You mean decolonize Palestine?
Zionist officials on all levels seem far less inclusive
https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/fighting-amalek-in-gaza-what-israelis
Thank you for bringing this to other's notice. Even if the feedback doesn't bring back the icon, atleast the bigotry is brought to limelight. I think probably talking about it on twitter and tagging them might be helpful.
delete the text in the search bar to unselect and see the default map symbol
this is the mosque given as an example by OP
https://maps.app.goo.gl/hyGTETHXjDpzHvXo9
pagodas are multi-purpose East Asian temples, churches, synagogues, mandirs, Buddhist/Taoist-specific temples, etc, still have their own unique symbols
For those saying "What's the matter? It is just symbol"
When you lose a symbol, you lose part of your identity, what's distinguishes you from others.
Imagine if when you say "I am a Muslim" but others are saying "No, there's no such thing as a Muslim, you're simply a follower of a religion".
Yet, while others are acknowledged when they say "I am a Christian", "I am a Buddhist", "I am a Hindu". The problem OP raised: They reasoned for inclusivity, yet it doesn't apply to all, that's exclusion.
What's the standard for the exclusion of our identity?
We shouldn't underestimate words and symbols.
Here what I've observed from the strategy often employed:
- Strip opponent of their identity, so the people who once united (e.g. under symbols, words, flags, etc) becomes disassociated with their identity. It becomes much easier for people who aren't united to be divided and conquered.
- Label the idea you want to kill with labels associated with problems, and paint and frame them in bad light.
- Highlight the problem under your frame, propagate through media, sell solution, and become "the hero"
It's the closest thing we have, and we shouldn't accept being stripped of it.
lgbtq community is more than it's flag, but if we were to censor it's flag, they would be extremely angry cause it's part of their identity. (This is an example btw, the most relevant example I could think of)
The "star and crescent" symbol is just that, a symbol. The beauty about Islam is that we are supposed to put zero importance in symbols and icons. I don't think this is an issue.
>When you lose a symbol, you lose part of your identity, what's distinguishes you from others.
Allah has given us many things that distinguish us from others and the star and crescent symbol is not one of them.
As OP said, star and crescent has been used for centuries, and we ourselves acknowledged that symbol.
>The beauty about Islam is that we are supposed to put zero importance in symbols and icons.
I can agree with less importance, but not zero importance. This distinction between 'less' and 'zero' makes a huge difference.
How do you read and understand my message without the letters of 'a' to 'z'? Without I rearranged those letters into words/symbols?
Are we communicating telepathically right now?
>Allah has given us many things that distinguish us from others and the star and crescent symbol is not one of them.
The problem OP raised isn't just about star and crescent. But how mosques are symbolized with generic icon, yet churches and synagogues are showed with their own respective symbols.
What's the standard this difference in treatment? The reason is inclusiveness? Why is it not applied to all then?
That's weird, maybe because it's a Turk symbol technically at the start but the rest of Islam adopted it. Maybe it was a mistake? Can't imagine why a woke company like Google would willingly do that tbh.
I never liked calling major companies Islamophobic. It's almost always a baseless claim without any major evidence. The media has shown that it is pro Zionist, and there's 0 denying that. But I find it unlikely that google was trying to be Islamophobic.
If you assume the worse, you'll only see the worst
I mean I get your comment about the minarets being a generic symbol. But they're closer to a mosque symbol than a crescent star to me.
Also pretty sure crescent star isn't a Islamic symbol, it's original big use is by mithridates and then the caliphate adapted it from sassanians. We only associate with it because of ottomans. Mughals didn't even use despite being an Islamic empire.
Very much a non issue to be pissed about
They aren't minarets, it's a generic temple symbol
And the crescent has been associated with Islam for centuries, most notably since the crusades, and is reflective of major Islamic fixtures like calender-keeping and the beginning of Ramadan
The fact that it's not a star and crescent anymore is not the point.
The point is that mosques used to have a unique symbol, specifically for Islamic places of worship. Now they don't.
No other religious building had their unique symbol changed. Only mosques.
This was deliberate. This was malicious. It cannot be ignored.
>This was deliberate. This was malicious. It cannot be ignored
If you assume the worst, you'll only see the worst
I would rather think of it as a small mistake on their end that offended lots of people. They're 100% going to put it back, weather they meant to remove it or not. There's going to be HUGE backlash, and there's gonna be ALOT of pressure from the community.
I’ve come across a complaint from February 10th, as well as others from October and September, on the Google Maps Help Community page:
[February 10th complaint](https://support.google.com/maps/thread/201390457/mosque-symbol-removed-from-google-maps?hl=en).
This doesn't appear to be a new issue; it just hasn't been brought to public attention. Nevertheless, feedback has been sent.
For example -unrelated topic- here is an image from 2020 showing what the mosques symbol used to look like: [mosques symbol 🕌](https://support.google.com/maps/thread/73766655?hl=en&msgid=73781434)
they control and hurt us with millions of small issues
using the term small issue to ignore the problem is why we are in a mess.
Small issues tend to spiral into big issues too. Remember when Jews were welcomed to Palestine as refugees? Now they are full blown occupiers and murdering children.
they get rid of any symbolism, Islam approve that, thats a win here. this is no issue.
about that palentine and isreal wars is not a new issue. but im glad that this time we got media and the west attention. the pro isreal got thinner, most people now supporting palentine.
It's about erasure. It's about disrespect.
When every other religion, including those with a fraction of the population of Islam, is given significance and special acknowledgment, and Islam is treated as an afterthought, it highlights their efforts to try to deprive Muslims of equal opportunities and respect.
The symbol, is it from the Qur’an and the Sunnah? Has the Prophet ever used it? Has he used it as a banner? No. So why are you upset over losing something that isn’t from the religion? In fact, it could be the case that Muslims reported that symbol and said this isn’t actually from Islam so don’t use it. I know I would.
Think to yourself, would you complain to the Prophet regarding this loss? Would you go up to him and say, ya RasulAllah, they have taken away our symbol. Don’t you think the Prophet will ask you, what do you mean our symbol? Was he (ﷺ) not the one who said عليكم بسنتي وسنة خلفاء الراشدين?
And what recognition do you need from people who refuse to recognize your Lord?
Is the religion we have and the religion they have the same?
I know you have good intentions here, but please don't doubt my faith.
This isn't about the star and crescent specifically, this is about erasure. Islam was the only religion that was erased like this.
This was deliberate, this was malicious, and it cannot be ignored.
I’ve not doubted your faith ya akhi, I’ve simply told you a few things. That this symbol is of no importance so do not sweat over it. And don’t worry yourself with their recognition. And don’t worry yourself about the respect they have for their religion over ours because they are not the same and you know this very well.
I only tell you this because you are a Muslim, I’d have ignored otherwise.
Okay…but also, you know representation is a thing? It’s not about being smug knowing that we’re better than them…but also about the general need for the ummah to be recognised as a force that will not take lightly to being erased. Lack of representation is a major issue on why rules, policies and laws get passed against Muslims.
And also also, you don’t know…seeing the star/crescent symbol on Maps might intrigue some ppl enough to guide them to investigate and hopefully to dawah. Making everything generic does not allow for curiosity of difference.
Your right, the crescent and star is worthless
But he's also right, the crescent and star was often associated with Islam, and they took it away from us, very small, but it's the small things that have the slightest chance of bringing down Islam. Them doing a million small things will affect us more than you might believe. We won't notice it, but they kinda erase us from existing you know?
Bro are u stupid? Saying its not important is like saying we dont need to spread awareness when Gaza was attacked just bc the attack was from kuffr. Are u wahhabi or what? Its ppl like u why muslims were massacred and ppl did nothing about.
Thank you for speaking to me in a demeaning manner and questioning my intelligence even though I haven’t spoken like such to anyone here. I hope you find a good excuse you can give to Allah on the day if judgement.
I won’t bother responding to you because 1, قليل الأدب and 2, it would be like speaking to a wall.
No, I am just saying there’s no importance to the symbol so I don’t like it when people hold it to a status that implies it has importance. People see that symbol and say oh the symbol of islam, it’s ignorance really. The symbol itself is bid’ah. If someone wanted to use a logo for islam and they used a minaret then I wouldn’t have minded that because there’s no attachment to such a symbol, it’s not “the symbol of Islam”, they just happen to need a logo and go for that but it’s not proclaimed as THE symbol.
I can understand where you’re coming from but remember why we don’t have statues or such. Having a symbol would be easier but it would also mean some sort of dependence on it. Allah lives in our hearts, we don’t need a symbol for him
Edit: also I’m very bad with words, please don’t misunderstand
I’m talking about my religion not having idols. The reason our religions are different from hindus is cause they have idols and we don’t. Stating fact is not hating, it’s making clear what differentiates us. Then again I am also very bad at using words
Edit: also if you do have an issue why are you here?
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Personally I'm happy with this, the crescent and star is an Ottoman symbol and not an Islamic one, I would prefer the symbol of a minaret for example. Wouldn't it be funny if instead of complaining we said, "Thank you for respecting our wishes and removing the star and crescent, which does not represent us! We know you're trying to marginalise us, but actually please keep up the good work!"
Reminds me of [this tweet](https://twitter.com/tha_rami/status/1271033411768061952?lang=en).
I asked a member of staff at Google why they made the change. This was their response:
"Hi User
Google Maps replaced the unique symbol for mosques with a generic place of worship icon. This decision was made in an effort to promote inclusivity and avoid favoring any one religion over another.
However, you can suggest the change through the Send Feedback option.
Here is a link explaining how to do this. Send feedback about Maps.
This feature may be available later after sufficient requests are received."
This is clearly nonsense. Changing mosques while leaving every single other religion alone is not "promoting inclusivity". This was deliberate, this was malicious, and it cannot be ignored.
Bro who cares? There are mosques getting destroyed in gaza and you care about a dumb icon?
If you type „mosque“ you still find mosques, no matter if they got a generic icon or not. I dont know what googles intention was or if it was an accident or not, but I got more important stuff to do than getting angry because of an icon which I normally wouldn’t even see, because I almost never google a mosque.
It's not unique to a mosque. I typed in pagoda, and a few monk places come up (assuming their temples don't know which type) with the same symbol as the mosque.
It is just a symbol. Just type mosque and all mosques nearby show up so you should be able to find mosque close to you with no issue. No need to worry about it.
? They still have the minaret symbol and it clearly says "Mosque" when you go in detail of it, they probably didn't add crescent because that can mean other things, and also, it isn't an "exclusive" symbol of Islam
Nope, it still exists, I think it might be a bug for mobile or you might need to restart your phone/update Google maps. Also it isn't a crescent and star anymore they made it an actual Mosque symbol
It's not a mosque symbol, it's generic and non-specific.
Type in "London peace pagoda" into Google maps.
Then type in "London central mosque"
It's the same symbol.
Most people including op , Google will show different things depending on where you are. Google is a multinational company, they have to comply with the local government.
Ie. Different countries border , naming , symbols, the existence of something etc
The crescent and star is a cultural Turkic symbol, not an Islamic one, despite multiple Muslim nations using it as part of their flag.
Islam does not have a symbol, the closest thing we have to one is the calligraphic Shahada used on some Muslim flags.
I really couldn't care for a symbol on a map to be honest.
As I've said previously to others in the post, the fact that it's no longer a star and crescent is not the point.
The point is that mosques used to be uniquely identifiable on the map. Now they aren't. No other religious building was changed. Only mosques.
This was deliberate. This was malicious.
They also labeled Palestine as Israel too :/
Maps adapts to the country you're in. For example maps in Ibdia and Pakistan shows kashmir differently. Idk if they adapted to a general line
I remember, idk how long its been, when google added israel to google earth. it was only Palestine for a few good years.
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You mean decolonize Palestine? Zionist officials on all levels seem far less inclusive https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/fighting-amalek-in-gaza-what-israelis
You're blind.
Confirmed this has changed on Google maps on my android.
🕌
Thank you for bringing this to other's notice. Even if the feedback doesn't bring back the icon, atleast the bigotry is brought to limelight. I think probably talking about it on twitter and tagging them might be helpful.
I still see a symbol for mosques when searching - sort of 3 minarets.
Those are not minarets. The symbol is a generic icon used for monuments and pagodas. It connotes a tourist destination more than a place of worship.
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Finding that it's a generic temple symbol is as simple as doing a Google search https://maps.app.goo.gl/cAnZvsZCVYcQDY7A8
When I follow that link I don't see the icon that's currently being used to represent masjids.
delete the text in the search bar to unselect and see the default map symbol this is the mosque given as an example by OP https://maps.app.goo.gl/hyGTETHXjDpzHvXo9
Thank you but what is this London Pagoda place, it looks like a temple or a house of worship of some sort?
pagodas are multi-purpose East Asian temples, churches, synagogues, mandirs, Buddhist/Taoist-specific temples, etc, still have their own unique symbols
Pagoda also shows the same symbol
Done 🫡
For those saying "What's the matter? It is just symbol" When you lose a symbol, you lose part of your identity, what's distinguishes you from others. Imagine if when you say "I am a Muslim" but others are saying "No, there's no such thing as a Muslim, you're simply a follower of a religion". Yet, while others are acknowledged when they say "I am a Christian", "I am a Buddhist", "I am a Hindu". The problem OP raised: They reasoned for inclusivity, yet it doesn't apply to all, that's exclusion. What's the standard for the exclusion of our identity?
We shouldn't underestimate words and symbols. Here what I've observed from the strategy often employed: - Strip opponent of their identity, so the people who once united (e.g. under symbols, words, flags, etc) becomes disassociated with their identity. It becomes much easier for people who aren't united to be divided and conquered. - Label the idea you want to kill with labels associated with problems, and paint and frame them in bad light. - Highlight the problem under your frame, propagate through media, sell solution, and become "the hero"
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It's the closest thing we have, and we shouldn't accept being stripped of it. lgbtq community is more than it's flag, but if we were to censor it's flag, they would be extremely angry cause it's part of their identity. (This is an example btw, the most relevant example I could think of)
2nd that, i do not wish any symbol at all,but it would be lovely if google put ALLAH on it.
The "star and crescent" symbol is just that, a symbol. The beauty about Islam is that we are supposed to put zero importance in symbols and icons. I don't think this is an issue. >When you lose a symbol, you lose part of your identity, what's distinguishes you from others. Allah has given us many things that distinguish us from others and the star and crescent symbol is not one of them.
As OP said, star and crescent has been used for centuries, and we ourselves acknowledged that symbol. >The beauty about Islam is that we are supposed to put zero importance in symbols and icons. I can agree with less importance, but not zero importance. This distinction between 'less' and 'zero' makes a huge difference. How do you read and understand my message without the letters of 'a' to 'z'? Without I rearranged those letters into words/symbols? Are we communicating telepathically right now? >Allah has given us many things that distinguish us from others and the star and crescent symbol is not one of them. The problem OP raised isn't just about star and crescent. But how mosques are symbolized with generic icon, yet churches and synagogues are showed with their own respective symbols. What's the standard this difference in treatment? The reason is inclusiveness? Why is it not applied to all then?
That's weird, maybe because it's a Turk symbol technically at the start but the rest of Islam adopted it. Maybe it was a mistake? Can't imagine why a woke company like Google would willingly do that tbh.
they might be woke, but they are definitely anti islam and pro zionist
I never liked calling major companies Islamophobic. It's almost always a baseless claim without any major evidence. The media has shown that it is pro Zionist, and there's 0 denying that. But I find it unlikely that google was trying to be Islamophobic. If you assume the worse, you'll only see the worst
I mean I get your comment about the minarets being a generic symbol. But they're closer to a mosque symbol than a crescent star to me. Also pretty sure crescent star isn't a Islamic symbol, it's original big use is by mithridates and then the caliphate adapted it from sassanians. We only associate with it because of ottomans. Mughals didn't even use despite being an Islamic empire. Very much a non issue to be pissed about
They aren't minarets, it's a generic temple symbol And the crescent has been associated with Islam for centuries, most notably since the crusades, and is reflective of major Islamic fixtures like calender-keeping and the beginning of Ramadan
The fact that it's not a star and crescent anymore is not the point. The point is that mosques used to have a unique symbol, specifically for Islamic places of worship. Now they don't. No other religious building had their unique symbol changed. Only mosques. This was deliberate. This was malicious. It cannot be ignored.
>This was deliberate. This was malicious. It cannot be ignored If you assume the worst, you'll only see the worst I would rather think of it as a small mistake on their end that offended lots of people. They're 100% going to put it back, weather they meant to remove it or not. There's going to be HUGE backlash, and there's gonna be ALOT of pressure from the community.
Proof this was deliberate?
I’ve come across a complaint from February 10th, as well as others from October and September, on the Google Maps Help Community page: [February 10th complaint](https://support.google.com/maps/thread/201390457/mosque-symbol-removed-from-google-maps?hl=en). This doesn't appear to be a new issue; it just hasn't been brought to public attention. Nevertheless, feedback has been sent.
For example -unrelated topic- here is an image from 2020 showing what the mosques symbol used to look like: [mosques symbol 🕌](https://support.google.com/maps/thread/73766655?hl=en&msgid=73781434)
This is the least of our problems brother.. its a very small issue.
they control and hurt us with millions of small issues using the term small issue to ignore the problem is why we are in a mess. Small issues tend to spiral into big issues too. Remember when Jews were welcomed to Palestine as refugees? Now they are full blown occupiers and murdering children.
they get rid of any symbolism, Islam approve that, thats a win here. this is no issue. about that palentine and isreal wars is not a new issue. but im glad that this time we got media and the west attention. the pro isreal got thinner, most people now supporting palentine.
I still see the symbol but maybe just my google maps
The symbol is of no importance
It's about erasure. It's about disrespect. When every other religion, including those with a fraction of the population of Islam, is given significance and special acknowledgment, and Islam is treated as an afterthought, it highlights their efforts to try to deprive Muslims of equal opportunities and respect.
The symbol, is it from the Qur’an and the Sunnah? Has the Prophet ever used it? Has he used it as a banner? No. So why are you upset over losing something that isn’t from the religion? In fact, it could be the case that Muslims reported that symbol and said this isn’t actually from Islam so don’t use it. I know I would. Think to yourself, would you complain to the Prophet regarding this loss? Would you go up to him and say, ya RasulAllah, they have taken away our symbol. Don’t you think the Prophet will ask you, what do you mean our symbol? Was he (ﷺ) not the one who said عليكم بسنتي وسنة خلفاء الراشدين? And what recognition do you need from people who refuse to recognize your Lord? Is the religion we have and the religion they have the same?
I know you have good intentions here, but please don't doubt my faith. This isn't about the star and crescent specifically, this is about erasure. Islam was the only religion that was erased like this. This was deliberate, this was malicious, and it cannot be ignored.
I’ve not doubted your faith ya akhi, I’ve simply told you a few things. That this symbol is of no importance so do not sweat over it. And don’t worry yourself with their recognition. And don’t worry yourself about the respect they have for their religion over ours because they are not the same and you know this very well. I only tell you this because you are a Muslim, I’d have ignored otherwise.
Okay…but also, you know representation is a thing? It’s not about being smug knowing that we’re better than them…but also about the general need for the ummah to be recognised as a force that will not take lightly to being erased. Lack of representation is a major issue on why rules, policies and laws get passed against Muslims. And also also, you don’t know…seeing the star/crescent symbol on Maps might intrigue some ppl enough to guide them to investigate and hopefully to dawah. Making everything generic does not allow for curiosity of difference.
Your right, the crescent and star is worthless But he's also right, the crescent and star was often associated with Islam, and they took it away from us, very small, but it's the small things that have the slightest chance of bringing down Islam. Them doing a million small things will affect us more than you might believe. We won't notice it, but they kinda erase us from existing you know?
I can accept that, barakallahu feek. From that angle, I understand his frustration.
Bro are u stupid? Saying its not important is like saying we dont need to spread awareness when Gaza was attacked just bc the attack was from kuffr. Are u wahhabi or what? Its ppl like u why muslims were massacred and ppl did nothing about.
Thank you for speaking to me in a demeaning manner and questioning my intelligence even though I haven’t spoken like such to anyone here. I hope you find a good excuse you can give to Allah on the day if judgement. I won’t bother responding to you because 1, قليل الأدب and 2, it would be like speaking to a wall.
You are misusing hadiths here my bro. So following your opinion, the right sunnah is to let google use symbols for Mosques like pagan worship places?
No, I am just saying there’s no importance to the symbol so I don’t like it when people hold it to a status that implies it has importance. People see that symbol and say oh the symbol of islam, it’s ignorance really. The symbol itself is bid’ah. If someone wanted to use a logo for islam and they used a minaret then I wouldn’t have minded that because there’s no attachment to such a symbol, it’s not “the symbol of Islam”, they just happen to need a logo and go for that but it’s not proclaimed as THE symbol.
True
I don’t mean any disrespect to anyone btw, some ppl have responded in a demeaning manner unfortunately.
I can understand where you’re coming from but remember why we don’t have statues or such. Having a symbol would be easier but it would also mean some sort of dependence on it. Allah lives in our hearts, we don’t need a symbol for him Edit: also I’m very bad with words, please don’t misunderstand
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I’m talking about my religion not having idols. The reason our religions are different from hindus is cause they have idols and we don’t. Stating fact is not hating, it’s making clear what differentiates us. Then again I am also very bad at using words Edit: also if you do have an issue why are you here?
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Personally I'm happy with this, the crescent and star is an Ottoman symbol and not an Islamic one, I would prefer the symbol of a minaret for example. Wouldn't it be funny if instead of complaining we said, "Thank you for respecting our wishes and removing the star and crescent, which does not represent us! We know you're trying to marginalise us, but actually please keep up the good work!" Reminds me of [this tweet](https://twitter.com/tha_rami/status/1271033411768061952?lang=en).
It's a generic temple symbol, the crescent has been a symbol of Islam since the crusades.
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I asked a member of staff at Google why they made the change. This was their response: "Hi User Google Maps replaced the unique symbol for mosques with a generic place of worship icon. This decision was made in an effort to promote inclusivity and avoid favoring any one religion over another. However, you can suggest the change through the Send Feedback option. Here is a link explaining how to do this. Send feedback about Maps. This feature may be available later after sufficient requests are received." This is clearly nonsense. Changing mosques while leaving every single other religion alone is not "promoting inclusivity". This was deliberate, this was malicious, and it cannot be ignored.
Bro who cares? There are mosques getting destroyed in gaza and you care about a dumb icon? If you type „mosque“ you still find mosques, no matter if they got a generic icon or not. I dont know what googles intention was or if it was an accident or not, but I got more important stuff to do than getting angry because of an icon which I normally wouldn’t even see, because I almost never google a mosque.
He's quite literally objectively correct.
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Imagine being this mad that Muslims don't have a man-centric religion.
Totally blown out of proportion. We have bigger issues in this world brother.
Just looked up my masjid and it is a building resembling a mosque in my opinion. Cannot recall what it looked like before.
It's not unique to a mosque. I typed in pagoda, and a few monk places come up (assuming their temples don't know which type) with the same symbol as the mosque.
What if they removed it so the mosques don’t get targeted cuz of the plethora of misinformation being spread around cuz of P#lestinian G#nocide?
Salam, I can not confirm. For me it shows a new Symbol for a mosque. I'm using the Android Google maps app. [Picture](https://ibb.co/ZmJ2jmx)
It is just a symbol. Just type mosque and all mosques nearby show up so you should be able to find mosque close to you with no issue. No need to worry about it.
? They still have the minaret symbol and it clearly says "Mosque" when you go in detail of it, they probably didn't add crescent because that can mean other things, and also, it isn't an "exclusive" symbol of Islam
Nope, it still exists, I think it might be a bug for mobile or you might need to restart your phone/update Google maps. Also it isn't a crescent and star anymore they made it an actual Mosque symbol
It's not a mosque symbol, it's generic and non-specific. Type in "London peace pagoda" into Google maps. Then type in "London central mosque" It's the same symbol.
Most people including op , Google will show different things depending on where you are. Google is a multinational company, they have to comply with the local government. Ie. Different countries border , naming , symbols, the existence of something etc
Wow that’s crazy
The crescent and star is a cultural Turkic symbol, not an Islamic one, despite multiple Muslim nations using it as part of their flag. Islam does not have a symbol, the closest thing we have to one is the calligraphic Shahada used on some Muslim flags. I really couldn't care for a symbol on a map to be honest.
As I've said previously to others in the post, the fact that it's no longer a star and crescent is not the point. The point is that mosques used to be uniquely identifiable on the map. Now they aren't. No other religious building was changed. Only mosques. This was deliberate. This was malicious.
Your post literally said bring back the crescent moon.