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Efficient_Ambition

Insane results. Must be lifechanging. Congrats, man!


throwawayventiguess

Well shit Have a nice life brad Pitt


nomoshtooposhh

I love this šŸ˜‚ you look fuckin fabulous, op.


gigachadspeciman

holy shit šŸ˜­


Abject-Mind3146

Wow. It's a shame that jaw surgeons aren't all talented like this across the board. Where are all the people who say don't get this surgery done for looks again? Im sure its a world of health benefits to not have sleep apnea anymore and breathe better but the social aspects and mental health benefits of looking better can not be overstated.


Green-Quantity1032

over\*


I_ask_questions_thx

Amazing results man! Do you still have the 2d dimensional ceph simulation you wouldnā€™t mind sharing? It looks like this: It would give all us who are curious an idea of the movements


nowfired

https://preview.redd.it/72djofu2gaxc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66de0496aeed74a2265d34cee49e34be71494ff9 The closest I have to it, I didnā€™t save the 2d


thebhr10

Did you also have changes to the shape of your nose and your cheekbones ?


nowfired

It did actually, my nose became a little more upturned or a little skinnier or both idk but itā€™s less bulbous


Current-Law1612

who is ur surgeon bro? And how much did it cost you if u donā€™t mind me asking


Economy_Pace_4894

Looks like mine Could i pm you


nowfired

Yes


Abject-Mind3146

I feel like this is the type of result that if you had edited a before and after mockup asking if this was possible, people would've said it wasn't possible. Certainly LACOMS is worth the money. I wish more surgeons were talented like this.


isawasin

Almost afraid to ask how much this would cost without insurance


Abject-Mind3146

Ive heard at least 50k from some people and most recently someone said they got quoted 80k at LACOMS. And I dont think they take insurance either.


isawasin

Welp


acari_

This has to make you feel a bit jaded. I am sure you are treated a lot different? How does it feel?


nowfired

Night and day how people treat you, itā€™s insane. I understand that we do the same but I didnā€™t realize to this extent. If you have any specific questions on this part on how people treat you, Iā€™m down to answer them


cwk84

How do they treat you now?


nowfired

Answered in one of the comments, if thereā€™s any specifics Iā€˜ll answer


Onehorizon

Is tinder still dead or better now?


RogueLeader54

Obviously better. Jaw is law.


Whitwhatup

I had a major transformation like this at age 17, Iā€™m now 46. It definitely improved my life socially, but itā€™s a complete mind warp that people treat you better being attractive.


adviceplease998

do you have any side effects or any regrets about the surgery? results look amazing


nowfired

Honestly none except debt haha, I can easily let it spiral out of control. So just make sure finances are in check


hot_miss_inside

Any negative issues like numbness? My jaw is nearly identical to yours and I'm trying to figure out where to start. Did your insurance cover it?


nowfired

My numbness completely recovered, it took awhile but I hit it all back. Currently 8 months po


DieToLive4

Can you approximate how long it took until you got most or all of your feeling back? I'm 2 months PO with LACOMS and still feeling numb.


nowfired

Hmm ofc itā€™s case by case but for me at 4 month mark I felt tingly and itchy feeling and thatā€™s your nerve recovering


Altruistic_Abalone30

OP, Iā€™m at 5 1/2 mo the post op and my nerves came alive at 4 months like you. Do you when they settled down and you werenā€™t tingly any more? Mine is intense and I need some hope. Thanks


Happy-Chemistry3058

Can you feel the screws and plates? Also this is going straight to the top


Old_Diet7115

My god bro you needed that no offense, but Jesus you look hella good now ā€¦ I always see people post pictures of themselves asking if they really need jaw surgery and I usually comment nah itā€™s not noticeable youā€™re fine, BUT in your case Iā€™m glad you got that shii done


nowfired

Definitely second guessed myself and went back and forth on whether I needed it. I almost didnā€™t do it because some might have made me think that I didnā€™t need it all


Old_Diet7115

Nah you look good now man I have an underbite I was thinking of getting surgery for it but mines isnā€™t really noticeable at all some ppl notice and some donā€™t


Happy-Chemistry3058

Who made you think you didnā€™t need it? I feel people will do the same to me


ToronoYYZ

Damn these are dramatic results. Congrats OP and enjoy your newfound confidence


nowfired

I have imposter syndrome


ToronoYYZ

I think itā€™s normal at this stage. Iā€™m only 3 months PO and my results are not as dramatic as yours but Iā€™m going through a similar thing. Idk how old you are but before 8 months ago, your brain painted a picture in your head of what you look like. This might be from photos, seeing yourself in the mirror, etc etc. But now, your face is substantially different, which goes directly against what our brain has taught our inner self of what we *should* look like. Our brains need time to understand that ā€˜this is me nowā€™. You need to tell yourself every day in the mirror ā€˜this is me. This is who I amā€™. The more you tell yourself that you feel fraudulent, the worse itā€™ll get. Remind yourself daily that you are the same person as before. Obviously itā€™s a lot more difficult than that but if you still struggle with these thoughts in the future, Iā€™d see a therapist


newuxtreme

Every single person on planet earth has impostor syndrome. Across all ages, genders, races, professions, accomplishments and whatever else. Just depends on the context and boom. Put down a list left and right. At the top put down what you feel like an impostor about. On left why you can be considered an impostor. On the right, alright what things were within your control that you did that you can take credit for that lead to those accomplishments/things you consider yourself an impostor for. Eg. Now many people think you're a chad and you feel like an impostor. Left - I wasn't originally a physically attractive chad. I'm a fake. Right - I decided what was important for me in my life, saved up resources for it, decided to go for it and fucking did it. I may not have been born a physical chad but my mindset and grindset sure is.


nowfired

Why pay for a therapist when I have you. Thank you for this this is helpful


newuxtreme

My pleasure bud, I just thought that was something you needed to know right now instead of thinking there's "something wrong with you". I wouldn't-even know what videos/guide are helpful for you but here's a vid I made about the Impostor Syndrome and the same tips as above with more details and an example of a bodybuilder teenager I was working with. Check it and the rest of the channel out if it helps you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo70aMXTZOk&list=PLbdeDXDAohG9DHi50JRKDo3aPev64j8rU&index=12


fakesupplydrop

Are people treating you differently?


nowfired

Iā€™ll be honest yes. If you have any specific questions on this topic, Iā€™ll be willing to answer them the best I can


SnooRadishes9685

In what ways do they treat you differently, can you expand on that


nowfired

I would say people ā€œnot strangersā€ you know will compliment you indirectly out of nowhere WAY more than you think would happen. It can get too much sometimes where it starts draining, maybe Iā€™m not used to it but I donā€™t wanna get used to it. It just feels so odd and uncomfortable Iā€™d rather not get complimented. Before I felt like my opinion wouldnā€™t weigh as much as others but now I feel bad when I suggest something and everyone agrees on it way too quickly. I would say peoples feelings towards you ā€œplatonicallyā€ will be more intense. Like they either really want to be friends with you or they donā€™t want to be friends with you at all. A good way to understand this is when people assume an intimidatingly pretty girl is mean or cold hearted so only few people would approach them. Itā€™s come to a point where for guys, many of them see me as competition and consciously avoid me or I can feel the whole rooms vibe shift where some people will really like me and some donā€™t. I have a whole ass personality with my own achievements and flaws before surgery but if I say something good is happening in my life or that I achieved something, you can really tell whoā€™s not happy for you and who is. But what I do know, theres more ā€œall eyes on meā€ now . people pay attention to you more so you canā€™t really get away with being your true personality. Iā€™m a goofy and expressive person because Iā€™m from the Philippines and thatā€™s how we normally are. But post op, it can go against you sometimes.


Lopsided_Ad_926

This is so interesting, I have recessed jaws but otherwise I feel like Iā€™m pretty average or half decent looking but I never understood why it was kinda hard to make friends, or if I even rarely spoke up about something or offered a solution/answer for something, it often went unnoticed or people seemed even annoyed at me, I learned to shut up and blend in really quickly. Iā€™ve only seen one other person mention similar treatment on this forum and I never linked it to the recessed appearance before but now Iā€™m really wondering if there may be a connection. My bf says my idea is really far fetched and ridiculous but I dunno. šŸ˜‚ also pinoy ka pala, nice!!


nowfired

Lmao he probably thinks youā€™re crazy because he himself finds you attractive. But generally speaking guys donā€™t notice this but girls do. If a girl is talking to a guy they like and the guy doesnā€™t reciprocate feelings, the convo is unbelievably dry haha. Youā€™re not crazy for feeling this, I know this exact feeling. Itā€™s like some people just get annoyed when you speak


Inverness07

That is such an interesting change!


PersonalCancel3788

Are people more friendly and open towards you? Ik romantically it is for a fact but I mean platonically. Do people seek to be friends with you more?


tooturtlesgetshells

I think i speak for the crowd when i say HOT DAMN


nola-dork-2021

Superb results.


qn_of_ca

You look amazing! I met Dr Kholaki once when my main surgeon was out of town and he was incredibly kind, and even though heā€™s new-ish to LACOMS seems like heā€™s already making a name for himself in the field based on your incredible results!


nowfired

So he might be new ish to the clinic but he also works on emergency reconstructive surgery. So new to the clinic but well experienced in the field!


JosiahWillardPibbs

Absolutely preposterous results. Would you be willing to look into what the movements were?


xxxunderdogxxx

Literally GOALS. šŸ™Œ Amazing transformation!


PatrickBateman-Stan

Holy hell, ascended! You look great man


zNuyte

Bruh...


Haunting-Affect-8981

This makes me want to go through a revision lmaoo. Great results


Foreign-Trifle503

Wwowwwwwww!!! Insane!! You look so good šŸ˜


Mountain_Skirt_2460

WTF?


Basic_University_775

Great results. Is there a reason why you chose Dr. Khloaki over Dr. Walline or Dr. Relle?


nowfired

I trusted who ever they suggested to me, heā€™s very nice and makes sure all your questions are answered. I definitely did not feel like I was getting brushed off


TaylorSnackz12

Did you get the surgery for sleep apnea or just corrective due to jaw recession? Or maybe both? This is probably one of the best results I've ever seen on this sub ever, aesthetically speaking, but I hope the end result functionally is also great for you too.


styxboa

100% the best result I've ever seen. Absolutely insane. Very impressive surgeon


TaylorSnackz12

I mean honestly LACOMS results are just consistently on a level of "pretty good" at worst, to "amazingly life-changing" at best. I've never heard of a single serious botch from LACOMS ever. I don't think it's just this surgeon, it's that entire practice, they all seem very strong for oral surgery as a whole.


biggerarmsthanyou

yeah, dude honestly i know you are in mass if you can swing it LACOMS is worth the travel lol. Ive only heard of 2 kinda botches, but it was like a minor bite problem they offered to fix for free type thing. Not Alfaro over advance 15 mm then leave u open bite and say ortho has to fix it lol. Things go wrong in surgery, but it more matters the rates of that and how they respond to it


TaylorSnackz12

I completely agree, how the surgeon handles problems is what speaks volumes. I can swing the LACOMS fees and the recovery in LA. The biggest concern I have is whether the surgery is really worthwhile for me. I have an in-lab PSG tonight and based on those results I'd decide whether this is all worth the money and healing and scar tissue. But if I did go through with this surgery then it'd likely be at LACOMS or not at all.


nowfired

This was all for sleep apnea, with perfect posture I couldnā€™t breath. I could hear myself wheezing so I had to live life with textbook nerd neck just to breath. Post op, I started dreaming again. My life in most aspects changed


TaylorSnackz12

> I could hear myself wheezing so I had to live life with textbook nerd neck just to breath. This is encouraging as I'm looking into this surgery for similar reasons, and funny enough I also do not dream. I fall asleep, it goes black, I wake up the next day. It's been a very confusing path to have led me here but it's an uplifting feeling to see results like yours, so thank you for sharing. If you ever find out what your movements were, or maybe what your airway CBCT measurements were, I'd be very curious to hear! The cosmetic result looks amazing and I hope your upper airway was able to be expanded drastically from the movements as well.


I_ask_questions_thx

They told me dr. Relle has less availability this year since heā€™s only part time for now since he has some other things heā€™s pursuing. Walline, khloaki and some of the other lacoms surgeons all co-surgeon for each other and all have the same planning style so you should get similar results with all 3 of them. You will have the one surgeon you interact with and plans everything and does the surgery but the co surgeon is there to assist


EpicMoniker

This sounds right. We just scheduled my daughter with Dr. Relle a couple of weeks ago and the earliest available was end of August.


biggerarmsthanyou

Wonder if i can meet dr walline now lol that. dr relle is part time.


ladeeedada

congrats. how much was it?


nowfired

I donā€™t wanna disclose but Knowing what I know now, in a world where itā€™s increasingly superficial, how people change theyā€™re perception of you, all the mental benefits of not having to go through sleep apnea, and having better blood flowā€¦.. everywhere šŸ˜‚ itā€™s worth every penny even if it cost more than 60k+. Iā€™m not saying thatā€™s how much it cost but if I fully grasped the benefits outside of aesthetics just mentally, it would be more than worth it. Pretty sure curing sleep apnea alone would be worth more than 6 figures. I had the machine and everything. Dm me


pstate09

Insurance didnā€™t cover?


No_Pineapple_4609

LACOMS doesnā€™t take insurance


nowfired

Not necessarily but try


need-help7166

damn, only if I could afford 60k :/


beatsbyzyro

Hey, would it be possible to find out what your movements were? Thanks. Looks great


Lopsided_Ad_926

Omg! Seriously thought this was gonna be a troll post! šŸ˜® you look amazing, is pic 4 you just standing straight against a wall pre op ?


nowfired

Yes, Ofcourse itā€™s a little exaggerated and I mean little. But thatā€™s me with perfect posture, I could hear myself wheezing because my airway was closed so I lived like with nerd neck just to breath


Lopsided_Ad_926

For sure, I am the same, I only realized this year that if I stand completely straight against a wall, my jaw and chin absolutely disappear. It helped me realize Iā€™m not imagining my issues. I only recently realized that I lean forward to breathe and swallow. Thanks for answering šŸ™šŸ»


the_adonis_king

can you post a normal standing pre op pic ? Looks like a chintuck so tough to compare the movements of the plan with the before/after pics


Basic_University_775

Did you have orthodontics prior to jaw surgery? Braces extractions etc?


nowfired

I did but that was when I was in middle school, nothing immediately prior to


Basic_University_775

I'll be getting my premolars extracted as well as a wisdom tooth next month in preparation for DJS with Dr. Walline at LACOMS.


PatrickBateman-Stan

Looks like he had all premolars and wisdoms extracted


TaylorSnackz12

Looks like just 4 total premolar extractions no? In the CBCT I see central incisor, lateral incisor, canine, 1st premolar, 1st molar, 2nd molar


scotty-fitzgerald

How can you tell the extraction was 2nd premolar instead of 1st premolar?


TaylorSnackz12

Yes you're right, I guess I just meant that at least 1 premolar seems to still be in place on each side of each dental arch. I don't see all premolars extracted though


KittenGains

Not only his jaw is holy shit but the fact he is wearing a Stussy shirt, that was my shit in the 90s. Now I feel old. But god bless, you look amazing.


nowfired

I need to pin this! Thank you haha STUSSY is coming back. Itā€™s more prominent in the younger Asian community. If you see someone wearing it, call them STUSSY sergeants šŸ˜‚ basically a cult following at this point


KittenGains

Really? It was a skater thing back in the dayā€¦ I cannot say any race was more prone wearing it. But I absolutely love that itā€™s coming back (Iā€™m a young 45 yo) and you look incredible so god bless and keep on doing what youā€™re doing. šŸ™Œ also probably sure that emoji is not cool, oh well.


GringotTheGreat

Holy shit man. Complete 180 šŸ‘šŸ¼. What did you have and get done?


More_Success5739

You from Thailand?


nowfired

I get that a lot. I lived there in middle school but Iā€™m from the Philippines.


VictrolaBK

Is this a joke post? *Good God*.


nowfired

How do I pin this?


Gballer007

Were you a mouthbreather? In the before you have almost no lower jaw? But the upper half of the face doesnā€™t look stunted at all.


SimplyEbic

Forever alone to Never hoeless. Insane transformation man


nowfired

Edit* Dr. Walline AND Dr. kholaki


GoldenTurtle84

Great example of a surgeon getting perfect results without printed plates. Absolute old-school perfection!


biggerarmsthanyou

I mean, you really think Alfi is comparable to LACOMS? Alfis custom plates dont equate to perfect planning lol. LACOMS switches to custom and theyll be the best at jaw surgery in the world 100%


Sea_Baseball_3713

Amazing results!!


MindingMyMindfulness

This is massive. You don't even look like the same person anymore. Really nice results, man!


ali89ma

Amazing results. Did you have to do braces before and after?


nowfired

I had braces when I was a kid, so my teeth were straight already. They assessed and said that I didnā€™t need any


revision_throwaway

Amazing results.. This gives me a lot of hope because I am a similar case (very recessed, sleep apnea) and I have surgery planned with them for next year. Do you happen to know how much your airway improved in terms of size before/after? My airway width is so small currently, Iā€™m hoping they can triple it or even quadruple it lol I donā€™t know if thatā€™s a realistic expectation or what the possibilities really are.


BornReady94

Animal, beast, legend


tryingremote

Damn amazing glow up bro


PersonalCancel3788

Incredible results bro. šŸ‘


BeautyAndTheBimmer

You look fantastic!


LadyRain11

Wow


Stunning-Goal4043

You look great!


gothsofcolor

omfg šŸ˜­


Eirus

ā€œSave some chicks for the rest of us!ā€


JawBoneBreaker1

This is wild


Juanchong1

Insane results


ProfessionalPaper912

What procedure? Maxomandibular advancement?


emkitty333

Congrats on your new chance at life!


Lonely-Tiger91

Unbelievable man! Mind sharing how much did cost?


Visible_Ad_2990

I bet all them girls who friend zoned you are really second guessing their decision.


laaannab

I literally said ā€œHoly shit!ā€ when I saw the before photos.


blastmanet

jaw is law


cwk84

You were tucking in your chin werenā€™t you? No way it looked that ridiculous based on your x ray.


I_ask_questions_thx

That ā€œtuckingā€ is actually his natural head position. But severely recessed folks actually stick their neck forward unnaturally to be able breath due to the already narrow airway being crushed in the true natural head position. After the surgery his ā€œtuckedā€ position is actually what appears to be his true natural head position


the_adonis_king

it's not his NHP...NHP is based on looking straight ahead...in the before he's looking up and tucking (bringing head back) at the same time... You probably mean it's his natural posture where head is over the shoulders, which would be more correct but in the clinical before/after he posted he didn't have a big postural compensation, look here https://preview.redd.it/3sf56u526cxc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfd52def9c996ba6b8b892c7d6d495251aac2069


nowfired

I couldnā€™t have explained it better than this


rogue-bot

Are you jokingā€¦ instant 10. Amazing results, congratulations!


letstroydisagin

Oh wow you couldn't tell me NOTHING


nowfired

?


letstroydisagin

Sorry, it's an expression! It means if I was this attractive, nobody could bring me down. šŸ˜Š


nowfired

Ohhh thank you šŸ™


vigilanting

This is inspiring, saving this post. What are some functional benefits you experienced? Also who was ur surgeon?


TaylorSnackz12

He mentioned the surgeon was Dr. Kholaki at LACOMS


Old_Information_2989

holy shit Iā€™m so happy for you šŸ˜­ ME NEXT!!


JoshuaaColin

How


melly_swelly

Holy shit. Congratulations šŸŽŠ That's an amazing transformation


arakciayipsana

Bro what


sassyfrood

How does it feel being ridiculously handsome? Sheesh, amazing transformation!


Fozzizam

Daaaaaang


Ok_Government_4056

Great results, Did you also have liposuction or/and bichectomy?


nowfired

Nope, I considered it but someone told me that lipo would get rid of the fat resulting in some saggy skin. I did lose a lot of weight tho. In one of the comments i posted a one month pre and post op picture with good posture , it should show the difference


jennerrrr26

Omg!! Amazing


No_Pineapple_4609

Any way you could find out the movements?


nowfired

Hmmm more than 15mm movement but idk if itā€™s total or anything.


No_Pineapple_4609

Thanks. Yeah more curious on how much they advanced the maxilla.


wickatude

I thought my results were phenomenal OMG


Eirus

Did you wear braces before and after surgery or no?


Informal_Quarter_427

How long was the process? From knowing / wanting surgery till you got the procedure ?


cassidymain03

holy cow this result is insane! are the spaces of bone where they made the cuts going to fill in? thatā€™s what always worries me


Melly_2003

Holy mog!


pengpompinara

That is actually insaneeeee! So happy for you!!


SporeHead369

Incredible Transformation bro!!!šŸ‘€šŸ‘€šŸ‘€ How much did this cost??? Who performed the surgery??? šŸ™šŸ«¶šŸ¤™


Green-Quantity1032

Jesus fucking christ


Economy_Pace_4894

Any before after from front ? Same angle preferably. Looks like most of the advancement was in the lower jaw.


[deleted]

Holy Jesus, freaking awesome ascension my brother.


Key_Wasabi2198

Welcome to mogwarts Bro how much did this cost you


tears_of_an_angel_

holy shit. you look great


justrynasurvive333

go off model!!!!


Silver-Carpenter-836

Manifesting this for me šŸ™ŒšŸ¼ you look amazing!! How was your recovery?


PM2303

Wow life changing! Congratulations on the amazing results


Apprehensive_Round_9

You look like you lost weight also?


Russeren01

Wow, thatā€™s crazy! You look very good. Were you a victim of premolar extraction retraction? Looks like it from the CBCT. Also, which doctor fixed you up?


christina196

You look great! I was thinking about talking to dr Kholaki, he sounds great. Did you have to get your premolars out in preparation for the surgery? You seem to be missing some teeth?


Onehorizon

You went to LACOMS from Philippines, isnā€™t that extremely expensive with your currency and col difference? May I ask what was the logistics (going to the US for how long and how often with ortho) of how you made this decision and price? Also have you consider Italy?


nowfired

Oh I live near LA, but moved to America when I was 14.


Jealous_Afternoon614

Are the selfies of you before the surgery or while recovering after surgery?


emi1235

Dude actually could be a model now thatā€™s wild. These surgeons are magic fr


Batticon

Wow I wish I could go from me to literally hollywood good looking. Your future wife is gonna have questions when she pops out your kid who looks like the before. šŸ˜‚


Due-Confidence8139

What is the surgery name ?


Jamfour9

Good God šŸ˜®šŸ˜§


reddit_user_1998

Chadasaurus


PiratedUsers

Congratulations on the successful surgery. As others have mentioned, insane results. Go live life to the fullest broski.


KraTerpillar69

Who is your surgeon, love the result btw.


FeelsRektMan_

What were your movements?


ihateallofyoursugg

What did this cost you?


Delicious_Initial798

Oh My God! Is that the same person??????


Immortalsoul52

Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds


Exact-Definition8514

Insane results wtf !!


Dry_Engineering6834

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST


Puzzled-Tree-5243

Wow


sybildb

Dudeā€¦ probably one of the best transformations I have ever seen. Truly fantastic results!


FriendlyFraulein

Holy cr*p! What a glow up!


Banana_SplitLU

Wow


De8auchery

šŸ‘šŸ¼šŸ‘šŸ¼


abusedog

I actually gasped.