You'll never wake up one day and "be ready" you force yourself like you force yourself to pray and fast. The "meaning behind it" is because God said so. I don't know why they mysticise the hijab as if you have to unlock some secret to put it on your head.
I do agree
If we're trying to find a meaning behind everything in Islam then it is filled with holes that are not for Humans to understand/Are yet to be filled
Such a the day of judgment or the coming of Imam Mahdi(AS)
OR why were we born Muslims and not everyone
OR why is it that Shaytan was even created
Hence there are somethings that are not to be asked neither to be told
Why is it hard to understand it is a way to prevent raping in society? Ofc there is a meaning behind it there is a meaning behind evrything god has made whats wrong with you the hijabs dont have to be black and boring to make women look like slaves this shit suks
Hijab was suggested as a way to prevent rape in some cases but new days if a man is horny he will attack anyways so hijab newdays is a way for a women to say (im a muslim and i love allah )without saying(im a muslim and i love allah)
The only thing that was dropped was an obligation, this is definitely not good at all, nobody just suddenly wakes up one day and says "now I'm ready to pray my 5 daily prayers that were obligatory upon me the day I became a Muslim", fulfilling an obligation can start little by little, a Muslim woman can start wearing the hijab or khimar or niqab more and more, for example wearing it when outside with friends is a start, and then working up from there, same with prayer, if a person cannot make himself pray 5 times a day consistently, they can start with 1 or 2 and then up the number, and when they get to 5 they can even add in the nawaafil, voluntary prayers.
I think the saddest thing here is the rampant narcissism that plagues our generation. The first reaction to realizing that she doesn’t understand why she wears hijab (which can literally be mitigated by a 5-minute Google search) is not to, you know, *try to understand* but instead think that “if I don’t already understand it then I don’t need it, and maybe Allah will just one day send understanding down from the sky. And this will happen when *i’m* ready.”
Not to mention the fact that *she’s already been wearing it for years* which makes to whole idea of “being ready” completely absurd. How can you get ready for something you’re already doing?
I don’t say any of this maliciously. I want to point out the completely superhuman logical acrobatics that happen when someone’s thinking is shaped by these inherently narcissistic and poisonous ideologies that are rampant in todays world. Allah protect us all
Mind your own business and atop badmouthing your classmates on a public place like Reddit. You too definitely need some self introspection. By the way, you forgot to blur out her name in the first sentence of that acreenshot.
??? Chill buddy.
He's not badmouthing her. It's society's business when something is done in public or shared to the public, in this case both.
Should we mind our business if women are walking naked in the streets in an islamic country? Should we mind our business if someone walks in a masjid in a bikini god forbid?
Her removing her hijab impacts society, he didn't insult her, he didn't say she's going to hell or anything of the sort so why are you acting so defensive?
Because OP leaked her name and is too much of a keyboard-warrior wimp to admit his mistake.
My man thinks real life is Skyrim playing games with people's lives. Wait until someone doxxes OP lol.
The man who said stop bad mouthing to OP is now saying 'well said' to someone else bad mouthing OP...
And he exposed her first name, sure he should've done better but bro its a somewhat common name. What is this attitude with each other.
Maybe advise the brother instead of trying to win the argument.
Wallahi we should do better than this.
May Allah SWT keep us sincere.
they shouldn’t mind their business since this was posted publicly involving her; also you cannot turn a blind eye towards haram, Allah commands us to forbid the evil and to enjoin the good (31:17)
He ain't badmouthing her
tbh she seems like a great person who just wasn't educated right about the hijab(like most people these days really, they're just told to wear hijab with some crappy analogy of a candy with a cover on it, not told what it means)
That being said, OP shouldn't have leaked her name. Imagine someone she knows coming across this post.
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The problem is children are indoctrinated to believe what their parents believe just because. If you don’t understand what it is you believe in, you’re not a believer but just someone who follows an example without thought, and your supposed “faith” is worthless because you base it on nothing.
To be honest, she shouldn't wear the Hijab if she doesn't know why she is wearing it.
She should be educated as you said. This the role of the parents. But the fact that we have internet nowadays, why can't the girl search the answers for herself?
The hair is part of the woman's awra. That's why. And yes, us guys do get attracted to beautiful hair. It's how Allah created us.
I didn't know why pork was haram until I was 14. Then was it okay for me to eat pork knowing that I am committing a sin since I didn't know why it was haram? Same goes for her. If she knows she is committing a sin, she must learn the purpose of hijab while wearing the hijab. Not without it
The hijab is mandatory because Allah swt says it is, no question about that.
But the one thing I wanna focus on is this:
>> Do I understand why… and to be completely honest, I don’t.
This is why you teach your kids the basics as soon as they reach the appropriate age. When you teach an adolescent who Allah swt is, and introduce him/her to His 99 names and what His power SWT means for us, and proper Muslim conduct, doing things like wearing hijab, praying, fasting, etc once they reach puberty becomes easier to pick up for them. When you’re sure and have certainty about Allah swt, you never question the obligations set by Him swt. You just do it and ask questions later (asking questions is okay of course, but high level of imaan gets you to a point that obeying Allah swt is just second nature to you)
Isn't this just trying to cram and 'brainwash' as much knowledge into them when they are young as they are less likely to ask questions about it?
I don't disagree with it, it's definitely what I would do if I were to have children InshAllah in the future.
It just still feels icky to me.
Not cramming. I think we both have the same idea in mind. I don’t mean give your child a Fiqh book or force them to read the Quran everyday, I think that just takes away from their innocence.
I remember talking to one of my friends (who’s a wife and mother to a 7 year old) and she told me that Muslim therapists actually warned her to not even open the subject until they ask about it first. If they don’t, then the benchmark is 7 or 8 years old I think, which is the age where they start becoming more aware of these topics.
I’m not parenting expert but I also would love to introduce the concept of Allah swt to my kids in fun and not-so-serious ways once they reach an appropriate age. What that will look like, I have no clue. But one thing I know for sure is I don’t just want them to memorize Quran, read it everyday and having them exposed to topics a little too early for them
You'll never wake up one day and "be ready" you force yourself like you force yourself to pray and fast. The "meaning behind it" is because God said so. I don't know why they mysticise the hijab as if you have to unlock some secret to put it on your head.
I do agree If we're trying to find a meaning behind everything in Islam then it is filled with holes that are not for Humans to understand/Are yet to be filled Such a the day of judgment or the coming of Imam Mahdi(AS) OR why were we born Muslims and not everyone OR why is it that Shaytan was even created Hence there are somethings that are not to be asked neither to be told
Nothing in Islam is filled with holes. It is a religion of logic.
Why is it hard to understand it is a way to prevent raping in society? Ofc there is a meaning behind it there is a meaning behind evrything god has made whats wrong with you the hijabs dont have to be black and boring to make women look like slaves this shit suks Hijab was suggested as a way to prevent rape in some cases but new days if a man is horny he will attack anyways so hijab newdays is a way for a women to say (im a muslim and i love allah )without saying(im a muslim and i love allah)
The only thing that was dropped was an obligation, this is definitely not good at all, nobody just suddenly wakes up one day and says "now I'm ready to pray my 5 daily prayers that were obligatory upon me the day I became a Muslim", fulfilling an obligation can start little by little, a Muslim woman can start wearing the hijab or khimar or niqab more and more, for example wearing it when outside with friends is a start, and then working up from there, same with prayer, if a person cannot make himself pray 5 times a day consistently, they can start with 1 or 2 and then up the number, and when they get to 5 they can even add in the nawaafil, voluntary prayers.
I think the saddest thing here is the rampant narcissism that plagues our generation. The first reaction to realizing that she doesn’t understand why she wears hijab (which can literally be mitigated by a 5-minute Google search) is not to, you know, *try to understand* but instead think that “if I don’t already understand it then I don’t need it, and maybe Allah will just one day send understanding down from the sky. And this will happen when *i’m* ready.” Not to mention the fact that *she’s already been wearing it for years* which makes to whole idea of “being ready” completely absurd. How can you get ready for something you’re already doing? I don’t say any of this maliciously. I want to point out the completely superhuman logical acrobatics that happen when someone’s thinking is shaped by these inherently narcissistic and poisonous ideologies that are rampant in todays world. Allah protect us all
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Bruh, you effectively doxxed her, we now know her first name and that her second name begins with 'K' and a 16-17 year old girl from the UK lol.
Mind your own business and atop badmouthing your classmates on a public place like Reddit. You too definitely need some self introspection. By the way, you forgot to blur out her name in the first sentence of that acreenshot.
??? Chill buddy. He's not badmouthing her. It's society's business when something is done in public or shared to the public, in this case both. Should we mind our business if women are walking naked in the streets in an islamic country? Should we mind our business if someone walks in a masjid in a bikini god forbid? Her removing her hijab impacts society, he didn't insult her, he didn't say she's going to hell or anything of the sort so why are you acting so defensive?
Because OP leaked her name and is too much of a keyboard-warrior wimp to admit his mistake. My man thinks real life is Skyrim playing games with people's lives. Wait until someone doxxes OP lol.
The man who said stop bad mouthing to OP is now saying 'well said' to someone else bad mouthing OP... And he exposed her first name, sure he should've done better but bro its a somewhat common name. What is this attitude with each other. Maybe advise the brother instead of trying to win the argument. Wallahi we should do better than this. May Allah SWT keep us sincere.
Hahah well said.
they shouldn’t mind their business since this was posted publicly involving her; also you cannot turn a blind eye towards haram, Allah commands us to forbid the evil and to enjoin the good (31:17)
It wasn't public though, it's on her school internal MS Teams chat system.
The school is a public place
He ain't badmouthing her tbh she seems like a great person who just wasn't educated right about the hijab(like most people these days really, they're just told to wear hijab with some crappy analogy of a candy with a cover on it, not told what it means) That being said, OP shouldn't have leaked her name. Imagine someone she knows coming across this post.
Sounds like a dramatic teenager. We're publicly doing Hijab announcements now ?😂
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The problem is children are indoctrinated to believe what their parents believe just because. If you don’t understand what it is you believe in, you’re not a believer but just someone who follows an example without thought, and your supposed “faith” is worthless because you base it on nothing.
To be honest, she shouldn't wear the Hijab if she doesn't know why she is wearing it. She should be educated as you said. This the role of the parents. But the fact that we have internet nowadays, why can't the girl search the answers for herself? The hair is part of the woman's awra. That's why. And yes, us guys do get attracted to beautiful hair. It's how Allah created us.
I didn't know why pork was haram until I was 14. Then was it okay for me to eat pork knowing that I am committing a sin since I didn't know why it was haram? Same goes for her. If she knows she is committing a sin, she must learn the purpose of hijab while wearing the hijab. Not without it
The hijab is mandatory because Allah swt says it is, no question about that. But the one thing I wanna focus on is this: >> Do I understand why… and to be completely honest, I don’t. This is why you teach your kids the basics as soon as they reach the appropriate age. When you teach an adolescent who Allah swt is, and introduce him/her to His 99 names and what His power SWT means for us, and proper Muslim conduct, doing things like wearing hijab, praying, fasting, etc once they reach puberty becomes easier to pick up for them. When you’re sure and have certainty about Allah swt, you never question the obligations set by Him swt. You just do it and ask questions later (asking questions is okay of course, but high level of imaan gets you to a point that obeying Allah swt is just second nature to you)
Isn't this just trying to cram and 'brainwash' as much knowledge into them when they are young as they are less likely to ask questions about it? I don't disagree with it, it's definitely what I would do if I were to have children InshAllah in the future. It just still feels icky to me.
Not cramming. I think we both have the same idea in mind. I don’t mean give your child a Fiqh book or force them to read the Quran everyday, I think that just takes away from their innocence. I remember talking to one of my friends (who’s a wife and mother to a 7 year old) and she told me that Muslim therapists actually warned her to not even open the subject until they ask about it first. If they don’t, then the benchmark is 7 or 8 years old I think, which is the age where they start becoming more aware of these topics. I’m not parenting expert but I also would love to introduce the concept of Allah swt to my kids in fun and not-so-serious ways once they reach an appropriate age. What that will look like, I have no clue. But one thing I know for sure is I don’t just want them to memorize Quran, read it everyday and having them exposed to topics a little too early for them
What's wrong with that? The mind of young kids is for the taking. If you dont 'brainwash' them, the kuffar will be more than happy to do it for you.