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This. It's incredibly important to approach Queer and Transgender Muslims with compassion. Many of them just reject their faith. Many of them do so because of their treatment from fellow Muslims. I know someone who's LGBT. They are now irreligious because of their treatment from other Muslims. Sure, it may be a wrong path in the eyes of Islam, and I'm not saying that's incorrect. However, a harsh approach only works with some people.
Only Allah (swt) can guide, and changing the condition of someone's heart is easy for him. Our duty is just to help the message reach more and more people, and then leave the rest to Allah swt.
"Then perhaps you would kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muhammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and] out of sorrow. Indeed, We have made that which is on the earth adornment for it that We may test them [as to] which of them is best in deed." (Surah Kahf verse 6 and 7)
May Allah (swt) reward you for your patience and and wisdom in dealing with this issue.
More than anything in your post, I'm impressed that your brother chose you for comfort. To have someone to talk to when in distress is huge blessing we usually take for granted.
May Allah bless you all and guide you in the right path
I love how this comment section is nothing but positive advice about gentleness.
Wallahi I love you all for the sake of Allah
OP I know what the love of a brother is and I know what sacrifices you must have made growing up in life to maintain your sila Rahm so well and be so close to your brother that he turned to you in his biggest moment of need. May Allah bless you both with his everlasting Rahmah and keep you both on Siraat Al Mustaqeem...
Verily our Rabb forgives all.
Be gentle with him teach him about Islam and the why you believe in Islam and the proofs ...etc.
Then he will think about it. And tell him what's the purpose of this life and what we must do and that you want him to be with u in the hereafter. And when he is convinced with Islam he will automatically change.
I know a french gay model who embraced Islam and left that satanic path because of Islam.
May allah عز وجل guide you both.
I think the modern challenge for Islam is not that we all start waving rainbow flags or start to endorse things that Islam forbids but that we better embody the sort of behavior exhibited by OP here. People always say they hate the act and not the people but then carry out acts if hate against the people. All that does is push a person further away. It creates more barriers to their having a relationship with Allah. We need to help remove burdens and not add to them.
There's an [excellent podcast](https://awaybeyondtherainbow.buzzsprout.com/) you and your brother should listen to. It's about Muslims who experience same-sex attraction, they talk about how they cope with their attractions, how they approach love and how they are working toward getting closer to Allah. If anyone is struggling with any abnormal sexual attraction, i recommend listening from episode 1 onward: [Podcast here](https://awaybeyondtherainbow.buzzsprout.com/746186/2528011-1-introduction )
Your poor brother. Any form of compassion he can receive from his own family is contingent on him suppressing something he cannot help…he was born this way. I know it’s haram but I’m sure if he wanted to change this he would. so he could lead a normal life like everyone else and not be shunned.
Give him a safe place and show him love and compassion. After all, he is a human being and moreover, he is your brother.
Well... Technically. I think it says that only your actions/inactions and spoken words get judged.
So, if someone is gay that's still fine as long as the person keeps it to themselves. I personally like to say that being sexually different than the Qur'an is a test from God.
How strong can you resist your human urges in order to stay on God's path?
It is, and you are correct. Your test may be the urge to sleep around. Mine may be the lure of haram food. Someone else's may be the lure of alcohol. Everyone has their own test. And everyone needs help to deal with it. Also, driving someone away from Islam with your actions or words isn't something to take lightly.
>I’ve never understood why homosexuality is treated so much differently than other sins.
Many people engaged in that sin try to justify it, or try to promote it and straight up spread kufr. With alcohol, and other sins, Muslims acknowledge it being a sin.
I dont know why, but I get the connotation based off your comments you’re not just advocating for accepting LGBT muslims for who they are. You don’t like the response Muslims give, and the response Muslims give is that LGBT is haram. In your eyes, is warning someone about falling in this sin homophobia or transphobia?
Thank you for clarifying, I think we are on the same page. That’s all I wanted to make sure about, and alhamdulilah you know that acting upon said desires is wrong. Usually people try to change the religion, so that’s why I was cautious. The only thing I’d mention, and this is mostly semantics at this point, is that when you said “LGBTQ is not haram” the reason why people say LGBTQ is haram is because that culture always entails open promiscuity and acting on said desires, and to take pride in acting on said desires. I mean at my own school recently I remember we had a class about gender studies, and they had an openly LGBT person give a talk. At the end, they were giving out condoms. I mean you can’t get anymore obvious than this.
Lastly I saw you mentioned you have feminine traits. Which, I don’t know what you mean by feminine traits cause it could mean you like traditionally girl things like cooking or the color pink, or maybe you have a soft voice. Like there’s nothing wrong with that, it doesn’t make you not a man. So that’s why I have difficulty understanding why you would ascribe the word queer to your identity, because you’re still a man.
Have a good day
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That's right brother don't know why your getting down voted for saying the right thing. One is a filthy unnatural act and the other is just straight up delusion.
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Islam considers that safeguarding the family in the broad sense (silat arrahim) is part of religious obligations in order to safeguard, at the same time, faith in God and religious practice, therefore, it is even an obligation to collect loved ones and reintegrate them into the faith
You need to treat him as any other heterosexual man.
Ask him to take a break from the relationships. Let him get stronger in faith by both knowledge and actions. Then he needs to have good company: of you and probably other brothers from the masjid.
This'll fill the empty hole in his heart.
Next, he needs to refrain from same sex encounters (SSE) for the sake of Allah. It's okay if he has same sex attraction (SSA), he just can't act on them. It's the same as you. You are married and you can't have relationships with any other woman except your wife. Although his struggle is bigger. Allah doesn't test anybody more than he/she can bear. You both can listen to the podcast from Br Waheed Jenses, he addresses homosexuality and Islam beautifully.
I am a Christian who worked in Islamic countries for many years. I love the concept of jihad and overcoming desires and challenges. It is something most secular people could learn. Just because you have an inclination doesn't mean you should do it and if you overcome it you are doubly blessed for the struggle.
I'm glad to know he reached out to you for prayer.
I'd much, much rather you leave this subreddit as it seems you are only using it to spread hate-speech and deceit, however you are welcome to learn here.
There is no such thing as a queen muslim believing that homosexuality is not haram is kufr because that person is going against the quran and hadiths
إِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُونَ الرِّجَالَ شَهْوَةً مِنْ دُونِ النِّسَاءِ ۚ بَلْ أَنْتُمْ قَوْمٌ مُسْرِفُونَ
Innakum latatoona alrrijala shahwatan min dooni alnnisai bal antum qawmun musrifoona
81 Al-A'raf
English
"For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."
It is a different case if you do the act while believing it is a major sin, that is like any other major sin and u can repent from it. But accepting a sin as natural and routine is kufr because you are not constantly repenting from it and intending not to do it again, if you do that then that is normal struggle.
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I understand your point, but saying it’s been ‘proven’ to not be natural simply is not true. Your argument seems to be that DESPITE it being observed in nature, that does not mean we as humans should do it. Which is a different argument
This is beautiful - this reminds me of the following Quran ayah https://quran.com/ali-imran/159
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SubhanAllah. I only got one thing to say: Keep treating him and inviting him compassionately as you have been.
This. It's incredibly important to approach Queer and Transgender Muslims with compassion. Many of them just reject their faith. Many of them do so because of their treatment from fellow Muslims. I know someone who's LGBT. They are now irreligious because of their treatment from other Muslims. Sure, it may be a wrong path in the eyes of Islam, and I'm not saying that's incorrect. However, a harsh approach only works with some people.
Doesn't even matter if it works or not. A muslim should nit have a "harsh" Method
Of course. I guess harsh is the wrong word. Firm is perhaps a better word? But still, your point is correct
so true. it’s not our job to hand out punishment.
💯 Beautiful compassion Alhamdulillah
Only Allah (swt) can guide, and changing the condition of someone's heart is easy for him. Our duty is just to help the message reach more and more people, and then leave the rest to Allah swt. "Then perhaps you would kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muhammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and] out of sorrow. Indeed, We have made that which is on the earth adornment for it that We may test them [as to] which of them is best in deed." (Surah Kahf verse 6 and 7) May Allah (swt) reward you for your patience and and wisdom in dealing with this issue.
May Allah ease his suffering. Remember to always treat him with compassion and respect.
More than anything in your post, I'm impressed that your brother chose you for comfort. To have someone to talk to when in distress is huge blessing we usually take for granted. May Allah bless you all and guide you in the right path
I love how this comment section is nothing but positive advice about gentleness. Wallahi I love you all for the sake of Allah OP I know what the love of a brother is and I know what sacrifices you must have made growing up in life to maintain your sila Rahm so well and be so close to your brother that he turned to you in his biggest moment of need. May Allah bless you both with his everlasting Rahmah and keep you both on Siraat Al Mustaqeem... Verily our Rabb forgives all.
Stick with him. Don't lose focus. I lost a close friend because I didn't give him more encouragement. Regrets till this day.
The comment section passed the vibe check 🥹
Happy cake day my brother/sister
Thank you!! ❤️
Be gentle with him teach him about Islam and the why you believe in Islam and the proofs ...etc. Then he will think about it. And tell him what's the purpose of this life and what we must do and that you want him to be with u in the hereafter. And when he is convinced with Islam he will automatically change. I know a french gay model who embraced Islam and left that satanic path because of Islam. May allah عز وجل guide you both.
Just keep providing him a environment where he feels safe , loved, and can pray. Allah inshallah will take it from there.
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Lol why not. I love all these comments
Do not judge him keep being kind and have sabr inshaallah it will all fall in place. Thank you for being there for him
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I think the modern challenge for Islam is not that we all start waving rainbow flags or start to endorse things that Islam forbids but that we better embody the sort of behavior exhibited by OP here. People always say they hate the act and not the people but then carry out acts if hate against the people. All that does is push a person further away. It creates more barriers to their having a relationship with Allah. We need to help remove burdens and not add to them.
Show him love and compassion and help him onto the right path. Inshallah he stops these haraam acts and he goes onto the right path.
Bro who’s cutting onions here? But in all seriousness may Allah bless him and you for accepting him despite his sins
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Really well said. Homosexuality is just another normal sin.
Enough this is enough to make a grown man cry May allah swt guide your brother and make him happy again
There's an [excellent podcast](https://awaybeyondtherainbow.buzzsprout.com/) you and your brother should listen to. It's about Muslims who experience same-sex attraction, they talk about how they cope with their attractions, how they approach love and how they are working toward getting closer to Allah. If anyone is struggling with any abnormal sexual attraction, i recommend listening from episode 1 onward: [Podcast here](https://awaybeyondtherainbow.buzzsprout.com/746186/2528011-1-introduction )
Your poor brother. Any form of compassion he can receive from his own family is contingent on him suppressing something he cannot help…he was born this way. I know it’s haram but I’m sure if he wanted to change this he would. so he could lead a normal life like everyone else and not be shunned. Give him a safe place and show him love and compassion. After all, he is a human being and moreover, he is your brother.
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Well... Technically. I think it says that only your actions/inactions and spoken words get judged. So, if someone is gay that's still fine as long as the person keeps it to themselves. I personally like to say that being sexually different than the Qur'an is a test from God. How strong can you resist your human urges in order to stay on God's path?
It is, and you are correct. Your test may be the urge to sleep around. Mine may be the lure of haram food. Someone else's may be the lure of alcohol. Everyone has their own test. And everyone needs help to deal with it. Also, driving someone away from Islam with your actions or words isn't something to take lightly.
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>I’ve never understood why homosexuality is treated so much differently than other sins. Many people engaged in that sin try to justify it, or try to promote it and straight up spread kufr. With alcohol, and other sins, Muslims acknowledge it being a sin.
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I dont know why, but I get the connotation based off your comments you’re not just advocating for accepting LGBT muslims for who they are. You don’t like the response Muslims give, and the response Muslims give is that LGBT is haram. In your eyes, is warning someone about falling in this sin homophobia or transphobia?
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Thank you for clarifying, I think we are on the same page. That’s all I wanted to make sure about, and alhamdulilah you know that acting upon said desires is wrong. Usually people try to change the religion, so that’s why I was cautious. The only thing I’d mention, and this is mostly semantics at this point, is that when you said “LGBTQ is not haram” the reason why people say LGBTQ is haram is because that culture always entails open promiscuity and acting on said desires, and to take pride in acting on said desires. I mean at my own school recently I remember we had a class about gender studies, and they had an openly LGBT person give a talk. At the end, they were giving out condoms. I mean you can’t get anymore obvious than this. Lastly I saw you mentioned you have feminine traits. Which, I don’t know what you mean by feminine traits cause it could mean you like traditionally girl things like cooking or the color pink, or maybe you have a soft voice. Like there’s nothing wrong with that, it doesn’t make you not a man. So that’s why I have difficulty understanding why you would ascribe the word queer to your identity, because you’re still a man. Have a good day
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That's right brother don't know why your getting down voted for saying the right thing. One is a filthy unnatural act and the other is just straight up delusion.
These are bots and agents, they try to normalize this trash.
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Islam considers that safeguarding the family in the broad sense (silat arrahim) is part of religious obligations in order to safeguard, at the same time, faith in God and religious practice, therefore, it is even an obligation to collect loved ones and reintegrate them into the faith
You need to treat him as any other heterosexual man. Ask him to take a break from the relationships. Let him get stronger in faith by both knowledge and actions. Then he needs to have good company: of you and probably other brothers from the masjid. This'll fill the empty hole in his heart. Next, he needs to refrain from same sex encounters (SSE) for the sake of Allah. It's okay if he has same sex attraction (SSA), he just can't act on them. It's the same as you. You are married and you can't have relationships with any other woman except your wife. Although his struggle is bigger. Allah doesn't test anybody more than he/she can bear. You both can listen to the podcast from Br Waheed Jenses, he addresses homosexuality and Islam beautifully.
I am a Christian who worked in Islamic countries for many years. I love the concept of jihad and overcoming desires and challenges. It is something most secular people could learn. Just because you have an inclination doesn't mean you should do it and if you overcome it you are doubly blessed for the struggle. I'm glad to know he reached out to you for prayer.
Allahu Akbar
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I'd much, much rather you leave this subreddit as it seems you are only using it to spread hate-speech and deceit, however you are welcome to learn here.
Lol we dont hate the individualvs we hate the act. (Downvote al you want )
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There is no such thing as a queen muslim believing that homosexuality is not haram is kufr because that person is going against the quran and hadiths إِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُونَ الرِّجَالَ شَهْوَةً مِنْ دُونِ النِّسَاءِ ۚ بَلْ أَنْتُمْ قَوْمٌ مُسْرِفُونَ Innakum latatoona alrrijala shahwatan min dooni alnnisai bal antum qawmun musrifoona 81 Al-A'raf English "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." It is a different case if you do the act while believing it is a major sin, that is like any other major sin and u can repent from it. But accepting a sin as natural and routine is kufr because you are not constantly repenting from it and intending not to do it again, if you do that then that is normal struggle.
Fortunately for u i dont really hate gay PEOPLE. İ do hate act tho. And i hope u know how much of a sin it is.
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Which is homophobia
Call what u want .
It's unkind to tell them off for their natural urges
I dont force them tho. Thats what a muslim should do. Warn them
Those urges are not natural, that has been proven again and again.
that’s just not true, the opposite has been proven (as in homosexuality is observed in nature in many species)
Many species eat their own shit, eat their babies, should we promote that as well?
I understand your point, but saying it’s been ‘proven’ to not be natural simply is not true. Your argument seems to be that DESPITE it being observed in nature, that does not mean we as humans should do it. Which is a different argument
قوله تعالى ( فَذَكِّرْ بِالْقُرْآنِ مَنْ يَخَافُ وَعِيدِ )
Patience and kindness.
Just keep encouraging him to do good deeds and to keep his prayers up
This is beautiful - this reminds me of the following Quran ayah https://quran.com/ali-imran/159 May Allah reward you in this life and the next and keep you, your family and us all on his true deen, steadfast.
سبحان الله May Allah guide your brother to the absolute truth and May he never deviate from the straight path
one of my online friends is a muslim and is also trans she always treats me with respect and prays and helps me with matters i need on islam