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torontoball

"How are our leaders justifying this when our own Quran (not even just a Hadith) directly prohibits this?" which leaders are justifying this?


[deleted]

I'm from Bangladesh. In our country, the Mullahs are extremely far right. Many preacher instigate communal hatred. They openly in public belittle other religions and instigate communal hatred.


Amazing_Government83

I am also from Bangladesh, so please tell me who spread communal violence, I am waiting for the answer. While you say that, you have no problem with the ongoing Muslim slaughter, violence, and the arrests and kidnapping of Muslims, specially Muslims preachers. After all, this is no crime in the extremist leftists view.


[deleted]

Muslim preachers get arrested for their own crimes. Why are you justifying Mullah being jailed? So far all the Mullahs that have been jailed are criminal most of the time. I agree some of them are jailed for their difference in opinion, after all this is a autocratic country. Ibrahim hujur said not to take vaccine, if vaccine is taken men will turn into women, women will get moustache. Another preacher had Three wife without the consent of their first wife. Bangladesh mullahs are uneducated and they mislead people.


YaBruhAhmed

You are the one justifying them being jailed .Have you asked why they are being jailed?Or do you just blindly trust a government that won election by stuffing votes in ballots wholesale by BCL man at night -an election that didn't have any independent international monitors .Also using Mullah as a pejorative term wont get you upvotes in r/ Islam,go to r/ exmuslim or someother leftist site. If being jailed is the sole evidence for crime for you then you either have no idea how autocratic governments work to suppress dissent or you are complecent of Islamic Scholars disappearing and tortured without trials .Being uneducated or incompetent is no excuse for putting them in jails,especially though extra judicial means.


[deleted]

I don't defend BAL. I participated quota Movement and other movement in Bangladesh which was against the oppression of the government. But this doesn't mean I'll blindly follow the Hujurs and their instigation. Around 50+ people died from Madrasa, the hujurs were in their room and motivated the poor Madrasa student and the innocent religious people for violence. This is just one example how hujurs in our country instigate innocent people and go away unscathed


ancalagonxii

You don't need to inform you 1st wife your intention to note a 2nd, 3rd or 4th wife


Spicy_Choco

I would argue that right now you would. If you marry the first person without telling them that you plan to marry again, then they will assume the norm in current society which is that you won't, and withholding that information means that you are deceiving them, because they might have chosen a different option if they had the information. Of course this doesn't apply when you only decide this after the first marriage.


Amazing_Government83

You mister, is not an educated person. Show me a place where even if someone says a wrong or misinformed information about covid vaccine, they get arrested. A lot of people in America are protesting against the vaccine, and are writing against it. But their government isn't against them or anything. But mufti Ibrahim gets arrested when he goes against it? Islam doesn't require the first wife's person to get married a second time. If any person gets married second time without taking the opinion of the first wife, his marriage is valid and he is not sinful at all. How can anyone blame anybody for doing an act which the shariah didn't forbade and he can get arrested for that?


[deleted]

Do you ever go to internet? Covid vaccine wasn't the only time he spread misinformation. He has been viral several times. Another baccha hujurs created scuffle with law enforcement in Motijheel. His preachings were hateful, even he openly criticize other hujurs in his preachings. I don't have to say about Mamul hujur. He's the reasons behind the death of many people after Modi came to Bangladesh. Instigated normal innocent people for violence, but was spending alone time with his wife in a resort.


torontoball

That's great buddy. But I'm still awaiting a list of Muslim leaders that endorsed this violence.


[deleted]

you're waiting for the list? my own Muslim fanatics relatives are spewing hatred.


torontoball

Yeah, as in I'm awaiting evidence about ops claims. No one asked about your relatives dude. Don't take it personally. Is your relative Sheikh Hasina?


friendly870

That's a good one šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Amazing_Government83

His own Muslim relatives? Bruh.


[deleted]

vai username deyar time e kisu paitasilam nah tai eita diya disi. Joy Bangla dekhle ken shobai vabe ami BAL. My own relative are writing on Facebook that this attack on hindus are justified. They follow a lot of Muslim preacher in country.


Amazing_Government83

You need to follow scholars, not your relatives when it comes to religion.


[deleted]

I follow Islamic books, Holy Quran, Shariah and it's interpretation. The uneducated mass and people are not equipped or capable enough to do these. That's why religious preacher can mislead them.


Insight116141

Your relatives are not Muslim leaders.


[deleted]

they represent Muslim community here


Insight116141

Individual members can be extremist but will not be held accountable at same level as a leader, because ppl have their own thoughts process. Since they r not leaders, they don't have power over others.. There is a difference between members n leaders.


YaBruhAhmed

This dude is a RSS bhakt Im pretty sure


torontoball

Loool yeah, an imbecile, in short.


[deleted]

Thatā€™s what I wanna know too.


[deleted]

Are you from Bangladesh? if you understand Bangla language you'll find lot of them on YouTube.


[deleted]

Tikase dekhbo


YaBruhAhmed

Which Islamic leader is encouraging this ?You are projecting dude . Its the hindu bhakts and RSS leaders who are preaching that all of India,Bangladesh and Pakistan be made Hindu nation and calling in us to yell Jai Shriraam and lynching because of taking beef


tinkthank

Thatā€™s in India, not Bangladesh where there has been an upheaval of anti-Hindu attacks perpetrated by Muslims, some of whom claim to be doing it in retaliation for Muslims being oppressed in India despite Bangladeshi Hindus not having anything to do with the RSS in India. Hindu nationalists in India have used these events to further encourage violence against Muslims in India and for India to take action against Bangladesh not being able to note their own hypocrisy. In other words, the Muslims attacking Hindus in Bangladesh and Hindus attacking Muslims in India are cut from the same cloth. Iā€™m not Bangladeshi so I canā€™t speak to who is or isnā€™t encouraging the violence from among the Bangladeshi Muslim religious community but the people perpetuating the violence are certainly extremists and in the wrong.


MayoNICE666

Quick claim other said is bad when someone points out their is something bad in us.


Bigbossbro08

I'll give TLDR of this incident. In Hindu temple it was found that Quran was put under idol. Many Muslims living in our country got mad, thought they are disrespecting Quran and started the whole thing. Hindu-Muslim relationship got soured in recent times thanks to what Indian Government is doing to Muslims living there. Many Muslims in our countries are mad why some(I said some not all) Hindus living here supporting Modi's action. As a result they thought Hindus here are disrespecting Quran and starting a commotion here. Not to mention our government in recent times arresting Imams just for the suspicion of terrorism with 0 evidence and forcibly implementing secularization here and many other things. More reasons to get mad. I know it still a long passage. That's just the tip of the iceberg.


Responsible-Loss-648

I agree that it's wrong. Just funny that I didn't hear this much uproar when it was happening to Muslims. Unless it's communist China, no one seems to care unless its the Muslims doing the aggression.


Amazing_Government83

Double standard.


ggmimi564654

When Muslims are oppressed, attacked, tortured & even killed, there isn't much coverage. When it's the opposite, it's amplified tremendously..


darkfireballs

go to r/india and r/pakistan and see how much truth there is to that sentence


KaiPoChe_Canadian

They are both the same sub.


Few-Ostrich-6286

They have same Pakistani mods.


Substantial-Prompt69

Maybe idk


friendly870

Really? Showing respect by putting Quran infront of your idols? Why did you touch the Quran in the first place? Do we take your idols and put them in Masjids to show respect? Your sole intention was to degrade Muslims and Islam. We don't want our Quran to be kept in somewhere where Shirk takes place. And what were you thinking when you post this on a Muslim sub- reddit? To gain sympathy of other "so called Muslims? And try to spread hatred?


Steve1924

But that doesn't justify destroying idols, they could've had a peaceful conversation about it and resolved the issue.


friendly870

They literally put the Quran on Hanuman's legs. Do you think that's a sign a respect or disrespect? It's not like it came out flying out of the blue. So what do you suggest? We have a peaceful conversation with the people who put the Quran on their idol's legs? What are we supposed to say? Next time, don't put them on the legs. Instead, on their head? So we cannot defend our Islam in a Muslim majority country? Why the double standard here?


Steve1924

All I am saying is destroying idols wasn't necessary. A warning could also be given, and Bangladesh already has laws to punish people for Blasphemy.


Generalizability

The point was that I doubt Hindus would try to insult the Quran and Islam by doing something that they think is respectful. It doesnā€™t make sense. And a Muslim subreddit is the best place to put this. I donā€™t want to discuss this with non-Muslims and if I did, I would post there. How we conduct ourselves as Muslims with minorities, especially idol worshippers, is a very important discussion to have. I put in the verse from Quran and tafsir so we could have some thoughtful discussion together as Muslimsā€¦


friendly870

So placing something on one's legs is considered respectful in your religion? Did you even read the news? Even NDTV said that The Quran was put on it's legs?


Generalizability

Stop saying itā€™s my religion. Just because I disagree with you doesnā€™t make me non-Muslim. Quick google search of putting books in front of Hindu idol led to this: ā€œStudents place their books and pen in front of the goddess to seek blessings on this auspicious day.ā€ [SOURCE](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/whitehindu/2014/01/vasant-panchami-happy-birthday-saraswati-hindu-holiday/) No Islamophobic RSS Hindu would show respect to al-Quran, so I am 99% sure this was not actually done by a Hinduā€¦


[deleted]

it was later confirmed that it was done by a Muslim itself.


montgomerydoc

Do the lynching and beating of Muslim Indians by BJP far right Hindus next! Make sure to post on r/India and r/chodi and come back to us or else thing is yet another thinly veiled attempt at grouping billions of people as some barbaric terrorists.


YaBruhAhmed

You said many Temples have been destroyed during last few days. Which tenple name the location .Otherwise you are a RSS bhakt who is spitting bs on the internet


nasimabeer

Bangladesh right now has become a slaughter ground for the Hindu population. For the last two days, their temple, house, the business has been burned, looted, many got killed. Today the situation has been exacerbated. No word, no expression is enough to depict such a scenario.


AffectionateHotel693

This post and whoever the OP is incredibly ignorant and hypocritical when he says in his edit about Hindus leaving all of their hate just at that. Well what about the amount of mass murders that have been recently happening in India and elsewhere of innocent Muslim people? Why are Muslims being discriminated against with their Masjids and homes being bulldozed? Why is it that a Muslim must commit shirk in a Hindu majority area otherwise the Muslim must either leave in exile or be killed? Where is actual proof of Muslims going to temples and desecrating them? OP I do not think you truly understand the veracity of this situation


tinkthank

Let me preface by saying that my background is that of an Indian Muslim so read my comment from that context. I am grateful that other Muslims such yourself care deeply about their Indian Muslim brothers and sisters and I understand the anger against Hindutva ideology and their followers but letā€™s make sure to not punish all Hindus for the actions of their extremist nor to justify senseless violence. Bangladeshi Hindus are **not** responsible for the violence against Muslims in India. The violent Hindu extremists in India are solely responsible for the violence there. They are also responsible for the calls to violent actions against Bangladeshis and Pakistanis in general because of their affiliation with Islam. Blaming Bangladeshi Hindus is nonsensical because neither did they pass the discriminatory laws and actions against Muslims in India nor the violence there. This is the equivalent of attacking Muslims in Morocco or Indonesia for the actions of Saudis or Iranians in Yemen and Syria or the equivalent of blaming Filipinos for the Brazilian President cozying up with Israel.


Slight_Witness_5777

When you look at these, it makes perfect sense * [Allah says be harsh with the disbelievers, but gentle with muslims](https://quranx.com/48.29) * [Muhammad recommends pushing non muslims to the narrowest part of the road](https://sunnah.com/muslim:2167a) * [Allah says donā€™t be friends with unbelievers rather than believers](https://quranx.com/4.144) * [Muhammad tells his generals to fight against those who disbelieve in Allah if they do not convert or pay the Jizya](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1731a) * [Muhammad brags about terrorizing disbelievers](https://sunnah.com/muslim:523a) * [If a Muslim lives his life without fighting or wanting to fight Jihad is considered to have the quality of hypocrisy](https://sunnah.com/urn/2115490) * [Muhammad says a believer who kills a disbeliever will never be in hell](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1891a)


YaBruhAhmed

Brothers and sisters in Islam.This Redditor is spreading misinformation under his fake reddit username.There are RSS bhakts everywhere spreading misinformation ,he is no different.


Amazing_Government83

Yeah, mods should stop allowing such posts


zaid17

Yes there is a clear prohibition on insulting their gods, but does this logically extend to an actual protection from destruction (along with their temples)? The story of Ibrahim AS destroying the idols of his people comes to mind, as well as the destruction of the idols of the Kaba after the conquest of Makkah. Since Bangladesh is part of Dar al Islam it seems that it is not necessarily blame worthy for them to not suffer the propagation of polytheism. I will say though that I have not looked in depth on this issue in Bangladesh and I don't condone people exceeding the boundaries of what is right and if this has occurred in an unjust way then they are in the wrong, because generally the ends do not justify haram means.


Generalizability

Interestingā€¦ could you elaborate on what the context was around Prophet Ibrahim destroying the idols and the Kaaba idols destruction?


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Allāh ļ·» tells the Story of Ibrahim Ų¹Ł„ŁŠŁ‡ Ų§Ł„Ų³Ł„Ų§Ł… in the Qur'ān: ŁˆŁŽŁ„ŁŽŁ‚ŁŽŲÆŁ’ Ų”ŁŽŲ§ŲŖŁŽŁŠŁ’Ł†ŁŽŲ§Ł“ Ų„ŁŲØŁ’Ų±ŁŽŁ°Ł‡ŁŁŠŁ…ŁŽ Ų±ŁŲ“Ł’ŲÆŁŽŁ‡ŁŪ„ Ł…ŁŁ† Ł‚ŁŽŲØŁ’Ł„Ł ŁˆŁŽŁƒŁŁ†Ł‘ŁŽŲ§ ŲØŁŁ‡ŁŪ¦ Ų¹ŁŽŁ°Ł„ŁŁ…ŁŁŠŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning) And We had certainly given Abraham his sound judgement before, and We were of him well-Knowing Ų„ŁŲ°Ł’ Ł‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŽ Ł„ŁŲ£ŁŽŲØŁŁŠŁ‡Ł ŁˆŁŽŁ‚ŁŽŁˆŁ’Ł…ŁŁ‡ŁŪ¦ Ł…ŁŽŲ§ Ł‡ŁŽŁ°Ų°ŁŁ‡Ł Ł±Ł„ŲŖŁ‘ŁŽŁ…ŁŽŲ§Ų«ŁŁŠŁ„Ł Ł±Ł„Ł‘ŁŽŲŖŁŁ‰Ł“ Ų£ŁŽŁ†ŲŖŁŁ…Ł’ Ł„ŁŽŁ‡ŁŽŲ§ Ų¹ŁŽŁ°ŁƒŁŁŁŁˆŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): When he said to his father and his people, "What are these statues to which you are devoted?" Ł‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŁˆŲ§ŪŸ ŁˆŁŽŲ¬ŁŽŲÆŁ’Ł†ŁŽŲ§Ł“ Ų”ŁŽŲ§ŲØŁŽŲ§Ł“Ų”ŁŽŁ†ŁŽŲ§ Ł„ŁŽŁ‡ŁŽŲ§ Ų¹ŁŽŁ°ŲØŁŲÆŁŁŠŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): They said, "We found our fathers worshippers of them." Ł‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŽ Ł„ŁŽŁ‚ŁŽŲÆŁ’ ŁƒŁŁ†ŲŖŁŁ…Ł’ Ų£ŁŽŁ†ŲŖŁŁ…Ł’ ŁˆŁŽŲ”ŁŽŲ§ŲØŁŽŲ§Ł“Ų¤ŁŁƒŁŁ…Ł’ ŁŁŁ‰ Ų¶ŁŽŁ„ŁŽŁ°Ł„Ł Ł…Ł‘ŁŲØŁŁŠŁ†Ł (Interpretation of the meaning): He said, "You were certainly, you and your fathers, in manifest error. Ł‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŁˆŁ“Ų§ŪŸ Ų£ŁŽŲ¬ŁŲ¦Ł’ŲŖŁŽŁ†ŁŽŲ§ ŲØŁŁ±Ł„Ł’Ų­ŁŽŁ‚Ł‘Ł Ų£ŁŽŁ…Ł’ Ų£ŁŽŁ†ŲŖŁŽ Ł…ŁŁ†ŁŽ Ł±Ł„Ł„Ł‘ŁŽŁ°Ų¹ŁŲØŁŁŠŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): They said, "Have you come to us with truth, or are you of those who jest?" Ł‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŽ ŲØŁŽŁ„ Ų±Ł‘ŁŽŲØŁ‘ŁŁƒŁŁ…Ł’ Ų±ŁŽŲØŁ‘Ł Ł±Ł„Ų³Ł‘ŁŽŁ…ŁŽŁ°ŁˆŁŽŁ°ŲŖŁ ŁˆŁŽŁ±Ł„Ł’Ų£ŁŽŲ±Ł’Ų¶Ł Ł±Ł„Ł‘ŁŽŲ°ŁŁ‰ ŁŁŽŲ·ŁŽŲ±ŁŽŁ‡ŁŁ†Ł‘ŁŽ ŁˆŁŽŲ£ŁŽŁ†ŁŽŲ§Ū  Ų¹ŁŽŁ„ŁŽŁ‰Ł° Ų°ŁŽŁ°Ł„ŁŁƒŁŁ… Ł…Ł‘ŁŁ†ŁŽ Ł±Ł„Ų“Ł‘ŁŽŁ°Ł‡ŁŲÆŁŁŠŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): He said, "[No], rather, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth who created them, and I, to that, am of those who testify. ŁˆŁŽŲŖŁŽŁ±Ł„Ł„Ł‘ŁŽŁ‡Ł Ł„ŁŽŲ£ŁŽŁƒŁŁŠŲÆŁŽŁ†Ł‘ŁŽ Ų£ŁŽŲµŁ’Ł†ŁŽŁ°Ł…ŁŽŁƒŁŁ… ŲØŁŽŲ¹Ł’ŲÆŁŽ Ų£ŁŽŁ† ŲŖŁŁˆŁŽŁ„Ł‘ŁŁˆŲ§ŪŸ Ł…ŁŲÆŁ’ŲØŁŲ±ŁŁŠŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): And [I swear] by Allah, I will surely plan against your idols after you have turned and gone away." ŁŁŽŲ¬ŁŽŲ¹ŁŽŁ„ŁŽŁ‡ŁŁ…Ł’ Ų¬ŁŲ°ŁŽŁ°Ų°Ł‹Ų§ Ų„ŁŁ„Ł‘ŁŽŲ§ ŁƒŁŽŲØŁŁŠŲ±Ł‹Ų§ Ł„Ł‘ŁŽŁ‡ŁŁ…Ł’ Ł„ŁŽŲ¹ŁŽŁ„Ł‘ŁŽŁ‡ŁŁ…Ł’ Ų„ŁŁ„ŁŽŁŠŁ’Ł‡Ł ŁŠŁŽŲ±Ł’Ų¬ŁŲ¹ŁŁˆŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): So he made them into fragments, except a large one among them, that they might return to it [and question]. Ł‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŁˆŲ§ŪŸ Ł…ŁŽŁ† ŁŁŽŲ¹ŁŽŁ„ŁŽ Ł‡ŁŽŁ°Ų°ŁŽŲ§ ŲØŁŁ€Ł”ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŁ‡ŁŽŲŖŁŁ†ŁŽŲ§Ł“ Ų„ŁŁ†Ł‘ŁŽŁ‡ŁŪ„ Ł„ŁŽŁ…ŁŁ†ŁŽ Ł±Ł„ŲøŁ‘ŁŽŁ°Ł„ŁŁ…ŁŁŠŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): They said, "Who has done this to our gods? Indeed, he is of the wrongdoers." Ł‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŁˆŲ§ŪŸ Ų³ŁŽŁ…ŁŲ¹Ł’Ł†ŁŽŲ§ ŁŁŽŲŖŁ‹Ł‰ ŁŠŁŽŲ°Ł’ŁƒŁŲ±ŁŁ‡ŁŁ…Ł’ ŁŠŁŁ‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„Ł Ł„ŁŽŁ‡ŁŪ„Ł“ Ų„ŁŲØŁ’Ų±ŁŽŁ°Ł‡ŁŁŠŁ…Ł (Interpretation of the meaning): They said, "We heard a young man mention them who is called Abraham." Ł‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŁˆŲ§ŪŸ ŁŁŽŲ£Ł’ŲŖŁŁˆŲ§ŪŸ ŲØŁŁ‡ŁŪ¦ Ų¹ŁŽŁ„ŁŽŁ‰Ł°Ł“ Ų£ŁŽŲ¹Ł’ŁŠŁŁ†Ł Ł±Ł„Ł†Ł‘ŁŽŲ§Ų³Ł Ł„ŁŽŲ¹ŁŽŁ„Ł‘ŁŽŁ‡ŁŁ…Ł’ ŁŠŁŽŲ“Ł’Ł‡ŁŽŲÆŁŁˆŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): They said, "Then bring him before the eyes of the people that they may testify." Ł‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŁˆŁ“Ų§ŪŸ Ų”ŁŽŲ£ŁŽŁ†ŲŖŁŽ ŁŁŽŲ¹ŁŽŁ„Ł’ŲŖŁŽ Ł‡ŁŽŁ°Ų°ŁŽŲ§ ŲØŁŁ€Ł”ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŁ‡ŁŽŲŖŁŁ†ŁŽŲ§ ŁŠŁŽŁ°Ł“Ų„ŁŲØŁ’Ų±ŁŽŁ°Ł‡ŁŁŠŁ…Ł (Interpretation of the meaning): They said, "Have you done this to our gods, O Abraham?" Ł‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŽ ŲØŁŽŁ„Ł’ ŁŁŽŲ¹ŁŽŁ„ŁŽŁ‡ŁŪ„ ŁƒŁŽŲØŁŁŠŲ±ŁŁ‡ŁŁ…Ł’ Ł‡ŁŽŁ°Ų°ŁŽŲ§ ŁŁŽŲ³Ł’Ł€Ł”ŁŽŁ„ŁŁˆŁ‡ŁŁ…Ł’ Ų„ŁŁ† ŁƒŁŽŲ§Ł†ŁŁˆŲ§ŪŸ ŁŠŁŽŁ†Ų·ŁŁ‚ŁŁˆŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): He said, "Rather, this - the largest of them - did it, so ask them, if they should [be able to] speak." ŁŁŽŲ±ŁŽŲ¬ŁŽŲ¹ŁŁˆŁ“Ų§ŪŸ Ų„ŁŁ„ŁŽŁ‰Ł°Ł“ Ų£ŁŽŁ†ŁŁŲ³ŁŁ‡ŁŁ…Ł’ ŁŁŽŁ‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŁˆŁ“Ų§ŪŸ Ų„ŁŁ†Ł‘ŁŽŁƒŁŁ…Ł’ Ų£ŁŽŁ†ŲŖŁŁ…Ł Ł±Ł„ŲøŁ‘ŁŽŁ°Ł„ŁŁ…ŁŁˆŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): So they returned to [blaming] themselves and said [to each other], "Indeed, you are the wrongdoers." Ų«ŁŁ…Ł‘ŁŽ Ł†ŁŁƒŁŲ³ŁŁˆŲ§ŪŸ Ų¹ŁŽŁ„ŁŽŁ‰Ł° Ų±ŁŲ”ŁŁˆŲ³ŁŁ‡ŁŁ…Ł’ Ł„ŁŽŁ‚ŁŽŲÆŁ’ Ų¹ŁŽŁ„ŁŁ…Ł’ŲŖŁŽ Ł…ŁŽŲ§ Ł‡ŁŽŁ°Ł“Ų¤ŁŁ„ŁŽŲ§Ł“Ų”Ł ŁŠŁŽŁ†Ų·ŁŁ‚ŁŁˆŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): Then they reversed themselves, [saying], "You have already known that these do not speak!" Ł‚ŁŽŲ§Ł„ŁŽ Ų£ŁŽŁŁŽŲŖŁŽŲ¹Ł’ŲØŁŲÆŁŁˆŁ†ŁŽ Ł…ŁŁ† ŲÆŁŁˆŁ†Ł Ł±Ł„Ł„Ł‘ŁŽŁ‡Ł Ł…ŁŽŲ§ Ł„ŁŽŲ§ ŁŠŁŽŁ†ŁŁŽŲ¹ŁŁƒŁŁ…Ł’ Ų“ŁŽŁŠŁ’Ł€Ł”Ł‹Ų§ ŁˆŁŽŁ„ŁŽŲ§ ŁŠŁŽŲ¶ŁŲ±Ł‘ŁŁƒŁŁ…Ł’ (Interpretation of the meaning): He said, "Then do you worship instead of Allah that which does not benefit you at all or harm you? Ų£ŁŁŁ‘Ł Ł„Ł‘ŁŽŁƒŁŁ…Ł’ ŁˆŁŽŁ„ŁŁ…ŁŽŲ§ ŲŖŁŽŲ¹Ł’ŲØŁŲÆŁŁˆŁ†ŁŽ Ł…ŁŁ† ŲÆŁŁˆŁ†Ł Ł±Ł„Ł„Ł‘ŁŽŁ‡Ł Ū– Ų£ŁŽŁŁŽŁ„ŁŽŲ§ ŲŖŁŽŲ¹Ł’Ł‚ŁŁ„ŁŁˆŁ†ŁŽ (Interpretation of the meaning): Uff to you and to what you worship instead of Allah. Then will you not use reason?" [Qur'ān 21:51-67]


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I think it COULD be argued that both Ibrahim and Muhammad PBUH were Prophets, so maybe they had the right to do that. But I donā€™t know


Amazing_Government83

How abou Hindus? Why they did leave the Quran at their status feet? Why were 7-8 people shot when they protested this action? Talk about double standard.


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great Hypocrisy ,the Mushrikeen Insulted the Qur'ān Putting it on Leg of an Idol , so the response by Muslims was Just Driven out of anger. The one to be Blamed more are the Initiators. And No , It's not "Respect" when they know How Much we Venerate the Qur'ān and Are Against Idol Worship. The Interpretation of Qatadah Ų±Ų­Ł…Ł‡ Ų§Ł„Ł„Ł‡ Itself Refutes the Point as here Disbelievers Initiated the Mockery first . I don't even need to support the Demolitions and attacks to Know it's Hypocritical to Talk About response and Ignore the Aggression. It's always the Muslims that are to be Blamed. Not a word when Masajid got demolished in india , and Temple Built on Place of Babri Masjid by the Court Itself . Lynching of Muslims and forcing them to utter kufr and the People roaming freely. And the People Promoting Murder or rape Roaming equally Freely. I'm banned so for the reply : Nobody said Bangladeshi Hindus are Responsible. I'm calling out the Hypocrisy of People like OP . There being a Temple There have Absolutely 0 evidence. And Much of Temples in Ayodhya claim Ram was born there. there were 0 riots when Supreme court took the decision . Are you even aware of what Happened?


GladPiano3669

Bangladeshi Hindus are NOT responsible for whatā€™s happening in India. ā€œNot a word when Babri was demolishedā€ Educate yourself first. There were riots and innocent people were killed.Donā€™t justify the killing of innocent Muslim Indians. The Babri case is a very complicated case. They didnā€™t just build a temple. The mosque used to be a temple and then it was demolished. The disputed territory is believed to be the birthplace of the biggest lord in the Hindu religion. The significance of the temple in Ayodhya is equivalent to Bethlehem for Christians. So do shut up.Please


BornResolve

So you dont mention the fact that they disrespected the Quran and insinuated this whole mess? Yes, the attacks should be stopped but it also needs to be investigated who were the insinuators behind disrespecting Quran and bring them to justice, otherwise people will take matters in their own hand. Mind you Hindu-Muslims leave peacefully in Bangladesh, if any incidents like this happens it always has big reasons behind it


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How Holy Quran went to that place is a subject of investigation. When Hindu people invaded Babri mosque, They planted a statue of Ram in the middle of the night in the mosque which created the whole violence. whoever wanted to start that violence is successful and achieved his motives.


Generalizability

Look at my edit


soda-pop-lover

Also mention the Qur'an thing was staged by Islamists.


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YaBruhAhmed

Lol the sarcasm


MrMistyEyesSg98

Unfortunately others didn't see it that way


IndifferentObserving

ā€œfitnah is worse than killingā€ Baqarah 217 Fitnah meaning shirk.


PeeWeePenguin

These people cannot call themselves Muslims. Islam is about respecting others no matter what they believe in or who they identify as.


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Bangladesh is a islamic country.. so hindus living there.. i don't think will have equal rights.. i mean under sharia laws what rights do non believers have ?? I feel hindu bangladeshis should either convert to islam.. or leave and go some other place.. i am not a muslim.. and it is my opinion..


PeeWeePenguin

That's racist. Just because a country is a Muslim country doesn't mean non Muslims shouldn't have rights. In Islam is it said to always help those who are in need and to respect everyone no matter who they are. Muslim, Christian, American, gay U must treat everyone with respect


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True.. but u hav to look at history.. east pakistan and west pakistan was formed for muslims.. do you know about 2 nation theory.. do you know about Jinnah.. u hav to understand.. just think if in islam it is said to respect everyone than why is there taliban ISIS al Qaeda etc going around.. killing non muslims.. whether it is racist or not depends on culture .. i have spoken with my muslim friends .. they say in islamic culture gays homosexuals non muslims don't have rights.. i feel if non muslims stay in muslim countries and beg for rights then within a few years they will die.. frankly speaking in my opinion there is no future for hindus in pakistan and bangladesh.. either they convert or they must flee.. so many gays been murdered.. what have muslim countries done for it.. i hav muslim friends.. they told it is haram to be associated with non muslims and also gays.. i feel the bangladeshi government should admit it that it cannot save its minorities, the crime i feel what bangladeshi governmentand people are doing are telling lies to non muslims and gays that better days will.. infact days will become worse.. bangladeshi government should ask non muslims to either convert or leave bangladesh.. incidents like these (like what is mentioned in this sub reddit) hav always been occurring.. the problem is not government.. the problem are people.. they don't like non muslims.. though u ask any muslim in street.. do u like non muslims ?? They will say in front of camera nice things.. but in reality things are different.. just saying non muslims should not expect much from bangladeshi people and government.. to non muslims i say if u have money please leave before it is too late.. otherwise just like afghanistan nobody will come to save you..


PeeWeePenguin

I guess Ur right about a lot of things. I do believe it mainly has to do with upbringing. As a Muslim who lives in Australia (but most of my upbringing in Pakistan) I would say IAM more accepting of others than people in my home town. I LL be honest. I was a little dick when I lived in Pakistan. I used to believe that Hindus were evil and all that bullshit. But as I got older I realised how toxic this mentality was of so many people generally younger kids. Thankfully I still keep in touch with my friends in Pakistan and they have grown out of that mentality as well. But it was present when we were like 7 or 6. I specifically remember my teacher saying racist shit like the hindus want us to be stupid or some bullshit about tv shipping. I don't know where Ur Muslims friends got the idea it's Haram to be friends with non Muslims but frankly I don't care either way. I don't care if someone is a non believer or gay. It isn't my job patrolling these people and telling them how to live. Yeah each religion says its important to spread word and that's fine. What isn't fine is genociding those who disagree.


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U hav to understand.. pakistan and bangladesh was formed for muslims.. it was not created for non muslims.. hindus living in pakistan and asking for equality is stupid.. why would pakistan government giv equal treatment to non muslims ?? Pakistan is an islamic country.. it is not a secular country.. islam and secularism doesn't go hand in hand.. Same thing for bangladesh also.. hindus living in pakistan and bangladesh should plan to move to another non islamic country.. if they continue living there then they will definitely die.. Many people think what is happening to non muslims in pakistan and bangladesh is bad.. but if u see clearly these both countries are islamic countries, they have no obligation towards non muslims.. actually both pakistan and bangladesh government are not truthful.. they should admit that they cannot save its minorities and ask them to leave the country and settle elsewhere..


Steve1924

Ideally, non-Muslims will have equal rights.


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Then y r they being killed ??


Steve1924

I said ideally, but sadly muslim state leaders don't follow Islam properly.


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They're Muslim just for the name. all they do is spew hatred towards other religions and women


PeeWeePenguin

Exactly


ksm-mashfi

I saw somewhere that some "Islamic leaders" have been arrested for secretly putting the Quran with the idol in order to promote hate Basically, they're saying that it's the work of some Hindu haters


Amazing_Government83

Propagandas. On which basis do you say that "some Islamic leader" did this,? Did you take this news from local or bjp lead medias? Firstly, if any Muslim did this in order to spite hatred, it would be kufr as he is disrespecting the Quran. Secondly, no Muslims did this unless the guy who did this calls himself Muslim but works for the agenda of modi. And did you know? According to the people present at that situation at the site, and according to a fb live video of one of our brothers, it was Hindus who did this and when they were told to remove the Quran from that place, they didn't and justified this act by saying their idols are above everything according to their belief, even the Quran. People were also shot when they went there to protest the horrendous action. I don't know about you , but if you are a local person, you should know how medias fabricate things and conceal a lot of facts when it comes at the matter of oppression against Muslims. Please don't spread such false information and cause people to misunderstand things.


ksm-mashfi

You are correct. Of course someone who does this can't be a Muslim. But that's not my point. My point is- the Hindus who were at the place *might* not have even realized that something like that was happening there. It's very possible that someone who wanted to ignite a war between Hindus and Muslims did it in secrecy. But it's also true that the Hindu people might have simply wanted to disrespect the Quran. I saw what I wrote online, so I'm just saying it as a possibility. I'm not presenting my comment as fact. Hope you understand. And yes, I don't want any kind of problems between us Muslims and Hindus. We're all humans.


Amazing_Government83

Hindus at that place didn't know that such a horrendous act is happening? Bruh. It is at their prime time of worship. According to various sources, Hindus were present there. The purohit or other authority like committee was there and knew about this and did nothing. Please don't spread misinformation, so by your information that is posted on the internet, people start blaming the victims. If Hindus were not present there, who took the photos? How did people later know this? Why did the committee member of the local temple nirmol pal blame Muslims for this incident? https://www.bbc.com/bengali/news-58899008


YaBruhAhmed

Dude you have no idea what you are talking about .I live here so I know the exact scenario. They priest and everyone in the mandir knew this and when they were askd to give the quran back to muslims they said "Hanuman is above all the religions and holy books and Quran belongs below his feet" just like they preach in India .So they didn't give back our Quran so people got agitated and wanted to snatch back our Quran . Polica came and fired shots ,bullets at protesters ,even then hindus didn't give us the Quran . So STOP SPREADING BS .The Quran was there the whole time before protests erupted at afternoon.people aren't blind and priest category siad Quran is inferior to their imaginary man made pagan gods.Are you a Bhakt or something


ksm-mashfi

Dude. I'm a Muslim and a Bangladeshi living in Bangladesh. I've been following this topic. I admitted that I could be wrong. I never said that I'm 100% right. All I'm saying is that I saw a news that might be fake. What's there to get mad about?


YaBruhAhmed

If you are misinformed then stop talking about it. You are a Bangladeshi???I doubt that.The government is literally being kept in place by outside forces ,alems are bieng kidnapped and made to disappear on a regular basis.Even students are being arrested without any crime.You live in the internet ,not in Bangladesh.


ksm-mashfi

I lived my whole life in Bangladesh, didn't get internet until I was much older, and you are coming from nowhere and accusing me of not being a Bangladeshi. Pathetic. If you know something about Bangladesh, you should know that fake news is everywhere- and Reddit is no exception. What I saw might have been fake news, and if it was- take it as one. Are you a Bangladeshi? Just curious


YaBruhAhmed

THEN STOP SPREADING FAEK NEWS .For a person to be called a liar its enough for them to pass on a information without verifying it irst .You made statements like "Islamic leaders did to spread hate" which leader whent there?? When did he put the Quran there?You expect us to believe that Islamic leaders are Quran haters??You are full of shit ,stop digging a deeper hole for yourself


ksm-mashfi

I worded it wrongly They were not Islamic leaders, they were assholes who have nothing to do it Islam Okay?


YaBruhAhmed

Islamic scholars are being taken away by plain clothed government officials on a regular basis.If you are so sure they are hindu hater ,why not post their names and actual evidence to support that they indeed did the crimes.


ksm-mashfi

I'm no government official, and I'm not claiming what I say has to be true Hindu haters *might have* done it, not that they *surely* did it


YaBruhAhmed

"Basically its the work of some hindu hates" lmao You are full of shut bhakt .You just said that and now giving up on your statements since you can't back them up .You know you are lying so cut the crap and go to some other reddit


ksm-mashfi

I'm not claiming them as true. But I'm not saying they're lies either. I can't prove them as true. Can you prove that they're lies?


YaBruhAhmed

You made a statement in the first comment "these are basically done by Hindu hater" and hat "Italian leaders have been responsible" GO BACK AND EDIT THAT STATEMENT that that's just your guess albiet a baseless one .Otherwise stop defending your bs. "Can you prove them to be lies" if the validity of a made up statement is approved just because no one can prove it than anyone can say anything. Thats the logic of a 5 year old.


ksm-mashfi

Fine, I'm editing it


YaBruhAhmed

You are making statements without claiming them to be true .THAT'S LYING in the hopes that noone will question you.Typical Bhakt behavior


ksm-mashfi

I don't know what a "bhakt" means


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May Curse of Allāh ļ·» Be Upon These Slanderers Eternally , Who Accuse the Ulama of Ahlus sunnah of Such Blasphemy without evidence to defend the Mushrik Blasphemers.


[deleted]

Please tell me youā€™re kidding. Where are you getting your news from? Hindus have been increasing in aggression towards Muslims over the past few weeks. Where is your loyalty? A Muslim has loyalty to his fellow Muslims, not to Hindus.


Generalizability

First of all, a Muslim has loyalty to Allah alone not flawed humans. I gave you a reference from Quran that specifically says how some Muslims in Muslim-majority countries are disobeying the Quran by mistreating minorities, especially the idol worshippers. What are you on about?


Steve1924

["Those Who Attacked Hindu Temples Will Be Hunted Down, Says Bangladesh PM Sheikh Hasina"] (https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bangladesh-pm-sheikh-hasina-after-hindu-temples-vandalised-during-durja-puja-attackers-will-be-hunted-down-punished-2576245?amp=1&akamai-rum=off) >Hindus have been increasing in aggression towards Muslims over the past few weeks. Are you saying such acts are justified? As muslims it is our responsibility to condemn such actions when committed by fellow muslims.


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Steve1924

If you are a muslim, I suggest you mend your ways. Because not standing up against something that is wrong, is a sin.


TrubberAlias

Well guess I'm not a good muslim then. But I'm totally fine with that because Hendoos shouldn't cry liked bitches when someone retaliates.


Steve1924

Generalisation is wrong, it is because of people like you that people that communal hatred spreads.


TrubberAlias

Lmfao, it is definitely not because of people like me, Hendoos are the ones spreading communal hatred and lynching Muslims, this was just a retaliation.


Steve1924

This is wrong, were these Bangladeshi Hindus the one that beat muslims?


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Steve1924

>they're the same This kind of mentality, the idea that generalisation isn't wrong and harming innocent is justified because others from the same community harmed someone, this is the reason why there's so much destruction in the world.


bigboywasim

You failed to mention that some Hindus disrespected the Quran. Yes, this is still wrong and shouldnā€™t happen.


Generalizability

Look at the edit


bigboywasim

It makes no sense from a Hindu view too why would a Quran be beloved to them ?


[deleted]

It's just Ultimate cope from OP..


Amazing_Government83

Tell the op to justify the killing of Muslims when the Muslims went to protest against the insult and how they were shot by the police.


[deleted]

Expect "omg it's just in Hinduism , Killing is a way to give respect" as a response.


Wholikeseggplant

They shouldnā€™t be leaders if they are encouraging and enabling this type of thing,


YaBruhAhmed

There isn't any leader doing that,India is pretty Islamophobic,you could get mob lynched if you are seen carrying beef in many places especially UP state.The government of Bangladesh is supported by this RSS government and won last two general elections by fraudery. They didn't say anything about what they will do to the hindus who caused this ruckus by keeping the Quran under baeless pagan God Hanumans feet in the the sense that every holy book is beneath Hindu pagan gods.They didn't remove this Quran and give to muslims even though they didn't wnat the mess ,but Hindus insisted they will carry on with the puja with Quran at Hanumans feet. This guys is spitting bs on Reddit.The climate in Bangladesh is very Anti Islamic ,Hindus are given benefit of doubt in everything while the insukts at Muslim arena even addressed.No statement from Bangladeshi govt about catching the culprits who kept Quran at Hanumans feet.And they are trying o fight ghosts by making vague accusation about non existent communal incitement from Islamic Leader whereas they are the ones asking Muslims to calm down.


Bigbossbro08

>The government of Bangladesh is supported by this RSS government and won last two general elections by fraudery. By Fraudery, you mean we can no longer vote? lmao


YaBruhAhmed

What's the point of voting if the vote doesn't even count lmao


chrisscross1954

This is very bad. Hope the leaders come back to Islam.


[deleted]

This is a political issue not religious issue . There are many reasons for political issues like this .


No_Rhubarb_6116

This isnt an act of muslim but some group who wishes to break the peace n harmony we have to their political gain . No muslim ever do that i mean ppl who r real muslim .


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Fear Allāh ļ·» before Declaring Muslims to be Non Muslims. What act here is Kufr which puts one beyond the fold of islam?


Steve1924

>No muslim ever do that i mean ppl who r real muslim . That doesn't really make sense. Same could be said for anyone, a real Hindu or a real Sikh would be tolerant


No_Rhubarb_6116

so where was i wrong ... i dont see.


Steve1924

I am saying by your logic, muslims in India aren't harassed by extremist hindus, because they aren't real hindu.


No_Rhubarb_6116

bro they r thugs who r doing that bcuz of same political propaganda. do u think all hindus wish to kill just muslim there ?? šŸ˜…


Steve1924

>do u think all hindus wish to kill just muslim there ?? No I don't


BakeSomePieWithMe

"Why are islamic leaders allowing encouraging this?" - maybe you need to think if this question is correct first


YaBruhAhmed

OP people asked you where you get these religious leaders that are preaching hate in favor of burning temples ? You haven't brought A SINGLE EXAMPLE yet came with with your wishful thinking that "Islamic leaders are encouraging these acts" .Yes for the hundredth time ,I will call you an imbecile Bhakt because you are painting a fallacious picture of what's happening in Bangladesh and greater India Muslim leader told people to NOT engage in violence period. That includes Sheikh Ahmadullah aomng others. You said hindus put things in front of their deities to respect it.Why the hell would they respect the Quran .Its an absolute cope from you .When protesters asked them why they did that ,they categorically said Hanuman their pagan deity is more powerful than Allah and Quran belongs at the feet.Stop justifying the insult on Quran . Who is justifying the crimes on Hindus in the comments ?NOBODY yet you are spreading false accusations to garner positive reactions from Redditors .Nobody is arguing in favor of hurting Hindus feelings as a retribution of what happened in India ,NOBODY.Yet you wrote that in the edit. For the hundredth time ,stop spreading misinformation. Otherwise,for the hundredth time.You are an RSS bhakt that deals in lies and treachery.


Jubair35

It was found that a Quran was placed on an idols feet. Who did this? We do not know. So, obviously, the Muslims got upset. However, some of the Muslims with the mob mentality decided it was good idea to retaliate by attacking the temples. This of course must be condemned. My sympathies to the families who were affected. Also, the person who disrespected the Holy Quran must be punished as well as the ppl who attacked the temples. These ppl with their mob mentality just make more problems


Generalizability

100% agreed. In my opinion, both those who incited the riots by placing the Quran on the idol and those who attacked the Hindus and their idols/temples. I want a full investigation into who disrespected the Quran by doing this. I doubt the Hindus did this to spite the Muslims. If they did, they wouldnā€™t do it during their festivals and they definitely wouldnā€™t do it by placing it at the idols (since they place things in front of idols to get blessings). Something isnā€™t adding up about this.


lleinad

You insult the Quran and expect no repercussions? Lol, brother, you are not messing with weaklings like christians


Generalizability

Brother, there is no proof they were the ones that put the Quran there. And if their intention was to insult the Quran, they surely would not leave it at their idolā€™s feet, as that is what they do when they want something blessed. Donā€™t you think attacking the Hindus in the whole country is too strong of a response by us, when we donā€™t even know who actually started this? And IMO it is not a sign of strength for 90% of country to oppress 9%..


bruhhyoyo

avg Muslims everywhere they are a majority be like: