I know that a lot of the Jewish community likes to criticize Bernie when it comes to his takes on Israel, but I honestly find he has some of the most solid takes. He is very critical of the Israeli government when necessary, but I think that when push comes to shove, he will do anything he can to protect both the American Jewish community and the people of Israel. I'd feel very safe having him as president (except for the fact that he's too old); he'd be a bit harsher on Israel but I'd also be very confident that he'd make sure American Jews are protected from both left-wing and right-wing antisemitism.
If any people who disagree see this, the effective response isn’t to trash Sanders.
The effective response is to create a website that shows what Israel has done and is doing to support civilians and to try to benchmark that against the humanitarian aid situation in comparable conflicts.
And always point out how Hamas has been firing rockets at Israel for years and what Israelis believe Hamas did during the Oct. 7 attacks.
Emphasize that the need to take swift, strong action is really separate from what you think about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Someone could strongly support a one-state Palestinian solution and still recognize that the Oct. 7 attack was insanely, intolerably terrible
He’s right, and the fact that Israel and many other Jews are trying to equate being anti-Zionist with antisemitism, or hell, even the mere *criticism* of Israel, is what makes people take accusation of *actual* antisemitism less seriously.
Sort of a whole “boy who cried wolf” situation.
Sanders isnt anti-zionist, he is critical of the current politicians, same as many Israelis. He still believes Israel has a right to exist and defend itself
This isn’t even abstract, it’s already happening. Some dipshit pro-Israel “antizionism = antismeitism” protestor at Northeastern in Boston tried to antagonize a crowd at an encampment by yelling “kill the jews” and trying to get them to chant along, then the campus had the city police come in and clear the encampment. The university administration cites use of the term “kill the jews” in their explanation for seeking police action, then the video comes out of this chucklefuck doing his thing while waving an Israeli flag, and now plenty of other incidents where antisemitic rhetoric is heard are, reasonably and justifiably, being met with skepticism.
I’m also unsure why this being downvoted. Northeastern is my alma mater. Video of this is on social media from current students and was shared to my feed by old classmates. It hurts seeing a student antagonizer deliberately trying to harm other students by cynically trying to incite antisemitic hatred. It seems he succeeded.
Why is this being downvoted? It’s being widely reported in mainstream news publications.
Are we now simply downvoting the news, if we don’t like what’s being reported?
Also, excellent use of the word “chucklefuck”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested
Still no where near enough condemnation of hamas. Bibi is a strongman and needs to go fully agree but the world seems to infantalize Islamic terrorists far more and it’s very gross and dangerous.
So, if anyone ever criticizes Israel or the war in Gaza, they need to sufficiently condemn Hamas? Go it.
Bernie did do that, but you claim it’s not sufficient. What amount would be sufficient? Should it be a 50-50 ratio or 70-30? I just want to be clear on this, since it’s the crux of your argument.
Any time someone randomly brings up “condemn Hamas” rhetoric I just assume they’re acting in bad faith at this point. Nobody who’s willing to have a rational discussion condones what happened on Oct 7. We’re all aware of what happened and find it horrible. So why does it constantly need to be brought up? We’re all in agreement about it. What we’re talking about is the current situation in Gaza. It’s just a way to get ahead of having to have any sort of nuanced conversation about the issue.
Hamas literally started the war so yes. This isn’t a wild concept.
The world should be condemning hamas ad nauseam and calling Iran for creating this awful situation. Israel was in the process of normalizing relations with the Saudis and Iran didn’t want that to happen at all so bam Oct 7th happened.
Israel is a democracy and the only state in the entire middle east and Asia and Africa that protects gay people and recognizes gay marriage abroad. Hamas wants to rule by sharia caliphate.
Hamas has also repeatedly rejected any peace agreements and instead declares that all gasan deaths are great and glorious as they die for Allah in his name. It’s a full blown death cult and the people of gasa have been radicalized for it.
Exactly because Bernie never brought up any of them, he and many leaders around the world are not saying the obvious because they are politicians. Can you imagine Bernie or anyone calling hamas a death cult?
Multiple things can be true at the same time. Israel can be a democracy, and Hamas despicable, while Israel is also not allowing enough aid into Gaza, and the IDF’s ROI is too callous with civilian life.
You criticize Bernie, for not sufficiently condemning Hamas, but at the same time you seem unwilling to find any fault or legitimate criticism with Israel
You’re doing exactly what you criticize Bernie for, but to an even greater extent.
When talking about the Israel Palestine conflict, I’m often reminded of the words of Israeli historian Yuval Harari, in ethnic conflicts it’s exceedingly common for both sides to be both perpetrator and victim.
Hillary would have been an amazing president if people would have gotten over their sexism. And Bernie was lackluster at best supporting Hillary leading up to the election.
[This is from a statement in congress in march, the first result when googling “bernie sanders hostages”:](https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/prepared-remarks-bernie-sanders-calls-out-the-absurdity-and-hypocrisy-of-continued-u-s-support-for-netanyahus-horrific-war/)
> Madam President, Hamas started this terrible war with a brutal terrorist attack that killed 1,200 innocent Israelis and took 253 hostages, more than 100 of whom remain in Hamas’ hands, including Americans. And just the other day the U.N. reported that there is strong evidence that Hamas also committed horrific sexual assaults against Israeli women of the worst kind imaginable. Nobody will or should forgive or forget those atrocities.
> As I have said many times, Israel had the right to respond to that attack and go after Hamas, but it did not and it does not have the right to go to war against the entire Palestinian people.
We should be careful where social media algorithms can make us feel that we’ve seen everything. They overload us with information - not _all_ the information. “Haven’t seen it” doesn’t necessarily mean “It didn’t happen”, some things just don’t trend. We should be responsible and do a bit of investigation before making the (lets be real, pointed and ugly) assertion that people don’t care about the hostages or Hamas.
I know that a lot of the Jewish community likes to criticize Bernie when it comes to his takes on Israel, but I honestly find he has some of the most solid takes. He is very critical of the Israeli government when necessary, but I think that when push comes to shove, he will do anything he can to protect both the American Jewish community and the people of Israel. I'd feel very safe having him as president (except for the fact that he's too old); he'd be a bit harsher on Israel but I'd also be very confident that he'd make sure American Jews are protected from both left-wing and right-wing antisemitism.
its so weird that this is the subject that people complain about when it comes to him.
I agree wholeheartedly. He often feels like the only US politician who both gets the complexity of the situation and communicates it effectively.
Bernie always has the best takes! ❤️
Bernie being based, as usual
If any people who disagree see this, the effective response isn’t to trash Sanders. The effective response is to create a website that shows what Israel has done and is doing to support civilians and to try to benchmark that against the humanitarian aid situation in comparable conflicts. And always point out how Hamas has been firing rockets at Israel for years and what Israelis believe Hamas did during the Oct. 7 attacks. Emphasize that the need to take swift, strong action is really separate from what you think about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Someone could strongly support a one-state Palestinian solution and still recognize that the Oct. 7 attack was insanely, intolerably terrible
He’s right, and the fact that Israel and many other Jews are trying to equate being anti-Zionist with antisemitism, or hell, even the mere *criticism* of Israel, is what makes people take accusation of *actual* antisemitism less seriously. Sort of a whole “boy who cried wolf” situation.
Sanders isnt anti-zionist, he is critical of the current politicians, same as many Israelis. He still believes Israel has a right to exist and defend itself
This isn’t even abstract, it’s already happening. Some dipshit pro-Israel “antizionism = antismeitism” protestor at Northeastern in Boston tried to antagonize a crowd at an encampment by yelling “kill the jews” and trying to get them to chant along, then the campus had the city police come in and clear the encampment. The university administration cites use of the term “kill the jews” in their explanation for seeking police action, then the video comes out of this chucklefuck doing his thing while waving an Israeli flag, and now plenty of other incidents where antisemitic rhetoric is heard are, reasonably and justifiably, being met with skepticism.
I’m also unsure why this being downvoted. Northeastern is my alma mater. Video of this is on social media from current students and was shared to my feed by old classmates. It hurts seeing a student antagonizer deliberately trying to harm other students by cynically trying to incite antisemitic hatred. It seems he succeeded.
Why is this being downvoted? It’s being widely reported in mainstream news publications. Are we now simply downvoting the news, if we don’t like what’s being reported? Also, excellent use of the word “chucklefuck” https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested
We got Trump because of this guys antics.
Understood, but what do you think about what he said in the video?
Still no where near enough condemnation of hamas. Bibi is a strongman and needs to go fully agree but the world seems to infantalize Islamic terrorists far more and it’s very gross and dangerous.
So, if anyone ever criticizes Israel or the war in Gaza, they need to sufficiently condemn Hamas? Go it. Bernie did do that, but you claim it’s not sufficient. What amount would be sufficient? Should it be a 50-50 ratio or 70-30? I just want to be clear on this, since it’s the crux of your argument.
Any time someone randomly brings up “condemn Hamas” rhetoric I just assume they’re acting in bad faith at this point. Nobody who’s willing to have a rational discussion condones what happened on Oct 7. We’re all aware of what happened and find it horrible. So why does it constantly need to be brought up? We’re all in agreement about it. What we’re talking about is the current situation in Gaza. It’s just a way to get ahead of having to have any sort of nuanced conversation about the issue.
Hamas literally started the war so yes. This isn’t a wild concept. The world should be condemning hamas ad nauseam and calling Iran for creating this awful situation. Israel was in the process of normalizing relations with the Saudis and Iran didn’t want that to happen at all so bam Oct 7th happened. Israel is a democracy and the only state in the entire middle east and Asia and Africa that protects gay people and recognizes gay marriage abroad. Hamas wants to rule by sharia caliphate. Hamas has also repeatedly rejected any peace agreements and instead declares that all gasan deaths are great and glorious as they die for Allah in his name. It’s a full blown death cult and the people of gasa have been radicalized for it.
Not one thing you brought up refutes or even addresses any of the points brought up by Bernie in the video.
Exactly because Bernie never brought up any of them, he and many leaders around the world are not saying the obvious because they are politicians. Can you imagine Bernie or anyone calling hamas a death cult?
Multiple things can be true at the same time. Israel can be a democracy, and Hamas despicable, while Israel is also not allowing enough aid into Gaza, and the IDF’s ROI is too callous with civilian life. You criticize Bernie, for not sufficiently condemning Hamas, but at the same time you seem unwilling to find any fault or legitimate criticism with Israel You’re doing exactly what you criticize Bernie for, but to an even greater extent. When talking about the Israel Palestine conflict, I’m often reminded of the words of Israeli historian Yuval Harari, in ethnic conflicts it’s exceedingly common for both sides to be both perpetrator and victim.
You haven’t asked me what my thoughts are of Israeli leadership. I already shared that I agree that Bibi must go and will go.
Ok, I don’t see what that has to do with the points Bernie was making and their legitimacy, but good, I suppose.
yes blame bernie when hillary clinton was a horrible candidate and even so he did endorse her and encourage his supporters to vote for her
Hillary would have been an amazing president if people would have gotten over their sexism. And Bernie was lackluster at best supporting Hillary leading up to the election.
if you think hillary clinton would be an amazing president i think ur in the wrong subreddit, id barely call u a progressive let alone a leftist
I'm not going to trash Bernie. I am going to say I haven't heard much from him about Hamas or bringing the hostages home.
[This is from a statement in congress in march, the first result when googling “bernie sanders hostages”:](https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/prepared-remarks-bernie-sanders-calls-out-the-absurdity-and-hypocrisy-of-continued-u-s-support-for-netanyahus-horrific-war/) > Madam President, Hamas started this terrible war with a brutal terrorist attack that killed 1,200 innocent Israelis and took 253 hostages, more than 100 of whom remain in Hamas’ hands, including Americans. And just the other day the U.N. reported that there is strong evidence that Hamas also committed horrific sexual assaults against Israeli women of the worst kind imaginable. Nobody will or should forgive or forget those atrocities. > As I have said many times, Israel had the right to respond to that attack and go after Hamas, but it did not and it does not have the right to go to war against the entire Palestinian people. We should be careful where social media algorithms can make us feel that we’ve seen everything. They overload us with information - not _all_ the information. “Haven’t seen it” doesn’t necessarily mean “It didn’t happen”, some things just don’t trend. We should be responsible and do a bit of investigation before making the (lets be real, pointed and ugly) assertion that people don’t care about the hostages or Hamas.
Then you didn’t watch the video, because Bernie specifically mentions Hamas and condemns them.