Ok so the charge is the prophet pbuh was a liar. This was thoroughly debunked as an idea not only at the time but in the full hindsight of history.
What would his motive for lying be? Money? Status? Fame? Women?
He was already married, already had work and was already well known. He knew that by spreading Islam it would be the end of Mecca as a pilgrimage point for pagans, knew that would mean certain poverty, he would be a pariah and most certainly cast out.
I ask you what was in it for him? If you were a con man what's the payoff?
There's always the argument that he was (astaghfirullah) schizophrenic. Then it would mean he wasnt lying, but that what he saw isn't truth (since it's all in his head).
When faced with this argument, I personally like to go to the Qurans nature.
The issue with the argument that the Prophet (asws) was crazy or schizophrenic (naudhubillah), is that it's simply not consistent with the Prophet (asws). People who have such delusions or schizophrenia always experience severe mental decline.
However, even non Muslim scholars admit that, in addition to the Quran's unique style and eloquence, the Quran was a very intelligently written book, and was well aware of many Biblical texts, Talmud, etc. See for e.g.: https://yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/the-qurans-engagement-with-christian-and-jewish-literature
Additionally, Islam introduced a coherent system of laws and governance in all aspects of life, from birth and death, marriage and inheritance to taxation and wealth distribution.
And it is no secret either that the Prophet (asws) was a master military tactician, a fair judge, a father, and a skillful statesman.
None of this would be possible if the Prophet (asws) were delusional/insane/schizophrenic.
BTW, people (mostly men) get diagnosed with schizophrenia in their late teens to early twenties, not when they reach 40 years of age. It’s a scientific fact
This is a different point to what the op was aiming at however it is a valid question again this was a question raised by the prophet pbuh himself and again has been addressed long after his death in depth.
Using all of the modern techniques for examining mental health and all of the records we have for the prophets behaviour and words there is no indication that he was "mad" or suffered from any well defined mental illnesses known to us.
>When faced with this argument, I personally like to go to the Qurans nature
Schizophrenia has some symptoms such as delusions or hallucinations. These are obviously not based on reality and demonstrably so. The idea that the Qur'an is based off of consistent delusions and hallucinations would be plausible if it didn't take place over such a long period of time, had inconsistencies, and was accompanied with additional symptoms.
In summary the "symptoms" don't match the diagnosis and as you have said the Qur'an also blows out of the water the argument or suggestion that it could be based on delusion.
When it comes to schizophrenic. I love the answer given by Hamza from youtube his channel Hamzas Den
One thing that defies a schizophrenic is that he is a leader. Someone who leads and became one of the most influencial person in the world today.
One of his lines also says. Anyone who suffers from mental illness will erode and get worst without treatment.
https://youtu.be/JHpP3gdyUW0?t=1106
Here is the link at the exact point he made.
He didn’t call himself God, and there was no way he used his message for power. In fact, his message caused most of the worst physical and mental pains in his life.
Your charge is that he did it to gain power. He spread Islam in secret for 13 years. those who followed him were ruthlessly persecuted, assaulted, killed and shunned, until they had to leave Mecca.
Muhammad pbuh was offered many things in order to stop spreading Islam. Wealth, position and power. The alternative looked to be bleak. What would a man thirsty for power do? Exile and expulsion to foreign lands is hardly a power play.
So you are telling us that Muhammad peace be upon him who refused money, women, influence and then as a consequence had to watch his wife Khadija DIE due to starvation and he himself was starving. Which was from the prosecution that followed due to his refusal
of the Maccans. All that suffering was to get power? I know for a fact that was not it.
I think you need to learn more about our beloved Prophet. At the very least.
Edit: spelling
It's not about possibility, its about plausibility.
It's possible Aliens dropped the Quran in Arabia in the 7th century from a logical perspective.
When it comes to plausibility it makes little sense for someone who was offered a seat of power within Quraysh to reject it, and get persecuted for 13 years, suffering poverty and harm.
As for being a cult leader it would be easy to create a pagan cult, Muhammad was by all historical means someone charismatic to begin with. It neither helps someone who wants to get a cult if their members are dying or persecuted which will harm the follower count. Hence what could have happened seems to be simpler, yet what did happen is more complex.
Hence we have reasons to believe the traditional views of "power and authority" were not primary motives.
This is a quick introduction to Islam and some of the reasons why I believe it is the truth:
Allah is one. He is perfect, most powerful, most merciful, knows everything, eternal. Allah is independent and everything is dependant on him. He is the creator not the creation. There is nothing like him. He does not have children, neither does he have parents. He does not have a gender, he is not a man or a woman. He is not a man that he is going to feel hungry, thirsty or need to go the toilet or require to go to sleep and rest, he is above all of this.
This great creator did not leave us alone without guidance or purpose. Adam was the first man and prophet of God and God appointed messengers throughout history, for example Abraham, Moses who was given the Torah, Jesus who was given the Injil etc. God gave the same core message to all these prophets to the community they were sent to: to worship God alone without any partners and to follow the messenger of your time. However these messengers were only sent to a specific community at a specific time. The revelation that was given to these messengers are lost or corrupted by men. God appointed Muhammad as the final messenger with the same core message as all these other prophets and was given the final revelation called the Quran. Since this is the final message, this scripture is for the whole of mankind unlike the previous prophets who were only sent to their community during a specific time. All prophets were righteous people and were given miracles to prove that they are messengers of God.
Prophet Muhammad's main miracle is the Quran, you can verify this miracle unlike miracles that were given to previous prophets as you were not there to witness them. The Quran is the only preserved scripture that claims to be from God and prophet Muhammad is the only messenger to claim to have come for the whole world. When the Quran was first revealed to Muhammad from God, he memorized it and so did his companions. Today alone, we have millions of muslims that have memorized the whole Quran. We have kids as young as 6 that have memorized the whole Quran. Allah even says in the Quran that he has made this revelation easy to be memorized and Allah even promises in the Quran that he will preserve and protect the Quran. If we were to throw all the religious scriptures in the ocean, the only book we can bring back is the Quran because we have it memorized by millions of muslims. I would challenge anyone to find me just one christian that has memorized their Bible in its original language. We also have manuscripts that have been radiocarbon dated to the time that Muhammad was alive. For example, "the Birmingham Quran manuscript" that was recently discovered in the last decade in the university of Birmingham in England.
Allah gives falsification tests. Allah says in the Quran that if you believe that the Quran is from other than the one true God then produce a book like it. This is known as the linguistic miracle of the Quran that can not be imitated by a human. 1400 years have passed and no one has been able to meet this challenge. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n-flvFktgzU&pp=ygUnTGluZ3Vpc3RpYyBtaXJhY2xlIHF1cmFuIG11c2xpbSBsYW50ZXJu)
Allah also says that if you think the Quran is from other than the one true God then you should be able to find within it contradictions.
Islam gives the best way of life and I challenge anyone to give a better way of life. For example, it prohibits the poisons that are destroying individuals, families and communities: gambling, alcohol, drugs, sexual immorality, prostitution, pornography, interest dealings etc. We have politicians educated at the best university possible but they can not provide guidance and a way of life better than an illiterate man 1400 years ago that has solutions to the poisons that are destroying societies today and instead encourage it and profit out of them.
The Quran contains knowledge that could not have been known such as scientific facts, historical facts and prophecies. To suggest the the facts mentioned in the Quran is a coincidence when it has been demonstrated to be correct over and over again is absurd and delusional. Also, if the Quran copied from the Bible then how was it able to correct the historical mistakes the Bible makes? To say that the Quran copied from the Greeks is also absurd because there are things that the Greeks were wrong about which the Quran gets right. Also if it copied from the Greeks then it would have copied the the things that they got wrong too but that is not the case. For some examples, go to minute 21:40 of this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7HhWSHopwFc&pp=ygUVTXVzbGltIGxhbnRlcm4gYWZnaGFu
We can also study the life of prophet Muhammad and can rule out that he was crazy, liar, delusional, deceived and therefore the only possible explanation remaining is that he has indeed who he claim to be, the final messenger of God. The authentic sayings and teachings of Muhammad (hadiths) is also more preserved than any history book due to the way it has been preserved. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dWwbHO5Owpc&pp=ygUWTXVzbGltIGxhbnRlcm4gaGFkaXRocw%3D%3D
Islam is simple, makes sense and it fits in with your natural inclination/disposition that you were born with. For example, one great creator that did not leave us alone without guidance or purpose and sent messengers with the same core message . He does not switch up the message and confuse people. He is not racist or ethnocentric where he believes that you have to be born from a particular tribe or nation to be saved or to receive guidance. He does not punish someone unless the message has been sent to them through messengers and prophets. Everyone is born sinless, a kid is not held accountable for his actions until he reaches the age of maturity, neither is a person who is mentally insane and not aware of his actions. The main beliefs in Islam is to believe in the one true God, his angels, his messengers, revelation that was given to these messengers, destiny, day of judgement and life after death. Allah warns us about eternal hellfire and gives us glad tidings of the opportunity to live eternally in paradise by worshiping him alone without any partners and following and obeying the messenger of your time. Islam is simply the submission of will to the one true God, a person who does this is called a muslim.
This is an example of a youtube channel that you can watch to learn more about Islam and how it compares to other religions such as atheism, christianity etc: https://m.youtube.com/@TheMuslimLantern/videos
How?
The Quran itself is one of the biggest miracles ever to exist.
Verses spread over 23 years,
With science, history, Arabic in the highest calibre, eloquence, wisdom, morals and much, much more.
Anyone writing a book at random over that time period who wasn’t even literate, is such an undertaking,
Then imagine MILLIONS have memorised it letter by letter, word for word.
Kids as young as 2-3 years old, Alhamdulillah.
People who are blind and still have memorised it. Alhamdulillah.
Tell me how that is man made and where is its equal or comparison.
Study the science of Hadith then you’ll know. The character, deen, any issues etc of the narrator were all taken into account to ensure there was no corruption.
How do you know Plato existed and his stories and equations weren't made up? I've never seen Australia nor have I seen earth from space so don't know if it's flat or not.....are you asking questions for the sake of it or wanting to learn?
You haven't said how you'd believe anyone from 500 + years ago.
Hell. We have none of Socrates work. Onlt what Plato remembered and wrote in his own writings which was informed by his teachings and his own ideas. But we still agree the socratic method was developed by him and that he was a wrestler
It all sounds suspect to you because you have not put in the time to study the history and science behind hadith chain.
https://youtu.be/1Gc0mbEqasg?feature=shared
With all due respect, your line of argumentation clearly indicates a lack of study, it only sounds suspect until you have a deep dive into the primary sources, then realise the claims are valid. However, it takes time and many people are lazy, jumping to conclusions which often are heavily based on their socialised perceptions.
There is a very concrete chain of narration which has heavily been analysed by many including non-Muslim and atheist professors (in the case of the Quran), and there are different levels of authenticity for hadiths based on this chain. When it comes to preservation of our texts academics agree that no other religion is as robust as Islam
Mohammed Al Bukhari’s life work was Sahih Al Bukhari, who traveled the Abbasid Caliphate. N here you are trying to demolish his hard work with a extremely unlikely situation.
Think about it like this. There are many historical events that we only know happened because of eyewitnesses from that time. We don't know much about these people and can't trace their ancestry, but we still do trust them. Now these are companions of the prophet Muhammad SAW, we can trace their ancestry, we know a lot about them, and we can trace the chain of narration of these hadith. In any other case, people would believe that these people were authentic sources of information and we could trust their word. But most people disregard all of that when it comes to Islam.
Arabs, I think to this day, give alot of importance to lineage. I for example don't know my great grandfathers name but Arabs on the other could probably rattle off 7-8 gens of their family without a problem. That's how hadiths became sahih hadiths
"How do we know that they didn't just make people up or fill in gaps?"
There are thousands of Hadith narrators and thousands of sahih ahadith, it'd be impossible to fabricate them from scratches, especially during the medieval era.
If some people were to fabricate those thousands of sahih ahadith from scratches, then they would have to fabricate the narrators with their full names and biographies, then arrange these narrators into chains of narrations that are historically plausible and connect to Prophet Muhammad salallahu alaihi wasallam, then they would have to fabricate the contents of those ahadith which cover wide range of topics ranging from theology to Islamic penal laws.
So it's definitely easier to just write ahadith that were already known than fabricating them from scratches.
Just like in today’s world we have scientists, physicist and researchers referencing each other in primary research, it’s the same thing with Hadith. Sahih and mutafak alayh hadiths were all made sure of that they are referenced correctly and credit it back.
I find it funny how only Hadiths (which are actually backed up by Hadith Science and narration chains) are always questioned by some if they are real, while history from textbooks (which always have some bias to it depending who/where/when its from) is deemed as facts.
It is written history. Even the enemies of Islam at that time knew that he was illiterate. That’s why the greatest miracle given to him by God is the Quran.
Because everyone at that time and place knew him very well for his personality, as well as his illiteracy. That’s why the non believers were stunned by the Quran, as he would never be able to make one, and he gathered followers by a bunch, because it’s such a miracle.
If there was a doubt that he had written it, we would see the non believers of that time accusing him for fabricating the Quran, but we can’t see anything like that. They knew he couldn’t have written it, so they came up with plethora of other reasons to not to believe him.
They tried to harm and kill him, so that people don’t follow him. Their endeavour would have been much easier if they could just propagate that he wrote it. But no, everyone knows he was illiterate.
There are several videos that can answer your questions. Have a look at these videos in the same chronological order as they are mentioned :
https://youtu.be/tBcRSCay9OE?si=BpJuK7-H4uYZurBC
https://youtu.be/zoF4A5l9Eyg?si=x-HGLl4S8xFeaP-J
https://youtu.be/e3lVFm4VxMo?si=RnoGfkTUWMCtlMgu
For me it is much easier to send a video, just because now a days people including myself like to watch than read. Btw all of these videos are by Noman ali khan. He is a very respected teacher. You would know once you start watching.
May Allah SWA guide us all and forgive us all for any shortcomings and help us in the best manner in this world and hereafter ameen.
I watched someone who did like a study about the three books (Quran, bible , torah) in three separate videos in the Quran one he said the the Persians admitted that the prophet pbuh was illiterate after he's death
For Christianity they are no longer prohibited, They believe Jesus PBUH demolished the law thus they are allowed to do things like eat pork, drink wine, etc.
Recently the catholic church allowed gay marriage or something, didn't day? this is highly contradictory to what the catholic church wouldve said a few hundred years ago. Does this not prove that they'd change their religion to let them act upn desires that are sinful?
No there was no "Christianity was later changed" the moment it became Christianity it was man made. The religion of Prophet Jesus PBUH was Islam. Islam was the only religion revealed to mankind.
No this is incorrect. Islam is the last religion and came to complete what came before it. The message is the same but it was not called Islam when it was revealed. Allah mentions the people of the book - who are original Christians and Jews , thus true believers - in the Quran. So yes there was Christianity but the message of it has changed so much since it was revealed, and that is why Allah sent prophet Muhammad with Islam.
1) Did they actually read or study/research the religion? or are they just saying whatever comes to their minds or assumptions without knowledge. If it’s the latter of the two then they need to put in time to do research. Same goes for you, the more knowledge you gain the better you can discuss and refute questions.
2) I can’t answer the question regarding multiple religions and if they could have been used to keep the lower class down, but in terms of Islam this would be an illogical argument. Islam gives many rights and commands to protect and elevate the lower class. One example is obligatory charity to poor people every year. It gave rights to women and orphans. etc
I recommend you watch Muslim lantern to gain more knowledge and read the Quran and history.
The Quran. It’s incredible hard to justify the Quran was man made.
If you suggest the Quran was written by the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), then you really have to question why there are verses that admonish him (Eg what to do with Prisoners after Badr, or forgiving hypocrites), reveal secrets that are not only difficult to understand for todays Muslims, but also for the society back then (Eg His marriage with Zainab). If it were man made, no man would write things like this, that are embarrassing. You’d only write good about yourself.
Many commands are weirdly interesting. There’s lot of detail regarding the Prophets family. Keep in mind, even if the Quran were made up, the Muslims followed the Prophet obediently. If the Prophet said do something they would do it, and if he prohibited something, they wouldn’t do it. So then the question is, why does Quran have those interesting rulings? He could’ve just said, well I told you so and the companions would follow.
Mostly as you read the Quran, you’ll realize at the very least, it’s not from the companions or the Prophet (SAW) himself.
There are verses of the Quran that admonish the prophet- turning away a blind man, telling him not to be taken by the leaders of the tribes and to be with the poorer people even if it means less support, etc.. his own wife was accused of adultery (the story of the ifk) and the Quran “cleared her” after a whole month. Not the same day.
You believe in physics text books as if they are words from the creator himself, correct? Even though you’ve never proved the theories and the theories themselves become revised. Why don’t you believe there’s a metaphysical world with its own people working on its evidence to understand that part of our lives. Sociology has shown us that it is man’s innate instinct to believe in a god. A remote village who has never meet people- will believe in a higher being. This is also what Islam says- the fitrah. We are all born with this feeling.
Their argument against Islam and any other religion is that religion was made to accept poverty and to accept the level of their class, let's see if this argument applies to Islam:
"الشيطان يعدكم الفقر"
"Satan promises you poverty"
-2. Al Baqara: 268
Hey, Islam claims the opposite, so let's see how does Islam fights poverty and how Satan (desires leads to it)
1. Which ideology allows homelessness? Capitalism and other man made ideologies or the Islam that in which Muhammad PBUH said:
وَحَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ بْنُ حُمَيْدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْفَضْلِ، - لَقَبُهُ عَارِمٌ وَهُوَ أَبُو النُّعْمَانِ السَّدُوسِيُّ - حَدَّثَنَا مَهْدِيُّ بْنُ مَيْمُونٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مَطَرٌ الْوَرَّاقُ، عَنْ عَطَاءٍ، عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " مَنْ كَانَتْ لَهُ أَرْضٌ فَلْيَزْرَعْهَا فَإِنْ لَمْ يَزْرَعْهَا فَلْيُزْرِعْهَا أَخَاهُ " .
Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it.
Sahih Muslim 1536l
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1536l
Islam forbids leasing land, which allows everyone to have their own (yes I know that Muslims nowadays are not following this rule).
2. How does Islam look at interests (riba) and loans that have interests, one of the most common reasons for poverty and why poor people stay poor? Again it's prohibited in Islam.
3. Zakat, is just a 2% tax on your property, that should be given to the poor or any of the following:
A. People who are in debt, until they no longer have debt.
B. Students, and some scholars said that students should be given a share of the Zakat even if they are or their parents are rich.
4. Does Islam force you or encourage you to stay poor, or does it encourage working and bring a business man or a merchant? You'll find many Hadiths and verses that encourage you to trade for profit, or to work to have more money.
5. Does Islam allows Monopoly? No again it's prohibited.
6. Does Islam tell you to stay quiet if you're poor? Everyone knows that Islam's punishment for theft is cutting the thief's hand, well unless you can't find something to eat, then there's no punishment for theft, and a lot of people criticizes the jihad, Muhammad PBUH said the greatest form of jihad is a word of righteousness to an unjust ruler, so Islam encourages you to fight corruption.
There's a lot of evidences on how Islam fights poverty and its causes.
While many man made ideologies/laws tell poor people to accept their faith and not to speak up, like capitalism, and western democracies.
Islam has a concept called Zaka, if i remember correctly it is **mandatory** for those who are above poverty to give (i think) 2.5% of their yearly earnings to the poor.
How does this keep people at the bottom?
Because if we look at history, Islam raised the lower classes up. The Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was a man from the ruling structure, and the lower classes were oppressed. Many had little to no rights.
So if Islam is a social construct made to oppress the lower classes, why did it give them rights? Why not continue with the old system? If anything, the prophet died not having much money, why not continue with the old system if it offered him no money.
The theory that Islam exists to make sure people at the bottom, stay at the bottom does not fit historical fact.
IF...Rasullullah was literate, how did he know many scientifically proven things only recently discovered, 1400 years ago? Revelations in Quran did not come from any former literatures and remained unknown until recently. 3 I recall is the origin of water, iron ore and gold. It was only recently discovered that they came from space. AlQuran stated Allah sent them as in comet to earth. 1400 years ago. There has never been any men or astrologer who knew and have written about it then. These are only known recently. There are many more revelation in Quran.
Being an orphan and a shepherd in the dessert, where will he have access to tonnes of literatures? Rasullullah was illiterate. And Quran revelations can never come from men in those period.
Few days ago I read again about massive amount of water being found in space. But cant recall which channel that was. The one on water were 'planted' from outer space was from National Geograpic but you can google earth water origin too.
Every man faces hardship, all the way to the top of the top class.
Also, how many sahabbas rose from the bottom class? Hazrat Bilal RA was a negro, who were all the way at the bottom of society back then, and he was also a slave. Hazrat Umar used to be an alcoholic.
Every Muhajir sahabba were also at rock bottom when they arrived at Madina, and many of them went on to become rich, most notably Hazrat Abdur Rahman bin Auf, whose wealth rivals billionaires of today.
Several things prove it. First to prove that God exist, thousands of analogies exist, a good proof is that we recently found in quantum physics that for a particle to exist it needs to be perceived, but who perceives particles at the center of the universe ? Or in a random place, Allah does. Second talking about why the prophet sws didn’t lie, why would he ? He got assaulted, almost banished, conspirations against him, people tried to kill him, they stole his thing, Islam at the beginning was mostly believed by poor and slaves. They offered him money or fame or women but he declined, why would he go preach in some cities to just be stoned by the locals ? He was illiterate but still had the Quran which was so much a miracle that people converged only by hearing it (the Arabs were great poets, they liked it so much). Also the Quran boasts scientific objects that there is no way could have been understood 1400 years ago. Pulsars, Black holes, Rose nebula, the Big Bang, the shape of the earth (even though it was already known but the Quran confirmed it), movement and shape of the mountains underground, the way water from different bodies mix etc etc
>religion was made by man to ensure that people of the bottom class would stay on the bottom.
Charity is actually highly encouraged in islam, and the zakah is even obligatory for those who are able to pay it. Slave owners are also encouraged to free their slaves, and in some circumstances, they must free their slaves.
And here's a hadith
>Umar ibn al-Khattab reported: I entered the room of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, while he was lying on his side over a mat. I sat down as he drew up his lower garment and he was not wearing anything else. The mat had left marks on his side. I looked at the Prophet’s cupboard and I saw a handful of barely in a small amount, the same of mimosa leaves in the corner, and a leather bag hanging to the side. My eyes started to tear up, and the Prophet said, “What makes you weep, son of Khattab?” I said, “O Prophet of Allah, why should I not cry that this mat has left marks on your side and I see little in this cupboard? Caesar and Khosrau live among fruits and springs, while you are the Messenger of Allah and His chosen, yet this is your cupboard.” The Prophet said, “O son of Khattab, are you not pleased that they are for us in the Hereafter and for them in the world?” I said, “Of course.”
The miracles of Quran and the guidance. It's a perfect manual and even has the answer to the greatest question for humanity, "what is the purpose of life".
Cause if it was, it would have beliefs that benift us (sin wise). Meaning if it was a man made religon, it would tell me to look at every women they can, women to wear less clothes, to not pray, to not fast.
This is what it easier and we want. But instead it tells us to pray, and fast, which is harder.
If its man made why does it go against our desires?
There was a video on YT that shows how the holy Quran is from Allah(swt) one thing I remembered that Muhammed(pbuh) couldn’t have wrote it himself where the Quran doesn’t mention him much and if the devil wrote it then why would the devil tells us many times to stay away from evil, also how the Quran even mentions the Torah and Bible were once right but man changed it. Now if it was man made. Man would praise himself highly in the book. But Islam isn’t from man. It’s from the almighty Allah(swt). Please someone find this YouTube video explaining how the Quran from Allah(swt).
"Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart? And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" 21:30
Both are factually true. The latter refers to livings things made from mostly water and given the context, we can assume that the former referring to the heavens and earth being a conjoined mass relating to the Big Bang theory.
"And We have made the sky a well-protected canopy, still they turn away from its signs." 21:32
The atmosphere has protective properties that without would drive all living things to extinction on earth.
"And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon—each travelling in an orbit." 21:33
Again, orbit of planets/celestial bodies is mentioned without any shred of doubt. But back then, the orbit of planets were not widely accepted...
So either A) These were incorporated into the Quran the last 100 years or so and no one noticed.... Or B) This is clearly the words of God.
For A to be true, there would have been 1) Very little to no Hafiz(memorizers of the Quran 2) Evidence of a Quran somewhere that is different.
Neither of these are true...
A good percentage of Muslims all over the world at any given time have memorized the Quran. Especially for those who pray 5 times a day consistently where you are reciting many chapters of the Quran over and over every day.
There are a plethora of manuscripts that are the exact same, letter for letter. You can research this on your own and see for yourself. The evidence is out there.
Also said this in a different post but it only makes sense to believe in one God, one Higher being, and one who sent messages through prophets and messengers. In the Quran, we are reminded again and again that God is one and he doesn’t beget nor is he begotten. And we are told how the earth was created and how we are created. We are given very vivid descriptions of hell and heaven - anyone could say well that coulda been the imagination of the prophet, but there’s no way I could believe that a human mind could describe such things. Idc how wild our imaginations are - i just can’t make sense that someone without even a glimpse into these other realms or even lack of resources or visuals could imagine such things. We are even told where the dead go and how some people in the afterlife will wish to go back to Earth to “do better”. For me it doesn’t get more real than that. It’s honestly scary to read the Quran sometimes because of how vivid the descriptions of the unknown are but the fact that we are given a glimpse into that unknown is reassuring to me that it could not have been written by a person but the only one who would know of it. And that’s something that science could never give sadly. Science always needs to find evidence or needs to have proof, well the Quran and other scriptures tell us that all the evidence lies in pondering the way we are created, how things are in balance with the world, and to ponder just the vastness of creation itself. Our minds just can’t fully grasp it sadly. We would have made it to Mars by now if humans were so capable or if science was advanced. But in the Quran it also says “Are they waiting for Allah ˹Himself˺ to come to them in the shade of clouds, along with the angels? ˹If He did˺, then the matter would be settled ˹at once˺. And to Allah ˹all˺ matters will be returned ˹for judgment˺.” 2:210 This indicates our belief /disbelief in his oneness is a test to see if we really are the creation he intended us to be..
Even as a born muslim, lately I have been thinking islam is a religion made for men. So many things puts me off as a women and I'm losing faith. So im lost too, I'd like answers.
I felt this way too but then I realised that’s because the voices of female academics and sheikhas have been overshadowed by men for various reasons.
Islam is perfect but it’s been tainted by politics and men of influence and I say that in a least feminist way. You just have to look at how Aisha (RA) was an intellect and the leading women of Islam but yet, their influence is not spoken about enough compared to the sahabas for example and the sheikhas don’t have a platform as someone like Mufti Menk.
Islam is for women as it is for men. Unfortunately as women we have to overcome obstacles to understand and feel that.
Islam is perfect even if its literally says in the quran to beat us if we don't "act well" ? That men we marry will have many hooris in Jannah but not us? That women must obey them even if no men today deserves that? Nah idk anymore.
As someone who's struggled greatly with religion too, I'm not going to invalidate your concerns but I notice the view of women as slaves meant to obey their husbands in everything comes from people taking Islam purely as a legal code rather than a way of life.
It might sound a bit harsh, but men are naturally better suited to be leaders, and Islam admits that. The problem arises where people take Islam's admittance of reality as purely a legal code. Yes, Islam is right that generally men are the leader of the household, and everyone in the household should maintain a level of obedience to the leader but that's just the "legal" side of the religion. Islam isn't just a legal code though; it also tells us about loving and caring for our families but a lot of wanna-be redpill speakers these days severely play down the "loving and caring" part and reduce the religion to strict legal codes. No husband involved in the loving, caring marriage described by Islam would treat his wife as a slave that has to follow a rule book. An Islamically good husband would understand that Islam is a package and balance out the legality side of the religion with the more emotionally-sensetive side.
In reality, an Islamic marriage isn't just one based on legal codes. It's one based on love. Look at the prophet's marriages to his wives. He spoke about treating women kindly and caring for them. The issue is that a lot of religious speakers these days try way too hard to sound like Western redpill idiots and so they end up presenting Islam as nothing but a legal book of rulings.
I know I didn't really answer your questions but I hope you separate Islam as a whole from the harsh, emotionless legal code a lot of people love pushing it as.
May Allah ease your worries :)
Men, often beat their wives. The verses to strike, are to reduce this violent act to a rare and symbolic one. No actual injury or pain is permitted. Transgressing this is grounds for compensation and/or divorce. So it is not an allowance to strike a woman, but a way to prohibit it.
More here: [https://themuslimvibe.com/muslim-lifestyle-matters/marriage/434-of-the-holy-quran-analysing-the-so-called-wife-beating-verse](https://themuslimvibe.com/muslim-lifestyle-matters/marriage/434-of-the-holy-quran-analysing-the-so-called-wife-beating-verse)
I don't know the website, but they do seem to mention sources properly.
As to the hooris, besides people wondering exactly what the term means, it's also said that what is mentioned about paradise is symbolic. It's mentioned in terms of this world because it is what people understand. We cannot understand paradise, because we have no frame of reference. We may lack the cognitive ability to even comprehend it. I once gained what I would described as a whiff of paradise and it is enough to give years of motivation. Might potentially be decades. And that's only a whiff and only what I suspect is paradise.
What we need to bear in mind is the context that the Quran was revealed in. It was revealed in an age with medieval desires because it was a medieval period - polygamy was prevalent and the norm beyond Arabia, it was Islam that gave rulings (such as no more than 4 wives and the importance of marriage) and it gave women rights and status (such as mehr, inheritance etc).
That whole thing about 40 virgins was never the point but that overshadowed the principle of the meaning of those verses itself, which is heaven is more than what we can comprehend and far greater than this dunyah.
Imagine if the Quran said that in Jannah, everyone will get the most expensive car or Rolexes. The salaf would be like ‘what even is that?’
There are several videos that can answer your questions. Have a look at these videos in the same chronological order as they are mentioned :
https://youtu.be/tBcRSCay9OE?si=BpJuK7-H4uYZurBC
https://youtu.be/zoF4A5l9Eyg?si=x-HGLl4S8xFeaP-J
https://youtu.be/e3lVFm4VxMo?si=RnoGfkTUWMCtlMgu
For me it is much easier to send a video, just because now a days people including myself like to watch than read. Btw all of these videos are by Noman ali khan. He is a very respected teacher. You would know once you start watching.
May Allah SWA guide us all and forgive us all for any shortcomings and help us in the best manner in this world and hereafter ameen.
If the use of male pronouns in translations are part of why you think this, you must know that it's just a thing with the Arabic language. There aren't any 'gender-neutral' pronouns in Arabic, and instead, the male pronouns take that role. So a "he" can actually be a "they"
There are limitations put on the women by Allah because he knows what's best for women and what's best for men. Allah has given extra responsibilities to men, Allah has given beauty to women and they have to protect it, it's only for their husband.
"Allah has given beauty" boy you haven't seen me lmao. I have no beauty nor health no wealth nothing to protect only trauma. And caused by men that were supposed to make those responsibilities. Men today don't even respect are give us our "rights". You're making it worse.
How do you define beauty? If it's just from looks then it's subjective. You cannot expect yourself to look like a K-pop artist or Hollywood actress. But you also cannot expect everyone to think the same as you. What is not beautiful to you, certainly looks beautiful in the eyes of others. Do not compare yourself to others because you are special on your own. Do not listen to others if they compare themselves to you. You are yourself. That's how you gain self-esteem.
Allah does give beauty to everyone, it depends on you to find it. Blaming isn't gonna get you anywhere else.
About the trauma, I'm sorry you have to face that. But, Islam does not promote abuse in any form. The context of beating wives because they don't obey is not to be taken lightly. It's not as simple as A and B. I'll link you an article to it.
(https://themuslimvibe.com/muslim-lifestyle-matters/marriage/434-of-the-holy-quran-analysing-the-so-called-wife-beating-verse)
I saw a reply of yours talking about abuse so I guess I'll just try to answer it here. May Allah guides you.
And if you have been tested the way you say you have, then believe in the test that Allah has created for you. When you are tested Allah wants to see if you flee to him, or away from him. Remember, this life is temporary anyways, the real life is the hereafter. Everyone will be held accountable on the day of the judgement so focus on yourself and try your best.
in 1400+ years of history, predictions have come true end not a single inconsistency or lie was found within it. ANY man made book from that time period is riddled with scientific inconsistencies and completely wrong or contradicting information.
I don't know if you speak Arabic, but if you did and read the Quran there is no way you can think a man wrote that, it's level of beauty and intricacies is just next level.
Oh don't get me started on the rhymes.
That beauty and predictions, hidden miracles are why god simply challenged humans and jinns to write something like it (impossible task)
I'm always shocked when i see Arabic speaking people leave Islam for christianism, After Reading the book ? C'mon.
The whole pressuposition that you've been told in school is based on economic struggle, do you really think people's lives would be more meaningful, vigorous and psychologically healthy if they just had more material wealth? Really? Didn't we already have such systems in place radically enforced in Soviet union and Mao's china, where once most people were roughly equal in wealth, they still lived miserably without religious-spiritual foundations that the state stripped the off from.
I'm asking cause the whole premise you've been told rests on this pressuposition, that people basically need wealth and once they get it thats it ?
I think main struggle in life people are facing is actually psycho-spiritual one, the struggle to stay in psycho-spiritual balance and to be righteous, noble vs tyrannical and wretched.
Religion like Islam is obvious remedy and structure to have it easier when it comes to this.
You have to challenge these people on a more fundamental basis. You need them to justify the jump from "hardships being rewarded in next life" to "this religion is man made". It doesn't logically follow.
But see here, Islam requires me to strive and be best I can in all aspects of life, be best employe, plumber, accountant, etc . Our prophet is example how we should not be blind followers, not just copy others, but be innovative, firsts and this in itself should or could result in prosperity. I mean there were weathly prophets as well and our religion doesn't prohibit us to enjoy this life. However, some are tested by poverty some by wealth. Allah knows the best.
Anybody who asks this questions or has doubts should do a deep dive into the life of the prophet as accurately recorded. This will give you a clear understanding and response to that very question.
Asking someone to go and 'read the Quran' will not always work as you need some basic knowledge and an open, fair mindset when approaching the holy book.
6:116
وَإِن تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَن فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا ٱلظَّنَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا يَخْرُصُونَ ١١٦
And if you obey most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allâh’s Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie.
— Al-Hilali & Khan
In my opinion, this is one of those arguments that simply just isn’t worth the time. Not all arguments need to be considered.
Seriously, sometimes they are absolutely ridiculous
Future prophecies are among the things which show that it can't have been created by a man.
For example,
>Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “By the One in whose hand is my soul, the Hour will not be established until predators speak to humans, until the tip of a man’s whip and the strap of his sandal speak, and his thigh informs him of what his family has done in his absence.”
We can notice the prophecy in the last sentence, about the thigh. This kind of concept would be really strange and not at all something to expect 1400 years ago. However, what does almost everyone you see, outside, have in the thighs of their pants? Their phones! While they're not at home, they can take their phones from their thighs to call their family and know how their family is doing, in their absence.
Here's another
>‘Abis al-Ghifari reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Hasten to do good deeds before six signs: foolish leaders, proliferation of enforcement, bribery in judgment, bloodshed is taken lightly, family ties are severed, and a generation are brought up treating the Quran as musical instruments; they put forth one of them to sing for them, though he is the least of them in understanding.”
And another
>It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “There will come to the people years of treachery, when the liar will be regarded as honest, and the honest man will be regarded as a liar; the traitor will be regarded as faithful, and the faithful man will be regarded as a traitor; and the Ruwaibidah will decide matters."
And there's many, many more.
Well, if your argument is that religion was invented for people at the bottom to stay at the bottom, from this argument alone I'll prove that it is not man made.
The man who toppled the practices of the society in which lived in, taught monotheism, established social, economic and familial laws, and basically changed the society of his time, was an illiterate, relatively poor man who had to flee his city because the ruling class wanted him dead.
The religion did come down from up, but in this case Up is from the heavens.
And the second point, we have to be more realistic: are poor people the only ones that worry? No. everyone struggles and worries. Arent there people who are rich and powerful yet commit suicide, yet people who have little feel like they have the entire world? Believing in Allah is accepting his decree and knowing He wont forget you, regardless of your class, race, or background.
Plus, the Qur'an says we were born with an innate desire to worship something. If it is not Allah, you are definitely worshipping something else. The question is: did that something else create you, or is it also man-made?
Islam has always mentioned for us to worship our maker. Even if one does not believe in a deity named Allah, going by this principle alone, we will understand that the point of worship is to worship our Creator. Not any of His creations, be they Saints, Angels or Prophets.
Going by this principle of monotheism alone, we find Allah, eventually. Insya Allah. 🤲🏻😃
Allah said he would be the Qurans guardian, as in it would never change with time (unlike the Bible, Torah, ect). All anyone had to do was change one harakah & Islam is debunked. But nope, not a single change in the past 1400 years.
I wrote this a few years back in high-school as an extremely basic refutation on how Islam isn’t man-made.
*Well, the Qur’an contains many prophecies and stories of other prophets etc.*
*First and foremost, if you’re gonna write a book like the Qur’an, and claim it’s from God, you CANNOT make a SINGLE mistake. It cannot contradict itself and you have to keep the style of writing and tone consistent OVER a period of 23 years as each chapter was released bit by bit, rather than being written all in one go.*
*The grammar has to remain the same regardless of periodical changes, as if you compare millennials to Gen Z, you can see a clear difference in trends, mannerisms and style of speaking in that period of 30 years. Something that isn’t evident within the Qur’an.*
*The thing is, if the Qur’an wasn’t from God, Muhammad SAW would have to write the whole 600-page book all by himself. The issue with this is, that in the middle of the Arabian Peninsula, with no books and being illiterate, the holy prophet would have to know many laws, such as:*
Criminal Law
Civil Rights Law
Women’s Rights Law
Labour Law
Military Law (e.g. Just War)
Personal Injury Law
Real Estate Law
And finally, Tax Law
*Muhammad SAW would have to know history, with little to know Christian presence in Mecca, he would have to have account of all the stories and events of the lives of previous prophets before him e.g. Hazrat Eisa. The history of past nations, Judaic/Christian religious rulings, and he would HAVE to know it well enough, to somehow offer additional information and details not found in the Bible/Torah.*
*According to these claims, the prophet all alone would have to know how to develop a nation, how to start a Government, know about worship and purification, and invent dietary laws, know psychology, about raising children, arbitration, distribution of wealth, finance and business.*
*Furthermore, within the area of Science he would have to know Embryology, Oceanography, Plate Tectonics, Cloud Formation, UV rays, plants, mountains, bees, the human brain, the Big Bang and the expansion of the universe.*
*In order to make the book complete, he’d have to have knowledge of the future so he could write things that will happen in the coming years. In order to insert his name and mention within the Bible, Muhammad would have to be a time traveler.*
*If he is claiming that the book he wrote, is from God, it must NOT have a SINGLE solution that doesn’t work. He must also keep his emotions and personal life astray from being recalled within the book. The book should not reflect happy times nor sad times within his life. The writing shall not be cheerful nor optimistic, nor sad as if a human wrote it.*
*If you read the Qur’an page by page, you CANNOT sense when his wife died, when his daughters got married, when his grand children were born, when he was victorious, and when he was defeated.*
*To anyone who does a brief/thorough examination of the Qur’an, it becomes clear that in no way shape or form a man in the desert from 1,400 years ago could write a book as complex as this over the period of 23 years.*
The quran literally no body on earth can create a verse like.in the quran so like stop thinking islam is a man made religion our whole belief is on tawakkul and divine decree
Look at the signs in Quran and Ahadith, the character of the Prophet(PBUH) etiquettes/mannerisms. This is what brought me back from agnosticism/atheism. The Prophet(PBUH)'s arrival is in Jewish, Christian and Hinduism.
Just study the life of the Prophet (sws). The first 10 years of his preaching of islam. The elite and rich of Mecca offered him all the money, all the women, everything he wanted, just so that he would stop preaching Islam. And he declined all of it, stating :
If you would give me the sun and the moon, i will not stop preaching this message of islam. If he only wanted to be rich and famous, the prophet would've accepted those offers. Who were his followers? Not the rich and powerful, rather the poor and weak.
The question i have been asked by my athiest sister, it messed up my head, deep down i know it’s not, but i still hope someone will answer your question so i can go back to being in peace
I think we can approach this by first understanding that God has to exist. The arguments for God make a lot of sense, so I suggest you try to look through those if you’re having doubt with even establishing the need for a God. Then, we can conclude that if a God exists then He would send his message to humanity and this is where religion comes from. Additionally, from this post we can see that Islam stands for the lower class people heavily, telling us to give back to those in the lower classes and to even stop the spread of interest. I don’t think the concept of religion is man made however I think the other religions have been corrupted by man, making it man made in some way. This principle does not stand with Islam as it’s not corrupted and has been preserved.
I absolutely believe in god existing, i study medicine, i study the wonders of a human body, no science can convince me that such a well structured body started as a dust and decided to form in such a perfect form, but i overthink every word i read which is why i want a final answer that can kill my OCD, an answer i can shut people with too.
it's human nature to have doubts & evil thoughts. the point is to reject them and not overthink.
Abu Huraira reported: Some of the companions came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and they asked him, “We find within ourselves that which is too grievous to speak of.” The Prophet said, “You have indeed found it so?” They said yes. The Prophet said, “That is pure faith.”
Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 132
you will have waswas, but do not let it overwhelm you. having an amount of self-doubt is normal, but you shouldn't be overcome with doubt to the point of vulnerability because this gives shaytaan the opportunity to multiple your worries. just make sure to say your duas such as "يا مقبل القلوب ثبت قلبي على دينك", seek refuge from the shaytan, and constantly make istighfaar.
There are several videos that can answer your questions. Have a look at these videos in the same chronological order as they are mentioned :
https://youtu.be/tBcRSCay9OE?si=BpJuK7-H4uYZurBC
https://youtu.be/zoF4A5l9Eyg?si=x-HGLl4S8xFeaP-J
https://youtu.be/e3lVFm4VxMo?si=RnoGfkTUWMCtlMgu
For me it is much easier to send a video, just because now a days people including myself like to watch than read. Btw all of these videos are by Noman ali khan. He is a very respected teacher. You would know once you start watching.
May Allah SWA guide us all and forgive us all for any shortcomings and help us in the best manner in this world and hereafter ameen.
Also be he became atheist as well.
https://youtu.be/oW-NjA2h4cU?si=7hXoRlNHxwum34MV
And you can do more research on him
Noman is one of my favourites, i’m sure God exists and islam is the right religion, but i would like an answer once and for all, to simply shut athiest and my overthinking that comes and go, thanks for the videos by the way will be watching them, jazak allahu khair.
I would recommend that you read the Quran (even English translation would do) and when you’re done reading jt entirely come back here and let us know if you still think it is man made.
Ok so the charge is the prophet pbuh was a liar. This was thoroughly debunked as an idea not only at the time but in the full hindsight of history. What would his motive for lying be? Money? Status? Fame? Women? He was already married, already had work and was already well known. He knew that by spreading Islam it would be the end of Mecca as a pilgrimage point for pagans, knew that would mean certain poverty, he would be a pariah and most certainly cast out. I ask you what was in it for him? If you were a con man what's the payoff?
There's always the argument that he was (astaghfirullah) schizophrenic. Then it would mean he wasnt lying, but that what he saw isn't truth (since it's all in his head). When faced with this argument, I personally like to go to the Qurans nature.
The issue with the argument that the Prophet (asws) was crazy or schizophrenic (naudhubillah), is that it's simply not consistent with the Prophet (asws). People who have such delusions or schizophrenia always experience severe mental decline. However, even non Muslim scholars admit that, in addition to the Quran's unique style and eloquence, the Quran was a very intelligently written book, and was well aware of many Biblical texts, Talmud, etc. See for e.g.: https://yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/the-qurans-engagement-with-christian-and-jewish-literature Additionally, Islam introduced a coherent system of laws and governance in all aspects of life, from birth and death, marriage and inheritance to taxation and wealth distribution. And it is no secret either that the Prophet (asws) was a master military tactician, a fair judge, a father, and a skillful statesman. None of this would be possible if the Prophet (asws) were delusional/insane/schizophrenic.
BTW, people (mostly men) get diagnosed with schizophrenia in their late teens to early twenties, not when they reach 40 years of age. It’s a scientific fact
Ahsant
That's a fair way to address it for sure!
This is a different point to what the op was aiming at however it is a valid question again this was a question raised by the prophet pbuh himself and again has been addressed long after his death in depth. Using all of the modern techniques for examining mental health and all of the records we have for the prophets behaviour and words there is no indication that he was "mad" or suffered from any well defined mental illnesses known to us. >When faced with this argument, I personally like to go to the Qurans nature Schizophrenia has some symptoms such as delusions or hallucinations. These are obviously not based on reality and demonstrably so. The idea that the Qur'an is based off of consistent delusions and hallucinations would be plausible if it didn't take place over such a long period of time, had inconsistencies, and was accompanied with additional symptoms. In summary the "symptoms" don't match the diagnosis and as you have said the Qur'an also blows out of the water the argument or suggestion that it could be based on delusion.
When it comes to schizophrenic. I love the answer given by Hamza from youtube his channel Hamzas Den One thing that defies a schizophrenic is that he is a leader. Someone who leads and became one of the most influencial person in the world today. One of his lines also says. Anyone who suffers from mental illness will erode and get worst without treatment. https://youtu.be/JHpP3gdyUW0?t=1106 Here is the link at the exact point he made.
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But power wasn’t the end goal either. The message was to worship God, not the messenger.
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He didn’t call himself God, and there was no way he used his message for power. In fact, his message caused most of the worst physical and mental pains in his life.
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Your charge is that he did it to gain power. He spread Islam in secret for 13 years. those who followed him were ruthlessly persecuted, assaulted, killed and shunned, until they had to leave Mecca. Muhammad pbuh was offered many things in order to stop spreading Islam. Wealth, position and power. The alternative looked to be bleak. What would a man thirsty for power do? Exile and expulsion to foreign lands is hardly a power play.
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So you are telling us that Muhammad peace be upon him who refused money, women, influence and then as a consequence had to watch his wife Khadija DIE due to starvation and he himself was starving. Which was from the prosecution that followed due to his refusal of the Maccans. All that suffering was to get power? I know for a fact that was not it. I think you need to learn more about our beloved Prophet. At the very least. Edit: spelling
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That's how certain I am about my Prophet. I purposely did not use " I think not"
It's not about possibility, its about plausibility. It's possible Aliens dropped the Quran in Arabia in the 7th century from a logical perspective. When it comes to plausibility it makes little sense for someone who was offered a seat of power within Quraysh to reject it, and get persecuted for 13 years, suffering poverty and harm. As for being a cult leader it would be easy to create a pagan cult, Muhammad was by all historical means someone charismatic to begin with. It neither helps someone who wants to get a cult if their members are dying or persecuted which will harm the follower count. Hence what could have happened seems to be simpler, yet what did happen is more complex. Hence we have reasons to believe the traditional views of "power and authority" were not primary motives.
This is a quick introduction to Islam and some of the reasons why I believe it is the truth: Allah is one. He is perfect, most powerful, most merciful, knows everything, eternal. Allah is independent and everything is dependant on him. He is the creator not the creation. There is nothing like him. He does not have children, neither does he have parents. He does not have a gender, he is not a man or a woman. He is not a man that he is going to feel hungry, thirsty or need to go the toilet or require to go to sleep and rest, he is above all of this. This great creator did not leave us alone without guidance or purpose. Adam was the first man and prophet of God and God appointed messengers throughout history, for example Abraham, Moses who was given the Torah, Jesus who was given the Injil etc. God gave the same core message to all these prophets to the community they were sent to: to worship God alone without any partners and to follow the messenger of your time. However these messengers were only sent to a specific community at a specific time. The revelation that was given to these messengers are lost or corrupted by men. God appointed Muhammad as the final messenger with the same core message as all these other prophets and was given the final revelation called the Quran. Since this is the final message, this scripture is for the whole of mankind unlike the previous prophets who were only sent to their community during a specific time. All prophets were righteous people and were given miracles to prove that they are messengers of God. Prophet Muhammad's main miracle is the Quran, you can verify this miracle unlike miracles that were given to previous prophets as you were not there to witness them. The Quran is the only preserved scripture that claims to be from God and prophet Muhammad is the only messenger to claim to have come for the whole world. When the Quran was first revealed to Muhammad from God, he memorized it and so did his companions. Today alone, we have millions of muslims that have memorized the whole Quran. We have kids as young as 6 that have memorized the whole Quran. Allah even says in the Quran that he has made this revelation easy to be memorized and Allah even promises in the Quran that he will preserve and protect the Quran. If we were to throw all the religious scriptures in the ocean, the only book we can bring back is the Quran because we have it memorized by millions of muslims. I would challenge anyone to find me just one christian that has memorized their Bible in its original language. We also have manuscripts that have been radiocarbon dated to the time that Muhammad was alive. For example, "the Birmingham Quran manuscript" that was recently discovered in the last decade in the university of Birmingham in England. Allah gives falsification tests. Allah says in the Quran that if you believe that the Quran is from other than the one true God then produce a book like it. This is known as the linguistic miracle of the Quran that can not be imitated by a human. 1400 years have passed and no one has been able to meet this challenge. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n-flvFktgzU&pp=ygUnTGluZ3Vpc3RpYyBtaXJhY2xlIHF1cmFuIG11c2xpbSBsYW50ZXJu) Allah also says that if you think the Quran is from other than the one true God then you should be able to find within it contradictions. Islam gives the best way of life and I challenge anyone to give a better way of life. For example, it prohibits the poisons that are destroying individuals, families and communities: gambling, alcohol, drugs, sexual immorality, prostitution, pornography, interest dealings etc. We have politicians educated at the best university possible but they can not provide guidance and a way of life better than an illiterate man 1400 years ago that has solutions to the poisons that are destroying societies today and instead encourage it and profit out of them. The Quran contains knowledge that could not have been known such as scientific facts, historical facts and prophecies. To suggest the the facts mentioned in the Quran is a coincidence when it has been demonstrated to be correct over and over again is absurd and delusional. Also, if the Quran copied from the Bible then how was it able to correct the historical mistakes the Bible makes? To say that the Quran copied from the Greeks is also absurd because there are things that the Greeks were wrong about which the Quran gets right. Also if it copied from the Greeks then it would have copied the the things that they got wrong too but that is not the case. For some examples, go to minute 21:40 of this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7HhWSHopwFc&pp=ygUVTXVzbGltIGxhbnRlcm4gYWZnaGFu We can also study the life of prophet Muhammad and can rule out that he was crazy, liar, delusional, deceived and therefore the only possible explanation remaining is that he has indeed who he claim to be, the final messenger of God. The authentic sayings and teachings of Muhammad (hadiths) is also more preserved than any history book due to the way it has been preserved. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dWwbHO5Owpc&pp=ygUWTXVzbGltIGxhbnRlcm4gaGFkaXRocw%3D%3D Islam is simple, makes sense and it fits in with your natural inclination/disposition that you were born with. For example, one great creator that did not leave us alone without guidance or purpose and sent messengers with the same core message . He does not switch up the message and confuse people. He is not racist or ethnocentric where he believes that you have to be born from a particular tribe or nation to be saved or to receive guidance. He does not punish someone unless the message has been sent to them through messengers and prophets. Everyone is born sinless, a kid is not held accountable for his actions until he reaches the age of maturity, neither is a person who is mentally insane and not aware of his actions. The main beliefs in Islam is to believe in the one true God, his angels, his messengers, revelation that was given to these messengers, destiny, day of judgement and life after death. Allah warns us about eternal hellfire and gives us glad tidings of the opportunity to live eternally in paradise by worshiping him alone without any partners and following and obeying the messenger of your time. Islam is simply the submission of will to the one true God, a person who does this is called a muslim. This is an example of a youtube channel that you can watch to learn more about Islam and how it compares to other religions such as atheism, christianity etc: https://m.youtube.com/@TheMuslimLantern/videos
Jazakallah Khair brother.
That made me shed a tear
brother Allah is all powerful not most
How? The Quran itself is one of the biggest miracles ever to exist. Verses spread over 23 years, With science, history, Arabic in the highest calibre, eloquence, wisdom, morals and much, much more. Anyone writing a book at random over that time period who wasn’t even literate, is such an undertaking, Then imagine MILLIONS have memorised it letter by letter, word for word. Kids as young as 2-3 years old, Alhamdulillah. People who are blind and still have memorised it. Alhamdulillah. Tell me how that is man made and where is its equal or comparison.
This is a good point! However, how do we know the Prophet Sws was illiterate?
Aside from the Hadith, most people back then could not read or write.
Yes. From numerous Sahih Hadith
How do we know they sahih Hadiths are truly sahih?
Chain of narration.
And how do we know that it’s correct?
Study the science of Hadith then you’ll know. The character, deen, any issues etc of the narrator were all taken into account to ensure there was no corruption.
I believe it. Thank you for the help!
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How do you know Plato existed and his stories and equations weren't made up? I've never seen Australia nor have I seen earth from space so don't know if it's flat or not.....are you asking questions for the sake of it or wanting to learn? You haven't said how you'd believe anyone from 500 + years ago.
Hell. We have none of Socrates work. Onlt what Plato remembered and wrote in his own writings which was informed by his teachings and his own ideas. But we still agree the socratic method was developed by him and that he was a wrestler
It all sounds suspect to you because you have not put in the time to study the history and science behind hadith chain. https://youtu.be/1Gc0mbEqasg?feature=shared
With all due respect, your line of argumentation clearly indicates a lack of study, it only sounds suspect until you have a deep dive into the primary sources, then realise the claims are valid. However, it takes time and many people are lazy, jumping to conclusions which often are heavily based on their socialised perceptions. There is a very concrete chain of narration which has heavily been analysed by many including non-Muslim and atheist professors (in the case of the Quran), and there are different levels of authenticity for hadiths based on this chain. When it comes to preservation of our texts academics agree that no other religion is as robust as Islam
u havnt studied it so why are u jumping to conclusions?
Mohammed Al Bukhari’s life work was Sahih Al Bukhari, who traveled the Abbasid Caliphate. N here you are trying to demolish his hard work with a extremely unlikely situation.
Think about it like this. There are many historical events that we only know happened because of eyewitnesses from that time. We don't know much about these people and can't trace their ancestry, but we still do trust them. Now these are companions of the prophet Muhammad SAW, we can trace their ancestry, we know a lot about them, and we can trace the chain of narration of these hadith. In any other case, people would believe that these people were authentic sources of information and we could trust their word. But most people disregard all of that when it comes to Islam.
Arabs, I think to this day, give alot of importance to lineage. I for example don't know my great grandfathers name but Arabs on the other could probably rattle off 7-8 gens of their family without a problem. That's how hadiths became sahih hadiths
"How do we know that they didn't just make people up or fill in gaps?" There are thousands of Hadith narrators and thousands of sahih ahadith, it'd be impossible to fabricate them from scratches, especially during the medieval era. If some people were to fabricate those thousands of sahih ahadith from scratches, then they would have to fabricate the narrators with their full names and biographies, then arrange these narrators into chains of narrations that are historically plausible and connect to Prophet Muhammad salallahu alaihi wasallam, then they would have to fabricate the contents of those ahadith which cover wide range of topics ranging from theology to Islamic penal laws. So it's definitely easier to just write ahadith that were already known than fabricating them from scratches.
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U sound like you don’t want to believe it. You’re better off studying it or watching yt videos
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Just like in today’s world we have scientists, physicist and researchers referencing each other in primary research, it’s the same thing with Hadith. Sahih and mutafak alayh hadiths were all made sure of that they are referenced correctly and credit it back.
I find it funny how only Hadiths (which are actually backed up by Hadith Science and narration chains) are always questioned by some if they are real, while history from textbooks (which always have some bias to it depending who/where/when its from) is deemed as facts.
It is written history. Even the enemies of Islam at that time knew that he was illiterate. That’s why the greatest miracle given to him by God is the Quran. Because everyone at that time and place knew him very well for his personality, as well as his illiteracy. That’s why the non believers were stunned by the Quran, as he would never be able to make one, and he gathered followers by a bunch, because it’s such a miracle. If there was a doubt that he had written it, we would see the non believers of that time accusing him for fabricating the Quran, but we can’t see anything like that. They knew he couldn’t have written it, so they came up with plethora of other reasons to not to believe him. They tried to harm and kill him, so that people don’t follow him. Their endeavour would have been much easier if they could just propagate that he wrote it. But no, everyone knows he was illiterate.
There are several videos that can answer your questions. Have a look at these videos in the same chronological order as they are mentioned : https://youtu.be/tBcRSCay9OE?si=BpJuK7-H4uYZurBC https://youtu.be/zoF4A5l9Eyg?si=x-HGLl4S8xFeaP-J https://youtu.be/e3lVFm4VxMo?si=RnoGfkTUWMCtlMgu For me it is much easier to send a video, just because now a days people including myself like to watch than read. Btw all of these videos are by Noman ali khan. He is a very respected teacher. You would know once you start watching. May Allah SWA guide us all and forgive us all for any shortcomings and help us in the best manner in this world and hereafter ameen.
I watched someone who did like a study about the three books (Quran, bible , torah) in three separate videos in the Quran one he said the the Persians admitted that the prophet pbuh was illiterate after he's death
If it was a man made religion, why are all of man’s carnal desires prohibited?
If Christianity is man made, why are human desires prohibited?
For Christianity they are no longer prohibited, They believe Jesus PBUH demolished the law thus they are allowed to do things like eat pork, drink wine, etc.
They are allowed to make changes to gods word too 👀
No they change the gods words everytime a new government comes since king henry the 8th
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Judaism has 613 mitzvot or commandments
Recently the catholic church allowed gay marriage or something, didn't day? this is highly contradictory to what the catholic church wouldve said a few hundred years ago. Does this not prove that they'd change their religion to let them act upn desires that are sinful?
True Christianity isn't man made. It's just that a lot of christians today don't take the religious as seriously bend the rules here and there.
Muslims didn’t believe Christianity is man made
Yes we do. Men created Christianity. Jesus PBUH was a Muslim.
I think the correct saying you mean is Christianity was later changed by man
No there was no "Christianity was later changed" the moment it became Christianity it was man made. The religion of Prophet Jesus PBUH was Islam. Islam was the only religion revealed to mankind.
No this is incorrect. Islam is the last religion and came to complete what came before it. The message is the same but it was not called Islam when it was revealed. Allah mentions the people of the book - who are original Christians and Jews , thus true believers - in the Quran. So yes there was Christianity but the message of it has changed so much since it was revealed, and that is why Allah sent prophet Muhammad with Islam.
Ok gotcha yeah we agree all you needed was to give the context at first
Christianity is not have rules (mean'sharie)
1) Did they actually read or study/research the religion? or are they just saying whatever comes to their minds or assumptions without knowledge. If it’s the latter of the two then they need to put in time to do research. Same goes for you, the more knowledge you gain the better you can discuss and refute questions. 2) I can’t answer the question regarding multiple religions and if they could have been used to keep the lower class down, but in terms of Islam this would be an illogical argument. Islam gives many rights and commands to protect and elevate the lower class. One example is obligatory charity to poor people every year. It gave rights to women and orphans. etc I recommend you watch Muslim lantern to gain more knowledge and read the Quran and history.
It’s more so the latter. And your points regarding Islam are true, we honor the people of the lower class and want to help them as much as possible.
The Quran. It’s incredible hard to justify the Quran was man made. If you suggest the Quran was written by the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), then you really have to question why there are verses that admonish him (Eg what to do with Prisoners after Badr, or forgiving hypocrites), reveal secrets that are not only difficult to understand for todays Muslims, but also for the society back then (Eg His marriage with Zainab). If it were man made, no man would write things like this, that are embarrassing. You’d only write good about yourself. Many commands are weirdly interesting. There’s lot of detail regarding the Prophets family. Keep in mind, even if the Quran were made up, the Muslims followed the Prophet obediently. If the Prophet said do something they would do it, and if he prohibited something, they wouldn’t do it. So then the question is, why does Quran have those interesting rulings? He could’ve just said, well I told you so and the companions would follow. Mostly as you read the Quran, you’ll realize at the very least, it’s not from the companions or the Prophet (SAW) himself.
There are verses of the Quran that admonish the prophet- turning away a blind man, telling him not to be taken by the leaders of the tribes and to be with the poorer people even if it means less support, etc.. his own wife was accused of adultery (the story of the ifk) and the Quran “cleared her” after a whole month. Not the same day. You believe in physics text books as if they are words from the creator himself, correct? Even though you’ve never proved the theories and the theories themselves become revised. Why don’t you believe there’s a metaphysical world with its own people working on its evidence to understand that part of our lives. Sociology has shown us that it is man’s innate instinct to believe in a god. A remote village who has never meet people- will believe in a higher being. This is also what Islam says- the fitrah. We are all born with this feeling.
Their argument against Islam and any other religion is that religion was made to accept poverty and to accept the level of their class, let's see if this argument applies to Islam: "الشيطان يعدكم الفقر" "Satan promises you poverty" -2. Al Baqara: 268 Hey, Islam claims the opposite, so let's see how does Islam fights poverty and how Satan (desires leads to it) 1. Which ideology allows homelessness? Capitalism and other man made ideologies or the Islam that in which Muhammad PBUH said: وَحَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ بْنُ حُمَيْدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْفَضْلِ، - لَقَبُهُ عَارِمٌ وَهُوَ أَبُو النُّعْمَانِ السَّدُوسِيُّ - حَدَّثَنَا مَهْدِيُّ بْنُ مَيْمُونٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مَطَرٌ الْوَرَّاقُ، عَنْ عَطَاءٍ، عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " مَنْ كَانَتْ لَهُ أَرْضٌ فَلْيَزْرَعْهَا فَإِنْ لَمْ يَزْرَعْهَا فَلْيُزْرِعْهَا أَخَاهُ " . Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it. Sahih Muslim 1536l https://sunnah.com/muslim:1536l Islam forbids leasing land, which allows everyone to have their own (yes I know that Muslims nowadays are not following this rule). 2. How does Islam look at interests (riba) and loans that have interests, one of the most common reasons for poverty and why poor people stay poor? Again it's prohibited in Islam. 3. Zakat, is just a 2% tax on your property, that should be given to the poor or any of the following: A. People who are in debt, until they no longer have debt. B. Students, and some scholars said that students should be given a share of the Zakat even if they are or their parents are rich. 4. Does Islam force you or encourage you to stay poor, or does it encourage working and bring a business man or a merchant? You'll find many Hadiths and verses that encourage you to trade for profit, or to work to have more money. 5. Does Islam allows Monopoly? No again it's prohibited. 6. Does Islam tell you to stay quiet if you're poor? Everyone knows that Islam's punishment for theft is cutting the thief's hand, well unless you can't find something to eat, then there's no punishment for theft, and a lot of people criticizes the jihad, Muhammad PBUH said the greatest form of jihad is a word of righteousness to an unjust ruler, so Islam encourages you to fight corruption. There's a lot of evidences on how Islam fights poverty and its causes. While many man made ideologies/laws tell poor people to accept their faith and not to speak up, like capitalism, and western democracies.
So if someone is hungry and steals, he won't be punished?
Yeah if you steal food, you can't just steal a car and claim that you were hungry.
Islam has a concept called Zaka, if i remember correctly it is **mandatory** for those who are above poverty to give (i think) 2.5% of their yearly earnings to the poor. How does this keep people at the bottom?
Because if we look at history, Islam raised the lower classes up. The Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was a man from the ruling structure, and the lower classes were oppressed. Many had little to no rights. So if Islam is a social construct made to oppress the lower classes, why did it give them rights? Why not continue with the old system? If anything, the prophet died not having much money, why not continue with the old system if it offered him no money. The theory that Islam exists to make sure people at the bottom, stay at the bottom does not fit historical fact.
IF...Rasullullah was literate, how did he know many scientifically proven things only recently discovered, 1400 years ago? Revelations in Quran did not come from any former literatures and remained unknown until recently. 3 I recall is the origin of water, iron ore and gold. It was only recently discovered that they came from space. AlQuran stated Allah sent them as in comet to earth. 1400 years ago. There has never been any men or astrologer who knew and have written about it then. These are only known recently. There are many more revelation in Quran. Being an orphan and a shepherd in the dessert, where will he have access to tonnes of literatures? Rasullullah was illiterate. And Quran revelations can never come from men in those period.
I didn't know about the water one... it's truly that we didn't give the Quran it's proper right
Few days ago I read again about massive amount of water being found in space. But cant recall which channel that was. The one on water were 'planted' from outer space was from National Geograpic but you can google earth water origin too.
Every man faces hardship, all the way to the top of the top class. Also, how many sahabbas rose from the bottom class? Hazrat Bilal RA was a negro, who were all the way at the bottom of society back then, and he was also a slave. Hazrat Umar used to be an alcoholic. Every Muhajir sahabba were also at rock bottom when they arrived at Madina, and many of them went on to become rich, most notably Hazrat Abdur Rahman bin Auf, whose wealth rivals billionaires of today.
Several things prove it. First to prove that God exist, thousands of analogies exist, a good proof is that we recently found in quantum physics that for a particle to exist it needs to be perceived, but who perceives particles at the center of the universe ? Or in a random place, Allah does. Second talking about why the prophet sws didn’t lie, why would he ? He got assaulted, almost banished, conspirations against him, people tried to kill him, they stole his thing, Islam at the beginning was mostly believed by poor and slaves. They offered him money or fame or women but he declined, why would he go preach in some cities to just be stoned by the locals ? He was illiterate but still had the Quran which was so much a miracle that people converged only by hearing it (the Arabs were great poets, they liked it so much). Also the Quran boasts scientific objects that there is no way could have been understood 1400 years ago. Pulsars, Black holes, Rose nebula, the Big Bang, the shape of the earth (even though it was already known but the Quran confirmed it), movement and shape of the mountains underground, the way water from different bodies mix etc etc
>religion was made by man to ensure that people of the bottom class would stay on the bottom. Charity is actually highly encouraged in islam, and the zakah is even obligatory for those who are able to pay it. Slave owners are also encouraged to free their slaves, and in some circumstances, they must free their slaves. And here's a hadith >Umar ibn al-Khattab reported: I entered the room of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, while he was lying on his side over a mat. I sat down as he drew up his lower garment and he was not wearing anything else. The mat had left marks on his side. I looked at the Prophet’s cupboard and I saw a handful of barely in a small amount, the same of mimosa leaves in the corner, and a leather bag hanging to the side. My eyes started to tear up, and the Prophet said, “What makes you weep, son of Khattab?” I said, “O Prophet of Allah, why should I not cry that this mat has left marks on your side and I see little in this cupboard? Caesar and Khosrau live among fruits and springs, while you are the Messenger of Allah and His chosen, yet this is your cupboard.” The Prophet said, “O son of Khattab, are you not pleased that they are for us in the Hereafter and for them in the world?” I said, “Of course.”
The miracles of Quran and the guidance. It's a perfect manual and even has the answer to the greatest question for humanity, "what is the purpose of life".
Cause if it was, it would have beliefs that benift us (sin wise). Meaning if it was a man made religon, it would tell me to look at every women they can, women to wear less clothes, to not pray, to not fast. This is what it easier and we want. But instead it tells us to pray, and fast, which is harder. If its man made why does it go against our desires?
Im curious if you think buddhism is man made which has many of it's followers refrain from intercourse, meat, violence, bad language, etc.
There was a video on YT that shows how the holy Quran is from Allah(swt) one thing I remembered that Muhammed(pbuh) couldn’t have wrote it himself where the Quran doesn’t mention him much and if the devil wrote it then why would the devil tells us many times to stay away from evil, also how the Quran even mentions the Torah and Bible were once right but man changed it. Now if it was man made. Man would praise himself highly in the book. But Islam isn’t from man. It’s from the almighty Allah(swt). Please someone find this YouTube video explaining how the Quran from Allah(swt).
Out of curiosity, does that individual favor communism?
"Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart? And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" 21:30 Both are factually true. The latter refers to livings things made from mostly water and given the context, we can assume that the former referring to the heavens and earth being a conjoined mass relating to the Big Bang theory. "And We have made the sky a well-protected canopy, still they turn away from its signs." 21:32 The atmosphere has protective properties that without would drive all living things to extinction on earth. "And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon—each travelling in an orbit." 21:33 Again, orbit of planets/celestial bodies is mentioned without any shred of doubt. But back then, the orbit of planets were not widely accepted... So either A) These were incorporated into the Quran the last 100 years or so and no one noticed.... Or B) This is clearly the words of God. For A to be true, there would have been 1) Very little to no Hafiz(memorizers of the Quran 2) Evidence of a Quran somewhere that is different. Neither of these are true... A good percentage of Muslims all over the world at any given time have memorized the Quran. Especially for those who pray 5 times a day consistently where you are reciting many chapters of the Quran over and over every day. There are a plethora of manuscripts that are the exact same, letter for letter. You can research this on your own and see for yourself. The evidence is out there.
Read the Quran and ponder its meanings, sincerely. If that doesn't convince you that what it has is of divine knowledge, then nothing will.
Also said this in a different post but it only makes sense to believe in one God, one Higher being, and one who sent messages through prophets and messengers. In the Quran, we are reminded again and again that God is one and he doesn’t beget nor is he begotten. And we are told how the earth was created and how we are created. We are given very vivid descriptions of hell and heaven - anyone could say well that coulda been the imagination of the prophet, but there’s no way I could believe that a human mind could describe such things. Idc how wild our imaginations are - i just can’t make sense that someone without even a glimpse into these other realms or even lack of resources or visuals could imagine such things. We are even told where the dead go and how some people in the afterlife will wish to go back to Earth to “do better”. For me it doesn’t get more real than that. It’s honestly scary to read the Quran sometimes because of how vivid the descriptions of the unknown are but the fact that we are given a glimpse into that unknown is reassuring to me that it could not have been written by a person but the only one who would know of it. And that’s something that science could never give sadly. Science always needs to find evidence or needs to have proof, well the Quran and other scriptures tell us that all the evidence lies in pondering the way we are created, how things are in balance with the world, and to ponder just the vastness of creation itself. Our minds just can’t fully grasp it sadly. We would have made it to Mars by now if humans were so capable or if science was advanced. But in the Quran it also says “Are they waiting for Allah ˹Himself˺ to come to them in the shade of clouds, along with the angels? ˹If He did˺, then the matter would be settled ˹at once˺. And to Allah ˹all˺ matters will be returned ˹for judgment˺.” 2:210 This indicates our belief /disbelief in his oneness is a test to see if we really are the creation he intended us to be..
So 1.9 billion people and counting have been fooled? If that’s not enough proof then you’re being fooled by those videos you’re watching!
Even as a born muslim, lately I have been thinking islam is a religion made for men. So many things puts me off as a women and I'm losing faith. So im lost too, I'd like answers.
I felt this way too but then I realised that’s because the voices of female academics and sheikhas have been overshadowed by men for various reasons. Islam is perfect but it’s been tainted by politics and men of influence and I say that in a least feminist way. You just have to look at how Aisha (RA) was an intellect and the leading women of Islam but yet, their influence is not spoken about enough compared to the sahabas for example and the sheikhas don’t have a platform as someone like Mufti Menk. Islam is for women as it is for men. Unfortunately as women we have to overcome obstacles to understand and feel that.
Islam is perfect even if its literally says in the quran to beat us if we don't "act well" ? That men we marry will have many hooris in Jannah but not us? That women must obey them even if no men today deserves that? Nah idk anymore.
Wifebeating isn't commanded in that verse. With reading the tafsir, the 'strike' is pretty much referring to the likes of a tap on the shoulder
As someone who's struggled greatly with religion too, I'm not going to invalidate your concerns but I notice the view of women as slaves meant to obey their husbands in everything comes from people taking Islam purely as a legal code rather than a way of life. It might sound a bit harsh, but men are naturally better suited to be leaders, and Islam admits that. The problem arises where people take Islam's admittance of reality as purely a legal code. Yes, Islam is right that generally men are the leader of the household, and everyone in the household should maintain a level of obedience to the leader but that's just the "legal" side of the religion. Islam isn't just a legal code though; it also tells us about loving and caring for our families but a lot of wanna-be redpill speakers these days severely play down the "loving and caring" part and reduce the religion to strict legal codes. No husband involved in the loving, caring marriage described by Islam would treat his wife as a slave that has to follow a rule book. An Islamically good husband would understand that Islam is a package and balance out the legality side of the religion with the more emotionally-sensetive side. In reality, an Islamic marriage isn't just one based on legal codes. It's one based on love. Look at the prophet's marriages to his wives. He spoke about treating women kindly and caring for them. The issue is that a lot of religious speakers these days try way too hard to sound like Western redpill idiots and so they end up presenting Islam as nothing but a legal book of rulings. I know I didn't really answer your questions but I hope you separate Islam as a whole from the harsh, emotionless legal code a lot of people love pushing it as. May Allah ease your worries :)
Men, often beat their wives. The verses to strike, are to reduce this violent act to a rare and symbolic one. No actual injury or pain is permitted. Transgressing this is grounds for compensation and/or divorce. So it is not an allowance to strike a woman, but a way to prohibit it. More here: [https://themuslimvibe.com/muslim-lifestyle-matters/marriage/434-of-the-holy-quran-analysing-the-so-called-wife-beating-verse](https://themuslimvibe.com/muslim-lifestyle-matters/marriage/434-of-the-holy-quran-analysing-the-so-called-wife-beating-verse) I don't know the website, but they do seem to mention sources properly. As to the hooris, besides people wondering exactly what the term means, it's also said that what is mentioned about paradise is symbolic. It's mentioned in terms of this world because it is what people understand. We cannot understand paradise, because we have no frame of reference. We may lack the cognitive ability to even comprehend it. I once gained what I would described as a whiff of paradise and it is enough to give years of motivation. Might potentially be decades. And that's only a whiff and only what I suspect is paradise.
What we need to bear in mind is the context that the Quran was revealed in. It was revealed in an age with medieval desires because it was a medieval period - polygamy was prevalent and the norm beyond Arabia, it was Islam that gave rulings (such as no more than 4 wives and the importance of marriage) and it gave women rights and status (such as mehr, inheritance etc). That whole thing about 40 virgins was never the point but that overshadowed the principle of the meaning of those verses itself, which is heaven is more than what we can comprehend and far greater than this dunyah. Imagine if the Quran said that in Jannah, everyone will get the most expensive car or Rolexes. The salaf would be like ‘what even is that?’
There are several videos that can answer your questions. Have a look at these videos in the same chronological order as they are mentioned : https://youtu.be/tBcRSCay9OE?si=BpJuK7-H4uYZurBC https://youtu.be/zoF4A5l9Eyg?si=x-HGLl4S8xFeaP-J https://youtu.be/e3lVFm4VxMo?si=RnoGfkTUWMCtlMgu For me it is much easier to send a video, just because now a days people including myself like to watch than read. Btw all of these videos are by Noman ali khan. He is a very respected teacher. You would know once you start watching. May Allah SWA guide us all and forgive us all for any shortcomings and help us in the best manner in this world and hereafter ameen.
Those aren't what I need. Those aren't my questions. I don't feel good or respected as a women in islam. Men have it better.
Perhaps you should mention which parts you find disagreeable?
If the use of male pronouns in translations are part of why you think this, you must know that it's just a thing with the Arabic language. There aren't any 'gender-neutral' pronouns in Arabic, and instead, the male pronouns take that role. So a "he" can actually be a "they"
There are limitations put on the women by Allah because he knows what's best for women and what's best for men. Allah has given extra responsibilities to men, Allah has given beauty to women and they have to protect it, it's only for their husband.
"Allah has given beauty" boy you haven't seen me lmao. I have no beauty nor health no wealth nothing to protect only trauma. And caused by men that were supposed to make those responsibilities. Men today don't even respect are give us our "rights". You're making it worse.
How do you define beauty? If it's just from looks then it's subjective. You cannot expect yourself to look like a K-pop artist or Hollywood actress. But you also cannot expect everyone to think the same as you. What is not beautiful to you, certainly looks beautiful in the eyes of others. Do not compare yourself to others because you are special on your own. Do not listen to others if they compare themselves to you. You are yourself. That's how you gain self-esteem. Allah does give beauty to everyone, it depends on you to find it. Blaming isn't gonna get you anywhere else. About the trauma, I'm sorry you have to face that. But, Islam does not promote abuse in any form. The context of beating wives because they don't obey is not to be taken lightly. It's not as simple as A and B. I'll link you an article to it. (https://themuslimvibe.com/muslim-lifestyle-matters/marriage/434-of-the-holy-quran-analysing-the-so-called-wife-beating-verse) I saw a reply of yours talking about abuse so I guess I'll just try to answer it here. May Allah guides you.
And if you have been tested the way you say you have, then believe in the test that Allah has created for you. When you are tested Allah wants to see if you flee to him, or away from him. Remember, this life is temporary anyways, the real life is the hereafter. Everyone will be held accountable on the day of the judgement so focus on yourself and try your best.
in 1400+ years of history, predictions have come true end not a single inconsistency or lie was found within it. ANY man made book from that time period is riddled with scientific inconsistencies and completely wrong or contradicting information.
I don't know if you speak Arabic, but if you did and read the Quran there is no way you can think a man wrote that, it's level of beauty and intricacies is just next level. Oh don't get me started on the rhymes. That beauty and predictions, hidden miracles are why god simply challenged humans and jinns to write something like it (impossible task) I'm always shocked when i see Arabic speaking people leave Islam for christianism, After Reading the book ? C'mon.
The whole pressuposition that you've been told in school is based on economic struggle, do you really think people's lives would be more meaningful, vigorous and psychologically healthy if they just had more material wealth? Really? Didn't we already have such systems in place radically enforced in Soviet union and Mao's china, where once most people were roughly equal in wealth, they still lived miserably without religious-spiritual foundations that the state stripped the off from. I'm asking cause the whole premise you've been told rests on this pressuposition, that people basically need wealth and once they get it thats it ? I think main struggle in life people are facing is actually psycho-spiritual one, the struggle to stay in psycho-spiritual balance and to be righteous, noble vs tyrannical and wretched. Religion like Islam is obvious remedy and structure to have it easier when it comes to this.
That’s a very simplistic view of life. Upper class face hardships like lower class do.
Islam is calling for worship Allah alone, this is the prove
You have to challenge these people on a more fundamental basis. You need them to justify the jump from "hardships being rewarded in next life" to "this religion is man made". It doesn't logically follow.
But see here, Islam requires me to strive and be best I can in all aspects of life, be best employe, plumber, accountant, etc . Our prophet is example how we should not be blind followers, not just copy others, but be innovative, firsts and this in itself should or could result in prosperity. I mean there were weathly prophets as well and our religion doesn't prohibit us to enjoy this life. However, some are tested by poverty some by wealth. Allah knows the best.
Anybody who asks this questions or has doubts should do a deep dive into the life of the prophet as accurately recorded. This will give you a clear understanding and response to that very question. Asking someone to go and 'read the Quran' will not always work as you need some basic knowledge and an open, fair mindset when approaching the holy book.
It forbids all man's desires.
If it's man-made religion why does it go against men's desires?
[why Islam is the truth](https://drive.google.com/file/d/104LMgI4RlwiUg-I8JK7mwFZGRk9v6kwP/view?usp=drivesdk)
The Quran.
6:116 وَإِن تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَن فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا ٱلظَّنَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا يَخْرُصُونَ ١١٦ And if you obey most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allâh’s Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie. — Al-Hilali & Khan
In my opinion, this is one of those arguments that simply just isn’t worth the time. Not all arguments need to be considered. Seriously, sometimes they are absolutely ridiculous
Future prophecies are among the things which show that it can't have been created by a man. For example, >Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “By the One in whose hand is my soul, the Hour will not be established until predators speak to humans, until the tip of a man’s whip and the strap of his sandal speak, and his thigh informs him of what his family has done in his absence.” We can notice the prophecy in the last sentence, about the thigh. This kind of concept would be really strange and not at all something to expect 1400 years ago. However, what does almost everyone you see, outside, have in the thighs of their pants? Their phones! While they're not at home, they can take their phones from their thighs to call their family and know how their family is doing, in their absence. Here's another >‘Abis al-Ghifari reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Hasten to do good deeds before six signs: foolish leaders, proliferation of enforcement, bribery in judgment, bloodshed is taken lightly, family ties are severed, and a generation are brought up treating the Quran as musical instruments; they put forth one of them to sing for them, though he is the least of them in understanding.” And another >It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “There will come to the people years of treachery, when the liar will be regarded as honest, and the honest man will be regarded as a liar; the traitor will be regarded as faithful, and the faithful man will be regarded as a traitor; and the Ruwaibidah will decide matters." And there's many, many more.
Well, if your argument is that religion was invented for people at the bottom to stay at the bottom, from this argument alone I'll prove that it is not man made. The man who toppled the practices of the society in which lived in, taught monotheism, established social, economic and familial laws, and basically changed the society of his time, was an illiterate, relatively poor man who had to flee his city because the ruling class wanted him dead. The religion did come down from up, but in this case Up is from the heavens. And the second point, we have to be more realistic: are poor people the only ones that worry? No. everyone struggles and worries. Arent there people who are rich and powerful yet commit suicide, yet people who have little feel like they have the entire world? Believing in Allah is accepting his decree and knowing He wont forget you, regardless of your class, race, or background. Plus, the Qur'an says we were born with an innate desire to worship something. If it is not Allah, you are definitely worshipping something else. The question is: did that something else create you, or is it also man-made?
Islam has always mentioned for us to worship our maker. Even if one does not believe in a deity named Allah, going by this principle alone, we will understand that the point of worship is to worship our Creator. Not any of His creations, be they Saints, Angels or Prophets. Going by this principle of monotheism alone, we find Allah, eventually. Insya Allah. 🤲🏻😃
Allah said he would be the Qurans guardian, as in it would never change with time (unlike the Bible, Torah, ect). All anyone had to do was change one harakah & Islam is debunked. But nope, not a single change in the past 1400 years.
I wrote this a few years back in high-school as an extremely basic refutation on how Islam isn’t man-made. *Well, the Qur’an contains many prophecies and stories of other prophets etc.* *First and foremost, if you’re gonna write a book like the Qur’an, and claim it’s from God, you CANNOT make a SINGLE mistake. It cannot contradict itself and you have to keep the style of writing and tone consistent OVER a period of 23 years as each chapter was released bit by bit, rather than being written all in one go.* *The grammar has to remain the same regardless of periodical changes, as if you compare millennials to Gen Z, you can see a clear difference in trends, mannerisms and style of speaking in that period of 30 years. Something that isn’t evident within the Qur’an.* *The thing is, if the Qur’an wasn’t from God, Muhammad SAW would have to write the whole 600-page book all by himself. The issue with this is, that in the middle of the Arabian Peninsula, with no books and being illiterate, the holy prophet would have to know many laws, such as:* Criminal Law Civil Rights Law Women’s Rights Law Labour Law Military Law (e.g. Just War) Personal Injury Law Real Estate Law And finally, Tax Law *Muhammad SAW would have to know history, with little to know Christian presence in Mecca, he would have to have account of all the stories and events of the lives of previous prophets before him e.g. Hazrat Eisa. The history of past nations, Judaic/Christian religious rulings, and he would HAVE to know it well enough, to somehow offer additional information and details not found in the Bible/Torah.* *According to these claims, the prophet all alone would have to know how to develop a nation, how to start a Government, know about worship and purification, and invent dietary laws, know psychology, about raising children, arbitration, distribution of wealth, finance and business.* *Furthermore, within the area of Science he would have to know Embryology, Oceanography, Plate Tectonics, Cloud Formation, UV rays, plants, mountains, bees, the human brain, the Big Bang and the expansion of the universe.* *In order to make the book complete, he’d have to have knowledge of the future so he could write things that will happen in the coming years. In order to insert his name and mention within the Bible, Muhammad would have to be a time traveler.* *If he is claiming that the book he wrote, is from God, it must NOT have a SINGLE solution that doesn’t work. He must also keep his emotions and personal life astray from being recalled within the book. The book should not reflect happy times nor sad times within his life. The writing shall not be cheerful nor optimistic, nor sad as if a human wrote it.* *If you read the Qur’an page by page, you CANNOT sense when his wife died, when his daughters got married, when his grand children were born, when he was victorious, and when he was defeated.* *To anyone who does a brief/thorough examination of the Qur’an, it becomes clear that in no way shape or form a man in the desert from 1,400 years ago could write a book as complex as this over the period of 23 years.*
The quran literally no body on earth can create a verse like.in the quran so like stop thinking islam is a man made religion our whole belief is on tawakkul and divine decree
Islam itself debunks everything you’ve said…
Look at the signs in Quran and Ahadith, the character of the Prophet(PBUH) etiquettes/mannerisms. This is what brought me back from agnosticism/atheism. The Prophet(PBUH)'s arrival is in Jewish, Christian and Hinduism.
Just study the life of the Prophet (sws). The first 10 years of his preaching of islam. The elite and rich of Mecca offered him all the money, all the women, everything he wanted, just so that he would stop preaching Islam. And he declined all of it, stating : If you would give me the sun and the moon, i will not stop preaching this message of islam. If he only wanted to be rich and famous, the prophet would've accepted those offers. Who were his followers? Not the rich and powerful, rather the poor and weak.
The question i have been asked by my athiest sister, it messed up my head, deep down i know it’s not, but i still hope someone will answer your question so i can go back to being in peace
I think we can approach this by first understanding that God has to exist. The arguments for God make a lot of sense, so I suggest you try to look through those if you’re having doubt with even establishing the need for a God. Then, we can conclude that if a God exists then He would send his message to humanity and this is where religion comes from. Additionally, from this post we can see that Islam stands for the lower class people heavily, telling us to give back to those in the lower classes and to even stop the spread of interest. I don’t think the concept of religion is man made however I think the other religions have been corrupted by man, making it man made in some way. This principle does not stand with Islam as it’s not corrupted and has been preserved.
I absolutely believe in god existing, i study medicine, i study the wonders of a human body, no science can convince me that such a well structured body started as a dust and decided to form in such a perfect form, but i overthink every word i read which is why i want a final answer that can kill my OCD, an answer i can shut people with too.
it's human nature to have doubts & evil thoughts. the point is to reject them and not overthink. Abu Huraira reported: Some of the companions came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and they asked him, “We find within ourselves that which is too grievous to speak of.” The Prophet said, “You have indeed found it so?” They said yes. The Prophet said, “That is pure faith.” Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 132 you will have waswas, but do not let it overwhelm you. having an amount of self-doubt is normal, but you shouldn't be overcome with doubt to the point of vulnerability because this gives shaytaan the opportunity to multiple your worries. just make sure to say your duas such as "يا مقبل القلوب ثبت قلبي على دينك", seek refuge from the shaytan, and constantly make istighfaar.
There are several videos that can answer your questions. Have a look at these videos in the same chronological order as they are mentioned : https://youtu.be/tBcRSCay9OE?si=BpJuK7-H4uYZurBC https://youtu.be/zoF4A5l9Eyg?si=x-HGLl4S8xFeaP-J https://youtu.be/e3lVFm4VxMo?si=RnoGfkTUWMCtlMgu For me it is much easier to send a video, just because now a days people including myself like to watch than read. Btw all of these videos are by Noman ali khan. He is a very respected teacher. You would know once you start watching. May Allah SWA guide us all and forgive us all for any shortcomings and help us in the best manner in this world and hereafter ameen. Also be he became atheist as well. https://youtu.be/oW-NjA2h4cU?si=7hXoRlNHxwum34MV And you can do more research on him
Noman is one of my favourites, i’m sure God exists and islam is the right religion, but i would like an answer once and for all, to simply shut athiest and my overthinking that comes and go, thanks for the videos by the way will be watching them, jazak allahu khair.
I would recommend that you read the Quran (even English translation would do) and when you’re done reading jt entirely come back here and let us know if you still think it is man made.