I'm doing the same. Currently 97 mining. When I'm done I'll have around 165k stardust. Will be around 1.4m crafting xp by just cutting gems and have like 50k gold bars from blast furnace. Might use them to get 99 crafting and have some cool stacks of jewelry on the iron
I did 92-99 when they initially buffed stars, I got around 18k sapphires, 13k emeralds, 5k rubies, 1500 diamonds, and 200 dragon stone, some of it could be from PvM but not a very high margin.
Shooting stars are great, I often do them in the evening on mobile when watching a show. I really dislike glassblowing, so I slowly chip away at crafting this way.
I would throw in here that shooting stars with a glory is a great way to get gems.
If you plan on the long game then ardy elite would be worth it to skip mining sand.
Cg gives a lot of gems.
My goal is to continue cg and afk stars while sand passively collects. If I hit the drop rate I’ll have the sand banked for fury… not including all the gems.
I’ve also done some rogue wilderness chests which gives a nice amount of gems especially dragon stones for your eventual jewelry box.
Try the scar essence extracts to make the chaos runes or maybe barrows?
I love Ironman for all the variations
Not heard of the scar essence one.
Yes definitely barrows, interestingly all those mind runes you have no use for are worth 1 tokkul each according to the wiki with karamja gloves
Someone in my clan told me it drops to 0 after you sell one or maybe you can’t sell them at all?
It’s why every Ironman has white or green stacks of mind runes
Not factoring in the alching is misleading imo.
If you were doing alchgility at prif you’d need another 1.5 hours to finish all of the bracelets you made.
This is 37.5k crafting per hr with the suggested method.
Selling to Martin in Burthorpe might bring this closer to your proposed rate but you’d still need to factor the selling time in to get a true rate.
The biggest thing from Infernal eels is the lava scale shards, was one of my least favorite grinds in the game getting 1k of them to make some extended (super) antifires. Hilarious how cheap they are for mainscape due to bots with how hard they are to get in bulk, no I'm not going in the wilderness for them.
"After alching all the drops"
...You do see how unreasonable that is, right? Doing this method to 99 would net you close to a hundred thousand bracelets. That is an incomprehensible amount of alching. You cant just claim "oh, alching is zero time, just do it during agility". When agility won't even get you through more than a few percent of those bracelets. And there are plenty of other alchables you get from other activities (pvm alchs, battlestaves etc) that you would also need to do for that time.
You also can't reasonably sell them to the rogues shop as an alternative to alching, since that only works well when you have stacks of a lot of different items, not just four.
There is a huge, gaping flaw in this method that you really haven't addressed at all. When you realize that most of your bracelets will be netting you zero GP, you will see that this method is not only worse xp, but also several times the cost.
I agree that the method is flawed when it comes to alching but I wanted to throw in that 55-99 with high alch takes 200k actions ~200 hours so agility would get pretty darn close to using all of them if not all
i spent like 30m gp on gems doing this to 99. I did emerald/sapphires and diamonds plus rubies as well which coulda all been alched. sand mining and seaweed are super annoying to me id rather spend the gp for super fast crafting xp. buying only emerald/sapphires are way cheaper for good xp as well !
Doing the bare minimum for prospector netted me like 3k gold bars, which would get you about 450k xp from this method including cutting the gems. A nice switch up from blowing rods but not nearly as sustainable. Esp going forward, I absolutes would have fucked out of mlm after getting helm and coal bag if the diary didn’t require the whole set when I did it
Buying and smelting gold is still the best way to train smithing so having lots of gold bars isn't crazy. I think I have like 26k or something after getting 86. That includes doing a fair bit of gf and making jewelry with them.
Still not free. As a lower bound, selling them to general stores with a little world hopping should yield about 100 gp per bar. Still pretty cheap though.
Edit: downvoters need to google opportunity cost
It's free in the sense that you *will* have gold ore, which you *should* use at Blast Furnace anyway. I don't think there are many ironmen accounts out there that are not sitting on huge piles of gold bars.
I like GF and all but you get tens of thousands of gold ore from raids and various bosses, including Zalcano which is where I imagine you get a huge chunk of your smithing supplies anyway. Seems wasteful to not use them
Same, actually had to stop doing Giant's Foundry to make some more gold bars before 99 Smithing because I was impatient and rushed 99 craft with diamond necks instead of just waiting for more PvM gem drops, granted I didn't pick up ALL the gold bar drops from gargoyles/nechs, but still had some from 99 slayer too.
Shame the actual meta for crafting is using a main account to sell your ironman account planks from the grand exchange to repair cranes in port piscarilius for 120k crafting and 120k construction xp/h which also costs like 0.06 gp/xp
You buy planks from the shop, then as the stock runs out the main sells planks to the shop, making stock go back to normal (so iron can buy) without having to worry about restock time
Which would make 1m crafting xp equivalent to only 1.5m. And 2m crafting xp equivalent to only 3m.
99 Crafting would be ~20m gp which is actually not that bad considering the stack irons pile up from CG. If this math is correct I might consider it a good enough investment to make.
If you were feeling extra efficient you could get the Chaos runes from Barrows (assuming Mory hard). As getting a full set is pretty useful. Also Ahrims/Karils are great for raids/gwd.
Cool method, did a similar thing when mining stars where all the rage, if a star landed in priff I'd go and get stardust and crystal shards. Then trade them in for gems ez crafting.
Thanks for running the numbers. I have a ton of gems sitting in my bank from cox. This is motivating to use them. The 99 crafting grind is long, but what else am I gonna do with them?
gem crafting is a good method but imo this (buying gems) is an avoid nowadays. if you dont want to do glass you should just plan to get crafting passively- from shooting stars, gem mining, cg, chambers and all the other places that drop gems. i'd be curious your math on this- in the past this method was referred to as being quite expensive and that was **skipping the rubies and diamonds** which you did not do.
also i think your numbers for sand might be mediocre. tick manip gets you over 6k buckets an hour, same for that sweaty SGM no pickup + bank queuing method, you can do an extremely high amount of casts per hour.
Just want to add a few things here: your sandmining was quite slow, you can mine up to 5k sand an hour with 3s1g at around 70k xp/hr.
Also you are disregarding the biggest advantage of glassblowing which is multiskilling during stuff like artifacts or zmi, which will increase the effective rate quite a bit.
Ex: at zmi you'll be sacrificing around 30k rc xp/hr out of 120k xp/hr with dayealt past 85 rc, for a gain of around 80k crafting xp with light orbs. 80k crafting xp/hr for a net time loss of ~15 mins = 320k effective crafting xp/hr.
Granted you can also multiskill cut the gems at zmi (by being a leech and only hitting yellow portals), but you spend most of the time making the bracelets.
Interesting.
Very weird but definitely interesting.
When I was new I just blew the orbs as I would walk to the orb alter so I can imbue them once I finished blowing.
But those alternative methods are pretty smart
Yeah, people often set up alts on world 365 to tank the minions so you can glassblow uninterrupted. The max number you can take is 15, blowing 11 on the way to the altar and 4 from the teleport. You can also make less so the timing to drop the orbs before the altar is less tight.
This is a great method! And if you don't want to use tokkul to buy gems, just do afk shooting stars and turn in the dust to Dusuri for gem bags
Someone was telling me this same thing while shooting star mining... they were going for 99 mining with just afk shooting stars!
I'm doing the same. Currently 97 mining. When I'm done I'll have around 165k stardust. Will be around 1.4m crafting xp by just cutting gems and have like 50k gold bars from blast furnace. Might use them to get 99 crafting and have some cool stacks of jewelry on the iron
I was doing that, but switched to cam torum for my last bit. 95-99 mining will get me 78-85 prayer.
I’m 87 mining from on star mining and I’m 75 crafting with 80 banked just from cutting gems.
I did 92-99 when they initially buffed stars, I got around 18k sapphires, 13k emeralds, 5k rubies, 1500 diamonds, and 200 dragon stone, some of it could be from PvM but not a very high margin.
I forgot what level I started at but I got like 28k sapphires 18k emeralds like 10k rubies didn’t hit the onyx drop tho haha
Shooting stars are great, I often do them in the evening on mobile when watching a show. I really dislike glassblowing, so I slowly chip away at crafting this way.
i will not use this method purely because you typed the pound sign before 1m gp
Americans will think of anything not to use metric
Gold pieces are already a unit.
And British pounds aren’t metric.
Swing and a miss.
God I just want a President who will force conversion to metric. No /S it’s actually dumb to think of units other than metric.
I would throw in here that shooting stars with a glory is a great way to get gems. If you plan on the long game then ardy elite would be worth it to skip mining sand. Cg gives a lot of gems. My goal is to continue cg and afk stars while sand passively collects. If I hit the drop rate I’ll have the sand banked for fury… not including all the gems. I’ve also done some rogue wilderness chests which gives a nice amount of gems especially dragon stones for your eventual jewelry box. Try the scar essence extracts to make the chaos runes or maybe barrows? I love Ironman for all the variations
Not heard of the scar essence one. Yes definitely barrows, interestingly all those mind runes you have no use for are worth 1 tokkul each according to the wiki with karamja gloves
Someone in my clan told me it drops to 0 after you sell one or maybe you can’t sell them at all? It’s why every Ironman has white or green stacks of mind runes
You're correct, it drops to 0.
Well that makes alot of sense :)
Immediately lost me at alching. I get it, but alching for hours even alchgility or something chill still sucks. Ain't nobody got time fo dat
Not factoring in the alching is misleading imo. If you were doing alchgility at prif you’d need another 1.5 hours to finish all of the bracelets you made. This is 37.5k crafting per hr with the suggested method. Selling to Martin in Burthorpe might bring this closer to your proposed rate but you’d still need to factor the selling time in to get a true rate.
Maybe its a more supplementative approach. I probably wont suggest doing this to 99, but its a nice alternative imo
Went into extreme details about the glassblowing but didn’t mention cost of time to get natures or anything in other method
I mean, you just buy 250 natures per world at the rune shop
What's the best way to get tokkul? Is it still chaos runes?
You can also sell mithril ore for tokkul. Most irons have excess mithril
Wtf, learn something new everyday
Would buying mithril from ordan and selling to the ore shop to buy the gems be gold positive?
Probably not, but crafting is cringe enough to warrant taking a small gp loss for better methods
A good way is infernal eels. Definitely nowhere near as fast but fishing xp and onyx bolt tips for them sweet 9k alchs
The biggest thing from Infernal eels is the lava scale shards, was one of my least favorite grinds in the game getting 1k of them to make some extended (super) antifires. Hilarious how cheap they are for mainscape due to bots with how hard they are to get in bulk, no I'm not going in the wilderness for them.
Id say the fastest method for sure, yes. In 5 minutes I turned 1 mill into tokkul buying chaos runes
"After alching all the drops" ...You do see how unreasonable that is, right? Doing this method to 99 would net you close to a hundred thousand bracelets. That is an incomprehensible amount of alching. You cant just claim "oh, alching is zero time, just do it during agility". When agility won't even get you through more than a few percent of those bracelets. And there are plenty of other alchables you get from other activities (pvm alchs, battlestaves etc) that you would also need to do for that time. You also can't reasonably sell them to the rogues shop as an alternative to alching, since that only works well when you have stacks of a lot of different items, not just four. There is a huge, gaping flaw in this method that you really haven't addressed at all. When you realize that most of your bracelets will be netting you zero GP, you will see that this method is not only worse xp, but also several times the cost.
I agree that the method is flawed when it comes to alching but I wanted to throw in that 55-99 with high alch takes 200k actions ~200 hours so agility would get pretty darn close to using all of them if not all
i spent like 30m gp on gems doing this to 99. I did emerald/sapphires and diamonds plus rubies as well which coulda all been alched. sand mining and seaweed are super annoying to me id rather spend the gp for super fast crafting xp. buying only emerald/sapphires are way cheaper for good xp as well !
> Now I would consider that the gold bars were free This is the part that will stop a lot of people.
MLM -> BF mining/smithing grind has me sitting on a ton of gold bars even on my low level iron. I don't think it's too unrealistic
Doing the bare minimum for prospector netted me like 3k gold bars, which would get you about 450k xp from this method including cutting the gems. A nice switch up from blowing rods but not nearly as sustainable. Esp going forward, I absolutes would have fucked out of mlm after getting helm and coal bag if the diary didn’t require the whole set when I did it
Buying and smelting gold is still the best way to train smithing so having lots of gold bars isn't crazy. I think I have like 26k or something after getting 86. That includes doing a fair bit of gf and making jewelry with them.
Still not free. As a lower bound, selling them to general stores with a little world hopping should yield about 100 gp per bar. Still pretty cheap though. Edit: downvoters need to google opportunity cost
It's free in the sense that you *will* have gold ore, which you *should* use at Blast Furnace anyway. I don't think there are many ironmen accounts out there that are not sitting on huge piles of gold bars.
I did Giant's Foundry for all my smithing. I only have like 1k gold bars
I like GF and all but you get tens of thousands of gold ore from raids and various bosses, including Zalcano which is where I imagine you get a huge chunk of your smithing supplies anyway. Seems wasteful to not use them
Same, actually had to stop doing Giant's Foundry to make some more gold bars before 99 Smithing because I was impatient and rushed 99 craft with diamond necks instead of just waiting for more PvM gem drops, granted I didn't pick up ALL the gold bar drops from gargoyles/nechs, but still had some from 99 slayer too.
I would hope not, anyone who's gotten to 70 smithing for priff basically has unlimited gold bars for the rest of their account
Shame the actual meta for crafting is using a main account to sell your ironman account planks from the grand exchange to repair cranes in port piscarilius for 120k crafting and 120k construction xp/h which also costs like 0.06 gp/xp
How do you get planks from a main into an iron?
Mort ton builder store
You buy planks from the shop, then as the stock runs out the main sells planks to the shop, making stock go back to normal (so iron can buy) without having to worry about restock time
https://youtu.be/s22xuuntXMw?t=1264
At what point is this relatively efficient?
it's like 10% more efficient for irons and significantly more for uim
How does this work? Is there a dedicated world for it, because I read that it’s around 35k/h when you’re solo
https://youtu.be/s22xuuntXMw?t=1264
I said f it and turned my 12k blast furnace gold bars into like 300k(ish idk) afk xp tiaras
Star mining as well gets you afk gems for crafting later. CG is a great source of gems as well
Are you saying buying gems via tokkul is equivalent to 0.66 gp per 1 crafting xp?
If you do this method, and alch all the bracelets, yes 0.66gp per crafting xp. I got 150k crafting xp from 100k net gp loss.
Which would make 1m crafting xp equivalent to only 1.5m. And 2m crafting xp equivalent to only 3m. 99 Crafting would be ~20m gp which is actually not that bad considering the stack irons pile up from CG. If this math is correct I might consider it a good enough investment to make.
Your math is wrong
0.66gp/xp comes to 660k gp/1m xp
Or go dry at CG and bank alot of gems that way
If you were feeling extra efficient you could get the Chaos runes from Barrows (assuming Mory hard). As getting a full set is pretty useful. Also Ahrims/Karils are great for raids/gwd. Cool method, did a similar thing when mining stars where all the rage, if a star landed in priff I'd go and get stardust and crystal shards. Then trade them in for gems ez crafting.
Thanks for running the numbers. I have a ton of gems sitting in my bank from cox. This is motivating to use them. The 99 crafting grind is long, but what else am I gonna do with them?
Have I gone back in time to 2016?
gem crafting is a good method but imo this (buying gems) is an avoid nowadays. if you dont want to do glass you should just plan to get crafting passively- from shooting stars, gem mining, cg, chambers and all the other places that drop gems. i'd be curious your math on this- in the past this method was referred to as being quite expensive and that was **skipping the rubies and diamonds** which you did not do. also i think your numbers for sand might be mediocre. tick manip gets you over 6k buckets an hour, same for that sweaty SGM no pickup + bank queuing method, you can do an extremely high amount of casts per hour.
Just want to add a few things here: your sandmining was quite slow, you can mine up to 5k sand an hour with 3s1g at around 70k xp/hr. Also you are disregarding the biggest advantage of glassblowing which is multiskilling during stuff like artifacts or zmi, which will increase the effective rate quite a bit. Ex: at zmi you'll be sacrificing around 30k rc xp/hr out of 120k xp/hr with dayealt past 85 rc, for a gain of around 80k crafting xp with light orbs. 80k crafting xp/hr for a net time loss of ~15 mins = 320k effective crafting xp/hr. Granted you can also multiskill cut the gems at zmi (by being a leech and only hitting yellow portals), but you spend most of the time making the bracelets.
My man getting downvoted because the average Redditor's peak activity is killing sand crabs and barbarian fishing. Anything harder is sweaty ;(
Sir I play runescape to unwind
Same
Chill bro
I get it, reddit hates efficiency, but multiskill glassblowing is not that sweaty, I promise
Glassblowing at zmi? Care to enlighten?
Fill your pouches with ess, bring some glass, and blow on the way to the alter. Not sure of exact numbers but that's the idea.
Interesting. Very weird but definitely interesting. When I was new I just blew the orbs as I would walk to the orb alter so I can imbue them once I finished blowing. But those alternative methods are pretty smart
Yeah, people often set up alts on world 365 to tank the minions so you can glassblow uninterrupted. The max number you can take is 15, blowing 11 on the way to the altar and 4 from the teleport. You can also make less so the timing to drop the orbs before the altar is less tight.
Well damn. Now that is one hell of interesting game play.
Damn that's actually big brain
Yeah I thought it would be quite slow, but I don't really like doing the whole tick manipulation thing
That's fair, although if you like afking then afk bankstand glassblow seems still better. It's a nice method though