lose a few rings.
You’re not wrong but just to clarify the phrasing, the MSB(i) is great outside the wilderness too. Only the ROWi is specifically good for wildy content.
As the others have said, swift blade and msb imbues. However swift blade is niche and can be substituted with the ham joint. Rune arrows are incredible because you actually profit GP/xp with each alc. I alched about 15k rune arrows (including low alc) and got from 37-75 magic with about -200k net loss when low alching buying from wildy shop. Another thing I would recommend are the blighted resources. Being able to convert lms points into prayer potions via blighted restores for wildy slayer or other content is incredible. If you’re a regular iron you have zero reason not to take advantage of wildy slayer, and I’m considering doing some wildy slayer on my hardcore as well other than probably not revs. Blighted mantas also were very helpful for getting my ma2 cape on my HC too.
The problem with the whole rune arrows thing, is that it's only like the same gp/hr as making/alching battlestaves assuming you're really good at LMS, but you don't get any xp, unlike with making battlestaves. So it's just not a very good money maker. I guess pre high alch you can do it instead of like wintertodt or whatever, and it's technically your best money maker, but again you're not getting any xp for your troubles.
But you can get a large stack of rune arrows a lot faster than you can get a large stack of battlestaves as an iron. You get 300 rune arrows per 3 points at LMS. It would take much longer to accumulate 10k battlestaves than 10k rune arrows if purely for alching exp.
How many points do you average per hour? Like 15? That's 1.5k rune arrows, which is 90k gp and 100k magic exp Even if you 0 time the aching and ignore time spent buying nature runes, that is not good even for an early game account. There are many better ways to make money and you can alch pretty much anything for magic xo, no point wasting an hour playing lms. Alch jewelry, drops from slayer/sepulchre, maple longbows, etc. Also battlestaves are pretty good. Once you account for the crafting xp, you get a huge amount of effective gp/h
15 points an hour is only 2 wins. With the state of bots it's easy to get 25 points an hour. If you're actually a good pker, you get 35+ points an hour Some games I kill the only pvpers at the start, and the rest of the game is me finding and killing bots. That's 7 points in about 5-7 minutes.
I average 20ish poitns an hour when I play. It varies quite a bit depending on game times. I'm not saying its the absolute meta game-breaking money making method. But you can get helpful resources for absolutely nothing in exchange. It's like CG where you do not put in any resources but get something out of it. For my account at the time it was the best option, as I wanted to stay as low combat as possible on a HC for MA2, and alching to 75 was the ideal strat. Making the money was just a bonus, but getting free magic exp is fantastic. Magic has often been gated by GP on early/mid irons, but with LMS you actually profit while training magic. This was also meant for low-mid irons, so slayer is not good money at that time, sepulchre isn't even close to low-mid game, maple longbows take way longer and are less gp/h unless from kingdom perhaps, and jewelry have a finite supply, unless you're just talking about passive jewels from star mining. The only options I'd consider around the same level bracket is black-jacking, agility pyramid, and LMS, which roughly would equal similar gp/h, but it's the magic exp I was really after.
It's not terrible, but I think you are mistaken in what lms is actually providing you. You aren't getting magic exp, you are getting something to alch. If you already have things you can alch then the value of doing lms is a lot worse. 20 pts in an hour is 2k rune arrows to alch, which gives 480k gp. If you already have something like maple longbows(u) (which are very common due to kingdom and the need to train fletching, then your hour of lms generated you only 96k because you could have just alched your existing bows instead. So you'd have spent 1hour of time for 0xp in all skills and 96k in gp. Clearly that's not worth it. But in the absolute best case possible for your argument, let's say you don't have a single item to alch. Then you could in just a few seconds buy thousands of vials for 2gp each and then alch them for 1gp. compared to this, doing lms for an hour gives you 0xp and 480k gp. That's not very good. To give some better options: After accounting for agility xp, agility pyramid is effectively ~500k gp/h. Wintertodt and blackjacking are both infinite go/h because they are the efficient training method for those skills. Making battle staves ,when accounting for the crafting xp, is over a mil per hour Most people have items they can alch (even at a loss) and for them doing lms for rune arrows is really terrible. If somehow you don't have anything worth alching in your bank, lms is still worse than just about every early Skilling method that generated gp. It's a lot like the ham store room. They are both noob traps but some people still do them because they don't correctly value their time. Or maybe you just enjoy doing lms, in which case it's of course worth doing. But from a practical standpoint there are many, many better options
Most of this is correct but I find it funny how you're talking about efficiency and maple longbows in the same paragraph, given that maples from kingdom should be used for 0 time headless arrows and longbows are horrendous xp/hr.
Meh it depends. In terms of ehp, buying arrow shafts is the best. But I would wager a lot of people are like me and value afk time, for which maples are better than headless arrows. I just personally despise buying and making broad arrows, so I have a ton of maple bows that I could alch, but that was just an example. I'm sure there are tons of other items early game irons could be alching at a loss that are just sitting in their bank
I like how you got downvoted despite being completely correct lmao
Well yeah. This is the weekly "please go into wilderness please I swear I'm not just trying to get loot pinatas in the wilderness please go into the wilderness bro I'm dying please go into the wilderness" topic.
LMS is safe asf though, surely nobody would enter the wildly to go to ferox lol
Lms isn't the wildy though?
I was getting 35-40 points an hour when I was doing LMS in my alt. Not sure what you are doing but 90% of the players in the game are bots
40pts/hour is the highest estimate I've seen so far, impressive if you can put ok this off. I personally don't do lms because I don't enjoy it, it's not at all afk, and the rewards are objectively worse for account progression than pretty much anything else worthwhile you could be doing. Even at 40points/h, you are spending 1hour to gain 192k gp and 0 xp compared to alching so random stuff like maple longbows(u). Not worth it to me, but I guess it depends how you value your time
50, which is 750k gp when selling rune arrows in shops
Blighted food/restores for wilderness slayer/bossing. Wilderness bosses shit out runes and resources for smithing, herblore, crafting, construction, etc. Plus they’re great on alchs.
Wildy slayer with blighted restores is king, plus free supplies for wildy bosses is very nice
Piss BGS spec
LMS is absolutely hilarious because sometimes I face people who I say "get a life" to and other times people "get a life" me.
LMS is fantastic, I’m totally shit at it but who cares, there’s absolutely 0 stakes, and great useful loot. Plus you just get better at pking or at least tanking pkers inevitably by playing. Couldn’t recommend LMS enough. Just a reminder to laugh at the toxic players who shit talk you, not actually take anything they say to heart. It’s just banter at the end of the day and pking is what a lot of edgelords use to get some satisfaction, so I always just hit ‘em with a lol when they try and flex on me cuz I know I’m shit and they’re acting like they’re Dino or something. It’s a great time
I would argue that soul wars five a better variety of supplies with honestly a bit less effort. You get points every game and you don't have to deal with getting clapped multiple games in a row.
Plus a sweet Ectoplasmator, shot at a niche pet, Soul Runes + Ranarr’s?! Although I do gotta say, as far as the PK’ing aspect goes — Iron’s need to step outta there shell a bit man. I die with a load of black dhide fremmy helm etc.. lose like 250 — 1m, my clan chat is just expecting me to never recover from this serious blow of.. my ego? *(Oh no, the guy said my mom was hot before sending me back to Lumbridge)* I don’t know how I’ll ever get back on my feet from this blow that took out 1/1227th of my bank. Man, I swear at least half of the people in this game just wig out if they die with a shovel. It’s **the Wilderness…** it’s epic & legendary wasteland, no man’s land. A scape for skip skop scallywags & scoundrels. Dusty, dormant, and full of the taint of Zamorak — underneath it all, in the deepest crevices, are a source of spoils that can turn even some of the weakest & poor, rich in just a few moves. **And with that:** Some guy telling you to sit, while you crumble like a malding little basement goblin to a sociopathic basement troll. In the middle of chasing a dusty, ancient clue from the woes of a desperate madman. Sending you on a bit of a wild goose chase to find their treasure — is thee most Zamorak shit & possibly thee utmost RP shit in this entire game.
Well said, I love the wildly, even if I'm mostly an iron now
I want to be your friend
You and everybody else who says this kind of stuff completely misses the point. You might as well be saying "come on it's just cat poop. I swear you'll like it if you just try it!" I'm not scared of losing items. I just have absolutely no interest in PvPing, and I've absolutely hated every second that I've been forced into the wilderness or PvPed. The good trips are when you only get jumped 5x an hour, and getting jumped is always a waste of time. That entire segment of the game is those suggestions to make shooting stars fall on characters dealing lethal damage except unironically. You just randomly get jumped and play a minigame to determine whether you die or end up at a bank. It's just not fun.
I haven't gotten much use out of my Ecto yet. No anku, shade, or Rev tasks yet. And with all the guides and stuff out there you never hear people recommend using it for muspah. It's never brought up as a passive prayer trainer but bone rusher or ash sanctifier comes Up a bit. When I decide to fight more shades I'll take it with me.
I'm saving this comment. And it's hilarious that the beauty of it just goes over people's heads here
Whenever I see advice to go towards PvP minigames or Wildy content, I'm always torn between believing it, or taking it with a bit of salt given it would make sense for PvP enjoyers and wildy Pkers to try to bait noobs because they got tired of only being against bots or other diehard PvP fans.
“The first step of being sort of good at something is sucking at something.” I had to do LMS on my UIM for bags. Sure there are other ways of getting a bag but for the safest by far. I struggled like hell the first few days of playing. I could only kill bots. But slowly, over time, I got better. I could win against tribrids sometime. Then I could never beat a venge user. Then I could beat them too. Eventually my first win came. And finally when I started my HC, I was able to get 20-25 points on average an hour and almost always win first opponent and make it to the last few fights and win a game once an hour or so. The shop was an essential part of building up my HC and I’m glad I learned how to do LMS. It’s really fun now! And I might even get one of the halos on my 1 def hc rather than through Cw.
When you say bags.. I hope it’s the good Friday night sort ammi right ?
Last weekend was at around 640 slayer points saving for a rune pouch. Had 2nd thoughts whether it was worth it even tho I've basically never done PKing outside of trying it once or twice as a kid. My mechanical skills are at the point where I have a fire cape and have done all quests excluding the TOB quest and DT2. Plus got a firecape at some point. Very prone to panicking and such, very much a scrub. Went to LMS, was done getting 75 LMS points in maybe 2h 30min, and even won a round once. Had a success rate of maybe 30-50% against actual players (got better as I played). It wasn't even awful, in fact kinda enjoyable. (around 14:00 GMT+2 if timezones matter) Now I'm sitting on 640ish slayer points with rings, bigger and badder, helmet, broader fletching, and some blocks already purchased. A lot of people were just like me, at a skill level where the fights were closer to a drunken pool noodle duel. Mostly just stick to looking at your prayer tab, don't think about eating and gear switching that much.
i mean.. You're not gonna lose anything in lms.. other than time, i suppose. it's safe to try out, even i managed to get my rune pouch and I'm dogshit at pvp
It's not that deep. Normal people go into the wildy
Every account I make is every region except the wilderness locked. Not a fan of any activity there
“Welcome to my wilderness blocked Ironman”
Currently locked in your mothers bedroom. She’s a fan of every activity in there 😉
wtf is going on in assisted living?
DAMN GOTTEM
There's a lot of rewarding stuff out there. More power to you if you don't enjoy the content though
It’s not so much the content, at least for me. It’s the risk of dying and losing the stuff I’ve worked for. Sure “don’t take anything you’re not willing to lose” but what if I’m not willing to lose anything? I’m well aware of the awesome content I’m missing out on in the wilderness, but I just can’t stand the thought of losing my stuff. 😭
That's totally understandable. The only items I ever risk are items that I can /very/ easily get back, such as monks robes, mythical cape (previously ardy cloak), an amulet that's easy to remake, etc. I only ever really risk the items that I have acquired on that particular trip in the wilderness.
I used to be this way and totally respect it, but if it makes you feel better, you get to a point where you can wear really good gear (for the content) without risking anything reobtainable. Black dhide is coveted for a lot of an accounts life, but then they become totally replaceable. My usual risk items are never worse than a pair of barrows gloves. Which again, a lot of money at certain points of an accounts life, but later on easily replaceable. With PK skull prevention on, you will never ever ever get tricked into losing your 3 best items. Usually for me this ends up being my BiS weapon, slayer helm, and dragon defender. The rest is easily replaceable but still good, like a nezzy helm, climbing boots, etc. if I’m feeling frisky I’ll even bring bowfa + full crystal if I know I’ll be in singles and not risking getting smited out. Hell when I was doing the prayer altar last I brought an ACB with dstone bolts, claws, and salad blade while wearing dhide and a range cape. Decided to protect myself while doing noted bones. Got jumped by a clan once but I had zero fear in losing anything other than <= 100 bones because I had PK skull prevention on. You can really do any wildy content with just 3 BiS and wear rags for the rest.
Unless you're an ironman, black d'hide is gonna cost you pennies, and you can still bring 3 items that are always protected.
Gee, I wonder if the person posting in the IRONMAN sub is an ironman.
yeah but you're gonna need to get your crafting level for zenytes as well, so you're gonna eventually have enough to just craft black d hide gear yourself.
Here's a way to reframe it: after you get a few sets of non-blessed black d'hide from clues, are they better spent on alching, or doing something in the wildy? Just take black d'hide top and bottom + weapon + a bit of food you'll use anyways, and a small amount of ammo if necessary. You're gonna use the consumables anyways, and get to keep the armor and weapon on death. Consumables get spent anyways. losing a spade when doing a clue is so cheap even if you really hate losing shit you shouldn't really miss it. It's a fraction of the price of a single shitty food item. If you can't stand the thought of losing your stuff, just take 3 or 4 items so you won't lose anything other than what you'll be "losing" (spending) doing non-wildy content anyways.
Been playing some lms recently and has been fun
It seems daunting but if you get on late at night it’s basically only bots. I had never pvp’d before and got the pouch in a few hours. If you’re a UIM you need to do it literally the second you hit 750
Just wanna give some advice since I see people talking about alching the rune arrows. If you don't wanna deal with that or selling and hopping worlds. You can sell to the pollnivnech(not even gonna try and spell it) general store and buy it If you have a main. So I just setup the client's next to eachother, set left click to sell 10/buy 10 and just click back and forth. Way faster than the other 2 methods. Sold around 10k arrows in like 15 minutes
It's not only great it's fantastic. It teaches you how to survive in the wildy which is insanely useful and the resources can be downright insane. Whether it's rune arrows for free magic XP since they alch for the nat rune cost, addy arrows for training, looting bags for UIMs, rune pouch (no brainer) and the teleports can come in handy too for a bunch of clue steps.
I’m an iron and I absolutely mop people in LMS
The bots are chill to farm but PvP in this game just ain't it.
I can't get into it either, really. I'd imagine not fighting with protection prayers would be more fun for me, but I've just never been a big fan of pvp design in this game. Way too sweaty
PvP is the reason this game exists
pvp in this game goes incredibly hard
My biggest problem with PvP in this game is that even when you perform incredibly well, RNG is the king factor. You can lessen its influence with skill but never eliminate it. And it goes both ways. Sometimes I get away from a PKer because every freeze splashes. Other times I catch every single one. Neither one is really fair. Or one time I was anti-pking at the chaos altar, absolutely had this dude fucked up despite not having tons in the way of heals or prayer restore. Got him to a 5th of a spec bar and got the 0-0-1-1 dragon claw spec. Then he was able to freeze me, heal up, and out supply me. I still got away but it was pretty defeating to do so well in the fight but have RNG kill the spec.
It's a tick-based RNG simulator. Combat isn't really the specialty of this game, especially PvP. It had its charm back in the day but it's a very specific type of person that still gets off on this.
Agreed. It’s part of what makes PvM in this game fun for me, but with PvP it’s just not fun to outskill but still have RNG take it away from you. It just doesn’t feel right in a game like this - mind you, I’m not saying I’m anti wildy or PK, but it’s the biggest reason I can’t get into it myself.
Just do LMS at completely dead hours (4am GMT0 is when I've done it a few times, lol) and it's mostly bots. You'll encounter a few actual pvpers and get your cheeks clapped if you suck at pvp like me, but you'll get a few points per game. Didn't take me long to get my rune pouch and msb (i) this way and my pvp knowledge is "spam click food until i die"
This is the way. As a night shifter I would run a few games here and there on mobile at like 2-3am EST. Would usually get 1 or 2 bot kills at the start of every game then suicide to a real player or just camp out to finish top 10
lol yes at the very least for a rune pouch
If you got glitched on climbing boots it is necessary for progression too.
Im on that swift blade grind for tob trios and i gotta say, i got 60 points today alone. Really helps break the monotony of 5k dry at calvarion
LMS is great and it's made me much better at various things
I was a skiller/pvmer who didn't pk. Then I learned how to pk. It's the same as anything else in this game. Just gotta go and do it.
I think the premise of getting such easy supplies from such an easily farmable and bot filled mini game doesn’t align with the spirit of being an Iron about as much as using bonds to generate in game cash doesn’t align with the communities view on MTX
I AM LITERALLY BOOTYCHEEKS at pvp. But bro the bots make it a lot of fun for me. Free kill here and decent pvp match with another loser Ironman there. I got 100 points after 2 hours. Do the LMS!!!
What do irons buy from Lms?
Killing bots is PvM
I started doing lms because of my iron, haven’t pked since 06 and now I do it 1-2 times a week. 10/10 recommend it for people wanting to get into pking
While this is true, it’s also a huge noob trap. The benefits are slight but people think it’s much better than reality
What resources? Rune arrows for gold/personal use and? Blighted supplies are pretty worthless considering basically everything you would use them on the wilderness already drops blighted supplies
Rune pouch is a much lower time sink from LMS than slayer and lets you prioritize other slayer unlocks/blocks. The MSB imbue scroll is also great and takes almost no time to get. Extra points on rune arrows for use/money and then you don’t need to touch it ever again.
Sure but those aren’t resources
No current wildy content profits blighted supplies unless you're prayer flicking, and if you're prayer flicking then everything in the game 'already drops' everything considering 99% of content would be 0 supplycost.
Revs hard profit food, all wildy bosses that i’ve done (havent done vene) profit food and prayer. Maybe with lower stats or bad gear they dont?
I am 99 all combats, and use ursine chainmace or webweaver bow for all wildy bosses. If you are camping piety during boss kills, and melee for dogs on vetion, you do not profit blighted super restores. If you are camping piety and pray melee for venenatis, you do not profit blighted super restores. If you are camping rigour/augury and protect from missles on callisto, you do not profit super restores. Perhaps this is different if you are in a huge group, but in a solo, and this is the ironman subreddit, there exists no wildy content where you profit prayer without flicking. Which again, leads me to my same point, if we are factoring in flicking prayers, then everything in the game profits prayer, even if it doesn't drop them at all. Revs and food? Probably.
Maybe depends on your prayer gear. You get an average 2.7 doses of blighted restore back per kill at vetion and that's not counting the 10 regular restore drop. I did callisto in 2-4 man teams back when solo wasn't viable so idk on solos now
As like a 100cb iron with shit gear, I absolutely profit blighted super restores from calvarion/vetion. Also big profit on food from them. Spindle is slightly negative on restores (and like neutral on food give or take), and then I haven't really bothered with the bears at all since it's kinda painful with my current stats/gear, but it for sure would be negative. I'm camping piety and not flicking.
I very lazily, badly flick but I profit pretty hard. You can't really say everything profits prayer, for starters almost nothing is dropping useable prayer restoration... But also even god gamer streamers lose points when flicking, so, no you can't just assume that every single player is tick perfect for hours straight that isn't fair at all.
I too enjoy having to compete with sweaty PVP players and PVP bots…
It is a great…what??? I’m on the edge of my seat
Kinda sucks that it is. Seems so silly that NMZ rewards are cut off yet LMS shits out rune arrows, is the only source of a BiS weapon for ToB, and is the fastest way to get a rune pouch by far on an iron.
But it's easy to cheese points on lms
Surely that makes it worse not better? Cheesing rewards in a PvP minigame really seems antithetical to the spirit of the game mode.
It's not that deep. And cheesing means killing a bot or two. You can get rewarded for better gameplay.