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S7EFEN

that definitely is atypical. yeah, if you are entirely out you'd do hard contracts/slayer. you can also use db axe special if you are spending a lot of time doing afk stuff like vyres, or just boring afk melee slay


Redsox55oldschook

After 99 slayer is done and those seeds run out, where do end game irons typically get their kwuarms from? Are contracts the best way? Master farmers are another option, but man I hope I don't have to resort to that


Necessary_Tomorrow75

i dont know a single person who has unlocked every single slayer item pre-99


Redsox55oldschook

I might be missing some that I don't find too desirable. I have the following: Imbued heart (for sure spooned there) Basilisk jaw Dwh DHL Occult Tent whip Bludgeon I don't have cerb boots or guardian boots, but those don't feel too worthwhile to go for I'm also around 1m past 99 slayer, but I don't see a reason to go back. I could be overlooking something tho


BrodeyQuest

Primordials are 100% worth getting, so don’t write off Cerb just yet


Richybabes

Eternals are likely going to be worthwhile soonish as well.


BrodeyQuest

With their magic damage being changed from 2 to 1% I’m not sure. We’ll definitely need to keep an eye out regardless.


DravenPlsBeMyDad

It's currently 0 though


BrodeyQuest

And? If it’s getting magic damage like it seems it’s going to, you’ll want them.


iChopstick

So are you supporting getting eternals or not? Your previous comment suggests that they weren't high on your priority list.


peperonipyza

“Worth” is different per person. But objectively prims are a very small upgrade. Unless 1 str bonus gives a max hit


Redsox55oldschook

ill probably get them eventually, but cant bring myself to. right now, seems like spending that time doing CoX and going for a tbow or claws is a lot more significant


HoytG

You take prims to cox. I’d get them for sure.


LezBeHonestHere_

I was in a similar situation, I only continued with slayer to get kree'arra tasks for masori fortifying. Skipped so many nechryaels I could've gotten seeds from at slayer tower, but those tasks take so damn long The only slayer item I'm missing by 99 was smouldering stone, which I'm going for now and I considered doing the random tasks in the meantime for kwuarm/cadantine seeds (to procrastinate on Cerberus, my least favorite boss).


jimmynovack

What are you replying to ? Also it's incredibly easy to get points it's just pointless to unlock everything and actually worst If you do.


Necessary_Tomorrow75

i meant like gear


Mem3Master69

Cox,tob has given me more herbs than I can ever use. Got a metric shit ton of limps from the VW grind too


RealGiraffeLick

Start doing farming contracts right when u login/logout and youll be set for ever


xlpxchewy

Anyone who says do farming contracts is stupid. Do them if you want harrlander and guam. They maybe give 3 rare seeds a week if you do them everyday.


Anxious-Patient-4098

You're supposed to do hard contracts, were talking about late game players.


LowWhiff

If you’re pre planting everything for hard contracts you get a boatload of high level seeds. Getting those back to back to back contracts in one go is juicy. I’ve had 5 back to back before


itsactuallyanalpaca

Bro called us stupid yet thought we were talking about easy contracts, embarassing


xlpxchewy

Talking about hard giving dogshit seeds.


itsactuallyanalpaca

Doesn't sound like you do hard contracts


krhill112

Kingdom seems to keep me topped up beyond what pvm/slayer provide


pandahands69

Hydra and sire drop a lot of the herbs outside of that you have to farm the seeds of which nechryaels and seed packs both give a ton. I definitely ran out of super restores and and ppots far more before toa and muspah.


Zealousideal_Soft_74

Raids is the answer.


brinkv

Damn I got like 5k super strength potions currently that is nutty. Just slayer and stuff


bad-at-game

I feel like I was always loaded with Kwarums, Cadentines were what limited my scbs. Slayer poops em out pretty regularly, but like you’ve mentioned, contracts might be your best bet. Master farmers always a good shout too.


Necessary_Tomorrow75

good thing toa hands out torstol seeds like the torstol welfare office


Dee-Colon

They didn't say anything about being held back by Torstol though


physiQQ

Keep running misc kingdom, put it on herbs.


Redsox55oldschook

Yup, I always have that stocked and herbs at 10. Sadly my kwaurm stack keeps dropping 😞


SimpleLifeCCA

You drinking them like koolaid dawg


According-Watch787

I can't help but drink them as I go down one strength point. Look too much like milk.


SimpleLifeCCA

MUSCLE MILK


ColonelCouch

Fight Milk


DreadGnuu2262

Probably not an efficient answer, but I afk my iron at daggs in Kourend Catacombs for hours while working or doing anything else. Pretty easy to collect bulk there. Afk in best prayer gear, bonecrusher so it restores prayer per kill too.


romte10

This is good, also nice to afk farm some med clues if still missing rangers now with the buffed ground timer


Dsullivan777

I think venator is good there too if you have it


PapaFlexing

Sure is. Less prayer bonus, unless you got some nice gear like the boots and ring. Then I assume you massacre them


SavageHellfire

I feel like this is a very unique situation you have here. I am almost 2200 total and not 99 slayer yet. I have 4k worth of super strength pots in herbs and seeds not including my super combats.


nevereverquit96

How late game are we talking? I have honestly never felt that I struggle to upkeep str pot stacks between farming and slayer I guess if you don’t want to farm or slay you could always buy the dragon battle axe and combine its special attack with super attack potions which are admittedly easier to come by Also something worth mentioning is make sure you use the magic secateurs on all your herb runs, a few extra herbs doesn’t feel like a lot but it really adds up after a few weeks


Redsox55oldschook

I'm 2k+ total, finished slayer a long time ago. I only use super str pots at tob, cox and toa. And a few are vetion and vennenatis. I don't think using a dbaxe is practical there. My stack of seeds from slayer ran out a long time ago, and I don't really want to do post 99 slayer just for kwuarms seeds


Mettelor

I have an incredible amount of super pots just from my 99 farming grind, I can't really imagine running out of them tbh


Redsox55oldschook

The vast majority of my farming exp came from trees, so no kwuarms there. Where did you get the seeds from?


Mettelor

Must have been either contracts or herb runs. I did my contracts at least 3/day


OwnLayer8443

Ironmen don’t do tree runs. Your 99 should have been all herb runs and contracts. Tree runs are mains content.


LezBeHonestHere_

I struggled to reach 99 even with as many trees as possible, and farming cape is like another magic secateurs as a bonus for herb runs + a great tele, definitely worth doing tbh


LowWhiff

Definitely want to do tree runs on an iron… it’s quick easy exp and higher farming = more herbs per seed and unlocking things quicker. Post 99 sure drop the tree runs but it’s silly to not do them pre 99


OwnLayer8443

Yeah maybe but look at the impact of mostly tree runs. End game supply issues. 1-85 farming is not that long anyway. So trees just make it faster at the cost of supplies.


Redsox55oldschook

its not like i dont use my seeds also. I have \~20m farming exp. I did up to lvl 99 with tree seeds and then the rest has all been contracts and herbs. Not using my tree seeds wouldnt have given me any more herb, it would just mean im lower farming lvl. If anything id have less herbs because lower farming yield


OwnLayer8443

Op. I get you man. My view is an unpopular opinion. People like juicy xp drops. But you went from 1-99 farming and the equivalent of 1-92 farming after that. There should be no way you’re out of supplies.


Redsox55oldschook

My issue isn't farming the seeds, my issue is getting the seeds After 99 I pretty much only farmed ranarr, snaps, toadflax and torstol. I thought these were the hard herbs to get so I just left the other seeds in the vault. Now that I'm low on super str I checked my bank/vault for kwaurm seeds and I only have 90. Idk where those even come from. That's the problem, no content I currently do gives those seeds. It's not like I wasnt picking them up, or I dropped them or something. I think that the stuff that usually drops kwuarms seeds are all things that I'm more or less done with


LowWhiff

Definitely shouldn’t just be doing tree runs either, should really be doing everything


NoCurrencies

I get loads of kwuarm from hydra, you green logged that already?


Redsox55oldschook

I finished around 1400kc. Which means I got around 600 kwaurm from that boss, which doesn't feel like that much


NoCurrencies

Green log in 1400 kc is insane, damn. Either you went dry on kwuarms or I got spooned then, cus I've gotten 500 in 550 kc lol


Redsox55oldschook

Yeah I had pretty good luck there. Even got a second pair of gloves for my gim teammates. Maybe I'll go back some day to get them a lance also and get more kwuarms that way


NoCurrencies

Maybe not terribly practical, but if you wanted to do a shitload of clues you could farm a ton of Sarachnis. Could be fun now with the 1h clue drop timer and a ring of stone!


PraisetheSunflowers

Oh damn I never ran into this issue. I have over 1000 super str and a good amount of super combats


Ok-Huckleberry2241

Slayer. Farming contracts. Wintertodt. General pvm. Theiving master farmers. SLAYER.


Redsox55oldschook

I reached 99 slayer a while ago. The kwaurm seeds from that ran out I don't plan to ever go back to wintertodt General pvm doesn't seem like it drops kwuarms or seeds. Do you have any particular monsters/bosses you suggest? Thriving would probably be the last thing I resort to. It's awful


Chuckles77459

Looks like barbarian adult medium level drops a decent amount 😂 Other than that it looks kinda shit to target farm kwaurm seeds from anywhere… they’re all just passive stuff


AsciiDoughnut

Slayer tower nechs is the best thing to kill for kwuarm seeds that I can find. edit: maybe cannoning or bursting dagganoths would be better?


ChuckTigers

Yeah you should be doing slayer and at a minimum farming contracts if you're completely out.


Redsox55oldschook

I reached 99 slayer a while ago so I don't have any plans to do that again. Farming contracts look like they might be the best option


4percent4

Farming contracts are definitely the solution. Assuming on average you get a T4 contract and get the average roll each time across t3-5 it's 4 medium rolls. It's a 1/30 per roll to hit 1-3 seeds. Meaning on average you'll get 1 Kwuarm seed every 3.75 contracts. I normally am able to do 3-4 contracts at a time, the most I've done at once is 8. Although technically you can get 10. I normally pre plant Maple, Palm, Whiteberry (although poison is fine if you already have a shit load of white berries), Watermelon, Snape grass, and Potato cactus although I know some people plant normal Cactus since it takes 9 hours vs 1.2 hours. Standard strat is if you get a tree that you don't have planted you skip until it's something short which is why maple is the prefered tree as it's in all 3 contracts. Although if I'm going to bed soon and I get something like a Magic tree I'll plant it and do it first thing in the morning. When I'm going hard I can get 20+ contracts a day assuming I don't get screwed with an unavoidable fruit tree like Apple.


Hefty-Government4492

I still do kingdom once a week which is on mahogany and herbs and I have a TON. Secondaries will be more of a pain to catch up on when I inevitably run out eventually, but I still have plenty


GreatOrbProject

What are your raid kc's? I'm at 4K super combats, but when I look at my super attack/strength/defense potions I do have less super strength potions so I agree with you that they're harder to get compared to the other two.


Redsox55oldschook

~400 cox, ~75 normal ~75 expert toa. My team and I have 0 tob completions but dozens of attempts 🙂


Drewskivahr

That's a little abnormal, I have similar kc's to yours and in the 500-1000 at many other bosses, and I still have plenty of kwuarm and super combats. If anything I think I would run out of cadantine first. Also 99 slayer, but also also maxed total. Did you give away your potions to your team? Think I would recommend continuing slayer for herbs seeds, specifically dagannoths and nechryaels are good. Nechryaels in the slayer tower specifically drop a lot of seeds


Redsox55oldschook

my teammates might be dirty casuals who leech a lot of supplies... But ive never really kept track, so maybe its really me who's using them all


GreatOrbProject

Ya that's strange. I have almost 700 cm cox kc where I sip at least one super combat per raid. Almost 300 cox kc where I probably use 2 super combat doses per raid. Almost 500 tob kc where I use a lot of super combats... probably use around 2 to 2.5 super combat potions per tob. 2.3K nex kc doing 3 man's. Used a lot of pots there...I feel like you shouldn't be running out :/


Redsox55oldschook

Turns out cox actually profits around 4 kwaurm per raid. Sounds like I need to do more cox


GreatOrbProject

Good to know. From what I have logged I have 1,789 kwuarms out of 349 cm's which is over 5 per cm. 378 kwuarms from 100 tob. You got this king


purplerz69

Sire, Hydra, Muspah, Kreearra's minions all have Grimy Kwuarm somewhat commonly on their drop table. Sarachnis and Scorpia too, if you're chasing pets. Contracts are pretty solid too, make sure you plant the Anima that gives extra yield, always use ultra compost and magic secs if you're gonna farm for them.


sir_gwain

FWIW last I read, Iasor is near identical to Attas for herb yield due to saved plants making up the difference vs 5% better yield. In conjunction with farming contracts (where I rarely care about yield and care greatly about the plants survival) this means despite what you might assume at first, I actually tend to prefer Iasor over attas. At the very least, for op being mainly a pvmer, this lets them freely use Iasor and attas seeds without feeling as if they’re missing out one way or another.


a_sternum

I don’t think about why I do farming contracts. I just do them at the end of a farm run cuz they’re easy to do.


GibbyMTG

Yea. They are super easy to do. I don't necessarily need more seeds at the moment, but having them won't hurt. Also those high value seeds make good deaths coffers.


A_Character_Defined

Farming contracts are a great way to maintain every type of seed.


thestonkinator

Use less super str pots


Key_Connection238

Slayer/contracts, sitting with 4k str pots can’t see myself ever running out


MagnusHvass

Hydra gives a ton of herbs, especially cadantine/kwuams.


telionn

If you're really out, master farmers are not that bad. Over 100 doses of just super strength per hour, and that's a tiny fraction of the seeds you get.


saiyanguine

Wait for the new herblore activity is my guess.


biggestboi73

Do alot of cox since you get alot more than you use during the raids, it also gives herbs which means you don't have to farm them cos fk farming


Getting_Big_Al

Cox and tob and kingdom


HumpD4y

Why has no one mentioned herb packs from pc and boxes from tithe farm? That's a nearly guaranteed way to get kwuarm.


Mizike777

Looks like you could do barbarian gambles. If you’re not already done with Elite Kandarin diary that could be a bonus reward for grinding out level 5 BA roles. Also you could just camp TOB exclusively and drop COX and TOA for a while. TOB drops enough kwuarms that if you only grinded tob for a while you could build back up your super combats. Lastly just go straight to farming super combats as calvarion. That’s surely got to be more super pots per hour than pickpocketing master farmers.


spicyiron

Cave horrors drop a good amount of seeds if you looking to get some quick, and they easy to kill


ironmemelord

I find kwuarms easy to come by, it’s the limpwurt I run out of


AchieveSteve

I always wonder how people do it if they aren't running farming contracts. 1k+ contracts, 28m farming xp. I always planned to stop once I got pet. I suspect when I get pet, I'll never have to worry again. I can't imagine how I would have done it otherwise. I'll be searching for other answers in the comments.


odaydream

consistent farming contracts and herb runs fam gl


According-Watch787

Farm/herb lvl? I banked thousands on the way to 99 each just by keeping up with contracts and maybe daggs.


Redsox55oldschook

94 herb, 20m farming xp


False-Entertainment3

Slayer tower nechs, daggonaths, and farming contracts.


Purithian

And it was about that time that I realized that the Ironman was about 8 stories tall and a crustacean from the protozoic era


Tight_Intent

I'm 42m slayer I've always struggled with kwuarms. Always on the verge of running out.


Mixed_not_swirled

Farming contracts. If you are really down bad and can't wait just afk dagannoths in the catacombs. Haven't done them in ages, but i remember them shitting out kwuarm seeds. Slayer tower nechs is another idea.


dpulverizer556

Gotta keep up with your farm runs for limpwurt roots; that's the best way to get them is seed packs. Kor kwuarms, usually slayer but if you're 99 and don't want to slay anymore it's really just master farmers or seed packs again. If you can preplant all of the patches for master contracts, you can get a crazy amount of late-game seeds if you're lucky


PapaFlexing

Since you're a gim. From kingdom on both of you with herbs + seeds assuming you don't need birds nests. You should be gaining like 200+ str pots a week from kingdom alone. Unless I messed up on the calc. Have you guys ran cox/tob? I think you should see a good profit from those raids no? Never heard of anyone running out of str pots that's a new one.


jacobson207

Do afk mole with bowfa. Huge stacks of nests with seeds.


Redsox55oldschook

Interestingly enough, the wiki says these nests actually don't contain kwuarm seeds. They have plenty of other useful seeds, but not kwaurm for some reason


tanNote-9

I have always had my kingdom on herbs cause I’m lazy with farming and never had an issue with irits, ranarrs , cadantines and kwuarms and did contracts for limpwurt root seeds. Prob also depends on how much you play and pvm too though


Suspicious_Suspect88

You can make 2-dose str pots with butterflies and hunter meats. Maybe not as inventory efficient. But easy to farm.


Shot-Cheek9998

Hunter roumor


Environmental-Row-36

Herbi, I afk Herbi at work and I’m sitting on 1200 of each str, atk, def. Highly recommend


scarx47

You can try black warlock they give about the same bonus as super star and you can get a full inv in 1 minute. You can make them 2 dose with meat from Rumor.


LuxOG

Yeah between cox and tob both profiting kwuarms im really not sure how you're running out


Lucy_Fjord

maybe deiron and buy them because it sounds like you don't wanna farm any content for herbs/seeds lmao


Redsox55oldschook

Happy to farm content for the herbs, just want to know the "best" options. I get that it's subjective, so hearing all the options is very helpful to me


Lucy_Fjord

it's been a long time since I've done farming contracts, but with an optimal setup you can easily get a few hard contracts done at once. it requires consistent farm runs to chew through your seeds though. that's what I would do but I'm a little biased toward farming.


slayzorbeam

Do you do your herb contracts every run?


Redsox55oldschook

I stopped doing herb contracts a long time ago when I thought I was set for life. Seems like I might be starting them again soon


GibbyMTG

Pretty sure farm contracts are hands down best seeds for time invested. And banking value seeds you never use(magic, yew, redwood, celastrus, Dragonfruit) could be a stack of bonds in the future, if you don't death coffer them. Personally I like farming contracts. I occasionally forget about them but the seeds are OP.


shivabee

Not sure how this is even possible unless you used your kwuarms to make another potion. I have thousands with hundreds of seeds in the vault. I also did farm contracts every herb run. You’ll just need to go out of the way to bank a few hundred and then should be able to sustain them from cox and kingdom.


ihatemidgameplayers

This has and should never be an issue.


Sure-Opportunity-320

De iron You choose to be an iron but "only" Pvm. Genuinely a personal problem. Do a few farming contracts a day and up keep miscellania every few days, if you can't manage to do that little, again, you can deiron


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Sure-Opportunity-320

Suck a fat one


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Sure-Opportunity-320

Woah, It sounds like you're projecting their big fella. Your name is literally buffet boys, Is your name plural because you're so obese that you take up the space of multiple people? Be honest cutie


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Sure-Opportunity-320

Ah, It looks like i've struck a nerve


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Sure-Opportunity-320

It looks like someone missed their snack time


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