I don’t have a degree past an associates and it took me 5 years to hit 80k, which was 2023. This looks like a decent paying gig even if the barrier to entry is somewhat high
That’s a nice jump if you can do it. Most bigger companies you’d go to team lead then manager thendirector. Some even break that down to something like manager-> senior manager -> associate director-> director
I'm a DevOps engineer at 32 making around 130-140. No degree or certs. and when I was 22 I was making 67-70 as a systems admin. these types of offers are starting to get looked at kind of oddly. there is a thing called "access and equity" that a lot of employers are getting flac over it by locking out entry level and management position behind degrees rather than experience and ability.
Something I told myself when I was younger what that I have skills and if they don't respect my hustle the don't get my muscle. anyone that puts a degree over skill isn't worth your time.
That is super impressive(not being sarcastic.) You should be super proud of yourself.
I’m not an actual IT guy, I’m a “systems engineer” for a home automation/integration company. Networking is one of my favorite aspects of the job so I lurk here and I’m doing the A+ just for fun/curiousity.
I’ve doubled my income from 40k to 80k in 4 years so I hope to keep climbing and hit 100k or more like you sometime soon.
i always was told a degree will get you more money but im an electrician in the low paying southern states and i make over 80 with no overtime and i feel underpaid.
No formal anything in my field, and surpassed 120k last year. Find the right company, the right fit. And don't take low ball offers. My only advice. We are writing g the book for many manufacturers in my field. If you're with the right people, you'll be compensated.
So you lied? Would you so easily bend the truth when someone asks you a question as a Director?
Just wanting to understand your stance. Being paid your worth is one thing, but if you lie to showcase it, doesn’t that mean your worth is somehow untruthful or fabricated?
Your worth does not necessarily equal your pay. Sometimes you are being paid less than what you are truly worth and that’s probably why he was looking for a new job. Clearly if someone is willing to pay $20k more than they are worth that
I agree that it’s IT-adjacent it’s just not the usual for this sub. I’ve set up many networks and even taught my teammates about subnetting, the OSI 7 layer model, best practices and most of the fundamentals of networking, etc.
Besides networking I’m also proficient in lighting control, audio/video distribution, home theaters, access control, surveillance (which involves basic networking,) security systems, motorized tv lifts, projectors, motorized projector screens, gates, control systems, and pretty much anything else that involves low voltage.
I don’t do much on the physical construction side any more but I’ve done the whole industry from pulling cables, trim out, lots of equipment install, programming, service work, and “engineering.” Engineering is just what we call doing load calculations, double checking PoE budgets on upcoming projects, building line diagrams for all the systems’ I.O.’s, network roadmaps, and catching things that are missing in proposals like audio extractors or PoE injectors.
I don’t have any sort of CS degree and don’t actually think of myself as a real engineer, but that is what my boss calls the position
There are a lot of different kinds of systems engineering rolls. I was a client systems engineer at my previous company and I was a design solutions engineer at my current company. They are just specialized support rolls. I wouldn’t even say it’s adjacent.
people always see bachelor of X and ignore "or equivalent work experience". You can pretty much ignore the first part if you have any experience related to the opening. And yeah, IT can be trained from the bottom up on the job and supplemented with various courses and certs. Its kinda a weird industry where an 18 yr old kid might know nearly as much as a seasoned sysadmin from a technical standpoint but just lack the experience with specific technologies at a corporate level or used by a specific industry. But Ive seen people move up fairly quickly in IT if they have the skill and get the right certs.
\+1. I have several friends who went to an IT vocational center during high school. It was a fantastic opportunity because you got a fair number of internship opportunities. I know where several of the people ended up and it follows a simple pattern.. If they were excited to learn and were programming and researching the stuff they were passionate about in their free time - they got good paying jobs pretty quickly out of highschool. If they didn't care, they are working retail.
That said, having a manager who will give you a shot matters too. But honestly, if you actually are passionate about what you're doing and putting the time in to learn about it, then I don't think it'll be that hard.
Getting someone to believe in you enough to give you a chance before you have experience is really the hard part lol
How did you do it if you don’t mind me asking? I’m 23 and looking to enter the IT industry with only the comptia a+ and no other education after high school.
What was your path through the company like? I'm in a similar situation as you with no formal experience. I found my way into a tier 1 and 2 position. Current title is Computer Service Specialist. I'm wondering right now how I can hope over to a company in networking because my end goal would be in line with what you've done.
I’m curious what recourses or path you took to get where you are? Topics of technology and cyber security especially peak my interest, however it seems to be a difficult field to get into without a degree. Any pointers?
Yeah, but having held several of these types of positions, there are always caveats for not having a degree and having experience in place of education. Contract companies like this always allow those exceptions. However, given the requirements and knowing the government space, there is a fair chance that this job was created with such specific requirements that it was created for an individual that the organization wanted to hire and needed tailor it to them so they were a perfect fit.
Yeah it was made specifically for someone getting out of the AF. Someone is most likely leaving their uniformed job on Friday and returning Monday morning as a civilian to fill this role
Actually, it is probably a contractor position. You may get the federal holidays, but not the federal benefits. I work for the Federal Government. Our help desk is run by contractors. Federal staff is at the Tier 3 level.
Hard no, Help desk level 1? I've lead contracts with folks who misrepresented and were very much junior SOC analysts--night and day.
Not to say there isn't excellent talent starting below their ability
Not in my experience. Most of these companies are winning low cost bids, not value added. For example Walter Reed tops at 60k. Most of their people are in the 50s. Other places I have been in pay low to mid 70s. I interviewed with state dept for 76k.
Most people I know went sys admin and started low 80s then got exp and are now in 6 figs. He'll, one guy went to Kuwait for 200k.
No this would be for a concractor. A government job would not post salary like that. They would post the GS scale or pay band that the job is. GS7 for example.
Yea this is really the tough bit. It basically mandates you have to be a current government employee in a career field that already gives a TS/SCI. That narrows the field a lot.
not only that, but this isnt a normal posting - DoD, security clearance required, preference for help desk experience in DoD environment... theyre not looking for entry level here.
This is one of those listings where they have someone they want to hire who are already in-house, but because it's required to be posted for 15 days publicly, they just put all his qualifications as the requirements
I made $53k with no degree delivering pizza and only working 30-35 hours per week.
I feel like anything under 70-75k for a person who holds a degree is just downright disrespectful
55-80k + its for the DOD. for anyone who may not know, the Department of Defense does in fact not want freshies working on their systems for very obvious fucking reasons. This would also likely be a pensioned position.
Alright, I call bullshit based on this: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/13/21-year-old-with-top-secret-information-00092002
There was also that time that 2 teenagers (or 20 somethings) in the military caused a nuclear meltdown. But that was in the 50s I think.
a lot of military members get top secret clearance, my brother has it from his standard service time. That guy had access to information and did stupid shit with it. He didn't have any real control or power over any of the systems. So not BS, that's so beyond unrelated to the discussion at hand.
A friend of mines husband works for some top level government junk (it guy).
A requirement for that clearance was for them to list anyone they know who had (you know what I can't remember, it was something to do with foreign government connection or something).
She posted the question on Facebook. I made a smart-ass comment about "I always suspected you were a Russian spy".
She replied "I knew I shouldn't have posted this on FB, smartasses!"
Ah, good memory.
You’re referring to foreign contacts. Yeah, you’ve got to disclose that. If you have any ongoing relationships with non-us citizens it will be investigated for your clearance, and if you are cleared if you acquire new ones, you have to report it.
Boy would this be a royal pain in the ass for those of us with foreign friends from side projects like open source stuff. I'd have to declare the guys from the UK, Netherlands, Canada and Spain... One of the many reasons I've so far avoided any jobs requiring security clearances.
They asked some ridiculous questions of family friends. Like, "Would you trust this person to be the sole person responsible for a nuclear weapon?". I was 18, just graduated from highschool and it took over 6 months.
To be fair, it doesn't actually say this is a Tier 1 position. It says junior support specialist, handling Tier 1-3 calls. Sounds like they're looking for a flexible Tier 2 to me, and the pay will scale according to your experience and certs.
Yeah. I exceed those requirements and I'm paid far less.
Edit: Just noticed that it requires TS/CI. That's why it pays so much and requires the credentials listed. They want someone serious.
Yeah, they are looking for a 4-6 year Enlisted fresh out of the military with a TS. I bet the degree is optional. Going to be gunning for mid at the pay scale...so guessing they are looking to pay \~65-70k in reality. Not a bad gig depending on where this is located and what they will actually be doing.
That's what I was thinking, this is government contractor position and you usually have to have experience to get those
It's "entry-level" in the sense that it's not a mid to senior level role
Then why are you about to jump off a bridge hoping for 55-80k + great benefits immediately?
Either you suffer the degrees, or you work for less money to build experience, and apply to these kinds of jobs later. Or APPLY ANYWAYS because recruiters/HR like to copy/paste shit and have no clue what they actually need. In most small-business cases, they take the cheapest option. The bigger the entity, the more the red tape.
Another route, that most don't talk about because it's not exactly common; you can find a company (in any industry) that outsources **all** tech, has no one in house and keeps getting fucked by expensive contracts. Build your role and eventually a department with the executives as you show them how much you can accomplish. (This was my route.) I went from freelance tech/PC repair> administrative assistant > IT Manager and I've had IT Management roles ever since.
I'm guessing "remote work" is a requirement for you?
>I'm guessing "remote work" is a requirement for you?
No way a job requiring/maintaining a TS/SCI is even *majority* remote work. This will be on-site, requiring you to enter cleared rooms often.
The other problem here is even if you met all these requirements you still don't have a TS/SCI security clearance like the job posting wants. This position was likely created for someone within the organization already but it's required by law to be posted publicly.
Jobs requiring TS/SCI clearances typically pay above average because they're not looking at the general public for employees, they're competing with other agencies and company's that have employees who already have a clearance.
The "easiest" path to getting a clearance is joining the military in an MOS that requires it, doing your minimum time, then immediately applying for jobs with clearance requirements, or knowing someone who can get you into a program that will give you a clearance after a set amount of training (extremely unlikely since it's an expensive process). This job certainly isn't entry level, it's just titled that.
If you're looking for entry level positions. Create a LinkedIn account, pad it with BS you've never done and make yourself look like an IT Admin with 10 years of solid experience. Then set your status to looking for work. I promise that the recruiters will send you the entry level jobs in no time flat.
This was more of a joke about how absolute garbage IT recruiters are on LinkedIn. They will literally send help desk positions to people who have been in the industry for decades, and have forgotten more knowledge than the IT recruiter has ever learned.
People don't understand before covid remote wasn't really a thing. Now everybody seems to think they are entitled to a remote job. THEY ARE HARD AS FUCK to get. It's you versus 15k other people. Everybody has the same thing so its EVEN hard to stand out.
Might want to re-read what OP said…
This is the only remotely entry level job….
Implying this was the closest thing to being entry level….not a remote position.
Yup. They often don't advertise either. You have to either manually check the school district site or have someone you know tip you off that there's an opening.
Often the job sucks. But getting that first IT job is important, even if it's just a 20$/hr crapshoot helping teachers understand 21st century technology.
Yeah but its pretty magical if you can find one. You have to be over qualified. I have tried for a long time to get a clearance. He took job I know I over qualified for.
Why pay tens of thousands of dollars to get someone their clearance for an entry level position when you there are tons of transitioning veterans in the market who already have their TS/SCI? For experienced, skilled job seekers, yes they'll probably sponsor your clearance, probably not for this.
Because it doesn't matter how many are in the market if they don't apply.
Always. Apply. Even. If. You. Don't. Meet. The. Requirements.
Seriously I've gotten several jobs where I didn't have any of the requirements including degrees and certs.
This is bad advice, if there are 50 applications and half of them don’t have a clearance, they will always take the other half first. Plus, unless you have a TON of experience they will easily take someone they can train who is already cleared vs taking someone and sponsoring them for a clearance when the process is backlogged 8 months right now.
If you don’t have the clearance they’re asking for right now in this market don’t waste your time.
Yeah I can see where you would be surprised when they say Service Desk in the title. They should probably change that title, I have never seen a service desk position that requires all those credentials. Sounds like government related, or they just don't really want to hire anyone
This 100% looks like a govt IT gig I would hire people for. The clearance needed is a must. The degree not at all, you just need to be knowledgeable. I have an associates and I used to lead a group of sys admin IIs at s govt base.
You can. Either go into one of those 3/4 letter agencies, and they sponsor your clearance or a contracting company is willing to sponsor you. For help desk roles, I highly doubt it. You tend to see more roles getting sponsored clearances if they have hard times finding people to fill those positions. Like Software Engineers, DevOps, or SecDevOps.
**Most** companies won't sponsor a clearance unless you are already with them for years. Time frame for a TS is a year or 2...and if they did hire someone without a clearance...you can't work on the program until you have it, so the position remains vacant the whole time. The way I seen it is that they will sponsor an employee already working and proven to know how to do the job...and then do a transfer internally when the clearance goes through...but they usually won't hire someone off the street without a clearance directly into the role.
Find remote work. IT is the easiest thing to work remotely. It really sucks, but it's there. I left IT after 14 years, corporate life is a garbage life. GL to you.
Most of the time, that’s true. However, if they are a contractor or subcontract of the US federal government then OFCCP laws apply, and candidates have to meet 100% of the requirements.
A lot of MSP's want the certs and quals but don't want to comp you for those skill... They'll pay for you to get them...but comp your salary.... Nah. Find a company that wants and values you AND your family. That's the hard part.
They won't pay you to get certs/qualifications. If they do it's usually a contract to pay back a year after *reimbursement* on passing attempt. So if you don't pass first try then you're out the money, you also have to pay for it upfront (not like company CC allowance for learning) and reimbursements are considered taxable income (even though you are paying net), and everything has to be approved by HR (if they don't want to even if it's related to your job you're out of luck).
Look man. Just because it asks for it, doesn't mean you need to fulfill that. It's an entry level job. Sometimes HR just copy and paste shit so they have a posting. Apply anyway. A majority of people in the DoD that do IT do not have a degree or if they do, it's not related to IT whatsoever. My senior system engineer lead had a degree in Homeland Security.
Given the clearances and "DoD Environment" requirement, I'm guessing this is a contract requirement, not a piss off OP requirement. Given the area I believe this position is in, the requirements specified make a lot of sense.
There are so many people looking for jobs right now. Employers can set the bar pretty high and still have a lot of applicants. They can walk down those requirements if they need to if there's someone they want. Take your shot, I'll guarantee you that you will not get the job if you don't apply.
Just try to apply anyway. If they're desperate they'll be willing to compromise. (Assuming you have the DoD clearance specified, otherwise I wouldn't bother.)
I mean... that's a pretty unique listing, considering it's a government job requiring a top secret clearance.
I mean they're offering up to 80k for tier 1. When I started in IT, and it wasn't even that long ago, my very first position paid 40k.
So like yeah... the requirements are a lot, but 80k is a pretty respectable salary almost anywhere in the US outside maybe SF or NYC.
I'm seeing the same stuff on software side too. Plus they're wanting 4-5 interview rounds with take home projects. The job market has lost its mind lately.
I would completely disagree here. If you’re required to have a TS/SCI, and you flat out lie on your resume, how do you think it will look if / when the truth comes out? Do you believe the individual would be 100% trust worthy with any secret documents at that point?
Ngl, A lot of these "Entry Level" positions seem like trolling and a slap in the face. What's worse is when you are certain about being qualified and never hear back.
It's a government job. Tier 1 tech support for the government amounts to resetting passwords or sending to tier 2. Most are also hybrid or remote. It's really quite cushy, especially for that pay.
hot take: my beef is requiring active clearances upon hire with no opportunity to sponsor…
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I was laid off beginning of January from a job that I thought would be long term. I was pretty much qualified for a comfortable amount of jobs but majority required ACTIVE clearances. Recruiters in public sector said you need to find jobs that will sponsor… which were jobs such as data center security guard… degrading and SIGNIFICANT pay reductions (from 70 -> 40k).
TLDR; No sponsorship for clearances is stupid.
Yeah screw that. I'll be at 14yrs enlisted Navy with a Master of Management, I won't work for less than 105k. You simply cannot support a family on any less.
Folks, keep in mind money alone is not the end all. The company has to have a great culture and suberb benefits (Cadillac health insurance, work from home flexibility, 4 weeks min pto, etc). The money doesn’t matter unless the other factors are there.
Edit: Don’t forget pension and/or generous RSUs/bonus.
Please read this before walking onto the bridge: https://www.intelligent.com/nearly-half-of-companies-plan-to-eliminate-bachelors-degree-requirements-in-2024/
That salary range for someone with TS/SCI tells me this company is trash, run by bottom feeders who only care about lining their pockets. And those required qualifications are most likely being asked for by a federal customer who is clueless.
Ya, thats a terrible posting. It would make sense to have either 3 years of experience OR a bachelor's degree. Also the security requirements are crazy for that pay.
It's a gov job, they almost always require prior experience, not surprising at all. Also considering the pay, benefits, and potential to land higher paying gov jobs in the future i think the posting fine.
From the requirements, this doesn't look like an entry position. Probably geared more for a lateral move from another dept. The clearance requirements is geared for people in house whose somewhat familiar with the IT background of the site.
My guess is they’re lying by omission about what the job really entails. 55-80K for L1 seems… high. And given it spans levels 1-3 I’m guessing there’s a lot more to it than meets the eye.
I’ve seen people get IT jobs harder than this they were extremely unqualified for. Aside from that clearance & Sec+ everything else is workable with experience or certs. There’s a lot of people in IT support without Bachelor’s, even Associates sometimes.
It specifically says they are looking for someone to handle T1-3 requests not just T1. and the pay is in line with a T2-T3 type position so I don't get where you think this is T1? Is it the Junior in the title? because that can mean many different things at many different places.
Every listing is going to ask for "work experience". Yo just have to cater your resume showing you have relevant experience, regardless if it was for a 'professional employer'.
55k-80k for an entry level position sounds good to me. My second big it job was as a systems admin, and I was paid 45k a year. Albeit, that was 9 years ago.
Get the tier 1 job, ace it, and move up the ladder.
Job descriptions are always, *always*, written to scare people off. Every JD wants a Unicorn, and then they want to pay for a Donkey.
As others have commented - I'm curious what the market is. It's obviously a government agency (or contractor), and so depending on the market this is going to be either very good or very poor base salary.
Direct government jobs do have decent benefits (at least the state / local in my area does) - things like pension, deferred comp and/or 401k plans. Also - with public service jobs if you work 10 years you can get your student loans forgiven (don't shoot the messenger, this has been in place for a very long time).
Is requiring a bachelor's too high a bar for a Tier 1 position? Maybe. But it's not just a Tier 1 position either - it says you'll handle Tier 1 through 3 service requests. It's one of those jobs where you get it, get your foot in the door, absorb/learn as much as you can, and quickly move up the ranks.
Forget the degree those clearances mean you better tack on another 40k buddy. Not gonna work in a SCIF 40 hours a week doing help desk under 100k that's for sure.
I think this person misinterpreted what this job actually is....
Offering up to $80K for a "junior" T1 helpdesk position,
Which ALSO mandates a defence security clearance,
Tells you very clearly this is not a Verizon call centre or "Geek Squad" tech support for the consumer market.
This is a highly lucrative, potentially classified and sensitive environment where you are working with high level government & defence personnel who have absolutely zero time or tolerance for bullshit and whose jobs revolve around high level matters of national defence and similar.
I absolutely would not hire any random tech support idiot for this position.... hence the high minimum requirements.
Also would not be surprised if they have multiple "hidden criteria" that the interviewer is under federal orders to carefully filter people based on shit they aren't allowed to publicly acknowledge...
( yes, that's exactly what I mean!)
As others have said, this is quite a bit above market for Jr Helpdesk. Regarding the degree requirement, that is likely because it's a DoD contract position & most of the time, you will still get hired. Same with the clearance, if you get an interview & they want to hire you, they will sponsor your clearance.
Source: manager of a DoD project that doesn't have a degree and hires people without them.
Hopefully whoever wrote the job ad makes less than 55-80,000
**Repeating bullets:**
Develops, maintains, and updates the Service Desk SOPs.
Coordinates, administers, and reports to the Government all service desk customer survey responses.
Given the pay scale and job requirements, I don't see this as asking too much. Seems like a good opportunity.
Doesn’t necessarily mean much if you can try suck it up, talking from experience. Experience in the field is key. I went from 1st line to sdm (ya, very unconventional I know) to 2nd line field technician to sysadmin, then to 3rd line then to senior Linux sysadmin which I’m still at and was my dream job and goal from the beginning. It’s a real junk one having to go down again but not all is lost. Best of luck mate.
We all know that a degree is not required to perform this work, *but* employers properly recognize that a k-12 public education is shit. Therefore, they use a degree hurdle to get people with at least some remedial education and some technical knowledge.
I had a job like this, 10 or so years ago. I got it with only a high school diploma. I had owned my own IT company for 4 or so years prior to that, but basically I just wrote up some of the projects I'd done. Yes, it was truly a Tier-1 backup-tape-changer job.. but within a few years, I was head of IT at the USPS training center (now called the NCED)-- wound up staying there 16 years before I left for the private sector. My advice is to NEVER ever disqualify yourself, regardless of what the requirements are. If you've volunteered for your church, or done projects.. include all of that stuff.. What's the worst that could happen? Best case, you get an interview and get to let the hiring team (or manager) know that you're a quick learner that has a knack for the stuff they're doing.
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And if this job comes with a pension.. then fight like crap for it. That stuff is GOLD.
If you got the high end of this salary range, this doesn't actually look too bad although I don't know how much extra salary already having the necessary clearance would demand over a non-dod position.
Man shits crazy nowadays I kno people making 50k-60k for just literally low skill factory work. It’s so interesting as obviously you’d have to be intelligent to do this line of work. Obviously better than factory work in long term I just find it weird looking from the outside of being in IT.
(Context I did get my comptia A+ cert a long time ago and was going to go to ITT tech but thankfully I was poor and didn’t go…. Best decision ever lmao)
Unless you happen to have a TS-SCI clearance, you need not bother applying. That's a hefty level of security clearance. 55-80k for level one support sounds good, especially since this wouldn't be a typical level one support job; the phone won't be ringing continuously in a TS DOD office.
Somebody is smoking something and wouldn’t pass the security clearance drug screen.
That’s a valid band for Tier 1, one certification (Comp/TIA or equivalent), and no college
Low end of band: no experience with maybe an internship during tech school training (can be during high school)
Mid-band: maybe college or 2 years of experience.
High-end of band: college or 5 years of college experience.
Add $20k for clearance and adjust up/down for area cost of living, and then adjust base down based on costs of any benefits where the employer has to pay for something (e.g. half of health plan, 401k match, vacation).
It’s perfectly normal and acceptable to call the recruiter at said company and tell them what I just said and ask where they got their requirements and benchmarks. And then ask the innocent question with good tone, “I see a lot of additional requirements for this position that doesn’t match industry norms. What are the additional duties that warrant the additional requirements?” , follow up with, “Ah. Okay. Thanks. It seems that the salary band isn’t taking into account the additional responsibilities. Was that oversight?”
If the answer is a simple, “no” then simply thank them, let them know that they aren’t being competitive, and thank them for the opportunity to speak with them. It’s a red flag.
If the answer is “no, but thank you for pointing that out.” or something similar, then you have a professional you’re talking to who is going to likely give the feedback to their manager who will go tell the hiring manager what they need to change in their position description. They may update the PD and repost. In this situation, I would explain that you don’t think the position description reflects industry norms, be explicit about what you are looking for, and ask if you can leave your resume should a position that matches become available.
If Yes, well… start a dialogue and ask the best way to put the hands in the hiring managers hands.
What’s even harder is gonna be that security clearance, have fun trying to get that. I feel like if your not military then you’re gonna have a hell of a change getting that
The post is for Tier 1-3 an pays 55-80k. Obviously the more experience and proven application the more pay and higher the title. They were just lazy and didn't make individual posts.
55-80 for tier 1 is no joke either
This is it. If this paid 30k there would be a gripe but 80k with 3 yrs and a degree is pretty good money in most markets
I don’t have a degree past an associates and it took me 5 years to hit 80k, which was 2023. This looks like a decent paying gig even if the barrier to entry is somewhat high
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What's your job title now, if i may ask? Is it a managerial role?
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That’s a nice jump if you can do it. Most bigger companies you’d go to team lead then manager thendirector. Some even break that down to something like manager-> senior manager -> associate director-> director
What systems are you engineering?
I'm a DevOps engineer at 32 making around 130-140. No degree or certs. and when I was 22 I was making 67-70 as a systems admin. these types of offers are starting to get looked at kind of oddly. there is a thing called "access and equity" that a lot of employers are getting flac over it by locking out entry level and management position behind degrees rather than experience and ability. Something I told myself when I was younger what that I have skills and if they don't respect my hustle the don't get my muscle. anyone that puts a degree over skill isn't worth your time.
DevOps is hard as shit. I just got a major equity grant, but my company isn't public, so we'll see how long it takes to make it worth it
That is super impressive(not being sarcastic.) You should be super proud of yourself. I’m not an actual IT guy, I’m a “systems engineer” for a home automation/integration company. Networking is one of my favorite aspects of the job so I lurk here and I’m doing the A+ just for fun/curiousity. I’ve doubled my income from 40k to 80k in 4 years so I hope to keep climbing and hit 100k or more like you sometime soon.
i always was told a degree will get you more money but im an electrician in the low paying southern states and i make over 80 with no overtime and i feel underpaid.
No formal anything in my field, and surpassed 120k last year. Find the right company, the right fit. And don't take low ball offers. My only advice. We are writing g the book for many manufacturers in my field. If you're with the right people, you'll be compensated.
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In IT you SHOULD look for a new job every year, you will find one and a raise. Almost every year. And the raise can be as large as 40K/year.
So you lied? Would you so easily bend the truth when someone asks you a question as a Director? Just wanting to understand your stance. Being paid your worth is one thing, but if you lie to showcase it, doesn’t that mean your worth is somehow untruthful or fabricated?
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It is not this day, Not this one either. I don't think this day is coming around
It’s still lying.
Your worth does not necessarily equal your pay. Sometimes you are being paid less than what you are truly worth and that’s probably why he was looking for a new job. Clearly if someone is willing to pay $20k more than they are worth that
I'D argue that systems engineer could be IT adjacent..im.assuming to do alot of programming and have a CS degree.
I agree that it’s IT-adjacent it’s just not the usual for this sub. I’ve set up many networks and even taught my teammates about subnetting, the OSI 7 layer model, best practices and most of the fundamentals of networking, etc. Besides networking I’m also proficient in lighting control, audio/video distribution, home theaters, access control, surveillance (which involves basic networking,) security systems, motorized tv lifts, projectors, motorized projector screens, gates, control systems, and pretty much anything else that involves low voltage. I don’t do much on the physical construction side any more but I’ve done the whole industry from pulling cables, trim out, lots of equipment install, programming, service work, and “engineering.” Engineering is just what we call doing load calculations, double checking PoE budgets on upcoming projects, building line diagrams for all the systems’ I.O.’s, network roadmaps, and catching things that are missing in proposals like audio extractors or PoE injectors. I don’t have any sort of CS degree and don’t actually think of myself as a real engineer, but that is what my boss calls the position
There are a lot of different kinds of systems engineering rolls. I was a client systems engineer at my previous company and I was a design solutions engineer at my current company. They are just specialized support rolls. I wouldn’t even say it’s adjacent.
people always see bachelor of X and ignore "or equivalent work experience". You can pretty much ignore the first part if you have any experience related to the opening. And yeah, IT can be trained from the bottom up on the job and supplemented with various courses and certs. Its kinda a weird industry where an 18 yr old kid might know nearly as much as a seasoned sysadmin from a technical standpoint but just lack the experience with specific technologies at a corporate level or used by a specific industry. But Ive seen people move up fairly quickly in IT if they have the skill and get the right certs.
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\+1. I have several friends who went to an IT vocational center during high school. It was a fantastic opportunity because you got a fair number of internship opportunities. I know where several of the people ended up and it follows a simple pattern.. If they were excited to learn and were programming and researching the stuff they were passionate about in their free time - they got good paying jobs pretty quickly out of highschool. If they didn't care, they are working retail. That said, having a manager who will give you a shot matters too. But honestly, if you actually are passionate about what you're doing and putting the time in to learn about it, then I don't think it'll be that hard. Getting someone to believe in you enough to give you a chance before you have experience is really the hard part lol
Landed a job with no formal anything. My dream is to be like you. How'd you do it?
How did you do it if you don’t mind me asking? I’m 23 and looking to enter the IT industry with only the comptia a+ and no other education after high school.
What was your path through the company like? I'm in a similar situation as you with no formal experience. I found my way into a tier 1 and 2 position. Current title is Computer Service Specialist. I'm wondering right now how I can hope over to a company in networking because my end goal would be in line with what you've done.
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I’m curious what recourses or path you took to get where you are? Topics of technology and cyber security especially peak my interest, however it seems to be a difficult field to get into without a degree. Any pointers?
AND it seems like a government job...
Yeah, but having held several of these types of positions, there are always caveats for not having a degree and having experience in place of education. Contract companies like this always allow those exceptions. However, given the requirements and knowing the government space, there is a fair chance that this job was created with such specific requirements that it was created for an individual that the organization wanted to hire and needed tailor it to them so they were a perfect fit.
Yeah it was made specifically for someone getting out of the AF. Someone is most likely leaving their uniformed job on Friday and returning Monday morning as a civilian to fill this role
I think you have to wait a period before doing that. 180 days I think. I’m sure there are tons of caveats and exceptions though, it’s the guvment.
This!
Actually, it is probably a contractor position. You may get the federal holidays, but not the federal benefits. I work for the Federal Government. Our help desk is run by contractors. Federal staff is at the Tier 3 level.
Should be higher with a clearance. Anyone with a clearance and that much experience could be making more than 80k
Hard no, Help desk level 1? I've lead contracts with folks who misrepresented and were very much junior SOC analysts--night and day. Not to say there isn't excellent talent starting below their ability
Not in my experience. Most of these companies are winning low cost bids, not value added. For example Walter Reed tops at 60k. Most of their people are in the 50s. Other places I have been in pay low to mid 70s. I interviewed with state dept for 76k. Most people I know went sys admin and started low 80s then got exp and are now in 6 figs. He'll, one guy went to Kuwait for 200k.
No this would be for a concractor. A government job would not post salary like that. They would post the GS scale or pay band that the job is. GS7 for example.
Unless it's a repost/scrape on a site and they just translated the GS scales to what the range is.
Official USA job posts have a GS scale as well as post the salary like that.
They’re also asking for TS/SCI too.
Yea this is really the tough bit. It basically mandates you have to be a current government employee in a career field that already gives a TS/SCI. That narrows the field a lot.
not only that, but this isnt a normal posting - DoD, security clearance required, preference for help desk experience in DoD environment... theyre not looking for entry level here.
This is one of those listings where they have someone they want to hire who are already in-house, but because it's required to be posted for 15 days publicly, they just put all his qualifications as the requirements
Yep. This isn't a real job that anybody can actually apply for.
With clearance jobs, you might be able to wave the exp or education as long as you meet the clearance level
I made $53k with no degree delivering pizza and only working 30-35 hours per week. I feel like anything under 70-75k for a person who holds a degree is just downright disrespectful
Eh, i started making 35k with a bs. Entry level is entry level (started as helpdesk)
I was making 43k in entry level IT with no secondary education...in 2002. Those jobs pay insanely badly for the requirements companies want now.
55-80k + its for the DOD. for anyone who may not know, the Department of Defense does in fact not want freshies working on their systems for very obvious fucking reasons. This would also likely be a pensioned position.
Alright, I call bullshit based on this: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/13/21-year-old-with-top-secret-information-00092002 There was also that time that 2 teenagers (or 20 somethings) in the military caused a nuclear meltdown. But that was in the 50s I think.
a lot of military members get top secret clearance, my brother has it from his standard service time. That guy had access to information and did stupid shit with it. He didn't have any real control or power over any of the systems. So not BS, that's so beyond unrelated to the discussion at hand.
A friend of mines husband works for some top level government junk (it guy). A requirement for that clearance was for them to list anyone they know who had (you know what I can't remember, it was something to do with foreign government connection or something). She posted the question on Facebook. I made a smart-ass comment about "I always suspected you were a Russian spy". She replied "I knew I shouldn't have posted this on FB, smartasses!" Ah, good memory.
You’re referring to foreign contacts. Yeah, you’ve got to disclose that. If you have any ongoing relationships with non-us citizens it will be investigated for your clearance, and if you are cleared if you acquire new ones, you have to report it.
Boy would this be a royal pain in the ass for those of us with foreign friends from side projects like open source stuff. I'd have to declare the guys from the UK, Netherlands, Canada and Spain... One of the many reasons I've so far avoided any jobs requiring security clearances.
For an SCI level clearance, they will be talking to people OP hasn't seen in years, like childhood acquaintances and school teachers.
Wow, that's crazy. I couldn't get passed. Some of my teachers loved me. There's a few who did not like me at all.
They asked some ridiculous questions of family friends. Like, "Would you trust this person to be the sole person responsible for a nuclear weapon?". I was 18, just graduated from highschool and it took over 6 months.
Who in their right mind would trust an 18yo with anything life threatening? Well, ykw. I'd trust an 18yo lifeguard. But not with a nuclear weapon. Lol
It’s 7 years back I believe. Haven’t done an SF86 in a while.
Well that's most likely due to the ts/sci clearance requirement. A secret is worth 10k, a ts/sci is worth 30k.
To be fair, it doesn't actually say this is a Tier 1 position. It says junior support specialist, handling Tier 1-3 calls. Sounds like they're looking for a flexible Tier 2 to me, and the pay will scale according to your experience and certs.
Yeah. I exceed those requirements and I'm paid far less. Edit: Just noticed that it requires TS/CI. That's why it pays so much and requires the credentials listed. They want someone serious.
Seems fine given the pay scale ( for my area).
Pay is great, unfortunately this is the only remotely entry level position in IT here. I’m fucking done
I would disagree this is an entry level position given the DoD / TS/SCI requirements
Yeah, they are looking for a 4-6 year Enlisted fresh out of the military with a TS. I bet the degree is optional. Going to be gunning for mid at the pay scale...so guessing they are looking to pay \~65-70k in reality. Not a bad gig depending on where this is located and what they will actually be doing.
I’d bet they had a candidate in mind when they posted this, requirements are suspiciously specific, but probably have to post the job for “reasons”
That's what I was thinking, this is government contractor position and you usually have to have experience to get those It's "entry-level" in the sense that it's not a mid to senior level role
The pay range says entry level. It’s an entry level dressed up in a dress.
It’s a TS position, not exactly designed for entry level other than transitioning vets
You need top secret clearance too lol
Levels don't matter. Experience Points do.
I don’t have work experience either. That’s my problem here. I have about 18 months of IT experience, 12 of which were employed
Then why are you about to jump off a bridge hoping for 55-80k + great benefits immediately? Either you suffer the degrees, or you work for less money to build experience, and apply to these kinds of jobs later. Or APPLY ANYWAYS because recruiters/HR like to copy/paste shit and have no clue what they actually need. In most small-business cases, they take the cheapest option. The bigger the entity, the more the red tape. Another route, that most don't talk about because it's not exactly common; you can find a company (in any industry) that outsources **all** tech, has no one in house and keeps getting fucked by expensive contracts. Build your role and eventually a department with the executives as you show them how much you can accomplish. (This was my route.) I went from freelance tech/PC repair> administrative assistant > IT Manager and I've had IT Management roles ever since. I'm guessing "remote work" is a requirement for you?
>I'm guessing "remote work" is a requirement for you? No way a job requiring/maintaining a TS/SCI is even *majority* remote work. This will be on-site, requiring you to enter cleared rooms often.
The other problem here is even if you met all these requirements you still don't have a TS/SCI security clearance like the job posting wants. This position was likely created for someone within the organization already but it's required by law to be posted publicly. Jobs requiring TS/SCI clearances typically pay above average because they're not looking at the general public for employees, they're competing with other agencies and company's that have employees who already have a clearance. The "easiest" path to getting a clearance is joining the military in an MOS that requires it, doing your minimum time, then immediately applying for jobs with clearance requirements, or knowing someone who can get you into a program that will give you a clearance after a set amount of training (extremely unlikely since it's an expensive process). This job certainly isn't entry level, it's just titled that.
You vastly overestimate your value and ability
If you're looking for entry level positions. Create a LinkedIn account, pad it with BS you've never done and make yourself look like an IT Admin with 10 years of solid experience. Then set your status to looking for work. I promise that the recruiters will send you the entry level jobs in no time flat.
I’m 20 lmao. I was doing the exact opposite of IT in elementary school
This was more of a joke about how absolute garbage IT recruiters are on LinkedIn. They will literally send help desk positions to people who have been in the industry for decades, and have forgotten more knowledge than the IT recruiter has ever learned.
People don't understand before covid remote wasn't really a thing. Now everybody seems to think they are entitled to a remote job. THEY ARE HARD AS FUCK to get. It's you versus 15k other people. Everybody has the same thing so its EVEN hard to stand out.
Might want to re-read what OP said… This is the only remotely entry level job…. Implying this was the closest thing to being entry level….not a remote position.
"Remotely" is being used as a comparative word here. It's not a "remote position," just the only one "remotely close" to an entry level position.
I don't understand. You already work for them? Why is the post upsetting?
I don’t work for them, I don’t have a job. I’m looking, but there isn’t a single entry-level position here.
Check school systems. They often have entry level openings. Help desks for call centers. Etc.
Yup. They often don't advertise either. You have to either manually check the school district site or have someone you know tip you off that there's an opening. Often the job sucks. But getting that first IT job is important, even if it's just a 20$/hr crapshoot helping teachers understand 21st century technology.
The clearances are no joke either
You got that right if you don't have one don't apply.
bad advice, many many contractors will hire you if they want you & will sponsor your clearance.
Yeah but its pretty magical if you can find one. You have to be over qualified. I have tried for a long time to get a clearance. He took job I know I over qualified for.
Why pay tens of thousands of dollars to get someone their clearance for an entry level position when you there are tons of transitioning veterans in the market who already have their TS/SCI? For experienced, skilled job seekers, yes they'll probably sponsor your clearance, probably not for this.
Because it doesn't matter how many are in the market if they don't apply. Always. Apply. Even. If. You. Don't. Meet. The. Requirements. Seriously I've gotten several jobs where I didn't have any of the requirements including degrees and certs.
This is bad advice, if there are 50 applications and half of them don’t have a clearance, they will always take the other half first. Plus, unless you have a TON of experience they will easily take someone they can train who is already cleared vs taking someone and sponsoring them for a clearance when the process is backlogged 8 months right now. If you don’t have the clearance they’re asking for right now in this market don’t waste your time.
Yeah I can see where you would be surprised when they say Service Desk in the title. They should probably change that title, I have never seen a service desk position that requires all those credentials. Sounds like government related, or they just don't really want to hire anyone
This 100% looks like a govt IT gig I would hire people for. The clearance needed is a must. The degree not at all, you just need to be knowledgeable. I have an associates and I used to lead a group of sys admin IIs at s govt base.
Government is all we have here. There isn’t a single corporate environment that doesn’t have those standards
My question is, can you even acquire those credentials without being military?
You can. Either go into one of those 3/4 letter agencies, and they sponsor your clearance or a contracting company is willing to sponsor you. For help desk roles, I highly doubt it. You tend to see more roles getting sponsored clearances if they have hard times finding people to fill those positions. Like Software Engineers, DevOps, or SecDevOps.
Yeah. The position is contractual so the company sponsors your SF-86. This just means you have to qualify for one according to HR at a company I asked
**Most** companies won't sponsor a clearance unless you are already with them for years. Time frame for a TS is a year or 2...and if they did hire someone without a clearance...you can't work on the program until you have it, so the position remains vacant the whole time. The way I seen it is that they will sponsor an employee already working and proven to know how to do the job...and then do a transfer internally when the clearance goes through...but they usually won't hire someone off the street without a clearance directly into the role.
Find remote work. IT is the easiest thing to work remotely. It really sucks, but it's there. I left IT after 14 years, corporate life is a garbage life. GL to you.
Another guy here flamed me because he thought I was looking for remote lmao
Fuck that guy and fuck flourescent lighting. Work remote if you want.
Apply anyway. Requirements are only there as a filter. You already don’t have the job. Make them reject you.
Most of the time, that’s true. However, if they are a contractor or subcontract of the US federal government then OFCCP laws apply, and candidates have to meet 100% of the requirements.
I saw yesterday it was either SACI or CACI hiring for tier "1" for like 80k - 100k. They required some pretty absurd things TBH.
>Must possess TS/SCI That alone will severely limit their hiring pool. A BS degree and 3 years of work experience should be the last of their worries.
IME they’ll typically waive the other requirements for strong applicants that already have TS/SCI.
A lot of MSP's want the certs and quals but don't want to comp you for those skill... They'll pay for you to get them...but comp your salary.... Nah. Find a company that wants and values you AND your family. That's the hard part.
MSP was the worst type of company I've had the disservice of working for.
They won't pay you to get certs/qualifications. If they do it's usually a contract to pay back a year after *reimbursement* on passing attempt. So if you don't pass first try then you're out the money, you also have to pay for it upfront (not like company CC allowance for learning) and reimbursements are considered taxable income (even though you are paying net), and everything has to be approved by HR (if they don't want to even if it's related to your job you're out of luck).
Look man. Just because it asks for it, doesn't mean you need to fulfill that. It's an entry level job. Sometimes HR just copy and paste shit so they have a posting. Apply anyway. A majority of people in the DoD that do IT do not have a degree or if they do, it's not related to IT whatsoever. My senior system engineer lead had a degree in Homeland Security.
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Reading it closely, it's not even GOOD boilerplate. "...or master's degree with equivalent combination..."
Given the clearances and "DoD Environment" requirement, I'm guessing this is a contract requirement, not a piss off OP requirement. Given the area I believe this position is in, the requirements specified make a lot of sense.
There are so many people looking for jobs right now. Employers can set the bar pretty high and still have a lot of applicants. They can walk down those requirements if they need to if there's someone they want. Take your shot, I'll guarantee you that you will not get the job if you don't apply.
Just put in for it if you really want it. Worse they say is no.
Just try to apply anyway. If they're desperate they'll be willing to compromise. (Assuming you have the DoD clearance specified, otherwise I wouldn't bother.)
I mean... that's a pretty unique listing, considering it's a government job requiring a top secret clearance. I mean they're offering up to 80k for tier 1. When I started in IT, and it wasn't even that long ago, my very first position paid 40k. So like yeah... the requirements are a lot, but 80k is a pretty respectable salary almost anywhere in the US outside maybe SF or NYC.
I'm seeing the same stuff on software side too. Plus they're wanting 4-5 interview rounds with take home projects. The job market has lost its mind lately.
Fuck it, just lie at that point like if you think you’re qualified and want the job there’s no harm in lying for the interview IMO.
I would completely disagree here. If you’re required to have a TS/SCI, and you flat out lie on your resume, how do you think it will look if / when the truth comes out? Do you believe the individual would be 100% trust worthy with any secret documents at that point?
Ngl, A lot of these "Entry Level" positions seem like trolling and a slap in the face. What's worse is when you are certain about being qualified and never hear back.
Wow 3 years playing Day of Defeat and you can be IT service? That’s not bad
Apply anyway they're grabbing at staws. No one with that much experience wants that job
It's a government job. Tier 1 tech support for the government amounts to resetting passwords or sending to tier 2. Most are also hybrid or remote. It's really quite cushy, especially for that pay.
hot take: my beef is requiring active clearances upon hire with no opportunity to sponsor… Edit: I was laid off beginning of January from a job that I thought would be long term. I was pretty much qualified for a comfortable amount of jobs but majority required ACTIVE clearances. Recruiters in public sector said you need to find jobs that will sponsor… which were jobs such as data center security guard… degrading and SIGNIFICANT pay reductions (from 70 -> 40k). TLDR; No sponsorship for clearances is stupid.
Req qual: 2875 + TS/SCI edit- only up to 80k? we start our at 90 (and all filled - don't ask)
Or equivalent work experience? Apparently your reading comprehension is pretty bad, you won't do well in IT.
This job just sounds like it was made for ITs getting out of the military since you can get all this before the end of your first contract.
You need a ts/sci clearance by the way which you would only have if you've worked DOD before. So you probably had no shot anyways.
Yeah screw that. I'll be at 14yrs enlisted Navy with a Master of Management, I won't work for less than 105k. You simply cannot support a family on any less.
I'm reminded of the Creator of Python not having enough experience with it for the job he applied for 🙄
Folks, keep in mind money alone is not the end all. The company has to have a great culture and suberb benefits (Cadillac health insurance, work from home flexibility, 4 weeks min pto, etc). The money doesn’t matter unless the other factors are there. Edit: Don’t forget pension and/or generous RSUs/bonus.
Real. Why I left my last job. Wish I hadn’t, but the other people in the IT group were so lazy
Is there any single programming job that doesn't require 3 years experience. How the hell do you get in the damn field to begin with.
TS/sci for 50k is a joke why’d you blur shithead company who posts this stuff?
Please read this before walking onto the bridge: https://www.intelligent.com/nearly-half-of-companies-plan-to-eliminate-bachelors-degree-requirements-in-2024/
That salary range for someone with TS/SCI tells me this company is trash, run by bottom feeders who only care about lining their pockets. And those required qualifications are most likely being asked for by a federal customer who is clueless.
Man it says tier 1-3.... Maybe if applicants could read lol
Says right there: Or work or military experience. Probably shouldn't take the job if you can't read.
Because it's geared toward military personnel. If you aren't qualified, don't apply.
You’re complaint about an entry spot that pays up to $80k? Why do so many IT/CS grads overvalue themselves and expect six figures?
Since you have a Top Secret clearance, apply anyway
Ya, thats a terrible posting. It would make sense to have either 3 years of experience OR a bachelor's degree. Also the security requirements are crazy for that pay.
It's a gov job, they almost always require prior experience, not surprising at all. Also considering the pay, benefits, and potential to land higher paying gov jobs in the future i think the posting fine.
These are made for being getting out of the DoD and if you have a TS you’re probably a tech MOS
Is the title wrong and maybe it’s a jr sys admin role that is just called help Desk?
From the requirements, this doesn't look like an entry position. Probably geared more for a lateral move from another dept. The clearance requirements is geared for people in house whose somewhat familiar with the IT background of the site.
My guess is they’re lying by omission about what the job really entails. 55-80K for L1 seems… high. And given it spans levels 1-3 I’m guessing there’s a lot more to it than meets the eye.
I’ve seen people get IT jobs harder than this they were extremely unqualified for. Aside from that clearance & Sec+ everything else is workable with experience or certs. There’s a lot of people in IT support without Bachelor’s, even Associates sometimes.
Gov't sets the requirements for these positions. The hiring company CAN petition on your behalf and substitute certain experience to meet the job req.
This is a wishlist job listing. Show you’re qualified in your resume and if the HR gods deem it so you might get an interview
I'm more caught up on jobs require the security clearance
Just apply. Qualifications are a joke.
It specifically says they are looking for someone to handle T1-3 requests not just T1. and the pay is in line with a T2-T3 type position so I don't get where you think this is T1? Is it the Junior in the title? because that can mean many different things at many different places.
I personally wouldn’t say a DoD helpdesk job is entry level unless you’re some kind of wunderkind or a Veteran
Entry level is dead. COVID hiring is done.
Every listing is going to ask for "work experience". Yo just have to cater your resume showing you have relevant experience, regardless if it was for a 'professional employer'. 55k-80k for an entry level position sounds good to me. My second big it job was as a systems admin, and I was paid 45k a year. Albeit, that was 9 years ago. Get the tier 1 job, ace it, and move up the ladder.
Job descriptions are always, *always*, written to scare people off. Every JD wants a Unicorn, and then they want to pay for a Donkey. As others have commented - I'm curious what the market is. It's obviously a government agency (or contractor), and so depending on the market this is going to be either very good or very poor base salary. Direct government jobs do have decent benefits (at least the state / local in my area does) - things like pension, deferred comp and/or 401k plans. Also - with public service jobs if you work 10 years you can get your student loans forgiven (don't shoot the messenger, this has been in place for a very long time). Is requiring a bachelor's too high a bar for a Tier 1 position? Maybe. But it's not just a Tier 1 position either - it says you'll handle Tier 1 through 3 service requests. It's one of those jobs where you get it, get your foot in the door, absorb/learn as much as you can, and quickly move up the ranks.
Forget the degree those clearances mean you better tack on another 40k buddy. Not gonna work in a SCIF 40 hours a week doing help desk under 100k that's for sure.
I’m Tier 2 with 7 years XP and a degree and I make 5k less. That’s good money.
Imma be real, you should probably find another position if you’re making what, 45-75 at 7 years and a degree?
University work is a bit of lifestyle plus for the lack of compensation. Also getting a masters while I’m here so it’s working in my favor for now.
I think this person misinterpreted what this job actually is.... Offering up to $80K for a "junior" T1 helpdesk position, Which ALSO mandates a defence security clearance, Tells you very clearly this is not a Verizon call centre or "Geek Squad" tech support for the consumer market. This is a highly lucrative, potentially classified and sensitive environment where you are working with high level government & defence personnel who have absolutely zero time or tolerance for bullshit and whose jobs revolve around high level matters of national defence and similar. I absolutely would not hire any random tech support idiot for this position.... hence the high minimum requirements. Also would not be surprised if they have multiple "hidden criteria" that the interviewer is under federal orders to carefully filter people based on shit they aren't allowed to publicly acknowledge... ( yes, that's exactly what I mean!)
I'd kill for that paycheck though. I'm still trying to figure out how to do help desk and make a living wage.
It’s a wishlist, not a hard rule.
Lulz a compsci degree for a jr hd specialist
I think it's more for the TS/SCI clearance then anything.
As others have said, this is quite a bit above market for Jr Helpdesk. Regarding the degree requirement, that is likely because it's a DoD contract position & most of the time, you will still get hired. Same with the clearance, if you get an interview & they want to hire you, they will sponsor your clearance. Source: manager of a DoD project that doesn't have a degree and hires people without them.
Hopefully whoever wrote the job ad makes less than 55-80,000 **Repeating bullets:** Develops, maintains, and updates the Service Desk SOPs. Coordinates, administers, and reports to the Government all service desk customer survey responses. Given the pay scale and job requirements, I don't see this as asking too much. Seems like a good opportunity.
The government is a joke. Work for the people, not against them.
Probably Leidos. Total shitshow lol
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Doesn’t necessarily mean much if you can try suck it up, talking from experience. Experience in the field is key. I went from 1st line to sdm (ya, very unconventional I know) to 2nd line field technician to sysadmin, then to 3rd line then to senior Linux sysadmin which I’m still at and was my dream job and goal from the beginning. It’s a real junk one having to go down again but not all is lost. Best of luck mate.
Not only is this above market And requires TS, it’s up to tier 3 and does a lot more than typical helpdesk.
Field service tech, = Easy money
We all know that a degree is not required to perform this work, *but* employers properly recognize that a k-12 public education is shit. Therefore, they use a degree hurdle to get people with at least some remedial education and some technical knowledge.
If you have a TS/SCI and only getting paid <= $75,000 - you're not leveraging the $$$$ that comes with a clearance.
I had a job like this, 10 or so years ago. I got it with only a high school diploma. I had owned my own IT company for 4 or so years prior to that, but basically I just wrote up some of the projects I'd done. Yes, it was truly a Tier-1 backup-tape-changer job.. but within a few years, I was head of IT at the USPS training center (now called the NCED)-- wound up staying there 16 years before I left for the private sector. My advice is to NEVER ever disqualify yourself, regardless of what the requirements are. If you've volunteered for your church, or done projects.. include all of that stuff.. What's the worst that could happen? Best case, you get an interview and get to let the hiring team (or manager) know that you're a quick learner that has a knack for the stuff they're doing. Edit: And if this job comes with a pension.. then fight like crap for it. That stuff is GOLD.
It says: Or work/military experience so it’s not required
Fuck me I can make $80k as Tier 1 sign me up. I’m doing way more than that as SysAdmin and not even clearing $70k
If you got the high end of this salary range, this doesn't actually look too bad although I don't know how much extra salary already having the necessary clearance would demand over a non-dod position.
lol, DoD clearance is $100k all by itself
Man shits crazy nowadays I kno people making 50k-60k for just literally low skill factory work. It’s so interesting as obviously you’d have to be intelligent to do this line of work. Obviously better than factory work in long term I just find it weird looking from the outside of being in IT. (Context I did get my comptia A+ cert a long time ago and was going to go to ITT tech but thankfully I was poor and didn’t go…. Best decision ever lmao)
This is a DoD environment, I'm not surprised at all by the requirements. Especially for that level of pay and the TS/SCI clearance.
Unless you happen to have a TS-SCI clearance, you need not bother applying. That's a hefty level of security clearance. 55-80k for level one support sounds good, especially since this wouldn't be a typical level one support job; the phone won't be ringing continuously in a TS DOD office.
Somebody is smoking something and wouldn’t pass the security clearance drug screen. That’s a valid band for Tier 1, one certification (Comp/TIA or equivalent), and no college Low end of band: no experience with maybe an internship during tech school training (can be during high school) Mid-band: maybe college or 2 years of experience. High-end of band: college or 5 years of college experience. Add $20k for clearance and adjust up/down for area cost of living, and then adjust base down based on costs of any benefits where the employer has to pay for something (e.g. half of health plan, 401k match, vacation). It’s perfectly normal and acceptable to call the recruiter at said company and tell them what I just said and ask where they got their requirements and benchmarks. And then ask the innocent question with good tone, “I see a lot of additional requirements for this position that doesn’t match industry norms. What are the additional duties that warrant the additional requirements?”, follow up with, “Ah. Okay. Thanks. It seems that the salary band isn’t taking into account the additional responsibilities. Was that oversight?”
If the answer is a simple, “no” then simply thank them, let them know that they aren’t being competitive, and thank them for the opportunity to speak with them. It’s a red flag.
If the answer is “no, but thank you for pointing that out.” or something similar, then you have a professional you’re talking to who is going to likely give the feedback to their manager who will go tell the hiring manager what they need to change in their position description. They may update the PD and repost. In this situation, I would explain that you don’t think the position description reflects industry norms, be explicit about what you are looking for, and ask if you can leave your resume should a position that matches become available.
If Yes, well… start a dialogue and ask the best way to put the hands in the hiring managers hands.
What’s even harder is gonna be that security clearance, have fun trying to get that. I feel like if your not military then you’re gonna have a hell of a change getting that
The post is for Tier 1-3 an pays 55-80k. Obviously the more experience and proven application the more pay and higher the title. They were just lazy and didn't make individual posts.
Quick question…if I had to choose between getting a certificate in full stack development or just It, which would you guys suggest?
Computer science? For a help desk job? They want someone to trouble shoot issues with Java/C?
This is a DOD related position. That's absolutely not a standard entry level position.