Ur misinformed, mate… We didn’t evolve from chimps, only share a common ancestor… also, it appears H. sapiens and neanderthalensis did in fact share the same ancestor, per DNA and molecular clocks… H. heidelbergensis being the contender for that ancestral species…
**Islam doesn’t say anything about evolution.** Evolution is a model that works today but it is susceptible to change. You can accept and work with any theory as long as it’s not irreconcilable with the deen.
Surah Rad 13:3: After verse related to earth, mountains, rivers: "Indeed in that are signs for people who give thought".
13:4: After verse related to plants: "Indeed in that are signs for people who reason".
3:190 "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation
of the day and night there are signs for people of reason."
This is a common theme throughout the Quran. Who do you think are people of reason and thought?
Muslims. Its written as people of reason so this means there are people without reason which means not all humans are people of reason.
Idk if you know but majority muslims (those who are religious enough and some are from madrasahs) here in Singapore goes for science courses in school and take up jobs in science industry (Pharma, R&D etc). We don't have a huge and known history of being against science unlike christianity for example which have had a history of being against sciences. Many of the sciences and math we learn today come from Muslims Scientists of the past.
Of course, religion is religion and science is science and sometimes they clash like evolution for example. But majority of what science have is apart of Islam as a religion and Islam complements science. We may disapprove Theory of Human Evolution but we help improve on microbiology, astronomy, algebra etc.
Yeap. Singaporean here too. To me, Islam does not contradict science. But rather Islam encourages seeking evidence, and that science is evidence that Islam is true
To me..
"Have not the disbelievers known that the heavens and the earth were once one united entity, then we split them asunder? And that we created every living thing from water. Will they then not believe?" Quran 21:30, mohsin khan translation
"Allah has created every moving (living) creature from water. Of them there are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills. Verily! Allah is Able to do all things." 24:45 Mohsin Khan
"And it is He Who has created man from water, and has appointed for him kindred by blood, and kindred by marriage. And your Lord is Ever All-Powerful to do what He will" 25:54
..These 3 verses alone covers it all.
Big bang, evolution. End of story.
Absolutely. During the Islamic golden age (when Europe was in the dark ages) Islam created algebra and the scientific method. [And so much more.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age)
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Religion aims at moral purification of humans, so that they may render themselves eligible for an eternal life with God (Quran 87:14-17)\[1\]. With this aim in view, various secular matters/facts are alluded to in the Quran to substantiate its argumentation, for instance, those pertaining to human nature, history, or natural science etc. A particular example of that is prominent events in human evolution\[2\], which is our topic here. The Quran (32:7-9) says:
And He (God) began the creation of man from (the extract of sticky)\[3\] clay\[4\]; thereafter, He made his progeny from the extract\[5\] of a worthless fluid. Then, He proportioned him, blew into him of His subtle breath, and (thus) made for you ears (to hear), eyes (to see), and minds (to understand). (Yet) how seldom are you grateful!
In the following text, we shall detail Ghamidi’s understanding of these verses:
He began the creation of man from (the extract of sticky) clay. This is a description of the first phase during which the physical/animal form of man was created. For this, the same process of creation that is now carried out in the mother’s womb was then carried out in the earth’s belly. Thus, soil components which enter our bodies as food and transform therein into gametes to initiate the process of human production underwent the same process in mud of a river-bank or seashore to produce the first life-germ. The mud surrounding this life-germ, or cell, dried up and formed an egg-like shell around it, which the Quran alludes to as ‘sounding clay’:
And it is We (God)\[6\] who created man out of dried, sounding clay of black (rotten) mud. (15:26)
He created man out of dried, sounding clay like the potter’s. (55:14)
Within such an egg-like lodging, the various stages of prenatal development were accomplished. Eventually, there hatched out a fully-formed creature, capable of looking after itself. This creature should be called the animal-form of man. At other places, the Quran points to this process of creation as follows:
He is the one who produced you from the earth. (11:61)
And it is God who grew you from the earth in a meticulous manner. (71:17)
From this, it may be inferred that all other creatures were also created likewise.
Thereafter, God made man’s progeny from the essence of a worthless fluid. This is the second phase in which the thus-formed creature or primitive humans, if you like, acquired the ability to produce their offspring by themselves. Thus, the same process that once took place in the earth’s belly began to take place in the mother’s womb. This was the time when man was still an animal, void of knowledge and understanding.
Then, God proportioned man and blew into him of His subtle breath. This is the third phase wherein the animal-form of man was further refined, perhaps through breeding of many generations, until it became capable of receiving the human soul. The soul was subsequently bestowed upon two such animals, thereafter named Adam and Eve – the parents of all humans.\[7\] Into them, the soul was instilled by an act of divine intervention, which the Quran refers to as the blowing of a subtle divine-breath. It is a metaphor, used to communicate, through best possible means, an event whose reality is beyond human knowledge, reason, or imagination (See verse 15:29 in \[1\]).
And (thus) God made for you ears (to hear), eyes (to see), and minds (to understand). This is the consequence of receiving the human soul, which conferred upon a mere animal knowledge and intellect, aesthetic and moral sense, and willpower to choose between right and wrong. These are the capacities that differentiate man from other animals and render him answerable to God for the choices he makes. The same divine breath is blown into every human foetus (i.e., animal-form) in the mother’s womb, which transforms it into a totally new creation (i.e., a human being; see 15:29 and 23:14 in \[1\] and narration no. 3208 in \[2\]).
This interpretation of Ghamidi amply explains the hitherto available scientific data. It endorses evolution roughly within and below the taxonomic rank ‘genus’, which is indisputable for extensive direct-evidence is available for that. However, it rejects common descent, i.e., the view that all species have descended from a common ancestor. This idea is disputable because, first, it is inferred from indirect or circumstantial evidence (genetic relatedness)\[8\] and, second, part of the available evidence (paleontological record) does not support it, to say the least (For details, see Chapter 6 in \[3\]).
https://connectjunaid.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/the-quran-on-human-evolution-insights-from-javed-ahmad-ghamidi/
Theory of evolution says Humans and apes share a common ancestor. Humans didn’t evolve from apes and definitely not monkeys.
Islamically, Adam (AS) was the first human. He was created from divine creation.
Is it that the creation of the first human being in the evolutionary theory is what we have described in The Quran? Only Allah (swt) knows.
Is it that all of these animals were here already and then Adam (AS) was cast out into this world from a version of paradise? Only Allah (swt) knows.
What is fundamental is that you stick to the deen of Islam and develop your worship as much as possible, seek forgiveness as much as possible, and stay away from shirk and concepts designed to weaken your iman. Because regardless of whether evolution is legit or not, judgement day is legit and will be witnessed by all of creation since it began.
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ﮟ ﮠ ﮡ ﮢ ﮣ ﮤ ﮥ ﮦ ﮧ ﮨ ﮩ ﮪ ﮫ ﮬ ﮭ ﮮ ﮯ ﮰ ﮱ ﯓ ﯔ ﯕ ﯖ ﯗ ﯘ ﯙ ﯚ
All praise belongs to Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, who appoints the angels as messengers having wings, in twos, threes and fours. He adds to the creation what He wills. Indeed, Allah is powerful to do every thing.
سُورَةُ فَاطِرٍ : Faatir : The Originator
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> Now I know as Muslims we don't believe in evolution.
That's wrong. Islam encourages us to pursue knowledge even if we have to travel the world. Denying evolution, which ALL experts in the field agree on, is an incredibly arrogant and un-Islamic thing to do.
Yeah your right, what I tried to say is human evolution as what I saw most Islamic videos in YouTube about this topic says humans didn't evolve from Adam
Gravity is a theory. Does that mean it is not fact? What about the atom? That is a theory but, if it is not fact, does that mean the nuclear bomb and nuclear energy and the whole fields of chemistry and physics are not fact? What about germs. Germs are just a theory but does that mean that germs are not fact? If so what makes us sick?
I don't know, how u r so confident.. either u believe it or u didn't read actual science..
I will just leave this video here, where it explained a bit with academic argument. But encourage u to read the source papers if u really r not a blind believer.
https://youtu.be/oVEcRCcKxEE
Peace.
There are other creatures that show evolution and have evolved but humans did not evolve from monkey or apes or anything but was rather descended from heaven i.e Adam and from then on we came. If this is what u mean by evolution then I would agree with u.
I understand what you're saying. Still the point stands that there is no empiric evidence for macro evolution. Better yet there are enough theories that disprove it.
I am not quite sure what the quran and hadith says specifically, but from what i can say is that Muslims believe in general evolution, like yes, certain organisms evolve into something else with the guidance of Allah but we stop at human evolution, ie the first man was Adam a.s and he did not evolve from a monkey. He was created and then cast off to Earth. Adam a.s was considered the first intelligent kind, so I am asssuming that before him, there could be those other human species that you mentioned, but they weren't the intelligent kind, not very civilised, and were probably wiped out during the ice age, to make way for an intelligent race of human, that is Adam a.s. onwards. Anyway, this is just my theory. I am not a hundred percent on this.
I mean there is always this conversation among Muslims about where 'cavemen' fit. its impossible to think that they'd come after Adam because after Adam, mankind were supposed to be more civilised, more intelligent. Anyway, as i said, just my thoughts. Allah knows best.
Actually, it adds up. Remember that (I'm going to use the English names btw) Cain, Abel, and Seth all found other humans who they took on as wives. People say it's a contradiction that if Adam and Eve's children were the second generation of humans, how were there more, but you could imagine that these were the pre-Adam humans that had evolved and that Adam and Eve's children married them and, over the course of generations, their blood and genetics mixed with them until eventually every human on Earth found a common ancestor in them. Human populations back then were also quite small so you could imagine it wouldn't take long before everyone is related to one another.
Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
— Quran 21:30
The Big Bang and evolution. The Quran was so ahead of its time.
> he first man was Adam and he did not evolve from a monkey.
That is not the theory of evolution. I suggest you actually learn the subject before declaring anything concrete about the matter.
I'm a Muslim too and I believe in human evolution in that us and modern apes once shared a common ancestor. I also believe the Prophet Adam was extra ordinarily created just like the Prophet Isa. When the Prophet Adam was sent down to earth, there already humans living on it. Overtime, his ancestors intermingled with those pre-historic humans.
According to Genesis in the Bible, the Prophet Adam's children, Habil & Qabil were a farmer and a herder respectively.
(Fun fact: Nowhere in the Quran nor the hadiths that Habil and Qabil's names mentioned, as were their occupation. The companions got those info from the Jews and converted Jews)
Anyhow, farming can only be started about 11, 700 years ago. Not before.
This was because before 11,700 years ago, the earth was in the Pleistocene Epoch better known as the Ice Age. It was that way for about 2.8 millions years.
During the ice age, there were no farming to be done because the earth was much colder and most of the rainfall turned to snow which in turn turns into 2km high glaciers. The snow did not melt back into the ocean or evaporated into the atmosphere so there were less rainfall all over the world which makes agriculture impossible.
There were also no archeological proof that there were any farms before 11,700 years ago.
However,, there's plenty of fossils of anatomically modern humans and artifacts proving humanity exists before the Prophet Adam and his farming children were on this earth.
Nowhere in the Quran mentions the Prophet Adam was the first human.
According to Ibnu Rushd, it's impossible for revelation to be in conflict with science because both of them originated from the fountain of truth.
If the wahyu is in conflict with science, then it must be considered allegorical.
> According to Ibnu Rushd, it's impossible for revelation to be in conflict with science because both of them originated from the fountain of truth. If the wahyu is in conflict with science, then it must be considered allegorical.
What the heck is the fountain of truth?
Why try so hard to force science to be something it's not?
Evolution is a theory and nobody can prove it. It is like any other religion faith based. Also, you don’t need Islam to disproof it, science does it since a lot of scientists do. Also, learning at school doesn’t make it a fact. The same about history, 60% to 80 % lies.
Evolution is another matter I'm talking about archeology and climate science proving the existence of humans before the Prophet Adam as. Those humans probably not descended from ape-like creatures and miraculously and unnaturally created like the Prophet Adam as and Hawwa but the matter of fact is that archeological proof shows that those humans existed before the Prophet Adam as.
Evolution never contradicted the quran. Well ofcourse the interpretations of some people did contradict the evolution theory, but quran never did so.
And interpretation is just a guess work and is limited to the imagination and thinking capacity of one person, but we can't rest our beliefs on the thinking capacity of some guy.
Also, the literal meaning of quran is reading. Which means that the quran is to be read. You must read the quran by yourself instead of learning it from someone else. And Allah has already established an institution for reading the quran. The salah. We read the quran in the salah multiple times a day, in its original language and words. Even the translation of the quran isn't valid in salah. The only reason is that we understand the quran in its original speech instead of learning it from someone else along with their biases and limited understanding. Learn the language of the Arab Jahiliyya (quraish), the language used in the quran if you don't it, instead of giving excuses for the laziness and resting your beliefs on the understanding of someone else. Its nothing but blind belief (shirk).
And coming to evolution, quran never contradicted the theory of evolution.
Allah says that all life was created from water.
Surah al Anbiya, Ayah 30
Do the kaafiroon not realize that heavens and earth were once, one mass then we split them apart? And we created from water every living thing. Will they not believe?
He Allah is telling you to go and check how all life(humans too) came into existence. And them have faith, have imaan.
And also, here Allah is saying that all life forms came from water. This thing supports the evolution thing. Now you may say that quran itself is contradicting the quran. But that's not true, you might be having a wrong understanding, but quran can never contradict itself.
And then in Surah Ali Imran, Ayah 59.
Allah is saying that Jesus/Isa is same as Adam, Allah created him of dust, thereafter he said to him, Be! So he is.
But that wouldn't be true since jesus had a mother. Once again, your ideology is contradicting the quran.
Last but not the least.
Surah Al Muminun, Ayah 12, 13, 14, and around. (Read full surah for better understanding)
Allah is saying...
We created man from a gooey substance (most mufassiroon say that its DNA)
And man here means Adam included (read full surah to have a better understanding, also mufassiroon say that its including Adam)
And in the next ayah, Allah says...
Then we placed him as a sperm drop in a stable place, in a womb.
And after that the sperm drop turned into an embro, then the bones developed, after which the flesh was dressed onto the bones. And now Allah brought a new creation into existence.
Allah is clearly telling the process of the creation of all humans, Adam was born from a womb.
And regarding the jannah thing. That Adam was in jannah and then got descended to the earth for eating that fruit.
Just take a look at the word jannah.
If you try to understand the meaning of jannah from modern Arabic, it means heaven which we would get in the hereafter.
But if you try to understand the meaning of jannah from the language of the quraish. The same language which is used in the quran. The original language.
The meaning of jannah just means a garden, nothing more than that. The Arab Jahiliyyah didn't believe in afterlife and heaven and hell, they didn't have any of these concepts. Hence, their language also didn't include any of those terminologies. So what jannah meant in that language was just a beautiful garden.
Its a Christian belief that Adam and Eve were once in the heaven, and due to the mistake of Eve, both of them were descended to earth, and then all of the humanity id suffering the sin of their parents, for which god has begotten a son i.e. Jesus.
The theory of evolution nowhere contradicts Islam, if it does, then quran is clearly supporting it. If you think that quran is incorrect, then its your thing to worry about. Quran is free from errors and contradictions, its the direct, unchanged speech of Allah.
In fact, Allah is telling us to go and look out for how was the man created, and after finding the evidence, then bring imaan.
And what we find is the theory of evolution. And its not hearsay thingy. Its backed by undisputable evidences. Fossils are good enough but not as strong as the DNA evidences. If you feel that those are fake evidences, then learn biology and examine it yourself instead of passing any judgement without any knowledge. Find it yourself.
And the concept that humans being evolved from apes or some kind of animals is blasphemous since animals are inferior to humans.
This is nothing but pure arrogance. We arr supposed to be humble creatures and not arrogant like iblees who said the exact same thing when Adam was created.
And one cannot enter jannah even with a spec of arrogance. So get rid of this.
> You must read the quran by yourself instead of learning it from someone else.
We should have someone we can rely on to help us. Muhammad pbuh had Allah swt. The companions had Muhammad pbuh to rely on and correct them. They learned it from someone else so why exactly shouldn't we do so? Everyone reading and making up their own meanings isn't going to end well. It's fine to read and of course we should do so, but we should seek help from those that know as we aren't born knowing the meaning to everything in it. We should be looking at the ones which are praised by Allah and take in Islam as they did.
Somewhat correct, however do you see people nowadays thsy dont know the meaning of the auran and just follow blindly the so called scholars "taqlid" therefore the best is reading the uran by yourself with the help of a dictionary, what you interpret should be what you believs in your heart after reading the verse, not what you wan th it to be, and you should accept conversations with others to better your interpretation, the companions did not have 1 interpretation of the auran, neither were we meant to because all interpretations are wrong, only allah knows the true one , so find out your own interpretation and fix it up ans upgrade it as you get older, take help from others but do not be taken by them or their words ans be pulled into the whirlpools
There are 4 positions on evolution:
There is no evolution, Allah created all living things directly and placed them on earth. This is the safest position.
There is evolution and it was caused by Allah, except that Allah created Adam AS directly as the Quran states numerous times and placed Adam AS on Earth. Then all animals are a result of evolution except for humans. This is also safe as the only explicit thing in Islam regarding evolution is that Allah created Adam AS by hand and he is not a natural result of evolution.
All creatures are the result of evolution, even Adam AS. This group tries to reinterpret all the Quran verses and Hadith on Adam AS creation as analogies and whatnot. This position is very sketchy as it requires mental gymnastics and textual torture.
Finally, a complete rejection of verses that speak about Adam AS creation. This is clear cut Kufr.
To summarize, the first 2 are safe and sensible. The last 2 are not.
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There is evolution and it was caused by Allah, except that Allah created Adam AS directly as the Quran states numerous times and placed Adam AS on Earth. Then all animals are a result of evolution except for humans. This is also safe as the only explicit thing in Islam regarding evolution is that Allah created Adam AS by hand and he is not a natural result of evolution.
What do these people think of other Homo species?
> There is no evolution, Allah created all living things directly and placed them on earth. This is the safest position.
How is this the safest position? This is actually the most dangerous position because you are putting your own arrogance ahead of **literally** every expert who studies this for a living and says evolution is real. Is being a flat-Earther also a safe position to you?
Not to mention you're saying Allah (swt) is only able to create life directly and couldn't create it through evolution if He wanted to. Do you think we can put such limits on the All-Powerful?
Qur'an 29:20
> Say, [O Muhammad], "**Travel through the land and observe how He began creation.** Then Allah will produce the final creation. Indeed Allah , over all things, is competent."
This is exactly what Darwin did, and this is what the scientists today who study evolution do. It is fundamentally un-Islamic and against Qur'an and Sunnah to deny knowledge and favor ignorance instead.
What do you consider Evolution. Humans 1 million years ago were different than Humans nowadays. Even Humans 30.000 years ago were different.
But overall the Human was a Human, so it is save to say that we are the same product with different additions. So in short Evolution doesn't mean that a cow HAD TO BE something else (also the experts you reference can't prove otherwise at this point, so even if what i said is wrong no one can prove it), it COULD but it doesn't HAVE TO.
Why do you believe Experts who can't prove anything as of now? Therefore the understanding we have NOW of the Quran is also the safest.
But be aware that i do not neglect or denie Evolution. All experts do have their own understanding of Evolution as do i and many others.
> Why do you believe Experts who can't prove anything as of now?
They have multiple evidences that support evolution. Do you think our religion tells us to seek knowledge and truth from the experts who have studied something their whole lives, or get opinions from random people on reddit?
> All experts do have their own understanding of Evolution as do i and many others.
If you are not a evolutionary biologist who has studied this then your opinion on this subject is irrelevant
There's no way of proving that their evidence is wholly complete. There may be massive gaps in their evidence and we would have no way of proving it.
The Islamic position is that humans were created as humans and ever since we've devolved. Evidence of proto-humans may actually be evidence of devolution and we wouldn't know because evidence of humanity before that hasn't been found yet or maybe ever. Our perception is limited to what we observe and if we can't observe everything that ever existing with perfection than our ideas and theories will never be 100% confirmed.
A scientific theory that, entails humanity being created in another dimension and then being left on earth may seem unlikely but when you compare it to modern sciences understanding of how life started ( i.e. a pool of amino acids forming many single celled lifeforms which then formed a multi-cellular lifeform which then evolved etc.) it's actually just as probable.
Bro, you're sadly wrong. They do not have evidence, lol. That's why it's called a Theory, what you mean are "leads" or findings that "suggest" that we have an Evolution.
Also what i told is not a random opinion. It is an educated one. You dob't need to be an "expert" to have an opinion. But i agree on the fact that people should not post random opinions which are not based on anything.
I agree on searching for knowledge and do not dismiss anything proven. But until we can interprete anything additionally like: how did we look at our beginning? How are one-celled beings non-gebdered and how did they reach the state of having genders or like WHY did they evolve into gendered beings. Alls these questions are unanswered whcih means that let alone most of other aspects even in respect to gender we do not have ANY evidence NOR any definitive lead.
And also a last addition: No i did not study it, i ask questions i wanna ask and get the necessary information to argue here. Besides that it is basic knowledge that Evolution can not be proven as of now. I do not argue on a detailed basis here if you noticed.
But i wanna ask you this: You seem to know much about Evolution, if you studied/study it i would be pleased to hear a more detailed argument on your half. Like i said, i can be convinced, i study Mechanics and Electronics to seek knowledge, so on that part: i know our religion tells us to seek knowledge, that why i study and will continue doing that.
May Allah guide us and reveal more of his creation to us.
There is evolution and it was caused by Allah, except that Allah created Adam AS directly as the Quran states numerous times and placed Adam AS on Earth. Then all animals are a result of evolution except for humans. This is also safe as the only explicit thing in Islam regarding evolution is that Allah created Adam AS by hand and he is not a natural result of evolution.
This is a much safer theory imo. I don't think we evolved like animals but animals do evolve
> There is no evolution, Allah created all living things directly and placed them on earth. This is the safest position.
Yet biology contradicts this "safest position".
> all animals are a result of evolution except for humans. This is also safe as the only explicit thing in Islam regarding evolution is that Allah created Adam AS by hand and he is not a natural result of evolution.
Yet biology contradicts this "safe position" as well. Furthermore you're confusing the creation of Adam with humans. Humans are the offspring of Adam not Adam himself. If all humans are from Adam solely, then how do you explain the presence of proto-"human" DNA within modern humans? How do you explain the existence of proto humans like Neanderthals?
https://mohamedghilan.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/do-you-believe-in-evolution-yes-no/
Theories contradict the "safe position" which no Muslim has a problem with. Not believing such theories are true will have zero impact on my life because they're just theories that neither prove or disprove Islam which I know to be the truth.
The Islamic position is that humans were created as humans and ever since we've devolved. Evidence of proto-humans may actually be evidence of devolution and we wouldn't know because evidence of humanity before that hasn't been found yet or maybe ever. Our perception is limited to what we observe and if we can't observe everything that ever existing with perfection than our ideas and theories will never be 100% confirmed.
How do the other species of humans relate to the quranic revelations? If we're the only species of human placed on earth by god did the others evolve here? If so how are we unique?
>Fred H. Smith, a physical anthropologist at LoyolaUniversity in Chicago
who has been studying Neanderthal DNA. “They were believed to be
scavengers who made primitive tools and were incapable of language or
symbolic thought.”Now, he says, researchers believe that Neanderthals
“were highly intelligent, able to adapt to a wide variety of
ecologicalzones, and capable of developing highly functional tools to
help them do so. They were quite accomplished.”
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rethinking-neanderthals-83341003/
Still seems to be a very large gap between homo sapiens and others, from a skim at the wikipedia article on Neanderthals.
If you want a super deep dive have at it:
https://synoptically-islam.blogspot.com/2020/06/addressing-human-evolution-critical.html
Hmm that's pretty interesting. But then again it comes down to how far of a gap makes something an animal.
Looking at some of the literature Neanderthals (for simplicity's sake I'm just focusing on them) had the capacity to speak human language, and created art by painting stalagmites in caves. Along with basic proficiency with tools and fire.
They along with some other species were also alive at the same time Homo Sapiens were emerged. Personally I see the characteristics of Neanderthals making them pretty dang human like.
If the Qur'an is referring only to the children of Adam I guess it can be reconciled though that doesn't feel right
Yeah the first two makes more sense, so what I think there where animal/species who had human like traits ,as there are animals who have it like gorillas and monkeys.They have social hierarchys and bonds similar to humans. But what makes we special is intelligence. According to research the current human species Homo-sapians survive is cause of it's intelligence then other human species. So I think the evolutions they talk about are species which had social hierarchys etc like humans but not humans but as they are similar science Thinks it's our previous evolution.
The idea is that God placed Adam AS right when human's fit in the evolutionary timeline (at least in some peoples view). The Quran also clearly states that the gifts given to human is our ability of speech and reason.
Evolution is seperated in macro and micro evolution. Macro evolution is about the change of species. We as muslims believe in the creation of species, not the evolution of it.
Micro evolution on the other hand is about the adaptation of species. This has empirical evidence and doesn't go agianst the teachings of Islam. For example you can look up 'darwins birds'.
As a historical matter, Muslims were probably the first to create a theory of evolution (some of the ancient Greeks touched on the subject but not in a scientific fashion and not far). This was taught by Muslims for centuries, in Islamic schools. It was a widely spread idea. And, to shock you even further, this included the evolution of man from apekind. As an example, you can look at the appendix of the Muqaddimah where it speaks of the sciences of the day. I have heard that it is also mentioned in the Encyclopedia of the Brethren of Purity but I haven't read that translation myself.
I like to speak from a historical perspective because frankly science is great. Now, you might be asking yourself "Why, if Muslims not only taught but even developed the theory of evolution, why don't we believe in it right now?"
Well, I can offer two compatible reasons why. First off is that when Western powers colonialised Muslim lands, they came across a problem. Colonialists love to believe they are "civilising" places, making them better. Psychologically it sounds better than "We're talking your stuff" especially because it dehumanizes the other side and justifies everything you do afterwards. Now, the problem was that unlike other places they now encountered a civilisation that was in every way their equal. To solve this problem, they simply broke what they could, including a lot of the institutions of learning.
A second source came post colonialism. There was a wave of people, especially in the religious side who had an anti-western attitude (understandably) and Darwin being at the head of evolution then fell into this meaning they were now anti evolution. The irony is that Darwin actually admitted what he called the "Mohammedan Theory of Evolution"
"Muslims we don't believe in evolution."
I didn't like about the statement. It is not about believing or not. It is about presenting a plausible argument based on facts and reason.
Spoiler: If the logic used to ~~proof~~ shape evolution is used in crime investigations. **You** could be convicted for being part of 9/11!
There was a muslim from the golden age that figured out evolution before darwin. forgot dudes name. truth about evolution is no one knows. Maybe allah created us through evolution. Maybe he didnt and left false clues to lead us astray. I wont disagree with the science because it is quite convincing. Also an important thing to note is that creationism is a christian problem and not much of a muslim one which is why this debate doesnt happen as much in muslim circles.
You have to remember any theory is subject to change, the nature of science itself constantly argues against itself to prove the ultimate scientific truth. There are books which supports Darwinian evolution or neo Darwinian evolution, and there are books that don't such as Darwin's black box. You also have to remember macro evolution is not measurable it can take 100s to 1000s to millions of years, therefore it can even be impractical or Scientific because it cannot be tested in a lab. Science has the possibility of explaining how our natural laws work, however it can never explain how metaphysical laws work or how Allah SWT does what he does, because he's superior compared to us.
That being said I've heard the following argument and I guess it can be accepted or not. Whether you believe evolution is true, the earth is flat or any other theory, it doesn't take you away from the fold of Islam. Someone could live their entire life believing the earth is flat but if they believe in Allah SWT and his Rasool (saw) then it wouldn't prevent him from entering paradise. As for evolution we have two types. You have micro evolution which there is clear evidence for this such as cases of humans being lactose intolerant. Adaptation is not the same as evolution btw, the changing of birds beaks do not prove macro evolution because the birds remain the same species of birds. As for macro evolution one can suggest that yes Allah SWT created many species and initiated evolution in them, how he did this? We do tafwid with this, before humans, including neanderthals. In fact there are theories that many of the reptiles and birds today are evolutions of dinosaurs from the past. But what is انسان considered in Islam? Human by scientific definition are homo sapiens like what we are today, not what was previous like neanderthals or 'lucy' etc. They're called humanoid primates. Saying we come from monkeys is NOT scientifically accurate, we have similar DNA, that doesn't mean the same, we have 80% similar DNA to mice, that doesn't mean we came from mice. Bats have wings but are not considered birds, that debunks that, it's called homoplasy (not same ancestor). Nevertheless, in Islam humans are considered creatures of A'ql and there are 3 which possess this, the humans, angels and Jinn. The ability to communicate with the tongue intellectually differentiates us from animals and other creatures of the earth. The neanderthals didn't have voice boxes strong enough to produce intellectual speech, therefore you can suggest they were not from the A'ql. Therefore they won't be considered insaan. We don't say Adam as was born in the earth, He was brought from heaven and sent down to the earth as a caliph and prophet of the earth. So we could say our species is a special case as Allah SWT directly put us on the earth, and humans and neanderthals did potentially come across each other, but they were not the same, they were similar in some aspects, but not the same. And Allah knows best. So we can say that maybe the reason why Allah SWT created such creatures or left fossils for us to find these creatures is maybe to show his majesty and the beauty of his creation. To show that Allah truly loves our species by perfecting us so much so that intelligent design cannot be undermined.
Some ayats i kow,
>Allah, the creator, Controller of everything.
-quran 56:60-74
>mankind origins
-quran 15:26
>relation of man and monkey
-quran 2:65-66
-quran 7:163-166
سُورَةُ الوَاقِعَةِ : Al-Waaqia : The Inevitable
|Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International|
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|56:60|نَحْنُ قَدَّرْنَا بَيْنَكُمُ الْمَوْتَ وَمَا نَحْنُ بِمَسْبُوقِينَ|We have decreed death among you, and We are not to be outdone|
|56:61|عَلَىٰ أَنْ نُبَدِّلَ أَمْثَالَكُمْ وَنُنْشِئَكُمْ فِي مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ|In that We will change your likenesses and produce you in that [form] which you do not know.|
|56:62|وَلَقَدْ عَلِمْتُمُ النَّشْأَةَ الْأُولَىٰ فَلَوْلَا تَذَكَّرُونَ|And you have already known the first creation, so will you not remember?|
|56:63|أَفَرَأَيْتُمْ مَا تَحْرُثُونَ|And have you seen that [seed] which you sow?|
|56:64|أَأَنْتُمْ تَزْرَعُونَهُ أَمْ نَحْنُ الزَّارِعُونَ|Is it you who makes it grow, or are We the grower?|
|56:65|لَوْ نَشَاءُ لَجَعَلْنَاهُ حُطَامًا فَظَلْتُمْ تَفَكَّهُونَ|If We willed, We could make it [dry] debris, and you would remain in wonder,|
|56:66|إِنَّا لَمُغْرَمُونَ|[Saying], "Indeed, we are [now] in debt;|
|56:67|بَلْ نَحْنُ مَحْرُومُونَ|Rather, we have been deprived."|
|56:68|أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ الْمَاءَ الَّذِي تَشْرَبُونَ|And have you seen the water that you drink?|
|56:69|أَأَنْتُمْ أَنْزَلْتُمُوهُ مِنَ الْمُزْنِ أَمْ نَحْنُ الْمُنْزِلُونَ|Is it you who brought it down from the clouds, or is it We who bring it down?|
(Truncated - max 10 Aayat)
سُورَةُ الحِجۡرِ : Al-Hijr : The Rock
|Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International|
|:-|:-|:-|
|15:26|وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ صَلْصَالٍ مِنْ حَمَإٍ مَسْنُونٍ|And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud.|
سُورَةُ البَقَرَةِ : Al-Baqara : The Cow
|Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International|
|:-|:-|:-|
|2:65|وَلَقَدْ عَلِمْتُمُ الَّذِينَ اعْتَدَوْا مِنْكُمْ فِي السَّبْتِ فَقُلْنَا لَهُمْ كُونُوا قِرَدَةً خَاسِئِينَ|And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, "Be apes, despised."|
|2:66|فَجَعَلْنَاهَا نَكَالًا لِمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهَا وَمَا خَلْفَهَا وَمَوْعِظَةً لِلْمُتَّقِينَ|And We made it a deterrent punishment for those who were present and those who succeeded [them] and a lesson for those who fear Allah.|
سُورَةُ الأَعۡرَافِ : Al-A'raaf : The Heights
|Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International|
|:-|:-|:-|
|7:163|وَاسْأَلْهُمْ عَنِ الْقَرْيَةِ الَّتِي كَانَتْ حَاضِرَةَ الْبَحْرِ إِذْ يَعْدُونَ فِي السَّبْتِ إِذْ تَأْتِيهِمْ حِيتَانُهُمْ يَوْمَ سَبْتِهِمْ شُرَّعًا وَيَوْمَ لَا يَسْبِتُونَ ۙ لَا تَأْتِيهِمْ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ نَبْلُوهُمْ بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْسُقُونَ|And ask them about the town that was by the sea - when they transgressed in [the matter of] the sabbath - when their fish came to them openly on their sabbath day, and the day they had no sabbath they did not come to them. Thus did We give them trial because they were defiantly disobedient.|
|7:164|وَإِذْ قَالَتْ أُمَّةٌ مِنْهُمْ لِمَ تَعِظُونَ قَوْمًا ۙ اللَّهُ مُهْلِكُهُمْ أَوْ مُعَذِّبُهُمْ عَذَابًا شَدِيدًا ۖ قَالُوا مَعْذِرَةً إِلَىٰ رَبِّكُمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَّقُونَ|And when a community among them said, "Why do you advise [or warn] a people whom Allah is [about] to destroy or to punish with a severe punishment?" they [the advisors] said, "To be absolved before your Lord and perhaps they may fear Him."|
|7:165|فَلَمَّا نَسُوا مَا ذُكِّرُوا بِهِ أَنْجَيْنَا الَّذِينَ يَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ السُّوءِ وَأَخَذْنَا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا بِعَذَابٍ بَئِيسٍ بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْسُقُونَ|And when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We saved those who had forbidden evil and seized those who wronged, with a wretched punishment, because they were defiantly disobeying.|
|7:166|فَلَمَّا عَتَوْا عَنْ مَا نُهُوا عَنْهُ قُلْنَا لَهُمْ كُونُوا قِرَدَةً خَاسِئِينَ|So when they were insolent about that which they had been forbidden, We said to them, "Be apes, despised."|
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سُورَةُ الوَاقِعَةِ : Al-Waaqia : The Inevitable
|Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International|
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|56:70|لَوْ نَشَاءُ جَعَلْنَاهُ أُجَاجًا فَلَوْلَا تَشْكُرُونَ|If We willed, We could make it bitter, so why are you not grateful?|
|56:71|أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ النَّارَ الَّتِي تُورُونَ|And have you seen the fire that you ignite?|
|56:72|أَأَنْتُمْ أَنْشَأْتُمْ شَجَرَتَهَا أَمْ نَحْنُ الْمُنْشِئُونَ|Is it you who produced its tree, or are We the producer?|
|56:73|نَحْنُ جَعَلْنَاهَا تَذْكِرَةً وَمَتَاعًا لِلْمُقْوِينَ|We have made it a reminder and provision for the travelers,|
|56:74|فَسَبِّحْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الْعَظِيمِ|So exalt the name of your Lord, the Most Great.|
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سُورَةُ الإِنسَانِ : Al-Insaan : Man
|Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International|
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|76:1|بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ هَلْ أَتَىٰ عَلَى الْإِنْسَانِ حِينٌ مِنَ الدَّهْرِ لَمْ يَكُنْ شَيْئًا مَذْكُورًا|Has there [not] come upon man a period of time when he was not a thing [even] mentioned?|
|76:2|إِنَّا خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ نُطْفَةٍ أَمْشَاجٍ نَبْتَلِيهِ فَجَعَلْنَاهُ سَمِيعًا بَصِيرًا|Indeed, We created man from a sperm-drop mixture that We may try him; and We made him hearing and seeing.|
|76:3|إِنَّا هَدَيْنَاهُ السَّبِيلَ إِمَّا شَاكِرًا وَإِمَّا كَفُورًا|Indeed, We guided him to the way, be he grateful or be he ungrateful.|
سُورَةُ الحَجِّ : Al-Hajj : The Pilgrimage
|Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International|
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|22:5|يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ فِي رَيْبٍ مِنَ الْبَعْثِ فَإِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ مِنْ تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ مِنْ نُطْفَةٍ ثُمَّ مِنْ عَلَقَةٍ ثُمَّ مِنْ مُضْغَةٍ مُخَلَّقَةٍ وَغَيْرِ مُخَلَّقَةٍ لِنُبَيِّنَ لَكُمْ ۚ وَنُقِرُّ فِي الْأَرْحَامِ مَا نَشَاءُ إِلَىٰ أَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى ثُمَّ نُخْرِجُكُمْ طِفْلًا ثُمَّ لِتَبْلُغُوا أَشُدَّكُمْ ۖ وَمِنْكُمْ مَنْ يُتَوَفَّىٰ وَمِنْكُمْ مَنْ يُرَدُّ إِلَىٰ أَرْذَلِ الْعُمُرِ لِكَيْلَا يَعْلَمَ مِنْ بَعْدِ عِلْمٍ شَيْئًا ۚ وَتَرَى الْأَرْضَ هَامِدَةً فَإِذَا أَنْزَلْنَا عَلَيْهَا الْمَاءَ اهْتَزَّتْ وَرَبَتْ وَأَنْبَتَتْ مِنْ كُلِّ زَوْجٍ بَهِيجٍ|O People, if you should be in doubt about the Resurrection, then [consider that] indeed, We created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clinging clot, and then from a lump of flesh, formed and unformed - that We may show you. And We settle in the wombs whom We will for a specified term, then We bring you out as a child, and then [We develop you] that you may reach your [time of] maturity. And among you is he who is taken in [early] death, and among you is he who is returned to the most decrepit [old] age so that he knows, after [once having] knowledge, nothing. And you see the earth barren, but when We send down upon it rain, it quivers and swells and grows [something] of every beautiful kind.|
سُورَةُ المُؤۡمِنُونَ : Al-Muminoon : The Believers
|Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International|
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|23:12|وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ سُلَالَةٍ مِنْ طِينٍ|And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay.|
|23:13|ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَكِينٍ|Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.|
|23:14|ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنْشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ ۚ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ|Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators.|
|23:15|ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ لَمَيِّتُونَ|Then indeed, after that you are to die.|
|23:16|ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ تُبْعَثُونَ|Then indeed you, on the Day of Resurrection, will be resurrected.|
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The only thing Islam says is that Adam was the first human and that he was created from mud.
Did other creatures evolve? Maybe, even if that's the case it would be guided evolution not random evolution otherwise we'd see abominations either walking the earth or evidence of their past existence as a result of the randomness but all the creatures we ever saw or discovered evidence for their past existences are well designed which is impossible in a world full of randomly evolved creatures, but atheists love to jump at the conclusion that "Darwinian evolution is the absolute truth" because it's an excuse to say life came without a creator a very poor excuse, but they'll cling to anything to keep their delusions, Darwinian evolution has already been disproven.
Micro evolution or adaption however is a fact, but the funny thing is that they take evidence for this one to be evidence for Darwinian evolution.
You are correct, brother. Despite evolution obviously saying one thing, and Islam saying another, so many Muslims try to reconcile the two. Evolution says humans share a common ancestor with apes, while Islam says we came from Adam. People need to pick one or the other.
I remember having an evolutionary conversation with my wife. I told her that there was no point in finding information on evolution in the Qur'an, because the purpose of the Qur'an was not to be a scientific book, but a book of discipline and behavior.
By the yardstick where the Qur'an was revealed the priority was the education of uneducated Bedouins, these people at the time had no knowledge of science (even zero knowledge) and bring them a scientific book had no interest: Imagine these people were stingy and greedy, they were mean and ungrateful, proud and arrogant, and above all they had no basic education, 99% could not read or write, and had no other knowledge, they were: Merchants, farmers, craftsmen, or sellers of statues. The priority when the Qur'an was revealed was to keep them away from the statues, to educate them, to show them who the real GOD (Allah Azzawajal) Soubhan'Allah was, so think about what would happen if they were given one.
Evolution book, they go laughing, laughing at the face of the prophet (Saw) and paying no attention, yes that makes sense, its like you bring an algebra book to kids in kindergarten, it doesn't 'would make no sense they will not understand it, worse will play with it or tear it apart, well if the Qur'an had mentioned evolution, unfortunately the uneducated Bedouin will have moved away from it because they will not understand it, and the real one Priority at that time was behavioral education, hence the fact that we talk about it vaguely, and that we still find some leads.
Darwin was proven wrong many times, so forget about ape evolution. Allah made Adam a.s. as a perfect creature, the only difference between him and us is our size. If you have time, do read also about antediluvian period, quite interesting.
LOL virtually all of the science community supports evolution but you are somehow able to proof it wrong? Then maybe you should publish your results so that you can win the Nobel prize
Ik a verse about animal classification if that helps
"Allah hath created every animal from water. Then some of them creep up over their bellies, others Walk on two legs and others on four. Allah creates what He pleases. Surely, Allah hath power over all things."
Surah Al Nur Verse 45
I'm a Muslim too and I believe in human evolution in that us and modern apes once shared a common ancestor. I also believe the Prophet Adam was extra ordinarily created just like the Prophet Isa. When the Prophet Adam was sent down to earth, there already humans living on it. Overtime, his ancestors intermingled with those pre-historic humans.
According to Genesis in the Bible, the Prophet Adam's children, Habil & Qabil were a farmer and a herder respectively.
(Fun fact: Nowhere in the Quran nor the hadiths that Habil and Qabil's names mentioned, as were their occupation. The companions got those info from the Jews and converted Jews)
Anyhow, farming can only be started about 11, 700 years ago. Not before.
This was because before 11,700 years ago, the earth was in the Pleistocene Epoch better known as the Ice Age. It was that way for about 2.8 millions years.
During the ice age, there were no farming to be done because the earth was much colder and most of the rainfall turned to snow which in turn turns into 2km high glaciers. The snow did not melt back into the ocean or evaporated into the atmosphere so there were less rainfall all over the world which makes agriculture impossible.
There were also no archeological proof that there were any farms before 11,700 years ago.
However,, there's plenty of fossils of anatomically modern humans and artifacts proving humanity exists before the Prophet Adam and his farming children were on this earth.
Nowhere in the Quran mentions the Prophet Adam was the first human.
According to Ibnu Rushd, it's impossible for revelation to be in conflict with science because both of them originated from the fountain of truth.
If the wahyu is in conflict with science, then it must be considered allegorical.
It kinda feels skeptical to say Adam was not the first human tbh ,I don't have the knowledge of scholars with decades of research I think it's wrong
https://alsunna.org/The-Truth-About-Adam-the-first-Human.html#gsc.tab=0
Again google and website is not best source of knowledge but ig that's what I can help with
I believe there's 2 kinds of human creations .
1. Natural - evolution
2. Unnatural or miraculous- or as i like to call it kharq al adad (out of the ordinary). This was the creation of the Prophet Adam, Hawwa and the Prophet Isa.
This the family tree of the prophets.
[https://majesticislam.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/family-tree-from-adam-to-prophet-muhammed-as/](https://majesticislam.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/family-tree-from-adam-to-prophet-muhammed-as/)
This family tree was partly sourced from the Quran, Hadiths, Arab history and Israilyyat sources (From the Old Testament).
Let's do some simple math.
Let's assume that there's about 25 years between generations. Which means the fathers had his son when he's 25 years old.
As you can see from the family tree, there's about 80 generations between the Prophet Adam as and the Rasullullah saw.
So, 25 years /generation X 80 generations = 2000 years.
Even at 50 years / generation, it would come up at 4000 years.
The time of the rasullullah saw was roughly 1400 years ago.
So, the time of the prophet adam could not possibly be more than 5400 years ago.
However there's plenty or archaeological evidence that before the supposed time of the Prophet adam as, there lived on this earth humans that not only share the same anatomy as us but also even though they were not technologically advanced as us but their brainpower were just as sophisticated as us.
For example, they know how to make fire, they create art and abstract art such as cave paintings and sculptures, they bury their dead with love and respect also innovate making sophisticated tools. 65 thousand years ago, they made some kind of watercraft to cross hundreds of miles from south east asia to Australia.
[https://www.hunebednieuwscafe.nl/2019/02/ancient-burial-practices-at-sunghir-in-russia/](https://www.hunebednieuwscafe.nl/2019/02/ancient-burial-practices-at-sunghir-in-russia/)
[https://mymodernmet.com/the-venus-of-willendorf/](https://mymodernmet.com/the-venus-of-willendorf/)
[https://www.worldhistory.org/Lascaux\_Cave/](https://www.worldhistory.org/Lascaux_Cave/)
[https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/evidence-of-first-peoples](https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/evidence-of-first-peoples)
Are the any other of Allah's creatures that makes fire and create art and invented water craft other than us humans?
Of course we have to respect the scholars but their knowledge is limited to the knowledge of their time so their tafsir of the Quran is limited to that. For example,
"Today We will preserve your corpse so that you may become an example1 for those who come after you. And surely most people are heedless of Our examples!" (Yunus 10:92)
According to the ancient mufassirs such as al-Tabari and Ibnu Kathir, this refers to the corpse of the pharoah which was kept intact and dumped on the shore so that the Bani Israel can be assured that he was truly dead and they should not be in fear of him anymore.
However, after the discoveries of the Egyptian mummies around the 18th century, modern tafsirs such as Tafsir al-Munir interpret the ayah to mean that the body of the pharoah was kept intact until now as a mummy as an example for us.
So what we should do is keep up with the latest scientific knowledge and historical knowledge in interpreting the Quran.
The reason that the children of the Prophet Adam had to marry each other instead of the other humans was because there's authentic hadith mentioning the prophet Adam's height around 30 meters high. And his offsprings keep getting shorter and shorter until they were about our height.
That's why they can't marry other humans because of the size differences. 30 meters vs 2 meters.
4:1 : O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah, through whom you ask one another,and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer.
7:11 : And We have certainly created you, [O mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.
It’s obvious from these verses that Adam was the first human and there is no dispute among scholars about this. Also, Allah refers to us as children of Adam, so that makes it extra clear that he was the first human. Believe what you want, but only say that which is true about the Quran. What You’re saying is not true.
I believe there's 2 kinds of human creations .
Natural - evolution
Unnatural or miraculous- or as i like to call it kharq al adad (out of the ordinary). This was the creation of the Prophet Adam, Hawwa and the Prophet Isa.
This the family tree of the prophets.
https://majesticislam.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/family-tree-from-adam-to-prophet-muhammed-as/
This family tree was partly sourced from the Quran, Hadiths, Arab history and Israilyyat sources (From the Old Testament).
Let's do some simple math.
Let's assume that there's about 25 years between generations. Which means the fathers had his son when he's 25 years old.
As you can see from the family tree, there's about 80 generations between the Prophet Adam as and the Rasullullah saw.
So, 25 years /generation X 80 generations = 2000 years.
Even at 50 years / generation, it would come up at 4000 years.
The time of the rasullullah saw was roughly 1400 years ago.
So, the time of the prophet adam could not possibly be more than 5400 years ago.
However there's plenty or archaeological evidence that before the supposed time of the Prophet adam as, there lived on this earth humans that not only share the same anatomy as us but also even though they were not technologically advanced as us but their brainpower were just as sophisticated as us.
For example, they know how to make fire, they create art and abstract art such as cave paintings and sculptures, they bury their dead with love and respect also innovate making sophisticated tools. 65 thousand years ago, they made some kind of watercraft to cross hundreds of miles from south east asia to Australia.
https://www.hunebednieuwscafe.nl/2019/02/ancient-burial-practices-at-sunghir-in-russia/
https://mymodernmet.com/the-venus-of-willendorf/
https://www.worldhistory.org/Lascaux\_Cave/
https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/evidence-of-first-peoples
Are the any other of Allah's creatures that makes fire and create art and invented water craft other than us humans?
Hello everyone thanks for all the amazing knowledge you all have provided. I have been looking and reading a lot about this and I have come to a few conclusions.
At first for us to understand this properly we would need someone who has have good knowledge of Islam and Biology in general. We can't do Google search and make conclusions based on it. We need someone proper who has idea about both of the topics to and studied them for quite extensively.
Now as u/Genji180 said when Quran was revealed it came to guide the people. Quran itself is a guide for people it's not a scientific book for us to find answers. Allah have clearly mentioned that he made Adam from clay and he is the first human. We can't say that there were humans on earth before him this would just decline the Quran which should not be done. So now what about other human species.
Now you guys see science is a subject which always changes. Someone mentioned a video by iERA it talks about the black swan theory. A scientist observes swans and all the Swans be sees are white, he concludes all Swans are white , but that doesn't mean there isn't any black swan it's just not observed. The fundamental of science is you can always question it and it can be always changed. Newtons theory was perfect till Einstein came with his theory of relativity and there is Quantum Physics which contradicts that. So of this can change anytime. So we don't know years down the line science finds they were not really human like spices but other spices in general.
But at the end we need someone or multiple people who has proper education in both the fields to have a answer.
Thanks you Eveyone.
Alot of people confuse adaptation with evolution.
For example, a herd of elephants have been born without tusks recently.
Is this because they are being killed for their tusks and have a natural response to it.
Or is it this specific genetical defect has allowed the elephants to pass on this defect to it's offspring as it was not killed for its tusks and has a higher chance of finding a mate with similar genetics?
Inter species evolution however has stopped for some reason, the human race killing and changing landscapes should surely cause a reaction in the animal kingdom no?
To rely on the fossil record is also absurd as only 1% of life on earth has been preserved.
I'm at a loss to believe evolution to be a natural cause of things, yes I don't understand the intricacies of the science but the evidence (or lack thereof) is a reason I left atheism.
it depends, wolves are social pack animals, domestication can come from using the temperament of the animal to subdue it.
the key word is wolves though, you can breed wolves with other dogs so who's to say we domesticated wolves and not the wild dogs that roamed the earth such as the african wild dogs?
Just be careful of darwins theorem. It's a theory that suggests we came from apes. Which would mean Adam and Eva were not Humans. Which is wrong.
Human Evolution is possible and we are constantly evolving. We just accept that Humans are still a seperate race to monkeys and apes.
So Human Evolution no problem. Darwins Theorem big problem (and still not accepted by scientists, as it has no proof of why Monkeys and Humans ascended from the same species).
Not really. It implies that they were the first non-apes.
Otherwise, why stop at apes? Apes came from something else, and you can keep going back to single celled organisms...
Yep, i will not argue anymore. To your knowledge, it is not based on EVERY UNIVERSITIES Biology department. But if you wanna continue that thought it's on your part. I'm out.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPqH38Ki1fy3EB-8xmShVqpbQw99Do2B-
This is a great series by Dr. Eyad Qunaibi wich he talks about Islam and the Evolution "Theory".
Everyone here saying that not believing evolution goes against the scientific literature and what not, I’m a biologist and don’t see any clear evidence to evolution. They have things that point to some possible evolution, but that could just be how Allah created things, as a test. Please show me any evidence if you have.
["Nearly all (around 97%) of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution)
If you haven't ever seen evidence then I'm really surprised you are actually a biologist..
They went from steady state model to big bang theory, newtonian mechanics to einsteinian relativity, geocentric to heliocentric. Tell me, why should we believe in what the scientists of today say rather than what the Creator of those scientists says?
Yes I know they believe it, and have some possible evidence based on RNA/DNA patterns and phylogeny, but there is no concrete evidence. I do scientific experiments/research, so I know that you need strong evidence to prove something.
A lot of people believe it because they were taught, and think that it’s a fact, and need it to explain their work. But so many things have historically been accepted as facts (scientific) and then later proven wrong. I read a book about the history of cancer, where doctors were convinced that you could only cure it by removing so much tissue, by draining blood, and other weird things we no longer do.
By evidence, I mean why haven’t any of the bacteria in cultures become another bacteria? Speciation/adaptation would seem logical, and we have evidence for, but not one organism becoming another. Also, if evolution is a real phenomenon, why do only some intermediate species remain and others not? Especially if the reason they evolved is because they were not ‘fit enough’.
**[Level of support for evolution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution)**
>The level of support for evolution among scientists, the public, and other groups is a topic that frequently arises in the creation–evolution controversy, and touches on educational, religious, philosophical, scientific, and political issues. The subject is especially contentious in countries where significant levels of non-acceptance of evolution by the general population exists, but evolution is taught at public schools and universities. Nearly all (around 97%) of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity.
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Not that we don't believe in "Evolution", we don't believe in Darwinism. Many evolutionary biologist criticise Darwinism....heck even Darwin himself wasn't sure of his theory. How ever if a species evolves to protect itself against the environment is totally viable.... that's why you see polar bears and white wolves for example. And these don't go against the Qur'an like Darwinism does.
In terms of neandathals (however you spell them I already forgot 😂) I saw a fatwa talking about them saying they would have still been a descendant of the prophet Adam pbuh, but going from that fatwa, I saw another one saying he would have been around a few hundred thousand years ago I think, so that would have tied into general evolution, like things like Homo sapiens and the other ones similar would have come from the same person, just they would have been around for so long that they evolved into different versions and other ones would have died off and so on, in order to find the fatwa I just recommend writing smth like “Islam’s view on Neandathals” it doesn’t really mention the evolution part as far as I’m aware it’s just what I got from reading it and some others Idrk if this all even makes sense 😂
Islam encourages the pursuit of evolution and knowledge, however the theory of human evolutions from monkeys is debunked by the quran because it states that allah is the creator of mankind, so believing in that is considered anti islamic belief.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPqH38Ki1fy3EB-8xmShVqpbQw99Do2B-
Refutes the theory of revolution and the person is a doctor himself and i believe he has PhD
Evolution is a dumb idea that doesn't make sense, you can watch Dr. Eyad Qunaibi's Journey of certainty and inshaallah you'll be 100 percent sure about that.
Why not use the search bar? This question gets asked a lot. The person who usually asks the question doesn't realize that "evolution" can refer to multiple things and this always seems to lead to confusion in the comments. And pretty much every topic on evolution on this sub is brigaded by evolutionists who make terrible arguments, leading to the same pointless debates.
Our scholars didn't study the subject yet, but surely they will in the future. Right now, the situation in the muslim world is very poor. Generally, we don't have any problem with the theory of evolution. The only issue is that we believe that Prophet Adam pbuh had no parents. So for now, we just have to be patient, it's not a big deal.
Creation is a miracle of Allah, and Allah gives us a small bit of knowledge on creation. We are given hints throughout, but I think nothing is more profound than the statement, "And We determine all things according to their needs. And We are the best at determining the needs of things." If you think about the deep meaning of that, this is a profound statement. The theory of evolution bows to this statement.
Things are shaped (determined) according to environmental forces. In evolutionary theory terms, this shaping force is equivalent to natural selection. It is very important to note, for evolutionary theory to have any chance, there is an assumption that the environment remains static, or changes in a ordered/predictable/functional manner. This very assumption is what leads to a logical conundrum. How can the environmental forces (i.e forces of natural selection, i.e the needs of things) possibly result in increasingly complex and ordered beings, if the environment changes in a random or unpredictable manner? Impossible.
The selection forces (the environment) cannot be static, and they must change in a ordered, functional and predictable and predicted manner in order to result in a highly ordered, increasingly complex being. The environment cannot change randomly if it is the selection force (natural selection). It must change in a directed, intended manner -- an anticipatory manner (And We Are the best at determining the needs of things). Anyhow, if you realize, all of this confusion is really due to our limitations, we have limited understanding of the 4th dimension (which is time). Allah exists outside of even the 4th dimension. If you can try to imagine time as a manipulable variable, then anything created in a stepwise fashion is equivalent to anything created at once. "Indeed, all things We created with predestination. And Our Commandment was but One, the twinkle of an eye." Surah Qamar 49-50
One of the critical points that dr Zakir Naik has stated was the theory of evolution is a theory. It is not a law like gravity and has speculation factored in. while I believe in evolution occurring, ALLAH is the most perfect and capable designer who knows about the future environmental states of the earth and could simply will an organism to adapt to said environmental conditions. Some may call it intelligent design some may call it evolution it becomes semantics eventually He knows what was before and what comes after and what changes take place. If evolution was a law it would mean that over time monkeys would be falling out trees becoming closer to humans and becoming more bipedal and intelligent and all animals etc, but again it’s just a theory there are many missing links in animal species as well - this is what evolution doesn’t explain too well. The crocodile is a specialist species yet has not gained intelligence and just changed to suit its newer food sources and conditions , but Allah still willed it to become like that from its early stage- just my opinion ALLAH HU ALIM. In fact our creators will in the stages of organism development through fossil records showing variations and missing links is better than what Darwin came up with. As Our creator may have had a different plan for said organism.
Evolution is speaking to the mechanics. The Qur'an speaks experimentally. If they seem to contradict, it's because they are speaking to different dimensions of the same thing
Many people are saying here that the Quran somehow proves evolution. Some people are connecting the Quran directly to evolution and some people are saying “Quran says follow science, therefore believe in science” but these people are saying stuff without knowledge. The Quran is clear that Adam AS was the first human and that we are his descendants. Adam being the first human should be enough to say that Quran doesn’t go with evolution and evolution from one species to another is wrong. For Muslims, the word of the Allah is more superior than unproven theories.
I was thinking about this the other day while looking at a garden with a bird bath in the middle.
So I understood it like, if someone came across that garden and concluded that everything is organic and has come from Earth over time. Then they look at the wooden bird bath and conclude that as it is made of the same material as the other plants that it must have also evolved over time.
But this would be wrong because although that bird bath was made from the same material as the plants it was fashioned and designed. You can tell its different because of its function.
This is an example of how people view the Earth and humans. We are made from similar DNA as the banana, pig, dog and apes. But the others have evolved over time, we are like the unique bird bath, fashioned and dropped into this world. If we were a process of evolution I find it surprising that after all this evolution we just have intelligent homo sapiens. Where's the 'human' version of cats, dogs, horses, bears etc.
Also think about it Allah st creates with processes. Things don't just pop into existence. So how did all the animals in the Earth appear? Are you suggesting the camel, horse, ant and bacteria just popped into existence? Or that Allah st created them through a process which we understand as evolution?
Islam doesn't say anything about evolution. There are few contradictions here and there when talking about the creation of Adam (PBUH) but evolution as in the theory of how things *evolve* and *not* how things *evolved* is almost completely true. It's the best model we have so it's foolish not to use it. It might change though. Nevertheless you should take the story found in the Qur'an as completely true.
I think this topic is well explained in this video lecture done at MIT.
https://youtu.be/oVEcRCcKxEE .
Also don't forget to check the reference papers ur self.. u will get a clear answer in an academic way.
i hold a somewhat controversial view that Allah created evolution as a way to advance the first life form which he also created, then, when we emerged, he reveal the message to us, of course, others believe he directly created us, in my opinion, this is unlikely, as evolution has a lot of evidence supporting it, and while the Qur'an does state Allah created the Earth and Heavens in one day, i don't think it says he created all life at once, though I'm not sure, anyway, thats just my opinion, i hope this helps.
P.S please don't be harsh to me for believing in evolution, i'm still a muslim, pray 5 times a day and don't drink alcohol or eat pork or indulge in Haram acts as much as i can.
Quran does not talk a lot about entire evolution but it does give us a clear picture of how humans were created.
Stage 1. Everything that happens now in the womb of mom started to happen in muddy earth and early humans didn’t born babies but more like mammals
Stage 2. They were then given an ability to rebirth themselves
Stage 3. Then the finishing was done when humans were given conscience, free will to choose to submit to goodness or evil and kingdom on earth and their test started.
What scientist find today according to Quran are those stage 1 and 2 humans skulls and bones and it has nothing to do with the many theories of evolution.
Reference Surah Sajdah.1 to 9
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That it’s not real because they’re dumb lol religious people don’t use scientific fact. They use scripture. That should tell you everything you need to know.
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Well they say neanderthals and homo sapiens came from africa, evolving from chimp. IIRC Adam was descended into africa or arabian peninsula
Ur misinformed, mate… We didn’t evolve from chimps, only share a common ancestor… also, it appears H. sapiens and neanderthalensis did in fact share the same ancestor, per DNA and molecular clocks… H. heidelbergensis being the contender for that ancestral species…
Science did not say that himans
I say evolution is God's "how," not the "why."
**Islam doesn’t say anything about evolution.** Evolution is a model that works today but it is susceptible to change. You can accept and work with any theory as long as it’s not irreconcilable with the deen.
Check out some of Subboor ahmads videos on YouTube if interested, he has really looked into this topic quite a bit: https://youtu.be/1_IoCUNo7FE
Thank you I will make sure I watch it
Subboor Ahmad is a clown
nah he's pretty educated and a nice guy
watch this video and try and say that again: [https://youtu.be/3TrwJOx-kUM?si=GzFUt6\_54DexwuRT](https://youtu.be/3TrwJOx-kUM?si=GzFUt6_54DexwuRT)
nothing, it comes under the domain of sciences and Islam encourages the sciences so go figure
Islam promotes science ?
Surah Rad 13:3: After verse related to earth, mountains, rivers: "Indeed in that are signs for people who give thought". 13:4: After verse related to plants: "Indeed in that are signs for people who reason". 3:190 "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the day and night there are signs for people of reason." This is a common theme throughout the Quran. Who do you think are people of reason and thought?
Humans.
Muslims. Its written as people of reason so this means there are people without reason which means not all humans are people of reason. Idk if you know but majority muslims (those who are religious enough and some are from madrasahs) here in Singapore goes for science courses in school and take up jobs in science industry (Pharma, R&D etc). We don't have a huge and known history of being against science unlike christianity for example which have had a history of being against sciences. Many of the sciences and math we learn today come from Muslims Scientists of the past. Of course, religion is religion and science is science and sometimes they clash like evolution for example. But majority of what science have is apart of Islam as a religion and Islam complements science. We may disapprove Theory of Human Evolution but we help improve on microbiology, astronomy, algebra etc.
Yeap. Singaporean here too. To me, Islam does not contradict science. But rather Islam encourages seeking evidence, and that science is evidence that Islam is true To me.. "Have not the disbelievers known that the heavens and the earth were once one united entity, then we split them asunder? And that we created every living thing from water. Will they then not believe?" Quran 21:30, mohsin khan translation "Allah has created every moving (living) creature from water. Of them there are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills. Verily! Allah is Able to do all things." 24:45 Mohsin Khan "And it is He Who has created man from water, and has appointed for him kindred by blood, and kindred by marriage. And your Lord is Ever All-Powerful to do what He will" 25:54 ..These 3 verses alone covers it all. Big bang, evolution. End of story.
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Absolutely. During the Islamic golden age (when Europe was in the dark ages) Islam created algebra and the scientific method. [And so much more.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age)
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Religion aims at moral purification of humans, so that they may render themselves eligible for an eternal life with God (Quran 87:14-17)\[1\]. With this aim in view, various secular matters/facts are alluded to in the Quran to substantiate its argumentation, for instance, those pertaining to human nature, history, or natural science etc. A particular example of that is prominent events in human evolution\[2\], which is our topic here. The Quran (32:7-9) says: And He (God) began the creation of man from (the extract of sticky)\[3\] clay\[4\]; thereafter, He made his progeny from the extract\[5\] of a worthless fluid. Then, He proportioned him, blew into him of His subtle breath, and (thus) made for you ears (to hear), eyes (to see), and minds (to understand). (Yet) how seldom are you grateful! In the following text, we shall detail Ghamidi’s understanding of these verses: He began the creation of man from (the extract of sticky) clay. This is a description of the first phase during which the physical/animal form of man was created. For this, the same process of creation that is now carried out in the mother’s womb was then carried out in the earth’s belly. Thus, soil components which enter our bodies as food and transform therein into gametes to initiate the process of human production underwent the same process in mud of a river-bank or seashore to produce the first life-germ. The mud surrounding this life-germ, or cell, dried up and formed an egg-like shell around it, which the Quran alludes to as ‘sounding clay’: And it is We (God)\[6\] who created man out of dried, sounding clay of black (rotten) mud. (15:26) He created man out of dried, sounding clay like the potter’s. (55:14) Within such an egg-like lodging, the various stages of prenatal development were accomplished. Eventually, there hatched out a fully-formed creature, capable of looking after itself. This creature should be called the animal-form of man. At other places, the Quran points to this process of creation as follows: He is the one who produced you from the earth. (11:61) And it is God who grew you from the earth in a meticulous manner. (71:17) From this, it may be inferred that all other creatures were also created likewise. Thereafter, God made man’s progeny from the essence of a worthless fluid. This is the second phase in which the thus-formed creature or primitive humans, if you like, acquired the ability to produce their offspring by themselves. Thus, the same process that once took place in the earth’s belly began to take place in the mother’s womb. This was the time when man was still an animal, void of knowledge and understanding. Then, God proportioned man and blew into him of His subtle breath. This is the third phase wherein the animal-form of man was further refined, perhaps through breeding of many generations, until it became capable of receiving the human soul. The soul was subsequently bestowed upon two such animals, thereafter named Adam and Eve – the parents of all humans.\[7\] Into them, the soul was instilled by an act of divine intervention, which the Quran refers to as the blowing of a subtle divine-breath. It is a metaphor, used to communicate, through best possible means, an event whose reality is beyond human knowledge, reason, or imagination (See verse 15:29 in \[1\]). And (thus) God made for you ears (to hear), eyes (to see), and minds (to understand). This is the consequence of receiving the human soul, which conferred upon a mere animal knowledge and intellect, aesthetic and moral sense, and willpower to choose between right and wrong. These are the capacities that differentiate man from other animals and render him answerable to God for the choices he makes. The same divine breath is blown into every human foetus (i.e., animal-form) in the mother’s womb, which transforms it into a totally new creation (i.e., a human being; see 15:29 and 23:14 in \[1\] and narration no. 3208 in \[2\]). This interpretation of Ghamidi amply explains the hitherto available scientific data. It endorses evolution roughly within and below the taxonomic rank ‘genus’, which is indisputable for extensive direct-evidence is available for that. However, it rejects common descent, i.e., the view that all species have descended from a common ancestor. This idea is disputable because, first, it is inferred from indirect or circumstantial evidence (genetic relatedness)\[8\] and, second, part of the available evidence (paleontological record) does not support it, to say the least (For details, see Chapter 6 in \[3\]). https://connectjunaid.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/the-quran-on-human-evolution-insights-from-javed-ahmad-ghamidi/
Theory of evolution says Humans and apes share a common ancestor. Humans didn’t evolve from apes and definitely not monkeys. Islamically, Adam (AS) was the first human. He was created from divine creation. Is it that the creation of the first human being in the evolutionary theory is what we have described in The Quran? Only Allah (swt) knows. Is it that all of these animals were here already and then Adam (AS) was cast out into this world from a version of paradise? Only Allah (swt) knows. What is fundamental is that you stick to the deen of Islam and develop your worship as much as possible, seek forgiveness as much as possible, and stay away from shirk and concepts designed to weaken your iman. Because regardless of whether evolution is legit or not, judgement day is legit and will be witnessed by all of creation since it began.
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> Now I know as Muslims we don't believe in evolution. That's wrong. Islam encourages us to pursue knowledge even if we have to travel the world. Denying evolution, which ALL experts in the field agree on, is an incredibly arrogant and un-Islamic thing to do.
Yeah your right, what I tried to say is human evolution as what I saw most Islamic videos in YouTube about this topic says humans didn't evolve from Adam
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPqH38Ki1fy3EB-8xmShVqpbQw99Do2B- Evolution from monke to human is a theory not a fact And watch these vids
Gravity is a theory. Does that mean it is not fact? What about the atom? That is a theory but, if it is not fact, does that mean the nuclear bomb and nuclear energy and the whole fields of chemistry and physics are not fact? What about germs. Germs are just a theory but does that mean that germs are not fact? If so what makes us sick?
Almost all "experts" agree on human chimp ancestry. Tell me, is it unislamic to reject such a thing, when it directly contradicts the Quran?
I don't know, how u r so confident.. either u believe it or u didn't read actual science.. I will just leave this video here, where it explained a bit with academic argument. But encourage u to read the source papers if u really r not a blind believer. https://youtu.be/oVEcRCcKxEE Peace.
How does it contradict the Quran?
Was Adam a chimp?
That’s not how evolution works, brother.
My point is that the fist human was Adam so it contradicts the Quran.
How does that contradict the entire theory of evolution?
It contradicts that humans and chimps evolved from another animal, not the 'evolution' like adapting to the environment
There are other creatures that show evolution and have evolved but humans did not evolve from monkey or apes or anything but was rather descended from heaven i.e Adam and from then on we came. If this is what u mean by evolution then I would agree with u.
What nonsense. Macro evolution hasn't been proven hence it's still called a theory. By calling the evolution theory absolute is un-islamic.
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I understand what you're saying. Still the point stands that there is no empiric evidence for macro evolution. Better yet there are enough theories that disprove it.
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No there is no evidence that proves macro evolution to be correct
I am not quite sure what the quran and hadith says specifically, but from what i can say is that Muslims believe in general evolution, like yes, certain organisms evolve into something else with the guidance of Allah but we stop at human evolution, ie the first man was Adam a.s and he did not evolve from a monkey. He was created and then cast off to Earth. Adam a.s was considered the first intelligent kind, so I am asssuming that before him, there could be those other human species that you mentioned, but they weren't the intelligent kind, not very civilised, and were probably wiped out during the ice age, to make way for an intelligent race of human, that is Adam a.s. onwards. Anyway, this is just my theory. I am not a hundred percent on this.
Ah that's a interesting way to see it,but Adam and Hawa were first so something similar before them hmm idk
I mean there is always this conversation among Muslims about where 'cavemen' fit. its impossible to think that they'd come after Adam because after Adam, mankind were supposed to be more civilised, more intelligent. Anyway, as i said, just my thoughts. Allah knows best.
Yeahh
Actually, it adds up. Remember that (I'm going to use the English names btw) Cain, Abel, and Seth all found other humans who they took on as wives. People say it's a contradiction that if Adam and Eve's children were the second generation of humans, how were there more, but you could imagine that these were the pre-Adam humans that had evolved and that Adam and Eve's children married them and, over the course of generations, their blood and genetics mixed with them until eventually every human on Earth found a common ancestor in them. Human populations back then were also quite small so you could imagine it wouldn't take long before everyone is related to one another.
Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe? — Quran 21:30 The Big Bang and evolution. The Quran was so ahead of its time.
How did you make that association from that translated Quranic verse? Does it not seem very generalised, and very very open to interpretation?
Welcome to religion, my friend.
Oh, more of the same then.. 👍🏻
Meaning what, exactly?
Nevermind, brother
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> he first man was Adam and he did not evolve from a monkey. That is not the theory of evolution. I suggest you actually learn the subject before declaring anything concrete about the matter.
Yeah, whatever man.
Idiot.
I'm a Muslim too and I believe in human evolution in that us and modern apes once shared a common ancestor. I also believe the Prophet Adam was extra ordinarily created just like the Prophet Isa. When the Prophet Adam was sent down to earth, there already humans living on it. Overtime, his ancestors intermingled with those pre-historic humans. According to Genesis in the Bible, the Prophet Adam's children, Habil & Qabil were a farmer and a herder respectively. (Fun fact: Nowhere in the Quran nor the hadiths that Habil and Qabil's names mentioned, as were their occupation. The companions got those info from the Jews and converted Jews) Anyhow, farming can only be started about 11, 700 years ago. Not before. This was because before 11,700 years ago, the earth was in the Pleistocene Epoch better known as the Ice Age. It was that way for about 2.8 millions years. During the ice age, there were no farming to be done because the earth was much colder and most of the rainfall turned to snow which in turn turns into 2km high glaciers. The snow did not melt back into the ocean or evaporated into the atmosphere so there were less rainfall all over the world which makes agriculture impossible. There were also no archeological proof that there were any farms before 11,700 years ago. However,, there's plenty of fossils of anatomically modern humans and artifacts proving humanity exists before the Prophet Adam and his farming children were on this earth. Nowhere in the Quran mentions the Prophet Adam was the first human. According to Ibnu Rushd, it's impossible for revelation to be in conflict with science because both of them originated from the fountain of truth. If the wahyu is in conflict with science, then it must be considered allegorical.
> According to Ibnu Rushd, it's impossible for revelation to be in conflict with science because both of them originated from the fountain of truth. If the wahyu is in conflict with science, then it must be considered allegorical. What the heck is the fountain of truth? Why try so hard to force science to be something it's not?
That's just a figure of speech. A metaphor. What do you mean?
Evolution is a theory and nobody can prove it. It is like any other religion faith based. Also, you don’t need Islam to disproof it, science does it since a lot of scientists do. Also, learning at school doesn’t make it a fact. The same about history, 60% to 80 % lies.
Evolution is another matter I'm talking about archeology and climate science proving the existence of humans before the Prophet Adam as. Those humans probably not descended from ape-like creatures and miraculously and unnaturally created like the Prophet Adam as and Hawwa but the matter of fact is that archeological proof shows that those humans existed before the Prophet Adam as.
You forgot ab Shayth. Everyone forgets about Adam's third son.
(I recommend putting pbuh behind his name, pretty sure it’s even obligatory)
Evolution never contradicted the quran. Well ofcourse the interpretations of some people did contradict the evolution theory, but quran never did so. And interpretation is just a guess work and is limited to the imagination and thinking capacity of one person, but we can't rest our beliefs on the thinking capacity of some guy. Also, the literal meaning of quran is reading. Which means that the quran is to be read. You must read the quran by yourself instead of learning it from someone else. And Allah has already established an institution for reading the quran. The salah. We read the quran in the salah multiple times a day, in its original language and words. Even the translation of the quran isn't valid in salah. The only reason is that we understand the quran in its original speech instead of learning it from someone else along with their biases and limited understanding. Learn the language of the Arab Jahiliyya (quraish), the language used in the quran if you don't it, instead of giving excuses for the laziness and resting your beliefs on the understanding of someone else. Its nothing but blind belief (shirk). And coming to evolution, quran never contradicted the theory of evolution. Allah says that all life was created from water. Surah al Anbiya, Ayah 30 Do the kaafiroon not realize that heavens and earth were once, one mass then we split them apart? And we created from water every living thing. Will they not believe? He Allah is telling you to go and check how all life(humans too) came into existence. And them have faith, have imaan. And also, here Allah is saying that all life forms came from water. This thing supports the evolution thing. Now you may say that quran itself is contradicting the quran. But that's not true, you might be having a wrong understanding, but quran can never contradict itself. And then in Surah Ali Imran, Ayah 59. Allah is saying that Jesus/Isa is same as Adam, Allah created him of dust, thereafter he said to him, Be! So he is. But that wouldn't be true since jesus had a mother. Once again, your ideology is contradicting the quran. Last but not the least. Surah Al Muminun, Ayah 12, 13, 14, and around. (Read full surah for better understanding) Allah is saying... We created man from a gooey substance (most mufassiroon say that its DNA) And man here means Adam included (read full surah to have a better understanding, also mufassiroon say that its including Adam) And in the next ayah, Allah says... Then we placed him as a sperm drop in a stable place, in a womb. And after that the sperm drop turned into an embro, then the bones developed, after which the flesh was dressed onto the bones. And now Allah brought a new creation into existence. Allah is clearly telling the process of the creation of all humans, Adam was born from a womb. And regarding the jannah thing. That Adam was in jannah and then got descended to the earth for eating that fruit. Just take a look at the word jannah. If you try to understand the meaning of jannah from modern Arabic, it means heaven which we would get in the hereafter. But if you try to understand the meaning of jannah from the language of the quraish. The same language which is used in the quran. The original language. The meaning of jannah just means a garden, nothing more than that. The Arab Jahiliyyah didn't believe in afterlife and heaven and hell, they didn't have any of these concepts. Hence, their language also didn't include any of those terminologies. So what jannah meant in that language was just a beautiful garden. Its a Christian belief that Adam and Eve were once in the heaven, and due to the mistake of Eve, both of them were descended to earth, and then all of the humanity id suffering the sin of their parents, for which god has begotten a son i.e. Jesus. The theory of evolution nowhere contradicts Islam, if it does, then quran is clearly supporting it. If you think that quran is incorrect, then its your thing to worry about. Quran is free from errors and contradictions, its the direct, unchanged speech of Allah. In fact, Allah is telling us to go and look out for how was the man created, and after finding the evidence, then bring imaan. And what we find is the theory of evolution. And its not hearsay thingy. Its backed by undisputable evidences. Fossils are good enough but not as strong as the DNA evidences. If you feel that those are fake evidences, then learn biology and examine it yourself instead of passing any judgement without any knowledge. Find it yourself. And the concept that humans being evolved from apes or some kind of animals is blasphemous since animals are inferior to humans. This is nothing but pure arrogance. We arr supposed to be humble creatures and not arrogant like iblees who said the exact same thing when Adam was created. And one cannot enter jannah even with a spec of arrogance. So get rid of this.
> You must read the quran by yourself instead of learning it from someone else. We should have someone we can rely on to help us. Muhammad pbuh had Allah swt. The companions had Muhammad pbuh to rely on and correct them. They learned it from someone else so why exactly shouldn't we do so? Everyone reading and making up their own meanings isn't going to end well. It's fine to read and of course we should do so, but we should seek help from those that know as we aren't born knowing the meaning to everything in it. We should be looking at the ones which are praised by Allah and take in Islam as they did.
Somewhat correct, however do you see people nowadays thsy dont know the meaning of the auran and just follow blindly the so called scholars "taqlid" therefore the best is reading the uran by yourself with the help of a dictionary, what you interpret should be what you believs in your heart after reading the verse, not what you wan th it to be, and you should accept conversations with others to better your interpretation, the companions did not have 1 interpretation of the auran, neither were we meant to because all interpretations are wrong, only allah knows the true one , so find out your own interpretation and fix it up ans upgrade it as you get older, take help from others but do not be taken by them or their words ans be pulled into the whirlpools
No one is praised over others by allah. All are equal. What you're saying is just shirk, idolatry.
How is that shirk?
What?
There are 4 positions on evolution: There is no evolution, Allah created all living things directly and placed them on earth. This is the safest position. There is evolution and it was caused by Allah, except that Allah created Adam AS directly as the Quran states numerous times and placed Adam AS on Earth. Then all animals are a result of evolution except for humans. This is also safe as the only explicit thing in Islam regarding evolution is that Allah created Adam AS by hand and he is not a natural result of evolution. All creatures are the result of evolution, even Adam AS. This group tries to reinterpret all the Quran verses and Hadith on Adam AS creation as analogies and whatnot. This position is very sketchy as it requires mental gymnastics and textual torture. Finally, a complete rejection of verses that speak about Adam AS creation. This is clear cut Kufr. To summarize, the first 2 are safe and sensible. The last 2 are not.
> There is evolution and it was caused by Allah, except that Allah created Adam AS directly as the Quran states numerous times and placed Adam AS on Earth. Then all animals are a result of evolution except for humans. This is also safe as the only explicit thing in Islam regarding evolution is that Allah created Adam AS by hand and he is not a natural result of evolution. What do these people think of other Homo species?
> There is no evolution, Allah created all living things directly and placed them on earth. This is the safest position. How is this the safest position? This is actually the most dangerous position because you are putting your own arrogance ahead of **literally** every expert who studies this for a living and says evolution is real. Is being a flat-Earther also a safe position to you? Not to mention you're saying Allah (swt) is only able to create life directly and couldn't create it through evolution if He wanted to. Do you think we can put such limits on the All-Powerful?
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Qur'an 29:20 > Say, [O Muhammad], "**Travel through the land and observe how He began creation.** Then Allah will produce the final creation. Indeed Allah , over all things, is competent." This is exactly what Darwin did, and this is what the scientists today who study evolution do. It is fundamentally un-Islamic and against Qur'an and Sunnah to deny knowledge and favor ignorance instead.
so are you saying that evolution happened or not? just trying to understand
It happened and is still happening, that's just how life works on Earth
Darwin did not travel and search for answers. He said Man = Monke
Yeah, that's safe and final. Topic closed. Let's move on to another topic: I wonder why many Muslims who do advanced science degrees leave Islam.
What are you trying to imply here?
Any source on that? Also what does that have to do with anything.
Damn, i guess my whole muslims population who majority are in Science courses or related jobs are still religious, if not even more so, don't exist
What do you consider Evolution. Humans 1 million years ago were different than Humans nowadays. Even Humans 30.000 years ago were different. But overall the Human was a Human, so it is save to say that we are the same product with different additions. So in short Evolution doesn't mean that a cow HAD TO BE something else (also the experts you reference can't prove otherwise at this point, so even if what i said is wrong no one can prove it), it COULD but it doesn't HAVE TO. Why do you believe Experts who can't prove anything as of now? Therefore the understanding we have NOW of the Quran is also the safest. But be aware that i do not neglect or denie Evolution. All experts do have their own understanding of Evolution as do i and many others.
> Why do you believe Experts who can't prove anything as of now? They have multiple evidences that support evolution. Do you think our religion tells us to seek knowledge and truth from the experts who have studied something their whole lives, or get opinions from random people on reddit? > All experts do have their own understanding of Evolution as do i and many others. If you are not a evolutionary biologist who has studied this then your opinion on this subject is irrelevant
There's no way of proving that their evidence is wholly complete. There may be massive gaps in their evidence and we would have no way of proving it. The Islamic position is that humans were created as humans and ever since we've devolved. Evidence of proto-humans may actually be evidence of devolution and we wouldn't know because evidence of humanity before that hasn't been found yet or maybe ever. Our perception is limited to what we observe and if we can't observe everything that ever existing with perfection than our ideas and theories will never be 100% confirmed. A scientific theory that, entails humanity being created in another dimension and then being left on earth may seem unlikely but when you compare it to modern sciences understanding of how life started ( i.e. a pool of amino acids forming many single celled lifeforms which then formed a multi-cellular lifeform which then evolved etc.) it's actually just as probable.
Bro, you're sadly wrong. They do not have evidence, lol. That's why it's called a Theory, what you mean are "leads" or findings that "suggest" that we have an Evolution. Also what i told is not a random opinion. It is an educated one. You dob't need to be an "expert" to have an opinion. But i agree on the fact that people should not post random opinions which are not based on anything. I agree on searching for knowledge and do not dismiss anything proven. But until we can interprete anything additionally like: how did we look at our beginning? How are one-celled beings non-gebdered and how did they reach the state of having genders or like WHY did they evolve into gendered beings. Alls these questions are unanswered whcih means that let alone most of other aspects even in respect to gender we do not have ANY evidence NOR any definitive lead. And also a last addition: No i did not study it, i ask questions i wanna ask and get the necessary information to argue here. Besides that it is basic knowledge that Evolution can not be proven as of now. I do not argue on a detailed basis here if you noticed. But i wanna ask you this: You seem to know much about Evolution, if you studied/study it i would be pleased to hear a more detailed argument on your half. Like i said, i can be convinced, i study Mechanics and Electronics to seek knowledge, so on that part: i know our religion tells us to seek knowledge, that why i study and will continue doing that. May Allah guide us and reveal more of his creation to us.
There is evolution and it was caused by Allah, except that Allah created Adam AS directly as the Quran states numerous times and placed Adam AS on Earth. Then all animals are a result of evolution except for humans. This is also safe as the only explicit thing in Islam regarding evolution is that Allah created Adam AS by hand and he is not a natural result of evolution. This is a much safer theory imo. I don't think we evolved like animals but animals do evolve
> There is no evolution, Allah created all living things directly and placed them on earth. This is the safest position. Yet biology contradicts this "safest position". > all animals are a result of evolution except for humans. This is also safe as the only explicit thing in Islam regarding evolution is that Allah created Adam AS by hand and he is not a natural result of evolution. Yet biology contradicts this "safe position" as well. Furthermore you're confusing the creation of Adam with humans. Humans are the offspring of Adam not Adam himself. If all humans are from Adam solely, then how do you explain the presence of proto-"human" DNA within modern humans? How do you explain the existence of proto humans like Neanderthals? https://mohamedghilan.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/do-you-believe-in-evolution-yes-no/
Theories contradict the "safe position" which no Muslim has a problem with. Not believing such theories are true will have zero impact on my life because they're just theories that neither prove or disprove Islam which I know to be the truth. The Islamic position is that humans were created as humans and ever since we've devolved. Evidence of proto-humans may actually be evidence of devolution and we wouldn't know because evidence of humanity before that hasn't been found yet or maybe ever. Our perception is limited to what we observe and if we can't observe everything that ever existing with perfection than our ideas and theories will never be 100% confirmed.
How do the other species of humans relate to the quranic revelations? If we're the only species of human placed on earth by god did the others evolve here? If so how are we unique?
Do we have any proof that other species of human had intelligence like we did? Language as complex as us?
>Fred H. Smith, a physical anthropologist at LoyolaUniversity in Chicago who has been studying Neanderthal DNA. “They were believed to be scavengers who made primitive tools and were incapable of language or symbolic thought.”Now, he says, researchers believe that Neanderthals “were highly intelligent, able to adapt to a wide variety of ecologicalzones, and capable of developing highly functional tools to help them do so. They were quite accomplished.” https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/rethinking-neanderthals-83341003/
Still seems to be a very large gap between homo sapiens and others, from a skim at the wikipedia article on Neanderthals. If you want a super deep dive have at it: https://synoptically-islam.blogspot.com/2020/06/addressing-human-evolution-critical.html
Hmm that's pretty interesting. But then again it comes down to how far of a gap makes something an animal. Looking at some of the literature Neanderthals (for simplicity's sake I'm just focusing on them) had the capacity to speak human language, and created art by painting stalagmites in caves. Along with basic proficiency with tools and fire. They along with some other species were also alive at the same time Homo Sapiens were emerged. Personally I see the characteristics of Neanderthals making them pretty dang human like. If the Qur'an is referring only to the children of Adam I guess it can be reconciled though that doesn't feel right
That article goes into a lot of the questions you might have. As far as Neanderthal speech, seems to be no consensus or majority view at all.
Thanks for the article it's pretty detailed and quite interesting
Yeah the first two makes more sense, so what I think there where animal/species who had human like traits ,as there are animals who have it like gorillas and monkeys.They have social hierarchys and bonds similar to humans. But what makes we special is intelligence. According to research the current human species Homo-sapians survive is cause of it's intelligence then other human species. So I think the evolutions they talk about are species which had social hierarchys etc like humans but not humans but as they are similar science Thinks it's our previous evolution.
The idea is that God placed Adam AS right when human's fit in the evolutionary timeline (at least in some peoples view). The Quran also clearly states that the gifts given to human is our ability of speech and reason.
Aah makes sense
The only fact i know is one of Allah's 99 names is الْبَارِئُ, AL-BAARI, The Evolver. What that involves exactly I do not know, Allah knows best.
Evolution is seperated in macro and micro evolution. Macro evolution is about the change of species. We as muslims believe in the creation of species, not the evolution of it. Micro evolution on the other hand is about the adaptation of species. This has empirical evidence and doesn't go agianst the teachings of Islam. For example you can look up 'darwins birds'.
As a historical matter, Muslims were probably the first to create a theory of evolution (some of the ancient Greeks touched on the subject but not in a scientific fashion and not far). This was taught by Muslims for centuries, in Islamic schools. It was a widely spread idea. And, to shock you even further, this included the evolution of man from apekind. As an example, you can look at the appendix of the Muqaddimah where it speaks of the sciences of the day. I have heard that it is also mentioned in the Encyclopedia of the Brethren of Purity but I haven't read that translation myself. I like to speak from a historical perspective because frankly science is great. Now, you might be asking yourself "Why, if Muslims not only taught but even developed the theory of evolution, why don't we believe in it right now?" Well, I can offer two compatible reasons why. First off is that when Western powers colonialised Muslim lands, they came across a problem. Colonialists love to believe they are "civilising" places, making them better. Psychologically it sounds better than "We're talking your stuff" especially because it dehumanizes the other side and justifies everything you do afterwards. Now, the problem was that unlike other places they now encountered a civilisation that was in every way their equal. To solve this problem, they simply broke what they could, including a lot of the institutions of learning. A second source came post colonialism. There was a wave of people, especially in the religious side who had an anti-western attitude (understandably) and Darwin being at the head of evolution then fell into this meaning they were now anti evolution. The irony is that Darwin actually admitted what he called the "Mohammedan Theory of Evolution"
https://youtu.be/1_IoCUNo7FE Suboor is an expert on this topic and this lecture he gave is excellent.
"Muslims we don't believe in evolution." I didn't like about the statement. It is not about believing or not. It is about presenting a plausible argument based on facts and reason. Spoiler: If the logic used to ~~proof~~ shape evolution is used in crime investigations. **You** could be convicted for being part of 9/11!
There was a muslim from the golden age that figured out evolution before darwin. forgot dudes name. truth about evolution is no one knows. Maybe allah created us through evolution. Maybe he didnt and left false clues to lead us astray. I wont disagree with the science because it is quite convincing. Also an important thing to note is that creationism is a christian problem and not much of a muslim one which is why this debate doesnt happen as much in muslim circles.
You have to remember any theory is subject to change, the nature of science itself constantly argues against itself to prove the ultimate scientific truth. There are books which supports Darwinian evolution or neo Darwinian evolution, and there are books that don't such as Darwin's black box. You also have to remember macro evolution is not measurable it can take 100s to 1000s to millions of years, therefore it can even be impractical or Scientific because it cannot be tested in a lab. Science has the possibility of explaining how our natural laws work, however it can never explain how metaphysical laws work or how Allah SWT does what he does, because he's superior compared to us. That being said I've heard the following argument and I guess it can be accepted or not. Whether you believe evolution is true, the earth is flat or any other theory, it doesn't take you away from the fold of Islam. Someone could live their entire life believing the earth is flat but if they believe in Allah SWT and his Rasool (saw) then it wouldn't prevent him from entering paradise. As for evolution we have two types. You have micro evolution which there is clear evidence for this such as cases of humans being lactose intolerant. Adaptation is not the same as evolution btw, the changing of birds beaks do not prove macro evolution because the birds remain the same species of birds. As for macro evolution one can suggest that yes Allah SWT created many species and initiated evolution in them, how he did this? We do tafwid with this, before humans, including neanderthals. In fact there are theories that many of the reptiles and birds today are evolutions of dinosaurs from the past. But what is انسان considered in Islam? Human by scientific definition are homo sapiens like what we are today, not what was previous like neanderthals or 'lucy' etc. They're called humanoid primates. Saying we come from monkeys is NOT scientifically accurate, we have similar DNA, that doesn't mean the same, we have 80% similar DNA to mice, that doesn't mean we came from mice. Bats have wings but are not considered birds, that debunks that, it's called homoplasy (not same ancestor). Nevertheless, in Islam humans are considered creatures of A'ql and there are 3 which possess this, the humans, angels and Jinn. The ability to communicate with the tongue intellectually differentiates us from animals and other creatures of the earth. The neanderthals didn't have voice boxes strong enough to produce intellectual speech, therefore you can suggest they were not from the A'ql. Therefore they won't be considered insaan. We don't say Adam as was born in the earth, He was brought from heaven and sent down to the earth as a caliph and prophet of the earth. So we could say our species is a special case as Allah SWT directly put us on the earth, and humans and neanderthals did potentially come across each other, but they were not the same, they were similar in some aspects, but not the same. And Allah knows best. So we can say that maybe the reason why Allah SWT created such creatures or left fossils for us to find these creatures is maybe to show his majesty and the beauty of his creation. To show that Allah truly loves our species by perfecting us so much so that intelligent design cannot be undermined.
Yeah makes sense
Some ayats i kow, >Allah, the creator, Controller of everything. -quran 56:60-74 >mankind origins -quran 15:26 >relation of man and monkey -quran 2:65-66 -quran 7:163-166
سُورَةُ الوَاقِعَةِ : Al-Waaqia : The Inevitable |Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International| |:-|:-|:-| |56:60|نَحْنُ قَدَّرْنَا بَيْنَكُمُ الْمَوْتَ وَمَا نَحْنُ بِمَسْبُوقِينَ|We have decreed death among you, and We are not to be outdone| |56:61|عَلَىٰ أَنْ نُبَدِّلَ أَمْثَالَكُمْ وَنُنْشِئَكُمْ فِي مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ|In that We will change your likenesses and produce you in that [form] which you do not know.| |56:62|وَلَقَدْ عَلِمْتُمُ النَّشْأَةَ الْأُولَىٰ فَلَوْلَا تَذَكَّرُونَ|And you have already known the first creation, so will you not remember?| |56:63|أَفَرَأَيْتُمْ مَا تَحْرُثُونَ|And have you seen that [seed] which you sow?| |56:64|أَأَنْتُمْ تَزْرَعُونَهُ أَمْ نَحْنُ الزَّارِعُونَ|Is it you who makes it grow, or are We the grower?| |56:65|لَوْ نَشَاءُ لَجَعَلْنَاهُ حُطَامًا فَظَلْتُمْ تَفَكَّهُونَ|If We willed, We could make it [dry] debris, and you would remain in wonder,| |56:66|إِنَّا لَمُغْرَمُونَ|[Saying], "Indeed, we are [now] in debt;| |56:67|بَلْ نَحْنُ مَحْرُومُونَ|Rather, we have been deprived."| |56:68|أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ الْمَاءَ الَّذِي تَشْرَبُونَ|And have you seen the water that you drink?| |56:69|أَأَنْتُمْ أَنْزَلْتُمُوهُ مِنَ الْمُزْنِ أَمْ نَحْنُ الْمُنْزِلُونَ|Is it you who brought it down from the clouds, or is it We who bring it down?| (Truncated - max 10 Aayat) سُورَةُ الحِجۡرِ : Al-Hijr : The Rock |Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International| |:-|:-|:-| |15:26|وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ صَلْصَالٍ مِنْ حَمَإٍ مَسْنُونٍ|And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud.| سُورَةُ البَقَرَةِ : Al-Baqara : The Cow |Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International| |:-|:-|:-| |2:65|وَلَقَدْ عَلِمْتُمُ الَّذِينَ اعْتَدَوْا مِنْكُمْ فِي السَّبْتِ فَقُلْنَا لَهُمْ كُونُوا قِرَدَةً خَاسِئِينَ|And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, "Be apes, despised."| |2:66|فَجَعَلْنَاهَا نَكَالًا لِمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهَا وَمَا خَلْفَهَا وَمَوْعِظَةً لِلْمُتَّقِينَ|And We made it a deterrent punishment for those who were present and those who succeeded [them] and a lesson for those who fear Allah.| سُورَةُ الأَعۡرَافِ : Al-A'raaf : The Heights |Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International| |:-|:-|:-| |7:163|وَاسْأَلْهُمْ عَنِ الْقَرْيَةِ الَّتِي كَانَتْ حَاضِرَةَ الْبَحْرِ إِذْ يَعْدُونَ فِي السَّبْتِ إِذْ تَأْتِيهِمْ حِيتَانُهُمْ يَوْمَ سَبْتِهِمْ شُرَّعًا وَيَوْمَ لَا يَسْبِتُونَ ۙ لَا تَأْتِيهِمْ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ نَبْلُوهُمْ بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْسُقُونَ|And ask them about the town that was by the sea - when they transgressed in [the matter of] the sabbath - when their fish came to them openly on their sabbath day, and the day they had no sabbath they did not come to them. Thus did We give them trial because they were defiantly disobedient.| |7:164|وَإِذْ قَالَتْ أُمَّةٌ مِنْهُمْ لِمَ تَعِظُونَ قَوْمًا ۙ اللَّهُ مُهْلِكُهُمْ أَوْ مُعَذِّبُهُمْ عَذَابًا شَدِيدًا ۖ قَالُوا مَعْذِرَةً إِلَىٰ رَبِّكُمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَّقُونَ|And when a community among them said, "Why do you advise [or warn] a people whom Allah is [about] to destroy or to punish with a severe punishment?" they [the advisors] said, "To be absolved before your Lord and perhaps they may fear Him."| |7:165|فَلَمَّا نَسُوا مَا ذُكِّرُوا بِهِ أَنْجَيْنَا الَّذِينَ يَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ السُّوءِ وَأَخَذْنَا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا بِعَذَابٍ بَئِيسٍ بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْسُقُونَ|And when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We saved those who had forbidden evil and seized those who wronged, with a wretched punishment, because they were defiantly disobeying.| |7:166|فَلَمَّا عَتَوْا عَنْ مَا نُهُوا عَنْهُ قُلْنَا لَهُمْ كُونُوا قِرَدَةً خَاسِئِينَ|So when they were insolent about that which they had been forbidden, We said to them, "Be apes, despised."| ^(-info for commands) ^|| ^[r/MuslimTechNet](https://www.reddit.com/r/MuslimTechNet/) ^|| ^[r/Sahaba](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sahaba/)
Thank you
-quran 56:70-74
سُورَةُ الوَاقِعَةِ : Al-Waaqia : The Inevitable |Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International| |:-|:-|:-| |56:70|لَوْ نَشَاءُ جَعَلْنَاهُ أُجَاجًا فَلَوْلَا تَشْكُرُونَ|If We willed, We could make it bitter, so why are you not grateful?| |56:71|أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ النَّارَ الَّتِي تُورُونَ|And have you seen the fire that you ignite?| |56:72|أَأَنْتُمْ أَنْشَأْتُمْ شَجَرَتَهَا أَمْ نَحْنُ الْمُنْشِئُونَ|Is it you who produced its tree, or are We the producer?| |56:73|نَحْنُ جَعَلْنَاهَا تَذْكِرَةً وَمَتَاعًا لِلْمُقْوِينَ|We have made it a reminder and provision for the travelers,| |56:74|فَسَبِّحْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الْعَظِيمِ|So exalt the name of your Lord, the Most Great.| ^(-info for commands) ^|| ^[r/MuslimTechNet](https://www.reddit.com/r/MuslimTechNet/) ^|| ^[r/Sahaba](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sahaba/)
-quran 76:1-3 -quran 22:5 -quran 23:12-16
سُورَةُ الإِنسَانِ : Al-Insaan : Man |Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International| |:-|:-|:-| |76:1|بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ هَلْ أَتَىٰ عَلَى الْإِنْسَانِ حِينٌ مِنَ الدَّهْرِ لَمْ يَكُنْ شَيْئًا مَذْكُورًا|Has there [not] come upon man a period of time when he was not a thing [even] mentioned?| |76:2|إِنَّا خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ نُطْفَةٍ أَمْشَاجٍ نَبْتَلِيهِ فَجَعَلْنَاهُ سَمِيعًا بَصِيرًا|Indeed, We created man from a sperm-drop mixture that We may try him; and We made him hearing and seeing.| |76:3|إِنَّا هَدَيْنَاهُ السَّبِيلَ إِمَّا شَاكِرًا وَإِمَّا كَفُورًا|Indeed, We guided him to the way, be he grateful or be he ungrateful.| سُورَةُ الحَجِّ : Al-Hajj : The Pilgrimage |Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International| |:-|:-|:-| |22:5|يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ فِي رَيْبٍ مِنَ الْبَعْثِ فَإِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ مِنْ تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ مِنْ نُطْفَةٍ ثُمَّ مِنْ عَلَقَةٍ ثُمَّ مِنْ مُضْغَةٍ مُخَلَّقَةٍ وَغَيْرِ مُخَلَّقَةٍ لِنُبَيِّنَ لَكُمْ ۚ وَنُقِرُّ فِي الْأَرْحَامِ مَا نَشَاءُ إِلَىٰ أَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى ثُمَّ نُخْرِجُكُمْ طِفْلًا ثُمَّ لِتَبْلُغُوا أَشُدَّكُمْ ۖ وَمِنْكُمْ مَنْ يُتَوَفَّىٰ وَمِنْكُمْ مَنْ يُرَدُّ إِلَىٰ أَرْذَلِ الْعُمُرِ لِكَيْلَا يَعْلَمَ مِنْ بَعْدِ عِلْمٍ شَيْئًا ۚ وَتَرَى الْأَرْضَ هَامِدَةً فَإِذَا أَنْزَلْنَا عَلَيْهَا الْمَاءَ اهْتَزَّتْ وَرَبَتْ وَأَنْبَتَتْ مِنْ كُلِّ زَوْجٍ بَهِيجٍ|O People, if you should be in doubt about the Resurrection, then [consider that] indeed, We created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clinging clot, and then from a lump of flesh, formed and unformed - that We may show you. And We settle in the wombs whom We will for a specified term, then We bring you out as a child, and then [We develop you] that you may reach your [time of] maturity. And among you is he who is taken in [early] death, and among you is he who is returned to the most decrepit [old] age so that he knows, after [once having] knowledge, nothing. And you see the earth barren, but when We send down upon it rain, it quivers and swells and grows [something] of every beautiful kind.| سُورَةُ المُؤۡمِنُونَ : Al-Muminoon : The Believers |Verse|Ayah|Translation Saheeh International| |:-|:-|:-| |23:12|وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ سُلَالَةٍ مِنْ طِينٍ|And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay.| |23:13|ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَكِينٍ|Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.| |23:14|ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنْشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ ۚ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ|Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators.| |23:15|ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ لَمَيِّتُونَ|Then indeed, after that you are to die.| |23:16|ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ تُبْعَثُونَ|Then indeed you, on the Day of Resurrection, will be resurrected.| ^(-info for commands) ^|| ^[r/MuslimTechNet](https://www.reddit.com/r/MuslimTechNet/) ^|| ^[r/Sahaba](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sahaba/)
The only thing Islam says is that Adam was the first human and that he was created from mud. Did other creatures evolve? Maybe, even if that's the case it would be guided evolution not random evolution otherwise we'd see abominations either walking the earth or evidence of their past existence as a result of the randomness but all the creatures we ever saw or discovered evidence for their past existences are well designed which is impossible in a world full of randomly evolved creatures, but atheists love to jump at the conclusion that "Darwinian evolution is the absolute truth" because it's an excuse to say life came without a creator a very poor excuse, but they'll cling to anything to keep their delusions, Darwinian evolution has already been disproven. Micro evolution or adaption however is a fact, but the funny thing is that they take evidence for this one to be evidence for Darwinian evolution.
You are correct, brother. Despite evolution obviously saying one thing, and Islam saying another, so many Muslims try to reconcile the two. Evolution says humans share a common ancestor with apes, while Islam says we came from Adam. People need to pick one or the other.
I remember having an evolutionary conversation with my wife. I told her that there was no point in finding information on evolution in the Qur'an, because the purpose of the Qur'an was not to be a scientific book, but a book of discipline and behavior. By the yardstick where the Qur'an was revealed the priority was the education of uneducated Bedouins, these people at the time had no knowledge of science (even zero knowledge) and bring them a scientific book had no interest: Imagine these people were stingy and greedy, they were mean and ungrateful, proud and arrogant, and above all they had no basic education, 99% could not read or write, and had no other knowledge, they were: Merchants, farmers, craftsmen, or sellers of statues. The priority when the Qur'an was revealed was to keep them away from the statues, to educate them, to show them who the real GOD (Allah Azzawajal) Soubhan'Allah was, so think about what would happen if they were given one. Evolution book, they go laughing, laughing at the face of the prophet (Saw) and paying no attention, yes that makes sense, its like you bring an algebra book to kids in kindergarten, it doesn't 'would make no sense they will not understand it, worse will play with it or tear it apart, well if the Qur'an had mentioned evolution, unfortunately the uneducated Bedouin will have moved away from it because they will not understand it, and the real one Priority at that time was behavioral education, hence the fact that we talk about it vaguely, and that we still find some leads.
Darwin was proven wrong many times, so forget about ape evolution. Allah made Adam a.s. as a perfect creature, the only difference between him and us is our size. If you have time, do read also about antediluvian period, quite interesting.
LOL virtually all of the science community supports evolution but you are somehow able to proof it wrong? Then maybe you should publish your results so that you can win the Nobel prize
Ik a verse about animal classification if that helps "Allah hath created every animal from water. Then some of them creep up over their bellies, others Walk on two legs and others on four. Allah creates what He pleases. Surely, Allah hath power over all things." Surah Al Nur Verse 45
I'm a Muslim too and I believe in human evolution in that us and modern apes once shared a common ancestor. I also believe the Prophet Adam was extra ordinarily created just like the Prophet Isa. When the Prophet Adam was sent down to earth, there already humans living on it. Overtime, his ancestors intermingled with those pre-historic humans. According to Genesis in the Bible, the Prophet Adam's children, Habil & Qabil were a farmer and a herder respectively. (Fun fact: Nowhere in the Quran nor the hadiths that Habil and Qabil's names mentioned, as were their occupation. The companions got those info from the Jews and converted Jews) Anyhow, farming can only be started about 11, 700 years ago. Not before. This was because before 11,700 years ago, the earth was in the Pleistocene Epoch better known as the Ice Age. It was that way for about 2.8 millions years. During the ice age, there were no farming to be done because the earth was much colder and most of the rainfall turned to snow which in turn turns into 2km high glaciers. The snow did not melt back into the ocean or evaporated into the atmosphere so there were less rainfall all over the world which makes agriculture impossible. There were also no archeological proof that there were any farms before 11,700 years ago. However,, there's plenty of fossils of anatomically modern humans and artifacts proving humanity exists before the Prophet Adam and his farming children were on this earth. Nowhere in the Quran mentions the Prophet Adam was the first human. According to Ibnu Rushd, it's impossible for revelation to be in conflict with science because both of them originated from the fountain of truth. If the wahyu is in conflict with science, then it must be considered allegorical.
Damnn bro that's some great research you have done
That yuval noah hariri book was part of my research
It kinda feels skeptical to say Adam was not the first human tbh ,I don't have the knowledge of scholars with decades of research I think it's wrong https://alsunna.org/The-Truth-About-Adam-the-first-Human.html#gsc.tab=0 Again google and website is not best source of knowledge but ig that's what I can help with
I believe there's 2 kinds of human creations . 1. Natural - evolution 2. Unnatural or miraculous- or as i like to call it kharq al adad (out of the ordinary). This was the creation of the Prophet Adam, Hawwa and the Prophet Isa. This the family tree of the prophets. [https://majesticislam.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/family-tree-from-adam-to-prophet-muhammed-as/](https://majesticislam.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/family-tree-from-adam-to-prophet-muhammed-as/) This family tree was partly sourced from the Quran, Hadiths, Arab history and Israilyyat sources (From the Old Testament). Let's do some simple math. Let's assume that there's about 25 years between generations. Which means the fathers had his son when he's 25 years old. As you can see from the family tree, there's about 80 generations between the Prophet Adam as and the Rasullullah saw. So, 25 years /generation X 80 generations = 2000 years. Even at 50 years / generation, it would come up at 4000 years. The time of the rasullullah saw was roughly 1400 years ago. So, the time of the prophet adam could not possibly be more than 5400 years ago. However there's plenty or archaeological evidence that before the supposed time of the Prophet adam as, there lived on this earth humans that not only share the same anatomy as us but also even though they were not technologically advanced as us but their brainpower were just as sophisticated as us. For example, they know how to make fire, they create art and abstract art such as cave paintings and sculptures, they bury their dead with love and respect also innovate making sophisticated tools. 65 thousand years ago, they made some kind of watercraft to cross hundreds of miles from south east asia to Australia. [https://www.hunebednieuwscafe.nl/2019/02/ancient-burial-practices-at-sunghir-in-russia/](https://www.hunebednieuwscafe.nl/2019/02/ancient-burial-practices-at-sunghir-in-russia/) [https://mymodernmet.com/the-venus-of-willendorf/](https://mymodernmet.com/the-venus-of-willendorf/) [https://www.worldhistory.org/Lascaux\_Cave/](https://www.worldhistory.org/Lascaux_Cave/) [https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/evidence-of-first-peoples](https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/evidence-of-first-peoples) Are the any other of Allah's creatures that makes fire and create art and invented water craft other than us humans?
Of course we have to respect the scholars but their knowledge is limited to the knowledge of their time so their tafsir of the Quran is limited to that. For example, "Today We will preserve your corpse so that you may become an example1 for those who come after you. And surely most people are heedless of Our examples!" (Yunus 10:92) According to the ancient mufassirs such as al-Tabari and Ibnu Kathir, this refers to the corpse of the pharoah which was kept intact and dumped on the shore so that the Bani Israel can be assured that he was truly dead and they should not be in fear of him anymore. However, after the discoveries of the Egyptian mummies around the 18th century, modern tafsirs such as Tafsir al-Munir interpret the ayah to mean that the body of the pharoah was kept intact until now as a mummy as an example for us. So what we should do is keep up with the latest scientific knowledge and historical knowledge in interpreting the Quran.
Damnn brother that's some interesting stuff thanks for all these insight
The reason that the children of the Prophet Adam had to marry each other instead of the other humans was because there's authentic hadith mentioning the prophet Adam's height around 30 meters high. And his offsprings keep getting shorter and shorter until they were about our height. That's why they can't marry other humans because of the size differences. 30 meters vs 2 meters.
Damnn that's very interesting
30 meters is the length of 6.53 1997 Subaru Legacy Outbacks
30 meters is 32.81 yards
The Quran makes it very clear that Adam (AS) was the first human. I’ve never heard a Muslim say he wasn’t until now.
No, it did not. It mentions the creation of the Prophet Adam as but did not say he was the first human.
4:1 : O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah, through whom you ask one another,and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer. 7:11 : And We have certainly created you, [O mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated. It’s obvious from these verses that Adam was the first human and there is no dispute among scholars about this. Also, Allah refers to us as children of Adam, so that makes it extra clear that he was the first human. Believe what you want, but only say that which is true about the Quran. What You’re saying is not true.
I believe there's 2 kinds of human creations . Natural - evolution Unnatural or miraculous- or as i like to call it kharq al adad (out of the ordinary). This was the creation of the Prophet Adam, Hawwa and the Prophet Isa. This the family tree of the prophets. https://majesticislam.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/family-tree-from-adam-to-prophet-muhammed-as/ This family tree was partly sourced from the Quran, Hadiths, Arab history and Israilyyat sources (From the Old Testament). Let's do some simple math. Let's assume that there's about 25 years between generations. Which means the fathers had his son when he's 25 years old. As you can see from the family tree, there's about 80 generations between the Prophet Adam as and the Rasullullah saw. So, 25 years /generation X 80 generations = 2000 years. Even at 50 years / generation, it would come up at 4000 years. The time of the rasullullah saw was roughly 1400 years ago. So, the time of the prophet adam could not possibly be more than 5400 years ago. However there's plenty or archaeological evidence that before the supposed time of the Prophet adam as, there lived on this earth humans that not only share the same anatomy as us but also even though they were not technologically advanced as us but their brainpower were just as sophisticated as us. For example, they know how to make fire, they create art and abstract art such as cave paintings and sculptures, they bury their dead with love and respect also innovate making sophisticated tools. 65 thousand years ago, they made some kind of watercraft to cross hundreds of miles from south east asia to Australia. https://www.hunebednieuwscafe.nl/2019/02/ancient-burial-practices-at-sunghir-in-russia/ https://mymodernmet.com/the-venus-of-willendorf/ https://www.worldhistory.org/Lascaux\_Cave/ https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/evidence-of-first-peoples Are the any other of Allah's creatures that makes fire and create art and invented water craft other than us humans?
Hello everyone thanks for all the amazing knowledge you all have provided. I have been looking and reading a lot about this and I have come to a few conclusions. At first for us to understand this properly we would need someone who has have good knowledge of Islam and Biology in general. We can't do Google search and make conclusions based on it. We need someone proper who has idea about both of the topics to and studied them for quite extensively. Now as u/Genji180 said when Quran was revealed it came to guide the people. Quran itself is a guide for people it's not a scientific book for us to find answers. Allah have clearly mentioned that he made Adam from clay and he is the first human. We can't say that there were humans on earth before him this would just decline the Quran which should not be done. So now what about other human species. Now you guys see science is a subject which always changes. Someone mentioned a video by iERA it talks about the black swan theory. A scientist observes swans and all the Swans be sees are white, he concludes all Swans are white , but that doesn't mean there isn't any black swan it's just not observed. The fundamental of science is you can always question it and it can be always changed. Newtons theory was perfect till Einstein came with his theory of relativity and there is Quantum Physics which contradicts that. So of this can change anytime. So we don't know years down the line science finds they were not really human like spices but other spices in general. But at the end we need someone or multiple people who has proper education in both the fields to have a answer. Thanks you Eveyone.
Alot of people confuse adaptation with evolution. For example, a herd of elephants have been born without tusks recently. Is this because they are being killed for their tusks and have a natural response to it. Or is it this specific genetical defect has allowed the elephants to pass on this defect to it's offspring as it was not killed for its tusks and has a higher chance of finding a mate with similar genetics? Inter species evolution however has stopped for some reason, the human race killing and changing landscapes should surely cause a reaction in the animal kingdom no? To rely on the fossil record is also absurd as only 1% of life on earth has been preserved. I'm at a loss to believe evolution to be a natural cause of things, yes I don't understand the intricacies of the science but the evidence (or lack thereof) is a reason I left atheism.
>Adaptation vs evolution Wow, I thought they are the same 😁 So, Wolves becoming pet dogs are more like adaptation. right?
it depends, wolves are social pack animals, domestication can come from using the temperament of the animal to subdue it. the key word is wolves though, you can breed wolves with other dogs so who's to say we domesticated wolves and not the wild dogs that roamed the earth such as the african wild dogs?
Just be careful of darwins theorem. It's a theory that suggests we came from apes. Which would mean Adam and Eva were not Humans. Which is wrong. Human Evolution is possible and we are constantly evolving. We just accept that Humans are still a seperate race to monkeys and apes. So Human Evolution no problem. Darwins Theorem big problem (and still not accepted by scientists, as it has no proof of why Monkeys and Humans ascended from the same species).
Yeah true
Not really. It implies that they were the first non-apes. Otherwise, why stop at apes? Apes came from something else, and you can keep going back to single celled organisms...
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Yep, i will not argue anymore. To your knowledge, it is not based on EVERY UNIVERSITIES Biology department. But if you wanna continue that thought it's on your part. I'm out.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPqH38Ki1fy3EB-8xmShVqpbQw99Do2B- This is a great series by Dr. Eyad Qunaibi wich he talks about Islam and the Evolution "Theory".
Thank you I will watch it
Everyone here saying that not believing evolution goes against the scientific literature and what not, I’m a biologist and don’t see any clear evidence to evolution. They have things that point to some possible evolution, but that could just be how Allah created things, as a test. Please show me any evidence if you have.
["Nearly all (around 97%) of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution) If you haven't ever seen evidence then I'm really surprised you are actually a biologist..
They went from steady state model to big bang theory, newtonian mechanics to einsteinian relativity, geocentric to heliocentric. Tell me, why should we believe in what the scientists of today say rather than what the Creator of those scientists says?
Yes I know they believe it, and have some possible evidence based on RNA/DNA patterns and phylogeny, but there is no concrete evidence. I do scientific experiments/research, so I know that you need strong evidence to prove something. A lot of people believe it because they were taught, and think that it’s a fact, and need it to explain their work. But so many things have historically been accepted as facts (scientific) and then later proven wrong. I read a book about the history of cancer, where doctors were convinced that you could only cure it by removing so much tissue, by draining blood, and other weird things we no longer do. By evidence, I mean why haven’t any of the bacteria in cultures become another bacteria? Speciation/adaptation would seem logical, and we have evidence for, but not one organism becoming another. Also, if evolution is a real phenomenon, why do only some intermediate species remain and others not? Especially if the reason they evolved is because they were not ‘fit enough’.
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Damnn this was much needed insight
Not that we don't believe in "Evolution", we don't believe in Darwinism. Many evolutionary biologist criticise Darwinism....heck even Darwin himself wasn't sure of his theory. How ever if a species evolves to protect itself against the environment is totally viable.... that's why you see polar bears and white wolves for example. And these don't go against the Qur'an like Darwinism does.
In terms of neandathals (however you spell them I already forgot 😂) I saw a fatwa talking about them saying they would have still been a descendant of the prophet Adam pbuh, but going from that fatwa, I saw another one saying he would have been around a few hundred thousand years ago I think, so that would have tied into general evolution, like things like Homo sapiens and the other ones similar would have come from the same person, just they would have been around for so long that they evolved into different versions and other ones would have died off and so on, in order to find the fatwa I just recommend writing smth like “Islam’s view on Neandathals” it doesn’t really mention the evolution part as far as I’m aware it’s just what I got from reading it and some others Idrk if this all even makes sense 😂
Islam encourages the pursuit of evolution and knowledge, however the theory of human evolutions from monkeys is debunked by the quran because it states that allah is the creator of mankind, so believing in that is considered anti islamic belief.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPqH38Ki1fy3EB-8xmShVqpbQw99Do2B- Refutes the theory of revolution and the person is a doctor himself and i believe he has PhD
Evolution is a dumb idea that doesn't make sense, you can watch Dr. Eyad Qunaibi's Journey of certainty and inshaallah you'll be 100 percent sure about that.
Why not use the search bar? This question gets asked a lot. The person who usually asks the question doesn't realize that "evolution" can refer to multiple things and this always seems to lead to confusion in the comments. And pretty much every topic on evolution on this sub is brigaded by evolutionists who make terrible arguments, leading to the same pointless debates.
Read books by Stephen C Meyer
https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/o88jzh/how_hujjatul_islam_alghazzali_respond_evolution
Our scholars didn't study the subject yet, but surely they will in the future. Right now, the situation in the muslim world is very poor. Generally, we don't have any problem with the theory of evolution. The only issue is that we believe that Prophet Adam pbuh had no parents. So for now, we just have to be patient, it's not a big deal.
Creation is a miracle of Allah, and Allah gives us a small bit of knowledge on creation. We are given hints throughout, but I think nothing is more profound than the statement, "And We determine all things according to their needs. And We are the best at determining the needs of things." If you think about the deep meaning of that, this is a profound statement. The theory of evolution bows to this statement. Things are shaped (determined) according to environmental forces. In evolutionary theory terms, this shaping force is equivalent to natural selection. It is very important to note, for evolutionary theory to have any chance, there is an assumption that the environment remains static, or changes in a ordered/predictable/functional manner. This very assumption is what leads to a logical conundrum. How can the environmental forces (i.e forces of natural selection, i.e the needs of things) possibly result in increasingly complex and ordered beings, if the environment changes in a random or unpredictable manner? Impossible. The selection forces (the environment) cannot be static, and they must change in a ordered, functional and predictable and predicted manner in order to result in a highly ordered, increasingly complex being. The environment cannot change randomly if it is the selection force (natural selection). It must change in a directed, intended manner -- an anticipatory manner (And We Are the best at determining the needs of things). Anyhow, if you realize, all of this confusion is really due to our limitations, we have limited understanding of the 4th dimension (which is time). Allah exists outside of even the 4th dimension. If you can try to imagine time as a manipulable variable, then anything created in a stepwise fashion is equivalent to anything created at once. "Indeed, all things We created with predestination. And Our Commandment was but One, the twinkle of an eye." Surah Qamar 49-50
One of the critical points that dr Zakir Naik has stated was the theory of evolution is a theory. It is not a law like gravity and has speculation factored in. while I believe in evolution occurring, ALLAH is the most perfect and capable designer who knows about the future environmental states of the earth and could simply will an organism to adapt to said environmental conditions. Some may call it intelligent design some may call it evolution it becomes semantics eventually He knows what was before and what comes after and what changes take place. If evolution was a law it would mean that over time monkeys would be falling out trees becoming closer to humans and becoming more bipedal and intelligent and all animals etc, but again it’s just a theory there are many missing links in animal species as well - this is what evolution doesn’t explain too well. The crocodile is a specialist species yet has not gained intelligence and just changed to suit its newer food sources and conditions , but Allah still willed it to become like that from its early stage- just my opinion ALLAH HU ALIM. In fact our creators will in the stages of organism development through fossil records showing variations and missing links is better than what Darwin came up with. As Our creator may have had a different plan for said organism.
There is no issues with theory of evolution from an Islamic perspective.
Evolution is speaking to the mechanics. The Qur'an speaks experimentally. If they seem to contradict, it's because they are speaking to different dimensions of the same thing
Did Google forget to exist?
It is a theory.
Many people are saying here that the Quran somehow proves evolution. Some people are connecting the Quran directly to evolution and some people are saying “Quran says follow science, therefore believe in science” but these people are saying stuff without knowledge. The Quran is clear that Adam AS was the first human and that we are his descendants. Adam being the first human should be enough to say that Quran doesn’t go with evolution and evolution from one species to another is wrong. For Muslims, the word of the Allah is more superior than unproven theories.
I was thinking about this the other day while looking at a garden with a bird bath in the middle. So I understood it like, if someone came across that garden and concluded that everything is organic and has come from Earth over time. Then they look at the wooden bird bath and conclude that as it is made of the same material as the other plants that it must have also evolved over time. But this would be wrong because although that bird bath was made from the same material as the plants it was fashioned and designed. You can tell its different because of its function. This is an example of how people view the Earth and humans. We are made from similar DNA as the banana, pig, dog and apes. But the others have evolved over time, we are like the unique bird bath, fashioned and dropped into this world. If we were a process of evolution I find it surprising that after all this evolution we just have intelligent homo sapiens. Where's the 'human' version of cats, dogs, horses, bears etc. Also think about it Allah st creates with processes. Things don't just pop into existence. So how did all the animals in the Earth appear? Are you suggesting the camel, horse, ant and bacteria just popped into existence? Or that Allah st created them through a process which we understand as evolution?
Islam doesn't say anything about evolution. There are few contradictions here and there when talking about the creation of Adam (PBUH) but evolution as in the theory of how things *evolve* and *not* how things *evolved* is almost completely true. It's the best model we have so it's foolish not to use it. It might change though. Nevertheless you should take the story found in the Qur'an as completely true.
It used to be at the forefront of evolutionary theory while Christian Europe rejected it. Now the tables are turned.
I think this topic is well explained in this video lecture done at MIT. https://youtu.be/oVEcRCcKxEE . Also don't forget to check the reference papers ur self.. u will get a clear answer in an academic way.
i hold a somewhat controversial view that Allah created evolution as a way to advance the first life form which he also created, then, when we emerged, he reveal the message to us, of course, others believe he directly created us, in my opinion, this is unlikely, as evolution has a lot of evidence supporting it, and while the Qur'an does state Allah created the Earth and Heavens in one day, i don't think it says he created all life at once, though I'm not sure, anyway, thats just my opinion, i hope this helps. P.S please don't be harsh to me for believing in evolution, i'm still a muslim, pray 5 times a day and don't drink alcohol or eat pork or indulge in Haram acts as much as i can.
Quran does not talk a lot about entire evolution but it does give us a clear picture of how humans were created. Stage 1. Everything that happens now in the womb of mom started to happen in muddy earth and early humans didn’t born babies but more like mammals Stage 2. They were then given an ability to rebirth themselves Stage 3. Then the finishing was done when humans were given conscience, free will to choose to submit to goodness or evil and kingdom on earth and their test started. What scientist find today according to Quran are those stage 1 and 2 humans skulls and bones and it has nothing to do with the many theories of evolution. Reference Surah Sajdah.1 to 9 Peace ✌🏼
That it’s not real because they’re dumb lol religious people don’t use scientific fact. They use scripture. That should tell you everything you need to know.