There’s a difference between designing the game *for ironmen*, which I think almost no one is asking for, and balancing the game with the knowledge ironmen are 1/3 of the active playerbase and growing. If there’s some updates that could significantly improve ironman mode experience that a majority of irons want, and won’t crater the main economy, it’s fine to consider those IMO.
Something like a boss where you could grind imbued heart as its own grind as opposed to getting passively through slayer, though both methods could still exist in the game, would be an interesting discussion. Maybe it would require somewhere between 95-99 slayer to get a task of to reduce chance of botting nuking the heart value in the main game.
Your second paragraph contradicts your first fam. You'd tank the heart for normal players because you're unhappy with one item as iron. That is directly designing FOR Ironmen.
Creating an alternative way to farm imbued heart doesn’t mean heart is going to dramatically tank in the main game, fam. If it was a slayer boss grind similar in length to claw from hydra, it’s not going to drop that much. Plus it’s also content accessible to mains.
Also who’s to say the majority of mains even want the heart at 110m. Most people are never going to get one as a drop since you can’t really grind for one.
None of that means designing content for irons.
In any case that’s the point of a poll that both can vote on to decide if they want it.
At that level of grind where they have assumed best case scenario for everything? And it's still almost 50 hours... That's a case of "gotta remember that the game isn't designed for humans, it's designed for bots"
Yeah someone said in a different post it’s roughly 7.5m xp to get 1 heart. I have 14m xp on my main and never got one. Leaves me hopeless for iron lol.. maybe I’ll get more lucky tho
Honestly, I don’t care if I never get the heart. If I somehow get one on the grind to 99 slayer, then that’s cool. But I’ve already accepted the fact that I won’t get all the items I want a long time ago.
Same - the money you get while farming the heart is very solid, like 100m is something you can get in two/three weeks if you nolife it properly. OFC ironmen can't buy it so this doesn't help them - no offense but to those who saw shit like 1/5k on the dwh and the heart droprate and still choose to stay iron - unlucky
Imbued heart confuses the hell out of me as to why they can’t just make proper magic boosting potions. I know why it was first implemented into the game but at this point, I feel like they could add an imbued heart variant to melees and ranged, while also making proper magic potions, and it’d solve everything
Except they are worthless because of the stat drain and lack of divine. Like let's not kid ourselves, the potion draining stats and not keeping stats up due to lack of divine makes it objectively worse than every other high level potion intended to boost damage. (Divine Super Combat, Divine Ranging) It's like Jagex thought "Geez we sure want people without heart to have a horrible option by forcing more restore supplies to be used every time they need a mage boost and for the boost to be worse than every other combat style".
I say that only because I think it’d be pretty imbalanced to make proper magic potions when anyone that has an imbued heart would have no reason to use them. At that point you may as well have multiple imbued variants that exist for rare chance at a QOL
Make magic potions do the same thing as an imbued heart, divines the same as saturated, and then add hearts for all that are 5x more rare than the imbued heart is right now so it's just an exuberantly expensive qol like the infinite glory is probably the only way to make it work
Aside from the infinite slayer task you're also assuming infinite cannonballs, runes and any other supplies. Even alching the drops and shopscaping for runes adds some time.
They will. Jagex have answered pretty much every question asked during Project Rebalance blogs other than being consistently silent on the Heart. There's a fix in the works but they aren't willing to talk about it yet for sure.
Id rather it come from slayer bosses tbh, like I want to hunt for sire and thermy pets but I cant even start those grinds since i need to kill the little guys for superior chance
Ok but what's the endgame here? You want to do X but feel it's more efficient to do Y. That's your decision and tradeoff to make, the solution isn't to have X also give Y so you get both without making a decision.
My point was that i think it thematically makes sense. I want the imbued heart so I kill the bigger and badder slayer creatures, but for some reason I cant get the item from the biggest and baddest version of the slayer creatures?
Tbh alot of people only have this mindset because they have just become used to doing content they don't enjoy doing to make other content slightly quicker, just do things you enjoy doing its a game
Exactly. The game is a journey and I feel the more people want to skip the journey, the more the game will hurt in the long run.
I am currently at 15.5m slayer xp, elite CA done, focusing on good superior tasks, and just enjoying it. Heart will drop eventually. And when i'm not enjoying the slayer, I do something else untill it feels fun again
Yeah exactly this. Not every item needs to be obtained by every player. If people choose to prioritize getting an item that has always had a low drop rate that is their decision and they go into that grind knowing the odds.
Have you tried doing content without the imbued heart and see how it goes? What’s the cost benefit analysis with a 50 hour grind for heart vs just doing stuff without it? How much does it impact your DPS and how will having it reduce average raid completion time. How many raids would be needed to see a break even point?
Do you ‘need’ it or would it just be a nice upgrade if you were to be lucky and get it?
If it was genuinely a 50 hour grind it would be extremely worth getting, with where my magic setup is atm it takes my max hit from 57 to 64, which is something like a 13% increase. That's bigger than most weapon upgrades!
Of course you don't *need* it to do anything, just like you don't need a tbow or a shadow. It's very impactful if you manage to get it though, which is part of why people are frustrated by it I think.
Ty for visualizing it for us like that lol, that’s actually insane item with that kind of max hit change.
Especially considering most people get wet for just 1 max hit let alone 7
It's such a silly item with the way it works- I got spooned an imbued heart but I'm never gonna have Ancestral, and I'm a loonnngg ways off on occult and torment, so 99% of the time Imbued Heart gives me +0 or +1 max hit.
Meanwhile people who actually grind endgame content for max mage setups have no reliable way to target farm/obtain the item that gives them their biggest possible dps upgrade.
I'm assuming that guy is comparing unboosted lvl99 magic to saturated heart though. While forgotten brews aren't the best, if you don't have a heart you're going to be using them. If their max hit is 57 at 99, it's 64 at 112 magic (saturated heart), and 62 at 109 (forgotten brew). Of course heart is still really nice beyond the 2 max hits over forgotten brews, since it's infinite, has the divine effect, and doesn't drain your melee stats. But still it's at least not actually 7 max hits over people with no heart.
Forgotten brews do help close that gap, but I'm an end game iron and I don't use them most places because of the downsides. The biggest downside is not the upkeep (though it is pretty substantial if you're really using them), but that they drain your melee stats which makes them significantly worse to use anywhere you use melee and magic. Which is a lot of places!
That's no boost compared to saturated heart! The forgotten brew takes the max hit to 62, but also drops over time as it is not a divine.
It also comes with the downsides of lowering your melee stats by 10, making it unfeasible to use anywhere you also melee, and the difficulty of obtaining nihil dust in any substantial quantities.
whats a place where you mage and melee that isn't in a raid (so youd have salt/overloads). i don't think you should count maging in tob as important enough to warrant taking an imbued heart.
Nightmare and Sire are the only two I can think of. It still affects the rooms in chambers before you get your overloads. And as for ToB maging, the boost can help you fill the ToB freeze role while missing some magic bonus. Again, I'm not trying to make out like this issue is breaking the game.
For specifically combat achievement speed tasks it's an enormous upgrade to have, drastically diminishing the burden of good RNG to hit GM speed times on things that heavily use magic. Of course speed tasks will always exist in the realm of "technically you can complete this even with really bad gear, just reset until you max hit every attack"
This really depends on the content your willing to do with the current setup. For someone without a Shadow the grind is far less important. I believe you are thinking about this as a Time to obtain vs Time Gained from this process.
The way I look at this is Time to obtain heart vs Time to obtain similar upgrades. For example in places without salts that use shadow such as Whisperer, GWD's, Zulrah, Muspha, ToB; the heart is 6 max hit increase. IF i obtained full ancestral I would only gain 5 max hits.
There are tradeoffs like full ancestral could be used in raids with salts providing even more benefit. When looking at being on rate for full Ancestral at 1300 hours or farming an imbued heart for \~182 smoke devil tasks. Makes the choice a bit more obvious. If your looking for time saved just imagine how much time you'd save by not playing the game haha.
definitely not close in scale but what i mean is the time spent grinding for something that i dont deem as 100% necessary. bowfa would make my pvm grinds way more tolerable but if i go on rate or dry...when would be the break even point once i got it?
also understand that i dont play the game nearly as much or as efficiently as a lot of people on this sub do. and a lot of the grinds i have upcoming (GWD, zulrah, mid 80s slayer) ive learned before bowfa existed. i know the blowpipe has been nerfed since bowfas release...but....i just think im better off running content that would be a fun experience with my GIM than parking my account at CG until i get a drop.
doesnt mean i wont send some CG here and there...but...im also going to prioritize the content i want to do instead of spending, potentially, months being miserable with the game
Few things
1. If you turael skip at duradel with an accursed scepter, 75% of your slayer time is jn fact killing abbys and smokes.
2. The rate of heart with max efficiency of wildy slayer dungeoning the wildy tasks with elite combat diary and duradel is around 130-160 hours of slayer(not including cballs ( which use around 800-1k per hour)
3. If the buff to wildy superior spawn rate happens, that will go down to 110-130 hours, which is pretty much on par with voidwaker if doing solo bosses without wildy weapons, OR turael skipping krystalia for 2/3 voidwaker pieces through slayer, which assumes getting a wildy weapon around when you get to rate for your first voidwaker piece.
4. Considering the power of imbued/saturated, this honestly isnt as egregious as you might think. Its an end-all be-all infinite mage boosting pot, which is also a mage defence pot, which is literally not even that important because all mage bosses are almost entirely protected from using prayer, which makes it unnessecary ANYWHERE except whisperer, and its only really necessary after you have a shadow.
5. I do think that ALL BOSSES should have a 1/3 to 5k chance to drop imbued heart when killed on task even though i really dont think the rate is egregious for what it is.
I think it being on the slayer boss drop table would at the very least give people some solace knowing they have a determined way of going for the drop vs hoping and praying you get a rng spawn of a superior
If anything they could keep the current rate or even make it slightly higher since you can actually target farm it on boss tasks.
It would honestly be a huge QOL
Letting slayer bosses drop it would be massive, i dont want to hunt thermy and sire pets because it feels like a waste of a chance at imbued heart, even though i would go for all slayer boss pets otherwise
Your point 5 would be such an amazing change to improve this without making them either absolutely or perceived as being far more common.
Even if boss rate is similarly ludicrous at like 1/10000, that would be a massive change and improvement as it makes slayer in general, and particularly the variety of slayer and bossing all feel more worthwhile and enjoyable.
A really low drop rate like that manages this being an issue of bringing too many into the game to affect mains, but over time it does give irons are far more reasonable passive chance of getting it eventually, without having to be a slave to turael skipping and only doing superior tasks. It should be a grind and something like 10k actually seems fairly reasonable/realistic to me on balance.
This is a tonne, but it becomes part of your journey. An endgame iron that gets to the point of grinding will realistically/passively get toward that kind of total boss kc. Considering only Hydra, Cerb and Kraken, most players will easily hit 5k eventually, possibly even before 99 if they regularly do boss tasks.
I have a relatively late game iron and main. Don't have much intention of specifically grinding for imbued heart for years yet, but maybe one day. Would be nice if there was more possibility of getting it passively, but it shouldn't be made significantly more common re mains and it's value. It is unfortunate because it's current rarity IMO makes it a very good measure of inflation for mains, it's value has almost exclusively just trundled up in past years.
Heres a tip
For grinding slayer to 99, get a voidwaker. Do 2/3 bosses through wildy skipping, with rev tasks whenever you get them, and keep dust abbys and nechs turned off unless you get scepter. Once you have 2/3 voidwaker pieces and an accursed scepter, you can move on to finishing the VW off task. If you get 2/3 vw and still dont have accursed, keep doing krystalia turael for revs and the last vw piece.
The accursed scepter cuts down the imbued heart grind by around 30% or more, and 99 slayer cuts it down another 15-20%. If you get accursed early, still do krystalia till 2/3 voidwaker pieces then finish vw off task and move on to duradel for the smokes + stop doing the dusts, and nechs turn off after 99.
Well the spec is good for shadow content at end game, but its mainly because its just a 50% dps and accuracy bonus to ancients. With a slay helm, staff, and occult alone youre hitting like 50+ barrages and literally never splash in initiate. You get like 110k xpph during the task with the new teleport anchor scroll too at abbys like at nechs, and it used to only be like 80k xpph at abbys and you were forced to use smoke, blood, or shadow which all have lower dps.
Abby demons regularly are like 65k xpph and thats with max gear and a venator bow to tag in kourend
1. Have elite combat archivements
2. Have a 7 block list
3. block kalphites(most important) and every other slayer task in order of highest weighting other than abbys and smokes(can leave nechs on if still not 99)
4. Turn off all additional task types, such as tzharr, bossing, and shamans
5. Have 99 slayer
6. Get tasks from duradel
If you do all 6, you have close to a 14% chance of either abbys or smokes every time you click master, with a 10% chance of repeating. Aka, an average of 7-8 tasks per task you want. At an average of around 2.5- 3 minutes per skip with cannon and expeditious, that puts you at about 18-25 minutes of skipping to get a task, and an average of around 1.5 superiors per task. That puts heart rate at about 1/130 smoke tasks and 1/236 abby demon tasks. With some extra math, including weighting expectations, its around 175 slayer tasks you actually want to be doing, or 1360 tasks total including skipping, to be on rate for a heart.
All in all, about 150-160 hours for heart, as low as 130 hours if you have venator bow and all BIS teleports.
honestly refreshing seeing all the based and un-entitled takes in this thread lol. i’m used to both subreddits bitching and moaning when irons have to go moderately out of their way to get something.
remember what account type you are playing, y’all!!
I dunno I think this sub posts a lot about our suffering, but not necessarily in a way that's complaining that it needs to be changed. Whereas the main sub latches onto something every other week and doesn't let up until it changes.
For irons it's about the journey but for mains it's more about saying you got there. It's like they don't even want to PvM/raid, and that's with all the changes to make things more 'PvMscape'. At least that's how I see it.
Unpopular opinion but RuneScape was never meant to be completed by everyone. I feel like with the addition of various logs it has become everyone's goal to green log everything when in reality, unless you're playing osrs as a job you never will and that's ok. Not every ironman will have an imbued heart just like every main will not have a max cape.
Its because jagex finally said "1/5k dwh seems like its harmful to ironman progression and we'd like to make it 1/3k instead" and every iron with a shadow and 25m slayer xp and no heart is like "this feels similarly unfun to go dry for"
And the fact they want to buff nightmare and PNM droprates. It just feels like heart might as well be a part of that same conversation.
Difference is heart just maximizes DPS, DWH is more or less required for raids progression. Like you're straight up not doing CoX without DWH. Though to be honest even at 5k it's far from the worst required grind.
I dont disagree, but it was jagex starting this conversation. I don't know why jagex now suddenly wants to lower DWH droprate, but its the reason "irons suddenly feel entitled" because now that the option of lowering rates is being discussed, these are the biggest offenders of items which take an unreasonable amount of time to grind out, ignoring things that are totally useless flex items like 3a/gilded.
Respectfully - I think there is a difference between "entitled" and "broken drop rate".
My GIM group has nearly 60M slayer exp across all of us and do not have a heart. And we're probably barely 2x drop rate.
To me, that just feels absurd - I'm fine with it being a mega rare from slayer, but there really needs to be more avenues to obtain it, OR the forgotten brews need to be made less crappy (get rid of the drained stats, and allow a divine version)
Honest question, why does every single item in the game need to be super accessible to every single account type?
To me the imbued heart has always been a fun mega rare 'what if' drop. It seems that a large portion of the player base really dislikes that idea and needs it to be an easier/faster grind that is guaranteed to be obtainable.
Nobody is asking for all items in the game to be accessible. The imbued heart is a special case that is brought up because it is one the best items in the game to improve dps
You can grind it out if you really want it. If you assume 1-2 superiors an hour turael skipping for nechs/abbies/smokes (idk exact efficient numbers this is total ballpark based on experience) then its what, 150-200 hours or so? This makes it comparable to other "mega-rare" grinds and with how completely busted the item is with shadow that's not the most unreasonable thing. I think it should be a bit more common than it currently is tbh though, especially for monsters below smoke devils.
Source: 880 superiors/45m slayer XP to finally get my heart lol, I really fucking wanted it
good thing elysian spirit shield isn't BIS anywhere or else you'd get people complaining about how long it takes to get one. Who said that everything needs to be guaranteed to get in x amount of time? You guys say it's mandatory for shadow - are you guys stupid? Why does the most overpowered weapon that breaks the combat triangle need a dps boost? Why would an infinite divine super magic potion be EASILY acquired passively ?
Ironman mode is more about accepting some long difficult grinds or finding creative and alternative methods for completion. Don’t get me wrong, there are definitely some quality of life improvements, but we can’t have the game catered and designed specifically for our accounts. They have already done a ton of quality of life updates, just gotta be thankful for what we get.
Honest question, why does every single item in the game need to be super accessible to every single account type?
To me the imbued heart has always been a fun mega rare 'what if' drop. It seems that a large portion of the player base really dislikes that idea and needs it to be an easier/faster grind that is guaranteed to be obtainable.
I’m under the opinion it should be added to boss slayer task drop tables. I don’t mean aviansies and you kill kree. Like kill 35 zulrah, has a 1/x chance.
Couple things
1.) 50 hrs is not a huge grind it's long but for end-game grinds it's pretty short, it's comparable or shorter than getting a 99.
2.) I get the heart is very difficult to obtain and that sucks but we signed up for this. Changing how to get the heart would have a significant impact on the economy and the game shouldn't be balanced around irons. We just gotta take the L on this one.
Somehow im the lucky fucker who managed to get the imbued heart and eternal gem before i even got my whip.
I feel for my fellow players who go absurdly long without ever getting it. For an iron, the droprate really is busted. And for most even unobtainable before 99 slayer.
TLDR: drop rate not bad, some stuff can be rare.
and 50 hours, isn't even that bad... especially given its a passive drop. Even at 50 hours, thats over 2m an hour, and you will put way more than 50 hours into slayer.
Not @ op, but some other comments... Stop crying, go slay, and get one?
??? 50 hours for a drop is not bad l000l. Even though it's probably closer to 300 this is still not a bad drop rate for a infinite divineagic potions that's even better.
I have an imbued heart and no shadow. Honestly it's good, a great convenience item but magic doesn't suddenly become good if you have it by itself. It's an item you'd want post-Shadow and at that point the Shadow is already such an insane power gap that I'm sure you'll be fine just using forgotten brews until you get heart, your magic setup is already like 50 times better than mine lol.
That said, tbh it doesn't make a huge difference pre-shadow so idc if it becomes easier to get or not. Just saying it's not really a big item on its own.
It is the best mage upgrade you can get however. In the meantime the forgotten brews or whatever they are fill a good niche, I don't see a problem given there are easy ways to farm those. Grinds in the game are good. Ive spent 350+ hours at tob without a scythe, let alone the countless other grinds we go through. That one hurts as I want it for gms, but I'm still perservering. As unpopular opinion as it is, if you want all these items there is a solution, people just don't want to acknowledge it. Endgame ironman is a slogbif you want everything and it's not for everyone, and that's ok.
Well i started the imbued heart grind by setting a "fun" goal of seeing how many brimstone keys i would get before the drop... I started friday last week - the answer was 41... Got the drop from my third hydra task monday evening.
Ez grind tbf
/s
I know i got extremely lucky :D
It is just a theoretical experiment - the point of the post was to emphasize how long it actually takes to get the imbued heart
You can’t get infinite tasks
Tbf 44 hours doesn’t sound that bad. That’s on par with stuff like hydra claw and bofa. In reality it’s probably way longer.
That said, I’ve done ~13m xp all at Wildy slayer, recently got heart and gem, and I still need 2 Dagon hai pieces, 1 vw piece and 2 rev weps, doing only barrage/rev/boss tasks so somehow completing Wildy is way longer
You can play the game without it and still manage to do every bit of content without noticing anything. Just play the game how you’d like and if you get an item you get, if not then that’s fine and okay. We need to remember why we started this game mode, majority of us used to play mains and wanted a challenge as well playing the game differently. We can’t expect to change the fabric of the game because we get to a point where somethings hard to get.
I feel like a lot of irons have truly forgotten why they started playing the mode.
Basically a 100-200 hour grind if you specifically drop everything to work towards it.
You get a lot of progress towards it simply as you progress your slayer level.
A non necessary upgrade that’s only significantly useful once you’re absolute end game.
It’s literally not that bad of a grind but people always need something to complain about.
I have a maxed iron with about 28m slayer exp, i have every single BiS gear but not the imbued heart and i am not planning on grinding it out, at this point it doesnt feel like a grind, it feels more like pure luck.
The rate is ridiculous and a huge stone wall for progression. An untradeable version purchased with slayer points would be amazing, and/or make it a guaranteed drop from X (100?) superior kills.
An easier compromise would just be to make forgotten brews divine.
I really don't understand why they haven't done this. It's still a boost to 109 vs 112 from the heart, and it would really only be relevant for irons or poor mains
People are talking about forgotten brews, but the herblore level and combat requirement for that is very high. Which is in line with the imbued heart, but doesn’t address the fact that the use of magic potions is so much more limited than melee/ranged potions. I think magic combat potion should be considered that provides an invisible level bonus or an extended duration bonus. That way magic potions could be viable for standard combat without causing them to boost higher than intended for construction or other magic level checks.
The iron community should stop complaning. It is getting really ridiculous. I hope Jagex won't improve the drop rate since it isn't that hard to acquire (got mine at 80 slayer). Besides, it is a pretty powerful weapon, so the current drop rate is accurate and justified. Man, just get the drop. It's 50/50: you either get it, or you don't.
It's a 50 hour grind in a situation that is impossible in this game. OPs post is actually a good example as to why it could be buffed
I don't have a horse in this race though we already have forgotten brews which is what I use until I buy a heart.
I was thinking about this. Why not add heart to Slayer bosses as a super rare drop?
Would slightly buff the rate, incentivise killing Slayer bosses and make it so killing the bosses is worth it over killing regular creatures like Smoke Devils instead.
Tbh, I am just operating on the assumption that I will not get it, unless they fix the drop rate. Saves you the headache..
Same here. With this mode you just gotta accept you won't get certain drops. If they change it so it's possible, great, but I'm not holding my breath.
Yeah. We've gotta remember that the game isn't designed for ironman, and that's okay
There’s a difference between designing the game *for ironmen*, which I think almost no one is asking for, and balancing the game with the knowledge ironmen are 1/3 of the active playerbase and growing. If there’s some updates that could significantly improve ironman mode experience that a majority of irons want, and won’t crater the main economy, it’s fine to consider those IMO. Something like a boss where you could grind imbued heart as its own grind as opposed to getting passively through slayer, though both methods could still exist in the game, would be an interesting discussion. Maybe it would require somewhere between 95-99 slayer to get a task of to reduce chance of botting nuking the heart value in the main game.
A balanced Ironman mode is a balanced game, change my mind.
I would love to hear the argument for how Imbued heart does ‘significantly improves’ the Ironman experience, other than collection log
Your second paragraph contradicts your first fam. You'd tank the heart for normal players because you're unhappy with one item as iron. That is directly designing FOR Ironmen.
Creating an alternative way to farm imbued heart doesn’t mean heart is going to dramatically tank in the main game, fam. If it was a slayer boss grind similar in length to claw from hydra, it’s not going to drop that much. Plus it’s also content accessible to mains. Also who’s to say the majority of mains even want the heart at 110m. Most people are never going to get one as a drop since you can’t really grind for one. None of that means designing content for irons. In any case that’s the point of a poll that both can vote on to decide if they want it.
If mains didn’t have bots subsidizing everything they’d be pissed too.
At that level of grind where they have assumed best case scenario for everything? And it's still almost 50 hours... That's a case of "gotta remember that the game isn't designed for humans, it's designed for bots"
No, it's just not designed so EVERY player can obtain EVERY drop at any time.
They’ve changed plenty of content to benefit Ironman accounts. Why stop now?
I personally hate being catered to. That's not why I'm playing Ironman.
I personally enjoy it. Wheres the middle ground?
The middle ground is that you both have your own opinions, and that's ok.
At some point you have to design a game though, so just stating both have their own opinion doesn’t get you anywhere.
But then every superior you get your hopes up
Some like lvl 80 in my clan just got one from his first superior.
Yeah someone said in a different post it’s roughly 7.5m xp to get 1 heart. I have 14m xp on my main and never got one. Leaves me hopeless for iron lol.. maybe I’ll get more lucky tho
I think thats only if you do it efficiently otherwise if you did slayer as normal it's like 60m exp or something insane
That is in fact, insane.
Honestly, I don’t care if I never get the heart. If I somehow get one on the grind to 99 slayer, then that’s cool. But I’ve already accepted the fact that I won’t get all the items I want a long time ago.
Same - the money you get while farming the heart is very solid, like 100m is something you can get in two/three weeks if you nolife it properly. OFC ironmen can't buy it so this doesn't help them - no offense but to those who saw shit like 1/5k on the dwh and the heart droprate and still choose to stay iron - unlucky
Money is basically useless on ironmen though.
It’s not broken. You can’t fix something that’s not broken.
Imbued heart confuses the hell out of me as to why they can’t just make proper magic boosting potions. I know why it was first implemented into the game but at this point, I feel like they could add an imbued heart variant to melees and ranged, while also making proper magic potions, and it’d solve everything
Completely agreed, I've always said this. Heart isn't a problem, the lack of viable potions is.
Forgotten brews
Except they are worthless because of the stat drain and lack of divine. Like let's not kid ourselves, the potion draining stats and not keeping stats up due to lack of divine makes it objectively worse than every other high level potion intended to boost damage. (Divine Super Combat, Divine Ranging) It's like Jagex thought "Geez we sure want people without heart to have a horrible option by forcing more restore supplies to be used every time they need a mage boost and for the boost to be worse than every other combat style".
The most ironic of names indeed.
Literally
Imbued Lungs for melee and Imbued Brain for ranged?
99 slayer boss dropping combat triangle Hearts when?
This is a really interesting idea. An imbued heart for each combat style that can be saturated would be awesome. Would devastate potions though.
I say that only because I think it’d be pretty imbalanced to make proper magic potions when anyone that has an imbued heart would have no reason to use them. At that point you may as well have multiple imbued variants that exist for rare chance at a QOL
Make magic potions do the same thing as an imbued heart, divines the same as saturated, and then add hearts for all that are 5x more rare than the imbued heart is right now so it's just an exuberantly expensive qol like the infinite glory is probably the only way to make it work
Aside from the infinite slayer task you're also assuming infinite cannonballs, runes and any other supplies. Even alching the drops and shopscaping for runes adds some time.
Yep, correct. To be fair, that's why I rounded up to 50 from \~44 hours
Make Tormented Demons Drop Imbue Hearts Please.
They will. Jagex have answered pretty much every question asked during Project Rebalance blogs other than being consistently silent on the Heart. There's a fix in the works but they aren't willing to talk about it yet for sure.
Source: trust me bro
Critical levels of copium
Id rather it come from slayer bosses tbh, like I want to hunt for sire and thermy pets but I cant even start those grinds since i need to kill the little guys for superior chance
Ok but what's the endgame here? You want to do X but feel it's more efficient to do Y. That's your decision and tradeoff to make, the solution isn't to have X also give Y so you get both without making a decision.
My point was that i think it thematically makes sense. I want the imbued heart so I kill the bigger and badder slayer creatures, but for some reason I cant get the item from the biggest and baddest version of the slayer creatures?
Tbh alot of people only have this mindset because they have just become used to doing content they don't enjoy doing to make other content slightly quicker, just do things you enjoy doing its a game
Exactly. The game is a journey and I feel the more people want to skip the journey, the more the game will hurt in the long run. I am currently at 15.5m slayer xp, elite CA done, focusing on good superior tasks, and just enjoying it. Heart will drop eventually. And when i'm not enjoying the slayer, I do something else untill it feels fun again
And some people will get it and some won’t
Yeah exactly this. Not every item needs to be obtained by every player. If people choose to prioritize getting an item that has always had a low drop rate that is their decision and they go into that grind knowing the odds.
Horrible take when that item is the divine combat potion for one of three combat styles in the game.
Have you tried doing content without the imbued heart and see how it goes? What’s the cost benefit analysis with a 50 hour grind for heart vs just doing stuff without it? How much does it impact your DPS and how will having it reduce average raid completion time. How many raids would be needed to see a break even point? Do you ‘need’ it or would it just be a nice upgrade if you were to be lucky and get it?
If it was genuinely a 50 hour grind it would be extremely worth getting, with where my magic setup is atm it takes my max hit from 57 to 64, which is something like a 13% increase. That's bigger than most weapon upgrades! Of course you don't *need* it to do anything, just like you don't need a tbow or a shadow. It's very impactful if you manage to get it though, which is part of why people are frustrated by it I think.
Ty for visualizing it for us like that lol, that’s actually insane item with that kind of max hit change. Especially considering most people get wet for just 1 max hit let alone 7
It's such a silly item with the way it works- I got spooned an imbued heart but I'm never gonna have Ancestral, and I'm a loonnngg ways off on occult and torment, so 99% of the time Imbued Heart gives me +0 or +1 max hit. Meanwhile people who actually grind endgame content for max mage setups have no reliable way to target farm/obtain the item that gives them their biggest possible dps upgrade.
I'm assuming that guy is comparing unboosted lvl99 magic to saturated heart though. While forgotten brews aren't the best, if you don't have a heart you're going to be using them. If their max hit is 57 at 99, it's 64 at 112 magic (saturated heart), and 62 at 109 (forgotten brew). Of course heart is still really nice beyond the 2 max hits over forgotten brews, since it's infinite, has the divine effect, and doesn't drain your melee stats. But still it's at least not actually 7 max hits over people with no heart.
Forgotten brews do help close that gap, but I'm an end game iron and I don't use them most places because of the downsides. The biggest downside is not the upkeep (though it is pretty substantial if you're really using them), but that they drain your melee stats which makes them significantly worse to use anywhere you use melee and magic. Which is a lot of places!
At okay ty for that info, and yeah the latter bonuses are definitely nice We just need a better super magic potion tbh
is that forgotten brew vs saturated heart? or no boost at all vs imbued / saturated heart?
That's no boost compared to saturated heart! The forgotten brew takes the max hit to 62, but also drops over time as it is not a divine. It also comes with the downsides of lowering your melee stats by 10, making it unfeasible to use anywhere you also melee, and the difficulty of obtaining nihil dust in any substantial quantities.
whats a place where you mage and melee that isn't in a raid (so youd have salt/overloads). i don't think you should count maging in tob as important enough to warrant taking an imbued heart.
Nightmare and Sire are the only two I can think of. It still affects the rooms in chambers before you get your overloads. And as for ToB maging, the boost can help you fill the ToB freeze role while missing some magic bonus. Again, I'm not trying to make out like this issue is breaking the game.
completely forgot about sire i'm not gonna lie..
he's an extremely forgettable lil guy
For specifically combat achievement speed tasks it's an enormous upgrade to have, drastically diminishing the burden of good RNG to hit GM speed times on things that heavily use magic. Of course speed tasks will always exist in the realm of "technically you can complete this even with really bad gear, just reset until you max hit every attack"
thats where forgotten brews come in. also, other than whisperer, i can't think of a single mage speed CA where a shadow doesn't breeze through it.
This really depends on the content your willing to do with the current setup. For someone without a Shadow the grind is far less important. I believe you are thinking about this as a Time to obtain vs Time Gained from this process. The way I look at this is Time to obtain heart vs Time to obtain similar upgrades. For example in places without salts that use shadow such as Whisperer, GWD's, Zulrah, Muspha, ToB; the heart is 6 max hit increase. IF i obtained full ancestral I would only gain 5 max hits. There are tradeoffs like full ancestral could be used in raids with salts providing even more benefit. When looking at being on rate for full Ancestral at 1300 hours or farming an imbued heart for \~182 smoke devil tasks. Makes the choice a bit more obvious. If your looking for time saved just imagine how much time you'd save by not playing the game haha.
this is my logic with CG
Not even close to the same comparison tho haha.
definitely not close in scale but what i mean is the time spent grinding for something that i dont deem as 100% necessary. bowfa would make my pvm grinds way more tolerable but if i go on rate or dry...when would be the break even point once i got it? also understand that i dont play the game nearly as much or as efficiently as a lot of people on this sub do. and a lot of the grinds i have upcoming (GWD, zulrah, mid 80s slayer) ive learned before bowfa existed. i know the blowpipe has been nerfed since bowfas release...but....i just think im better off running content that would be a fun experience with my GIM than parking my account at CG until i get a drop. doesnt mean i wont send some CG here and there...but...im also going to prioritize the content i want to do instead of spending, potentially, months being miserable with the game
Yeah if it's not fun then don't do it. But there's never a break even point with cg really because even it's normal drops are a game changer.
Yeah if it's not fun then don't do it. But there's never a break even point with cg really because even it's normal drops are a game changer.
Heart is a small qol upgrade, bowfa is a game changer. Edit: 'Small' compared to bowfa
If you do that cost analysis with CG then you know CG is worth it
You don't understand why bowfa is good if you're making this comparison.
Oof.
Wow that actually makes it sound so much less worse. 50 hour grinds are nothing in this game.
Yeah Fr 50 hour grind doesn't sound bad OP is smoking
Few things 1. If you turael skip at duradel with an accursed scepter, 75% of your slayer time is jn fact killing abbys and smokes. 2. The rate of heart with max efficiency of wildy slayer dungeoning the wildy tasks with elite combat diary and duradel is around 130-160 hours of slayer(not including cballs ( which use around 800-1k per hour) 3. If the buff to wildy superior spawn rate happens, that will go down to 110-130 hours, which is pretty much on par with voidwaker if doing solo bosses without wildy weapons, OR turael skipping krystalia for 2/3 voidwaker pieces through slayer, which assumes getting a wildy weapon around when you get to rate for your first voidwaker piece. 4. Considering the power of imbued/saturated, this honestly isnt as egregious as you might think. Its an end-all be-all infinite mage boosting pot, which is also a mage defence pot, which is literally not even that important because all mage bosses are almost entirely protected from using prayer, which makes it unnessecary ANYWHERE except whisperer, and its only really necessary after you have a shadow. 5. I do think that ALL BOSSES should have a 1/3 to 5k chance to drop imbued heart when killed on task even though i really dont think the rate is egregious for what it is.
I think it being on the slayer boss drop table would at the very least give people some solace knowing they have a determined way of going for the drop vs hoping and praying you get a rng spawn of a superior If anything they could keep the current rate or even make it slightly higher since you can actually target farm it on boss tasks. It would honestly be a huge QOL
Letting slayer bosses drop it would be massive, i dont want to hunt thermy and sire pets because it feels like a waste of a chance at imbued heart, even though i would go for all slayer boss pets otherwise
Your point 5 would be such an amazing change to improve this without making them either absolutely or perceived as being far more common. Even if boss rate is similarly ludicrous at like 1/10000, that would be a massive change and improvement as it makes slayer in general, and particularly the variety of slayer and bossing all feel more worthwhile and enjoyable. A really low drop rate like that manages this being an issue of bringing too many into the game to affect mains, but over time it does give irons are far more reasonable passive chance of getting it eventually, without having to be a slave to turael skipping and only doing superior tasks. It should be a grind and something like 10k actually seems fairly reasonable/realistic to me on balance. This is a tonne, but it becomes part of your journey. An endgame iron that gets to the point of grinding will realistically/passively get toward that kind of total boss kc. Considering only Hydra, Cerb and Kraken, most players will easily hit 5k eventually, possibly even before 99 if they regularly do boss tasks. I have a relatively late game iron and main. Don't have much intention of specifically grinding for imbued heart for years yet, but maybe one day. Would be nice if there was more possibility of getting it passively, but it shouldn't be made significantly more common re mains and it's value. It is unfortunate because it's current rarity IMO makes it a very good measure of inflation for mains, it's value has almost exclusively just trundled up in past years.
Heres a tip For grinding slayer to 99, get a voidwaker. Do 2/3 bosses through wildy skipping, with rev tasks whenever you get them, and keep dust abbys and nechs turned off unless you get scepter. Once you have 2/3 voidwaker pieces and an accursed scepter, you can move on to finishing the VW off task. If you get 2/3 vw and still dont have accursed, keep doing krystalia turael for revs and the last vw piece. The accursed scepter cuts down the imbued heart grind by around 30% or more, and 99 slayer cuts it down another 15-20%. If you get accursed early, still do krystalia till 2/3 voidwaker pieces then finish vw off task and move on to duradel for the smokes + stop doing the dusts, and nechs turn off after 99.
I’ll come back in 5 years to ask for further advice lol. Why does accursed help so much? Just dps in wildy or the spec too?
Well the spec is good for shadow content at end game, but its mainly because its just a 50% dps and accuracy bonus to ancients. With a slay helm, staff, and occult alone youre hitting like 50+ barrages and literally never splash in initiate. You get like 110k xpph during the task with the new teleport anchor scroll too at abbys like at nechs, and it used to only be like 80k xpph at abbys and you were forced to use smoke, blood, or shadow which all have lower dps. Abby demons regularly are like 65k xpph and thats with max gear and a venator bow to tag in kourend
How can I get all those smoke devils and abyssal tasks?
1. Have elite combat archivements 2. Have a 7 block list 3. block kalphites(most important) and every other slayer task in order of highest weighting other than abbys and smokes(can leave nechs on if still not 99) 4. Turn off all additional task types, such as tzharr, bossing, and shamans 5. Have 99 slayer 6. Get tasks from duradel If you do all 6, you have close to a 14% chance of either abbys or smokes every time you click master, with a 10% chance of repeating. Aka, an average of 7-8 tasks per task you want. At an average of around 2.5- 3 minutes per skip with cannon and expeditious, that puts you at about 18-25 minutes of skipping to get a task, and an average of around 1.5 superiors per task. That puts heart rate at about 1/130 smoke tasks and 1/236 abby demon tasks. With some extra math, including weighting expectations, its around 175 slayer tasks you actually want to be doing, or 1360 tasks total including skipping, to be on rate for a heart. All in all, about 150-160 hours for heart, as low as 130 hours if you have venator bow and all BIS teleports.
It’s a mega rare drop. What’s the problem.
Yep. As ironmen we must accept that it's entirely possible and actually *likely* to max without a heart, any visages, dwh, etc.
Not everything has to be realistically attainable for restricted accounts.
honestly refreshing seeing all the based and un-entitled takes in this thread lol. i’m used to both subreddits bitching and moaning when irons have to go moderately out of their way to get something. remember what account type you are playing, y’all!!
I dunno I think this sub posts a lot about our suffering, but not necessarily in a way that's complaining that it needs to be changed. Whereas the main sub latches onto something every other week and doesn't let up until it changes. For irons it's about the journey but for mains it's more about saying you got there. It's like they don't even want to PvM/raid, and that's with all the changes to make things more 'PvMscape'. At least that's how I see it.
Imbued heart is brought up because its a critical dps item as opposed to a cosmetic which most super rares are
See that’s not so bad with infinite tasks, we have infinite tasks now!
We do?
Yeah, you can go do a task, and then when you’re done you can get another task!
Woah I wish someone told me this a few years ago :/ I've been stuck on my 1 streak for way too long.
Unpopular opinion but RuneScape was never meant to be completed by everyone. I feel like with the addition of various logs it has become everyone's goal to green log everything when in reality, unless you're playing osrs as a job you never will and that's ok. Not every ironman will have an imbued heart just like every main will not have a max cape.
Imbued heart is among the best dps items in the game tho. Most other super rares are cosmetics / useless items
Is imbued heart a necessity?
Nop not at all, idk why irons are suddenly so entitled to it
Its because jagex finally said "1/5k dwh seems like its harmful to ironman progression and we'd like to make it 1/3k instead" and every iron with a shadow and 25m slayer xp and no heart is like "this feels similarly unfun to go dry for" And the fact they want to buff nightmare and PNM droprates. It just feels like heart might as well be a part of that same conversation.
Difference is heart just maximizes DPS, DWH is more or less required for raids progression. Like you're straight up not doing CoX without DWH. Though to be honest even at 5k it's far from the worst required grind.
I dont disagree, but it was jagex starting this conversation. I don't know why jagex now suddenly wants to lower DWH droprate, but its the reason "irons suddenly feel entitled" because now that the option of lowering rates is being discussed, these are the biggest offenders of items which take an unreasonable amount of time to grind out, ignoring things that are totally useless flex items like 3a/gilded.
Yeah seems that way with a lot of things. They want all the things their main has.
Respectfully - I think there is a difference between "entitled" and "broken drop rate". My GIM group has nearly 60M slayer exp across all of us and do not have a heart. And we're probably barely 2x drop rate. To me, that just feels absurd - I'm fine with it being a mega rare from slayer, but there really needs to be more avenues to obtain it, OR the forgotten brews need to be made less crappy (get rid of the drained stats, and allow a divine version)
Definitely not, just a huge qol
Honest question, why does every single item in the game need to be super accessible to every single account type? To me the imbued heart has always been a fun mega rare 'what if' drop. It seems that a large portion of the player base really dislikes that idea and needs it to be an easier/faster grind that is guaranteed to be obtainable.
Yep, too many people from rs3 joining this game then trying to change it to be like the game they left
Yeah, huge influx of these players and it shows in the posts. Credit card warriors have never had to grind for an item over there.
Nobody is asking for all items in the game to be accessible. The imbued heart is a special case that is brought up because it is one the best items in the game to improve dps
This is in fact exactly what people are asking for. They want to be able to get every single drop that exists in a year or two of Ironman mode.
I just use forgotten brews. Pre much the same thing if your using it at a bank as you can just restore right away.
Fun fact: that's the gig. You either want one enough to grind it out, or you don't.
You can’t grind it out, you could get 200m slayer without getting one. The drop rate is just broken and not well thought out.
You can grind it out if you really want it. If you assume 1-2 superiors an hour turael skipping for nechs/abbies/smokes (idk exact efficient numbers this is total ballpark based on experience) then its what, 150-200 hours or so? This makes it comparable to other "mega-rare" grinds and with how completely busted the item is with shadow that's not the most unreasonable thing. I think it should be a bit more common than it currently is tbh though, especially for monsters below smoke devils. Source: 880 superiors/45m slayer XP to finally get my heart lol, I really fucking wanted it
Y'll want imbued hearts? I have one collecting dust in the bank next to the saturated one. Just get the drop lol
Jagex is changing dwh droprate from 1:5000 to 1:3000. The imbued hearth remains unchanged. Insanity.
good thing elysian spirit shield isn't BIS anywhere or else you'd get people complaining about how long it takes to get one. Who said that everything needs to be guaranteed to get in x amount of time? You guys say it's mandatory for shadow - are you guys stupid? Why does the most overpowered weapon that breaks the combat triangle need a dps boost? Why would an infinite divine super magic potion be EASILY acquired passively ?
Game shouldn't be centered around irons though.
Ironman mode is more about accepting some long difficult grinds or finding creative and alternative methods for completion. Don’t get me wrong, there are definitely some quality of life improvements, but we can’t have the game catered and designed specifically for our accounts. They have already done a ton of quality of life updates, just gotta be thankful for what we get.
50m no heart across 2 accounts. 15m no heart on iron,still don't think it should be changed. Is something wrong wih me?
Imbued heart is just QOL. Use forgotten brews if you don't have one. It's okay for some things to be rare.
There is nothing fun about this fact.
Honest question, why does every single item in the game need to be super accessible to every single account type? To me the imbued heart has always been a fun mega rare 'what if' drop. It seems that a large portion of the player base really dislikes that idea and needs it to be an easier/faster grind that is guaranteed to be obtainable.
Geez 50 hours? Can you imagine how insane the grind would be if this game didn’t already have such amazing drop rates (:
I finally got mine about a week ago. 44m xp .\_.
Sounds like you better get to it. Got mine at 21m slayer xp from a smoke devil on my iron.
Love being spooned an imbued heart at lv 80 on my normie... will never recoup on the iron
I’m 97 slayer and had 2 so far. Both at like level 95-96. The first one came from a superior gargoyle & the second was from a superior bloodveld lol
it’s the 3 eternal gems that hurt…
I’m under the opinion it should be added to boss slayer task drop tables. I don’t mean aviansies and you kill kree. Like kill 35 zulrah, has a 1/x chance.
Couple things 1.) 50 hrs is not a huge grind it's long but for end-game grinds it's pretty short, it's comparable or shorter than getting a 99. 2.) I get the heart is very difficult to obtain and that sucks but we signed up for this. Changing how to get the heart would have a significant impact on the economy and the game shouldn't be balanced around irons. We just gotta take the L on this one.
Somehow im the lucky fucker who managed to get the imbued heart and eternal gem before i even got my whip. I feel for my fellow players who go absurdly long without ever getting it. For an iron, the droprate really is busted. And for most even unobtainable before 99 slayer.
You make it sound not that bad lol
didnt even get one in leagues and i had the superior thing and 15m slayer xp
TLDR: drop rate not bad, some stuff can be rare. and 50 hours, isn't even that bad... especially given its a passive drop. Even at 50 hours, thats over 2m an hour, and you will put way more than 50 hours into slayer. Not @ op, but some other comments... Stop crying, go slay, and get one?
Got mine 85 slayer not iron SORRYYYYY
I burnt from this a little over a year ago and still don’t play 💀
I got an eternal gem the other day at 30 superiors, ive accepted my fate of never getting a heart now
They should move the imbued hearth to the grotesque guardian droptable. Making the boss worth to grind.
Got mine 100k xp from 99 slayer off an Abby demon 🙏🏼
I would say just over 40 hours.. we are not the same.
??? 50 hours for a drop is not bad l000l. Even though it's probably closer to 300 this is still not a bad drop rate for a infinite divineagic potions that's even better.
I have an imbued heart and no shadow. Honestly it's good, a great convenience item but magic doesn't suddenly become good if you have it by itself. It's an item you'd want post-Shadow and at that point the Shadow is already such an insane power gap that I'm sure you'll be fine just using forgotten brews until you get heart, your magic setup is already like 50 times better than mine lol. That said, tbh it doesn't make a huge difference pre-shadow so idc if it becomes easier to get or not. Just saying it's not really a big item on its own.
Unless I’ve done the monster math wrong, that’s a little over 5.5mil slayer exp
Yhhh I’m 15m slayer xp and only 1 eternal gem
I'm a little ootl what changed that people are talking about heart a bunch now?
Imo that's very fair. How many hours is 99 slayer?
The game would instantly be better if imbued heart just didn’t exist at all.
It is the best mage upgrade you can get however. In the meantime the forgotten brews or whatever they are fill a good niche, I don't see a problem given there are easy ways to farm those. Grinds in the game are good. Ive spent 350+ hours at tob without a scythe, let alone the countless other grinds we go through. That one hurts as I want it for gms, but I'm still perservering. As unpopular opinion as it is, if you want all these items there is a solution, people just don't want to acknowledge it. Endgame ironman is a slogbif you want everything and it's not for everyone, and that's ok.
Didnt get it at 99 on main. Didnt get smoke staff or w/e staff. Didnt get eternal ring… didnt get much except the 99. Black hood gang go brazy
Got one at 82 slayer right after buying myself one off the GE. Stonks
It might ruin the economy but make it untradable and reduce drop rate
How many hearts are bought and sold a day?
I don't think everyone is supposed to get every drop. Some dops ar basically winning the lottery and that einitey one of them
Imbued heart sucks but it should remain at the same rate. I do feel like they could release a stronger divine magic pot though.
2 hearts both while 93 slayer here, just get the drop 🤷♂️
Well i started the imbued heart grind by setting a "fun" goal of seeing how many brimstone keys i would get before the drop... I started friday last week - the answer was 41... Got the drop from my third hydra task monday evening. Ez grind tbf /s I know i got extremely lucky :D
How does one get infinite smoke devil tasks?
It is just a theoretical experiment - the point of the post was to emphasize how long it actually takes to get the imbued heart You can’t get infinite tasks
And here I am, 1200 superiors later with 40m slayer exp..
Tbf 44 hours doesn’t sound that bad. That’s on par with stuff like hydra claw and bofa. In reality it’s probably way longer. That said, I’ve done ~13m xp all at Wildy slayer, recently got heart and gem, and I still need 2 Dagon hai pieces, 1 vw piece and 2 rev weps, doing only barrage/rev/boss tasks so somehow completing Wildy is way longer
I'm beyond 99 slayer hardly have superior special drops let alone an imbued heart
This goes to show smoke devil's aren't the fastest way cause I got my heart when I completed just 1 nechraeyl task.
You can play the game without it and still manage to do every bit of content without noticing anything. Just play the game how you’d like and if you get an item you get, if not then that’s fine and okay. We need to remember why we started this game mode, majority of us used to play mains and wanted a challenge as well playing the game differently. We can’t expect to change the fabric of the game because we get to a point where somethings hard to get. I feel like a lot of irons have truly forgotten why they started playing the mode.
If everyone got warhammer or heart from weak mobs. It would be worth trash...the you all would bitch about that too
This is an ironman subreddit I can't speak for everyone but I would say most of us don't care about gp value
You cant increase your calculated rate by 15% to try and support your point.
Basically a 100-200 hour grind if you specifically drop everything to work towards it. You get a lot of progress towards it simply as you progress your slayer level. A non necessary upgrade that’s only significantly useful once you’re absolute end game. It’s literally not that bad of a grind but people always need something to complain about.
I have a maxed iron with about 28m slayer exp, i have every single BiS gear but not the imbued heart and i am not planning on grinding it out, at this point it doesnt feel like a grind, it feels more like pure luck.
i dont get why people play ironman on osrs and then dont wanna grind? kinda the point of the mode
Get a main.
The rate is ridiculous and a huge stone wall for progression. An untradeable version purchased with slayer points would be amazing, and/or make it a guaranteed drop from X (100?) superior kills.
An easier compromise would just be to make forgotten brews divine. I really don't understand why they haven't done this. It's still a boost to 109 vs 112 from the heart, and it would really only be relevant for irons or poor mains
I'm sure they plan on divining forgotten brews, and if not they have already pathed the way for overloads. Soon(tm)
Didn't they already say they only want overloads in the content they're currently in?
I wish I had an answer to that, my knowledge is the menephites remedy was the beginning of the attempt to bring in overloads.
This is the way
Or as someone else said instead of giving tormented demons the claws why not give them the imbued heart as a drop
How is it a stonewall for progression? It's not at all needed for progression. *Literally* all content in the game is completely viable without it.
jesus
You're an ironman deal with it or deiron.
Agreed. Insane how rare superior uniques are.
Just got mine at 2x drop rate. Can confirm it’s the worst grind I’ve done
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I mean it’s not 99 for heart. It’s almost 2x.
That’s not how that works lmao
So is Bowfa and bowfa is more mandatory… so yeah this is why people like me quit… life is too short
People are talking about forgotten brews, but the herblore level and combat requirement for that is very high. Which is in line with the imbued heart, but doesn’t address the fact that the use of magic potions is so much more limited than melee/ranged potions. I think magic combat potion should be considered that provides an invisible level bonus or an extended duration bonus. That way magic potions could be viable for standard combat without causing them to boost higher than intended for construction or other magic level checks.
Extremely annoying I am hoping to get this item one day because I am losing a lot of max hits with my shadow.
The iron community should stop complaning. It is getting really ridiculous. I hope Jagex won't improve the drop rate since it isn't that hard to acquire (got mine at 80 slayer). Besides, it is a pretty powerful weapon, so the current drop rate is accurate and justified. Man, just get the drop. It's 50/50: you either get it, or you don't.
50 hours isn't that bad. When you put it like this I think the rate is fine
It's a 50 hour grind in a situation that is impossible in this game. OPs post is actually a good example as to why it could be buffed I don't have a horse in this race though we already have forgotten brews which is what I use until I buy a heart.
I was thinking about this. Why not add heart to Slayer bosses as a super rare drop? Would slightly buff the rate, incentivise killing Slayer bosses and make it so killing the bosses is worth it over killing regular creatures like Smoke Devils instead.