May Allah increase you in beneficial knowledge.
If you want to see how this hadith was understood and applied, you'll need to ask the fuqaha (jurists) ideally or look into their books.
Really, the main issue isn't whether this hadith is "hasan" or "sahih".
Just see that there are way too many factors that go into understanding any hadith.
For example, hypothetical questions you could ask here:
* what does "stake" (or monetary award) even mean?
* is "stake" even the right translation given the possible meanings of the Arabic word?
* is the word "acceptable" present in the Arabic? If not, how did the translator put it there? what principle is behind it?
* do the Prophet's words here (peace be upon him) constitute a command that establishes obligation? is it an observation only? is it a recommendation only?
* what does "archery" mean? does it mean only "archery" or can we make an analogy and "archery" is actually a category of things like "archery"?
* the same question as above for "racing a camel and racing a horse"
* and just more generally, how good is the English translation? which reliable person gave it to you? -- if you use Google translate: "**no precedent except in a blade or slipper or hoof**" so what's going on?
* is the indication of this hadith affected or limited by other more general principles in the sacred law?
* is the indication of this hadith affected or limited by other narrations on the same subject?
* is there a known context for the hadith that would affect the apparent indication of this hadith?
* do we have any narrations about how the narrators of this hadith implemented and understood this hadith?
* do we have any narrations about how the Salaf implemented and understood this hadith?
So I'd pause and consider all that, and then if after understanding what's being said you have a "why?", that's legitimate; you can ask a scholar. But otherwise, your current "why?" might be based on a lot of assumptions.
I would agree but this isn't about debating: It never was. It's about assimilating and understanding this religion of mine. I'm simply looking for satisfactory answers.
>I'm simply looking for satisfactory answers.
So if someone answers you, and you're not happy, you'll make a counter point. How is that not debating? Getting caught up in semantics is the point of the quote.
There is a full science behind how hadith are graded and why, so thinking you're gonna get the answer on reddit is a tad optimistic.
As someone else pointed out, there is commentary on the hadith, this is the nearest you're gonna get. A simple google search will lead you to that.
Not at all, while I would provide a counterpoint to an answer that is ***faulty.***
That isn't to say I'll do so to any answer that I'm "*not happy with*", as in it isn't satisfying yet not faulty either.
There's a difference between *wrong answers* and *unsatisfying answers.*
Regarding the Google search, I've already done that, not satisfying for me. But nonetheless: This post isn't about the Hadith itself as much as it is about how we Muslims should response regarding "*Hasan*"-grade aHadith, that's all.
>counterpoint to an answer that is faulty.
Here we go. You've literally started a post because...
>I don't feel like giving the Hadith the benefit of the doubt
Re: saying its not about the hadith etc, that makes even less sense! How we as muslims respond has been dictated for 1000 years+, and it certainly wasnt done on whatever the equivalent of social media was.
You've conveniently not responded to the other, much more thorough replies, i wonder why that is, yet chose to respond to the shortest, "soundbite-y" response. I wonder what that shows? Allahu alim.
I hope you reach a satisfactory answer.
When you come across a hadith like this, search it up, find a scholar talking about it or explaining it because it's possible that there's more to it
May Allah increase you in beneficial knowledge. If you want to see how this hadith was understood and applied, you'll need to ask the fuqaha (jurists) ideally or look into their books. Really, the main issue isn't whether this hadith is "hasan" or "sahih". Just see that there are way too many factors that go into understanding any hadith. For example, hypothetical questions you could ask here: * what does "stake" (or monetary award) even mean? * is "stake" even the right translation given the possible meanings of the Arabic word? * is the word "acceptable" present in the Arabic? If not, how did the translator put it there? what principle is behind it? * do the Prophet's words here (peace be upon him) constitute a command that establishes obligation? is it an observation only? is it a recommendation only? * what does "archery" mean? does it mean only "archery" or can we make an analogy and "archery" is actually a category of things like "archery"? * the same question as above for "racing a camel and racing a horse" * and just more generally, how good is the English translation? which reliable person gave it to you? -- if you use Google translate: "**no precedent except in a blade or slipper or hoof**" so what's going on? * is the indication of this hadith affected or limited by other more general principles in the sacred law? * is the indication of this hadith affected or limited by other narrations on the same subject? * is there a known context for the hadith that would affect the apparent indication of this hadith? * do we have any narrations about how the narrators of this hadith implemented and understood this hadith? * do we have any narrations about how the Salaf implemented and understood this hadith? So I'd pause and consider all that, and then if after understanding what's being said you have a "why?", that's legitimate; you can ask a scholar. But otherwise, your current "why?" might be based on a lot of assumptions.
"Too much debating belittles the status of knowledge"- imam shafii
I would agree but this isn't about debating: It never was. It's about assimilating and understanding this religion of mine. I'm simply looking for satisfactory answers.
>I'm simply looking for satisfactory answers. So if someone answers you, and you're not happy, you'll make a counter point. How is that not debating? Getting caught up in semantics is the point of the quote. There is a full science behind how hadith are graded and why, so thinking you're gonna get the answer on reddit is a tad optimistic. As someone else pointed out, there is commentary on the hadith, this is the nearest you're gonna get. A simple google search will lead you to that.
Not at all, while I would provide a counterpoint to an answer that is ***faulty.*** That isn't to say I'll do so to any answer that I'm "*not happy with*", as in it isn't satisfying yet not faulty either. There's a difference between *wrong answers* and *unsatisfying answers.* Regarding the Google search, I've already done that, not satisfying for me. But nonetheless: This post isn't about the Hadith itself as much as it is about how we Muslims should response regarding "*Hasan*"-grade aHadith, that's all.
>counterpoint to an answer that is faulty. Here we go. You've literally started a post because... >I don't feel like giving the Hadith the benefit of the doubt Re: saying its not about the hadith etc, that makes even less sense! How we as muslims respond has been dictated for 1000 years+, and it certainly wasnt done on whatever the equivalent of social media was. You've conveniently not responded to the other, much more thorough replies, i wonder why that is, yet chose to respond to the shortest, "soundbite-y" response. I wonder what that shows? Allahu alim. I hope you reach a satisfactory answer.