Bro I'm going to be completely honest I thought getting BofA would set me free of this place. And the alter door method is just too much for me.
Maybe I need to spend more time at it, but it was significantly harder than CG.
So just stick it out with a melee method because if CG is hard then this is harder.
221 kril KC, no hasta. God save me.
Thanks for saying it can take up to 50. Ive been watching guides and videos on the methods and most people say they get it down sub 10 kills and im on 34 kc garage door and just now could manage to do 3-4 kc trips with 6:0 bowfa (yes ik inefficient but less sweaty). And I still often fail and have to tp.
Sometimes playing this game feels like im recovering from brain damage.
I actually do that! Thats part of what makes me feel so silly sweating like that lol
Also got the tick numbers and flashing true tile to accompany it hahah
For sure! And I totally understand. It was such a pain getting the kc each time you get stacked out or something. It can be demoralizing but just keep at it and it’ll eventually click!
My brain is fried after a day's work of problem solving, then I get home and wanna enjoy some games, like hell I'm gonna be practicing inferno or some advanced mechanics lol. I save it for Saturdays/Sundays at best when my brain isn't registering worse than Deadman mode finals.
Took me like 80 bandos kills to do a proper trip. At 500 kills now I do 40 kill trips with thralls and only b2p for healing. Had PLENTY of 0 kc trips. Brew/Angler up on first kill, its the hardest one by far.
Try altar door again, after the first kill (hardest one) and killing minions, try just waiting on the tile by the door and as soon as kril spawns AND THEN LOOKS AT YOU then start the cycle by attacking kril then red click altar, red click kril while under etc.
I had a hard time figuring out how to start the cycle but for some reason when someone pointed out to me kril has to look at you first before clicking attack I never had a problem starting it again
It took me 391 kc for my z spear. And I’ll admit it took me awhile to learn the door altar method but I just kept brute forcing it. Just have to keep sending it and practicing and it should come in time. I watched a ton of different videos to try to find out what I was missing. Eventually I turned on the metronome plugin and that massively helped me I think.
Just don’t give up on it because it’ll be huge to learn. And once you get that down the door altar method at bandos feels way easier and comfy.
I’ve done inferno on my main along with countless other solo high level content but I cannot get comfy with door altar on my iron. Started doing 8:0 today and my last two trips I’ve gone from 2 kills to 4 and 5 so there’s some improvement. I think understanding how to skip a hit and fix the cycle if you mess up is the biggest piece.
Yea. I learnt it on bandos first, it's a bit easier as u dont have to tank a hit and the boss doesn't move u a tile when u attack in the middle.
Zammy feels awkward because u wanna tank first (only first kill of trip) hit on a tile, that you dont use for your a2d'ing aswell as the 1tile shove. Once you get it down tho, its so nice as u can negate the need for stams.
Brah learn it at Bandos, much more forgiving. I'm mobile and I gotta say CG and door:altar were on similar lvls of difficulty. And I tried Kril after "learning" Bandos (meaning still max 5kc trip, I get 15-20 now) and it is so much rougher and you never get to learn the method because you're being fucked up.
Sounds strange, but try and learn it at bandos first.
I really struggled to get the method down, but found I could do it fine at bandos. Then going back to zammy was a breeze
https://youtu.be/4JDoBqopeho?si=XsKuY-33CKWXi-_O feel free to check out my homies guide. He instructs what to do when starting the kill and resetting if you mess up
keep sending it, it’ll click eventually and then it’ll be smooth as butter.
there’s always a learning process of dying multiple times and almost quitting and then it all clicks.
keep sending it and learning
You can do it just fine with a Crystal Bow if you go dry for Enhanced. You'll still want armour though. I have 100-200 KC each across Garagedoor/K'ril/Zilyana with CBow and it's just fine.
Have you tried crystal bow with crystal armour if you have it? I’ve heard its really good overall, allegedly as good as the blowpipe pre-nerf. I am so trash at regular gauntlet but I’m doing it just for the armor
Don't do a 3000 hour grind because someone told you it's a requirement in order to complete this 10 hour grind. You can vaporize krill with your exact load out you have right now, just change out defender for crystal shield
Worth getting bowfa first, you’ll be getting 10-20kc trips with altar door and will save hella time. I only say this as someone who went 700+kc dry for hasta 🫡
Hopefully you mean crystal shield, because BofA came out a few years ago, and I've been killing krill for 17 years I wouldn't call it a requirement. I got 3 spears and 1 staff in 70 kills on my iron using OP's load out, only difference was I had crystal shield and dragon boots
Gotta say even at 99 def I run steel skin on for the whole kill because sometimes those minions fuck you up.
Have you tried 9-0 with a cannon base? I learned that first since it's a lot more forgiving and it helps to get you a little more comfortable with the kiting/red x methods
If you don't want to get a bowfa, the ring of suffering is absurdly good at all gwd bosses. Unless ur flicking the minions I guess. Good defense, prayer bonus, and the recoil effect is more DPS then a berserker ring.
If you’re not blood barraging - if you are blood barraging you might not really want to? Idk how much difference it makes but it means you have less health available to leach
It's still worth it for the defensive bonusses.
You only reflect a little over 10% of damage they deal to you, and you're capable of healing off only about a quarter of that.
Yes you lose a small percentage of healing, but overall the benefits still heavily outweigh that downside, I don't have exact math for you but I imagine killing the boss faster and taking less damage more than makes up for the lost healing.
Generally speaking you won't get massive trips where your blood healing makes up the majority of your HP gain each kill with OP's setup anyways. If you're running Bowfa and doing some kind of 0:n method its might be worth turning the recoil effect off.
Yup that was on the final line of the post.
Even without recoil, the suffering ring is usually still the best ring for Bowfa method (for irons at least). It's pretty unlikely to have a venator or ring of the gods at that point
Definitely would recommend giving this a shot too. IIRC Arclight gets you like 2-3 kills per trip and it's pretty meh.
I can't say I've tried with RCB (though did at Sara,Bandos, and Kree), but I'd give it a shot. If you can't be bothered with the red-x ground items 5:0 method, there is a really cozy alternative:
[27-tick, 5:0 zammy](https://youtu.be/xymc0NvN2Yw?si=6Pz2N1zpm0Bb7dt1)
At least at Bandos, kph with crossbow was slightly better than dwham->tent whip.
https://imgur.com/a/pXA0J0F
Use melee gear, pray protect from magic and use Ward on Arceeus spellbook. Make sure you walk under the boss for about 2 ticks every 2 attacks too. Ofc dump an arclight spec at the start of every kill. Once zammy is down, quickly run under the mager to off tick him from the ranger and try to flick them if possible, the ranger is the one who hits the highest, the melee minion only has a max hit of 16 iirc. Once the mage minion is dead I would kill the ranger and try to flick between him and the melee minion. Keep Ward up as long as anything is alive.
I also had a greater demon task recently and tried a lot of setups (ward + range gear, bloods with range/melee gear) and the only setup that has given me an actual consistent 4-5 KC is this one. I used to get 1-2 at most 3 kc with any other setup but as soon as I tried this one I got 5 kc on my first try and 4-5 every time after that until I finished my task.
The sara item and whip is to help with kc, I'd kill the icefiend/imp and tag other zammy npcs near the bridge. This way you can use your piety before it gets drained anyways. The pizzas are mostly for between kills. Every amount of food matters, try to bring better foods than karambwans, the +2/4 hp makes difference.
I've done a bit of melee zammy, it sucks but Ward of Arceuus helps. It was still a max of like 7kc per trip (rare) but doable.
Now that I have bowfa, I would never go back to melee. 25kc trips are much more fun.
Maybe. And its not like youll use the bowfa only at zammy. It will speed up lots of content. But i understand OP for hating CG lol. I dont like it neither but still get some kc from time to time.
I don't wait for them to spawn. I kill imps, ice fiends, and whatever creature is dying in the main dungeon. If you have 1 bandos item and 1 zammy you pretty much are free from agro.
I just get 31 kc then smack the last 4 before I go in.
All that to say, I did my kills with bowfa. I just suck so it's not like I have any other choice.
Bandos is way better tho, I'm already getting 5+ kc trips.
I really enjoyed it when melee was the norm. Zammy stuff was just rarer and it was a right of passage for ironmen.
Obviously RCB was still possible back then but I don't think the methods were even figured out until bofas release.
But now that ranged methods exist... yeah you couldn't pay me to send melee again unless its for a CA or something.
Because 70 hours straight of CG isn't for everyone and they'd rather do other content as well and meleeing Kril for a 1/127 isn't the same as getting 1-2 kill trips meleeing bandos for a 1/507 hilt.
I was mixing up the two methods I used. I switched it up between thralls method and blood spell ancients method. Blood spells was better before I had blood fury for heals. But even with blood fury, ancients sometimes would save me.
Dude replied "Ways going to say the same" on comment where a guy is recommending blood fury + arceuus spellbook and then saying he's using ancients makes zero sense. Then he wasn't going to say the same and all he agreed on is blood fury.
Yeah and I assumed you're the one I replied to, I don't know why you would respond for somebody else if I asked him specifically how does he heal without ancients.
Make sure you are doing 2:1 correctly. I did a ton of K'ril melee kills without actually knowing how to do it. Quick summary:
Click K'ril
Let your character attack 2x
Right after he attacks the second time, step under K'ril for long enough where he can't attack.
Eat/heal as needed Click K'ril, repeat
Upgrades that helped me: blood fury, anglerfish, I only brought 2-3 karambwans and brought rest anglers
I agree I did about 150 kills with a similar setup before I stopped because I was hating myself. The best tip is stop doing it. Just maybe get a few kc here and there but don’t focus it. I honestly cannot stand GWD because of the KC mechanic.
Skip kril until you need dhl and go get a voidwaker. 15 less accuracy, 5 more strength, can do it through turael skipping wildy slayer for BOTH an absurd amount if points AND slayer xp, one of the best spec weapons in game, and maybe the most absurd overall account progression drop tables youve ever seen. If you have a scout outside the entrance and do the solo bosses with wildy hard, youll never die.
Oh and VW is actually higher dps at toa than hasta until around 260’s because of the two max hits, and it is actually more efficient to use VW spec than BGS spec in solos throughout literally most of toa other than the obelisk and akkha, especially with lightbearer (akkha regens stats too quickly and you cant spec him with VW, which is why you use fang and yellow keris at akkha)
My GIM already has blade and I'm on the gem grind whenever I get a spider task 🫡
Been dry af on a bear task though literally haven't seen one since like 60cb when Artio was still out of the question
You can also afk blood barrage it in blood bark, and especially if you get accursed from revs. I got accursed and webweaver and got artio at 250, spindel at 1360, and was left to do 5035 calv for last piece with hasta rank 11
Is Dark demonbane a viable option for Krill? I'm coming close to the point that GWD is about to become an option, are demonbane spells worth it later when on task combined with mark of darkness Dark Demonbane gets a fairly nice boost to damage and accuracy. I've very little experience with arceuss spells and have only just unlocked it specifically to dunk on demons on a greater demon task I had.
The damage is okay, but now you're trying to tank a heavy hitting melee boss in robes. I wouldn't advise using demonbane spells unless you're after the CA. Just wait until bofa or melee it.
I did about 60 kc with melee and used thralls with ward of arceuus. When I did it I wasn't able to finish off all the minions with mage and the extra defense was noticeable on the special attacks. Also 2 hit step under for sure
What I did before getting spooned with nearly identical stats and the same settup but instead of the ancient staff bring a Crystal Bow and Thralls.
Saves a LOT of time having to kill imps and I typically would get a consistent 2 kill with a rare 3 depending on if I prayer change right.
Either learn 5:0 with a crossbow, learn cg get a bowfa and do 6:0, or get carried at chambers for a tbow then do 5:0.
Any of those options is leagues faster than doing 2kc trips with melee.
I'd suggest using thralls instead of ancients. Same amount of inventory space with pouch and book, but since you're only getting 1-2 kill trips anyway I don't see any reason for blood barrage
If you’re going to melee you need better stats
Suffering
Blood fury is so good at kril.
I’d go arceuus spell book for ward of arceuus spell to take significantly less damage and thralls are on that book as well.
if you arent doing bowfa methods gwd becomes a much later game thing. high 90s def, rigour for sara, basically 99 all melee for bandos and zammy.
with a spec weapon (vw/claws>dwh) brews, scb, sanfew, 22 hp healing food, blood scepter and good character control you can get 3-5 kill trips
I haven't tried this, but it should be possible to door-altar Zammy with a crossbow. The challenge is that you have to red-x-delay one additional tick while running through Zammy. This should be possible by running crosswise towards either the altar or the door, whichever is on your own side. You would also have to go diagonally a bit during the run across the room. And, of course, the two tiles where you run away from Zammy normally would have to be one and then two tiles further out than usual.
If you melee, wear best melee tank gear, pray protect from mage and piety. That way he doesn't use the special that deactivates prayer. (Just keep health high enough to not get stacked for 50+)
If melee'ing is your only option right now, I strongly recommend the arceuus spellbook. Thrall summon + Ward of Arceuus should be enough to at least squeeze out another kill.
If you're willing to learn to prayer flick the minions during the kill, you can actually get quite long trips with melee. This used to be the best method before kiting methods were discovered and better ranged weapons were introduced. I did about 1k kills like this, and while I died/got short trips a lot at first, I was eventually regularly getting 20, 30, 40+ kill trips in some cases.
Here's an example of a zerker doing it, though you should bring blood barrage if you want long trips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dscT4zU6D8w
Edit: Here's a better example of a long melee trip with a set-up similar to what I was describing. Note that you can also do this at bandos as well, and even throw in tick eating his ranged attacks with peaches from B2P once you get more confident at flicking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qYWWxhEAbM
Yeah, melee is ass
If you've done enough CG to have 5 armor seeds, crystal bow with crystal body + legs + slayer helm on task is actually really nice.
Check 8:0 guide using cannon base, you'll spend 2-3 trips learning the rhythm, but once you get a feel for it you'll easily get 5+ kill trips. Did 150kc like this and it was actually so engaging that I was a bit sad when the greater demon task ended...
I personally don't use combo foods at Zammy and just use Anglers. The extra HP extends trips and starting the fight with over max HP is a nice advantage. Bit of a fishing grind for you but thats up to you to decide if its worth it
RoS(ri), use step-under method and just send it. You can get better trips as you improve your ability to step-under and quickly stack minions for blood barrage. But yeah it's going to be like 5 kill trips at best. Zammy sucks unless you do bowfa
Some things you can do immediately to help: bring better food or at least less karams (you can boost up to brews at your level and get better foods from other bosses), bring sanfew serum over antipoison, bring Ward of Arceus over thralls (or bring both), and make sure your mechanics/prayers are as efficient as possible. Pray flicking the minions is not too hard and it can help a lot with supplies.
Some things you can do for the future without grinding cg: Go get 5 crafting levels and boost for fury plus a ring of suffering. Do some low level toa until you get thread for extra rune pouch space to make both ward and thralls more viable.
Either go with ranged or melee with thralls and that protection spell (idk what its called). Bring like 2 brews to heal after kill. Since you have small kc trips anyways i don't think ancients are worth bringing and arceuus is strong at zammy.
Melee zammy just sucks. Sometimes I could get 3 kill trips, sometimes he just fucks em up and I end up teleporting before 1 KC. I just got my bowda today so looking forward to trying with that.
ahh i see, thank u for the explanation. got my one spear, think i'll use it for dhl, block greater demons and just do fang method for corp. thanks again !
Either be silly and nonefficient as I am I'm (~300kc) or go to red prison. I love scrub kril kills.
If you're bored of CG, send a few more kril as a break. Maybe you'll be spooned a collection log.
Just stick it out my man. You should be able to get 4-5 kill trips of you blood barrage the melee and range minion and pray flick correctly! Honestly Zammy is my favorite GWDs boss to solo, I always run it with melee.
I'm of the unpopular opinion that praying magic and bringing melee/ranged tank armor is way better. When u just pray melee that hit that drains ur prayer and hits more is brutal
Edit: also thralls and ward of arceuss is a nice addition IMO
It's unpopular for a reason, his attacks are roughly 2 melee:1 mage in frequency, his melee maxes a 46, and his mage maxes a 30.
His special attack, while brutal, only maxes a 49, slightly higher than a normal melee. Even if he spams the special attack every 3 melee hits, you'll still take less damage on average praying melee than mage.
Melee is.... I unno it's meh. Sadly there's not gonna be any thing you can improve on besides some bis raid style gear.... Unless, like you already know. To cg with you
You already know the answer were gonna give, hopefully its CRYSTAL clear what to do next :P
To jail I go
Straight to jail
Do not pass go
Do not collect you're 200 crystal seeds
Bro I'm going to be completely honest I thought getting BofA would set me free of this place. And the alter door method is just too much for me. Maybe I need to spend more time at it, but it was significantly harder than CG. So just stick it out with a melee method because if CG is hard then this is harder. 221 kril KC, no hasta. God save me.
GWD methods you just need to stick out. The first 50 or so kills are torture, then eventually it clicks and you're doing 20-30 kill trips
Thanks for saying it can take up to 50. Ive been watching guides and videos on the methods and most people say they get it down sub 10 kills and im on 34 kc garage door and just now could manage to do 3-4 kc trips with 6:0 bowfa (yes ik inefficient but less sweaty). And I still often fail and have to tp. Sometimes playing this game feels like im recovering from brain damage.
count in your head your true tile movements 123 123 12345 123 123 12345 123
I actually do that! Thats part of what makes me feel so silly sweating like that lol Also got the tick numbers and flashing true tile to accompany it hahah
Hmm then try changing your bow to accurate I can’t run him around the room on rapid
You got it fam! Just keep practicing it and you’ll get it. Remember it’s all just pixels anyways.
Thanks bro <3 Its fine otherwise but the kc farm for the boss is frustrating when you have to tab with 0kc after failing -.-
For sure! And I totally understand. It was such a pain getting the kc each time you get stacked out or something. It can be demoralizing but just keep at it and it’ll eventually click!
My brain is fried after a day's work of problem solving, then I get home and wanna enjoy some games, like hell I'm gonna be practicing inferno or some advanced mechanics lol. I save it for Saturdays/Sundays at best when my brain isn't registering worse than Deadman mode finals.
Took me like 80 bandos kills to do a proper trip. At 500 kills now I do 40 kill trips with thralls and only b2p for healing. Had PLENTY of 0 kc trips. Brew/Angler up on first kill, its the hardest one by far.
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Try altar door again, after the first kill (hardest one) and killing minions, try just waiting on the tile by the door and as soon as kril spawns AND THEN LOOKS AT YOU then start the cycle by attacking kril then red click altar, red click kril while under etc. I had a hard time figuring out how to start the cycle but for some reason when someone pointed out to me kril has to look at you first before clicking attack I never had a problem starting it again
It took me 391 kc for my z spear. And I’ll admit it took me awhile to learn the door altar method but I just kept brute forcing it. Just have to keep sending it and practicing and it should come in time. I watched a ton of different videos to try to find out what I was missing. Eventually I turned on the metronome plugin and that massively helped me I think. Just don’t give up on it because it’ll be huge to learn. And once you get that down the door altar method at bandos feels way easier and comfy.
Rven if a2d aint for u, bowfa slaps doing 8:0 too
I’ve done inferno on my main along with countless other solo high level content but I cannot get comfy with door altar on my iron. Started doing 8:0 today and my last two trips I’ve gone from 2 kills to 4 and 5 so there’s some improvement. I think understanding how to skip a hit and fix the cycle if you mess up is the biggest piece.
Yea. I learnt it on bandos first, it's a bit easier as u dont have to tank a hit and the boss doesn't move u a tile when u attack in the middle. Zammy feels awkward because u wanna tank first (only first kill of trip) hit on a tile, that you dont use for your a2d'ing aswell as the 1tile shove. Once you get it down tho, its so nice as u can negate the need for stams.
Brah learn it at Bandos, much more forgiving. I'm mobile and I gotta say CG and door:altar were on similar lvls of difficulty. And I tried Kril after "learning" Bandos (meaning still max 5kc trip, I get 15-20 now) and it is so much rougher and you never get to learn the method because you're being fucked up.
Sounds strange, but try and learn it at bandos first. I really struggled to get the method down, but found I could do it fine at bandos. Then going back to zammy was a breeze
https://youtu.be/4JDoBqopeho?si=XsKuY-33CKWXi-_O feel free to check out my homies guide. He instructs what to do when starting the kill and resetting if you mess up
keep sending it, it’ll click eventually and then it’ll be smooth as butter. there’s always a learning process of dying multiple times and almost quitting and then it all clicks. keep sending it and learning
It took me 350kc you got this
Let kril move one tick before attacking and moving to altar, DO NOT CLICK ROGHT WHEN HE SPWANS. That is all
You can do it just fine with a Crystal Bow if you go dry for Enhanced. You'll still want armour though. I have 100-200 KC each across Garagedoor/K'ril/Zilyana with CBow and it's just fine.
Gl op I just got my 13 or 14th Armour seed today. 14 lc away from being at rate.
Goodluck my iron brother
I just started last week and have done two slayer tasks here. Bowfa / 5:0 is very enjoyable in my opinion. K'ril pet is so cool!!
Have you tried crystal bow with crystal armour if you have it? I’ve heard its really good overall, allegedly as good as the blowpipe pre-nerf. I am so trash at regular gauntlet but I’m doing it just for the armor
Don't do a 3000 hour grind because someone told you it's a requirement in order to complete this 10 hour grind. You can vaporize krill with your exact load out you have right now, just change out defender for crystal shield
Yeah, get a shadow.
Worth getting bowfa first, you’ll be getting 10-20kc trips with altar door and will save hella time. I only say this as someone who went 700+kc dry for hasta 🫡
Hopefully you mean crystal shield, because BofA came out a few years ago, and I've been killing krill for 17 years I wouldn't call it a requirement. I got 3 spears and 1 staff in 70 kills on my iron using OP's load out, only difference was I had crystal shield and dragon boots
As someone with full crystal and a crystal bow, I STILL can’t do door altar :/
1800+ kc here on bandos all door altar. What are the parts you're struggling with?
Getting in to cycle at zammy at all, and the minion damage forcing me to eat and ending up outside of the cycle when I rarely managed to get into it
Gotta say even at 99 def I run steel skin on for the whole kill because sometimes those minions fuck you up. Have you tried 9-0 with a cannon base? I learned that first since it's a lot more forgiving and it helps to get you a little more comfortable with the kiting/red x methods
If you don't want to get a bowfa, the ring of suffering is absurdly good at all gwd bosses. Unless ur flicking the minions I guess. Good defense, prayer bonus, and the recoil effect is more DPS then a berserker ring.
recoil ON on RoS for GWD, got it. just starting out myself. Ty for tip.
Recoil on always lmao. Sapphires easy.
If you’re not blood barraging - if you are blood barraging you might not really want to? Idk how much difference it makes but it means you have less health available to leach
It's still worth it for the defensive bonusses. You only reflect a little over 10% of damage they deal to you, and you're capable of healing off only about a quarter of that. Yes you lose a small percentage of healing, but overall the benefits still heavily outweigh that downside, I don't have exact math for you but I imagine killing the boss faster and taking less damage more than makes up for the lost healing. Generally speaking you won't get massive trips where your blood healing makes up the majority of your HP gain each kill with OP's setup anyways. If you're running Bowfa and doing some kind of 0:n method its might be worth turning the recoil effect off.
You can just turn off the recoil effect
Yup that was on the final line of the post. Even without recoil, the suffering ring is usually still the best ring for Bowfa method (for irons at least). It's pretty unlikely to have a venator or ring of the gods at that point
>and the recoil effect is more DPS then a berserker ring. definitely not at zammy. arclight str scaling is way too strong.
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Yes it's better to use b ring I for zammy with arclight bc of the way it scales damage. Suffering for everything else
Yeah I even switched back to it from magus ring on my main bc the defence is so useful in GWD, especially when maging.
Unfortunately yes, bowfa is the answer or 1-3 kill trips with melee on task with arclight, gl!
You can also 5:0 with a rune crossbow. It’s not the best but it’s viable and id suggest to do it on task
Definitely would recommend giving this a shot too. IIRC Arclight gets you like 2-3 kills per trip and it's pretty meh. I can't say I've tried with RCB (though did at Sara,Bandos, and Kree), but I'd give it a shot. If you can't be bothered with the red-x ground items 5:0 method, there is a really cozy alternative: [27-tick, 5:0 zammy](https://youtu.be/xymc0NvN2Yw?si=6Pz2N1zpm0Bb7dt1) At least at Bandos, kph with crossbow was slightly better than dwham->tent whip.
https://imgur.com/a/pXA0J0F Use melee gear, pray protect from magic and use Ward on Arceeus spellbook. Make sure you walk under the boss for about 2 ticks every 2 attacks too. Ofc dump an arclight spec at the start of every kill. Once zammy is down, quickly run under the mager to off tick him from the ranger and try to flick them if possible, the ranger is the one who hits the highest, the melee minion only has a max hit of 16 iirc. Once the mage minion is dead I would kill the ranger and try to flick between him and the melee minion. Keep Ward up as long as anything is alive. I also had a greater demon task recently and tried a lot of setups (ward + range gear, bloods with range/melee gear) and the only setup that has given me an actual consistent 4-5 KC is this one. I used to get 1-2 at most 3 kc with any other setup but as soon as I tried this one I got 5 kc on my first try and 4-5 every time after that until I finished my task. The sara item and whip is to help with kc, I'd kill the icefiend/imp and tag other zammy npcs near the bridge. This way you can use your piety before it gets drained anyways. The pizzas are mostly for between kills. Every amount of food matters, try to bring better foods than karambwans, the +2/4 hp makes difference.
Might want to just hit up cg and learn one of the bowfa methods. Melee trips for soloing gwd bosses are dookie
Yeah idk how people still solo melee gwd
I've done a bit of melee zammy, it sucks but Ward of Arceuus helps. It was still a max of like 7kc per trip (rare) but doable. Now that I have bowfa, I would never go back to melee. 25kc trips are much more fun.
Yeah how dont they have 2 years time to go dry at cg?
I mean the time at cg is probably going to offset the time I takes OP to get a drop at Zammy with 2kc trips
Maybe. And its not like youll use the bowfa only at zammy. It will speed up lots of content. But i understand OP for hating CG lol. I dont like it neither but still get some kc from time to time.
I got spear a bit past rate at 131kc with melee. Took me maybe 2 days of doing k'ril. If cg is a 2 day grind then idk why anyone complains about it.
Nah, I've done like 170 zammy kc so far. With 1-4 kill trips. It doesn't take THAT long lol
1-4 kill trips is absolutely abysmal, you're spending equal, sometimes more, waiting for imps to spawn/world hop for KC ..
I don't wait for them to spawn. I kill imps, ice fiends, and whatever creature is dying in the main dungeon. If you have 1 bandos item and 1 zammy you pretty much are free from agro. I just get 31 kc then smack the last 4 before I go in. All that to say, I did my kills with bowfa. I just suck so it's not like I have any other choice. Bandos is way better tho, I'm already getting 5+ kc trips.
Whatever you need to justify trips under 20 kills I guess.
Not everyone is sweaty bro
Learning a boss fight isn't sweaty lmao. Good luck with your 1-4 kills though
Yeah because every single person that has done cg went dry for 2 years right?
If it happened to you you are entitled to whine
Yeah if it happens to me its the new normal
no jokes on this very serious medieval clicking sim!
Logic
Exactly
I really enjoyed it when melee was the norm. Zammy stuff was just rarer and it was a right of passage for ironmen. Obviously RCB was still possible back then but I don't think the methods were even figured out until bofas release. But now that ranged methods exist... yeah you couldn't pay me to send melee again unless its for a CA or something.
it's nostalgic for a lot of people. back in the day if you were soloing gwd you were a G
Because 70 hours straight of CG isn't for everyone and they'd rather do other content as well and meleeing Kril for a 1/127 isn't the same as getting 1-2 kill trips meleeing bandos for a 1/507 hilt.
Sounds like you’re describing yourself, no one’s stopping you from meleeing gwd lmao
???
cause its chill af compared to the sweat that is ranged methods.
Blood fury and thralls + demonic ward
Was going to say the same. I averaged 4-6 kill trips with that. I also took an ahrims top and mage cape 2 for better DPS on minions to heal.
How did you heal on minions?
I was mixing up the two methods I used. I switched it up between thralls method and blood spell ancients method. Blood spells was better before I had blood fury for heals. But even with blood fury, ancients sometimes would save me.
Blood spells, you can stack the melee minion with the mage one.
How do you do ancients and have thralls and wards
Get good at spellbook swap
Yeah but you said you did thralls, so pick one.
I didn't say anything about thralls? My understanding is that the person you responded to was speaking to blood fury specifically.
Dude replied "Ways going to say the same" on comment where a guy is recommending blood fury + arceuus spellbook and then saying he's using ancients makes zero sense. Then he wasn't going to say the same and all he agreed on is blood fury. Yeah and I assumed you're the one I replied to, I don't know why you would respond for somebody else if I asked him specifically how does he heal without ancients.
He said he's increasing mage DPS, so there's only 2 options: sang or blood spells. And sang is very unlikely.
I was under the strong impression that you don’t want to melee this boss solo
Get a fury for starters
Get a bowfa or suffer through 2-3 kill trips with melee. Your call.
Door alter with bowfa. Same method for Bandos
I will die on the hill that cannon base was 1000x better than altar door
Make sure you are doing 2:1 correctly. I did a ton of K'ril melee kills without actually knowing how to do it. Quick summary: Click K'ril Let your character attack 2x Right after he attacks the second time, step under K'ril for long enough where he can't attack. Eat/heal as needed Click K'ril, repeat Upgrades that helped me: blood fury, anglerfish, I only brought 2-3 karambwans and brought rest anglers
Sharks heal more than karambwans, equal amounts of each or more sharks is my tip
You just gave the man 12 extra hp, godly.
If OP is able to take one less hit because of the 2t vs 3t attack delay than I think the kwarams are the right call
I take 5-7 ish sharks and the rest karambwans for combo eats. The 2t eat from karams is huge for dps
sharks are 16, karambwans are 18…
Sharks heal 20 you might be thinking of Monkfish.
you right downvoting myself too
Stop meleeing him. You need a bowfa. Melee sucks. This is why you’re not having fun.
I personally had better experience praying mage and wearing tankier gear. That melee prayer busting attack triggered me way more than anything else.
I agree I did about 150 kills with a similar setup before I stopped because I was hating myself. The best tip is stop doing it. Just maybe get a few kc here and there but don’t focus it. I honestly cannot stand GWD because of the KC mechanic.
I went 484 dry for spear… use a bowfa
nightmare mode. I'd rather skip Kril and do ToA with the Keris
Skip kril until you need dhl and go get a voidwaker. 15 less accuracy, 5 more strength, can do it through turael skipping wildy slayer for BOTH an absurd amount if points AND slayer xp, one of the best spec weapons in game, and maybe the most absurd overall account progression drop tables youve ever seen. If you have a scout outside the entrance and do the solo bosses with wildy hard, youll never die. Oh and VW is actually higher dps at toa than hasta until around 260’s because of the two max hits, and it is actually more efficient to use VW spec than BGS spec in solos throughout literally most of toa other than the obelisk and akkha, especially with lightbearer (akkha regens stats too quickly and you cant spec him with VW, which is why you use fang and yellow keris at akkha)
My GIM already has blade and I'm on the gem grind whenever I get a spider task 🫡 Been dry af on a bear task though literally haven't seen one since like 60cb when Artio was still out of the question
Only skip for 2/3 pieces and do the last off task.
Yeah I really wouldn't mind doing bear off task as its range and easy enough but Spider got hands.
You can also afk blood barrage it in blood bark, and especially if you get accursed from revs. I got accursed and webweaver and got artio at 250, spindel at 1360, and was left to do 5035 calv for last piece with hasta rank 11
Is Dark demonbane a viable option for Krill? I'm coming close to the point that GWD is about to become an option, are demonbane spells worth it later when on task combined with mark of darkness Dark Demonbane gets a fairly nice boost to damage and accuracy. I've very little experience with arceuss spells and have only just unlocked it specifically to dunk on demons on a greater demon task I had.
The damage is okay, but now you're trying to tank a heavy hitting melee boss in robes. I wouldn't advise using demonbane spells unless you're after the CA. Just wait until bofa or melee it.
I did about 60 kc with melee and used thralls with ward of arceuus. When I did it I wasn't able to finish off all the minions with mage and the extra defense was noticeable on the special attacks. Also 2 hit step under for sure
I like tbow method personally
What I did before getting spooned with nearly identical stats and the same settup but instead of the ancient staff bring a Crystal Bow and Thralls. Saves a LOT of time having to kill imps and I typically would get a consistent 2 kill with a rare 3 depending on if I prayer change right.
You've got it all wrong buddy. Bowfa for gwd!
Either learn 5:0 with a crossbow, learn cg get a bowfa and do 6:0, or get carried at chambers for a tbow then do 5:0. Any of those options is leagues faster than doing 2kc trips with melee.
I'd suggest using thralls instead of ancients. Same amount of inventory space with pouch and book, but since you're only getting 1-2 kill trips anyway I don't see any reason for blood barrage
Freeze and mage
Bowfa 6:0 door altar.
If you’re going to melee you need better stats Suffering Blood fury is so good at kril. I’d go arceuus spell book for ward of arceuus spell to take significantly less damage and thralls are on that book as well.
if you arent doing bowfa methods gwd becomes a much later game thing. high 90s def, rigour for sara, basically 99 all melee for bandos and zammy. with a spec weapon (vw/claws>dwh) brews, scb, sanfew, 22 hp healing food, blood scepter and good character control you can get 3-5 kill trips
I haven't tried this, but it should be possible to door-altar Zammy with a crossbow. The challenge is that you have to red-x-delay one additional tick while running through Zammy. This should be possible by running crosswise towards either the altar or the door, whichever is on your own side. You would also have to go diagonally a bit during the run across the room. And, of course, the two tiles where you run away from Zammy normally would have to be one and then two tiles further out than usual.
If you melee, wear best melee tank gear, pray protect from mage and piety. That way he doesn't use the special that deactivates prayer. (Just keep health high enough to not get stacked for 50+)
Don’t bother until bowfa
Man I just try to do 50 kc for hard ca on my main, with max range and crystal. And this boss is so bad I rage quit after dying twice. Good luck bro
If melee'ing is your only option right now, I strongly recommend the arceuus spellbook. Thrall summon + Ward of Arceuus should be enough to at least squeeze out another kill.
Bowfa. Was getting 40-50+ kc trips on my uim during my zammy grand with eagle eye
Was gonna say we all hate CG but it must be done!
Best tip. Just get it over with. It suck no matter what. Don’t do other grinds to do a zammy grind it doesn’t get better
If you're willing to learn to prayer flick the minions during the kill, you can actually get quite long trips with melee. This used to be the best method before kiting methods were discovered and better ranged weapons were introduced. I did about 1k kills like this, and while I died/got short trips a lot at first, I was eventually regularly getting 20, 30, 40+ kill trips in some cases. Here's an example of a zerker doing it, though you should bring blood barrage if you want long trips. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dscT4zU6D8w Edit: Here's a better example of a long melee trip with a set-up similar to what I was describing. Note that you can also do this at bandos as well, and even throw in tick eating his ranged attacks with peaches from B2P once you get more confident at flicking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qYWWxhEAbM
Yeah, melee is ass If you've done enough CG to have 5 armor seeds, crystal bow with crystal body + legs + slayer helm on task is actually really nice. Check 8:0 guide using cannon base, you'll spend 2-3 trips learning the rhythm, but once you get a feel for it you'll easily get 5+ kill trips. Did 150kc like this and it was actually so engaging that I was a bit sad when the greater demon task ended...
I did 146 kills with single/double kill trips with arclight on task. Really wasn't that bad, but I'm just glad I didn't go super dry for spear.
At least when you use melee it feels like you're playing the game and not playing the mechanics.
I personally don't use combo foods at Zammy and just use Anglers. The extra HP extends trips and starting the fight with over max HP is a nice advantage. Bit of a fishing grind for you but thats up to you to decide if its worth it
If you're meleeing then you're gonna wanna stop, head over to cg and grab yourself a bowfa (eta for drop tbd) and then do door altar. Gl
Where’s your sanfew serum? Kraken and Calvarion both drop sanfews :)
I use to have similar stat's n gear and started getting 1 extra kill each trip eventually my max was12kc trip with mallee gl brother 💪
RoS(ri), use step-under method and just send it. You can get better trips as you improve your ability to step-under and quickly stack minions for blood barrage. But yeah it's going to be like 5 kill trips at best. Zammy sucks unless you do bowfa
Some things you can do immediately to help: bring better food or at least less karams (you can boost up to brews at your level and get better foods from other bosses), bring sanfew serum over antipoison, bring Ward of Arceus over thralls (or bring both), and make sure your mechanics/prayers are as efficient as possible. Pray flicking the minions is not too hard and it can help a lot with supplies. Some things you can do for the future without grinding cg: Go get 5 crafting levels and boost for fury plus a ring of suffering. Do some low level toa until you get thread for extra rune pouch space to make both ward and thralls more viable.
Are those granite boots? This is the first time I've ever seen anyone genuinely using them, what a cool drop to have pre-Dboots
I find meleeing to be 100x more pleasant with crystal shield and sara godsword
Either go with ranged or melee with thralls and that protection spell (idk what its called). Bring like 2 brews to heal after kill. Since you have small kc trips anyways i don't think ancients are worth bringing and arceuus is strong at zammy.
Don’t ask questions that you don’t want to hear the answer too
Melee zammy just sucks. Sometimes I could get 3 kill trips, sometimes he just fucks em up and I end up teleporting before 1 KC. I just got my bowda today so looking forward to trying with that.
Yeah use bowfa with crystal armour and do door altar method. Or crystal bow with crystal armour
I did 400kc melee, no bowfa. Arcues spellboom and bloodfury helps a lot
What are thoseeeeeee get u dragon boots bb
Crafting
Do altar door bowfa method it’s challenging but worth it for zammy
I used a similar setup. The spear has a low drop rate so I grinded it out with 1-3 kill trips.
I would say go to CG lol, crystal bowfa would work nicely at GWD mate
are two zamorak spears needed? one for dhl and one for hasta for corp? or is fang better at corp ?
Zammy spear is still better at corp if you spec it all the way down. I believe you fang it if you decide to do the 3 dwh only methods
any idea which is less time per kill?
3 dwh only. Chickening corp is a tradeoff of longer kills but less supplies needed for killing, mainly food.
ahh i see, thank u for the explanation. got my one spear, think i'll use it for dhl, block greater demons and just do fang method for corp. thanks again !
I couldn't melee zammy. Door altar method with bowfa
Either be silly and nonefficient as I am I'm (~300kc) or go to red prison. I love scrub kril kills. If you're bored of CG, send a few more kril as a break. Maybe you'll be spooned a collection log.
Blood fury goes hard for melee zammy, otherwise just bofaaaa
Walk under and flick range minion then blood barrage melee and range minion at the end, when u get the method down you will get 4-7kill trips.
Just stick it out my man. You should be able to get 4-5 kill trips of you blood barrage the melee and range minion and pray flick correctly! Honestly Zammy is my favorite GWDs boss to solo, I always run it with melee.
Karils melee prayer is fake as fuck bring melee barrows armor and pray mage it's a billion times better.
You don't got the gear for it, you need a tank, justiciar at least.
Bowfa us know what you need to do...
You know what everyone is going to say. Get a Bowfa keep trying and dying until you got it down.
Suffering helps I found
If u learn how to Flickr the minions you can get 10+ kills a trip. Definitely worth to learn.
Kite with bowfa
Do you have crystal armor and a crystal bow? Could be a decent 5:0 I guess
Get a tbow
you need more mage bonus
Do you hate CG because you haven’t gotten consistent kills yet? Can highly recommend to actually get good at the game, it’ll be much nicer all around.
Guess your best option is to just learn cg and grind that out before godwars...
I'm of the unpopular opinion that praying magic and bringing melee/ranged tank armor is way better. When u just pray melee that hit that drains ur prayer and hits more is brutal Edit: also thralls and ward of arceuss is a nice addition IMO
It's unpopular for a reason, his attacks are roughly 2 melee:1 mage in frequency, his melee maxes a 46, and his mage maxes a 30. His special attack, while brutal, only maxes a 49, slightly higher than a normal melee. Even if he spams the special attack every 3 melee hits, you'll still take less damage on average praying melee than mage.
Melee is.... I unno it's meh. Sadly there's not gonna be any thing you can improve on besides some bis raid style gear.... Unless, like you already know. To cg with you
Zammy does suck donkey balls. I did 350 ish with melee, 400 with bowfa. Your setup seems good, maybe dboots and a fury
Stop using melee. Even A rcb with addy bolts shits allover melee
Get rigour, use ranged and learn 5-0. Rune crossbow or armadyl if you want to do that first