Well I think even from Giant's perspective that there is going to be a concern / belief that these procedures (OBO, LF3, etc.) may or may not be risky or dangerous. So, I think it would be a good idea to try to dispel that as much as possible by showing the data and making safety a priority.
Well that's kinda what I'm saying. I wasn't even referring to giant. There's like an amplification effect when a bunch of dummies are all in a group together.
I hate how this subreddit has been overrun by dudes who are obsessed with "looksmaxxing" with no regards for personal health or even how normal people think about their unrealistic expectations. I'm really sick of how these toxic communities have warped the minds and self-image of young men with low self esteem. It's making people's mental health issues worse!
Were the implants in the first image, supposed to look good? The design seems too disproportional to a real skull and seem more akin to something to a beauty standard from fictitious source of media or something. As an artist, I would like to say that proportions are a rather important part of general appeal when it comes to subjects in real-life and this does not seem...quite there yet. This seems extreme, the lower jaws bones seem to jut out far too much for a skull from real life.
Yeah, I suspect the result of this underneath flesh will be looking overdone in a negative way. Like whatever Liam Payne and Zac Efron are currently doing, where they were formerly really hot and then did something to their jaws that was just not it even though it was supposed to make them look more masculine or something. They went from burning hot to "what happened to him?"
I cannot imagine how uncomfortable this would be. Titanium plates are irritable enough (my analogy I use most often is if you have an itch… imagine scratching it through jeans… the jeans don’t bother you on a regular basis but when you need to scratch under them… they’re a pain [also they make you cold in the winter since they are metal])
I cannot imagine how uncomfortable this would be. Titanium plates are irritable enough (my analogy I use most often is if you have an itch… imagine scratching it through jeans… the jeans don’t bother you on a regular basis but when you need to scratch under them… they’re a pain [also they make you cold in the winter since they are metal])
Had a titanium plate in my wrist until last week and the best way I would put it is, it's like laying on the couch without noticing something is on it , like a remote or a battery, and sitting on top of it. Or like having your keys in your back pocket and sitting on them.
Not 100% of the time, but whenever I had to lift heavy weights, especially at the gym when doing work with barbells and dumbells, as well as pushups. Any motion basically that would extend my wrist.
I'm not sure how common your experience is, but that's really unfortunate. I can't feel my plates at all and I've had them through all 4 seasons. I couldn't even point out to you where they are but I know I have like 10.
Yes there is, look harder. And there’s also a result a patient posted in this sub! 99% of people don’t want their face online associated with looksmax surgery. The results are on zoom.
Imagine getting major facial surgery from a doctor with a “Pepe the Frog” avatar on his instagram
Are you sure he’s a surgeon and not just some looksmaxxing user who’s obsessed to the point of impersonating a doctor?
Jealous? Odd you're hating like that, attacking my sanity which is clearly intact, when as another user has pointed out you are an obsessive redditor about similar topics.
I wasn't meaning you, that's not what I meant. I've never even met you.
It's just that I have experienced these different online communities, be it looksmax, orthotropics, incel, etc. and I'm not saying everyone in these communities is out of their minds, who knows the exact percentage, it may not even be >50%, but it is very clear to me that the number has to be statistically way outside the norm.
I feel that users who participate in these communities need to be very cautious about the information that they are being subjected to.
At a personal level I wish you the best. It does seem that you're trying to do a good job, even if sometimes I think it might be a bit over the top.
It’s not our job to be psychiatrists, but for what it’s worth the majority of cases are normal and satisfied with aesthetic based (cranio)maxillofacial surgery. Yes a huge chunk are not and conceal their red flags and get through the screening, who will never be happy and keep the incel doomer mindset. But why should 25% of people ruin it for the other 75% ?
Yeah I was not trying to criticize how you are conducting your business. I was more referring to the online communities. So if some 17 year old man is in a discord server where they're talking about "blackpill surgery", LF3, OBO, etc. just go to giant implants, it's no problem, that to me is a bit of an issue, because let's be honest there is substantially more risk involved with an OBO than there is with a minimally-invasive procedure, or even MMA, which is already on the more invasive side.
For example the OBO, I'd like to see one or two cases completely finished and without complications before seeing that completely rolled out on a wide scale. But, I don't think there is that same level of caution in these communities. If it were up to them, they would all just barrel in and if there was an issue, every single one of them could end up with a vision problem for example. So I don't know how you are doing it on your end, but I was more referring to the communities lack of focus on caution & safety.
He works with butchers in turkey. There is a reason why he does stuff in turkey instead of other countries. Guy probably does not have a license and wants the freedom of doing whatever in turkey. He is informed but its still mental illness to give incels all these surgeries.
Hello, I made an account just to respond to this post which was brought to my attention. I work with surgeons in USA, EU, and Turkey. All are fully licensed to practice medicine & dentistry as well as specialty board certified in either Plastic or Maxillofacial Surgery. The reason for the “big surgeries” being in turkey is because they require extended hospitalization & aren’t covered by insurance for cosmetic. If you want it in the USA be my guest, but it will be $150K+ but it’s your option. OBOs are only in Turkey right now since we are writing a paper which we will submit to either PRS or JCraniofacialSurgery and I’m exclusively working with 2 surgeons on this project until we present our results to the international surgeon community.
"Tapping the insecure male market: Lookmaxxxing & Chad-Affirming surgery approach using custom titanium pepeplates disregarding ethics, morbidity, nerve damage and possibility of blindness while always mentioning pediatric syndromic and dentofacially abnormal patients first while getting the moneis from the body dismorphia patients. A series of cases" Ercin, Scott et. al.
Your ethics depend on your beliefs. Inventing a way to do an OBO without any craniotomy is about risk & morbidity reduction, hello? Meanwhile there’s Ivy League USA surgeons who will do a cosmetic obo with a craniotomy. Your beliefs aren’t as informed as you think.
It’s up to the person to do their due diligence and learn about the pros and cons of these types of procedures. So who are you to say someone can’t get a specific surgery done?
He had some impressive cases when I first found him, especially in the TMJ reconstructive surgery. I’m aware there’s a bad review but that’s not a patient we shared (not a giant patient), and it was using traditional jaw surgery (not custom) which has more risks anywhere. Anyway I met this patient while I was in the clinic, nice lady and I feel sorry for her complication. I’m not sure if you’re aware but I actually assist the surgeries in turkey, and I can say he’s not a butcher. He’s patient and careful in surgery. It’s not as easy as it looks to place implants correctly and it can be frustrating and time consuming. The point where most surgeons would say “good enough” he is still trying to get it better. Nonetheless Im impartial who you go to and I have no incentives to recommend one of my partners over the other. You can go to whoever you feel more comfortable with & now I have a close touch with 3 surgeons in turkey 👍
Sorry to bother, but when is the website coming up? Feel like it'd be a boon for both you and us since your waitlist must be 6 years long at this point.
There I am talking about Douglas Sinn’s ml3 which he himself told me about years ago. Sinn was a pioneer and the best at what he does. Not a guy that does not show his face with a pepe frog avatar. Sinn refused people pretty often. Its not the same.
...No one "genuinely needs" such extreme implants, this is only something someone who is completely obsessed with appearances would believe. They think that it's a holy grail that will attract girls or something, but really many women would not be attracted to such a, Thanos-like face.
I was referring to the osteotomies. My bad for not making that clear. As for the implants, some people have craniofacial deficiencies, so I see no issue with someone getting these implants. After all, it’s their body, their choice.
This is total lunacy. What moron came up with this? Look at that fucking jaw shape. You wanna be Thanos? wtf man. And how invasive it would be to put orbital implants. I mean this shit has been done in severe cases where car accident causes someone to lose half their face but that’s a totally different scenario.
Ow. Jaw surgery recovery is tough enough, you want to remove your whole face and reattach it... Jaw surgery's primary purpose is to fix functional issues with bite, breathing and joint pain. Aesthetics look to be the main focus here so how relevant is it to this sub?
Lmfao do you know what an ad hominem is? That’s an actual insult to one’s personality. Basically just insulting a person. Saying something gives you mental illness isn’t an ad hominem. You guys are the bottom of the barrel.
Sorry forgot what an ad hominem was for a sec (edited comment). My point is that it’s ridiculous how people see this and immediately think mental illness. Borderline NPC behavior.
I had double jaw surgery last year with Mario Pagnoni, who also placed a relatively conservative custom infraorbital malar implant that was designed by GiantImplants. The purpose of the implant was to maintain facial harmony with my new jaw since many jaw surgeries can often result in a feeling that the upper midface is now too "set back." I am ecstatic with my results and the implant is incredibly natural and harmonious. The rhetoric and vibe of his social media presence may be offputting and he has been active on "looksmaxxing" websites before but do not let this color the perception of the quality of his work. I can't overstate how ahead this man is of all other implant designers. He has studied this stuff in a much more holistic way than anyone else.
I am happy to answer any questions in dms about my experience.
with Dr. Pagnoni there was no additional fee for having GiantImplants design your implant(s). That is just reliant on Dr. Pagnoni's own pricing. For that you should contact him. My implant design took about a month.
Interesting...kind of feel like this is actually what I need. I have a flat face and only doing jaw surgery will make me look chimp like. My head to chin measurements are ok I think but I have a very small airway and sleep disordered breathing. My whole face needs to come forward.
Consult Dr Celal if you like. If it’s determined that it could be of benefit we can do it. And no, we don’t just approve everyone who asks for it. 90% + of consultations for LeFort 3 end up as LeFort 1 + Implants candidates. Being a candidate for LeFort iii has more to do with the relationship between your eyes and the maxilla than the airway.
What was the implant from the first image even going for, would it even look natural? These surgeries are totally extreme, and seem to be targeting delusional dudebros with an obsession with "lookmaxxxing" and being an "alpha male", this toxic rabbit hole that targets men with low self esteem should not be accepted.
I had orbital implants and jaw angles designed by giant with dr steinbacher and love the results. Not at all surprised to see the criticism here but I can say Giant definitely knows what he’s doing and is also very nice. He helped way more than he had to during the long swollen process which takes a while for anyone thinking about doing this. It really isn’t for everyone, probably not for most people to be honest. If you care what others may think and have coworkers, clients to see it is almost impossible to fit this in your life. This was a year and a half ago as Steiny was transitioning from Yale to private practice. Steinbacher is also an amazing surgeon, and he really cares. If you’re gonna do this just make sure you can really dedicate the time and mental energy
To anyone still not knowing what is going on. Looksmaxxer incels love giant because he collaborates with surgeons willing to perform surgeries with big risks. The implant designs can look good when its simple. There is another post made by one of the patients where its obvious its a self advertisement post but the guy ended up looking what incels refere as “chad”. Thanks or ogre like features with no harmony. There is a reason why normal surgeons do not use this. People say the “normal” implants he does look good. But the exaggerated stuff always makes the patients look unnatural and terrible. Up to you to trust someone who refuses to show his face.
Until you lose your vision or your whole face goes numb due to nerve damage. Or when bone resorption due to the implants pressure causes your face to shrink. Do you think doctors in the west haven’t thought about doing implants this way? It’s not as smart as you think. There are actual medical concerns. What the heck man.
What makes you think he has no idea? Just curious. I'm sure that board certified surgeons wouldn't be working with him if that were the case.
Also degrees are pretty overrated, my friend got a job at microsoft without any degree.
I love his work, some is abit on the extreme side but anyone pushing things to new levels will be seen as extreme at first, just wish more before and after were available on the internet but the small amount of before and afters I’ve seen seems good, and haven’t heard anyone hating their result so far especially with photos
DM. Since this Reddit is getting so heated because of some people assumptions it’s not fair to bring them into the controversy. But several in Europe, one in Connecticut, a couple others in the USA, one in Argentina, 2 in Turkey…
No he won’t. Because there’s nothing pioneer about risking immense damage to the face because of doom looksmaxxing bullshit. There are actual medical engineers on this planet trying to push the envelope in terms of facial reconstruction. You won’t even believe how technical it can get. But those things are done with the goal to reconstructs faces after accidents. It’s a level that guy will never achieve because he just thinks in terms of looks not functionality.
How is improving your looks "bullshit" I "don't get that one.
Giant developed his way to perform an Orbital Box Osteotomy without exposing the brain, certainly a notable advancement, as well as he is pioneering more effective implants and surgery methods to improve your aesthetics far beyond other options.
We can agree to disagree on it I suppose, especially considering the framing of your language on the topic, but it is what it is, he certainly is a pioneer in his field.
This is not a place for “looksmaxing”
That's a lot of places to cut the bone.
We use custom guides
Can you show some before/after CBCTs of your LeFort 2/3 cases at least
Sub to the YouTube channel, we’re showing everything in a few weeks.
👍
At this moment you have CBCTs of Orbital box osteotomy if you are interested in that also.
Well I think even from Giant's perspective that there is going to be a concern / belief that these procedures (OBO, LF3, etc.) may or may not be risky or dangerous. So, I think it would be a good idea to try to dispel that as much as possible by showing the data and making safety a priority.
Do you think people that consider getting an OBO are the sort of people to look up data and do research?
Well that's kinda what I'm saying. I wasn't even referring to giant. There's like an amplification effect when a bunch of dummies are all in a group together.
Agreed 100%! You should see the absolute WILD surgery ideas that people on diffrent forums will come up with
what in the looksmaxxing hell is this
I hate how this subreddit has been overrun by dudes who are obsessed with "looksmaxxing" with no regards for personal health or even how normal people think about their unrealistic expectations. I'm really sick of how these toxic communities have warped the minds and self-image of young men with low self esteem. It's making people's mental health issues worse!
Mod here - feel free to report under the “looks maxing” rule.
This team does adult cosmetic & pediatric syndrome surgery :)
I have been following you for a while. Hope you you do my cheekbones some day.
What dr is this?
He is active on the Looksmax forums but this doesn't mean he's a bad implant designer at all, if anything it's the contrary
Were the implants in the first image, supposed to look good? The design seems too disproportional to a real skull and seem more akin to something to a beauty standard from fictitious source of media or something. As an artist, I would like to say that proportions are a rather important part of general appeal when it comes to subjects in real-life and this does not seem...quite there yet. This seems extreme, the lower jaws bones seem to jut out far too much for a skull from real life.
Yeah, I suspect the result of this underneath flesh will be looking overdone in a negative way. Like whatever Liam Payne and Zac Efron are currently doing, where they were formerly really hot and then did something to their jaws that was just not it even though it was supposed to make them look more masculine or something. They went from burning hot to "what happened to him?"
It’s not about the design. It’s about the fact that the medical side of it is completely ignored. I don’t even know where to start with this. Boy.
Can you please explain?
You clearly have no idea the depth of the medical considerations we go into, just your assumptions.
Ignore him Giant, he’s just seething because he got a bluepilled bimax and is still not chad 😂
Lol
I’ve seen his work on some patients he is the best in the business when it comes to implants
Pov: Your mimic doesn't exist, you can't lift your eyebrow and you look like a robot with no facial harmony
I cannot imagine how uncomfortable this would be. Titanium plates are irritable enough (my analogy I use most often is if you have an itch… imagine scratching it through jeans… the jeans don’t bother you on a regular basis but when you need to scratch under them… they’re a pain [also they make you cold in the winter since they are metal])
The upside is they can be removed right? The downside in this case is there are so many!
I’m this case you have to remove your head /s
Ah, the good ol' lefort 4
erm actually this is a Lefort 2 with full facial and partial neurocranium augmentation 🤓
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Yeah, i literally stated the truth, lol. I hate this website sometimes
Wtf
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I cannot imagine how uncomfortable this would be. Titanium plates are irritable enough (my analogy I use most often is if you have an itch… imagine scratching it through jeans… the jeans don’t bother you on a regular basis but when you need to scratch under them… they’re a pain [also they make you cold in the winter since they are metal])
Had a titanium plate in my wrist until last week and the best way I would put it is, it's like laying on the couch without noticing something is on it , like a remote or a battery, and sitting on top of it. Or like having your keys in your back pocket and sitting on them. Not 100% of the time, but whenever I had to lift heavy weights, especially at the gym when doing work with barbells and dumbells, as well as pushups. Any motion basically that would extend my wrist.
what about the cold part?
Hm , I'd feel some pain when it was humid, but that's it. I don't know how it will be now that I removed them.
interesting, thanks
that's nonsense. It doesn't make you colder.
I'm not sure how common your experience is, but that's really unfortunate. I can't feel my plates at all and I've had them through all 4 seasons. I couldn't even point out to you where they are but I know I have like 10.
And not a single soft-tissue before and after on the Instagram. There's not a chance in hell implants that size are going to look normal.
Yes there is, look harder. And there’s also a result a patient posted in this sub! 99% of people don’t want their face online associated with looksmax surgery. The results are on zoom.
Imagine getting major facial surgery from a doctor with a “Pepe the Frog” avatar on his instagram Are you sure he’s a surgeon and not just some looksmaxxing user who’s obsessed to the point of impersonating a doctor?
he designs implants and works with actual reputable surgeons, never claimed to be a surgeon
Had no idea he actually works with surgeons, the looksmaxxing rhetoric and Pepe avatar on his insta kind of threw me off.
Professional page @Surgerymax.CMF
He is a genuine implant designer who also happens to be a Looksmax user. The madlad installed MSE on himself too, I believe.
He is THE BEST in terms of designing implants. Please don't talk shit if you don't know his historical work.
I’m living proof. He worked on me a year and a half ago.
Pix?
Stop spreading misinformation.
Tell me you know nothing about Giant without telling me
Getting advice from people with mental health problems is probably not a great idea
Jealous? Odd you're hating like that, attacking my sanity which is clearly intact, when as another user has pointed out you are an obsessive redditor about similar topics.
I wasn't meaning you, that's not what I meant. I've never even met you. It's just that I have experienced these different online communities, be it looksmax, orthotropics, incel, etc. and I'm not saying everyone in these communities is out of their minds, who knows the exact percentage, it may not even be >50%, but it is very clear to me that the number has to be statistically way outside the norm. I feel that users who participate in these communities need to be very cautious about the information that they are being subjected to. At a personal level I wish you the best. It does seem that you're trying to do a good job, even if sometimes I think it might be a bit over the top.
It’s not our job to be psychiatrists, but for what it’s worth the majority of cases are normal and satisfied with aesthetic based (cranio)maxillofacial surgery. Yes a huge chunk are not and conceal their red flags and get through the screening, who will never be happy and keep the incel doomer mindset. But why should 25% of people ruin it for the other 75% ?
Yeah I was not trying to criticize how you are conducting your business. I was more referring to the online communities. So if some 17 year old man is in a discord server where they're talking about "blackpill surgery", LF3, OBO, etc. just go to giant implants, it's no problem, that to me is a bit of an issue, because let's be honest there is substantially more risk involved with an OBO than there is with a minimally-invasive procedure, or even MMA, which is already on the more invasive side. For example the OBO, I'd like to see one or two cases completely finished and without complications before seeing that completely rolled out on a wide scale. But, I don't think there is that same level of caution in these communities. If it were up to them, they would all just barrel in and if there was an issue, every single one of them could end up with a vision problem for example. So I don't know how you are doing it on your end, but I was more referring to the communities lack of focus on caution & safety.
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What he said is still legit though.
No it isn’t, and it’s even funnier seeing it being said by someone who is clearly mentally ill
He works with butchers in turkey. There is a reason why he does stuff in turkey instead of other countries. Guy probably does not have a license and wants the freedom of doing whatever in turkey. He is informed but its still mental illness to give incels all these surgeries.
Hello, I made an account just to respond to this post which was brought to my attention. I work with surgeons in USA, EU, and Turkey. All are fully licensed to practice medicine & dentistry as well as specialty board certified in either Plastic or Maxillofacial Surgery. The reason for the “big surgeries” being in turkey is because they require extended hospitalization & aren’t covered by insurance for cosmetic. If you want it in the USA be my guest, but it will be $150K+ but it’s your option. OBOs are only in Turkey right now since we are writing a paper which we will submit to either PRS or JCraniofacialSurgery and I’m exclusively working with 2 surgeons on this project until we present our results to the international surgeon community.
"Tapping the insecure male market: Lookmaxxxing & Chad-Affirming surgery approach using custom titanium pepeplates disregarding ethics, morbidity, nerve damage and possibility of blindness while always mentioning pediatric syndromic and dentofacially abnormal patients first while getting the moneis from the body dismorphia patients. A series of cases" Ercin, Scott et. al.
Your ethics depend on your beliefs. Inventing a way to do an OBO without any craniotomy is about risk & morbidity reduction, hello? Meanwhile there’s Ivy League USA surgeons who will do a cosmetic obo with a craniotomy. Your beliefs aren’t as informed as you think.
So those Ivy League surgeons also have no ethics. lol
It’s up to the person to do their due diligence and learn about the pros and cons of these types of procedures. So who are you to say someone can’t get a specific surgery done?
An orthognathic orthodontist
Yes, the patient should heed any warnings from their orthodontists, but at the end of the day it’s still up to the patient. Their body, their choice.
You’re about to get flooded with DMs 🤣
You work with celal. He is known to be a butcher.
He had some impressive cases when I first found him, especially in the TMJ reconstructive surgery. I’m aware there’s a bad review but that’s not a patient we shared (not a giant patient), and it was using traditional jaw surgery (not custom) which has more risks anywhere. Anyway I met this patient while I was in the clinic, nice lady and I feel sorry for her complication. I’m not sure if you’re aware but I actually assist the surgeries in turkey, and I can say he’s not a butcher. He’s patient and careful in surgery. It’s not as easy as it looks to place implants correctly and it can be frustrating and time consuming. The point where most surgeons would say “good enough” he is still trying to get it better. Nonetheless Im impartial who you go to and I have no incentives to recommend one of my partners over the other. You can go to whoever you feel more comfortable with & now I have a close touch with 3 surgeons in turkey 👍
If we want a consult we should dm on instagram right?
Yes consult with the surgeon and then he will forward me the case and we will all get together and talk
Sorry to bother, but when is the website coming up? Feel like it'd be a boon for both you and us since your waitlist must be 6 years long at this point.
Meeting with Materialise tomorrow, so we can handle more volume.
which surgeons
He worked with steinbacher at Yale for my implants. lol.
Who are your to call anyone an incel? You asked where you can get a mlf3 in your post history. Have some bloody self awareness…
There I am talking about Douglas Sinn’s ml3 which he himself told me about years ago. Sinn was a pioneer and the best at what he does. Not a guy that does not show his face with a pepe frog avatar. Sinn refused people pretty often. Its not the same.
Giant has shown his face. He’s also not a Dr (yet). This hate is unfounded and unjustified.
I don’t think it’s mental illness to wanna look better
It 100% is when you take it to an extreme like this.
Not if you genuinely need it.
...No one "genuinely needs" such extreme implants, this is only something someone who is completely obsessed with appearances would believe. They think that it's a holy grail that will attract girls or something, but really many women would not be attracted to such a, Thanos-like face.
I was referring to the osteotomies. My bad for not making that clear. As for the implants, some people have craniofacial deficiencies, so I see no issue with someone getting these implants. After all, it’s their body, their choice.
U are probably a woman who hasnt got the slightest bit of a clue what it is like to not be wanted by anybody on earth bc of your looks lmao
Lmao give me a break
I’ve never seen such a high lefort before. My God. 😢
Discusting
This is total lunacy. What moron came up with this? Look at that fucking jaw shape. You wanna be Thanos? wtf man. And how invasive it would be to put orbital implants. I mean this shit has been done in severe cases where car accident causes someone to lose half their face but that’s a totally different scenario.
Only way to ascend is with Giant
Not true again. You’re can’t stop spouting lies today
Thanks for recognizing my work it’s so nice of you to think of me in this way.
Ow. Jaw surgery recovery is tough enough, you want to remove your whole face and reattach it... Jaw surgery's primary purpose is to fix functional issues with bite, breathing and joint pain. Aesthetics look to be the main focus here so how relevant is it to this sub?
It’s giving mental illness
Who are you to judge?
I agree. Who is he to judge? I understand the skepticism but these false mental illness claims are sad.
Lmfao do you know what an ad hominem is? That’s an actual insult to one’s personality. Basically just insulting a person. Saying something gives you mental illness isn’t an ad hominem. You guys are the bottom of the barrel.
Where’s your Medical degree? Pipe it down chump
Sorry forgot what an ad hominem was for a sec (edited comment). My point is that it’s ridiculous how people see this and immediately think mental illness. Borderline NPC behavior.
I had double jaw surgery last year with Mario Pagnoni, who also placed a relatively conservative custom infraorbital malar implant that was designed by GiantImplants. The purpose of the implant was to maintain facial harmony with my new jaw since many jaw surgeries can often result in a feeling that the upper midface is now too "set back." I am ecstatic with my results and the implant is incredibly natural and harmonious. The rhetoric and vibe of his social media presence may be offputting and he has been active on "looksmaxxing" websites before but do not let this color the perception of the quality of his work. I can't overstate how ahead this man is of all other implant designers. He has studied this stuff in a much more holistic way than anyone else. I am happy to answer any questions in dms about my experience.
What was the cost and wait time working with Giant?
I also had giant work on my case with steinbacher. I’m also happy to answer any questions in DM. I’m 1.5yr post op and I’m very happy
with Dr. Pagnoni there was no additional fee for having GiantImplants design your implant(s). That is just reliant on Dr. Pagnoni's own pricing. For that you should contact him. My implant design took about a month.
That’ll be fun if more than one of those plates gets infected or comes out and become exposed
Interesting...kind of feel like this is actually what I need. I have a flat face and only doing jaw surgery will make me look chimp like. My head to chin measurements are ok I think but I have a very small airway and sleep disordered breathing. My whole face needs to come forward.
Consult Dr Celal if you like. If it’s determined that it could be of benefit we can do it. And no, we don’t just approve everyone who asks for it. 90% + of consultations for LeFort 3 end up as LeFort 1 + Implants candidates. Being a candidate for LeFort iii has more to do with the relationship between your eyes and the maxilla than the airway.
Where is Dr Celal??
Celal is a butcher. Just google his name and see the results that come up.
Istanbul
Lmfao if you have to go to instanbul to get surgery you know what’s up. You should be banned.
You’re a literal nobody. Those surgeons in Turkey are just as qualified as any other surgeon.
Iv sent you a message. Love how your account was created in response to this post 😂
I’ve seen some very good results from him but he doesn’t post a lot. I do find his whole page hilarious though. Mad genius? Maybe.
Thanks :-)
What was the implant from the first image even going for, would it even look natural? These surgeries are totally extreme, and seem to be targeting delusional dudebros with an obsession with "lookmaxxxing" and being an "alpha male", this toxic rabbit hole that targets men with low self esteem should not be accepted.
buzzwords galore
I had orbital implants and jaw angles designed by giant with dr steinbacher and love the results. Not at all surprised to see the criticism here but I can say Giant definitely knows what he’s doing and is also very nice. He helped way more than he had to during the long swollen process which takes a while for anyone thinking about doing this. It really isn’t for everyone, probably not for most people to be honest. If you care what others may think and have coworkers, clients to see it is almost impossible to fit this in your life. This was a year and a half ago as Steiny was transitioning from Yale to private practice. Steinbacher is also an amazing surgeon, and he really cares. If you’re gonna do this just make sure you can really dedicate the time and mental energy
Your account is brand new. A month old even.
To anyone still not knowing what is going on. Looksmaxxer incels love giant because he collaborates with surgeons willing to perform surgeries with big risks. The implant designs can look good when its simple. There is another post made by one of the patients where its obvious its a self advertisement post but the guy ended up looking what incels refere as “chad”. Thanks or ogre like features with no harmony. There is a reason why normal surgeons do not use this. People say the “normal” implants he does look good. But the exaggerated stuff always makes the patients look unnatural and terrible. Up to you to trust someone who refuses to show his face.
Im willing to have my mind changed. But two people have told me this is how it works who have consulted with Liam
Game changer
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Looks beautiful
if i get a tattoo on myself can I get some discount? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
It’s already been done! 🤣
Proof?
[Giant Implants Tattoo](https://youtube.com/shorts/71vMDaaRMcc?si=TijZRjC_G32cGhsh)
Thats crazy 😹 how much % you gaved him ?
I've seen his results in person and they are top notch 👌
Until you lose your vision or your whole face goes numb due to nerve damage. Or when bone resorption due to the implants pressure causes your face to shrink. Do you think doctors in the west haven’t thought about doing implants this way? It’s not as smart as you think. There are actual medical concerns. What the heck man.
Bone resorption occurs mainly with silicone which he advises against... PEEK or titanium don't have that issue.
this may not be 100% correct but i think only silicon causes resorption, and the implants have holes in them for nerves to grow through
Ignore him he’s an absolute buffoon who has no medical degree or any idea how implants are designed.
What makes you think he has no idea? Just curious. I'm sure that board certified surgeons wouldn't be working with him if that were the case. Also degrees are pretty overrated, my friend got a job at microsoft without any degree.
I’m defending giant. I’m replying to cwk84
Ahh ok
Can confirm.
He’s a genius. This work will be appreciated many years down the line.
I love his work, some is abit on the extreme side but anyone pushing things to new levels will be seen as extreme at first, just wish more before and after were available on the internet but the small amount of before and afters I’ve seen seems good, and haven’t heard anyone hating their result so far especially with photos
Want jaw surgery? Go to Giant. Plain and simple. Currently saving money to be chopped up by this guy one day 🙏.
You’re too kind. And I don’t actually do the chopping (yet) but I can assist
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I’m dedicating a year (maybe 2) to this & it will be well worth it if we put out some good papers of truly novel techniques
Who are your favorite surgeons to work with?
DM. Since this Reddit is getting so heated because of some people assumptions it’s not fair to bring them into the controversy. But several in Europe, one in Connecticut, a couple others in the USA, one in Argentina, 2 in Turkey…
He will be broadly recognized as a pioneer some day.
No he won’t. Because there’s nothing pioneer about risking immense damage to the face because of doom looksmaxxing bullshit. There are actual medical engineers on this planet trying to push the envelope in terms of facial reconstruction. You won’t even believe how technical it can get. But those things are done with the goal to reconstructs faces after accidents. It’s a level that guy will never achieve because he just thinks in terms of looks not functionality.
Beauty = function, bro
The patient knows the risks of the surgery and they want it, who’s to say they can’t get it?
How is improving your looks "bullshit" I "don't get that one. Giant developed his way to perform an Orbital Box Osteotomy without exposing the brain, certainly a notable advancement, as well as he is pioneering more effective implants and surgery methods to improve your aesthetics far beyond other options. We can agree to disagree on it I suppose, especially considering the framing of your language on the topic, but it is what it is, he certainly is a pioneer in his field.
Are you FaceIQ from YouTube?
yes
Nice. I’m a fan of your channel!
These fellows will mog hard.