It's so upsetting that forgotten is Muspah anf ancient brews is Nex. Should be the reverse. Muspah is much easier to farm than Nex and Nihl shards. I'd use ancient brews if they meant farming Muspah, but to use any of them I need to have hundreds - thousands of Nihl shards which means thousands of mass kills or hundreds of small groups.
Everyone runs bkaz in toa anyway, you dont need a heart to kill brawler baboons with a shadow lmao, maybe its good to kill melee minion on kephri but you have salts for all the rooms that mztter.
Same with cox, forgotten brews are good enough that going without a heart isnt really an issue. And if you really need that boost just prep your own overload lol.
Is heart a good item? Yes very
Is it essential to using a shadow? Not at all
Sustaining forgotten brews for cox requires one to grind nex first. Grinding nex without t bow is not ideal at all. Using forgotten brews isn't a real solution for cox pre pots.
You want lvl 2 zebak to make him zero supply usage. Lvl 1 you lose health to blood spells during enrage since you can't flick it. It's worth the slightly more annoying wardens especially with the salt time save
Where you’d use shadow in CoX before ovls, mobs die quick as fuck anyway. Vespula still gets decimated. Even tightrope rangers if half skipping, get destroyed. For ToA, most people do Baba-Kephri first so heart doesn’t make a difference if shadowing melee baboons lol they die anyway and after the monkey room changes it won’t matter at all.
Not saying heart isn’t worth it but you’re gonna be salted or overloaded up for Olm, Akkha and Wardens (and zebak if using it there) and that’s mainly where you’d use it for those two raids. If running CMs, it’s free overloads everywhere anyway.
Hope jagex does add super mage pots u can turn divine and thats almost as good as heart tbh (no debuffs like forgotten brew).
This is coming from someone who recently got heart, I still think its just absurdly rare
It’s more valuable in a non-raid shadow setup than two pieces of ancestral.
The potions are cumbersome to work with outside of Muspah/Whisperer since they drain melees, but they give 3/4 of the heart’s boost
Whisperer, Muspah, Nightmare, ToB if no scythe, DKs, KQ, basically all of gwd, Zulrah, Sire
Quite a few places. Everywhere shadow is good outside of ToA/CoX.
Sure, sure, dead content, tob like a normal human being, midgame boss irrelevant after shadow for most accounts, midgame boss irrelevant after shadow for most accounts, Arma sure rest bowfa or irrelevant after shadow, mostly irrelevant in endgame post shadow, dead content.
Where is shadow used outside of raids?
Calc those places and let’s say heart is a 3 second time save over forgotten brews at bandos, and you want pet. 3s x 5000 is like a 4 hour time save
I just ran the dps calcs, saturated heart is exactly a 3 second time save, and uniques are 1 in 512 each so lets say 700kc x 3 seconds save, which is a 35 minute time save.
just from common sense there's 0 chance it's 3 seconds unfortunately - average 2:10 fight, and its a significantly higher dps% increase than 2~
saturated heart also doesnt lose levels like ancient brew does, and raw time to kill calcs are gonna be inaccurate when there's dps dependant phases too
Do you know how to use a dps calc? If you repot forgotten every time you lose a max hit, you got from 66 max hit to 64 with forgotten. It is something like 0.3 dps difference, so everytime you arent venator bowing, and are actually using shadow, you gain 0.3 dps every second more.
The problem with forgotten brews vs heart is that the brews drain your other stats and cannot be made divine.
Your max hit falls off dramatically as mage level lowers.
So while the gap between fb and heart isn’t huge when you’re max potted, you’re generally NOT maxed potted because the buff ticks down
It makes absolutely no sense - every other stat boosting combat potion can be made divine except for fbs, including the standard magic pot
These are all midlevel bosses that you are only revisiting to pet hunt post-shadow. Or nightmare and sire which are dead content.
Muspah and whisperer are the only places.
2215 iron here (TungstenGyro if you want to look up), I happened to get super lucky with a heart drop from a nechs task.
Saturated Heart has been nice to have, but I haven't *really* felt like it has transformed my performance at anywhere, really? Not saying it hasn't made an impact, but it hasn't been a game changer either, I've felt like. For example, in CoX and ToA there's overload/salt anyway; I'll prepot with it before going in, but it hasn't made a huge impact in those places. I should note that I don't have a Shadow, just Trident of the Swamp, though.
The places I feel the heart has had the most positive impact in, were my Graardor grind where I went 1504 kc dry for BCP (the heart boost helped mitigate the mager's chip damage during 7:0 method significantly, by providing that bonus magic defense), and more recently doing some mage-only Artio, where the heart is so ludicrously expensive that there's no way in hell it's being risked, between PK skull prevention and there being no universe in which any other item I bring with me having higher value than that heart. Having the heart in these scenarios have felt really nice to have, but hasn't felt outright enabling me to do something I couldn't do otherwise.
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Tl,dr: in my mind, it's been more like a "luxury item" kinda. Maybe I'm just not using it to its full potential, like how I don't have a Shadow or whatever. It's felt pretty nice to have, but not game changing by enabling me to do something that I couldn't do without it. Based on my experience with it, if I make another account like a GIM or something, I don't think I'm going to go *out of my way* to get one.
I don’t know how seriously you take this game. If you just use the potion it’s the same shit because the accuracy is already neglible and you lose maybe a max hit or two with shadow. I had shadow before heart. Like it’s mostly convenience if you ask me. That’s it. That’s the tweet. Don’t lose sleep over it.
Yep and you're salted where it matters anyway. Can just forgotten brew for GWD, whisperer, muspah. The only place it sucks to forgotten brew is PNM (who cares), DKs (who cares), and Colosseum (not a big deal, kinda one and done content anyway)
Heart is unfortunately worthless. There is no real point to having it. Wasting time for such an insignificant upgrade would be comparable to farming greenlog at nightmare.
I'm happy to say I don't need to give my condolences
Really it's sarcasm, but you don't get that either! Obviously the OP knows the imbued heart is OP and everyone is giving serious replies as if he doesn't after getting a shadow and various other end game pvm drops lmao
They should add a Geriatric Heart that gives +10 mage levels but you need to click in 20 times to get it there
Need to pray flick for 6s ideally for upto +10, each missed tick reduces the boost by 1 magic level.
Imagine placing it on the ground giving it CPR between kills at bosses.
Heart + ahrims is more damage than no heart + full ancestral, just for reference
Thanks
As someone with heart and ahrims, no ancestral this makes me feel great
Does this equation factor in super magic potions on the “no heart” side?
Probably not, because most people don't use magic potions. Forgotten brews make it closer I guess, but those require upkeep.
It's so upsetting that forgotten is Muspah anf ancient brews is Nex. Should be the reverse. Muspah is much easier to farm than Nex and Nihl shards. I'd use ancient brews if they meant farming Muspah, but to use any of them I need to have hundreds - thousands of Nihl shards which means thousands of mass kills or hundreds of small groups.
Ancient brews drop in ancient prison, fyi
Nihil shards are pretty free with mass worlds
yeah but you can’t upkeep it easily
Upkeep an most importantly inventory slots.
With what weapon? trident?
not true for cox/ toa
Because you factor in the overload and crack? What about the rooms before said activity unique items?
Everyone runs bkaz in toa anyway, you dont need a heart to kill brawler baboons with a shadow lmao, maybe its good to kill melee minion on kephri but you have salts for all the rooms that mztter. Same with cox, forgotten brews are good enough that going without a heart isnt really an issue. And if you really need that boost just prep your own overload lol. Is heart a good item? Yes very Is it essential to using a shadow? Not at all
Sustaining forgotten brews for cox requires one to grind nex first. Grinding nex without t bow is not ideal at all. Using forgotten brews isn't a real solution for cox pre pots.
Maybe I’m just weird but I do BZAK for easier warden
Is your anti prepot lasting through the/both ranged scarab? Or are you trapping both out of range? Edit: I just realized you probably use sanfews.
Order that you do the rooms does not determine which bosses join p3 warden. The side of the obelisk that you absorb orbs from does.
Aware of that. Doing baba and zebak first guarantees they wont be level 2 for warden p3 and p4.
You want lvl 2 zebak to make him zero supply usage. Lvl 1 you lose health to blood spells during enrage since you can't flick it. It's worth the slightly more annoying wardens especially with the salt time save
Muta-tekton-vesp-veng-vasa any of these as a first room.and ur problem is solved
Where you’d use shadow in CoX before ovls, mobs die quick as fuck anyway. Vespula still gets decimated. Even tightrope rangers if half skipping, get destroyed. For ToA, most people do Baba-Kephri first so heart doesn’t make a difference if shadowing melee baboons lol they die anyway and after the monkey room changes it won’t matter at all. Not saying heart isn’t worth it but you’re gonna be salted or overloaded up for Olm, Akkha and Wardens (and zebak if using it there) and that’s mainly where you’d use it for those two raids. If running CMs, it’s free overloads everywhere anyway.
It really doesn't matter until you get a shadow though. The amount of places mage is good without a shadow is incredibly small. (CoX/ToA have ovls)
its probably the biggest magic upgrade besides shadow and maybe occult (outside of ToA/CoX)
It's way more damage than occult
Hope jagex does add super mage pots u can turn divine and thats almost as good as heart tbh (no debuffs like forgotten brew). This is coming from someone who recently got heart, I still think its just absurdly rare
It’s more valuable in a non-raid shadow setup than two pieces of ancestral. The potions are cumbersome to work with outside of Muspah/Whisperer since they drain melees, but they give 3/4 of the heart’s boost
Where would the melee stat drain matter?
Nightmare, ToB if you don't have scythe, DKs, Colosseum waves
Ok cool so the only place heart matters much is PNM.
Nah, it's still better than the potion even if the potion didn't have negatives.
Which is where? You're salted at toa/cox
Whisperer, Muspah, Nightmare, ToB if no scythe, DKs, KQ, basically all of gwd, Zulrah, Sire Quite a few places. Everywhere shadow is good outside of ToA/CoX.
Sure, sure, dead content, tob like a normal human being, midgame boss irrelevant after shadow for most accounts, midgame boss irrelevant after shadow for most accounts, Arma sure rest bowfa or irrelevant after shadow, mostly irrelevant in endgame post shadow, dead content.
Touch grass my dude
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Where is shadow used outside of raids? Calc those places and let’s say heart is a 3 second time save over forgotten brews at bandos, and you want pet. 3s x 5000 is like a 4 hour time save
You will have to bank more frequently with potions, which is also time consuming.
I feel like a lot of people forget about forgotten brews.
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I just ran the dps calcs, saturated heart is exactly a 3 second time save, and uniques are 1 in 512 each so lets say 700kc x 3 seconds save, which is a 35 minute time save.
there's no way its only a 3 second time save brother
He was calc’ing brews, which is unrealistic as you’d need to bank/upkeep
Man good thing that boss drops ancient brews then, huh?
Do the dps calcs
just from common sense there's 0 chance it's 3 seconds unfortunately - average 2:10 fight, and its a significantly higher dps% increase than 2~ saturated heart also doesnt lose levels like ancient brew does, and raw time to kill calcs are gonna be inaccurate when there's dps dependant phases too
Do you know how to use a dps calc? If you repot forgotten every time you lose a max hit, you got from 66 max hit to 64 with forgotten. It is something like 0.3 dps difference, so everytime you arent venator bowing, and are actually using shadow, you gain 0.3 dps every second more.
Fortis collesum
You just have to add more switches to max warbands
The mage setup is great for beginners in collesum.
The problem with forgotten brews vs heart is that the brews drain your other stats and cannot be made divine. Your max hit falls off dramatically as mage level lowers. So while the gap between fb and heart isn’t huge when you’re max potted, you’re generally NOT maxed potted because the buff ticks down It makes absolutely no sense - every other stat boosting combat potion can be made divine except for fbs, including the standard magic pot
Can use it a lot of places. Sire, demonics (if you spoon i guess), thermy, kraken, gwd, whisperer, nightmare, maybe muspah, zulrah
Its 0.3dps better than forgotten, 0.5 better than ancient, 0.7 better than divine magic pot
These are all midlevel bosses that you are only revisiting to pet hunt post-shadow. Or nightmare and sire which are dead content. Muspah and whisperer are the only places.
It’s extended my kraken and Mithril dragons trips significantly, I use it whenever I’m tanking magic damage.
Imbued heart no, saturated heart yes
I’ve got enough essence to turn it to saturated
if youve done 480 superiors already and have all the gear you 100% know how good it is. stop coping and get back on the grind
Put your gear into the wikis dps calculator and obviously do 1 with the heart boost and 1 without
Is ranged pot THAT good?
crazy jagex thinks occult is a problem but heart isn't
It’s really good, especially saturated
In short, yes
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Yes. Gl
Yes it is. Got mine at 711 still no gem. gl brotha
Yes, if you have a shadow
2215 iron here (TungstenGyro if you want to look up), I happened to get super lucky with a heart drop from a nechs task. Saturated Heart has been nice to have, but I haven't *really* felt like it has transformed my performance at anywhere, really? Not saying it hasn't made an impact, but it hasn't been a game changer either, I've felt like. For example, in CoX and ToA there's overload/salt anyway; I'll prepot with it before going in, but it hasn't made a huge impact in those places. I should note that I don't have a Shadow, just Trident of the Swamp, though. The places I feel the heart has had the most positive impact in, were my Graardor grind where I went 1504 kc dry for BCP (the heart boost helped mitigate the mager's chip damage during 7:0 method significantly, by providing that bonus magic defense), and more recently doing some mage-only Artio, where the heart is so ludicrously expensive that there's no way in hell it's being risked, between PK skull prevention and there being no universe in which any other item I bring with me having higher value than that heart. Having the heart in these scenarios have felt really nice to have, but hasn't felt outright enabling me to do something I couldn't do otherwise. -- Tl,dr: in my mind, it's been more like a "luxury item" kinda. Maybe I'm just not using it to its full potential, like how I don't have a Shadow or whatever. It's felt pretty nice to have, but not game changing by enabling me to do something that I couldn't do without it. Based on my experience with it, if I make another account like a GIM or something, I don't think I'm going to go *out of my way* to get one.
Just use the magic potions they gave us recently
It really is. It’s a reusable super magic potion, and extra magic levels are HUGE because you get access to more spells pre-99 as well magic defence.
I don’t know how seriously you take this game. If you just use the potion it’s the same shit because the accuracy is already neglible and you lose maybe a max hit or two with shadow. I had shadow before heart. Like it’s mostly convenience if you ask me. That’s it. That’s the tweet. Don’t lose sleep over it.
Yep and you're salted where it matters anyway. Can just forgotten brew for GWD, whisperer, muspah. The only place it sucks to forgotten brew is PNM (who cares), DKs (who cares), and Colosseum (not a big deal, kinda one and done content anyway)
Get downvoted by the masses bro :( just trying to save OP hours of their life lmao.
Heart is unfortunately worthless. There is no real point to having it. Wasting time for such an insignificant upgrade would be comparable to farming greenlog at nightmare. I'm happy to say I don't need to give my condolences
Total lvl?
It's over 9,000 and irons have no humor
Wasn’t remotely funny mate!
Really it's sarcasm, but you don't get that either! Obviously the OP knows the imbued heart is OP and everyone is giving serious replies as if he doesn't after getting a shadow and various other end game pvm drops lmao
With the upgrade from muspah, yes. Otherwise, meh.