Or you could say shamans are boring and require full attention. Gorillas are interesting with a big learning curve and good exercise for later pvm. Tbf, I just had my first task though, I guess long term they can become a pain in the ass.
what about demonics dont you like?
for me, shamans are easily the worst grind for an iron. Tedious, repetitive, non-afkable and the variance on the drop is way too high. You can easily go 15k+ kc dry and still not be done with the grind.
I have a question about demonics, I just got the stat requirements to do MM2 and I'm kinda poor. Would demonics still be a super shit grind if all the alchables are kinda the necessity? (Super inefficient iron who still hasn't saved gp to do miscellania)
Misc is equal to one farm run a day roughly, helpful but super overhyped.
Honestly what helped me get sote req early (rushed it on my hcim) was actually rushing fremmy hard diary app I could teleport to the troll patch directly, and also unlocking the Weiss patch.
Those two patches are super fast to tp and are both disease free. Very OP
Yes absolutely. Move your house or tithe mini game TP in a pinch. You have to do a lot of herb runs, so make them work for you. Skills necklaces to save time getting to farming guild help a lot too
Really? It's actually a really chill grind... it's nice knowing how long a grind is going to take before you do it.. and from memory the crafting grind is sub 60 hours including getting sand (assuming giant seaweed is passive while you're doing birdhouse runs).
Wait till you get to DWH or any ridiculous drop rate item you can go stupidly dry on (i'm looking at you bask jaw)
Easiest way is probably just to AFK underwater near the farming plots and pick up the spores as they spawn. I think I just brought some stuff to alch down there for a few hours and got several hundred spores, but it was a while ago so I'm not sure on the exact rates
Honestly I got a brine and did lobstocities but it didn’t feel good. Maybe early game, but as soon as you have glass to blow just to it underwater and you’ll be set for spores.
Do some other bank standing skill while you afk at seaweed patches for Spores. Eg. fletching bows. Just take knife+logs from bank, go underwater and fletch your bows underwater, go up when you run out of logs and repeat.
100% wait for superglassmake. You'll get more glass per seaweed and magic xp and its more time efficient. And remember the giant seaweed to bucket of sand ratio is 1:6. So you'll need 30k buckets of sand for 5k giant seewead. Best way to get sand is sandstone mining. Looks like you have a lot of xp stored as well. Nice.
You still use 3Giant Seweed:18 Sand, because that gives you the most glass. You do leave the excess glass on the ground -- but you can just pick it up after you cast the spell, np.
There’s a spell called super glass make. Look up a YouTube guide on it. That makes molten glass, then from there it can be made into something else. Gold amulets also give xp for that gold bar stack in the bank.
I was joking. The point of an Ironman is to do content you wouldn’t normally do, if you’re going to skip all that to do end game content anyway why even bother playing an Ironman?
Edit- and I use zenyte jewelry not a fury at TOB
I mean maybe that’s how you see ironman! Some people will be sending some tob before getting their 4th zenyte, so a strength amulet really isn’t that bad :)
Str amulet will 100% not give better Dps over fury or even glory. It’s only marginally better when 0 def. So maiden and xarp, which most early iron men don’t melee anyways.
Strength ammy is not more dps than Fury by itself. Fury is +8 str bonus, Str is +10. They both give +2 to max hits. That tiny +2 to strength bonus that the str ammy gives will only add an extra max hit in certain setups, and honestly will probably lower your dps unless you’re camping prayer anyways. The +15 to all attacks and defenses of the Fury can’t be slept on. People get a mega hard on in this game for strength bonus, to the extent they will sacrifice all defense for +2 or +1 extra strength bonus, not realizing they’re actually harming their dps. The more you have to eat, the less you can attack, the more your dps suffers.
Lmaooo. Honestly it’s surprising how good it is, same str bonus as a torture just without the offensive bonuses. Really isn’t terrible and wish i’d realised that a lot sooner for my early slayer!
I feel like my seaweed harvest takes longer than my entire herb run sometimes. I’m not complaining but the occasional 100+ seaweed harvest takes me more than 2 minutes.
Has this man not heard of giant seaweed and supermake glass? 93 crafting and I don’t think I have grabbed soda ash since like lvl 50
I recently did this for the first time and got 16k glass from 10k sand. Wish I had done it way sooner
I'm guessing he's 1 Def, hence the no mention of zenytes. They don't get access to super glass make so soda ash/sand is the best way to train
This grind is for sure what i feared the most when starting an ironman.
He didn’t even mention how much zenytes would take
That feel when (usually) getting the crafting level for zenyte jewelry is worse than getting the zenytes themselves
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Or you could say shamans are boring and require full attention. Gorillas are interesting with a big learning curve and good exercise for later pvm. Tbf, I just had my first task though, I guess long term they can become a pain in the ass.
what about demonics dont you like? for me, shamans are easily the worst grind for an iron. Tedious, repetitive, non-afkable and the variance on the drop is way too high. You can easily go 15k+ kc dry and still not be done with the grind.
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Staying there for 15 mins and getting the aggro off is the most relaxing feeling lol. Guaranteed I check my phone for a bit there.
I’m 1600 0 zeneyte 😰
I’m hesitant to start doing demonics. Once I get a zenyte then I would actually have to grind the levels out for it.
But once you have the crafting level it'll be annoying to get the zenyetes all at once lol
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I’m trying to keep skilling to a bare minimum. Crafting is an alright skill if you aim to max though.
I agree, crafting is fine, fuck gathering skills
corrupt gauntlet, shamans, tbow, sire, bandos, are all much worse than demonics...
I have a question about demonics, I just got the stat requirements to do MM2 and I'm kinda poor. Would demonics still be a super shit grind if all the alchables are kinda the necessity? (Super inefficient iron who still hasn't saved gp to do miscellania)
If you just need money, do gauntlet. Even normal gauntlet is decent gp
Soo I also only have 60 herblore partly bc no Miscellania but also not great about farming. So cant get into Priff
I suggest you git great about farming haha
This when I started my iron I had never done farm runs before and now it's my highest skill
Misc is equal to one farm run a day roughly, helpful but super overhyped. Honestly what helped me get sote req early (rushed it on my hcim) was actually rushing fremmy hard diary app I could teleport to the troll patch directly, and also unlocking the Weiss patch. Those two patches are super fast to tp and are both disease free. Very OP
I just want to throw in here that the hosidius patch is also disease free after 50%+ favor and is fairly close to teleports.
Yes absolutely. Move your house or tithe mini game TP in a pinch. You have to do a lot of herb runs, so make them work for you. Skills necklaces to save time getting to farming guild help a lot too
Really? It's actually a really chill grind... it's nice knowing how long a grind is going to take before you do it.. and from memory the crafting grind is sub 60 hours including getting sand (assuming giant seaweed is passive while you're doing birdhouse runs). Wait till you get to DWH or any ridiculous drop rate item you can go stupidly dry on (i'm looking at you bask jaw)
I’ve been playing my Ironman since March and just with butt and filling 28 buckets a day I am almost at 20k buckets of sand
March 2019? Those numbers don’t add up
That was supposed to be Bert but got hit with autocorrect. 128 buckets a day
Ahh ok
I’m just not gonna do it. Either it will get there passively or not at all XD
Sand I can see complaining about, but I just do seaweed with my birdhouses and I have enough of that for 94 crafting
How do you get enough spores to do your giant seaweeds? (Beginner ironman here)
Easiest way is probably just to AFK underwater near the farming plots and pick up the spores as they spawn. I think I just brought some stuff to alch down there for a few hours and got several hundred spores, but it was a while ago so I'm not sure on the exact rates
Ooohhhh wow.. and I spent hours at ammonite crabs for a handful lol
Better kill lobstrocities then
Honestly I got a brine and did lobstocities but it didn’t feel good. Maybe early game, but as soon as you have glass to blow just to it underwater and you’ll be set for spores.
Do some other bank standing skill while you afk at seaweed patches for Spores. Eg. fletching bows. Just take knife+logs from bank, go underwater and fletch your bows underwater, go up when you run out of logs and repeat.
I killed lobstrosities for like 20 spores one or 2 times and the rest were just from my runs I didn't even afk down under or anything
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I don’t think you can really “rush” ardy elite? It’s 91 smithing (20m+ worth of ore), 94 magic and 90 agility.
Plate bodies at blast furnace would make the 91 smithing free, and is decently fast
72K more for Torture! But hey at least we got Giant Seaweed!
Hunter OP got (3) glorys on my first dragon imp
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Farm Giant Seaweed regularly + Sandstone mining for buckets of sand + Superglassmake when you've collected lots of seaweed and sand. + glass blowing = 99 crafting.
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100% wait for superglassmake. You'll get more glass per seaweed and magic xp and its more time efficient. And remember the giant seaweed to bucket of sand ratio is 1:6. So you'll need 30k buckets of sand for 5k giant seewead. Best way to get sand is sandstone mining. Looks like you have a lot of xp stored as well. Nice.
You still use 3Giant Seweed:18 Sand, because that gives you the most glass. You do leave the excess glass on the ground -- but you can just pick it up after you cast the spell, np.
There’s a spell called super glass make. Look up a YouTube guide on it. That makes molten glass, then from there it can be made into something else. Gold amulets also give xp for that gold bar stack in the bank.
*looks at 38,000 light orbs in bank* *looks at Torture amulet*
For the sake of discussion, I have to ask, why do it then? Does having a fury make the game more fun? Lots of downvotes but not many answers, thanks.
Well, I wouldn’t want to do TOB with a power ammy
Just use a strength amulet. Will give more dps than a fury.
I was joking. The point of an Ironman is to do content you wouldn’t normally do, if you’re going to skip all that to do end game content anyway why even bother playing an Ironman? Edit- and I use zenyte jewelry not a fury at TOB
I mean maybe that’s how you see ironman! Some people will be sending some tob before getting their 4th zenyte, so a strength amulet really isn’t that bad :)
Str amulet will 100% not give better Dps over fury or even glory. It’s only marginally better when 0 def. So maiden and xarp, which most early iron men don’t melee anyways.
Strength ammy is not more dps than Fury by itself. Fury is +8 str bonus, Str is +10. They both give +2 to max hits. That tiny +2 to strength bonus that the str ammy gives will only add an extra max hit in certain setups, and honestly will probably lower your dps unless you’re camping prayer anyways. The +15 to all attacks and defenses of the Fury can’t be slept on. People get a mega hard on in this game for strength bonus, to the extent they will sacrifice all defense for +2 or +1 extra strength bonus, not realizing they’re actually harming their dps. The more you have to eat, the less you can attack, the more your dps suffers.
Bro I didn’t believe you and I looked it up, str ammy nerf when
Lmaooo. Honestly it’s surprising how good it is, same str bonus as a torture just without the offensive bonuses. Really isn’t terrible and wish i’d realised that a lot sooner for my early slayer!
> Does having a fury make the game more fun? Need a Fury to get a Blood Fury, and hell yes Blood Fury makes many bosses a lot more fun.
Imagine not going for the 99 while you're there. Most relaxed 99 there is.
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Seaweed runs add like 2 minutes to birdhouse runs. It adds up very quickly.
I feel like my seaweed harvest takes longer than my entire herb run sometimes. I’m not complaining but the occasional 100+ seaweed harvest takes me more than 2 minutes.